The reason Snap isn't one of the biggest games on mobile right now is purely because of the boneheaded way it handles aquiring cards. Why don't they understand this?
I actually don't believe it would be that big even if acquiring cards was better. The Marvel name carries this game so hard and I'm unsure how many people actually consider that. I put up with a ton of bs from monetization to lackluster gameplay simply cause I like Marvel. I like learning about characters I never knew about, I like seeing characters I forgot about, and I love seeing my favorites. The same exact gameplay with random original characters instead of Marvel? Dead before it even hits year 2. This game has a multitude of issues.
The first card that was changed for monetization was Mobius during Loki season. He had been nerfed so more people would buy Loki, and then when they were releasing his summer bundle for like 60-80$, they buffed him and people started calling them out. Glenn said "we would never make balance changes for monetization"
The first obvious change in favor of monetization was when they changed their regular series downgrade cadence in the first year to leave Darkhawk in series 4. Shortly after, they released a bundle for a variant of him. That was when I took an 11 month hiatus from the game. Came back thinking they had “fixed” things, and oh boy was I wrong 😢
They also said microtransactions were only going to be used to unlock cosmetics when the game was announced. And then it turned out you only get new cards when you unlock cosmetics...
Yeah and they just do it every season apparently: kitty pride nerfed to encourage players to buy the new Elsa Bloodstone in the pass; or that random symbiote spiderman buff for no reason whatsoever. I hate whoever balances this “game”.
It sucks man I love this game but I feel so burnt out. I feel like I’m just playing to stay afloat to not miss out on progress towards a key. Been playing since March ‘23
Been playing since June ‘23. I share the exact sentiment as you. Pokemon Pocket has taken my time for mobile card gaming but I really hope snap rebounds.
I haven't bothered with my alliance for 3 months, a little surprised I haven't been kicked. Even if I am though, I won't be joining another, like you said the rewards suck for the effort you put in.
I quit last month due to the Alliance rewards. I ran a successful alliance getting the final reward every week. The issue I had was how much I needed to play to get there. Snap was a favorite of mine due to how fast I could get my dailies done, then play more when I get time. Alliance bounties made me have to play a lot with my limited time and I couldn’t do other things. I kept hanging on because I had a high collection level and didn’t want to fall behind by taking a break. I went ahead and cut snap early November and it’s been great. The time I was using on it I am now able to spend on a lot more things.
I gave up on alliances. My group has a casual and a competitive one. I was asked to join the comp team but after the first 3 alliances, the grind for 2 borders or a variant was a joke. If tokens became a reward it would be so much better. They also should let your re roll a token shop card rather than wait for a reset. Make it like 100 credits first time and double it each re roll, and then reset that when the shop resets naturally
Took me a lot of effort and willpower but I un-installed a month ago 😢 Im a huge marvel fan and love this game but its too much of an investment if I dont constantly throw money at it and its gotten so greedy :(
It's called FOMO, fear of missing out, it's how most gacha games keep you hooked and playing. The golden rule is: if the game isn't fun for you, just quit, no matter the money and the time you spent. I've quit 4 months ago and i've never made a better decision in my gaming life.
I haven't uninstalled but I stopped playing. Got into a Factorio binge and if I can't or don't want to play enough Snap to keep up, I'd rather not play at all. Between normal daily missions, conquest, alliance missions, and now Deadpool's Diner again, it's just way too much forced engagement. I could get back into the game if they significantly improved card acquisition and dropped a lot of the systems forcing you to play all the time. But that will never happen, these games just tend to get worse until they die. Oh well, was fun while it lasted.
You could give LoR or Pokemon TCG if you need to scratch that itch. The first one for the charactets and the Gameplay, the second one for the collection and IP
My girlfriend just got to CL1000 and asked me to help her play some games in diner for rewards. She got matched up against several people with 15k-20k collection level with meta decks full of series 5 when she's barely into series 3.
I had the same experience and it really turned me off. Coming from hearthstone, it was a lot easier in that game to get specific cards to make a competitive deck. In Snap, running dailies for a week I get not even one new card I can use.
You've perfectly articulated every issue I have with the game and it saddens me that I might actually quit playing after 2 years. Hopefully this video gets seen by the right people.
The moment they decided Series Drops would stop being consistent due to Darkhawk and Knull being next in the pool, was the moment they had a canon event
I’ve only missed 6 months of content since the game came out and I’m so far out of the meta that it’s discouraging. Back in the day it was fair to grind the game and still be competitive. Now it’s impossible to keep up.
Exactly. Take any time off at all, and it costs literally thousands of dollars to catch up. That cannot be healthy for a game like this. You're basically ensuring that you will never win back any customer who takes a frustration break.
What frustrates me the most is that they nerf older cards that play well with newer ones just to force you to buy the new stuff: this in turn makes your older decks useless. I used to run a discard deck a few months ago, it revolved around dracula, morbius, apocalypse and daken, now you basically can't play a discard without corvus and proxima, it's embarrassing.
Tbh they are not even doing "evenly" distribution of cards in those caches, for example x-23 was arleady in cache few times and there are some good s4/5 cards which wasnt been in cache for a looooong time becouse those are soild cards and they use those as token bait. SD is greedy and scumy af so far. Also they tend to realise overtuned season pass cards and then nerf it to oblivion after season ends... Letting them to nerf cards without any compensation was the worst thing snap community did.
They are doing the correct distribution to make as much money as possible. Look at next month : all series 4 in caches. All cards that everyone and their mother has. Insane
The only time they have ever gutted a season pass card is Elsa. All others were small nerfs to cards that were the most broken card in the game (AV, Surtur) and are now top meta contenders. Sometimes they even buff bad season pass cards later (symbiote spider man). You can hate the game, no bad blood. But you don’t have to lie to intentionally make the game worse than it is.
On top of everything else, I hope the developers understand how deranged and needlessly complicated all this has gotten. I don't even play Snap, and whenever I hear about how card releases work, I just think "how is this better or simpler than just doing packs of cards like a normal game?"
The fact that they actually stated that High Voltage wasn't a good mode despite the ENTIRE community loved it's praises, shows they don't care. The fact that they active made fun of valid criticism within doodle their preferred mode, DPD, shows they don't care. The fact that they knew 2 years ago that the iceberg of the pools oversaturation and terrible card acquisition and STILL have done nothing meaningful about it, proves that they don't care. Well, after slowly playing less and less, after December, if SD continues to show that they don't care, I'll be done with Snap, and I won't care.
Show me when they said that? You are putting words in their mouth that were never said. A designer said that they thought the mode is too little focused on winning. Stop needlessly sensationalising nuanced criticism and communication from the devs. If people like you keep intentionally misconstruing their communication, then they will simply stop saying anything. Switch over to yugi-oh if you want the company to make baffling decisions without any rhyme or reason, just complete silence.
It wasn't a good mode. DP dinner is a far better gameplay experience if you actually enjoy competitive play and don't want to just press the win button. It seems a lot of people that play this game are not really looking for a skillful experience and just want to durdle through games without thinking..
@@batmanwins5701wtf are you on about? A gamemode that rewards creative deck building and kooky interaction, making cards that are never played viable again vs marvel snap but you have a energy bar ala old shitty mobile games
Ultimately, Second Dinner have just totally lost sight of the fact that to make money they also need to deliver an enjoyable game. They have a small window now in which to get that back (if it’s not too late already), or else they’ll have neither game nor money.
