You know, I always headcanoned that the regular ghosts from Luigi' mansion are human souls, and the boos are monster (koopas, goombas, etc.) souls, but this is a FASCINATING take on the whole thing ngl
I so appreciate (and also empathize with) how carefully you treaded through this topic. Look, I'm a Pastor's Kid who worked in a church for a decade: you done good, kid 😂👌 if anyone's been giving you grief, send 'em to me. This was not only HYSTERICAL, but also ridiculously brilliant? I can't imagine how much time and effort you poured into all this research. Glad I'm not the only one kept up late at night contemplating the meaning of virtual existences.
Fun fact: The bonus sections that take place in the clouds in classic Mario games are actually called "Coin Heavens". So yeah, we can pretty much assume that the SMB3 level with the cross is intended to be a heaven reference.
youtube just put your Smooth Bros video in my reccomended and your channel has quickly become one of my favorite discoveries in the last couple years I've been on youtube. Keep up the amazing work!
Oh wow... thats such a positive and loving spin at the end 🥰 thats probably why the boos in Paper Mario are all pranksters, they just live life to scare because they care.
Not that it makes a huge difference, but since Smash Bros. is canonically toys being played with, Luigi's death in the Smash Bros. reveal can't be taken as canon.
That was true in Smash 64. In Brawl they're animate trophies, and that also seems to be the case in Melee, as their stage entrance animations look a bit like what Brawl later revealed to be the process of a fighter trophy coming to life. Smash Ultimate hasn't given any information on this, so maybe they are toys, but we have no reason to assume this is the case. It's just as likely that they're trophies, or that they're something else entirely - for all we know, the story might be that the fighters might just be the real deal now.
Great video! You know I don’t know games and I understood it all! As a non-religious person, I’ll allow the “references,” and I’d only come for you with a hug! 😊
6:36 I don’t know if it’s a popular outlook on Greek gods but I see Greek mythology as a reflection of the world. There are countless gods on earth and Olympus, each representing an aspect of human life or nature. Just like us and the world we live in they’re incredibly intricate, caring, intelligent, yet hostile, unpredictable, and unforgiving. Look at the world we live in - we have beautiful landscapes, scenic mountains, trickling rivers, and calm seas. Seemingly without warning they can turn earthquakes, devastating volcanic eruptions, tidal waves, and floods. It only makes sense that thousands of years ago people would see all of these, spread stories of floods, storms, and vast mountains. They’d see unfathomable events and naturally think there‘s some element of control. Add all of these factors, throw in a bit of human creativity, and you get the perfect conditions for any number of mythology. Similar to looking up at the clouds and imagining shapes in them, just on a much larger scale.
I lie in bed at night and ponder these very topics myself in an infinite loop of questions with no real answers, now it will be your voice i hear in my head when it happens, thank you for these videos and for haunting my dreams.
I really love this analysis, it's cool to see this level of research and analysis put into the mechanics of death in the Mario universe! I do also have some other thoughts: . Most crucially, re: the canonicity of the Paper Mario games to the broader universe, we do have a concrete answer on this! Paper Jam was made with close oversight from the Paper Mario team for compatibility, so we can be confident that what it has to say about the Paper Mario world has legitimate bearing on the rest. A common misconception, and one that I myself had for a long time, is that the existence of the Paper World within the book means that the Paper Mario games occur in a separate continuity/history. But the game seems insistent on the opposite, if anything! Any time we see two versions of the same character interact, it's emphasized that they're identical, with the same personalities and lives and histories. Kamek even refers to the worlds as parallel. The same events (give or take necessary differences like Flipping in the real world being into 4D rather than 3D and whatnot) happened in both worlds. . Bringing in evidence from other games on the topic, quite a few games make reference to Paper Mario events. As you brought up, Mario Party 5 has the Star Spirits, but it goes even deeper than that. The Japanese intro of Partners in Time mentions that the Shroob Planet is "shunned by the light of Star Haven", confirming the existence of Star Haven and all that implies in the "real" Mario world. Paper Mario itself references the sports games and leads into Luigi's Mansion, and is also referenced directly as an event with a block in the Woohoo Hooniversity in Superstar Saga. Even the later, "more papery" Paper