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Why do you need a BUFFER PEDAL?? | TC Electronic BonaFide [DEMO]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.พ. 2017
- Please use some good speakers/headphones, listen for the high-end loss when there's no buffer pedal in the chain. I chose to use two of my brightest sounding guitars on purpose ;)
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IMPORTANT: Ideally you should always have an INPUT buffer (between the guitar and pedalboard) and an OUTPUT buffer (from the pedalboard to the amp), especially if you run a long cable/have many pedals in series (at the time of making this video I only had one buffer pedal). The OUTPUT buffer from your pedalboard to the amp strengthens the signal and fixes the loss in level and especially high end. The INPUT buffer makes your guitar react as if it was actually connected to the amp input (which in most cases is around 1 mega-ohm), helping the pickups react the way they're supposed to!
is it applicable if we use wireless system?
Bro, is there different types of buffers? Like input and output buffers or does it mean that we just need to buy two of any buffers and connect them the way you mentioned?
great video man, very good to know!
wow, the buffer demo just blew me away! I had no idea how much signal you lose, thanks for that!
Really brings the high tones out. Brother your playing is incredibly smooth, clean and crisp! One word, Awesome!!
grazie Dave!!
Wow, the difference is huge! Thanks for the review. Already ordered my Polytune 3 with the built in Bonafide. Can't wait now!
This lost of signal that cable brings was used to turn the guitar sound less high end by Jimy Hendrix and Brian May. They used the cable like old Phones to get more body, loosing signal.
Awesome thanks cool demo!
The low and high end the buffer brings to the sonic table is awesome! Really pro sound
great vid man!
thanks a lot Rick!!
Will buy one of these, the difference is cristal clear !
I prefer the chorus without buffer but that’s just a personal taste.
Awesome explanation and demonstration with great songs from VH, Aerosmith, Def Leppard... good musical taste!
You can tell the difference.I'm trying buffer pedals myself.Good playing,the infinity guitar is a beauty!
It makes a drastic change!
Definitely wanna see more vids dude! we need to do something together!
thanks dude absolutely!!
Rocco, Bea... I’m still waiting for your collab... :)
Def Leppard! :-) Love that 80's sound.
Hi Rocco. Hope you have recovered from your sicknesses. I was skeptical at first, but then I heard the difference clear as night and day, and now you got me convinced. Thank you. Take care.
Well done great comparison! Every time I hear Steel Panther I smile.
the boy is back in town! subito con un grande video :) aspetto con ansia quelli del namm
rock on rocco!
Great vid. Sounds a-lot cleaner / brighter when put through Guitar=>Buffer=>FX Pedal=>Amp.
Grazie mille. Thank you very much Rocco. You convince me to buy this buffer.
Love Bites at the beginning
I just had to throw some Def Leppard in there :)
This is the BEST buffer showcase I’ve ever seen especially because I too run a few pedals into the front of my AxeFx! I had signal high end loss and was running my guitar into first on board pedal being a Boss CS3 compressor (buffered) with its tone and sustain on full! Seems to work a little bit but I’m wondering if this buffer would be a better solution?
I have tried to the two buffer thing and it does not always sound good. I tried an input buffer and an output buffer with one of my amps and pedals and the sound became too bright and shrill. Some pedals did not like it and sounded weird. Decided that the output buffer was enough. That worked out for me, but with another rig an input buffer is enough. Interesting how these things work. But at least having one buffer is a good idea as you can tell the difference. It does help.
Thank you for the grear info man😎👌 Gonna order one.
Damn! Now I want a buffer! A really clear difference.
you should also put another buffer at the end of your signal chain....
Excellent video, Rocco. Can clearly hear the differences! How long was the guitar cable you used? That can have a pretty big impact on the tone the longer it is without using a buffer.
it is shown that using buffer pedal, the original sound of guitar can be continued to the amp,{not being compressed too much by the pedal effects},Right??
Hey Rocco! Sure I'm not the only one waiting to see your NAMM performance! Cheers from Puerto Rico!
There is a taster on Robert Bakers Namm video, but I'd love to see the whole performance!
FingersMcC thanks man!!!
Nice video! Without the buffer pedal lost high freq. 👏👍👏👍
Has anyone tried to put 1st buffer as close as possible to the guitar? [Guitar] -> [short cable] -> [1st buffer] -> [long cable] -> [FX pedals] -> so on •••
Short cable is typical short guitar cable, no more than 60 cm (2 feet) long. The buffer clipped on guitar strap.
If anyone has tried it, please tell me the link.
Thanks
Nice demo, thank.
si deve piazzare obbligatoriamente ad inizio catena pedali oppure anche alla fine? Essendo un amante dei fuzz non potrei tenerlo ad inizio catena ma per forza alla fine dopo i fuzz
Rocco amo i tuoi video, continua così. Una domanda, io uso praticamente tutto in Axe FX II MKII con la MFC, però ho un pedale esterno e l'ho posizionato tra chitarra e entrata INSTR dell'Axe. Il pedale è il The Drop della Digitech, droppa le accordature in modo quasi trasparente (Meglio di come puoi fare con l'Axe, ma di molto), ma il suono in generale sembra leggermente più cupo rispetto a quella standard. Credi che con un Buffer Pedal potrei avere giovamenti?