I was a closed beta player. My BIGGEST complaint is at one point I ended up with 2 of the same kory vaariants, and when I asked them to fix it they told me to kick rocks. I have a screenshot of one of the devs telling me i would negatively impact the release schedule over it. Eventually i was given 400 gold for my troubles, but they never fixed the duped variant.
I been playing snap since end of 2022. Collector lvl 22K. Took a break during Pokémon TCG pocket soft launch. Haven’t been back since. I didn’t realize I was coping to try and keep up with S5 cards. Fun, yes, but the feeling of keeping up got to me. I haven’t really played since TCG pocket dropped. Pocket does make you appreciate snap’s graphics, but I feel more chill on pocket.
Great explanation. I’m given them until character mastery and if it’s another misfire I’m more than likely dropping the game. I’ve been collection complete since the summer of 2023 and I’m really getting tapped out. SD is among the most disrespectful devs I’ve ever seen. I’ve been saying it for well over a year now that everything they do is from a monetization perspective. Simple things like a shop that has all the variants that are older than a year so that you could buy them at your leisure and don’t get me started on the bullshit that is the collectors vault.
I played Snap from its launch until the time they introduced Thanos/Kang/ tokens system- something like this. I enjoyed it, i supported it (season pass, here and there skin and some bundle). With the introduction of S4/S5, the tokens system and how you acquire those, i decided it's my time to go from the game- adding new cards with low chance of getting them from reserves and almost none chance to get those big hitters ala Thanos/Kang (though i was supporter of the idea to have ATLEAST really big bad guys like Galactus/Kang in different series) and the writing was on the wall, kinda- add constant new cards in S4/S5, stop dropping cards or drop cards once every few months, then balance problems will shows up.. I just stopped playing it and buying Season passes and such. I think card drops should be atleast once every 2 months- thats like 10 cards that could be nerfed/buffed depend where are they and how much they are played- either by increasing or reducing their energy/points and to see how it'll be played in the new tier.
I had the same journey. Played from launch to around a couple months after they dropped the S5 thing and quit after I realized this game becomes a job if you want to keep up.
I'm just glad I stopped playing this game by that time. Btw, I had Kang, It was pretty bad. Thanos was also quite bad. I know they buffed him, but until the day I stopped playing, Kang was the same.
I literally saw this coming when it first launched. I used to play with my group of friends and I noticed how they were advancing faster than I was when we all started at the same time. Only thing we did different was buying the season pass. I never bought it since I was suspicious about it. It was strange to me how season pass buyers got an “exclusive” card. I was right because a majority of the time this “exclusive” card was the META! I know these cards eventually became available for everyone but by that time a new season had already started and the META would change all over again! As soon as I saw this pattern repeated I stopped playing and lost all interest. I’m surprised it took this long for everyone else to start noticing the cash grab behind this company!
Great video mate! I agree with everything you said! Snap definitely needs to do something drastic to turn their ship around and they need to do it fast. The fact they've already announced another series drop for early next year makes me worried that we won't hear or see anything about a change to card acquisition until some time after that. Also, I posited a similar idea to your tree idea but instead have archetypal themed card packs you can open (because it's a card game and opening packs is synonymous with card games!)
Thank you for your voice, Spyro za. Now I am wondering if there is any Marvel Snap Contents Creator who is on Marvel Snap Dev side. Which I believe there won't be none, so.... SECOND DINNER LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS!!!
Every content creator I hear, is against the current card acquisition and we know they all, out enough money in to have every card so it doesn't effect them but they want a better experience overall, to keep players paying the game because it's literally their job. The spotlight system works best for newer players who don't have or barely have series 4 or 5 cards. Like I'm 5 cards from collection complete so most weeks I'm only going for the new card but with only 2 to maybe 3 keys so there's always a chance I can whiff and not get anything new. They need to find a way where it works for new players and veterans alike. (I've been playing for almost 2 years.)
Yeah the fomo got me hard, lots of decks and videos of decks saying that some card might be passable, then becomes meta, or a card should be good but then not
Marvel Snap is the only game I have on my phone and I still have absolutely no urge to play it. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything when I know I definitely am(Marvel Snap wise)
I think I discovered a Fundamental Truth about Marvel Snap- the game is only “fun” when the player doesn’t and/or doesn’t have to engage with it for a prolonged period. The moment a Mission or Event forces the player to play for a prolonged period, the player discovers how the gambling mechanic of Snap, and it’s RNG, is super annoying. In SNAP, the goal is not really to play the game “for the love of it;” rather the goal if towards progression, either through the Ladder or completing the Mission or Event. So it is not really about “staying in” and just playing. In this way, the more the RNG or the game mechanics add some factor that frustrates a player’s progression, the player becomes angry and burnt out on the game. Ultimately, SNAP needs to be less a competitive “gambling” type of game- and just be more of a typical card game which lets players have the decks they want and the competition comes in pitting decks against each other rather than “gaming for the meta.”
Which “typical” card game lets their players have the decks they want? I was free to play in HS for years and at most I was able to craft ONE deck from the new expansion on its release. Even when I started spending hundreds I was missing large chunks of each expansion. LoR is the only game that handed free to play players all relevant cards and they WENT UNDER for it. You can criticise Marvel Snap for using a different system, but let’s not pretend they give you less cards than other card games. All successful card games do not let their players get the decks they want, so that they spend more money.
@@tinminator8905it’s true,but I think other card games let you build stuff more freely,in most card games,you can dust cards or choose which cards to get by pooling from packs or crafting them,SNAP doesn’t have this,instead you get what you get,if you want to build discard and you got like either bulk or cards for entirely different archetype,you have to suck it up.Obv I’m not saying other card games let you build anything,but they offer you more options,making budget deck in master duel(for example)is far easier than making budget deck in SNAP
I've been free to play since release and every month I complete the free season pass rewards. I'm still missing a HUGE majority of the higher series cards
Been saying for a while that if they added a hefty chunk of collectors tokens to the weekly max chest it would help acquisition a lot. Maybe 1000 tokens for the final weekly chest. Or 1000 over the course of hitting the weekly max chest. 1000 sounds like a lot but it’s basically a guaranteed series 5 every month and a half when they are releasing 4 per month. Or it would help finish series 4 with 1 card per month which would feel a hell of a lot better than this.
Actually, there are bots in DD, but most of them got evolved in the higher table. The evolved bots have all collection cards, running the most popular decks in the current meta (like the Gorr-Negative, Thanos-Surtur, MoonKnight-Darkhawk decks), not just using the basic Avatar and English name, and even have Guilds. So if you don’t pay attention, it’s really hard to recognize if your opponent is a bot or not, especially when you’re under the pressure of losing all bubs in DD. The evolved bots still follow the same logic of stupid bots - they will read your play, try to get prio before T5, but lose prio on T6 for losing you the match. And then they will retreat if you SNAP on them. But since the deck they’re using are the most popular decks in the current meta, you’ll feel lots of pressure when playing against them (because you can’t recognize from the ID, Avatar, or Guild), so most of time you might end up retreat before them. It’s a really evil design!
