Sig Sauer P210 1000 Round Review
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- The p210 is a single action 9mm pistol developed by the Swiss in the 1940s and still to this day considered to be one of the finest military pistols every put into service.
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I will always love old school all metal pistols.
I'm a 1911 Sig guy, love those guns,. Bought a p210 and was amazed at the accuracy of this pistol. Excellent craftsmanship, great Gun not a doubt...
Also was amazed by it's accuracy - got good groupings at 25 yards. I didn't believe it so went to the range the next day to confirm it. Most accurate gun I've ever shot and yes I done own several CZ's.
It excelles at being a great pistol. Not everything needs a crazy serious purpose.
The vast majority of guns are range toys.
It's my favorite range toy and I have a safe full of guns!@@ironmonkey1512
The serious purpose is how alot of us justify our purchase lol
100% agreed that if they made this doublestack itd sell like hot cakes. I'd be buying one for sure.
It needs the "2011" treatment. Yes.
It seems nuts that the carry version is also single stack.
@@mrfrosty3 a carry version of this makes no sense what so ever.
Love to see younger shooters rediscover classics like the P210.
Yet another honest and terrific video. Very timely as Sig is coming out with a 210 Carry. Thanks again.
For some reason I love the looks of the P 210. Great video, enjoyed it brother.
I have a beretta 92x and I thought that was the sexiest pistol but I think this one takes the cake for real, just so damn clean
Stop! I'm an impulse buyer!
This 😂🤣😂🤣
Where's that ATM to make that impulse buy?
Damn me too.
IMHO, visually one of the most sexy handguns out there.
I bought one last March. It is pure joy to shoot !
Have the target version. Love it. Just feels great in hand. I shoot my TSO and Shadow 2 better but there is something special about the P210.
I had the chance to handle one of these recently because one was put on consignment at the shop I work at. I’m not an Sig fan but if this shoots as good as it feels I’m sure it’s incredible. Great ergos, excellent triggers, very nice sights and amazing build quality the slide is the most buttery smooth that I can ever remember racking. Would love to try one out at the range
Crazy seeing this review come up, as I just saw one at my local gun shop (same state as Honest Outlaw) and had no idea what it was. I was also surprised to find out it was a Sign, given the low bore axis. Interesting gun, great review!
Watching this a year later, great synopsis. Still... beautiful
Too funny, what timing sir! I spent 2 hours on the range with one of these today. Came in tonight to watch a couple videos and here was this video! I drove this on a dueling tree at 45 feet with 6 inch plates. This was my first time out with it and it ran very well, accuracy is awesome and speed is excellent due to bore axis and weight. Home run on this updated model!!!!! I'm old enough to struggle with any sights that don't use a brass bead or light pipe. Regardless, this damn thing was delivering the vast majority of the rounds to center mass on those plates but I agree with your analysis, I would prefer a brass bead front sight. What a nice piece of equipment. Thanks for what you do on this channel, I enjoy the way you present!
We'll probably start seeing more P210 accessories when Sig gets the carry model on the market.
Is Sig offering a carry model on this gun? That’d be the first time.
Mike Dee they had a pre production one at shot show. 4” barrel, aluminum frame, and g10 grips. It’s supposed to come out sometime this year.
Mike Dee tfb has a video on it
John Kleinfelter thanks, I’ll hunt it down. Is it really a P210 if it has an aluminum frame? What’s next, a striker fired P210? LOL.
Phillip Abreu thanks!
Great points - Double stack, Optic Cut, alloy frame... woah. As an owner of a vintage p210, that'll be something special.
I purchased a Target model, then went to Hogue's website and purchased Cocobolo checkered standard grips. Pistol now looks just like the standard, but with target sights and front slide serrations. Still just as shootable, but a little more carry-able.
That sounds hot
Well played - I hate those super fat Nill grips.
The go to channel for gun reviews, period.
Awesome pistol son!! Great review as always!!
I absolutely love love love this gun. I been a Deputy for almost 20 years. I have shot every single type of duty handgun there is. I instantly fell for this. What an amazing firearm.