Mario games have at least some real-world equivalent, as a microgame in WarioWare features stuff from Origami King. . It's interesting how many different ways there are for Boos (and ghosts in general) to come into being. Having been born as one, dying to become one, or being spawned out of enough spiritual energy. Adding onto the point of Boos that were born that way, Lady Bow from Paper Mario is described a few times as having "Boo ancestors" (I forget if you mentioned that). One line in the English text has her "swear on her own grave", but that joke was localization-added, and she originally only swore on her own pride. We also see Dry Bones and Boos in the Underwhere, which is notable since it might suggest that ghosts can traverse freely in and out of it. . Also noteworthy and frankly fascinating is that the whole realm of the afterlife seems from every indication to just *be* a dimension, full-stop, indistinct (aside from truly dead souls not tending to leave it short of being wished back to life) from any other dimension in the "living realm". The Ancients visited it to drop off the Pure Heart, Dimentio teleports you there (Jaydes confirms you're all alive, so you weren't killed), dimensional doors can go there, and it's even possible to externally predict not just the future of those who travel there, but one's *own* future and the likelihood of Jaydes judging them worthy to go to the Overthere or not. . This is really nitpicky, but the fruit in the Overthere is indeed called forbidden in the level title of 7-3. . Nimbis, interestingly, are considered immortal, and yet unlike Skellobits, are never suggested anywhere I've seen to have once been mortal souls, making it seem deliberately ambiguous what exactly happens to the souls of those who were judged good in life. As you pointed out, Grambi doesn't seem to be all that powerful in the grand scheme of things, and definitely isn't the creator of the universe, that being the Stars. Grambi could perhaps be seen as *a* god of the afterlife, perhaps, since some junior-league gods to exist in the Mario universe even if they aren't on the scale of a creator deity which Mario *doesn't* really seem to have. But even then, in Japanese the power over life and death is outright named "Jaydes Magic", which alongside what we see implies that Jaydes is the one of the two with far more power. Anyway, basically the two are probably just primordial guardians and keepers of the afterlife and maybe of life and death in general, rather than literal stand-ins for a capital-G God, like you said.
Spoilers to who wanna watch the whole video (it's pretty interesting) Boo's are just: "eh, I'm dead but i still wanna party!" Ghosts are like: "uuh, I'm not finished."
Amazing first vid! Loved the topic and appreciate the work and research that Ms. Vanston brought to the vid. SMB3 hold a special place in my heart so those little Easter eggs were fun to hear about. Shout out AV! Great work!
Anna, I miss you on NRs. You’re so cute and fun! Growing up in the 90’s I never saw young girls my age that nerded out with me at the arcade. Guys don’t know what they have now haha. You’re awesome and I really miss you at that other channel. Keep being you lady!
9:09 the koopa is praying? wow. i always interpreted this as the koopa thinking he caught onto mario's disguise while the real mario is up above the koopa. wow..
Much like the game SMB3 is a dramatization of real events we never see, the Mario Story book also portrays real events that have actually happened, and in fact being as story focused as they are the Paper Mario games have the most explicit continuity connective tissue in the entire franchise. To throw all that out because of a C-tier spin off nobody's ever played and fewer people even know exist is insanity. Like the first one ends with Luigi getting the mansion for fuck's sake, it's 100% depicting real events. Your idea about the difference between boos and other ghosts being unfinished business is genius, though. Really knocked that one out of the park.
It could be both going with Japanese interpretations of the afterlife ghosts have an attachment to the material world and cannot move on to the afterlife. Every example of death for mario has been shown to be foreful and unwilling plus he would have unfinished business. We haven't and likely won't see him die at peace with his life and ready to move on.
Hey look everyone a comment that actually talks about the video instead of being a fanboy/ girl over the fact that this lady has her own channel.....lmfao
I never really thought about it like that. Reminds me of that meme where you have to fight everyone you ever killed in a video game to get into heaven.
I've just discovered your channel and I'm enjoying your very thoughtful and philosophical approach to discussing the "metaphysics" of game universes : ) I think your transition to this sort of content is going to be really successful and I encourage you to keep up the great work! I'll certainly be looking forward to more vids from you.