Great video. I appreciate the look at sentiment. It’s like the players’ sentiments are seen as something different that the customers’ sentiments. And it’s something I honestly don’t understand. When you make money solely by getting people to give you their money, they need to be priority one.
I'm a new player and recently got to the leaderboard I would like to applaud Marvel Snap for being the first digital card game to properly recreate going from playing in a friends group/locals to going to a big event and getting destroyed by cards and decks you've never seen before. Went from long play sessions to only logging in to finish dailies to slowly build up my cards and finish the battle pass.
I was first frustrated with snap because when I started, I played on PC and there was a bug or something where events didn't show up on PC. I realized this when I tried playing on mobile and there were suddenly events available. That was frustrating but I decided to keep playing and eventually I collected a sizable collection. I was doing reasonably well on the ladder for a while until silver surfer came out and I felt there were serious problems with the game's monetization. The silver surfer combo deck was just incredibly unfun to play against and it wasn't possibly to counterplay with the cards available to me at the time. The worst part was that it wasn't possible to get silver surfer at the time without spending money which means people could actually pay for a competitive advantage. That set me on my path to quitting the game.
The most frustrating thing is they limit farming you can only get credits by completing missions and after you complete all weekly mission theres no reason to play the game
I'm so encouraged to hear people finally voicing this, give hope that it might be improved. Or the game completely dies and that's problem solved in it's own way. For me it comes down to this, far too much of the player base miss out on far too many meta decks, you can slice it up however you like but it comes down to that. All the symptoms of the collection systems lead to that, all players don't need all the cards, but all players should have better agency over which cards they pick and should end up being able to play a good chunk of the decks of the day, I get about half the season passes and it's most common for me to not have the collection to make any of the dozens of decks I see recommended each week, on the rare occasion on I have a couple to actually CHOOSE from, omg, being part of the game is so much more fun.
Snap feels like its in the stage where its milking its remaining fan base. I feel like ive seen this in rainbow 6 siege and apex legends. Basically no new players and a slowly declining player base, they try and milk their base which accelerates the leave for other and then just gets more expensive for the remainers.
Is a shame Glenn said that about High Voltage. That was the most fun I have had in a long time. I have been playing snap for quite a while so I am getting the cards I want, mostly. I don’t unlock every card every week in the spotlights, so I do have a decent amount if keys to save while waiting for new cards I want. Usually I open at least half of the spotlights a month. I do the season pass each month, and occasionally buy a cheap bundle, like $5-$15 at most.
Came back after around 4 months (during Fenris week) realise I've missed Malekith, and want to buy it for decks. I have been waiting over a week now, and still no Malekith in my shop. I would really like to see more than one card offered, at each reset each day. So we would be getting offered 9 cards a day, instead of 3. They also need to do something about album variants, flooding the variant shop. I have been waiting for the Shavrin - Monkey variant for over 14 months now. The same stuff shows up, over and over again, and you're lucky if you see 1 or 2 none album variants, every 24 hours. And similar to pool 5, the album bloat, which means more variants taking priority in the shop. Unless you buy the variant the day it comes out, it might take years for it to show up for you.
The card progression system worked pretty well in the early days. But it just isnt feasible for a new player to catch up and make decks anymore. The resources are too scarce and the cards dont come often enough
I reach Infinity every season, play limited time events, max out my personal Alliance bounties and (shamefully) buy the season pass (only the base version) - and I am still falling way behind and absolutely cannot keep up with the Meta changes.
The crazy part is most players dropped the game before they got to series three so they're never gonna deal with these issues. Most likely why their monetization is so aggressive. You unlock stuff so slowly that even if you see a cool streamer doing something neat and want to try the game you go into a month long tutorial before you can even start playing. Never has an unlocking system in a card game made me wish for packs till this one
I started playing at the end of October. I’m at Collection Level 1100ish. I throw money at this game here and there to get access to some competitive cards so that I can enjoy game time. I have a Wodin Deck with an alternative curve to Ultron and I like it. I look at deck builds online and recognize I don’t have access to really good cards. The “throwing some money” thing is becoming less the more I understand the monetization. Groceries and health insurance keep going up, leaving me less monetary freedom for digital trading cards. I’m here because I miss playing TCGs. But my TCG experience showed me that they always, eventually, become too expensive to keep up. Unless something changes, my time here might be short.
The skill tree idea sounds great. I love discard but I still don’t have cards like Gambit or Dracula, meanwhile the last card I unlocked was Adam Warlock 💀
I’m a new Marvel Snap player I just started around this year around March, and I gotta say leveling up and getting new cards feels like a chore now.. I’m currently in series 3 CL 1258 and love playing Move Decks, and I’ve been in series 3 for about 3-4 months now. At first it was a pretty smooth grind to climb up, and I saw that series 3 had a pretty big pool and I was ok with it cause I was enjoying the game. Then they introduced the collectors reserves and that completely ruined everything. Every single time my collection level increases and I have to pray that I get an actual card and not credits, or a variant, or even boosters! It’s made the climb so much more tedious and frustrating. And what’s worse is I climbed up to Vibranium and I just get completely stomped by meta decks because my deck is still a fairly basic move deck. If they could just implement giving series 3-4 cards a bit faster in the lower ranks it would make the climb a lot less tedious.
Yeah forcing you to do unfun quests with bad decks really is burning me out aswel. I've been playing this game since release, so card acquisition isn't a big problem, i usually have enough keys to get the cards I like. But it is abit annoying that with every month they have to release some OP cards so people buy the season pass. I also didn't mind the deadpool diner very much, but I don't have infinite time. So because i wanted to alternate art card, I didn't have the time to climb the ladder to rank 100 or play conquest enough for the face card that season. Which is a bummer. I'd love if they delay the next season if they plant one of these big time consuming events.
Yeah it’s unfortunate to see because I was full on addicted to snap and spent quite a bit of money on cosmetics and such. The odd balancing and rate of card acquisition has been pushing me away for a while but Pokémon Pocket coming out and being much more generous and generally feeling like less of a chore to play has been the death nail for me. I’ve spent about $30 on Pocket and am only missing two base cards. Compare that to Snap where $30 might get you 1 new card if you buy a bundle with good value, it’s a no brainer that it might be time for me to step back.
I quit the game two months into official launch because I saw where the monetization of the game was headed, despite everyone saying I was crazy to complain. Checking in two years later, I think I made a great decision back then.
They should just monetise variants, not gatekeep cards. This is getting ridiculous, not to mention the store prices, I still remember that mechanised death variant selling for 100 bucks…
As someone who's been playing snap since the game came out. I miss like three season passes just cuz of life stuff. But it's very obvious that there's one huge problem: The monotony and redundancy that's the collection level track. Things like titles and avatars and credits shouldn't be in there it should be cards variance or tokens that's it. Things with tokens cost so much and nothing nothing gets cheaper right?.
I got to collection level 2400 before burning out cause despite playing that many hours I can't build a wide enough variety of decks I would like to have to switch between. When new card unlocks became rng it started feeling more and more awful. Shame cause the gameplay is so fun and quick and lots of strategy.
