/ theaveragestream / veragegatsby No one reads these, but I do want to at least say here that Marvel Snap is an incredible game. Disappointed with where it's at now. #MARVELSNAP #Marvel
17:11 I played daily, bought season passes, did all the missions and grinded as much as I could to get as many keys as possible and I still couldn't keep up due to bad RNG and never having enough "luck" to get the hot new thing in 1 or 2 tries. This was a major reason I had to quit.
I had exactly the same experience and even spent money early in. It really started feeling like a job rather than a fun side game. It was just too much.
The sad part is that I've actually created a new account which is purely f2p and yet I still get a duplicate pull from the spotlight cache. That in itself is dissapointing.
With so many cards in pools 4 and 5 and to have the random spotlight key giving you a copy of a pool 4 or 5 only for to turn into 1000 tokens is and was the biggest slap in the face to players.... thats when i knew when to stop playing this
@@HarioGu it's not luck, it's called patience, something kids don't have. You all want everything unlocked immediately. That's not a game's fault but immature mentality
I stopped immediately after Zabu expansion. The pay to win stank so bad and yes, grinding the cards everyday/week to have a fighting chance was not worth it.
Zabu expansion!?!? You don’t even belong in this convo you gave up the game before it got really bad you weren’t there to even experience what everyone else has 😭😭😭
The last part is honestly the biggest issue of all. As a ftp player, hell even as a dolphin, if you are not logging in every 8 hours you're falling behind. So if you take a break, you are NOT catching up.
@AshBlossomWorshiper it's ultimately the main reason why I stopped playing. Even if you are on that daily though, your key could still miss and you're potentially out several months worth of collecting tokens
The manner that you presented all the relevant facts and little things here and there that has added up over the last 2 years with this game…. Was just beautiful. Bravo. You should be proud of this video
I feel like the downfall began for me when they started releasing 2 new cards the first week of the month (season pass and a new spotlight card) prior to that it often felt like I could reasonably keep up on the collection if I bought the pass. After that it seems like they just wanted to increase the grind of the game. With Deadpool’s diner then alliances then leagues all requiring a ton of grinding if you wanted to get the rewards, on top of grinding ladder and grinding conquest. I am still playing but have scaled way back no longer do alliances, don’t play conquest and frequently take time off. We’ll see if I keep going but it is just too much to keep up at this point,
@brendangallagher6496 I love Conquest, but it's a heavier time requirement, esp in infinite. Diner is fine, but if you're losing and miss out because your card pool sucks then I can't imagine that feels good for newer players(?). And the spotlight system just feels so... why? Let people choose what they want. I would still key to get the skins. You can pretty reliably get 3 keys a week if you're really going at it. 14:31 Or get rid of this mystery slot bullshit. It almost always feels like shit. I skip fenrir for a reason, I rolled for Gorr, I got fenrir out of the mystery. My reaction wasn't, "oh boy, the card I didn't roll a single key for last week." It was, "oh boy, at least it's a series 5 and I didn't get bent over for 1k tokens on a dupe." Which even that isn't great.
@ I don’t mind the spotlight system as much as most because in the end it is not much different than the token system except you sometimes get a discount and you get extra stuff sometimes. I mind the grind to get the resources to max it out and the FOMO of not doing it. I don’t hate conquest but it is more time commitment, same with Deadpool’s diner, and alliances, and Leagues. They are all grind festa for resources and for me it got to be too much so I scaled back to mostly just ladder. I also stopped caring about being collection complete (I got there like month 2 or spotlights because it was easier in early spotlights to gain on the collection then it is now because more cards are released and nothing is series 4.). I just look for fun cards that interest me and play with those. This season it was Malekith. I had fun with him. I am enjoying Etri as well but I stopped climbing diner once I got him because I did not like the grind.
@brendangallagher6496 I had a good amount of fun with the Venom season. AntiVenom ended up being a personal favorite with Frigga and Luke Cage. But yeah, the grind just feels miserable at times.
@@TheAverageGatsbyI played the diner on a new account they will match you with new players. Also why the slot machine? Money. They need to make money. The majority of snap is free, and you level up quite fast so they have to Halt your pace or else you're just gonna get everything for relatively free, and be BORED. They can't release less cards or there's less to do They can't release more cards or there's too much bloat so they have to just slow down the progression. Its kinda how actual card collecting works, but tbh if they made dupes 3k I think people would be less upset.
As an f2p player, I've been monitoring my acquisition since launch. Honestly the spotlight system was great, and at the start of this year I was missing only 7 cards. I even bought a thank you one-time season pass in Hope Summers. Little did I realize the thumbscrews were being turned. The extra card each season, almost all cards releasing as series 5, season pass cards never returning as spotlights, the stingy series drops that contain bad cards, etc. Now I'm still sitting on 66k+ tokens like a dragon, but while in other card games I can freely spend my free resources to get a meta deck every 4 months or so (10k dust for Hearthstone, 800 pack points for Pokemon Pocket), I can't do that with Snap: If I spend 24k tokens, I'm not going to regain those 24k tokens in the next 4 months. That will take me the next 2 years! Besides this I think new and returning players have it harder than me.
Great video, and you get bonus points for the MvC music hiding in the video. That spiderman theme is so good. I hope they finally just give us the option to pick what we want with keys. Series drops do almost nothing when it's 5 to 4, we don't get tokens at a relevant rate like we do keys
@TheArctus Man, if we got to pick what we wanted, this video probably wouldn't have been made. Hell, even just removing the "mystery slot" would have been alright with me. Also, my man, always loving the MVC soundtracks
>be card game players >"These card games are too P2W and a money sink!" >Games fail for being too greedy >Be Riot >Make the most generous card game ever >It's TOO generous, it doesn't break even and it dies >"Well, it failed because we want the adrenaline of pulling rare cards from packs, we don't want you to just give us the cards to play, they should have added more gacha mechanics!" Honestly, we deserve to suffer.
LoR had the same issue, you got 2000 green....whatever that currency was per week and you needed 750 per day to unlock that competitive track or whatever it was, that was the beginning of the end. Also not nerfing some decks for months while nerfing others instantly. Why do we need to play for months against Ahri/Kennen and Lurk while Iceborn Spiders gets nerfed instantly, makes no sense. Same thing happens in snap there is absolutely no reason to nerf a card exactly 1 week after it's in a spotlight, happened too many times. As long as games don't learn to nerf/buff way more often it will keep happening.
Just goes to show that the Skinner box rats playing for "rewards" vastly outnumber the people who play for the enjoyment of the game itself. Psychological warfare has so overtaken the gaming industry that most players literally do not know what fun is anymore.
Also Brode talking about boosters being needed to increase CL but not a single word about credits, which are the true limiting factor. That's beyond shady.
"with the *occasional* 4-key spotlight" Mannn. I started March 2024 missing only 3 cards in the game with a few Spotlight keys to spare. Over the next 6 months, I was 8-for-8 when it comes to spotlight cards costing 4 keys, which put me up to I think like 16 cards missing? War Machine, USAgent, Red Guardian, Valentina, Sage, Thena, Ajax, Silver Sable-- all 4 keys. I was already starting to see the cracks in the card acquisition model, but the 8th one broke me and I had to uninstall. So far, for good!
The one that recently killed me. I own every Thanos card that has come out. I save all my tokens and gold to buy anything Thanos that comes out. When they released the Thanksgiving Thanos card for $70 Canadian. I said nope, and accepted the fact that I won't own all the Thanos cards now.
@travismorden8327 I loved collecting all the midnight sun tarot cards, but it sucks knowing I'll never own the Magick or Ironman ones because I didn't want to spend 15 bucks and didn't grind enough conquest.
I have learned a lot from Ben brode as a game developer, but I can't play 95% of mobile games including Snap in good conscience. The mobile gaming market is predatory. I'm devoting my energy to making ethically-priced mobile games these days so that people can enjoy complete games at an accessible price point that bring them joy rather than give them a sinking feeling in the chest whenever another bundle is shoved in their faces.
As a guy missing over 20 cards and also owning 4 ultimate variants. It has nothing to do with being a whale. I play my 3 main decks and like to drip them out.
I am daily (mission) player from almost a start. I have bought 2 season passes during my play (once per year as a thank You to developers), because it feels like 10$ per year game to me. I almost never spend gold or tokens in a game (I bought Galactus and Thanos for tokens in a time, when it was/intended to be the only way to acquire them). I don't have a fomo for latest cards. I have unopened 630 collectors reserves because they don't give stuff I want. All my strategy is to get missing cards, no matter what they are. The cards I own already makes me competitive enough. When 7:12 happened I was missing 20 cards in my collection. Right now I am missing 30 cards and I have 3 keys waiting for next spotlight cashes with at least 2 missing cards (50/50 chance). If I spend my gold and tokens, I would easily go under missing 20 cards. IMHO spotlight cashes system works for a ftp player like me. And I play game that are much worse... Disney Speedstorm.
