That is the DCT will shift to the "acceptable" lowest gear based on some algo parameters without over revving the engine. It's not going to shift to 1st when your 100mph :)
@@oni5909 No, I think he means if you floor the throttle pedal, there’s kind of a extra little bit of resistance you can feel right at the floor. It feels like you’re pressing an extra button underneath the pedal. It’s really easy to feel if you press the gas pedal in while the car is off. I think he’s saying floor the car and push the throttle completely to that extra button feel while in your high gear like 6th and then hit the downshift paddle and the car will drop you to 3rd gear. (I drive an M4 with the DCT)
2012 e92 comp pkg M3 DCT! 2 years owning it and love it! Perfect for my weekend drives car feels so much better than a stick... Never going back to a manual.
Hey- thanks for this video! I've driven an '06 550i 6spd manual for 11 years, but with local stop and go traffic, I'd take my automatic pickup out on my interstate runs over the 550 just to avoid wearing out my left leg. Was down at the dealer when a 2012 e93 M3 showed up in near mint condition and I brought it home. Even had the "Individual Package," with the piano black trim and extra-fancy leather. I'd never driven a DCT before and was perplexed on my test drive leaving the crowded dealer lot when it just sat there with no creep in D. It didn't take long to figure out that this transmission wants to GO, and once you learn it's quirks, it's a LOT of fun while still saving your left leg on the bumper to bumper runs. Keep the vids coming!
I've driven the manual version and I went with the DCT it fits the car so much better and you can still do all the stuff a manual can like drift and get sideways but also when in the freeway I've had times when I shifted from 7 to 2 in less than a second it's so fast at shifting
@@lightning5273 stop being a noob, I own a DCT M3 and a manual one . the DCT is much faster, and fits the character of the high-revving motor- Period. Until you own one and drive one don't insert your standard is the only way nonsense bias into every video about dct's, it is in no way an automatic .
I have a question I live in jersey. We just had a bad storm yesterday, some of the roads are clear but I didn't want to take my car out on the snow and ice. How long you think I should wait before bringing the M out?
Depends on your tires, and willingness to allow salt on corrosive components of your car. If you are on summer tires, I'd say wait until it is at least above freezing. Salt is the enemy so avoiding it at all costs is best, but if you drive in salt, simply wash the car and undercarriage as best you can as soon as possible.
how you liking the car? im thinking about getting an e92 (still debating) m3 but the mechanical issues are kinda making me hesitate on purchasing the car. any problems with the car so far?
car has been great for me... The only real mechanical issues are the rod bearings, and the throttle actuators...rod bearings can be monitored with oil analysis and when the throttle actuators go, you just replace them
how much do you guys typically spend on maintenance? the maintenance costs are making me hesitate on buying this car. dont get me wrong, this is my dream car. loved the design and everything about it from the moment it came out but the costs are unsettling. if i buy a car, im planning on driving it for 5 years minimum so i dont want to be spending tens of thousands on dollars on repairs
I’m a die hard stick shift guy never had an automatic car especially not a dct car’ a bout a month in a half ago I bought myself an e90 m3 with dct! Love the car and the way it shifts and down shifts, that crazy button at the bottom of the gas pedal that feels like a 100 shot of nitrous kicking in, the steering, the handling, and the way it sounds revving a v8 all the way to 8200rpm is all crazy
I agree with Ted, once you try DCT it's different. Nothing like a positive push to your back with every milisecond fast upshift. Not to mention launch control and rev match downshifts all day.
Very nice tutorial I love like the DCT over SMG for sure.. although SMG III in the V10's were pretty nice but not a clean as DCT. BTW, I love the Easter egg, lowest gear. Something lots of people don't know about. Great job man.
I've always driven manual cars since I first learned to drive, and now I am thinking of buying a dct car which would also be my first automatic. Thanks for the helpful video so I don't have to look like an idiot trying to operate one for the first time
Hey guys, I've driven 100 manual cars in my life. This DCT is like no other! There's this knob to move it a certain direction and it lights up. Better than the manual! Also it's cheaper because it's so common.
The DCT transmission has definitely made automatic/semi automatic a lot more appealing and bearable. In fact fun to actually drive unlike some standard torque converter autos which are just so slow, confused and unbearable.
Completely agree. I never considered an Auto until this car. It still bugs be here and there with quirks and awkwardness (mostly at low speeds) but you learn to drive it just like any other car.
Thank you bro I’m 15 never driven a manual and this is my dream car I was worried I couldn’t drive it for that reason this really helped to know that I can have it in automatic until I learn manual
It's hard to defend DCTs sometimes because 'hardcore' car people don't give it a chance. What they don't realize is that it can be just as rewarding as a manual transmission, although in a different way. Good DCTs feel like shooting a gun when shifting.
of course it's "rewarding". it's more reward for less effort. it's always gonna be faster, but it's never gonna be the same level of control and connection
Paddle shift has to be best for track cars, keeps both hands on the wheel and you don't have to heel/toe brake and accelerator so you can left foot brake all the time.