I'm glad more content creators are being vocal. I think enough is enough when it comes to the way they treat the player base. People are just fucking fed up with the drip feeding and false promises. The tree idea you brought up is actually great but the caches would need to contain cards again. If they want to fix the game, series drops need to happen every week like they stated, dupe protection has to be in place on spotlight caches, and chest on the track need to go back to containing 600 tokens. Make your money selling cosmetics and not cards.
I stopped playing as soon as I started getting reserves instead of caches, because I just stopped getting cards when i was barely getting any to begin with, but I still watch some people play because it is fundamentally a good game
I personally quit about 2 years ago, had been playing since launch and pouring money into their predatory monetization model. One day I decided I had had enough and stopped playing the game in outright rage. I absolutely LOVED the gameplay but why did they have to make their card acquiring model so disgustingly bad? I've pondered going back to the game multiple times, but each time I'd go and check out some decks only to realize I didn't have a competitive collection anymore, got frustrated at the thought of needing to endlessly grind just to make it back to a barely competitive level and shoved that idea way back where it came from. It's a sad story really, but yeah, that's how I feel.
This game used to be so much better. You used to be able to get series 4 and 5 cards directly from the collection level track then when they were launched the spotlight caches since players had problems getting new cards. But they then also took away the ability to get series 4/5 cards from collection levels. And that wasn’t even the worst thing they did.
If SD would just stop pricing everything toward a small number of mega-whales and shift toward a system in which more people could participate without dipping into their life savings, it seems like they'd make the same amount of (or more) money and generate a lot less anger. I think a big part of the problem might be that the people in charge of monetization (California executives) truly have no idea of the value of money for normal people in other parts of the country or the world. It simply doesn't occur to them what they are asking middle-class people to give up in order to buy a $100 bundle of pixels.
The sad part of it is that the game is at it's core really good. like the meme, they know what to do but they don't think they have the strength to do the right thing
As the head of a small studio, my goal is if we ever do mobile games, we treat the audience fairly, and use that money to invest into bigger more traditional games.
I left this game when Deadpool's diner came out exactly because of the "job" feel of the game. Core game was good, but everything surrounding that was not.
Ive had no problem getting collection complete by playing daily soing the daily missions. Im mostly free to play the only thing i pay is the cheapest season pass. Nothing else. Love this game.
Thank you for bringing up this controversial topic. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned how a game, which at first seems like a simple casual card game on a cell phone, becomes a second job due to FOMO and manipulative addiction strategies. With this sad drop in series, the predatory intentions of this company have become much more blatant. Once again, thank you for this content.
So, I decided to stop playing Snap about two months ago. I have been playing since the first public season, in October of 2022. I became a whale, and purchased every bundle I could, but found out that it still didn't make me a better player. I never hit infinite in my run, getting as close as 93. It was a bit disheartening, as I played when I could, being an near 40 guy with a job and family. For all the hard work I put in, as well the money, I still feel at a loss never hitting infinite. Yeah, I've got a cool Spider-Man card back that I never saw anymore, but what I really wanted was that cool infinite one (or the title they offered during the 3rd season, before an infinite card back was available, "Herald of Galactus."). I realize now that dumping all my extra money into this slot machine didn't amount to anything, unfortunately.
I was coping so hard with snap. Still love the games mechanics and graphics, but the monetization is super hard for free to play. I was a low key whale and barely keeping up. It’s frustrating
I uninstalled the game a few months ago. I enjoy watching other people play, but I can’t keep dumping time trying to grind out for cards I’ll probably never get at this point.
I remember hearing about this game through ads about "oh, you cant drop a bunch of money and just bypass everyone else, you gotta play the game and everyone is on the same footing regardless of cash spent!" And it sounded fishy to me. I come from mostly playing Magic the Gathering and the online version of it (Arena, though have tried MTGO), I've played Yu-Gi-Oh (and Master Duel) a decent amount too. Call me a cynic but I've always taken "you dont have to spend money" to mean "you have to play this a lot regularly" which isn't *necessarily* bad but not my vibe. So hearing that my gut reaction to avoid Snap was RIGHT is... Very sad and disappointing. I actually thought from what I'd heard it was a fairly unique system and probably nice on mobile. I hope the Snap players get a better experience.
Chronology. 1. Series drop got leaked. 2. It got meeeeeeeeeeeeega negative reaction on discord, while the team was on holiday. 3. Then the announcement came with this msg that was trying to put out the fire.
The reason Snap isn't one of the biggest games on mobile right now is purely because of the boneheaded way it handles aquiring cards. Why don't they understand this?
It's funny how y'all insist on being boneheaded on how businesses nefariously work.
@@SNAPLINKSLLCthere’s not even really a nefarious reason for it. It’s just outright stupid
😢theyve said they would only monitze on cosmetics, not cards@@SNAPLINKSLLC
It’s because $econd Dinner only cares about one thing.
I actually don't believe it would be that big even if acquiring cards was better. The Marvel name carries this game so hard and I'm unsure how many people actually consider that. I put up with a ton of bs from monetization to lackluster gameplay simply cause I like Marvel. I like learning about characters I never knew about, I like seeing characters I forgot about, and I love seeing my favorites. The same exact gameplay with random original characters instead of Marvel? Dead before it even hits year 2. This game has a multitude of issues.
The first card that was changed for monetization was Mobius during Loki season. He had been nerfed so more people would buy Loki, and then when they were releasing his summer bundle for like 60-80$, they buffed him and people started calling them out. Glenn said "we would never make balance changes for monetization"
The first obvious change in favor of monetization was when they changed their regular series downgrade cadence in the first year to leave Darkhawk in series 4. Shortly after, they released a bundle for a variant of him. That was when I took an 11 month hiatus from the game. Came back thinking they had “fixed” things, and oh boy was I wrong 😢
Agent venom nerfed 1 week after season pass ended
They also said microtransactions were only going to be used to unlock cosmetics when the game was announced. And then it turned out you only get new cards when you unlock cosmetics...
Yeah and they just do it every season apparently: kitty pride nerfed to encourage players to buy the new Elsa Bloodstone in the pass; or that random symbiote spiderman buff for no reason whatsoever. I hate whoever balances this “game”.
Then there was US Agent who quickly became one of the essential cards in any toxic deck... just days after he left the spotlight cache.
It sucks man I love this game but I feel so burnt out. I feel like I’m just playing to stay afloat to not miss out on progress towards a key. Been playing since March ‘23
Been playing since June ‘23. I share the exact sentiment as you. Pokemon Pocket has taken my time for mobile card gaming but I really hope snap rebounds.
Same
Same but I play since launch
Dec22. Love it, every season pass since, but I still can't keep up. 15 cards behind at this ☝️
When I had no keys they would put really good cards now that I have 3 keys nothing but bs cards
i said that to myself this morning. the rewards in alliances are outright terrible for the amount of work you gotta do
I haven't bothered with my alliance for 3 months, a little surprised I haven't been kicked. Even if I am though, I won't be joining another, like you said the rewards suck for the effort you put in.
Yeah, that's why I don't really care. It takes so much time for nothing, and it leads to burnout
I quit last month due to the Alliance rewards. I ran a successful alliance getting the final reward every week. The issue I had was how much I needed to play to get there. Snap was a favorite of mine due to how fast I could get my dailies done, then play more when I get time. Alliance bounties made me have to play a lot with my limited time and I couldn’t do other things. I kept hanging on because I had a high collection level and didn’t want to fall behind by taking a break. I went ahead and cut snap early November and it’s been great. The time I was using on it I am now able to spend on a lot more things.