I'm praying I can somehow buy a 210 Carry model. But so far I'm having no luck finding one. So i just might buy a base 210. My local place has 210s for 950 with a police discount. So I might have to pull it.
Mind you I have not watched your review yet. So I hope me and you are on the same page
The front and rear sights on the standard models are interchangeable with any Sig dove tail sights #6 front #8 back so lots of aftermarket sights available also g10 makes some really nice more aggressive grips and a touch longer than the wood
Haha... everyone wants Sig to turn this thing into a tactical sports orange!... would sell like hot cakes.
Great vid HO. When I worked for Sig as an instructor/armorer, plus my shop/range was the Canadian national distributor back in the early and mid 2000s, I got the opportunity to buy a new one plus a used military/LE trade back from the factory in Europe. My used one I've put about 4k or so through, not a ton, but enough, and the thing shoots darts. SO accurate, benchrest at 25m and even 50m are hilariously accurate. Great little range Pew Pew, obviously not the best field weapon, but it'd do in a pinch I guess. Both of mine are the target model, I've never used this model with those sights - good luck finding a mount/new sights, be real interested to see your results with a small MOA red dot. Pew Pew!!
I held a target model a couple of weeks back at my range. Ergos are really nice but the capacity. You’re right. So much right to have that weird limitation.
Class. Class is what it excels at.
The original design of this gun was a double stack, the swiss wanted a single stack...
Womp Womp!
I’m sure they made a few double stack, but no the vast majority were single stack
Not quite. SIG developed two versions of the gun. The single stack 44/8 and the double stack 44/16.
The Swiss Armed Forces demanded a capacity of at least 8 rounds, preferably more. However, due to the lack of communication between the Army and SIG, the company couldn't rely on the 44/16 being selected as the next service weapon, so SIG started to look for other buyers. SIG proceeded to apply to the Swedish Military, and they preferred the single stack 44/8 over the double stack 44/16 and thus, SIG dropped the double stack version and proceeded to develop the single stack version into the 47/8-Model. However, Sweden didn't adopt the 47/8 in the end anyway.
When the Swiss Army, still preferring the double stack version, finally came around a couple of years later (around '48), SIG no longer had any double stack versions to ready to submit and because the 47/8 still fulfilled the minimum requirement of 8 rounds, the Army cut their losses and adopted the 47/8 as the Pistole 49. And from there, any other P210 variant was derived.
In short: The Swiss wanted a double stack, but were not decisive enough. Sweden wanted a single stack and that's what we got.
Sergej Izotov
Well if you want to split hairs, you are not exactly correct...
th-cam.com/video/HTi0ewSrQiY/w-d-xo.html
Yes, it seems like such an odd decision not to select the double stack. I think Ian on Forgotten Weapons said the trial was carried out by a gun club at the time and they preferred the slimmer grip. A carry model with double stack would be great but they are sticking to original capacity for that too.
@@failure2flinch876 I am actually correct. My information is based on the book by E. Armbruster and W. Kessler. "Begegnungen mit einer Legende" (page 34/35 to be exact), which is widely regarded as the best and most complete book about the P210 development and all it's variants. The video you referenced is a rare occasion of Ian being objectively wrong.
I agree with the double stack statement,i know i would love to purchase a P210 double stack.
It’s a handgun for people that know how to shoot and can get the job done with a single stack mag. For me no problem I will take the target model.
Haven’t been here this early in a while.
Great videos. Keep 'em coming! Also, could you do a top 10 .45 cal handgun vid? That'd be awesome!
Hey Outlaw
Given all the downsides of the p210 as noted...its still a P210!!! Its a gun buff gun. When you pick it up and feel the heft and fit and finish. Its as good as any handgun can get...you're a great shooter.
Been on my wishlish for a while now. They're just SO slick
I bought this pistol the SIG P210 Standard 2 weeks ago. I ordered the Fiberoptic Tritium front sight directly from sig and 3 more magazines. I plan on getting G10 grips and Metal +1 base plate extensions from Armory Craft. And yes I will conceal carry this gun. Custom leather thumb break pancake style holster. Also custom leather double magazine holder for weak side carry.