I stopped playing 9 months ago at the end of the Shaw Season. Spotlights felt too min maxy to be fun. There's no agency in anything you collect, and the balance at the time was bad for me. I think the final straw was nerfing Dracula as Annihilus was still prominent. Started back playing recently because Gorr was good in Negative and I like that kinda highroll all or nothing sort of deck. But I play like 1 or two games a day and move on because other cards I need to make decks I wanna play are still 6000 tokens and I don't have enough and they aren't appearing in my shop and they aren't in the spotlight and I'm not gonna log in every 8 hours to check and not being able to draw ANY series 4 or 5 cards in the now useless reserve system is what really hurts especially after lowering token gain from them AND removing gold from them in an attempt to get you to spend. It's a general feels bad. The recent series drop is crazy to me because I was 2 cards off from collection complete when I stopped playing as a dolphin player, and out of the 9 months I was away I missed maybe 40-45 cards and somehow I'm still series 3 complete. Some cards that have been out for years like Iron Lad should have been dropped to at least Series 3. Jeff too. It's just their way to make you grind for cards that are absolutely more powerful/universal or waste all your resources on them. I don't even know why every cards starts at series 5. Is it to mask the perceived strength of the card? You can't be sure to skip it if the card turns out to be strong, but starting at series 4 might make people think it's okay to pass it up. Idk they fumbled hard
I took a break after the Zabu meta because I was feeling burnt out only to come back and realize I was now forever going to be lagging behind. The rate at which they add series 5 cards to the game while slowly dropping cards to lower series makes card collecting a slog. They seem to intentionally be keeping better cards in series 5 too. Some cards dropped a series after a few months but others haven't dropped in like a year. Sometimes more. Also, MvC music in the background. Very based.
I stopped playing somewhere Q1 in 2024, because it felt like you had to spend money to get the battle pass and you had to spend money to reliably get the spotlight cards and to keep up with the meta you had to have new cards abd so every new card drop felt po7ntless since you won't be having most of the new cards, so the dopamine kick from constantly getting new cards faded away quickly and coming back now, is like starting playing Hearthstone again for the first time. Good luck keeping up.
The main issue I had with the game was lack of credits. Only available in daily missions. Once you complete them there’s no point in playing anymore for that day as you can’t advance without credits. I enjoyed the game but I like to grind and feel like I’m progressing to something. It’s why as expensive as it is I keep up with hearthstone as every game progresses the the rewards track
You didn't even touch on them adding a new card each month starting around June 2024. Prior to this, the Season Pass earned you the first new card and you could coast the first week and stock up for the second new card. Now, every season starts with two new cards, for a total of five. Recent seasons are adding a sixth new card via the High Voltage or Deadpool's Diner. So, players now get to scramble to acquire six new Series 5 cards each month. Two of the new cards this Rivals season indicate that they'll not run out of material to generate new cards. Bruce Banner and Groot+Rocket seem almost like a threat, "We'll always have fresh ways to push new cards." Get ready for Peter Parker and Wanda+Vision.
I'm waiting for the pokemon "TAG TEAM EX" cards that take up two slots instead of one haha. They were never going to run out of characters, we will end up seeing alt universes/etc before that happens.
I had to stop playing about 2 months ago. There was a new car drop every week, drastically changing the meta every 30 minutes. I wasn't getting free cards monthly, I wasn't unlocking new cards more than once a week or less. I was getting a hundred tokens a week. None of the rewards on anything seemed worth it when all I needed were cards. And all the new cards were making so many other cards obsolete or just breaking them. And finally in most importantly the RNG is Savage, between card drops or game scenarios
I quit about a year ago, for the exact reasons you state in the video and I just came back this week. I have to say, I'm about to quit again... I used to have a pretty much complete collection, having played since the beginning and having gotten all season passes up to that point. So now I have got dozens of new cards to collect and they're pretty much *all* series 5! I even had 12 Spotlight Keys saved up, but still the climb to catch up seem utterly impossible. It's insane to me that they haven't changed any of these mechanics ever since I quit for the first time. Surely the game can't be profitable in its current state, can it? The only way to have fun in this game (and yes, constantly trying out new stuff is what makes games like these fun) is if you started playing on day one and haven't missed a single season pass ever since...? How many of those are left? I found a single catch up mechanic (if you want to call it that), which was a 5,99€ "welcome back bundle" for some gold and credits that I didn't buy... so it disappeared after not even 24 hours. What even is this?
The main reason is burn out, you forced play everyday for a week just to get 1000 tokens or bad variants. And honestly, most 2024 cards are bad. Edit: i am back! Honestly, when i say bad. Most cards are forgotten or nobody plays it anymore especially most (2024) season pass cards which is i disappointed. I rarely (never) see black swan, zemo, blink, gilgamesh for past month. But card like red hulk, red guardian, scream, scorn, arishem become mainstream and should be season pass instead. Here some my tierlist Note: I don't have all of them, i evaluate by my opponent play it, how easy to beat it or other factors like predictable and forgetable. I made this list early december, i might change the list because of OTA or new cards. Skaar: good Caeira: good Hercules: bad Miek: bad Grandmaster: mid Beta Ray Bill: Bad Black Swan: worse Supergiant: bad Cull Obsidian: mid Corvus Glaive: good Proxima Midnight: mid Hope Summers: good Pixie: bad Mockingbird: good Cannonball: good War Machine: good Baron Zemo: worse Red Hulk: good Us Agent: bad Red Guardian: good White Widow: mid Valentina: mid Blink: mid Nocturne: mid Sage: mid Namora: mid Sasquatch: bad Gilgamesh: mid Thena: good Sersi: mid Makkari: worse Phastos: mid Arishem: game changer Gwenpool: good Bob: bad Ajax: mid Cassandra Nova: mid Copycat: bad Kate Bishop: mid Marvel Boy: mid Wiccan: mid Speed: bad Hulkling: worse Symbiote Spider-Man: mid Silver Sable: mid Madame Webb: mid Arana: mid Scarlet Spider: bad Agent Venom: mid Scream: good Toxin: mid Scorn: good Misery: mid Anti-Venom: bad Agony: mid Surtur: good Fenris Wolf: bad Frigga: mid Malekith: worse King Eitri: mid Gorr: mid Galacta: mid Luna Snow: mid Peni Parker: possible mid? Doom 2099: possible good? Rocket and Groot: possible mid? Good: 15 Very mainstream and sometime unbeatable and unpredictable. Mid: 28 Sometimes they good but mostly don't Bad: 13 Worse: 5 No need to explain
@kucinghoren7864 I gotta disagree, there are a lot of really good cards, especially for things like discard, build arounds like Arishim, and meta crashers like Red Hulk. Just make sure your key doesn't miss otherwise I'll see you in the token shop -6,000 😉 Edit:the burnout thing though, yeah that's probably accurate.
all of the cards this year have been good/ niche just stop chatting. You have to play 1-3hours at worst depending on your schedule. You can miss two days, and still get the full rewards. It just sounds like you've gotten all you can out the game.
The issue why I stopped playing is that after opening 100 caches I still got not enough tokens to buy the meta relative card I needed to stay competitive. This game needs some sort of crafting system like master duel, Gwent and yes, pokemon tcg pocket.
I spend so much money on marvel snap but I still felt like a nightmare to keep up. Maintaining infinite and having all the cards is annoying, a lot of the initial bundles were awful
Snap is the best online tcg gameplay wise, hands down. But the best decision i made for myself was leaving it for Pokemon Pocket. I can’t support SD and their crap any longer.
This is wild. Exactly a year ago I was neck deep into Snap. What ruined it for me was the ridiculously expensive variant bundles. Over $100 CAD for one card variant? Come on...
This Video is very accurate and doesnt overly dramatize everything. The amount of times i heard people say SD needs to do something fast because of the Pokemon Pocket is insane, of couse Pokemon is successful no cap. But Marvel Snap suffers mostly form Problems it has created itself, the release of pocked was just one of the tipping points that got the community to speak out for once more. I dont think the team behind marvel snap worrys that much about pocket and they honestly should not. (Btw, we also need to see for how long Pokemon Pocked will even be popular, I saw Pokemon fumble this bag several times now. Although this is likely there best shot yet, i didnt even want to engage with the PTC games anymore because of that.) I really hope SD is really working on some new systems that help especially new and returing players to get faster into the core Collection of Marvel Snap. Players that already play for at least 6-8 months are getting a good experience for the most part in my Opinion, the major issue the game has is with new player and the gigantic hill that Series 3 has become. Picking one specific Series 3 card for free is not just not enough anymore if anyone wants to build a specifc deck. And if you just come back from a pause of the game, there is a good chance you cant pick up a new card for 3 weeks because you need to stack up on keys first and even then you must hope one of the Spotlights is good for your collection.
I recently stopped playing after having played since nearly the start. I found that I was missing two cards that I hadn't had a chance to pick up in all the top decks. With no way of accessing them and seeing the deck often, I had no way of playing it or getting in front of it. I just moved on, and haven't looked back. It's too bad they never fixed their card acquisition issue. The fact that you only got 1K of tokens for a key that you already had was crap.
Greed, incompetence, and taking many months to respond to literally anything if they even bother to respond at all, all to the detriment of the player experience. I played Marvel Snap for 7 months and I watched in real time how little the developers cared about making the game better as they added more and more to nickel and dime people and little to actually improve the game experience. I finally broke free in mid-2024 and I will never ever return to Marvel Snap because it is obvious they care about money far more than they care about making a game that is fun to play, with reasonable card acquisition time.
