Did Daemon Just Drink Weirwood Paste at Harrenhal?
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- It looks like daemon might have just drank weirwood paste in house of the dragon season 2 episode 4. The weirwood magic on display at Harrenhal has been one of the best parts of the season for me and bumps up against a lot of the cool things we have talked about in the past.
I needed to get out my initial reaction to the weirwood potion that Daemon seems to have just drank and what it could mean. I really look forward to your reactions to this one and to seeing what effects this has on Daemon in the future.
Is this paste similar to the paste bran drank with the 3 eyed raven/crow and the children of the forest? I think the evidence says they are similar, but how much so remains up in the air.
Oh shit its the maester’s blood in the drink.
“Disappeared in the night” is that how she described it. Yeah right. Super sus
Aemond: speaks High Valyrian
Daemon: IS A High Valyrian
Don’t worry, Aemond will become a high Valyrian soon
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It was cool seeing someone "lose time" on screen the way they so often do in the books.
my thoughts exactly, it's so cool that they're actually doing this for HOTD.
Time travelling Bran has gone back in time to give him actual Jojen paste from the actual Jojen
I think one of the most interesting things about what happens is how we see, from Daemon's perspective, how he appears to "lose time"... he goes from taking a swig of the potion to immediately coming to his senses... some time the next day in the middle of an ongoing meeting? He doesn't just get sleepy, then stumble back to his room, and then have a groggy morning... he INSTANTLY loses a whole segment of several hours of his awareness... and this is VERY similar to the experience we have described in some situations in the main story, like with Cat sitting at her father's deathbed and losing a day, or even Doran Martell saying he needed to keep his mind clear for an important meeting only to then go fall asleep in the Water Gardens...
It seems like, perhaps this potion is something that preps a person's mind to BE "warged" rather than to BECOME a green seer per se... someone may be trying to prepare Daemon's mind to implant the seeds of something in him that they can use to control his behavior... it would certainly be an interesting twist on the Battle Above the God's Eye if Daemon was actually being mind-controlled by a third party to ensure an outcome that resulted in no Targaryen winning, directly over the Isle of Faces...
I like this theory except Daemon being controlled during the gods eye fight. It would take away from the entire situation which is Daemon Vs Aemond and all of the layers of depth that come with it.
My interpretation of the scene is that Daemon was hallucinating the entire time he was in the middle of meeting with Lords Strong and Blackwood (or Bracken, whichever) and came back to awareness in the middle of the meeting to realize the whole incident with Alys Rivers was just a hallucination.
@@extraplain2412 I do agree with that in general, I think the literary point of Daemon vs Aemond is how fundamentally similar the characters are, and it makes a neat externalized version of the characters' self-loathing aspects, which is completely undercut by the elimination of motive will from the character if they're mind controlled... but I can't think of another reason why the show would have added this detail in otherwise xD
Oh yeah, that's some Harrenhal blend Jojen paste. It was slick of her to lick her fingers while she talked to him especially because he's so touchy about poison. He drank it right up like a good boy.
That’s what happens when a witch enchants you.
I saw her mixing it last night and was like "...that's Weirwood paste." and then thought "I can't wait to see the video about this."
Larys mentioning that Daemon lacks the "faculties" to deal with Harrenhall and that it will sap away his resolve.... i think alys knows larys very well and has some personal reason to oppose him, as we see ser simon does. This combined with how sexually vulnerable aemond is makes me think his relationship with her may have had ulterior motives?
Ooh interesting. I never read the book but always wondered why Alys sided with Aemond to the point of getting pregnant. Is she just evil and wants destruction and why would she help Daemon at all.
I'd like to have heard Daemon briefly state why, after his suspicion the food was poisoned, he so readily accepted a dodgy draught.
I think both decisions are to preserve his ego. Eating the dinner would have meant accepting guest right and, more importantly for Daemon, accepting that his coup of Harrenhal wasn't a difficult or dangerous feat. I suspect he thinks he's risking his life for his lady wife and the honor of his dead brother, by single-handedly taking the battle to the enemy and infiltrating the greatest stronghold in the realm . . . when really he's left them vulnerable while he plays war hero because he's frustrated having to listen to his wife. He wasn't ready to admit his life wasn't at stake.