I sat here through this whole video admiring the Morticia Addams vibes your outfit gives, and it really works with all the discussion of death. I dig it.
I'm not sure if it's based on anything or if I just made it up, but I was always under the impression that Mario characters ascend and become stars when they die. It's stated that Mario himself is a Star Child meaning he was likely created by the Star Spirits, which links stars directly to the other races. If the Stars can create these lower races, it makes sense that upon death they'd return back to the realm of the stars to begin their afterlife as a Luma. There is also the actual "Star" race, but that's pretty much exclusive to Paper Mario and IMO it's just a stylized storybook depiction of the Lumas which are the actual star people that exist in Mario. Lumas are baby stars, and they can mature into either Power Stars or Warp Stars or in rare cases Star Spirits.
I got a bit lost at the "paper jam confirms paper mario isn't canon" argument as I feel like it's thrown a wrench in ideas that used to work. the contents of the book mostly contain things found in sticker star, and I don't think it's likely that all the other games would be in the same book or restricted to books at all. of course most characters or locations aren't seen in other games, but the main series is guilty of having several one-off ideas too. that plus the fact that ttyd and spm take place outside of the mushroom kingdom, I believe the first 3 paper mario games can easily fit into the abstract canon of the series. I'm hesitant to include the later 3 paper mario games only because the emphasis on the world being made of paper is so extreme that they would have to be in a separate universe all this malarkey aside this video is very good
Another interesting thing about Peach and the Fruit, it could also parallel Persephone in a way too, in keeping with the Greek themes (also Apples and Pomegranates were often confused for the Forbidden Fruit in the story of Adam and Eve) On the subject of the Halo, I found a couple of verses in the Bible that reference something similar: "And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:" Revelation 10:1 and "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.” (Ezekiel 1:28) The idea of a rainbow (which are actually circular in nature) around the head [or body in the second quote] sounds a lot like a Halo Also, Mario not getting any Angel wings - well, we saw where he went after Dimentio killed him xD Grambi remembers all those Goombas you stomped on, Mario xD
It’s pretty interesting how in Japanese made games heaven and hell are seen in a similar light as to mythologies like Greek mythology. You even see in the Sonic games like SA2, where you can raise chao to be a hero or dark type and the chao garden are literally based on Heaven and Hell.
I want to point out that hades doesn't have power over death, he isn't even the god of death, the god of death in greek mythology is Thanatos. hades is the god of the underworld, not the god of death
Ok so I don't think that boos are the end point of life in Mario for one reason, the backgrounds. In Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2. When you look at the background in haunted themed levels, you can see classic depictions of ghosts spiraling toward a bright light. Now, you could say that it's just for decoration... BUT in Super Mario 3D World, when you use the light box on boos and other ghostly enemies to kill them, you can see briefly the exact same shape glide upwards on the walls. And we know that 3D World and Mario Galaxy happen in the same timeline since you can see Lumas and Electrogoombas in some levels but also that the observatory is in the background on one level and Rosalina is playable. Conclusion: boos are just a step in the life cycle of the Mario universe. The end point being being dissolved by light and joining the center of the cosmos to become pure energy.
Sounds like it has some facts too! ^^ I loved the way you made this. It's a masterpiece. It's perfect timing since my Japanese lessons today are focused on religion and spirituality lol. Anyways, you're always the best, and beautiful too. Take care always! 💗💗💗 Ps. I can't attend today's livestream due to my relatives visiting again today. 😥 But I hope it'll be fun.
The Fates? I loved the CW's DC's Legends of Tomorrow! Didn't realize it was a greek thing, but then again, it didn't sound Egyptian or like anything else I knew of, and it was probably stated in the show.
Bit late, but I'm 100% taking this interpretation of boos moving forward. It makes so much sense with how playful they are. they're done with all their unfinished business
Heaven is shown to exist in the mario universe. At the end of Wario Land 4 cherubs escort princess shakora's soul to heaven. Angels also appear in various Warioware games, such as Warioware smooth moves. Also in various comics and episodes of the super mario bros super show, bibles are shown along with priests usually due to wedding situations.
