I have the E37S. It seemed crazy at the time I bought it but there isn’t a day that goes by without me thinking what a good purchase it was. Simply outstanding grinder and so so quiet.
@@Wholelattelovepage by the way, definitely would have bought my equipment through you but I had to move back to the UK so….still enjoy your videos, though!
I absolutely love your way of explaining things to us just starting out. You make it easy to understand. What I wouldn’t give to spend a day either you playing with coffee machines and anything coffee related. I’m on the market for a huge upgrade from what I use to an espresso maker and a grinder and you have been my absolute favorite chanel.
I've had a Baratza Sette 270 WI for several years now (pre-covid) based on your review. I love it apart from the noise where it's press the button and run unless I'm wearing ear protection. It is quieter when the hopper is full. Apart from the noise, the grind is just brilliant ... always fluffy and zero clumping.😄
Great Video. We have working the E37S a lot in our cafes and we can tell you they are absolutely beautiful. We think that Ceado are one of the best companies out there and we have tested in 5 of our 6 coffee Shops. Now we are working alongside with Mythos MY75 and we are waiting for our E37Z-Barista and we had so high expectations. Thank You!
Yes, there is no Niche/Ode/DF64/DF83/Lagom Mini/P64/P100/JT64/Kafatek Max because they don't sell these - it is top 5 grinders WLL would like you to buy from them and that's fair enough (just be aware)
To their credit there is a wink wink reference to most of those in the Oro review. And the Ode fellow does not qualify as an espresso grinder. Also to be fair (and I don’t know why) Ceados are amazing yet there are very few reviews of them out there. The E5/E6 are easily the best value imo in their range… beats niche and df64 to me (in my limited tasting out of all of them)… wish other lists considered the Ceados more, they are missing everywhere else.
I agree, must be hard to sell any grinders these days if u dont have the ones mentioned in stock. I would never even consider any of the grinders mentioned in the video. Got a niche now, will get a P64 aswell (keep both)
Hi CR, Thanks for the comment. We are very selective in the products we carry and only consider those we are very familiar for our favorites list. As mentioned here in the comments some grinders only available direct from manufacturer. We choose these as our favorites based on our personal use in comparison to the many others we use. We factor in direct customer feedback, comments in verified owner reviews and the opinions of our technicians.
The Eureka Mignon is a fantastic bang for your buck to be honest. I had the pleasure to play with it for a couple weeks and it did everything I wanted. Grinding is slow, but you know what you're getting every single time. I had it coupled with Gaggia Classic Pro and finally succeeded in a good espresso made with my own hands. So yea I think a good grinder is worth every penny depending on each person's budget.
I bought the Facile from you folks two years ago. It's PERFECT for the person who doesn't need their hand held while grinding some coffee. LOL!!! I'm still amazed at how heavy AND just how quiet it is. It's a winner!
Hi P, Thanks for your comments on the Facile and your patronage. It is a wonderful machine grade espresso grinder! A well built, no frills espresso grinder with big flat burrs! Marc
Can confirm. Ceado grinders are destination grinders. Our E37S is our high speed 20 gram espresso shooter in 5.3 seconds. It's used all day in our house for the milk drinks like americano's and lattes. It's paired with a Ceado E5P that I use for single dosing (some 3D printing was involved) Both grinders are all that our family will ever need for espresso. We also have the poorer cousin to the Mignon shown, our Eureka Mignon Filtro which is dialed in for our Technivorm for the early morning brew. I spent a lot of time researching these grinders and I can't recommend them and Whole Latte Love enough. Cheers guys.
Hey Paul, Wow! You've got some serious grinding going on!!! Thanks a whole latte for the comment and providing all the detail - "destination grinders" Love it. Permission to use your line in future videos? Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Absolutely Marc! Please use my line. I meant every word; the test of a good home production workflow is if your significant other is onboard and can easily pull an espresso without asking you to do it for her. I keep an eye on the E37S to make sure the grind and the timing is shooting 20G and it's really consistent. Couple that with a volumetric espresso machine (ours is the La Spaziale Lucca A53) and she can bang out a great 8oz latte in under a minute. A lot of people misunderstand how to use a great grinder like the E37S and try to use it for workflows it's not designed to do. For example, you can't single dose it without serious mods and since it's got that great warranty, I'm not screwing with it. Thanks for all your hard work and information you give to the community. I watch everything you guys produce. I'd love to send you an image of our coffee bar. I think you would find it really interesting.