He's not afraid of being killed, he's afraid that his contribution to the war will be sharing mediocre meals with gormless men in a leaky castle. But also, he saw Alys lick her fingers. He probably thought the dodgy draught was either delicious, spooky but harmless, kinky flirting, or straight up blood magic . . . none of which are downsides in Daemon's book.
Does Daemon seem like the type of dude to EVER turn down free drugs?
Because he was enchanted. 😂
She a witch she enchanted him. Ser Simon can’t use magic to enchant people. He can only offer them mediocre peas.
I would assume that by this time (a fortnight after his arrival--2 weeks) he'd not be reluctant about the food and is eating by now. So accepting a "drink" "to sleep" wouldn't be so farfetched.
I thought the same thing. Simon was not threatening at all yet daemon refused his food. Alys told him he was to die in this place and he’s like sure I’ll drink up what ever your mixing together in this creepy place without asking what it was or giving it a second thought. Very strange.
Since Alys says in the previous episode to Daemon that he will die at Harenhall, could he die as the green seer for the trees at Harenhall? His body is never found according to fire and blood, so it could have been grabbed by the children of the forest. It would be a pretty depressing end if we see him being forced into a postion of power he never wanted after he did the same to Rheynera based on the visions.
Also not saying that everything has to be connected all of the time, but blood raven might run into Daemon if he is a green seer at Harenhall.
Daemon becomes the three-eyed crow before bloodraven on the isle of faces. He'll choose bloodraven as his successor (and sent him north).
Nah, he dies near harrenhall.
@@Anarkenny That would be so epic to see if they do adapt the blackfyre rebellions. Seeing Matt Smith back as Daemon years down the line would be amazing.
@@mori1bund he isn't a greenseer though
Weirwood magic makes a lot more sense when you see the Oden imagery from Norse mythology that George is using. I remember watching the Night King getting impaled on a Weirwood and saying "Oh he's Oden" haha. I think it applies to all green seers, especially Bran. David Lightbringer actually has some good videos on the topic.
There is a scene where Daemon gives a curious look at a goat. I thought that basically meant Daemon thinking "yeah I sure as hell drank some Goat blood". Maybe that's the sacrifice portion.
I think this is setting up Daemon surviving the Gods Eye battle. His body was never found, a detail Martin specifically added. Many people claim Daemon couldn't have survived the fall, but Caraxes did. The dragons could have been flapping and flailing enough to slow the fall for everyone, reducing velocity. Daemon could've washed up on the Isle of Faces and patched up by the Green Men or hooked up to the weirwood network, making him a predecessor (and potentially even mentor) of Bloodraven. He could still be there now. Watching. Waiting. But for what?
Of course, it's not a choice between Weirwood Paste and porridge: there's no reason why Alys' concoction couldn't be some other kind of magic potion. Indeed weirwood Paste might have regional variations just as cooking does. Maybe the COTF of the Riverlands mixed it with some local berry not available north of The Wall to make it taste better, or to give it some other characteristic.
Do you think Daemons dragon is also tripping its balls off?
LMAO, we need an entire episode dedicated to that alone
I thought Weirwood paste too - loved yours and David’s stream the other day mate, look forward to this next one your working on 👍🏻
I tought that at the moment, hours watching theories and symbolism paid off
daemon starts an epic blunt rotation with alice waters in ep 4 lmao
You think Alys meant "You will die in the place...unless you get out of HERE,and fight elsewhere"? Then maybe he goes down in the Godseye lake,where he survives to make it to the Isle of Faces where he gets welcomed like Bran,and gets his mind blown touching all the trees,forgetting who he is?
As soon as Alys said Daemon's bed was carved from a heart tree I was waiting for your video
First thing I thought off. But the bed being made of weirwood also makes him live out some crazy nightmares! Since the roots have been breaking through the walls of Harrenhal, the roots might connect to the bed?
More like the dead wood has Greenseer souls trapped inside. Bed made of Ghosts/Skeletons.