Own one of these - you can put any P series sights on the gun (confirmed with Sig customer service). Bought 226/229 Trijicon fiber optics and it runs amazing. Also added Hogue Cocobolo grips.
I just picked up a target model, I love the thing.
I'm very happy with my 226 legion sao but this is a beauty !
Hey - as always great informative and interesting video -
A question about your grip if I may -
Does the Pinky Side Heel of your shooting hand come to rest on the “back” of the handle? Or is it more 3/4? Thank you!!!
The Sig Sauer 200 series are some of the finest handguns in the world! Can't say the same for their 300 series.
Yeah im up man! Reminded me of my Old D-I in San Diego Cal. Back in day. Lol he let us brush our teeth & wash face before anything else in the morning. Cant say the same about other platoons Lol😁
Owning this exact model p210, I will say that it doesn’t do many things well... but look awesome! There are G10 grips out there. SIG may make night sights due to the “carry version” (if not already can swap from other model and in stock).
I shot one at my local PSA store during “SIG days” where a rep came out with all of the cool new models. Picking up a firearm and being instantly accurate, and the gun feeling amazing with every shot... made me buy this!
BUT, I do plan on keeping this firearm. So, I will buy the leather holster SIG offers, night sights, remove the nitron coating on the slide, and install G10 grips.
Cool looking gun that shoots great, I can overlook the capacity with more magazines (already bought two extra)
Ian from the Forgotten Weapons website and TH-cam channel actually has a video on a double stack 210. It was a prototype designed along with the single stack version and the reason it wasn't produced was because the original buyers wanted a target pistol more than a combat pistol. So when the single stack version went into production, that was what the company marketed to various militaries instead.
I looked at the target model at a gun shop and I love the feel of it. The only reason why I did t buy it is because it’s a single stack Magazine. If it was a double stack I would of bought it.
Thanks for the video. Yep it a single stack, just like the 1911 which seems to be popular enough. And the fit and finish is equal to a very good 1911 as well. So look at it in those terms and it's a great handgun. Maybe not my first choice for a gun fight but thats not why I bought it. I bought it to be a example of this design with US type controls and a more affordable than a original in price. I prefer the standard version to the target but a adjustable rear sight would be nice.
I have the target model and it is the smoothest slide I have ever used. I also have an extra set of standard P210 grips that fit perfect. American made version.
Again Nill grips suck - they are too fat.
2:12 NGL, had to rewatch a few times. Very, very nice.
We REALLY need a "2011" version of this desperatley. I'd even pay up for something like that.
Why not just get a cz75
Somehow I've transformed into a Sig guy instead of a Glock guy, although I'll always have a Glock19 since I'm so comfortable with it. But my carry is now a Sig p365xl, If I remember correctly you gave it a good review 🤙😊
g19 for regular carry p365xl for summer/lighter carry is the perfect rotation: change my mind
@@Wilfmott I agree if I'm wearing jeans but usually I'm wearing gym style pants or shorts. I also carry a 15 round backup mag for my p365xl so only 3 rounds less than my G19, unless I'm carrying my eight 33 round mags and two 50 round drums for my G19 lol
I have two sigs. I was going to buy something else one day at shop he worked at. He talked me into getting a sig instead. Never happier so bought a second and looking to buy more sigs.
Beautiful
I’ve been contemplating this one for a while. Holding out on seeing the 4” version. Then it probably a toss up between the steel frame Walther and the 4” p210
How about the P226 Legion SAO? Would that come closer to a double-stack version that would be accurate enough?
you have to try sig p210 target, is the best !
You're my kinda people Outlaw. Ever done any meet and greets or any of that stuff on your patreon? Would be awesome to have the opportunity to converse with you like that even just shortly. Some of us subs like your style, presentation, upfront facts, and personality. Would be cool to see the legend and giant hands. Lol
Definitely sig gotta make a double stack p210! In target and carry model! They have the p320 magazines to back it up.