Nice vid! They designed this transmission specially around this high revving beast of a motor, hints why I got is as well. After owning an e46 m3 with the SMG, e39 M5, and now this, I can say it's truly the best of both worlds. The only thing that drives me nuts is WHY IS 7TH GEAR SO SHORT?! UGHH. LOL
James Powell Jesus Christ the 7th gear is under used. I guess if you are on auto bhan and need to out run someone then the 7th is useful but in all other situations the car would be so much better if they geared 7th as an over drive with 6 close forward gears. there's no reason it needs to sit at around 3000 on the highway
3000 to this engine is 1500 to other engines, its a revving racing car ! , this will be to BMW what a 70's 911 Turbo is to Porsche , The E92 is just sublime in any form, one of a kind !
The primary reason why I purchased a B8 S4 instead of a DCT M3 (back in 2010) was because of the way the M3 sounded like it rode the clutch at parking lot speeds. I asked the sales guy if this was down to the ‘mode’ it was operating in, but he responded need that this was ‘normal’ 🙄. Did your DCT tune fix this?
Very good you're the only one that answered the question that I was looking for about SMG vs DTC it's basically the same with a few good upgradesmy main concern was the fact that it was going to act the same from a dead dig thanks man
I rented an F80 M3 with the DCT while on vacation in the PNW a couple of weeks ago and absolutely fell in love with it. I don't really want to get into another car that will have a fairly large depreciation in the next few years, and I've always always wanted an e9x M3. So I've been finding myself looking for an e90 DCT.... Just not sure I want to give up the xDrive for a daily, or drive the M3 in the winter. So maybe the plan should be to get the manual e9x M3, and then wait for the DSG Golf R's to come down in price to replace the 335?
Yeah I think they're still on summer tires. I have some people telling me to not take it out cuz the rwd system and others saying to just drive slow. I just don't want to end up stuck or crash my baby. I basically took an Uber to work and back home. Just waiting for the roads to clear out more. Thanks for the fast responses by the way.
why the hate on DCTs? I drive a manual e46 but would love a DCT transmission. It shifts faster and you're controlling the shifts, unlike normal autos where you're just limiting the rpms.
I have the DCT in my 135i in regular drive mode it's laggy like half a second. I'll try the kick down and flick the down shift see if it drops to the lowest gear.
Not sure if this is covered, but the downshift to the lowest gear, apparently is only available in the LCI.I have a 2012 but when i replaced my gas pedal (due to faulty sensor) with a non LCI used pedal, that feature is no longer working.
ARTANSX I’ve experienced this as well, from what I understand there will be a delay sometimes as the dct has to guess or assume your next gear and if assumes wrong it takes a sec to readjust itself.
Hi from Western Australia, I am about to purchase my 4th E90/92 M3 , lol😱 this one was very jerky at times taking off with medium throttle input. It’s Had TA done , it’s tuned by turner because of test pipes but don’t know if it has had the dct GTS tune, can’t find evidence of it. It does have a sprint booster on it that was set to 3 when I drove it. appreciate any suggestions, thx
I'd be curious if the jerky nature is due to the transmission tune or the throttle tune. Do you find that very small throttle inputs result in abrupt revs in neutral?
question, I have never driven a manual transmission before. Would a DCT be easier to learn than a manual? So many cars that I like are either a manual or DCT, I am leaning towards DCT but I have never driven either.
DCT is almost exactly like automatic. The only difference is the quicker shifts and the no creep. DCT practically requires no learning whatsoever if you already know how to drive a torque-converter automatic. Manual will take a long time to fully learn.
No P for Park? My guess when you switch off the engine it actually shifts to 1st gear just like what we do if we don't want the car to roll away (on manual trans).
@@TedwardDrives What actually occurs when transmissions go to "P"? Not sure but is there a way to shift to "P" on a e92 M3 DCT when the engine's running? I guess that's by design, who needs "PARK" when we have the E-brake. It irks me when i see cars shift to park in traffic, seeing the reverse light blink :)
Hey great vid! Quick question. Today I’ve been getting a lot of transmission temperature warning lights today and the car would do weird things a before it got normal again. Any idea what it could be? My car is 2011 with 54k miles dct.
Ooo never seen this. First things I'd confirm is that there's fluid in the gearbox. If it throws codes read them. Best case is that you have a faulty sensor. Is gearbox software tuned? Best of luck and let me know what the resolution is
Drove an A4 with the DCT and didn't like it at low speeds. Not sure if it's better in the BMW, how's it compare? It looks cool in my buddy's M2 Comp, but he should've gotten the manual lol I like how you have to use the emergency brake and there's no park.
@@TedwardDrives well yeah I mean there's no Park in the sense that it treats it like a manual when you have to go through a drive-thru or something. Youd have to engage the e-brake when the cars on. I didn't know you could just shut off the car though in neutral without the brake, that's really weird
Tedward, if you could do it all over again, would you still get the DCT? I have a manual and have always been a diehard manual fan, but this engine just seems to be built for a DCT given the power band and how much it loves to rev. I've been driving stick for 15 years, and this is the only car that I have ever questioned a manual in...
ahhh this is such a hard question to answer. The only thing missing from the DCT experience that I truly miss, is rev matching. The S65 is soooo light and smooth to blip. But that said, I think i'd still go DCT. It's an amazing box for the price point of the car.
Tedward Any interest in reviewing a manual someday? I'm stationed in VA right now but I'm a masshole originally...maybe at some point when I'm home again. Car is a 2010 6 MT stripper with basically no options (no iDrive), CF roof, IB on Black.