I quit about 6 months ago, it will be hard at first, the fomo remains for a while, but evetually when time passes and you see that they are never going to fix things and they only care about whales, you feel really good about your desition 😅
7:10 also, this was the moment that you can no longer earn gold(premium currency) through main progression system, making it much harder to buy bundles-main source of tokens
I tapped out of Pokémon Go earlier this year after playing it since a year on from its inception. Started on Snap about 6 weeks ago after seeing a TH-cam ad. I’m having a great time with it so far, its very addictive, although I don’t think I will ever ‘complete’ my collection. I’m not trying to though. The mix of cards i get from the new and old releases provides fun, playable decks, and the addition of Valentina to my decks keeps me topped up with some of the interesting newer 6 cost cards that I don’t have yet. A good casual game, I’ll try not to get obsessed with like i did with PoGo.
I stopped after deadpool dinner, I buy few season pass, I alway grind and try as best as I can to manager the economy. That month I was so busy so I haven't play much and when I play my RNG is so bad. I always lost in deadpool diner, i even play in my friend phone and won easily but don't know why I always lost in mine. However my reason to stop playing is not just that, that month is just suck for me, all my keys have the worst luck it's like the game tell me to stop playing, so I did
spoiler alert, being able to pay to "speed up" your collection of boosters is, in fact, paying to get all the cards in the game. don't know why that's so difficult for some people to accept...
The absurd prices is what did it for me. I realized i can win without new cards its easy. I now only buy the season pass like on the 3rd week of the month unless i see that the season pass card is really good then i buy first week otherwise i just go without season pass card
The game is a grind purge. Best gameplay since so many years for video game TCG but damn I don't want to play 2h a day everyday to just keep up with the game.
Fun game. I would go as far as to say the gameplay is genius in it's simplicity. Like most good ideas in the video game space, it's ruined by greed. The monetization is Snap is a joke. It feels like a gacha game, only worse. At least in a gacha you can spend to get the thing you want. Snap makes you farm for months AND still get good rng with the gacha mechanic.
I was obsessed with this game for over a year. It’s fun and challenging. Sadly I got to the point where it became an addiction and rather than being fun it began to feel like work.
sorry. i had absolutely ZERO faith that any "modern" company would be willing to make a card game that isn't pay to win, so i never bothered picking it up to begin with. sad to see i was not wrong. pay for "cosmetic only" isn't "enough" to keep these "game companies" happy, they always want more. maximize the money extraction! average revenue per User! eventually you will be pressured to pay for the things people actually want to do, and are willing to pay for. which will almost always come down to getting the cards you need to win.
I have played Marvel Snap almost every day for 2 years and I got to say the game is a lot of fun until the point when you unlock all of the series 3 cards. After that, its just a bunch of grinding with a lot of fear of missing out and sunk cost fallacy hooks keeping you going. Like the game by itself is still fun, but everything around it is just terrible. And once you stop playing for a few weeks you fully realize that and very few people go back.
I have such an anti-grind mindset that the success of most mobile games confuses me. The entire monetization system for all these games seem doomed to petter out at some point.
@TheNotableNobody I really hope I didn't bury the lede too much on this one. The system worked when Second Dinner was following through on monetization being mostly cosmetic. It failed when they gave players a chance to get screwed by the token/spotlight key systems that made it very possible/likely to just miss cards for f2p players. Paired with an unwillingness to provide regular Series drops, it lost a lot of love from players.
8:25 I can tell you what my own response was at the time. I hated it. I still do. Bc of those trash tickets I have 300+ reserves left unopened since I don’t want to get any of those tickets until I need them (which is almost never bc I only try to grind Conquest Mode after I reach Infinity in Ranked Mode)
What the hell is that street footage of Korea? There is no sidewalk, no street light, no stop signs, and yet everything flows smoothly and no one seems stressed!!! Unreal
An entirely new video you should do is show how location and deck based match making are a thing. SD manipulates the meta to protect the season pass card and the spotlight cards. Play like 20 games per card type, document each of your opponents and locations, then change and do the same. You will see you'll get a different set of locations and a different type of opponent. SD job is to make money, so they have to make the community feel a card will change their luck. Look at the history of Luke Cage and what they did to him for like 3 months to protect season release cards.
I have never been tricked/hooked by a F2P model for any game, ever. I even played Hearthstone since beta without spending one penny on it. Built up a significant collection too. But with Marvel Snap, I caved. I started by buying the 10 dollar season pass…. and before I knew it, I had spent almost $300 in a few months. And the reason? You basically HAVE to spend money to get a deck worth playing. Ben Brod is full of crap. You absolutely can turbo your way through the collecting process. You just have to spend a LOT of money.
It’s full of garbage for rewards…. $80 for a non-variant card and 10k credits? That has garbage loot, like dumb ass titles and gold tickets that I never use. No thanks. Rip off AF
i've just left at the week 1 of the Satyr sesson pass (I even brought it). I took a brief hiatus during phoenix season as the update stopped working on my phone. Came back early this year. Became a grind and not packing cards. It was fun but i sunk waaaay to much money into this game for me to still be missing 'Staple' cards.
This game was great but greed ruined it when they kept releasing new cards and the way to gained them did not change in a way to favor all types of players only the whales 🐋 High voltage was a fresh take but that got taken away and kept the same old stale game
This game fundamentally cannot be a pay to win game cause you cannot directly buy all the cards, and even so all of the Good cards are typically in series 3 which majority of the community can freely get to in 3ish weeks. Also Just cause you have GORE doesn't mean it's an instant win. Even with a BRAIN DEAD card like red hulk he wasn't a guaranteed win.
I disagree, when Arishem came out he had A 75% play rate which means at least there were 75% of players who immediately got him, and as someone who has played games where you gain all the cards, trust me it is not worth it. It is far more boring and unplayable when you have all the cards then when you have most of them, that is the truth you all have most of them if you played the game since launch. I am ready to disagree and be wrong but in my opinion I believe that yes it could be better with them always releasing series 5s and only nerfing characters when they are after the season pass but it is far more enjoyable than all other greedy mobile games combined, and I think that is what makes you all mad, you love the game but hate how they incentivise the game making you do the brunt of the work
Lets add that at a certain point the Featured Mystery Variant will start awarding Avatars instead of Card Variants, and at the same time they will also change it so that Spotlight Keys will do the same. You heard me correctly iI am a 34700 Level. I am missing a TON of variants yet they now feel a need to award me Avatars with Spotlight Keys.
i seriously cannot believe we STILL have gold conquest tickets in caches. genuinely the most insulting thing this game has ever done, quite literally calling the player base dumb and bad at the game as if a golden ticket has ANY value and is not extremely easy to acquire for free. I’ve been playing this game since launch, 21k collection level, own every card, and i am so done with this game. i am patiently waiting to see what they do about the backlash they’re getting right now but i haven’t played the game at all this month and have no interest in doing so. i claim my free gold from the gold pass i already paid for and thats it
does anyone else remember when they saw people were excited for that peach momoko she-hulk bundle which was super affordable, and they nearly quadrupled the price and replaced half the resources with CONQUEST TICKETS. i have not trusted these devs ever since
14:55 THIS, if second dinner stopped acting like it was a “better monetized card game” while being the worst monetized card game on the App Store. Is annoying. On top of that it feels like a chore to play for my credits instead of playing for fun and getting credits as a bonus.
It’s crazy how people will quit a mobile game because they added some micro transactions when people will gladly drop 20$ on call of duty to have shiny bullet trails.
The 2 main issues that killed the game for me was that unlocking cards in the game was brutal. I played the game for close to a year and didn't have hardly any suitable cards unlocked to make useful decks to push up the ranks. The second issue I have with this game is that they change what cards do over time. This isn't necessarily bad on paper and it also keeps the cards feeling fresh but It just feels so bad to build a deck around the function of a card and them to come in and completely change how that card works and in a lot of cases completely destroy how it works. Sometimes it's just minor adjustments which is fine but when you completely change the whole dynamic of the card and you don't have enough cards to adapt to that change then it just feels really bad.
great video overall but 12:29 is the only point i 100% disagree in the video, in marvel snap the "its just cosmetics" is a huge lie, skin bundles show up even if you DONT own a card, and the same way i bought black swan bp and got Death variant from it and was able to use without ever owning the base one(still dont) i already got offered both Thanos, Galactus and a lot of tier 5 cards variants for absurd prices and literally nothing is stopping me from buying those variants and get said card without even getting a single collection level before, not to mention they also offer base cards now. i have a psychlock and other tier 4 card i forgot bundles with the base card on it
I stand by what I said, but you do have a good point. The fact that you can actually "just come to a game and drop hundreds of dollars to get" a few cards in the game. Buying Variants in shop does unlock the card, something I didn't realize early on until I purchased the Peach Momoko Mystique, prior to unlocking Mystique, only later to unlock the base Mystique. Definitely something I should have mentioned in the Monetization portion of the vid.
Meanwhile in present Marvel Snap days we are getting cards with 104 dollar price tags on them because the game knows we don't have them... 1 card, 104 Cad dollars... What? Sure it comes with 10,000 credits, but whaaaat?
What went wrong with Marvel snap. Wasn't microtransactions it wasn't the cards needing to be reworked it wasn't always introducing new cards. It wasn't any of those things. It was plain and simple The progression of your collection was artificially slowed. Having the collection level track full of avatars credits boosters and titles in golden caches makes people feel like the work is for nothing. Golden caches should only contain cards or tokens anything else not only makes progression feel like a slog but every time new cards are added you're further and further behind. I'm not saying everyone should be able to have every car available but if you being consistent you should be able to keep up at least and make some decisions instead of being having to grind to get the deck rather than just being able to naturally collect all the pieces or at least most of them. Another thing is just collection tokens being at such small amounts makes the economy for cards just depressing for people that continue to play because having a two or 300 chunk B once every six caches depressing. The players time is just not respected because progression is filled with artificial buffers and padding.