If boos are dead people who have accepted death, what does that make King Boo? Was he the first one to die? Or is he like, some “arbiter of death?” Is he the true Mario equivalent of Satan? 🤔 Sidenote, but I’m pretty sure Paper Mario-at least the first one, and probably by extension TTYD too. SPM is questionable. Probably not the later three-are meant to be the same canon as regular Mario, considering the first PM was conceived as a direct sequel to Super Mario RPG, and there’s a lot of commonality in the lore, like the Star Road, which is also in Super Mario World.
Anything that disregards the entire Paper Mario universe as "just a book with creative decisions" (and ESPECIALLY using Paper Jam and its horrenduous writing and even more godawful portrayl of the universe as their supposed evidence) pretty much gets negative points from me, but I will give this theory some points because there is a nonzero probability that the conclusion taken when dismissing PM is still a part of the cycle in that universe, that being that the Underwhere and Overthere are not necessarily where the departed IMMEDIATELY goes, leading to the very real probability of plenty of that universe's souls choosing to stay as part of the world they once roamed; out of either unfinished business or just caring too much for said world to leave (hell, PM itself alludes to that possibility in TTYD with the ghost Toad you meet on the train in room 004).
the overthere stair arguably has the biggest difference in enjoyability between the level itself and its music. the music is amazing and i love it and yet the level itself is bullshit and i hate it and i wish i could skip it. the underwhere is cool tho, idm it :)
What's stopping them from having someone else in place of Jesus. It's an alternate universe from ours, literally anything can be different, there's nothing stopping Jesus from having a different name, or being a different person.
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You know, I always headcanoned that the regular ghosts from Luigi' mansion are human souls, and the boos are monster (koopas, goombas, etc.) souls, but this is a FASCINATING take on the whole thing ngl
I so appreciate (and also empathize with) how carefully you treaded through this topic. Look, I'm a Pastor's Kid who worked in a church for a decade: you done good, kid 😂👌 if anyone's been giving you grief, send 'em to me. This was not only HYSTERICAL, but also ridiculously brilliant? I can't imagine how much time and effort you poured into all this research. Glad I'm not the only one kept up late at night contemplating the meaning of virtual existences.
Super Paper Mario is the only Mario game where Mario killed Satan and it’s not even the final level
No, instead the final boss is Luigi after he ascends to his prophecized role as the embodiment of death and chaos.
Fun fact: The bonus sections that take place in the clouds in classic Mario games are actually called "Coin Heavens".
So yeah, we can pretty much assume that the SMB3 level with the cross is intended to be a heaven reference.
The real question is who crucified Mario Jesus? Did Moses part the seas with an ice flower? Was Noah the inventor of the airship?
That's only for dead coins though, I wonder how coins die?
16:44 I took it to mean that Chauncy was a stillborn.
youtube just put your Smooth Bros video in my reccomended and your channel has quickly become one of my favorite discoveries in the last couple years I've been on youtube. Keep up the amazing work!
holy crap same
That Video was also my first.
Oh wow... thats such a positive and loving spin at the end 🥰 thats probably why the boos in Paper Mario are all pranksters, they just live life to scare because they care.
This video was intriguing filled with lots of heavenly things.
Might even watch it again this evening with metaphorical wings.
Yesss you were one of my favorite hosts on NR and now that you’re doing your own thing I am SO subscribed!
Wait, what's NR? I genuinely only found her from this TH-cam channel. And if I'm correct I believe she was on Game Changer at some point.
NR?
Not gonna tell us wtf NR is?
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Not that it makes a huge difference, but since Smash Bros. is canonically toys being played with, Luigi's death in the Smash Bros. reveal can't be taken as canon.
That was true in Smash 64. In Brawl they're animate trophies, and that also seems to be the case in Melee, as their stage entrance animations look a bit like what Brawl later revealed to be the process of a fighter trophy coming to life.
Smash Ultimate hasn't given any information on this, so maybe they are toys, but we have no reason to assume this is the case. It's just as likely that they're trophies, or that they're something else entirely - for all we know, the story might be that the fighters might just be the real deal now.