You have the best gun channel on youtube! I was wondering if you might consider a review of the Browning 1911 380. I think you said you were considering buying one for you wife. Blessings, Chris
An honest review?! Nice.
Bought the target model yesterday. Can't wait to shoot it.
On the trigger, it is about 1.5 pounds on the take up and about a pound on the break.
Just got the target version it's by far the most accurate pistol I own put 300 rounds down so far I can keep them in the 10 ring at 50 yds. Pistol is so smooth pick one up you won't regret it
I believe P-series stights slot in. I have p229 sights to put in but other than the super large rear dots, I don't mind the sights as much as I thought I would.
Forgotten weapons made a video on the two guns for the trials on this program where one of them was a double stack version of the 210. Maybe they could re-engineer that gun, bet that would make a huge splash at shot show and a hit in the competitive scene. I have owned a couple of 1911's that had fenomenal triggers but after dry fireing a german made new product ion P210 i was in awe
While massively awesome, I don't see them doing that since it would probably cut into P226 sales. I'll be happy if I can get a 5" Stainless P226 with an optic cut without selling my P7 and a spare organ.
@@danielhenderson8316 Fair point, but i still think a double stack version of the 210 would rather cut into the 1911/2011 market. P226 legacy is too strong imo (and an awesome shooter as well)
Armory Craft makes a dovetail red dot mount which looks pretty slick, check it out. I have the target model but the grips are huge. Put on standard grips for my smaller hands but love the target sights.
Putting a red dot on that gun would be like slathering ketchup on prime rib.
P210 with a Hi-Power or CZ mag well... put it on my list!
As a big fan of the old Walther P38, discovering this gem makes me happy. I'd dig something like this, A: because I don't have to restock a whole new ammo type and, B: I really like traditional single stack guns. Biggest reason I didn't like the P38's grandchild, (the Beretta M9) is because she too chunky. So this may very well be the gun I nab if I finally break into the tilt-barrel market.
Couldn’t agree more about a double stack 210. That would be a dream. Unfortunately if they did come out with one Sig would make them $5000 MSRP
Excellent video. This is the first time I feel I've gotten the entire story on the P210.
One thing I've not heard much about is the thumb safety. Yes it is similar to a 1911, but the edge on it is incredibly sharp. I run them like a 1911 with my thumb on top of the safety. Not for me.
Couldn't agree more! The thumb safety on this is terrible. It's sharp, requires a lot of force to move and doesn't give enough purchase.
Disagree - thumb works great. I don't know what you mean by it being sharp - get out and do some yard work. @@tristaneuritt9556
I love mine, but I'd really like to eventually get one of the old ones.
Back in the early 1990s, I worked at a small gun shop. We got in a shipment of the police surplus specimens and put them up for sale for like $400.00. They were in nice shape. I always kick myself for not picking one up, which I could have gotten for a good bit less than the sticker price.
There are advantages to distinguishing between accuracy and precision, because errors in each have different remedies. Precision is the size of a group independent of the location of the group relative to the target. Conversely, accuracy is the location of a shot group relative to the target independent of the size of the group. The remedy for accuracy error is usually adjusting the sights, or adjusting grip or point of aim if the sights are not adjustable. The size of a group shot from a machine rest defines the precision of a pistol, and the size of a group shot offhand is the combination of the precision error of the pistol and the precision error of the shooter. Therefore the remedies for precision error include a more precise gun, but more likely improved shooting skill because the shooter’s contribution to group size is usually much greater, >10x, than the precision error of the gun. You can distinguish finer differences in pistol precision than most because your personal precision error is so small.
Are you going to review the 210 Carry whenever it finally comes out?
hopefully
Haha... the Honest Outlaw wants to turn a bullseye target gun into a double stack speed demon shredder! Ya proper target sights a must for this thing which really is geared for the one handed bullseye target crowd.
He always says he likes to go fast.
Beautiful gun wish I could afford all that I like.