Breakbone paste
Manwoody Paste
More they talk about countless souls of dead in the trees is just straight up the Erdtree 😂
I think it's possible that the paste has a weirwood component in it. The question is why? What intention does Alys Rivers have in giving it to Daemon? Knowing what apparently happens between Aemond and Alys at a later date, I can't help but wonder why we are seeing these interactions between Daemon and Alys now. Is she trying to help, hinder, or harness the Targaryens? It definitely seems that she wants to manipulate in some shape or form - and, at a guess, it's to serve her own purpose. Note how we see Daemon running repairs on Harrenhal in the trailer to episode 5. Perhaps she just needs the assistance of 'a' Targaryen, and it doesn't really matter if it's Daemon or Aemond.
Oh - and I just have to add, the moment I saw Alys at her 'work station', I was reminded of the model of Valyria that Viserys built. Both are in a horseshoe shape, and it made me wonder if Alys is trying to 'rebuild her world' in some way.
A bit reminiscent of the House of the Undying, with the spooky potion tripping and the ambiguous motives. I'm sure Daemon and Aemond are interchangeable for her purposes, whatever they are. No idea if it's their status as princes, as dragonriders, as horny bad boys, or what.
I would love to see her do the EXACT same routine, beat for beat, with Aemond. He'd have different visions, but then she'd throw the same line at him and we start to wonder how many times she practiced this.
Alys is the the resident witch of the haunted castle. There’s no way she is here to help Daemon. She, like witches of myth, is fattening Daemon up spiritually before she feeds him to the castle. “You will die in this place”. His juiced up blood of the dragon will be an excellent sacrifice to the weirwood. People have a blind spot for the green magical faction (CotF, Green Men, Old Gods, Weirwoods, Wargs, Bloodraven, The Others, etc) believing them to be more benevolent than they are. They are fueled by human sacrifice and blood, every major holy event for them was a mass slaughter or orgy or both. Alys is of this faction and will want to absorb and consume Daemon.
Another super sus part about greenmen is their bringing down meteors (eldritch old gods like R’hllor the red comet, the Drowned God & the shadow by Stygai) in myths like the Hammer of the Waters, and the Grey King (a green man) worshipping the cult of the Drowned God.
Azor Ahai is not a good guy. Euron is gonna bring down R’hllor at Old Town and cause the long night. You heard it here first
He was tripping hard
I wonder if what happens to Daemon after drinking from that cup is the same thing that happened to Ned at the Tower of Joy? The way Daemon’s POV shows that he doesn’t even remember choosing to drink it, and his memory being wiped makes it feel like he just time jumps, reminds me of how Eddard recalls the events at the TOJ. Along w the his potential symbolic hallucinations and memories that don’t make sense (ie, tearing down the tower) and his unreliable narrator POV.
Tinfoil: Maybe the events that Eddard believes took place at the TOJ, actually took place at Harrenhal, and he’s just confused bc he was drugged w the same kind of stuff as Daemon, or bc he was experiencing weirwood induced visions/dreams.
Daemon is already a strong wargs...He and his dragon are closer then any other. His connection is stronger that's why they have show him and Caraxxe more then any other dragon n rider. They literally show him SINGING to a dragon and the Dragon reacted positively coming to him and not eating him. GRRM said Daemon was his favorite Targ... His death is far too plain for him he has a destiny to fulfill... The scene is just like Brans so I truly believe we have no idea of his true story...
I would not describe Daemon's death as "plain"
@@sblinder1978 yeah IK but it feels bad or unfinished because no one finds his body...His Dragon makes it to the shore before he passes... There's too much GRRM gardening present with all the Old Gods stuff, no body, Nettles disappearing, Daemon telling Lord Moutton this is the last time they will meet. I think Alice's child is his and Nettles has a connection to the children .. I hope GRRM said Daemon was his favorite Targ so there is a lot more in store for us at least
Nah, it's Acid:
Alys Rivers from HOTD
Alys D.