I gave up on alliances. My group has a casual and a competitive one. I was asked to join the comp team but after the first 3 alliances, the grind for 2 borders or a variant was a joke. If tokens became a reward it would be so much better. They also should let your re roll a token shop card rather than wait for a reset. Make it like 100 credits first time and double it each re roll, and then reset that when the shop resets naturally
I quit alliances after the second week. Waste of time
Seems like I'm in a toxic relationship with this game. I want to leave for something better but I'm stuck here.
Took me a lot of effort and willpower but I un-installed a month ago 😢 Im a huge marvel fan and love this game but its too much of an investment if I dont constantly throw money at it and its gotten so greedy :(
It's called FOMO, fear of missing out, it's how most gacha games keep you hooked and playing. The golden rule is: if the game isn't fun for you, just quit, no matter the money and the time you spent. I've quit 4 months ago and i've never made a better decision in my gaming life.
I haven't uninstalled but I stopped playing. Got into a Factorio binge and if I can't or don't want to play enough Snap to keep up, I'd rather not play at all. Between normal daily missions, conquest, alliance missions, and now Deadpool's Diner again, it's just way too much forced engagement.
I could get back into the game if they significantly improved card acquisition and dropped a lot of the systems forcing you to play all the time. But that will never happen, these games just tend to get worse until they die. Oh well, was fun while it lasted.
Thats how pokemon go had me. Took a bit to let go, but glad I'm free. With Snap, I'm in a happier relationship, but she could treat me better.
You could give LoR or Pokemon TCG if you need to scratch that itch. The first one for the charactets and the Gameplay, the second one for the collection and IP
My girlfriend just got to CL1000 and asked me to help her play some games in diner for rewards. She got matched up against several people with 15k-20k collection level with meta decks full of series 5 when she's barely into series 3.
Yeah I've seen many people talk about it. Just because it's only matching based on what diner level you choose. Makes no sense to me.
I'm on CL 6k and even here it's not easier. I guess without spending a lot of money you will not get anything in that game
@@vii109how does that make no sense? You’re Queuing up for the same exact diner table as anyone else in that mode.
I had the same experience and it really turned me off. Coming from hearthstone, it was a lot easier in that game to get specific cards to make a competitive deck. In Snap, running dailies for a week I get not even one new card I can use.
Yeah I didn't even bother with DD, it's just unplayable for a new player/F2P player.
You've perfectly articulated every issue I have with the game and it saddens me that I might actually quit playing after 2 years. Hopefully this video gets seen by the right people.
Marvel Snap is a cash grab, plain and simple. They don’t care about players-just squeezing every penny. It’s disgusting and needs to change now.
The moment they decided Series Drops would stop being consistent due to Darkhawk and Knull being next in the pool, was the moment they had a canon event
I’ve only missed 6 months of content since the game came out and I’m so far out of the meta that it’s discouraging. Back in the day it was fair to grind the game and still be competitive. Now it’s impossible to keep up.
Exactly. Take any time off at all, and it costs literally thousands of dollars to catch up. That cannot be healthy for a game like this. You're basically ensuring that you will never win back any customer who takes a frustration break.
What frustrates me the most is that they nerf older cards that play well with newer ones just to force you to buy the new stuff: this in turn makes your older decks useless. I used to run a discard deck a few months ago, it revolved around dracula, morbius, apocalypse and daken, now you basically can't play a discard without corvus and proxima, it's embarrassing.
Tbh they are not even doing "evenly" distribution of cards in those caches, for example x-23 was arleady in cache few times and there are some good s4/5 cards which wasnt been in cache for a looooong time becouse those are soild cards and they use those as token bait. SD is greedy and scumy af so far. Also they tend to realise overtuned season pass cards and then nerf it to oblivion after season ends... Letting them to nerf cards without any compensation was the worst thing snap community did.
Not to mention they are also dropping it from S5 to S4, thus devaluing the rotation even more that week.
X23 coming next spotlight btw
yea, am agree, seri 5 to seri i think u can have 500-700, seri 4 to 3 we need 300-400
They are doing the correct distribution to make as much money as possible. Look at next month : all series 4 in caches. All cards that everyone and their mother has. Insane
The only time they have ever gutted a season pass card is Elsa. All others were small nerfs to cards that were the most broken card in the game (AV, Surtur) and are now top meta contenders. Sometimes they even buff bad season pass cards later (symbiote spider man). You can hate the game, no bad blood. But you don’t have to lie to intentionally make the game worse than it is.
On top of everything else, I hope the developers understand how deranged and needlessly complicated all this has gotten. I don't even play Snap, and whenever I hear about how card releases work, I just think "how is this better or simpler than just doing packs of cards like a normal game?"
The predatory monetisation model,crazy prices,Arishem, bad faith from Devs. Enough is enough.
The fact that they actually stated that High Voltage wasn't a good mode despite the ENTIRE community loved it's praises, shows they don't care. The fact that they active made fun of valid criticism within doodle their preferred mode, DPD, shows they don't care. The fact that they knew 2 years ago that the iceberg of the pools oversaturation and terrible card acquisition and STILL have done nothing meaningful about it, proves that they don't care.
Well, after slowly playing less and less, after December, if SD continues to show that they don't care, I'll be done with Snap, and I won't care.
Show me when they said that? You are putting words in their mouth that were never said. A designer said that they thought the mode is too little focused on winning. Stop needlessly sensationalising nuanced criticism and communication from the devs. If people like you keep intentionally misconstruing their communication, then they will simply stop saying anything. Switch over to yugi-oh if you want the company to make baffling decisions without any rhyme or reason, just complete silence.
It wasn't a good mode. DP dinner is a far better gameplay experience if you actually enjoy competitive play and don't want to just press the win button. It seems a lot of people that play this game are not really looking for a skillful experience and just want to durdle through games without thinking..
@@batmanwins5701wtf are you on about? A gamemode that rewards creative deck building and kooky interaction, making cards that are never played viable again vs marvel snap but you have a energy bar ala old shitty mobile games
Ultimately, Second Dinner have just totally lost sight of the fact that to make money they also need to deliver an enjoyable game. They have a small window now in which to get that back (if it’s not too late already), or else they’ll have neither game nor money.
I was a closed beta player. My BIGGEST complaint is at one point I ended up with 2 of the same kory vaariants, and when I asked them to fix it they told me to kick rocks. I have a screenshot of one of the devs telling me i would negatively impact the release schedule over it.
Eventually i was given 400 gold for my troubles, but they never fixed the duped variant.
I been playing snap since end of 2022. Collector lvl 22K. Took a break during Pokémon TCG pocket soft launch. Haven’t been back since. I didn’t realize I was coping to try and keep up with S5 cards. Fun, yes, but the feeling of keeping up got to me. I haven’t really played since TCG pocket dropped. Pocket does make you appreciate snap’s graphics, but I feel more chill on pocket.