Great video! You know I don’t know games and I understood it all! As a non-religious person, I’ll allow the “references,” and I’d only come for you with a hug! 😊
6:36 I don’t know if it’s a popular outlook on Greek gods but I see Greek mythology as a reflection of the world. There are countless gods on earth and Olympus, each representing an aspect of human life or nature. Just like us and the world we live in they’re incredibly intricate, caring, intelligent, yet hostile, unpredictable, and unforgiving.
Look at the world we live in - we have beautiful landscapes, scenic mountains, trickling rivers, and calm seas. Seemingly without warning they can turn earthquakes, devastating volcanic eruptions, tidal waves, and floods. It only makes sense that thousands of years ago people would see all of these, spread stories of floods, storms, and vast mountains. They’d see unfathomable events and naturally think there‘s some element of control. Add all of these factors, throw in a bit of human creativity, and you get the perfect conditions for any number of mythology. Similar to looking up at the clouds and imagining shapes in them, just on a much larger scale.
I lie in bed at night and ponder these very topics myself in an infinite loop of questions with no real answers, now it will be your voice i hear in my head when it happens, thank you for these videos and for haunting my dreams.
I really enjoyed the deep dive! Very thorough and all in good fun. Thanks for the video! These are the questions we need answered 😎
I really love this analysis, it's cool to see this level of research and analysis put into the mechanics of death in the Mario universe! I do also have some other thoughts:
. Most crucially, re: the canonicity of the Paper Mario games to the broader universe, we do have a concrete answer on this! Paper Jam was made with close oversight from the Paper Mario team for compatibility, so we can be confident that what it has to say about the Paper Mario world has legitimate bearing on the rest. A common misconception, and one that I myself had for a long time, is that the existence of the Paper World within the book means that the Paper Mario games occur in a separate continuity/history. But the game seems insistent on the opposite, if anything! Any time we see two versions of the same character interact, it's emphasized that they're identical, with the same personalities and lives and histories. Kamek even refers to the worlds as parallel. The same events (give or take necessary differences like Flipping in the real world being into 4D rather than 3D and whatnot) happened in both worlds.
. Bringing in evidence from other games on the topic, quite a few games make reference to Paper Mario events. As you brought up, Mario Party 5 has the Star Spirits, but it goes even deeper than that. The Japanese intro of Partners in Time mentions that the Shroob Planet is "shunned by the light of Star Haven", confirming the existence of Star Haven and all that implies in the "real" Mario world. Paper Mario itself references the sports games and leads into Luigi's Mansion, and is also referenced directly as an event with a block in the Woohoo Hooniversity in Superstar Saga. Even the later, "more papery" Paper Mario games have at least some real-world equivalent, as a microgame in WarioWare features stuff from Origami King.
. It's interesting how many different ways there are for Boos (and ghosts in general) to come into being. Having been born as one, dying to become one, or being spawned out of enough spiritual energy. Adding onto the point of Boos that were born that way, Lady Bow from Paper Mario is described a few times as having "Boo ancestors" (I forget if you mentioned that). One line in the English text has her "swear on her own grave", but that joke was localization-added, and she originally only swore on her own pride. We also see Dry Bones and Boos in the Underwhere, which is notable since it might suggest that ghosts can traverse freely in and out of it.
. Also noteworthy and frankly fascinating is that the whole realm of the afterlife seems from every indication to just *be* a dimension, full-stop, indistinct (aside from truly dead souls not tending to leave it short of being wished back to life) from any other dimension in the "living realm". The Ancients visited it to drop off the Pure Heart, Dimentio teleports you there (Jaydes confirms you're all alive, so you weren't killed), dimensional doors can go there, and it's even possible to externally predict not just the future of those who travel there, but one's *own* future and the likelihood of Jaydes judging them worthy to go to the Overthere or not.
. This is really nitpicky, but the fruit in the Overthere is indeed called forbidden in the level title of 7-3.