Power sharpens the throttle response. I think the nomenclature stuck around from the E60 M5 when it actually made an extra 100hp with the power button. No such luck on the m3! EDC is the electronic damper control. Each mode will stiffen the suspension more and more. when the lights are off it is in Comfort Mode. DSC is traction and stability control. This button only allows you to turn it on or off. MDM mode must be selected through the M button.
To go into Park you go into Neutral? on another video, in the M4 he said you don't and in fact it won't go into Park. I guess that's just a difference between M4 and E92?
Congrats on the car! Just push the shifter to the right again, OR use the paddles. Both will put it in S (S is just manual mode). To get back to Drive, push the shifter to the right again.
Hi mate, i'd like to buy an e93 m3 but my knowledge is still so low of the modell. Now i own an e36 m3 and never gona sell it :) all of the e90 m3 came with manual or DCT or is there any other options? And any good advice where should i learn more of the modell? Thnak you.
I just cant get it how to bring the gear down while driving in fast to reduce brake work with engine brake...just like from 7th gear to down quickly to 3th gear...that what i mean thanks before for the answer
When jacking or lifting E92 M DCT do you need top put in neutral with parking brake up or just leave it in P mode with ebrake up? There's nothing in the manual in how to do it correctly. Anybody know???
I have not driven the IS yet, but as far as I can tell, the IS allows for "creep" and I would imagine the tune for clutch engagement is different to adjust for the differences in torque. I will get you a better answer once i've driven the IS =)
Tedward thanks for the reply. The IS does creep. After watching the video I was scratching my head. I suppose the IS is tuned differently for a different buyer. The creep makes me wonder about clutch life for the IS. The shifting is much more similar to a regular auto than what's in the video. The IS has a sport mode, and the paddles, but does not have the shift intensity button. Another thing I have noticed is that when switching from R to D there is a noticeable delay as the gears change.
Besides s65 rod bearings and throttle actuators, cooling systems, valve cover gaskets, oil pan gaskets, etc, what else would you recommend to do a refresh please?
@@TedwardDrives To make m3 dct creep car creep along, gently jab and release the accelerator pedal and the car will move continuously and slowly forward without further intervention.
Awesome content. I'm a car maniac and I have a channel on cars as well, and I have to admit that you're doing a great job. I honestly prefer manual transmissions, but I do believe that at some point, you couldn't handle anymore. A DCT like in the M3 is a must, so you can focus more on the road, on drifting, etc. Oh, and I use Chuki Beats as well. Congrats, and keep working, buddy.
The highest setting or one below is what I’d usually use. The lower settings smooth out shifts and launches by slipping the clutches which creates more heat and wear
Went a dealership for an E92 M3 with a DCT transmission. And for the life of me, I couldn’t figure out how to put the trans back in park. Hence why i am watch this video. 😂
What are the upcoming or required maintenance for s65 dct transmission please? Please help me because I'm trying to get an e92 m3 in my country. Thank you
You just need to change the fluid and filter. If the gaskets on the pan, hoses, or mechatronics cover are leaking, those will need to be replaced. It is about 8 hours of labor to replace all of those items.
My 2011 335i e93 DCT is totally different... Creeps... Has a Park button, that will take it out of sport when stopped. Pins the gearbox in Park, like a regular auto would... If in sport, hitting the kick down switch gives you the lowest possible gear anyways, without having to use the steering shifters.... Guessing it's only the M that came with that DCT in the video?
It's the exact same hardware, just different software. For some reason BMW coded the DCT in the non-M cars to behave closer to an auto. The ''creep" is artificial, it engages the clutch as you release the break. You'll notice if you release the brake quickly, it takes a second to engage the clutch before it creeps. If you try a regular auto you'll notice the difference. I have a 335i DCT too, and I'm currently driving an auto 116i loan car while it's in the shop, lol.
e46 has SMGII (smg 2). that was a single clutch system. e60 M5 had the SMGIII (smg 3 ) which was also a single clutch. e92/f10 use DCT which is the dual clutch. I do not know enough about DCT progression to tell you differences between models but overall the same gearbox is used for e9x/f10 and so on.
if you hit the kickdown button and pull the downshift paddle it will shift to the lowest possible gear...if you dont hit the kickdown button it will simply go to the next lower gear when pulling the paddle.
Hey quick question man I currently drive an f80 m3 and I was racing this nismo so I aggressively downshifted my dct transmission at high speed from 5th gear to 2 gear on the pway going at around 70 miles per hour could that break my trasmision ???
The software for VW DSG is a lot more forgiving...it allows for creep when you let of the brake which is kind of nice. Honestly I prefer DSG in VW for one reason...The manual feels a little cheap. The car feels so tight and proper but then the gearbox is just a little tinny. The DSG keeps the whole package feeling premium. I'm sure some short shifter/bushing kit would help it out though.
You can keep your foot on the throttle. You can play around a little to smooth it out like adding a little more throttle right after you downshift to make it perfectly smooth. But honestly it’s shifting so fast it doesn’t matter and you’ll stop chasing it haha
It's all automated...You just pull the paddles behind the steering wheel, or allow it to shift automatically (depending on which drive mode you choose)
On a E92 M3 DCT, I experienced some clutch slip in Auto mode when full throttle (Say from Gears 5 to 3). Takes about 1-2 seconds before it really gets going... Is this normal in a DCT Auto Mode?