The thing that killed Marvel Snap for me was the cheater bots. For those who don't know, the game does have bots in order to allow for quick match making. Normally, these bots play like a mid level player. They'll make plays you would expect a person to make. However, sometimes bots are dirty cheaters. They will make plays that make no sense unless they know exactly what you are playing and where. This is a problem because I quit when they introduced an arena system where you play several games for extra rewards, and they left the cheater bots in. So you would have a win streak stolen by a cheater bot who will almost always win.
Reason why I've recently decided to quit Marvel snap is Spending money on the current season pass to get the sweet season pass card only for them to nerf that card the next month, or in Surtur's case the next fucking week. Work my ass off to build a competitive deck, then boom, OTA comes along and completely kills the Deck. It keeps fucking happening, so then next month a complete sweet card gets released, everyone gets excited to play it, they spend the money, then boom OTA comes a long and nerfs the card, so that you can then focus on the next season pass card or the next juicy overpowered card. So this trend of releasing overpowered cards to get you to buy it, then nerf it the next month over just kills the game for me. They claim its for balance reasons, and sometimes it is, but its clear they're doing this on purpose and I'm just tired of it.
I was a regular Marvel Snap player for almost 18 months. But over time the game felt tiring & repetitive. Every 3rd game would be destroy deck. Thanos deck became too common. It felt like you play 5 games & the cycle of game type repeated again from 6th game. Devs took lot of efforts to nerf & buff cards to make people use more varieties, but seems like it didn’t do much. What my solution would had been was to add a huge amount of series 3 cards each month. Powers could look redundant, but it wouldmake card collection interesting. For example, many characters already introduced in MCU were definitely not coming back. They could have just added them despite the theme or promotion they are running along with MCU’s release. Characters like Obidiah Stane, Howard Stark, Whiplash, Frost Giants, Darcy Lewis, Erik Selvig, Dormammu, and many other other pre-Thanos characters.
I played on launch, and the game is fun, but once they started adding pool 4 and 5 and didn’t move any of them down it became impossible to keep up. The collection system worked when the highest pool was 3, after that it became impossible to keep up at all and there’s no point
New Players view: I started about 1 month + to play marvel snap and it was a lot of fun (coming from HS) now that i rank up higher Plat+ it feels like i cant get any further its against people who own a lot of strong cards that i just cant own. I am talking about series 3 cards here! The Progress by play is so bad that its not worth my time climbing a little bit in the Season Pass to get 10 Boosters of something and 3 lvls and 2hrs after that 100 Credits so u can climb only 2 lvl further your "Unlock path" to get everything else then a card. It would be great to have a locked Credits per game reward system where u can choose your own pace of unlocking cards and stuff, or at least to choose the stuff thats in the chest. I bought the agent venom battle pass because of venom and carnage to build an destroy deck otherwise i wouldnt have any "stronger" working deck. Thats somehow sad tbh.
Got tired after facing too many bots. After the season reset you just get put up against bots and you would think thats not a bad thing but no most of the time they were either set up to make you lose (armor and anti reveal decks when using destroy decks) or they would retreat when you are about to win and you only get 2 cubes.
I stopped playing because I was only getting 2 cubes a match. Every opponent would auto-retreat every time I snapped. You can't even grind if you only get 2 cubes a game. It would take forever to get anything.
I have no idea why they got rid of the token shop, it was honestly a solid progression system. I played pretty casually and was able to collect 3 of the most expensive cards at the time, (thanos, galactus and kang) who were all meta defining. Progression is a slog now and the rng aspect of spotlight caches are cringe af. If you stop playing for a bit like myself you are so out of sync and are like 10 metas behind.
Seeing only s5 cards was making things hard for f2p but doing the math, $20 for gold to buy tokens on Tuesday, make a s5 card $120, so the worst s5 hydra bob is 120 how?
Hey, to open a cache with a chance to get the new weekly card - you need credits. They have reduced the number of credits that you can earn - leading you to get the overpriced bundles or use 6000 tokens. You said it was just cosmetic, well it is not.
I hate to say it, I fully agree with everything said here. I picked up snap on open launch, and been buying season pass as a way to support the creators. I've spent zero dollars in anything else. It's still a lot of money spent, but I rationalized it as a way to support a game I enjoy, that I play, even if I fully disagree with their mtx shop, and some core elements that they refuse to address (like pool drops). And yes, content creators are the backbone of any game. Still pains me to know that when creators are invited for their promos, they're not paid. And this game makes millions, and they cant find in their budget to pay creators, besides providing travel and accomodation. And creators only getting 2k gold boost as an incentive... yeh, like gold is worth anything in this game, besides buying cosmetics. When I think about this game seriously, I struggle to find reasons not to flat out quit it. Even more so when the last series drops were pathetic, even if you think they were decent. A ton of cards were released since the last drop, and they pretty much picked cards that saw little play to begin with. They had to do a 30-40 card drop for it to be meaningful and say "hey, new players, we gotchu, you wont fall that much behind". But they didnt. So no, it's not self interest with that disapointment, I had all of those cards and then some So thank you for this video. I dont think it's enough for 2nd dinner to get their act together. They really should give devs the power to do these decisions, and not obviously the marketing\sales team. Because that will hurt the game up until the point everyone just walks away. It's been done before, and it will be no shocker to anyone when it happens again.
I’m not a gambler and have always been bad at it. I love to just make decks, try out new things, and don’t prefer to play the same deck over and over and over but this game doesn’t allow for that unless you play the meta over and over and over again. And if you don’t play, for points and gamble well, then you don’t move up.😓
I stopped right after Deadpool's diner and I've thought about coming back but I also recognize that I've lost out on months and months of currency and that just feels bad, and games shouldn't make you feel bad
It’s obvious now that they see the app has run its course, now they are just trying to squeeze as much money as they can before it completely dies. Sad really. Could have been a game that went on for a long time
It’s amazing how this is the only game where its players will willing accept that they should never enjoy all the cards unless they pay. Like what is the point of playing a CARD game if you can’t play the CARDS you want. But they simply accept that idea because daddy brode said so. The new spotlight system is worse than the original system the moment there were more than 50 or so S4/S5. It’s also obvious that they just power creep as much as they can. Just look at Galacta: she’s a better Gwenpoole. Every new card is S5 (who would’ve seen it coming) and the one they give for free is a terrible S4 card.
This is probably my last season pass purchase. I even debated about deleting the app altogether.. with the things that you show in the video I’m only double frustrated by the amount of crashing the game has now and it’s even locking up in the middle of matches.
17:11 I played daily, bought season passes, did all the missions and grinded as much as I could to get as many keys as possible and I still couldn't keep up due to bad RNG and never having enough "luck" to get the hot new thing in 1 or 2 tries. This was a major reason I had to quit.
Skill issue
@@Dahlialien_ DUR HURRRRR!! Good one!!
Ive had great luck on seasons i didnt really care about but the one i did not as much. The whole symbiote month was disappointing for me
I had exactly the same experience and even spent money early in. It really started feeling like a job rather than a fun side game. It was just too much.
The sad part is that I've actually created a new account which is purely f2p and yet I still get a duplicate pull from the spotlight cache. That in itself is dissapointing.
Whats funny is the advertisement of the game was "there isnt any pay to win just play and have fun" and look at it now
I think with season pass you can get 3/5 new cards
It never was. Not with the card attached to the monthly pass that wouldn't be available until months if you don't buy the monthly pass.
it was always pay to win. Playing it for more than the tutorial phase would have shown that.
They’re low key right. I have nothing but basic cards and have had the same deck for over a year and have a 67% win
In that very ad, it says “we made a game where you can’t jump in and buy the cards” then literally say” sure can you buy cards?”
With so many cards in pools 4 and 5 and to have the random spotlight key giving you a copy of a pool 4 or 5 only for to turn into 1000 tokens is and was the biggest slap in the face to players.... thats when i knew when to stop playing this
You entitled kids make me laugh. I've only paid for 2 season and never had a problem with having most cards
@rayromano6249 lucky you
@@HarioGu it's not luck, it's called patience, something kids don't have. You all want everything unlocked immediately. That's not a game's fault but immature mentality
@@Laurence1476 nah not even close to the truth.. but whatever
@@rayromano6249 you're also a bot. why you're here trolling, we'll never know. co find something constructive to do, junior.
I stopped immediately after Zabu expansion. The pay to win stank so bad and yes, grinding the cards everyday/week to have a fighting chance was not worth it.
Looking for who asked 😂😂😂
@@MrRedx55 Looks like I found someone who cares
@@MrRedx55 listening to the frozen soundtrack waiting for who asked 💀
@@MrRedx55yk you’re in a comment section right 😂
Zabu expansion!?!? You don’t even belong in this convo you gave up the game before it got really bad you weren’t there to even experience what everyone else has 😭😭😭
The last part is honestly the biggest issue of all. As a ftp player, hell even as a dolphin, if you are not logging in every 8 hours you're falling behind. So if you take a break, you are NOT catching up.