Too bad pokemon is piss easy and you can get everything in a week
Very good explaination, a lot of content creators like u are quitting cause of these issues too
3:35 Just completed series 3 a few weeks ago at 5600CL. Was definitely a slog
You’re still new… quit the game now.. thank me later
lmaoo you think its was a slog then? Who's going to tell him 😭
Great explanation. I’m given them until character mastery and if it’s another misfire I’m more than likely dropping the game. I’ve been collection complete since the summer of 2023 and I’m really getting tapped out. SD is among the most disrespectful devs I’ve ever seen. I’ve been saying it for well over a year now that everything they do is from a monetization perspective. Simple things like a shop that has all the variants that are older than a year so that you could buy them at your leisure and don’t get me started on the bullshit that is the collectors vault.
I played Snap from its launch until the time they introduced Thanos/Kang/ tokens system- something like this. I enjoyed it, i supported it (season pass, here and there skin and some bundle). With the introduction of S4/S5, the tokens system and how you acquire those, i decided it's my time to go from the game- adding new cards with low chance of getting them from reserves and almost none chance to get those big hitters ala Thanos/Kang (though i was supporter of the idea to have ATLEAST really big bad guys like Galactus/Kang in different series) and the writing was on the wall, kinda- add constant new cards in S4/S5, stop dropping cards or drop cards once every few months, then balance problems will shows up.. I just stopped playing it and buying Season passes and such. I think card drops should be atleast once every 2 months- thats like 10 cards that could be nerfed/buffed depend where are they and how much they are played- either by increasing or reducing their energy/points and to see how it'll be played in the new tier.
The moment Second Diner introduce spotlight key and changes value on spotlight cache and collector reserve the progression become grinding fest
I had the same journey. Played from launch to around a couple months after they dropped the S5 thing and quit after I realized this game becomes a job if you want to keep up.
I'm just glad I stopped playing this game by that time. Btw, I had Kang, It was pretty bad. Thanos was also quite bad. I know they buffed him, but until the day I stopped playing, Kang was the same.
Sooo many valid points in this video... Well done!
I literally saw this coming when it first launched. I used to play with my group of friends and I noticed how they were advancing faster than I was when we all started at the same time. Only thing we did different was buying the season pass. I never bought it since I was suspicious about it. It was strange to me how season pass buyers got an “exclusive” card. I was right because a majority of the time this “exclusive” card was the META! I know these cards eventually became available for everyone but by that time a new season had already started and the META would change all over again! As soon as I saw this pattern repeated I stopped playing and lost all interest. I’m surprised it took this long for everyone else to start noticing the cash grab behind this company!
Great video mate! I agree with everything you said! Snap definitely needs to do something drastic to turn their ship around and they need to do it fast. The fact they've already announced another series drop for early next year makes me worried that we won't hear or see anything about a change to card acquisition until some time after that.
Also, I posited a similar idea to your tree idea but instead have archetypal themed card packs you can open (because it's a card game and opening packs is synonymous with card games!)
Thank you for your voice, Spyro za.
Now I am wondering if there is any Marvel Snap Contents Creator who is on Marvel Snap Dev side.
Which I believe there won't be none, so....
SECOND DINNER LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS!!!
Every content creator I hear, is against the current card acquisition and we know they all, out enough money in to have every card so it doesn't effect them but they want a better experience overall, to keep players paying the game because it's literally their job. The spotlight system works best for newer players who don't have or barely have series 4 or 5 cards. Like I'm 5 cards from collection complete so most weeks I'm only going for the new card but with only 2 to maybe 3 keys so there's always a chance I can whiff and not get anything new. They need to find a way where it works for new players and veterans alike. (I've been playing for almost 2 years.)
@@2PieceandABiscuitminus the NDA's right
@@SNAPLINKSLLC I don't know enough about that to speak on it
Yeah the fomo got me hard, lots of decks and videos of decks saying that some card might be passable, then becomes meta, or a card should be good but then not
My brother and I just started. I’m about a week and half in and he’s a couple days. Are we cooked lol
After months of frustration with snap went back to GWENT, feels so good!
People also forget that they actively took out getting free gold from collectors cache AND lowered the token amount from 1000 to to 100
Leaving the Snap for Pokemon Pocket has been the best decision i made. I’m getting ptsd just watching this video lol
Too bad pokemon is piss easy and you can get everything in a week
Marvel Snap is the only game I have on my phone and I still have absolutely no urge to play it. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything when I know I definitely am(Marvel Snap wise)
I think I discovered a Fundamental Truth about Marvel Snap- the game is only “fun” when the player doesn’t and/or doesn’t have to engage with it for a prolonged period. The moment a Mission or Event forces the player to play for a prolonged period, the player discovers how the gambling mechanic of Snap, and it’s RNG, is super annoying.
In SNAP, the goal is not really to play the game “for the love of it;” rather the goal if towards progression, either through the Ladder or completing the Mission or Event. So it is not really about “staying in” and just playing. In this way, the more the RNG or the game mechanics add some factor that frustrates a player’s progression, the player becomes angry and burnt out on the game.
Ultimately, SNAP needs to be less a competitive “gambling” type of game- and just be more of a typical card game which lets players have the decks they want and the competition comes in pitting decks against each other rather than “gaming for the meta.”
Which “typical” card game lets their players have the decks they want? I was free to play in HS for years and at most I was able to craft ONE deck from the new expansion on its release. Even when I started spending hundreds I was missing large chunks of each expansion. LoR is the only game that handed free to play players all relevant cards and they WENT UNDER for it. You can criticise Marvel Snap for using a different system, but let’s not pretend they give you less cards than other card games. All successful card games do not let their players get the decks they want, so that they spend more money.
@@tinminator8905it’s true,but I think other card games let you build stuff more freely,in most card games,you can dust cards or choose which cards to get by pooling from packs or crafting them,SNAP doesn’t have this,instead you get what you get,if you want to build discard and you got like either bulk or cards for entirely different archetype,you have to suck it up.Obv I’m not saying other card games let you build anything,but they offer you more options,making budget deck in master duel(for example)is far easier than making budget deck in SNAP
I've been free to play since release and every month I complete the free season pass rewards. I'm still missing a HUGE majority of the higher series cards
Been saying for a while that if they added a hefty chunk of collectors tokens to the weekly max chest it would help acquisition a lot. Maybe 1000 tokens for the final weekly chest. Or 1000 over the course of hitting the weekly max chest. 1000 sounds like a lot but it’s basically a guaranteed series 5 every month and a half when they are releasing 4 per month. Or it would help finish series 4 with 1 card per month which would feel a hell of a lot better than this.
They’re too greedy to do that. They won’t even let you pick variants for gold because they’re so greedy.
Actually, there are bots in DD, but most of them got evolved in the higher table.
The evolved bots have all collection cards, running the most popular decks in the current meta (like the Gorr-Negative, Thanos-Surtur, MoonKnight-Darkhawk decks), not just using the basic Avatar and English name, and even have Guilds.
So if you don’t pay attention, it’s really hard to recognize if your opponent is a bot or not, especially when you’re under the pressure of losing all bubs in DD.
The evolved bots still follow the same logic of stupid bots - they will read your play, try to get prio before T5, but lose prio on T6 for losing you the match. And then they will retreat if you SNAP on them.
But since the deck they’re using are the most popular decks in the current meta, you’ll feel lots of pressure when playing against them (because you can’t recognize from the ID, Avatar, or Guild), so most of time you might end up retreat before them.