Clutch slip is when the revs go up and the car goes nowhere. That’s very bad and you need new clutches. It sounds more like you’re just waiting for the downshift which is normal.
@@TedwardDrives The revs are actually climbing during that 1-2 seconds, but the car doesn't seem to be going any faster, just louder. Until about 5500RPM, then the car seems to really get going. Just wondering if its normal in AutoMode or a Clutch Slip... Car has no fault codes, fluids are fresh. Everything works as expected in Manual Mode. Hmm...
I've had mine for about 6 months and never knew you could downshift to the lowest gear while in manual like that. Tomorrow's commute about to be lit
That is the DCT will shift to the "acceptable" lowest gear based on some algo parameters without over revving the engine. It's not going to shift to 1st when your 100mph :)
by kick down button he means basically just flooring it and downshifting before hitting the rev limiter right?
@@oni5909 No, I think he means if you floor the throttle pedal, there’s kind of a extra little bit of resistance you can feel right at the floor. It feels like you’re pressing an extra button underneath the pedal. It’s really easy to feel if you press the gas pedal in while the car is off. I think he’s saying floor the car and push the throttle completely to that extra button feel while in your high gear like 6th and then hit the downshift paddle and the car will drop you to 3rd gear. (I drive an M4 with the DCT)
@@cj0lo that button underneath the pedal literally feels like you’ve pushed a 100 shot of nitrous lol my e90 m3 screams when I hit that button
Bruh, it's a glorified automatic with a "sport" shifter. No clutch petal.
By the way, I think this might be your best video yet.
Hey thanks!
Nick Murray it's not the best video, I'm not in it
Actually you make a good point, also no chicken. This video is shit.
@@NickMurray this comment went from 100-0 quick
2012 e92 comp pkg M3 DCT! 2 years owning it and love it! Perfect for my weekend drives car feels so much better than a stick... Never going back to a manual.
Nice man. For E92 M3, I would say DCT for speed, manual for fun. I always pick manual!
Am I the only one who noticed who you are? Lol and make a video of what's better for racing, MDM mode vs DSC completely off. I've always wondered!
Shifted Perspective
Yes the M3 is fun and just not enough power to be crazy. Now the F10 M5 a manual is not fun.
The Manual in the E92 M3 has the wrong Gear Ratio for the High Reving V8..... The E92 M3 is the only Car i Would buy as an Auto.
Hey- thanks for this video! I've driven an '06 550i 6spd manual for 11 years, but with local stop and go traffic, I'd take my automatic pickup out on my interstate runs over the 550 just to avoid wearing out my left leg. Was down at the dealer when a 2012 e93 M3 showed up in near mint condition and I brought it home. Even had the "Individual Package," with the piano black trim and extra-fancy leather. I'd never driven a DCT before and was perplexed on my test drive leaving the crowded dealer lot when it just sat there with no creep in D. It didn't take long to figure out that this transmission wants to GO, and once you learn it's quirks, it's a LOT of fun while still saving your left leg on the bumper to bumper runs. Keep the vids coming!
I've driven the manual version and I went with the DCT it fits the car so much better and you can still do all the stuff a manual can like drift and get sideways but also when in the freeway I've had times when I shifted from 7 to 2 in less than a second it's so fast at shifting
But you're still driving an automatic car.
@lightning5273 you are one of THOSE people huh 🤣
@@lightning5273 stop being a noob, I own a DCT M3 and a manual one . the DCT is much faster, and fits the character of the high-revving motor- Period. Until you own one and drive one don't insert your standard is the only way nonsense bias into every video about dct's, it is in no way an automatic .
@@lightning5273 Who cares though? DCT is faster and still fun. I have a DCT 135i and a manual Golf so best of both worlds
I have a 2013 e92 m3 and I really like the dct gearbox in it, it's fast and the rev matching is simply fantastic.
The E92 M3 is just such a cool car. I really think this might be my next move in the near future
Just got my m3 last week. Dct is so comfortable.
I have a question I live in jersey. We just had a bad storm yesterday, some of the roads are clear but I didn't want to take my car out on the snow and ice. How long you think I should wait before bringing the M out?
Depends on your tires, and willingness to allow salt on corrosive components of your car. If you are on summer tires, I'd say wait until it is at least above freezing. Salt is the enemy so avoiding it at all costs is best, but if you drive in salt, simply wash the car and undercarriage as best you can as soon as possible.
how you liking the car? im thinking about getting an e92 (still debating) m3 but the mechanical issues are kinda making me hesitate on purchasing the car. any problems with the car so far?
car has been great for me... The only real mechanical issues are the rod bearings, and the throttle actuators...rod bearings can be monitored with oil analysis and when the throttle actuators go, you just replace them
how much do you guys typically spend on maintenance? the maintenance costs are making me hesitate on buying this car. dont get me wrong, this is my dream car. loved the design and everything about it from the moment it came out but the costs are unsettling. if i buy a car, im planning on driving it for 5 years minimum so i dont want to be spending tens of thousands on dollars on repairs
I’m a die hard stick shift guy never had an automatic car especially not a dct car’ a bout a month in a half ago I bought myself an e90 m3 with dct! Love the car and the way it shifts and down shifts, that crazy button at the bottom of the gas pedal that feels like a 100 shot of nitrous kicking in, the steering, the handling, and the way it sounds revving a v8 all the way to 8200rpm is all crazy
You're still driving an automatic. Die hard isn't the right words to claim.