@AshBlossomWorshiper it's ultimately the main reason why I stopped playing. Even if you are on that daily though, your key could still miss and you're potentially out several months worth of collecting tokens
I agree. The conquest tickets in the collection track are crap.
Dont forget the amazing 500% value bundles in the shop with GOLD tickets! +200 extra boosters.
The best deal they have EVER done.. smh
100 tokens in the collection track is a slap to the face.
Yes! And why don't they give gold for excess crowns and tickets at the end of the season? I don't need more boosters!😠
Conquest tickets, avatar icons, titles, it's all so, so bad
The manner that you presented all the relevant facts and little things here and there that has added up over the last 2 years with this game…. Was just beautiful. Bravo. You should be proud of this video
@MRViperlash7 I really appreciate it, and I hope it helps people put into words exactly what the last 2 years of SNAP was to them.
I feel like the downfall began for me when they started releasing 2 new cards the first week of the month (season pass and a new spotlight card) prior to that it often felt like I could reasonably keep up on the collection if I bought the pass. After that it seems like they just wanted to increase the grind of the game. With Deadpool’s diner then alliances then leagues all requiring a ton of grinding if you wanted to get the rewards, on top of grinding ladder and grinding conquest. I am still playing but have scaled way back no longer do alliances, don’t play conquest and frequently take time off. We’ll see if I keep going but it is just too much to keep up at this point,
@brendangallagher6496 I love Conquest, but it's a heavier time requirement, esp in infinite. Diner is fine, but if you're losing and miss out because your card pool sucks then I can't imagine that feels good for newer players(?). And the spotlight system just feels so... why? Let people choose what they want. I would still key to get the skins. You can pretty reliably get 3 keys a week if you're really going at it.
14:31 Or get rid of this mystery slot bullshit. It almost always feels like shit. I skip fenrir for a reason, I rolled for Gorr, I got fenrir out of the mystery. My reaction wasn't, "oh boy, the card I didn't roll a single key for last week." It was, "oh boy, at least it's a series 5 and I didn't get bent over for 1k tokens on a dupe." Which even that isn't great.
@ I don’t mind the spotlight system as much as most because in the end it is not much different than the token system except you sometimes get a discount and you get extra stuff sometimes. I mind the grind to get the resources to max it out and the FOMO of not doing it. I don’t hate conquest but it is more time commitment, same with Deadpool’s diner, and alliances, and Leagues. They are all grind festa for resources and for me it got to be too much so I scaled back to mostly just ladder. I also stopped caring about being collection complete (I got there like month 2 or spotlights because it was easier in early spotlights to gain on the collection then it is now because more cards are released and nothing is series 4.). I just look for fun cards that interest me and play with those. This season it was Malekith. I had fun with him. I am enjoying Etri as well but I stopped climbing diner once I got him because I did not like the grind.
@brendangallagher6496 I had a good amount of fun with the Venom season. AntiVenom ended up being a personal favorite with Frigga and Luke Cage. But yeah, the grind just feels miserable at times.
@@TheAverageGatsbyI played the diner on a new account they will match you with new players.
Also why the slot machine?
Money. They need to make money.
The majority of snap is free, and you level up quite fast so they have to Halt your pace or else you're just gonna get everything for relatively free, and be BORED.
They can't release less cards or there's less to do
They can't release more cards or there's too much bloat so they have to just slow down the progression.
Its kinda how actual card collecting works, but tbh if they made dupes 3k I think people would be less upset.
As an f2p player, I've been monitoring my acquisition since launch. Honestly the spotlight system was great, and at the start of this year I was missing only 7 cards. I even bought a thank you one-time season pass in Hope Summers. Little did I realize the thumbscrews were being turned. The extra card each season, almost all cards releasing as series 5, season pass cards never returning as spotlights, the stingy series drops that contain bad cards, etc.
Now I'm still sitting on 66k+ tokens like a dragon, but while in other card games I can freely spend my free resources to get a meta deck every 4 months or so (10k dust for Hearthstone, 800 pack points for Pokemon Pocket), I can't do that with Snap: If I spend 24k tokens, I'm not going to regain those 24k tokens in the next 4 months. That will take me the next 2 years!
Besides this I think new and returning players have it harder than me.
I didn’t intentionally stop playing the game. It just got less fun over time. Ans less rewarding
Great video, and you get bonus points for the MvC music hiding in the video. That spiderman theme is so good.
I hope they finally just give us the option to pick what we want with keys. Series drops do almost nothing when it's 5 to 4, we don't get tokens at a relevant rate like we do keys
@TheArctus Man, if we got to pick what we wanted, this video probably wouldn't have been made. Hell, even just removing the "mystery slot" would have been alright with me.
Also, my man, always loving the MVC soundtracks
@@TheAverageGatsby Play Marvel Snap. It's a good game.
>be card game players
>"These card games are too P2W and a money sink!"
>Games fail for being too greedy
>Be Riot
>Make the most generous card game ever
>It's TOO generous, it doesn't break even and it dies
>"Well, it failed because we want the adrenaline of pulling rare cards from packs, we don't want you to just give us the cards to play, they should have added more gacha mechanics!"
Honestly, we deserve to suffer.
LoR had the same issue, you got 2000 green....whatever that currency was per week and you needed 750 per day to unlock that competitive track or whatever it was, that was the beginning of the end. Also not nerfing some decks for months while nerfing others instantly. Why do we need to play for months against Ahri/Kennen and Lurk while Iceborn Spiders gets nerfed instantly, makes no sense. Same thing happens in snap there is absolutely no reason to nerf a card exactly 1 week after it's in a spotlight, happened too many times. As long as games don't learn to nerf/buff way more often it will keep happening.
Just goes to show that the Skinner box rats playing for "rewards" vastly outnumber the people who play for the enjoyment of the game itself. Psychological warfare has so overtaken the gaming industry that most players literally do not know what fun is anymore.
Do not consume f2p mobile products as they are nothing more than gambling.
Saying you can’t spend money to get cards, when they’re having these “just for you” bundles where they offer you cards that you don’t have for money
Also Brode talking about boosters being needed to increase CL but not a single word about credits, which are the true limiting factor. That's beyond shady.
As a pocket player I’m assuming he has no idea how that works either . The best pocket decks are not flip decks and never will be
"with the *occasional* 4-key spotlight"
Mannn. I started March 2024 missing only 3 cards in the game with a few Spotlight keys to spare.
Over the next 6 months, I was 8-for-8 when it comes to spotlight cards costing 4 keys, which put me up to I think like 16 cards missing? War Machine, USAgent, Red Guardian, Valentina, Sage, Thena, Ajax, Silver Sable-- all 4 keys.
I was already starting to see the cracks in the card acquisition model, but the 8th one broke me and I had to uninstall. So far, for good!
The one that recently killed me. I own every Thanos card that has come out. I save all my tokens and gold to buy anything Thanos that comes out. When they released the Thanksgiving Thanos card for $70 Canadian. I said nope, and accepted the fact that I won't own all the Thanos cards now.
@travismorden8327 I loved collecting all the midnight sun tarot cards, but it sucks knowing I'll never own the Magick or Ironman ones because I didn't want to spend 15 bucks and didn't grind enough conquest.
Don't forget that buying a variant with real money also unlocks the card. So those $100 bundles were getting you cards you didn't have to grind for.
It's almost like you can give them money, and they will give you better cards!
I love how people complain about card games being pay to win of course they are all of them are get a clue I’m so sick of whiney people 😂
I have learned a lot from Ben brode as a game developer, but I can't play 95% of mobile games including Snap in good conscience. The mobile gaming market is predatory. I'm devoting my energy to making ethically-priced mobile games these days so that people can enjoy complete games at an accessible price point that bring them joy rather than give them a sinking feeling in the chest whenever another bundle is shoved in their faces.
As a guy missing over 20 cards and also owning 4 ultimate variants. It has nothing to do with being a whale. I play my 3 main decks and like to drip them out.
@LilBoTeeth honestly respect. I always love seeing players that have full ink'd out variants.
Korean background with the GS25 convenience store is very nostalgic. Good video.
I am daily (mission) player from almost a start. I have bought 2 season passes during my play (once per year as a thank You to developers), because it feels like 10$ per year game to me. I almost never spend gold or tokens in a game (I bought Galactus and Thanos for tokens in a time, when it was/intended to be the only way to acquire them). I don't have a fomo for latest cards. I have unopened 630 collectors reserves because they don't give stuff I want. All my strategy is to get missing cards, no matter what they are. The cards I own already makes me competitive enough. When 7:12 happened I was missing 20 cards in my collection. Right now I am missing 30 cards and I have 3 keys waiting for next spotlight cashes with at least 2 missing cards (50/50 chance). If I spend my gold and tokens, I would easily go under missing 20 cards.
IMHO spotlight cashes system works for a ftp player like me. And I play game that are much worse... Disney Speedstorm.
@pirotehs I mean if we want to talk games that are much worse, I have several Duel Links videos on the channel from previous years.
The amount of times i wanted to throw my phone when a spotlight cache gave me 1000 tokens even though i still had cards to win jeez
I stopped playing 9 months ago at the end of the Shaw Season. Spotlights felt too min maxy to be fun. There's no agency in anything you collect, and the balance at the time was bad for me. I think the final straw was nerfing Dracula as Annihilus was still prominent.