Un saluto
Manu
killer tone dude!!
Great Comparison, the difference was too obvious! :D
Thanks for the efforts!
Btw can you tell me what fx mix you did for the "love bites" part? Loved the tone on it! :)
Cheers!
WOW! What a difference - Thanks for the demo!
Do you feel a buffer pedal more relevant to a guitar with passive pickups? My Strat has EMG SA's, so of course they are active and have that extra bit of boost at the front end.
if you have that kind of pick ups,you just need q buffer at the end of your signal chain
Cavoli! Durante "The house of the rising sun" si sente un sacco la differenza! Sembra pulisca il suono ( e a quanto ho capito, è proprio quello che fa). Prima o poi mi farò anche io una pedaliera...
Comunque, aspettiamo qualche video dalla Namm ! :D
I have a buffer at the end of my chain but after about 4 songs my tone gets all muddy. Do I need one at the beginning of my chain too?
i'm listening on my laptop and it still differs SOO much.
Grazie mille! Io hopreso quello della jhs, anche se avevo occhiato un fender buffer😂 sempre a inizio catena ma qualche audace lo mette anche a fine catena😱?!?!
I am currently building a small on the fly rig with a helix stomp XL - I directly use its 2 effect loops for two overdrive/distortion pedals (Chase Bliss MKII, KSR Vesta) - would you therefore recommend to use buffers in the beginning and the end of the signal chain?
Cool demo Pezzin!
thanks Tony :)
i have cable length 17f/5m before pedals, then i have 8 pedal (have some buffered, some true bypass), then output cable to the Amp are 10f/3M or 17f/5M. so do i need a Buffered stompbox? can anyone to answer my question
Hi man, great video, i have almost the same pedal you have but my chain is
Guitar-wah-flanger-phaser-chorus-preamp-delay-power amp.
The deal is that i saw some videos about the mxr chorus compared with another chorus it really sucks tone. The jhs guy made a video talking about buffers and he said sometimes should be good having a buffer in the beginning of the chain and another at the end of the chain.
Do you think it should be a good idea?
How about amp loop? Sometimes to place pedals in the loop we need to run long cable from the amp to the board and beck to amp again, theoretically we should have tone sucking by doing this, do you think is a good idea put a buffer in the loop too?
Ciao Rocco. Complimenti per il video, riesci veramente a mostrare come funziona il buffer! E ti domando, perché non ce l'hai messo alla fine della catena?
Saluti caro, ottimo lavoro!
*Question*
I have 10 True Bypass pedals in my board and a Boss pedal laying around in my room.
Can I take that Boss pedal and put it in my signal chain just for the Buffer on it?
If yes, where do I put it in the signal chain?
and whta happen if yu have a buufers pedals as boss in the chain whit others true byepass also?
this video convinced me to get a buffer pedal
great video.
I need it
Great vid...I use a buffer. Makes that difference.
Grande Rocco... si sente proprio la perdita di acuti/presenza quando inserisci la catena effetti... anche con degli speaker cagosi si sente ugualmente... cmq sei fortissimo sulle 6 corde!
nice tone
nice bro.. but how about those boss pedals? do we still need a buffer? boss pedals are buffered pedals..
The buffer in Boss pedals isn't that great, if you only run a couple of pedals in series it might be fine but there are definitely better alternatives out there. Brian Wampler made a video on this subject some time ago, you should check that out on his channel!
Why your ML1 hot rod has a matching headstock? i thought that particular model has black headstock on
I noticed that too. I have an ML-1 Hot Rod and the headstock is black. I believe his WAS black too.
Hey Rocco, Awesome video. I haven't had any experience using a buffer and was never really sure of the sonic difference. Thanks. Also, when did you get a matching headstock on the Hot Rod? Wasn't yours originally black, like mine?? Clearly, I pay too much attention. Love the Steel Panther too!!!
haha thanks man! yep I sanded it down and put a Chapman logo decal on it, I usually like the look of matching headstocks better ;)
Great video.
Is it better to put the buffer first or last in the pedal chain?
the buffer is an eq boost?
Very nice...what slash intro song ???
Full cover suggestion: Seventh Sign or Time Will Tell by Yngwie!
love both songs!
very helpful, thanks! though in some instances i preferred it without a buffer. it's personal really, innit?
Bad Motivator keep in mind I've set the amp brighter than I normally would, this way you can really hear how much treble roll off you get when you're not using a buffer;)
Love bites
mxr cae buffer or bonafide? which is the best?
I'm wondering why not to put the buffer at the very end of the chain before the AMP?