I agree with Ted, once you try DCT it's different. Nothing like a positive push to your back with every milisecond fast upshift. Not to mention launch control and rev match downshifts all day.
Thanks aaron rodgers
I wish i was 6'2"
learned a few things about DCT after 15 years of owning it. Great Video
Very nice tutorial I love like the DCT over SMG for sure.. although SMG III in the V10's were pretty nice but not a clean as DCT. BTW, I love the Easter egg, lowest gear. Something lots of people don't know about. Great job man.
SMG III shifts are a LOT of fun... It's supercar engagement in a BMW. So brutal
#truth
DoctaM3 the E60 m5 smg3 has dual clutch also
That was a great tutorial Tom! I've never driven a car with a DCT. The way you explained sounds simple! Thanks!
I remember pretending I knew what to do the first time I got into a DCT car lol. I looked dumb. Thanks Carlos!
I've always driven manual cars since I first learned to drive, and now I am thinking of buying a dct car which would also be my first automatic. Thanks for the helpful video so I don't have to look like an idiot trying to operate one for the first time
Hey guys, I've driven 100 manual cars in my life. This DCT is like no other! There's this knob to move it a certain direction and it lights up. Better than the manual! Also it's cheaper because it's so common.
The best DCT video I've seen
Thanks Matt!
The DCT transmission has definitely made automatic/semi automatic a lot more appealing and bearable. In fact fun to actually drive unlike some standard torque converter autos which are just so slow, confused and unbearable.
Completely agree. I never considered an Auto until this car. It still bugs be here and there with quirks and awkwardness (mostly at low speeds) but you learn to drive it just like any other car.
Thank you bro I’m 15 never driven a manual and this is my dream car I was worried I couldn’t drive it for that reason this really helped to know that I can have it in automatic until I learn manual
It's hard to defend DCTs sometimes because 'hardcore' car people don't give it a chance. What they don't realize is that it can be just as rewarding as a manual transmission, although in a different way. Good DCTs feel like shooting a gun when shifting.
yea if you drive good in a manual you will be a god in a dct lmao
of course it's "rewarding". it's more reward for less effort. it's always gonna be faster, but it's never gonna be the same level of control and connection
Paddle shift has to be best for track cars, keeps both hands on the wheel and you don't have to heel/toe brake and accelerator so you can left foot brake all the time.
Best video on the DCT i have seen. I have driven two DCT's and would have felt better about them if i'd seen this video first. Thanks
Nice vid! They designed this transmission specially around this high revving beast of a motor, hints why I got is as well. After owning an e46 m3 with the SMG, e39 M5, and now this, I can say it's truly the best of both worlds. The only thing that drives me nuts is WHY IS 7TH GEAR SO SHORT?! UGHH. LOL
James Powell Jesus Christ the 7th gear is under used. I guess if you are on auto bhan and need to out run someone then the 7th is useful but in all other situations the car would be so much better if they geared 7th as an over drive with 6 close forward gears. there's no reason it needs to sit at around 3000 on the highway
3000 to this engine is 1500 to other engines, its a revving racing car ! , this will be to BMW what a 70's 911 Turbo is to Porsche , The E92 is just sublime in any form, one of a kind !
@@JendrixHimido you think the e92 with DCT will be a valuable car to own in the future ?
@@maziarzarea2540 Any E92 is and will be. Here in Australia they're still expensive
The primary reason why I purchased a B8 S4 instead of a DCT M3 (back in 2010) was because of the way the M3 sounded like it rode the clutch at parking lot speeds. I asked the sales guy if this was down to the ‘mode’ it was operating in, but he responded need that this was ‘normal’ 🙄. Did your DCT tune fix this?
Very good you're the only one that answered the question that I was looking for about SMG vs DTC it's basically the same with a few good upgradesmy main concern was the fact that it was going to act the same from a dead dig thanks man
The extra button down the accelerator option made me unlock new feature in my life . THANKS DUDE !! I notice it has on my mini too .. !!!!
I rented an F80 M3 with the DCT while on vacation in the PNW a couple of weeks ago and absolutely fell in love with it. I don't really want to get into another car that will have a fairly large depreciation in the next few years, and I've always always wanted an e9x M3. So I've been finding myself looking for an e90 DCT....
Just not sure I want to give up the xDrive for a daily, or drive the M3 in the winter. So maybe the plan should be to get the manual e9x M3, and then wait for the DSG Golf R's to come down in price to replace the 335?
I don't think people really understand DCT. The one car I have driven with a DCT felt fun!!
Straight forward, to the point, and very clear. Thank you.
What an amazing video...one day your channel is going to hit millions of subs...keep making videos like this and Good Luck Bro😊
Great vid. When parked you can hit the power button when in D and it'll put it in P.
stcshindo really?? i'm gonna try
I did not know about manual kickdown 😳🤣
If I can teach YOU something then I have definitely accomplished the mission of this video haha
Yeah I think they're still on summer tires. I have some people telling me to not take it out cuz the rwd system and others saying to just drive slow. I just don't want to end up stuck or crash my baby. I basically took an Uber to work and back home. Just waiting for the roads to clear out more. Thanks for the fast responses by the way.