Started back playing recently because Gorr was good in Negative and I like that kinda highroll all or nothing sort of deck. But I play like 1 or two games a day and move on because other cards I need to make decks I wanna play are still 6000 tokens and I don't have enough and they aren't appearing in my shop and they aren't in the spotlight and I'm not gonna log in every 8 hours to check and not being able to draw ANY series 4 or 5 cards in the now useless reserve system is what really hurts especially after lowering token gain from them AND removing gold from them in an attempt to get you to spend. It's a general feels bad.
The recent series drop is crazy to me because I was 2 cards off from collection complete when I stopped playing as a dolphin player, and out of the 9 months I was away I missed maybe 40-45 cards and somehow I'm still series 3 complete. Some cards that have been out for years like Iron Lad should have been dropped to at least Series 3. Jeff too. It's just their way to make you grind for cards that are absolutely more powerful/universal or waste all your resources on them. I don't even know why every cards starts at series 5. Is it to mask the perceived strength of the card? You can't be sure to skip it if the card turns out to be strong, but starting at series 4 might make people think it's okay to pass it up. Idk they fumbled hard
I took a break after the Zabu meta because I was feeling burnt out only to come back and realize I was now forever going to be lagging behind. The rate at which they add series 5 cards to the game while slowly dropping cards to lower series makes card collecting a slog. They seem to intentionally be keeping better cards in series 5 too. Some cards dropped a series after a few months but others haven't dropped in like a year. Sometimes more.
Also, MvC music in the background. Very based.
I stopped playing somewhere Q1 in 2024, because it felt like you had to spend money to get the battle pass and you had to spend money to reliably get the spotlight cards and to keep up with the meta you had to have new cards abd so every new card drop felt po7ntless since you won't be having most of the new cards, so the dopamine kick from constantly getting new cards faded away quickly and coming back now, is like starting playing Hearthstone again for the first time. Good luck keeping up.
The main issue I had with the game was lack of credits. Only available in daily missions. Once you complete them there’s no point in playing anymore for that day as you can’t advance without credits. I enjoyed the game but I like to grind and feel like I’m progressing to something. It’s why as expensive as it is I keep up with hearthstone as every game progresses the the rewards track
You didn't even touch on them adding a new card each month starting around June 2024.
Prior to this, the Season Pass earned you the first new card and you could coast the first week and stock up for the second new card. Now, every season starts with two new cards, for a total of five. Recent seasons are adding a sixth new card via the High Voltage or Deadpool's Diner. So, players now get to scramble to acquire six new Series 5 cards each month.
Two of the new cards this Rivals season indicate that they'll not run out of material to generate new cards. Bruce Banner and Groot+Rocket seem almost like a threat, "We'll always have fresh ways to push new cards." Get ready for Peter Parker and Wanda+Vision.
I'm waiting for the pokemon "TAG TEAM EX" cards that take up two slots instead of one haha. They were never going to run out of characters, we will end up seeing alt universes/etc before that happens.
@ oh yeah there are still hundreds more they could use beyond just going to combos and alter egos of existing cards
I had to stop playing about 2 months ago. There was a new car drop every week, drastically changing the meta every 30 minutes. I wasn't getting free cards monthly, I wasn't unlocking new cards more than once a week or less. I was getting a hundred tokens a week. None of the rewards on anything seemed worth it when all I needed were cards. And all the new cards were making so many other cards obsolete or just breaking them. And finally in most importantly the RNG is Savage, between card drops or game scenarios
I quit about a year ago, for the exact reasons you state in the video and I just came back this week. I have to say, I'm about to quit again...
I used to have a pretty much complete collection, having played since the beginning and having gotten all season passes up to that point. So now I have got dozens of new cards to collect and they're pretty much *all* series 5! I even had 12 Spotlight Keys saved up, but still the climb to catch up seem utterly impossible. It's insane to me that they haven't changed any of these mechanics ever since I quit for the first time. Surely the game can't be profitable in its current state, can it? The only way to have fun in this game (and yes, constantly trying out new stuff is what makes games like these fun) is if you started playing on day one and haven't missed a single season pass ever since...? How many of those are left? I found a single catch up mechanic (if you want to call it that), which was a 5,99€ "welcome back bundle" for some gold and credits that I didn't buy... so it disappeared after not even 24 hours. What even is this?
The main reason is burn out, you forced play everyday for a week just to get 1000 tokens or bad variants.
And honestly, most 2024 cards are bad.
Edit: i am back!
Honestly, when i say bad. Most cards are forgotten or nobody plays it anymore especially most (2024) season pass cards which is i disappointed.
I rarely (never) see black swan, zemo, blink, gilgamesh for past month. But card like red hulk, red guardian, scream, scorn, arishem become mainstream and should be season pass instead.
Here some my tierlist
Note: I don't have all of them, i evaluate by my opponent play it, how easy to beat it or other factors like predictable and forgetable. I made this list early december, i might change the list because of OTA or new cards.
Skaar: good
Caeira: good
Hercules: bad
Miek: bad
Grandmaster: mid
Beta Ray Bill: Bad
Black Swan: worse
Supergiant: bad
Cull Obsidian: mid
Corvus Glaive: good
Proxima Midnight: mid
Hope Summers: good
Pixie: bad
Mockingbird: good
Cannonball: good
War Machine: good
Baron Zemo: worse
Red Hulk: good
Us Agent: bad
Red Guardian: good
White Widow: mid
Valentina: mid
Blink: mid
Nocturne: mid
Sage: mid
Namora: mid
Sasquatch: bad
Gilgamesh: mid
Thena: good
Sersi: mid
Makkari: worse
Phastos: mid
Arishem: game changer
Gwenpool: good
Bob: bad
Ajax: mid
Cassandra Nova: mid
Copycat: bad
Kate Bishop: mid
Marvel Boy: mid
Wiccan: mid
Speed: bad
Hulkling: worse
Symbiote Spider-Man: mid
Silver Sable: mid
Madame Webb: mid
Arana: mid
Scarlet Spider: bad
Agent Venom: mid
Scream: good
Toxin: mid
Scorn: good
Misery: mid
Anti-Venom: bad
Agony: mid
Surtur: good
Fenris Wolf: bad
Frigga: mid
Malekith: worse
King Eitri: mid
Gorr: mid
Galacta: mid
Luna Snow: mid
Peni Parker: possible mid?
Doom 2099: possible good?
Rocket and Groot: possible mid?
Good: 15
Very mainstream and sometime unbeatable and unpredictable.
Mid: 28
Sometimes they good but mostly don't
Bad: 13
Worse: 5
No need to explain
@kucinghoren7864 I gotta disagree, there are a lot of really good cards, especially for things like discard, build arounds like Arishim, and meta crashers like Red Hulk.
Just make sure your key doesn't miss otherwise I'll see you in the token shop -6,000 😉
Edit:the burnout thing though, yeah that's probably accurate.
I'm a new player, but I'm think I am slowly getting this feeling
This month and next month pretty much all the cards are good. Or, at least, look good. Particularly next month. S.H.I.E.L.D decks gonna go crazy.
all of the cards this year have been good/ niche just stop chatting.
You have to play 1-3hours at worst depending on your schedule.
You can miss two days, and still get the full rewards. It just sounds like you've gotten all you can out the game.
Game taik ini emg bang. Bajingan pelit sumpah.
The issue why I stopped playing is that after opening 100 caches I still got not enough tokens to buy the meta relative card I needed to stay competitive. This game needs some sort of crafting system like master duel, Gwent and yes, pokemon tcg pocket.
I spend so much money on marvel snap but I still felt like a nightmare to keep up. Maintaining infinite and having all the cards is annoying, a lot of the initial bundles were awful
I still think it’s a fun game it only gets gross if your a maniac and need all the cards at once lol
Snap is the best online tcg gameplay wise, hands down. But the best decision i made for myself was leaving it for Pokemon Pocket. I can’t support SD and their crap any longer.
It's been a while since I played Marvel Snap, so it was nice to see it. Monetization of mobile games is always a nightmare.
This is wild. Exactly a year ago I was neck deep into Snap. What ruined it for me was the ridiculously expensive variant bundles. Over $100 CAD for one card variant? Come on...
This Video is very accurate and doesnt overly dramatize everything.
The amount of times i heard people say SD needs to do something fast because of the Pokemon Pocket is insane, of couse Pokemon is successful no cap. But Marvel Snap suffers mostly form Problems it has created itself, the release of pocked was just one of the tipping points that got the community to speak out for once more. I dont think the team behind marvel snap worrys that much about pocket and they honestly should not. (Btw, we also need to see for how long Pokemon Pocked will even be popular, I saw Pokemon fumble this bag several times now. Although this is likely there best shot yet, i didnt even want to engage with the PTC games anymore because of that.)
I really hope SD is really working on some new systems that help especially new and returing players to get faster into the core Collection of Marvel Snap. Players that already play for at least 6-8 months are getting a good experience for the most part in my Opinion, the major issue the game has is with new player and the gigantic hill that Series 3 has become. Picking one specific Series 3 card for free is not just not enough anymore if anyone wants to build a specifc deck. And if you just come back from a pause of the game, there is a good chance you cant pick up a new card for 3 weeks because you need to stack up on keys first and even then you must hope one of the Spotlights is good for your collection.
Fun game if you just keep it casual
I recently stopped playing after having played since nearly the start. I found that I was missing two cards that I hadn't had a chance to pick up in all the top decks. With no way of accessing them and seeing the deck often, I had no way of playing it or getting in front of it. I just moved on, and haven't looked back. It's too bad they never fixed their card acquisition issue. The fact that you only got 1K of tokens for a key that you already had was crap.