If you just have one buffer pedal you can experiment in which position sounds best to you. Ideally you should have an input buffer (between the gtr and pedalboard), and an output one (from the pedalboard to the amp, especially if you run a long cable)
@@RoccoPezzin I am a newbie. I only have JTC NUX Drum & Loop so that I can practice with the drums, and record some backing tracks and my music composition ideas.
and I also have TC Electronic PolyTune 3 (coming soon) which has the BonaFide Buffer built in and I will soon test if it makes any difference either at the front or at the end of my poor man's pedal board.
nobody really says it, but to me it seems like the buffer must be an active signal enhancer, sort of the preamplifier with the graphic equalizer, which bumps the higher frequencies, as they are most vulnerable to the long cables and other reasons for the signal loss. so it would make more sense to me to put the buffer at the very end of the path, to boost the diminished high frequencies. if we boost the higher frequencies at the beginning of the signal path, they will still get deteriorated on the "long" way to the amp.
but of course this is just based on my newbie logic, I will stand corrected as soon as my PolyTune3 arrives. Or when someone experienced explains it better than me and / or corrects my theory.
You're not wrong when talking about the importance of the buffer at the end of the chain, but what's also important to take into consideration is that an input buffer (a good one) makes your guitar believe it's actually connected to the amp input, which in most cases is around 1 mega-ohm, and makes the pickups react the way they're supposed to, if that makes sense. I too have the Polytune 3 mini as tuner/input buffer and a Bonafide as the output one, that's the perfect setup imo
@@RoccoPezzin cool. Thanks for the clarification. I never knew mini had a buffer too. I would have bought the mini instead
awesome...
Song at 5:30??
Think it’s tiger woods by steel panther
Cool demo and awesome playing! Sorry, can you remind me the titles of the last song in the clean section and in the hi gain section?
Tima239 thanks! the last song of the clean section is Dream On by Aerosmith, the hi gain one is Just Like Tiger Woods by Steel Panther!
Thanks, Rocco! Because of your channel and your covers with Valentino, I decide to relisten some 80's rock stuff! And I can say that it's great!
Tima239 awesome dude!
Wouldn't a boss tuner of done Rocco in front or any other buffer bypass pedal instead of wasting pedal board space! That mxr chorus will do the same for your effects loop won't it? Pretty sure it's buffer bypass. I mean there's a fair few effects pedals out there that are buffer bypass and act as that buffer!
Peter Cross yep imo the buffer on the TU-3 isn't as good as the Tc one, plus I normally use a clip tuner so I didn't really need another in pedal form...also the BonaFide is super small, with shorter patch cables I could save even more space :)
Rocco Pezzin cheers mate great videos by the way.
good comparison.. really obvious (y)
Question: is it right to put the chain like this?
BUFFER-NOISEGATE-TUNER-VOL/WAH and the rest of the pedal?
Or there is a better sequence? Thanksssss
I actually preferred the guitar straight in the amp. Also do you still play the rg465? havent seen those in a while.
thats the point its the most original sound buffer is supposed to bring it back
I think it would be awesome if you did a guest spot on toska new album you and bea jaming on it would be awesome as you and bea are my favorite guitar players I hope to be as good as you and bea one day
means a lot man thanks!
Nice def leppard
Would you recommend a second buffer on the other end nearest to the Amp if you use more than 5 pedals?
Yes absolutely, that's even more important in most cases. Ideally you should have an input buffer (from gtr to pedalboard) and an output one (from the pedalboard to the amp)
@@RoccoPezzin - Awesome! Thanks for the fast response. I have more than 6 pedals in my circuit. I definitely add a second buffer for the output end. Thanks!
Sir I have a question, is it fine to use 2 buffer pedals in one pedalboard? Thank you.
Unnamed yes it is. I have two on my pedalboard. You can use one in the beginning of your pedalboard, and the other one at the end of it.
put the buffer in your guitar for zero signal loss
what pickup are u using there?
very significant different
buffer is brighter
What song by Accept is that on 5:00 I can't remember? Great playing man!
Mateo Bakija thanks! that's actually Standing in the Shadows by Dokken ;)
haha lol thanks man, I was pretty sure it is Accept, they have some similar riff in one of their songs, and that greasy tone reminds me of them too. Btw love your ep Shockfront, listened to it more than 100 times already. Keep it up! \m/
thanks a lot dude!
name of the song about the end of the video
Steel Panther - Just Like Tigerwoods :)
Where did you put it in the beginning of the chain or the end?
You didn’t see the video?
@@8Junio76 i ask respectfully
Non buff for me
If you wanna be like Tiger Woods!!!
Has anyone tried to put 1st buffer as close as possible to the guitar? [Guitar] -> [short cable] -> [1st buffer] -> [long cable] -> [FX pedals] -> so on •••
Short cable is typical short guitar cable, no more than 60 cm (2 feet) long. The buffer clipped on guitar strap.
If anyone has tried it, please tell me the link.
Thanks