Pressing accelerator @ every upshift = quicker smoother buttererrr
Good job! I've never driven one, although we've worked on many of them..
why the hate on DCTs? I drive a manual e46 but would love a DCT transmission. It shifts faster and you're controlling the shifts, unlike normal autos where you're just limiting the rpms.
How to drive DCT: step 1. Put in drive step 2. Drive to nearest BMW dealership Step 3. Trade for a manual
haha at least you're still getting a Bimmer in this scenario
IgnitionTube 🤣👍👍
That ignitionTUBE guy... geesh. What a troll! 😜
Lol no kidding 😐
andddd always be slower then, the DCT you traded
dont have a dct but thought this would be a cool video
I have the DCT in my 135i in regular drive mode it's laggy like half a second. I'll try the kick down and flick the down shift see if it drops to the lowest gear.
thanks very informative. Just bought an 08 e92. I didn't know about that downshift protocol from high speeds. Time to read my manual LOL
Not sure if this is covered, but the downshift to the lowest gear, apparently is only available in the LCI.I have a 2012 but when i replaced my gas pedal (due to faulty sensor) with a non LCI used pedal, that feature is no longer working.
My car is 2010 (pre LCI) and this feature was first shown to me on a 2009
Tedward hi. i'm pretty sure 2010 is an LCI. But regarding a 2009 with that feature i am not sure, eudm difference perhaps?
Tedward oh btw do you experience slow upshift occassionally especially after traffic jam slow drive?
Floor it and keep pushing..theres a click you'll feel at the bottom. That is the kick down button
ARTANSX I’ve experienced this as well, from what I understand there will be a delay sometimes as the dct has to guess or assume your next gear and if assumes wrong it takes a sec to readjust itself.
Great video! However, Bruhhhhh!! I can't believe you keep that sweet M3 so, so dirty lol.
daily driver dood! But i do clean her up from time to time =)
Hi from Western Australia, I am about to purchase my 4th E90/92 M3 , lol😱 this one was very jerky at times taking off with medium throttle input. It’s Had TA done , it’s tuned by turner because of test pipes but don’t know if it has had the dct GTS tune, can’t find evidence of it. It does have a sprint booster on it that was set to 3 when I drove it. appreciate any suggestions, thx
I'd be curious if the jerky nature is due to the transmission tune or the throttle tune. Do you find that very small throttle inputs result in abrupt revs in neutral?
Great tutorial! And awesome channel.. Subscribed!
Plenty more to come! Thanks Kevy
My m3 e92 paddle shifters stopped working… do you know why? They dont downshift or upshift…
I've had both e92s... I LOVE my DCT. Don't miss my manual for a second😬
question, I have never driven a manual transmission before. Would a DCT be easier to learn than a manual? So many cars that I like are either a manual or DCT, I am leaning towards DCT but I have never driven either.
DCT is almost exactly like automatic. The only difference is the quicker shifts and the no creep. DCT practically requires no learning whatsoever if you already know how to drive a torque-converter automatic. Manual will take a long time to fully learn.
@@brennanbastian2499 thank you for the info...much appreciated.
No P for Park? My guess when you switch off the engine it actually shifts to 1st gear just like what we do if we don't want the car to roll away (on manual trans).
It has a proper park. Actually if you shut the car off while it’s in gear it will go into P
@@TedwardDrives What actually occurs when transmissions go to "P"? Not sure but is there a way to shift to "P" on a e92 M3 DCT when the engine's running? I guess that's by design, who needs "PARK" when we have the E-brake. It irks me when i see cars shift to park in traffic, seeing the reverse light blink :)
Could u plz explain the five driving modes? Like D 1 D 2 D 3 and so on.
Google it, its a 2 min read
Hey great vid! Quick question. Today I’ve been getting a lot of transmission temperature warning lights today and the car would do weird things a before it got normal again. Any idea what it could be? My car is 2011 with 54k miles dct.
Ooo never seen this. First things I'd confirm is that there's fluid in the gearbox. If it throws codes read them. Best case is that you have a faulty sensor. Is gearbox software tuned? Best of luck and let me know what the resolution is
Drove an A4 with the DCT and didn't like it at low speeds. Not sure if it's better in the BMW, how's it compare? It looks cool in my buddy's M2 Comp, but he should've gotten the manual lol I like how you have to use the emergency brake and there's no park.
It has park. It does it automatically when you shut off the car.
@@TedwardDrives well yeah I mean there's no Park in the sense that it treats it like a manual when you have to go through a drive-thru or something. Youd have to engage the e-brake when the cars on. I didn't know you could just shut off the car though in neutral without the brake, that's really weird
Nice vids. I'm in the market for a 335is or z4 35i. Both are DCT.
Tedward, if you could do it all over again, would you still get the DCT? I have a manual and have always been a diehard manual fan, but this engine just seems to be built for a DCT given the power band and how much it loves to rev. I've been driving stick for 15 years, and this is the only car that I have ever questioned a manual in...
ahhh this is such a hard question to answer. The only thing missing from the DCT experience that I truly miss, is rev matching. The S65 is soooo light and smooth to blip. But that said, I think i'd still go DCT. It's an amazing box for the price point of the car.