It’s a really evil design!
I thought there were bots there.. they did a play only someone who knew my next move would make
@@bayareaeventz That is NOT how bots work. You are just more predictable than you think.
My main problem the card collection system u try to get new card and u get 10 credits make u tilt for try to get new card
Great video. I appreciate the look at sentiment. It’s like the players’ sentiments are seen as something different that the customers’ sentiments.
And it’s something I honestly don’t understand. When you make money solely by getting people to give you their money, they need to be priority one.
Thank you for speaking up!
I'm a new player and recently got to the leaderboard I would like to applaud Marvel Snap for being the first digital card game to properly recreate going from playing in a friends group/locals to going to a big event and getting destroyed by cards and decks you've never seen before. Went from long play sessions to only logging in to finish dailies to slowly build up my cards and finish the battle pass.
I was first frustrated with snap because when I started, I played on PC and there was a bug or something where events didn't show up on PC. I realized this when I tried playing on mobile and there were suddenly events available.
That was frustrating but I decided to keep playing and eventually I collected a sizable collection. I was doing reasonably well on the ladder for a while until silver surfer came out and I felt there were serious problems with the game's monetization. The silver surfer combo deck was just incredibly unfun to play against and it wasn't possibly to counterplay with the cards available to me at the time. The worst part was that it wasn't possible to get silver surfer at the time without spending money which means people could actually pay for a competitive advantage. That set me on my path to quitting the game.
Wet great video. This was so on point. I’ve only seen your content through Daily Dose of Marvel Snap videos. Glad I found this one
What happened to dropping physical packs ?
The most frustrating thing is they limit farming you can only get credits by completing missions and after you complete all weekly mission theres no reason to play the game
what changes do you guys suggest for Arishem? could limiting the amount of cards you can play per turn be a solution?
Make it so your hand becomes permanently visible to the opponent.
I'm so encouraged to hear people finally voicing this, give hope that it might be improved. Or the game completely dies and that's problem solved in it's own way. For me it comes down to this, far too much of the player base miss out on far too many meta decks, you can slice it up however you like but it comes down to that. All the symptoms of the collection systems lead to that, all players don't need all the cards, but all players should have better agency over which cards they pick and should end up being able to play a good chunk of the decks of the day, I get about half the season passes and it's most common for me to not have the collection to make any of the dozens of decks I see recommended each week, on the rare occasion on I have a couple to actually CHOOSE from, omg, being part of the game is so much more fun.
You know what would fix this? Giving us options to purchase cards with in game currency acquired from just playing.
Snap feels like its in the stage where its milking its remaining fan base. I feel like ive seen this in rainbow 6 siege and apex legends. Basically no new players and a slowly declining player base, they try and milk their base which accelerates the leave for other and then just gets more expensive for the remainers.
I agree. It's in a death spiral now until the developers pull the plug.
There are also series 4 cards like Jean I got from spotlight being dropped to s3
I played this game quite regularly and bought the monthly pass thing and still felt like it wasn't enough progression. I quit about a year ago.
Is a shame Glenn said that about High Voltage. That was the most fun I have had in a long time.
I have been playing snap for quite a while so I am getting the cards I want, mostly. I don’t unlock every card every week in the spotlights, so I do have a decent amount if keys to save while waiting for new cards I want. Usually I open at least half of the spotlights a month. I do the season pass each month, and occasionally buy a cheap bundle, like $5-$15 at most.
Came back after around 4 months (during Fenris week) realise I've missed Malekith, and want to buy it for decks. I have been waiting over a week now, and still no Malekith in my shop.
I would really like to see more than one card offered, at each reset each day. So we would be getting offered 9 cards a day, instead of 3.
They also need to do something about album variants, flooding the variant shop. I have been waiting for the Shavrin - Monkey variant for over 14 months now. The same stuff shows up, over and over again, and you're lucky if you see 1 or 2 none album variants, every 24 hours. And similar to pool 5, the album bloat, which means more variants taking priority in the shop. Unless you buy the variant the day it comes out, it might take years for it to show up for you.
Yep, only card game I've experienced where, even with the required currency, you can't just go and buy the card that you want. Bonkers.
The card progression system worked pretty well in the early days. But it just isnt feasible for a new player to catch up and make decks anymore.
The resources are too scarce and the cards dont come often enough
I love the tree idea; I hadn't heard of that one before.
I reach Infinity every season, play limited time events, max out my personal Alliance bounties and (shamefully) buy the season pass (only the base version) - and I am still falling way behind and absolutely cannot keep up with the Meta changes.
The crazy part is most players dropped the game before they got to series three so they're never gonna deal with these issues. Most likely why their monetization is so aggressive.
You unlock stuff so slowly that even if you see a cool streamer doing something neat and want to try the game you go into a month long tutorial before you can even start playing. Never has an unlocking system in a card game made me wish for packs till this one
I started playing at the end of October. I’m at Collection Level 1100ish. I throw money at this game here and there to get access to some competitive cards so that I can enjoy game time. I have a Wodin Deck with an alternative curve to Ultron and I like it. I look at deck builds online and recognize I don’t have access to really good cards.
The “throwing some money” thing is becoming less the more I understand the monetization. Groceries and health insurance keep going up, leaving me less monetary freedom for digital trading cards.
I’m here because I miss playing TCGs. But my TCG experience showed me that they always, eventually, become too expensive to keep up.
Unless something changes, my time here might be short.
I didn't realize how upset I was with 2nd Dinner until you laid this all out. Wow
Card acquisition, greedy monetization, a gameplay loop that gets repetitive due to the latter. FOMO BS
i try the game when they released gwenpool,and after the tutorial i noticed i cant get her right away,and i stop playing instantly
The skill tree idea sounds great. I love discard but I still don’t have cards like Gambit or Dracula, meanwhile the last card I unlocked was Adam Warlock 💀
Not as bad as Rescue
@ I got Rescue as one of my first series 3 cards and actually got some use out of her back then. Adam Warlock is just actually useless
I’m a new Marvel Snap player I just started around this year around March, and I gotta say leveling up and getting new cards feels like a chore now.. I’m currently in series 3 CL 1258 and love playing Move Decks, and I’ve been in series 3 for about 3-4 months now. At first it was a pretty smooth grind to climb up, and I saw that series 3 had a pretty big pool and I was ok with it cause I was enjoying the game. Then they introduced the collectors reserves and that completely ruined everything. Every single time my collection level increases and I have to pray that I get an actual card and not credits, or a variant, or even boosters! It’s made the climb so much more tedious and frustrating. And what’s worse is I climbed up to Vibranium and I just get completely stomped by meta decks because my deck is still a fairly basic move deck. If they could just implement giving series 3-4 cards a bit faster in the lower ranks it would make the climb a lot less tedious.
Yeah forcing you to do unfun quests with bad decks really is burning me out aswel. I've been playing this game since release, so card acquisition isn't a big problem, i usually have enough keys to get the cards I like. But it is abit annoying that with every month they have to release some OP cards so people buy the season pass. I also didn't mind the deadpool diner very much, but I don't have infinite time. So because i wanted to alternate art card, I didn't have the time to climb the ladder to rank 100 or play conquest enough for the face card that season. Which is a bummer. I'd love if they delay the next season if they plant one of these big time consuming events.