LSD
it's a tea made of Weirwood leaves , I'm pretty sure after looking closer. The boiler water doesn't fit the paste, there's no Jojen to sacrifice, and his experience has absolutely nothing in common with Brans. Daemon is seeing interpersonal visions which are not of the past or future. Bran sees clear visions of the past and present. And Of course Damon isn't sitting in a tree throne or being initiated as a greenseer, so there's no reason it would be paste. it's made from the leaves which you can see on the table
I thought of your video right away. it's very similar to Marwyn chewing leaves
@@DavidLightbringer Do you think Daemons Dragon is also tripping its balls off while Daemon is? (Since their bond is so strong)
Yep, the tea is a thematic stand-in for the paste. Alys wants to open Daemon's mind, but she can't connect him to the Weirwood net like Bran.
Daemon doesn't know about the song of ice and fire dream. Maybe the three eyed raven or the Weirwood trees are leading him to a path that aids the outcome we see in game of thrones.
Daemon's body was never found after the battle above the gods eye. At first you think they just couldn't find his body in the water but what if something happened to him. Precursor to Bloodraven or something?
That is extremely sus.
They were able to find Lukes clothes or riding cloak or whatever. After being eaten and the remains falling into the ocean.
Yet they couldn’t find anything of Daemon in a lake? Yeah, not buying it. Especially a lake with the isle of faces in the center. He’s probably on the island 😂
Could Alys be a parallel to the Night’s Queen and Aemon be Night’s King? After all Aemon does give his seed to Alys, and Harrenhal does seem to parallel the Night’s Fort
Aemond Vs Daemon is going to be made even more epic by having two fighting to become the weirwood champion/prince that was promised to destroy the white walkers.
I got the impression that she was just messing with him ,like Euron did to damphair in the forsaken , because she seems to know the content of his hallucinations/dreams . And Larys statements of hardtimes ahead for anyone who comes to harrenhal.
uninvited
Edit: also there where toad noises during the scene straight vvitchy things
Just found your channel the other day. great vids/theories!! Keep it up m8🔥
Dude I immediately thought it was Weirwood paste
Daemon is part Massey, through Alyssa ' Velaryon's own mother. Massey is a house of the First Men and since Daemon's parents and grandparents have been married to one another, as brother to sister, then he basically has the same Massey make up as Jaehaerys. The paste could very well awaken any greenseer ability that he may have. That would be interesting if they go that route. Could he even be the one that teaches Bloodraven? Could be or not. It's fun to think about, though.
So is it possible that Daemon is in the Weirwood net now? Perhaphs specifically in the Harrenhall weirwood?
It certainly helps explain the Ghost of Harrenhal. It’s the old gods and all the green seers who once live near the Isle of Faces
Im so pleased ive found your channel. Your essays are really original and you talk about alot of the things i've always wanted to be investigated. Great work
I wish right before showing Daemon dreaming in this spisode and running into Alys they showed a parallel scene with say, Alycent talking with her maester as he's brewing potions, to show this is a normal interaction for him to run into a maester stand-in who makes the Good Shit and knows more than regular staff. It would go a ways to explain why he doesn't suspect her of drugging him (with more than he bargained for) and trusts her tonic immediately. A little bit of editing show don't tell goes a long way to sell the audience on the circumstances.
I'm wondering if there's multiples types of weirwood pastes.
A basic paste that temporarily opens the mind to hear the trees, and an advanced paste that causes a permanent change unlocking someone's abilities.
Person of royal blood ( Daemon, Bran) must magically/ spiritually MARRY the LAND to be a legit king.
This is a really really old idea GRRM lifted from pre Christian Europe.
I was thinking that maybe the weirwood bed could also be relevant, Jamie had some strange dreams when he slept on the weirwood stump 🤔
I think it is a second level or third level initiation into Green magic.
The souls are still present in the very building materials that make up the castle? I never thought about it like that
In the preview for the next episode, Alys says to Daemon “you were meant to wear a crown”… which or what crown is she referring to? Didn’t greenseers kindof have a crown of wierwood roots or something? If the potion needs blood, well what happened to the black goat the camera panned slowly over? 🤔
Or she's just stating Daemons desires aloud to him.
That doesn't sound like her voice
Yes, it was an Initiation!
This is what I thought when I saw her making it.