Tedward Any interest in reviewing a manual someday? I'm stationed in VA right now but I'm a masshole originally...maybe at some point when I'm home again. Car is a 2010 6 MT stripper with basically no options (no iDrive), CF roof, IB on Black.
What is the kick down button at the bottom of the accelerator? @ 3:50 in the vid
What do the other buttons next to the shifter do? The one that says power, edc, and dsc (which is like traction control)
Power sharpens the throttle response. I think the nomenclature stuck around from the E60 M5 when it actually made an extra 100hp with the power button. No such luck on the m3! EDC is the electronic damper control. Each mode will stiffen the suspension more and more. when the lights are off it is in Comfort Mode. DSC is traction and stability control. This button only allows you to turn it on or off. MDM mode must be selected through the M button.
thanks for the instructions. very helpfull.
To go into Park you go into Neutral? on another video, in the M4 he said you don't and in fact it won't go into Park. I guess that's just a difference between M4 and E92?
It will also go into park if you turn the car off while in drive/gear
@@TedwardDrives Ah ok cool, I'll try that! thx buddy, fast reply
what's the difference between dct and smg? two clutches vs one?? Great video thanks!
what if i put the gear into "D" and turn of the ignition?
It will immediately go into park mode. I actually usually do this now
WTF is that annoying background bong sound, like you left your seatbelt off..
What other cars have the + and Minus reversed on the shifter? Like Push down to upshift(+). I only know the evo sst to have the +/- swapped aswell
may i ask? do i need to hold the brake pedal to change the gear? i am new at this :)
Yes you will need to hold the brake when selecting drive or reverse. Also the door must be closed (kind of annoying)
My car automatically starts in D2 and remembers my S mode velocity. Is this normal?
what about burnouts and hooning around?
Great video
Ive had mine for about a month and i have no idea how to turn on the lights on top of the rev counter. Can you help me out?
Just bought an E90 M3. How do you change shift mode from D to S? I'm asking because on the shifter it says D/S.
Congrats on the car! Just push the shifter to the right again, OR use the paddles. Both will put it in S (S is just manual mode). To get back to Drive, push the shifter to the right again.
@@TedwardDrives thanks! I see, I thought there would be an S Auto mode. I see now, it's just done via the toggle below the shifter.
In the traffic light should u put on N or just leave it in D1 as the car not moving in D ?
Leave it. It will disengage the clutch and be in neutral anyway.
Hi mate, i'd like to buy an e93 m3 but my knowledge is still so low of the modell. Now i own an e36 m3 and never gona sell it :) all of the e90 m3 came with manual or DCT or is there any other options? And any good advice where should i learn more of the modell?
Thnak you.
I just cant get it how to bring the gear down while driving in fast to reduce brake work with engine brake...just like from 7th gear to down quickly to 3th gear...that what i mean thanks before for the answer
When jacking or lifting E92 M DCT do you need top put in neutral with parking brake up or just leave it in P mode with ebrake up?
There's nothing in the manual in how to do it correctly. Anybody know???
just curious can you put it in neutral while driving ? like maybe holding both shift paddles same time.
Yes you can
Can the DCT handle as much power as a manual transmission.?
Awesome video. Can you elaborate on the difference between the M3 dct and the one in the 335is?
I have not driven the IS yet, but as far as I can tell, the IS allows for "creep" and I would imagine the tune for clutch engagement is different to adjust for the differences in torque. I will get you a better answer once i've driven the IS =)
Tedward thanks for the reply. The IS does creep. After watching the video I was scratching my head. I suppose the IS is tuned differently for a different buyer. The creep makes me wonder about clutch life for the IS. The shifting is much more similar to a regular auto than what's in the video. The IS has a sport mode, and the paddles, but does not have the shift intensity button. Another thing I have noticed is that when switching from R to D there is a noticeable delay as the gears change.
Besides s65 rod bearings and throttle actuators, cooling systems, valve cover gaskets, oil pan gaskets, etc, what else would you recommend to do a refresh please?
Motor mounts should be done while the bearings are being replaced..and otherwise you'd just do normal stuff like suspension bushings etc.
@@TedwardDrives thank you!
very good!!!! great m3!!
Humm, I guess the DCT is different in the F10 M5. It’s smooth and not klunky and it does creep forward if you let off the brake.
All comes down to software and how they program it to react
@@TedwardDrives To make m3 dct creep car creep along, gently jab and release the accelerator pedal and the car will move continuously and slowly forward without further intervention.
Awesome video!
Awesome content. I'm a car maniac and I have a channel on cars as well, and I have to admit that you're doing a great job.
I honestly prefer manual transmissions, but I do believe that at some point, you couldn't handle anymore. A DCT like in the M3 is a must, so you can focus more on the road, on drifting, etc.
Oh, and I use Chuki Beats as well.
Congrats, and keep working, buddy.
Hi
I have bmw m2 with dct,
After I using the shifters its not back again to D automatically, is it ok? Other gearboxes back to D…
When you hit the paddle it goes to manual mode. Just push the shifter to the right and it’ll go back to D
What’s a good intensity to keep the transmission at for just cruising and not put too much stress on the dct?
The highest setting or one below is what I’d usually use. The lower settings smooth out shifts and launches by slipping the clutches which creates more heat and wear
@@TedwardDrives thank you so much.