. Nimbis, interestingly, are considered immortal, and yet unlike Skellobits, are never suggested anywhere I've seen to have once been mortal souls, making it seem deliberately ambiguous what exactly happens to the souls of those who were judged good in life. As you pointed out, Grambi doesn't seem to be all that powerful in the grand scheme of things, and definitely isn't the creator of the universe, that being the Stars. Grambi could perhaps be seen as *a* god of the afterlife, perhaps, since some junior-league gods to exist in the Mario universe even if they aren't on the scale of a creator deity which Mario *doesn't* really seem to have. But even then, in Japanese the power over life and death is outright named "Jaydes Magic", which alongside what we see implies that Jaydes is the one of the two with far more power. Anyway, basically the two are probably just primordial guardians and keepers of the afterlife and maybe of life and death in general, rather than literal stand-ins for a capital-G God, like you said.
No one would never ever do this video, that's why you rock!!! Super entertaining!
Spoilers to who wanna watch the whole video (it's pretty interesting)
Boo's are just: "eh, I'm dead but i still wanna party!"
Ghosts are like: "uuh, I'm not finished."
Amazing first vid! Loved the topic and appreciate the work and research that Ms. Vanston brought to the vid. SMB3 hold a special place in my heart so those little Easter eggs were fun to hear about. Shout out AV! Great work!
I'm glad you went with this background!
Anna, I miss you on NRs. You’re so cute and fun! Growing up in the 90’s I never saw young girls my age that nerded out with me at the arcade. Guys don’t know what they have now haha.
You’re awesome and I really miss you at that other channel. Keep being you lady!
9:09
the koopa is praying? wow. i always interpreted this as the koopa thinking he caught onto mario's disguise while the real mario is up above the koopa.
wow..
That is AMAZING 😂 He is praying, but I am obsessed with this interpretation! 😄 This will be canon in my head moving forward
I've been eagerly waiting for you're videos to drop and it did not disappoint. Can't wait for more!
Much like the game SMB3 is a dramatization of real events we never see, the Mario Story book also portrays real events that have actually happened, and in fact being as story focused as they are the Paper Mario games have the most explicit continuity connective tissue in the entire franchise. To throw all that out because of a C-tier spin off nobody's ever played and fewer people even know exist is insanity. Like the first one ends with Luigi getting the mansion for fuck's sake, it's 100% depicting real events.
Your idea about the difference between boos and other ghosts being unfinished business is genius, though. Really knocked that one out of the park.
Ayye first new video of the new Goombanna Saga Let's Go ! 🤘🔥🎉🎊
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Loved it! All the research and detailed information are flawless and the Boo theory simply blow my mind! Can't wait for the next one!
Holy crap, this was insanely thoroughly researched! And your presentation/delivery is incredibly engaging and fun to watch
It could be both going with Japanese interpretations of the afterlife ghosts have an attachment to the material world and cannot move on to the afterlife. Every example of death for mario has been shown to be foreful and unwilling plus he would have unfinished business. We haven't and likely won't see him die at peace with his life and ready to move on.
Hey look everyone a comment that actually talks about the video instead of being a fanboy/ girl over the fact that this lady has her own channel.....lmfao
Very well done, best of luck on the channel!
I didn't know that you had your own channel 👀. My Saturday has been made better by learning this...
Love the "unfinished business" conclusion 😙👌 Well played mate 😁
The fact that Dry Bowser is an undead version of Bowser implies that dry bones are undead koopas
Mario: "I've been a good christian Luigi, I'm going to heaven!"
Luigi: "ehh, remember that one time you put spaghetti in my overalls?"
Didn't know I need this video. Thanks Anna . You are a goddess 😂
Great video; informative and fun, with room for a pun, Anna Vanston is #1.
Omg this background is so amazing! Mario has murdered too many turtles to go to heaven though in my judgemental opinion.
Those turtles were part of an ORGANIZED MILITARY, though. There's definitely some leeway there.
Around 19:33 did you mean Boodism?
I never really thought about it like that. Reminds me of that meme where you have to fight everyone you ever killed in a video game to get into heaven.
Yay! New video! Great job, Anna!
How about which smash characters have seen an apocalypse (zombies, nukes, asteroid, etc)
I've just discovered your channel and I'm enjoying your very thoughtful and philosophical approach to discussing the "metaphysics" of game universes : ) I think your transition to this sort of content is going to be really successful and I encourage you to keep up the great work! I'll certainly be looking forward to more vids from you.
I sat here through this whole video admiring the Morticia Addams vibes your outfit gives, and it really works with all the discussion of death. I dig it.