It’s defiantly a weirwood past drink, it has thick chunks and a liquid. She’s even wearing an apron with weirwood leafs on it for Gods sake.
Yeah bro, and Daemon straight up died and came back. He is a Last Hero stand in, receiving visions from the trees/old gods are the "gifts from the children". Notice he is now wielding an axe and his hair is more messy and wild. He is ready to oppose the night king and do some symbolic tree chopping.
I think his fight with Aemond at the gods eye is what poisons the weirwood net
I love how Daemon didn't wanna be "felled by poison peas" but this Weirwood paste is fine💀💀
If eating weirwood paste gives you weirwood guest rite all your theories are looking reaaaaaal strong
It would be an interesting turn for someone as selfish and dismissive of magic as Daemon to become a greenseer and spend over a century protecting Westeros without anyone knowing, and I've felt that is story in the show would end up being far more magical after his violent response to hearing about the Song of Ice and Fire. But later developments with Alys especially make me doubt that is what she has planned.
Is Alys trying to pull a Rhaegar on the Targaryens? Like, Rhaegar abducted Lyanna around Harrenhal and presumably seduced her into having his baby to fulfill the prophecy, but in the Dance, Alys, this supposedly dangerous witch, lets herself gets pregnant by Aemond. I don't remember if there is any evidence that the same could have happened when Daemon held Harrenhal, but the show seem to be implying that she wants something from him, yes, could that something be the same that Rhaegar wanted from Lyanna?
I have a gut feeling Jojen is around somewhere.
What do you mean?
@@winteriscoming3583 isn’t there a little Jojen in all of us?
Who does one win to one's side? Why, a spouse!
What I don't get is why he just went ahead and chugged a drink given to him by a woman who recently told him he would 'die in this place.' Like, wouldn't you at least ask what it's supposed to be before taking a sip?!
He sure did .. the goat was probably used as it’s contents. 🐐
It's weirwood in my head. Maybe the goat fed the tree.
I think the paste gives the consciousness of the old gods strapped in the trees and in the wall access to the body of the one eating it, however the one eating it must have a certain blood line. This is how the old gods are immortal.
Like...
Blood raven isn't actually the original blood raven , he's the access point between the old gods and bran and the old gods are done with blood raven cause his body is useless so now they will need bran's body to function within the world. Same goes for any other chosen ones that drink the paste ... Drinking it is a sacrifice in itself to the old gods . Bran sacrifices his body to the old gods just like blood raven probably did before him . This is what gives them immortality within the humane life & world. ... 🤔🤷
Daemon the 3 eyed crow before bloodraven? He disappears after his flight above the gods eye, presumed dead. Perhaps he actually joins the werewood-net and is Brendon Rivers predecessor 🤔🤔
But is Caraxes also tripping balls?
I was wondering the exact same thing except we are shown that it was just a dream (or a hallucination) and he's really in the middle of a conversation with Lord Strong and Lord Blackwood. Or Bracken. Whichever it was. My interpretation of the scene is that Daemon was hallucinating the entire time and the whole incident with Alys Rivers was just a hallucination. I also think Larys Strong is orchestrating the entire thing through his greenseer abilities and connection to weirwood magic (see Joe Magician's channel for this theory).
I wonder how your take has changed on this since the last episode? I think we're still only being shown bits of the truth but I do think they made it clear that when he talks to her, that aort is real.
We've never seen a Weirwood flower, fruit, or nut. Weirwood "seeds" are people. Maybe Children of the Forest (which, what would tree seeds be, if not "children of the forest"?), maybe humans or giants, but definitely people.
Exactly what i was wondering
My question is what does Alys have against Daemon? Giving him nightmares like that
He drank shade of the evening
Isn't shade of the evening blue?
Look, I don't know what the stuff was. I just hope that before this show winds up we get to see Aemond or Daemon have a vision of the Tree of Kings like in The Northman. I don't even care if they steal it shot for shot. I just want to see everybody from Aenar and Aegon the Conqueror and Meager all the way up to Aegon V and maybe even an Emilia and Kit cameo at the very top, all hanging from the tree in full plate with the various princes and princesses and assorted Dragonseeds on its gnarly branches.