Went a dealership for an E92 M3 with a DCT transmission. And for the life of me, I couldn’t figure out how to put the trans back in park. Hence why i am watch this video. 😂
For the BMW DCT if I release the brake in automatic drive on a flat surface (not a hill) will I move forward or backward
You will not move until you apply throttle. It will not creep by releasing the brake
What are the upcoming or required maintenance for s65 dct transmission please? Please help me because I'm trying to get an e92 m3 in my country. Thank you
You just need to change the fluid and filter. If the gaskets on the pan, hoses, or mechatronics cover are leaking, those will need to be replaced. It is about 8 hours of labor to replace all of those items.
@@TedwardDrives thank you!
My 2011 335i e93 DCT is totally different...
Creeps... Has a Park button, that will take it out of sport when stopped. Pins the gearbox in Park, like a regular auto would...
If in sport, hitting the kick down switch gives you the lowest possible gear anyways, without having to use the steering shifters....
Guessing it's only the M that came with that DCT in the video?
It's the exact same hardware, just different software. For some reason BMW coded the DCT in the non-M cars to behave closer to an auto.
The ''creep" is artificial, it engages the clutch as you release the break. You'll notice if you release the brake quickly, it takes a second to engage the clutch before it creeps. If you try a regular auto you'll notice the difference.
I have a 335i DCT too, and I'm currently driving an auto 116i loan car while it's in the shop, lol.
What does the edc button do? What is it for ?
what is the difference with this dct (e92) and the dct 2009 (m5,m6) ?
is the same plug ?????
my m3 e46 2004 have the dct m5, m6
e46 has SMGII (smg 2). that was a single clutch system. e60 M5 had the SMGIII (smg 3 ) which was also a single clutch. e92/f10 use DCT which is the dual clutch. I do not know enough about DCT progression to tell you differences between models but overall the same gearbox is used for e9x/f10 and so on.
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The 2009 M3,M5 and M6 used SMG totally different transmission .
Your E46 M3 is a SMG Transmission
Is DCT hard to learn? Im about to get my first car a used bmw M3 or M4 and I don’t know much about cars
Not hard. You'll adapt to it quickly.
are you sure when you kick down for an instant gear lowering you need pull paddle shift as well?
yes. if you are in manual mode it will require a downshift
yeah actually it should do same thing without pressing on kick down button and downshifting.. kick down button should be active only in auto mode..
if you hit the kickdown button and pull the downshift paddle it will shift to the lowest possible gear...if you dont hit the kickdown button it will simply go to the next lower gear when pulling the paddle.
its weird that BMW simply didnt program it by clicking the kick down button for selecting lowest gear possible like in auto mode.. alright thx mate..
where is the kick-down button?
Hey quick question man I currently drive an f80 m3 and I was racing this nismo so I aggressively downshifted my dct transmission at high speed from 5th gear to 2 gear on the pway going at around 70 miles per hour could that break my trasmision ???
It puts stress on it so I wouldn’t make it a regular thing, but it can handle it
Can you accelerate while dsc is off ?
I've only driven manual. Is it difficult to adapt to? Im still thinking whether to get a dct or manual golf gti mk7..
The software for VW DSG is a lot more forgiving...it allows for creep when you let of the brake which is kind of nice. Honestly I prefer DSG in VW for one reason...The manual feels a little cheap. The car feels so tight and proper but then the gearbox is just a little tinny. The DSG keeps the whole package feeling premium. I'm sure some short shifter/bushing kit would help it out though.
I'm not seeing the extra button down by the accelerator?
You won't see it, but you'll feel it...with the car off, push the pedal to the bottom...then push a little harder. You'll feel the button click
@@TedwardDrives okay gotcha...thanks
Does it just have gas and brake paddles or does it have one more like in manual?
Just a gas and brake
@@TedwardDrives and you change the gear with those things on the side of the wheel?
Is this the Gear shift speed For m3 e92
0-40 km/hr Gear 1
40-80km/hr Gear 2
80-120 km/hr Gear 3
Nice vid tom
Thank You sir!
ik this is stupid but when you use the levers, do you have to let go of the gas to change gear or can u just keep it at like full throttle?
You can keep your foot on the throttle. You can play around a little to smooth it out like adding a little more throttle right after you downshift to make it perfectly smooth. But honestly it’s shifting so fast it doesn’t matter and you’ll stop chasing it haha
@@TedwardDrives ok thx for anwsering
hi, i have a question. for manual we have a foot clutch, dct how does it work in order to down shift an up shift,??
It's all automated...You just pull the paddles behind the steering wheel, or allow it to shift automatically (depending on which drive mode you choose)
On a E92 M3 DCT, I experienced some clutch slip in Auto mode when full throttle (Say from Gears 5 to 3). Takes about 1-2 seconds before it really gets going... Is this normal in a DCT Auto Mode?
Clutch slip is when the revs go up and the car goes nowhere. That’s very bad and you need new clutches. It sounds more like you’re just waiting for the downshift which is normal.
@@TedwardDrives The revs are actually climbing during that 1-2 seconds, but the car doesn't seem to be going any faster, just louder. Until about 5500RPM, then the car seems to really get going. Just wondering if its normal in AutoMode or a Clutch Slip... Car has no fault codes, fluids are fresh. Everything works as expected in Manual Mode. Hmm...