I'm not sure if it's based on anything or if I just made it up, but I was always under the impression that Mario characters ascend and become stars when they die. It's stated that Mario himself is a Star Child meaning he was likely created by the Star Spirits, which links stars directly to the other races. If the Stars can create these lower races, it makes sense that upon death they'd return back to the realm of the stars to begin their afterlife as a Luma. There is also the actual "Star" race, but that's pretty much exclusive to Paper Mario and IMO it's just a stylized storybook depiction of the Lumas which are the actual star people that exist in Mario. Lumas are baby stars, and they can mature into either Power Stars or Warp Stars or in rare cases Star Spirits.
Gril don't worry I'm with you I think about this everytime. one character kills another character
I got a bit lost at the "paper jam confirms paper mario isn't canon" argument as I feel like it's thrown a wrench in ideas that used to work. the contents of the book mostly contain things found in sticker star, and I don't think it's likely that all the other games would be in the same book or restricted to books at all. of course most characters or locations aren't seen in other games, but the main series is guilty of having several one-off ideas too. that plus the fact that ttyd and spm take place outside of the mushroom kingdom, I believe the first 3 paper mario games can easily fit into the abstract canon of the series. I'm hesitant to include the later 3 paper mario games only because the emphasis on the world being made of paper is so extreme that they would have to be in a separate universe
all this malarkey aside this video is very good
Another interesting thing about Peach and the Fruit, it could also parallel Persephone in a way too, in keeping with the Greek themes (also Apples and Pomegranates were often confused for the Forbidden Fruit in the story of Adam and Eve)
On the subject of the Halo, I found a couple of verses in the Bible that reference something similar:
"And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:" Revelation 10:1
and
"As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.” (Ezekiel 1:28)
The idea of a rainbow (which are actually circular in nature) around the head [or body in the second quote] sounds a lot like a Halo
Also, Mario not getting any Angel wings - well, we saw where he went after Dimentio killed him xD Grambi remembers all those Goombas you stomped on, Mario xD
It’s pretty interesting how in Japanese made games heaven and hell are seen in a similar light as to mythologies like Greek mythology. You even see in the Sonic games like SA2, where you can raise chao to be a hero or dark type and the chao garden are literally based on Heaven and Hell.
I want to point out that hades doesn't have power over death, he isn't even the god of death, the god of death in greek mythology is Thanatos. hades is the god of the underworld, not the god of death
You make perfect sense. Imma take my newly bestowed wing and fly on outta here!
Whenever I played SMB by myself as a kid I would play 2 player and kill off mario immediately so I could play as luigi.
Hahaha That's the kinda chaotic energy I strive for!
There's something about over-analyzing something to a completely insane degree like this. But in all seriousness, great video, very well made.
A high compliment. Thank you 🙏
Thank you for saying アケロン. I almost forgot to do my Duolingo today.
12:08 oh miraculous ladybug makes more sense now
Goombanna out here putting the "fun" in Funeral.
"It's just pixels, baby" would be a cool shirt
Wait, Mario’s world all ends in a dream? Is Mario set in the Elder Scrolls? Is Mario an aspect of the Godhead?
Wow, that was well-researched and very comprehensive!!! Great channel
Ok so I don't think that boos are the end point of life in Mario for one reason, the backgrounds.
In Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2. When you look at the background in haunted themed levels, you can see classic depictions of ghosts spiraling toward a bright light.
Now, you could say that it's just for decoration... BUT in Super Mario 3D World, when you use the light box on boos and other ghostly enemies to kill them, you can see briefly the exact same shape glide upwards on the walls. And we know that 3D World and Mario Galaxy happen in the same timeline since you can see Lumas and Electrogoombas in some levels but also that the observatory is in the background on one level and Rosalina is playable.
Conclusion: boos are just a step in the life cycle of the Mario universe. The end point being being dissolved by light and joining the center of the cosmos to become pure energy.
I mean these are objectively the videos I come to TH-cam for, so thanks.