Truly a hearthstone successor
Yeah it’s unfortunate to see because I was full on addicted to snap and spent quite a bit of money on cosmetics and such. The odd balancing and rate of card acquisition has been pushing me away for a while but Pokémon Pocket coming out and being much more generous and generally feeling like less of a chore to play has been the death nail for me. I’ve spent about $30 on Pocket and am only missing two base cards. Compare that to Snap where $30 might get you 1 new card if you buy a bundle with good value, it’s a no brainer that it might be time for me to step back.
Perfectly summarized.
It's twenty minutes video
I played alliances for the first two weeks, felt like it wasnt for me and have ignored it completely since. Even though I am the leader.
Watching this video remind me to give 1star review on the game itself. Thanks 👍
I quit the game two months into official launch because I saw where the monetization of the game was headed, despite everyone saying I was crazy to complain. Checking in two years later, I think I made a great decision back then.
They should just monetise variants, not gatekeep cards. This is getting ridiculous, not to mention the store prices, I still remember that mechanised death variant selling for 100 bucks…
23:16 what you just describe there is Legend of Runeterra progression system and imo the best card game progression for a f2p
As someone who's been playing snap since the game came out. I miss like three season passes just cuz of life stuff.
But it's very obvious that there's one huge problem: The monotony and redundancy that's the collection level track.
Things like titles and avatars and credits shouldn't be in there it should be cards variance or tokens that's it.
Things with tokens cost so much and nothing nothing gets cheaper right?.
I got to collection level 2400 before burning out cause despite playing that many hours I can't build a wide enough variety of decks I would like to have to switch between. When new card unlocks became rng it started feeling more and more awful. Shame cause the gameplay is so fun and quick and lots of strategy.
I'm glad more content creators are being vocal. I think enough is enough when it comes to the way they treat the player base. People are just fucking fed up with the drip feeding and false promises. The tree idea you brought up is actually great but the caches would need to contain cards again. If they want to fix the game, series drops need to happen every week like they stated, dupe protection has to be in place on spotlight caches, and chest on the track need to go back to containing 600 tokens.
Make your money selling cosmetics and not cards.
I stopped playing as soon as I started getting reserves instead of caches, because I just stopped getting cards when i was barely getting any to begin with, but I still watch some people play because it is fundamentally a good game
i'm burnt out, cl 13000 have most of the series 4/5 but too many cards per month and the nerfs are whack.
I personally quit about 2 years ago, had been playing since launch and pouring money into their predatory monetization model. One day I decided I had had enough and stopped playing the game in outright rage. I absolutely LOVED the gameplay but why did they have to make their card acquiring model so disgustingly bad? I've pondered going back to the game multiple times, but each time I'd go and check out some decks only to realize I didn't have a competitive collection anymore, got frustrated at the thought of needing to endlessly grind just to make it back to a barely competitive level and shoved that idea way back where it came from. It's a sad story really, but yeah, that's how I feel.
I love the idea of a Architype trees. At least the main ones. Destroy, Discard and dont forget about move. On reveal and On going.
The skill tree is a great idea and would work perfectly for marvel snap’s archetypes 🏆
WELL SAID SPYRO!!!! SPOT ON BREAKDOWN
Finally someone who feels my pain 😭
This game used to be so much better. You used to be able to get series 4 and 5 cards directly from the collection level track then when they were launched the spotlight caches since players had problems getting new cards. But they then also took away the ability to get series 4/5 cards from collection levels. And that wasn’t even the worst thing they did.
If SD would just stop pricing everything toward a small number of mega-whales and shift toward a system in which more people could participate without dipping into their life savings, it seems like they'd make the same amount of (or more) money and generate a lot less anger.
I think a big part of the problem might be that the people in charge of monetization (California executives) truly have no idea of the value of money for normal people in other parts of the country or the world. It simply doesn't occur to them what they are asking middle-class people to give up in order to buy a $100 bundle of pixels.
The sad part of it is that the game is at it's core really good. like the meme, they know what to do but they don't think they have the strength to do the right thing
As the head of a small studio, my goal is if we ever do mobile games, we treat the audience fairly, and use that money to invest into bigger more traditional games.
I left this game when Deadpool's diner came out exactly because of the "job" feel of the game. Core game was good, but everything surrounding that was not.
I was able to get the card I had maybe 15 minutes left before the event ended I was extremely frustrated
They should allowed to change the email connected to your account.
The que times were not long in the diner ever for the server I was in.
It's incredible how SNAP was the response to how predatory and shit Hearthstone had become only to end up even worse than it.
It took me months of heavy play and buying to get current as of this weeks cards
Ive had no problem getting collection complete by playing daily soing the daily missions. Im mostly free to play the only thing i pay is the cheapest season pass. Nothing else. Love this game.
Bro the statement from Ben Brode is horse shit. Liked and subbed.
Can't believe that statement was from over 2 years ago
They should just do adds while players que up to matches to offset these crazy cost
Thank you for bringing up this controversial topic.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned how a game, which at first seems like a simple casual card game on a cell phone, becomes a second job due to FOMO and manipulative addiction strategies.
With this sad drop in series, the predatory intentions of this company have become much more blatant. Once again, thank you for this content.
I play this game to pass time on my commute home. Visiting it's shop and seeing those prices always makes me laugh.
So, I decided to stop playing Snap about two months ago. I have been playing since the first public season, in October of 2022. I became a whale, and purchased every bundle I could, but found out that it still didn't make me a better player. I never hit infinite in my run, getting as close as 93. It was a bit disheartening, as I played when I could, being an near 40 guy with a job and family. For all the hard work I put in, as well the money, I still feel at a loss never hitting infinite. Yeah, I've got a cool Spider-Man card back that I never saw anymore, but what I really wanted was that cool infinite one (or the title they offered during the 3rd season, before an infinite card back was available, "Herald of Galactus."). I realize now that dumping all my extra money into this slot machine didn't amount to anything, unfortunately.
I was coping so hard with snap. Still love the games mechanics and graphics, but the monetization is super hard for free to play. I was a low key whale and barely keeping up. It’s frustrating
I uninstalled the game a few months ago. I enjoy watching other people play, but I can’t keep dumping time trying to grind out for cards I’ll probably never get at this point.
I remember hearing about this game through ads about "oh, you cant drop a bunch of money and just bypass everyone else, you gotta play the game and everyone is on the same footing regardless of cash spent!" And it sounded fishy to me.
I come from mostly playing Magic the Gathering and the online version of it (Arena, though have tried MTGO), I've played Yu-Gi-Oh (and Master Duel) a decent amount too. Call me a cynic but I've always taken "you dont have to spend money" to mean "you have to play this a lot regularly" which isn't *necessarily* bad but not my vibe. So hearing that my gut reaction to avoid Snap was RIGHT is... Very sad and disappointing. I actually thought from what I'd heard it was a fairly unique system and probably nice on mobile.
I hope the Snap players get a better experience.
Chronology. 1. Series drop got leaked. 2. It got meeeeeeeeeeeeega negative reaction on discord, while the team was on holiday. 3. Then the announcement came with this msg that was trying to put out the fire.