Greed, incompetence, and taking many months to respond to literally anything if they even bother to respond at all, all to the detriment of the player experience. I played Marvel Snap for 7 months and I watched in real time how little the developers cared about making the game better as they added more and more to nickel and dime people and little to actually improve the game experience. I finally broke free in mid-2024 and I will never ever return to Marvel Snap because it is obvious they care about money far more than they care about making a game that is fun to play, with reasonable card acquisition time.
I quit about 6 months ago, it will be hard at first, the fomo remains for a while, but evetually when time passes and you see that they are never going to fix things and they only care about whales, you feel really good about your desition 😅
7:10 also, this was the moment that you can no longer earn gold(premium currency) through main progression system, making it much harder to buy bundles-main source of tokens
I tapped out of Pokémon Go earlier this year after playing it since a year on from its inception. Started on Snap about 6 weeks ago after seeing a TH-cam ad. I’m having a great time with it so far, its very addictive, although I don’t think I will ever ‘complete’ my collection. I’m not trying to though. The mix of cards i get from the new and old releases provides fun, playable decks, and the addition of Valentina to my decks keeps me topped up with some of the interesting newer 6 cost cards that I don’t have yet. A good casual game, I’ll try not to get obsessed with like i did with PoGo.
Marvel Snap is pay to win.
marvel snap is pay to keep paying
I stopped after deadpool dinner, I buy few season pass, I alway grind and try as best as I can to manager the economy. That month I was so busy so I haven't play much and when I play my RNG is so bad. I always lost in deadpool diner, i even play in my friend phone and won easily but don't know why I always lost in mine. However my reason to stop playing is not just that, that month is just suck for me, all my keys have the worst luck it's like the game tell me to stop playing, so I did
I remember gaming at 30! I spent most of my night playing Ghostbusters Spirits Unleashed last night. ❤
spoiler alert, being able to pay to "speed up" your collection of boosters is, in fact, paying to get all the cards in the game. don't know why that's so difficult for some people to accept...
Exactly
Boosters do not give you new cards or more cards it allows you to unlock cosmetics for the cards you have.
Do your research, you look dumb.
The absurd prices is what did it for me. I realized i can win without new cards its easy. I now only buy the season pass like on the 3rd week of the month unless i see that the season pass card is really good then i buy first week otherwise i just go without season pass card
Yo, I lowkey forgot about this feature at 5:38, I swear this flew out my mind at least two years ago 😂😂
The game is a grind purge. Best gameplay since so many years for video game TCG but damn I don't want to play 2h a day everyday to just keep up with the game.
I know what you mean. The game is great but it is very hard to keep on top of all the new cards even with daily play and purchasing the monthly pass.
Fun game. I would go as far as to say the gameplay is genius in it's simplicity. Like most good ideas in the video game space, it's ruined by greed. The monetization is Snap is a joke. It feels like a gacha game, only worse. At least in a gacha you can spend to get the thing you want. Snap makes you farm for months AND still get good rng with the gacha mechanic.
I was obsessed with this game for over a year. It’s fun and challenging.
Sadly I got to the point where it became an addiction and rather than being fun it began to feel like work.
sorry. i had absolutely ZERO faith that any "modern" company would be willing to make a card game that isn't pay to win, so i never bothered picking it up to begin with. sad to see i was not wrong. pay for "cosmetic only" isn't "enough" to keep these "game companies" happy, they always want more. maximize the money extraction! average revenue per User! eventually you will be pressured to pay for the things people actually want to do, and are willing to pay for. which will almost always come down to getting the cards you need to win.
Arishem was the nail in the coffin. Pay to win by playing a different game than people who couldn't afford the card.
I started playing marvel snap back in may, i played it for 2 weeks then got bored, that says it all i think.
I have played Marvel Snap almost every day for 2 years and I got to say the game is a lot of fun until the point when you unlock all of the series 3 cards. After that, its just a bunch of grinding with a lot of fear of missing out and sunk cost fallacy hooks keeping you going. Like the game by itself is still fun, but everything around it is just terrible. And once you stop playing for a few weeks you fully realize that and very few people go back.
I have such an anti-grind mindset that the success of most mobile games confuses me. The entire monetization system for all these games seem doomed to petter out at some point.
@TheNotableNobody I really hope I didn't bury the lede too much on this one. The system worked when Second Dinner was following through on monetization being mostly cosmetic.
It failed when they gave players a chance to get screwed by the token/spotlight key systems that made it very possible/likely to just miss cards for f2p players. Paired with an unwillingness to provide regular Series drops, it lost a lot of love from players.
8:25 I can tell you what my own response was at the time. I hated it. I still do. Bc of those trash tickets I have 300+ reserves left unopened since I don’t want to get any of those tickets until I need them (which is almost never bc I only try to grind Conquest Mode after I reach Infinity in Ranked Mode)
What the hell is that street footage of Korea? There is no sidewalk, no street light, no stop signs, and yet everything flows smoothly and no one seems stressed!!! Unreal
An entirely new video you should do is show how location and deck based match making are a thing. SD manipulates the meta to protect the season pass card and the spotlight cards. Play like 20 games per card type, document each of your opponents and locations, then change and do the same. You will see you'll get a different set of locations and a different type of opponent. SD job is to make money, so they have to make the community feel a card will change their luck. Look at the history of Luke Cage and what they did to him for like 3 months to protect season release cards.
I have never been tricked/hooked by a F2P model for any game, ever. I even played Hearthstone since beta without spending one penny on it. Built up a significant collection too. But with Marvel Snap, I caved. I started by buying the 10 dollar season pass…. and before I knew it, I had spent almost $300 in a few months. And the reason? You basically HAVE to spend money to get a deck worth playing.
Ben Brod is full of crap. You absolutely can turbo your way through the collecting process. You just have to spend a LOT of money.
Good video!
I started last year but eventually bailed because there was no way for me to catch up once getting cards slowed to a crawl.
It’s full of garbage for rewards…. $80 for a non-variant card and 10k credits? That has garbage loot, like dumb ass titles and gold tickets that I never use. No thanks. Rip off AF
i've just left at the week 1 of the Satyr sesson pass (I even brought it). I took a brief hiatus during phoenix season as the update stopped working on my phone. Came back early this year.
Became a grind and not packing cards. It was fun but i sunk waaaay to much money into this game for me to still be missing 'Staple' cards.
Why series 5 have 6000 price, it takes a year for that one card
grinded this game so much. took a break for like 2 months. Came back and couldn't catch up anymore
This game was great but greed ruined it when they kept releasing new cards and the way to gained them did not change in a way to favor all types of players only the whales 🐋
High voltage was a fresh take but that got taken away and kept the same old stale game
This game fundamentally cannot be a pay to win game cause you cannot directly buy all the cards, and even so all of the Good cards are typically in series 3 which majority of the community can freely get to in 3ish weeks.
Also Just cause you have GORE doesn't mean it's an instant win.
Even with a BRAIN DEAD card like red hulk he wasn't a guaranteed win.
I disagree, when Arishem came out he had A 75% play rate which means at least there were 75% of players who immediately got him, and as someone who has played games where you gain all the cards, trust me it is not worth it. It is far more boring and unplayable when you have all the cards then when you have most of them, that is the truth you all have most of them if you played the game since launch. I am ready to disagree and be wrong but in my opinion I believe that yes it could be better with them always releasing series 5s and only nerfing characters when they are after the season pass but it is far more enjoyable than all other greedy mobile games combined, and I think that is what makes you all mad, you love the game but hate how they incentivise the game making you do the brunt of the work
Lets add that at a certain point the Featured Mystery Variant will start awarding Avatars instead of Card Variants, and at the same time they will also change it so that Spotlight Keys will do the same. You heard me correctly iI am a 34700 Level. I am missing a TON of variants yet they now feel a need to award me Avatars with Spotlight Keys.
i seriously cannot believe we STILL have gold conquest tickets in caches. genuinely the most insulting thing this game has ever done, quite literally calling the player base dumb and bad at the game as if a golden ticket has ANY value and is not extremely easy to acquire for free. I’ve been playing this game since launch, 21k collection level, own every card, and i am so done with this game. i am patiently waiting to see what they do about the backlash they’re getting right now but i haven’t played the game at all this month and have no interest in doing so. i claim my free gold from the gold pass i already paid for and thats it
does anyone else remember when they saw people were excited for that peach momoko she-hulk bundle which was super affordable, and they nearly quadrupled the price and replaced half the resources with CONQUEST TICKETS. i have not trusted these devs ever since
14:55 THIS, if second dinner stopped acting like it was a “better monetized card game” while being the worst monetized card game on the App Store. Is annoying. On top of that it feels like a chore to play for my credits instead of playing for fun and getting credits as a bonus.
It’s crazy how people will quit a mobile game because they added some micro transactions when people will gladly drop 20$ on call of duty to have shiny bullet trails.
Playing this or one purchase of Balatro? - you know what, Jimbo is technically a Marvel character
10 dollars for a GOTY nominee, or 1/10th of the way to a singular bundle that includes a spotlight key on Marvel Snap.