Sounds like it has some facts too! ^^ I loved the way you made this. It's a masterpiece. It's perfect timing since my Japanese lessons today are focused on religion and spirituality lol. Anyways, you're always the best, and beautiful too. Take care always! 💗💗💗 Ps. I can't attend today's livestream due to my relatives visiting again today. 😥 But I hope it'll be fun.
The Fates? I loved the CW's DC's Legends of Tomorrow! Didn't realize it was a greek thing, but then again, it didn't sound Egyptian or like anything else I knew of, and it was probably stated in the show.
I understood "born a ghost" as stillborn/miscarried. So, alive at one point, but died before birth.
No heaven? The overwhere would like to have a word with you
Bit late, but I'm 100% taking this interpretation of boos moving forward. It makes so much sense with how playful they are. they're done with all their unfinished business
Now I'm curious what happens to Link when he dies.
love this theory. Its so well considered really fun watch
Love these videos already give us some horror movies stuff too
Heaven is shown to exist in the mario universe. At the end of Wario Land 4 cherubs escort princess shakora's soul to heaven. Angels also appear in various Warioware games, such as Warioware smooth moves. Also in various comics and episodes of the super mario bros super show, bibles are shown along with priests usually due to wedding situations.
Here's the thing though, you go to hell BEFORE you die.
Ghosts vs. Boos, Boos are simplified because they have let go of the past and moved on from their old life.
What do you mean there's no heaven in the mario universe, there blatantly is one
On topic of random things being called apples, in French a potato is called an apple of the earth.
Awesome video!
There most certainly is a heaven in the Mario Universe! COIN HEAVEN!
Great Video Beautiful Twitch Streamer Anna!! Keep up the Great work!!
Luigi’s mansion the Nintendo hybrid of haunted mansion and ghost busters
I think Mario dies like anyone else. I assume his revival can be understood by the technology found in the film “The Prestige.”
RIP Mario 😞
If boos are dead people who have accepted death, what does that make King Boo? Was he the first one to die? Or is he like, some “arbiter of death?” Is he the true Mario equivalent of Satan? 🤔
Sidenote, but I’m pretty sure Paper Mario-at least the first one, and probably by extension TTYD too. SPM is questionable. Probably not the later three-are meant to be the same canon as regular Mario, considering the first PM was conceived as a direct sequel to Super Mario RPG, and there’s a lot of commonality in the lore, like the Star Road, which is also in Super Mario World.
Nice theory!
16:49- Ectoplasm...
Is Bowser going to Hell then?
The forbidden Top Pom :-o
wrong, Coin Heaven exists in the Mario universe
Reminder Fortnite is doing Greek mythology in season 2
Bananas are berries so they aren't apples
Anything that disregards the entire Paper Mario universe as "just a book with creative decisions" (and ESPECIALLY using Paper Jam and its horrenduous writing and even more godawful portrayl of the universe as their supposed evidence) pretty much gets negative points from me,
but I will give this theory some points because there is a nonzero probability that the conclusion taken when dismissing PM is still a part of the cycle in that universe, that being that the Underwhere and Overthere are not necessarily where the departed IMMEDIATELY goes, leading to the very real probability of plenty of that universe's souls choosing to stay as part of the world they once roamed; out of either unfinished business or just caring too much for said world to leave (hell, PM itself alludes to that possibility in TTYD with the ghost Toad you meet on the train in room 004).
I think mario hasnt canonically (atleast no before being revived)
My thoughts in the comments are that I am madly in love with Goombanna
What if Mario real death?
the overthere stair arguably has the biggest difference in enjoyability between the level itself and its music. the music is amazing and i love it and yet the level itself is bullshit and i hate it and i wish i could skip it. the underwhere is cool tho, idm it :)
Love the content, love the background, love the video. ❤ #itsalljustpixelsbaby
great video
My thoughts? Why would you include smash bro lore if you don't include paper mario?
666th like. Oh no 💀
As a Christian, eerrrm acthually The Bible says that heaven - nah I’m kidding cool vid lol
Hell
Algorithm food!
Limbo
Ana i love you! I wanna ask you out for a date 🥺
no Jesus = no Heaven.
What's stopping them from having someone else in place of Jesus. It's an alternate universe from ours, literally anything can be different, there's nothing stopping Jesus from having a different name, or being a different person.