Just get the P210 Target and the problems disappear. Mostly. Still 8 shot. However this target pistol will make you look good at the range with its superior ergonomics and low bore axis. I love this gun. Some about it is special, in a good way. And don't forget the trigger, WOW!
Sweet 👌😊, but rather have a 1911 in single stack pistols. Just my 2cents, great video as always !! Stay safe and God bless 🇺🇸☠️🇺🇸!!!
If it had higher capacity mags, it would be my perfect pistol. But right now the CZ 75B Omega takes the cake
Definitely would be a better seller in a double stack with a pic rail. Do like the historic value of it though
waiter, the Double Stack Mahogany please
I think the target slide on the standard frame would make a hell of a pistol. A double stack would of been even nicer.
The ONLY difference on the frames between the target and standard is the wood grips. So if you love that idea buy the target and get some spare standard wood grips
As I said in your other P210 video which I miss took for this video I meant to put in this video is; maybe you can use 1911 9mm mags on that if they’re interchangeable to the P210’s mags, though it sounds like it could possible due to how close to the 1911 design it follows? Though I could be wrong due to the holding design in the pistol or the mags themselves which sounds to me.... that they need to make these 1911 9mm compatible so you can save money and find mags easier, like they do with some pistols being Glock Mag compatible with some pistols or carbines to help the aftermarket value of the pistol.
Really wish they would release a double stack P210 that was MRDO ready for modern competition shooting. Also wouldn’t hurt to have a rail on it. After all that it may dethrone your CZ Orange...
U made me bought 1. :)
I had the target version. Sold it to get a Shadow 2. And spare mags are expensive.
The capacity is why I started looking at Beretta 92X Performance instead of this.
Do have a Chiappa Rhino? If so can you do a review on it.
Now that was an interesting review. If you alter the iconic P210 to a high capacity wonder nine, would you still have a P210 or a CZ 75 TSO?
hard to say
H.O. always tells it straight, Like it is.
Its ok to say the TSO has the 210 covered, 360°
@@tomd8313 Now that would be debatable. Both the P210 and the TSO share similar design concepts, that's for sure. The P210 has a long history of military service while the TSO has none. Over its time in production its probably won more pistol tournaments then the TSO. Though I do agree the evolution of the TSO from the CZ75 is outstanding.
The new P210 uses the he same sights as the P226/229. Any sights for those should fit. I suggest calling Robert Burke to discuss options.
I REALLY like the P210 Legend, it's all about the cool looks of that original for me. A double stack of that gun would be freakin sweet but the visual changes made on the standard just won't do.. even the beaver tail on the Legend is pushing it.
I’m fairly certain there was a trials 210 that was double stack? Maybe I’m making stuff up though.
should I go Steyr m9a1, CZ p10c, the Canik Tp9sf, or the Archon Type B?
That gun is perfect for home defense. How many rounds do you need? 🤔 it's accurate and reliable and with good ammo it is deadly as you could ask for.
A double stack version of this pistol would be amazing... Except for the price, Sig would charge a fortune.
Those iron sights seem good enough for 2 liters at 100 yards
I've been thinking of getting one for steel challenge limited
I appreciate the low bore axis and the cz slide in frame design. However, Sig sucks at marketing, make it double stacked, compensated, with better sight and a rail. Now you have a serious competitor that every internet commando will love.
And about $2500 and maybe not enough production space to pull off due to all the police and military contracts for the guns they make right now.
I want one! Wish it was high polish blue & not nitron. Like that they kept it the original single stack. However, should ship w/4 or 5 magazines.
They have a blued version........$2000
I know the trigger pull feels lighter than 3.5 lbs, but Sig Sauer says that's what it is. I'm in love with this pistol, but you summed up the negative points very well. To me you buy this as if you would jewelry . . . because you like it, not because it's particularly practical. Man, I like it! LOL
I have a stable full of guns and this one hands down is my favorite . My trigger pull come in at less than 3lbs.
Would you ever do a review on the Glock 48?
Love the P210
Carry gun? Heck ya!
As Clint Smith once mentioned it's not necessarily comfortable to carry but rather...comforting...