The 2 main issues that killed the game for me was that unlocking cards in the game was brutal. I played the game for close to a year and didn't have hardly any suitable cards unlocked to make useful decks to push up the ranks. The second issue I have with this game is that they change what cards do over time. This isn't necessarily bad on paper and it also keeps the cards feeling fresh but It just feels so bad to build a deck around the function of a card and them to come in and completely change how that card works and in a lot of cases completely destroy how it works. Sometimes it's just minor adjustments which is fine but when you completely change the whole dynamic of the card and you don't have enough cards to adapt to that change then it just feels really bad.
great video overall but 12:29 is the only point i 100% disagree in the video, in marvel snap the "its just cosmetics" is a huge lie, skin bundles show up even if you DONT own a card, and the same way i bought black swan bp and got Death variant from it and was able to use without ever owning the base one(still dont) i already got offered both Thanos, Galactus and a lot of tier 5 cards variants for absurd prices and literally nothing is stopping me from buying those variants and get said card without even getting a single collection level before, not to mention they also offer base cards now. i have a psychlock and other tier 4 card i forgot bundles with the base card on it
I stand by what I said, but you do have a good point. The fact that you can actually "just come to a game and drop hundreds of dollars to get" a few cards in the game. Buying Variants in shop does unlock the card, something I didn't realize early on until I purchased the Peach Momoko Mystique, prior to unlocking Mystique, only later to unlock the base Mystique. Definitely something I should have mentioned in the Monetization portion of the vid.
Meanwhile in present Marvel Snap days we are getting cards with 104 dollar price tags on them because the game knows we don't have them... 1 card, 104 Cad dollars... What? Sure it comes with 10,000 credits, but whaaaat?
What went wrong with Marvel snap. Wasn't microtransactions it wasn't the cards needing to be reworked it wasn't always introducing new cards. It wasn't any of those things.
It was plain and simple The progression of your collection was artificially slowed.
Having the collection level track full of avatars credits boosters and titles in golden caches makes people feel like the work is for nothing.
Golden caches should only contain cards or tokens anything else not only makes progression feel like a slog but every time new cards are added you're further and further behind.
I'm not saying everyone should be able to have every car available but if you being consistent you should be able to keep up at least and make some decisions instead of being having to grind to get the deck rather than just being able to naturally collect all the pieces or at least most of them.
Another thing is just collection tokens being at such small amounts makes the economy for cards just depressing for people that continue to play because having a two or 300 chunk B once every six caches depressing. The players time is just not respected because progression is filled with artificial buffers and padding.
The thing that killed Marvel Snap for me was the cheater bots. For those who don't know, the game does have bots in order to allow for quick match making. Normally, these bots play like a mid level player. They'll make plays you would expect a person to make. However, sometimes bots are dirty cheaters. They will make plays that make no sense unless they know exactly what you are playing and where. This is a problem because I quit when they introduced an arena system where you play several games for extra rewards, and they left the cheater bots in. So you would have a win streak stolen by a cheater bot who will almost always win.
Reason why I've recently decided to quit Marvel snap is Spending money on the current season pass to get the sweet season pass card only for them to nerf that card the next month, or in Surtur's case the next fucking week. Work my ass off to build a competitive deck, then boom, OTA comes along and completely kills the Deck. It keeps fucking happening, so then next month a complete sweet card gets released, everyone gets excited to play it, they spend the money, then boom OTA comes a long and nerfs the card, so that you can then focus on the next season pass card or the next juicy overpowered card. So this trend of releasing overpowered cards to get you to buy it, then nerf it the next month over just kills the game for me. They claim its for balance reasons, and sometimes it is, but its clear they're doing this on purpose and I'm just tired of it.
I was a regular Marvel Snap player for almost 18 months. But over time the game felt tiring & repetitive. Every 3rd game would be destroy deck. Thanos deck became too common. It felt like you play 5 games & the cycle of game type repeated again from 6th game.
Devs took lot of efforts to nerf & buff cards to make people use more varieties, but seems like it didn’t do much. What my solution would had been was to add a huge amount of series 3 cards each month. Powers could look redundant, but it wouldmake card collection interesting.
For example, many characters already introduced in MCU were definitely not coming back. They could have just added them despite the theme or promotion they are running along with MCU’s release. Characters like Obidiah Stane, Howard Stark, Whiplash, Frost Giants, Darcy Lewis, Erik Selvig, Dormammu, and many other other pre-Thanos characters.
I played on launch, and the game is fun, but once they started adding pool 4 and 5 and didn’t move any of them down it became impossible to keep up. The collection system worked when the highest pool was 3, after that it became impossible to keep up at all and there’s no point
Marvel snap is also a coin flip game. Gambit, Hela, Corvus Glave, Lady Sif, Malekith, etc…
New Players view: I started about 1 month + to play marvel snap and it was a lot of fun (coming from HS) now that i rank up higher Plat+ it feels like i cant get any further its against people who own a lot of strong cards that i just cant own. I am talking about series 3 cards here! The Progress by play is so bad that its not worth my time climbing a little bit in the Season Pass to get 10 Boosters of something and 3 lvls and 2hrs after that 100 Credits so u can climb only 2 lvl further your "Unlock path" to get everything else then a card. It would be great to have a locked Credits per game reward system where u can choose your own pace of unlocking cards and stuff, or at least to choose the stuff thats in the chest. I bought the agent venom battle pass because of venom and carnage to build an destroy deck otherwise i wouldnt have any "stronger" working deck. Thats somehow sad tbh.
Got tired after facing too many bots. After the season reset you just get put up against bots and you would think thats not a bad thing but no most of the time they were either set up to make you lose (armor and anti reveal decks when using destroy decks) or they would retreat when you are about to win and you only get 2 cubes.
I stopped playing because I was only getting 2 cubes a match. Every opponent would auto-retreat every time I snapped. You can't even grind if you only get 2 cubes a game. It would take forever to get anything.
I have no idea why they got rid of the token shop, it was honestly a solid progression system. I played pretty casually and was able to collect 3 of the most expensive cards at the time, (thanos, galactus and kang) who were all meta defining. Progression is a slog now and the rng aspect of spotlight caches are cringe af. If you stop playing for a bit like myself you are so out of sync and are like 10 metas behind.
I quit during Zabu and Silver Surfer seasons because I saw all of this coming a long way off.
What always goes wrong with any free game. Some people get greedy as fuck and the focus of the game becomes making more money instead of being good.
Seeing only s5 cards was making things hard for f2p but doing the math, $20 for gold to buy tokens on Tuesday, make a s5 card $120, so the worst s5 hydra bob is 120 how?
Cant wait for the inevitable Rivals video.
I stopped playing bc it felt like a job and not a game.
Hey, to open a cache with a chance to get the new weekly card - you need credits. They have reduced the number of credits that you can earn - leading you to get the overpriced bundles or use 6000 tokens. You said it was just cosmetic, well it is not.
Vety true on everything but im not stopping, i love it
It’s a shame that this was such a good game on release and now it’s just like all the others
I hate to say it, I fully agree with everything said here. I picked up snap on open launch, and been buying season pass as a way to support the creators. I've spent zero dollars in anything else. It's still a lot of money spent, but I rationalized it as a way to support a game I enjoy, that I play, even if I fully disagree with their mtx shop, and some core elements that they refuse to address (like pool drops). And yes, content creators are the backbone of any game. Still pains me to know that when creators are invited for their promos, they're not paid. And this game makes millions, and they cant find in their budget to pay creators, besides providing travel and accomodation. And creators only getting 2k gold boost as an incentive... yeh, like gold is worth anything in this game, besides buying cosmetics.
When I think about this game seriously, I struggle to find reasons not to flat out quit it. Even more so when the last series drops were pathetic, even if you think they were decent. A ton of cards were released since the last drop, and they pretty much picked cards that saw little play to begin with. They had to do a 30-40 card drop for it to be meaningful and say "hey, new players, we gotchu, you wont fall that much behind". But they didnt. So no, it's not self interest with that disapointment, I had all of those cards and then some
So thank you for this video. I dont think it's enough for 2nd dinner to get their act together. They really should give devs the power to do these decisions, and not obviously the marketing\sales team. Because that will hurt the game up until the point everyone just walks away. It's been done before, and it will be no shocker to anyone when it happens again.
I’m not a gambler and have always been bad at it. I love to just make decks, try out new things, and don’t prefer to play the same deck over and over and over but this game doesn’t allow for that unless you play the meta over and over and over again. And if you don’t play, for points and gamble well, then you don’t move up.😓
I stopped right after Deadpool's diner and I've thought about coming back but I also recognize that I've lost out on months and months of currency and that just feels bad, and games shouldn't make you feel bad
It’s obvious now that they see the app has run its course, now they are just trying to squeeze as much money as they can before it completely dies. Sad really. Could have been a game that went on for a long time
It’s amazing how this is the only game where its players will willing accept that they should never enjoy all the cards unless they pay. Like what is the point of playing a CARD game if you can’t play the CARDS you want. But they simply accept that idea because daddy brode said so. The new spotlight system is worse than the original system the moment there were more than 50 or so S4/S5. It’s also obvious that they just power creep as much as they can. Just look at Galacta: she’s a better Gwenpoole.
Every new card is S5 (who would’ve seen it coming) and the one they give for free is a terrible S4 card.
This is probably my last season pass purchase. I even debated about deleting the app altogether.. with the things that you show in the video I’m only double frustrated by the amount of crashing the game has now and it’s even locking up in the middle of matches.