If they do that, I'll forgive that dumb thing from S2E3 where Rhaenyra and Alicent have the exact same dream that Rhaenyra snuck into King's Landing. And yes, I'm considering that some kind of wacky Weirwood dream. I cannot stand the thought that the writers would actually have put that awful scene in the show otherwise.
Was Alys making herself the drink when Daemon showed up and figured she could make another one after giving it to him? Or did she know he was coming and started preparing it earlier?
I think this is the beginning of Daemon facing all of his sins and he will complete his arc by fighting for Rhaenyra and not for himself when he defeats the "real" bad guy, Aemond.
Wait the only thing im understanding is leif gave daemon tree juice 😅
By that I mean only the children of the forest know how to make the special concoction, unless Alice rivers knew or have been taught by the children
Wasn't Jojen I'm guessing.
Bran warged into Deamon whilst eating Jojen paste and gave him a DMT trip from across time.
You can't "make someone a greenseer", but I think the drink could help make Daemon more attuned to the language of the Old Gods. They often speak in visions and riddles so much so that even those with the gifts can barely (if at all) understand them. And to take someone like Daemon who doesn't believe in this gobbledeegook at all, it might help make him believe.
Wierwood seeds‽ Are they ever seen? I think we only ever see mature wierwoods and dead wierwoods.
Any chance that those seeds are a darker thing than common tree seeds?
Perhaps whose blood is used is important. Since kings blood is good for blood magic.
nah that was jojen
The potion Benjen made too right? With rabbits blood.
I think it is weirwood paste made from the previous maester.
wierwoods dont have flowers so prob dont have seeds, however weirwood seeds -dragon seeds?
the blood of that magic?
There was no Jojen in the Weirwood paste Alys made so it is weaker than the paste Bran was given.
Why did he drink it without a clue what it was? DUMB move, Daemon!
You don't actually see him drinking it.
So Daemon is drinking a human slurpee?
Didn't the maester disappear in the middle of the night?
I think Brans drink is different since he's meant to be the 3 eyes raven, and what Daemon is given is just meant to let him see more. They did kill ("") a green seer for Brans smoothie, and it doesn't seem like Daemon got the same unless Alys did it without us knowing.
Daemon's body was never found. He could become the three-eyed raven before bloodraven.
@@mori1bund I know (think?) this isn't what you meant, but you made me think of the idea of "time-traveling Daemon eats his own body to become a Green Seer" and I can't decide if I love that or hate it xD
@@JimRFF definitely not what I meant. 😁😁
Now I'm thinking, what if Bloodraven is Daemon living on through him and now living on through Bran?
Wed one tree and bed the other
I think its a diluted version of the paste. Like sort of watered down.
Neat.
So . . . peas bad, cup of red chunky stuff good. Daemon's spidey senses are a bit off.
I don't think he was quite with it when he accepted the drink
JOJEN PASTE
if your going to trip take a friend with you....=) i never like the jojen paste theory. so imo its weirwood paste that gets the job done.
Any thoughts on how it might affect his bond with Caraxes?
It might start making him hallucinate about his ancestors inside of Caraxes
Is hotd good and worth consuming? Is it adapted from a book or written as a prequel to the show canon?
The show is based on the prequel books written by George. Its a good show
@@CamillaDrakenborg sick, I'll watch it then, thanks
It's pretty good. You don't lose much by giving the first three episodes a watch
Dare I suggest: Blackwood paste?
Can you explore the idea of Sansa possibly being a bastard of Little Finger? I can't believe people still doubt this idea. The first book pretty much spells it out. Caitlyn is also shown being a warg, which is how Sansa is still a warg, even though she isn't a Stark.
"We need to talk about it."
............No, we don't "need to talk" about anything.
werid comment dude
@@SourHog Like, how is it? This youtuber is just another clickbaiter who says "WE NEED to talk about x-y-z", when WE don't NEED to do any such thing. Like, these youtubers should only speak for themselves and not engage in click bait.
@@JynxedKoma I don't think you know what click bait is
@@SourHog It's very apparent you do not.
The content is great. Who cares?