Hi Mark, I am very new to making espresso and I have been learning a lot thanks to all your videos. I got the Capresso TS Espresso machine as a beginner level - what grinder would you suggest I use? Thank you!
Hi JP, Thanks for the kind comment. Your machine uses a pressurized filter basket so super precise control of grind size is not as critical as it is for more advanced machine which use standard non-pressurized filter baskets. Since making this video, Baratza released the Encore ESP: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/baratza-encore-esp-coffee-and-espresso-grinder-white The Encore ESP has a unique design which gives very good control of grind size in the espresso fine range ata very reasonable price compared to higher-end espresso focused grinders. Marc
Interesting Top 5! I've been lucky enough to have tried I could say 3 of these 5 grinders over the last years. I started with a "Sette 270Wi" which was good for the price few years ago considering there was no official Single Dose grinder yet. It really took companies a lot of time to get into that market! Today I wouldn't really recommend it anymore though. You just NEVER ever get used to that terribly loud and agressive noise from Hell even after 2-3 years lol. The motor also died after the warranty but Breville gladly sent me a new one for free which wasn't hard to install myself. The build quality definitely doesn't feel European and you can tell. I much prefer the smaller, more silent and portable but slower "Option-O Lagom Mini" at the 400$ range and it has bigger and better conical burrs, it's night and day difference! Then I replaced that Sette from my mom for the "Eureka Oro" during the pre-orders but was lucky enough not to get the first bad batches as it works flawlessly. It was by far the best grinder at its price range of 800$ so still double from the Option-O. It's super silent, fast and most surprising... It has ZERO retention without even using RDT or a brush in the grind chute! On my "Ceado E37SD" I must always always use RDT or else it's gonna be a real mess everywhere with A LOT of grind retention like you really don't want to forget that step, and then you still need to use the brush even if you press the bellow like a mad man. If only Ceado would have better designed it with angle but to figure they actually do but want 2-3x the price of that already super expensive grinder just to get the angle. I also very dislike the plastic plate for grinds doesn't fit flush with the grinder. Who the heck designed something with a 4mm gap on propose so the grinds keep accumulating there rather than all on the plate... You can notice this big flaw within 1 week of use at most! Otherwise it is very reliable after about 1.5 years at ~1Kg per month as I can grind my morning coffee at 1.70 then my décaf on evenings at 1.0 back and forth with no issue and the calibration remains in place when switching between my 2 type of coffees which is the entire point of this. Question MARC, have you ever compared the stock E37SD Burrs with the SPP burrs? It seems better but the grinder was already very expensive, and I doubt the stock one would be low quality at such price that I would have felt bad to toss away brand new burrs, and also scared to waste 400$ to change 1$ for 4x0.25$ if you see what I mean, plus the risk of ot installing correctly the new set and have a bad zero point or calibration while I know the stock one from Ceado should be tested at the manufacturer. PS: A little error you said in the video as I happen to be an audiophile as well as an espresso lover 😉 It's about the noise level perceived. It's at every +10dB that you can hear it twice as loud, NOT +3dB! You just mismatched the info that +3dB requires a doubling of the wattage power to achieve that. So a difference of say +20dB between the Sette 270 I had and my E37SD would mean FOUR time louder x_x "A change of 10 dB is accepted as the difference in level that is perceived by most listeners as “twice as loud” or “half as loud”. Directly from JL-Audio FAQ.
Hate to be that guy, but you and WLL are both incorrect. Sound pressure level is useless for PERCEPTION of loudness. SPL is used to determine if sound is damaging to our hearing, but NOT how we perceive loudness. To approximate how sound is perceived each frequency must be evaluated against a standardized equal loudness curve such as Fletcher-Munson. In that case your units would end up being dB Phons or the linear Sones.
Does your Spec grind adjustment become less accurate post cleaning? I know it shouldn’t, but it appears it’s a thing and mine falls victim to this issue
Hi P, Thanks for the feedback. There is a lot of plastic in the Sette and it sits in the high-end appliance grade for build quality. Machine grade products made of metal do cost more for similar features but do have a much longer working lifespan. Not sure if it was the case with your Sette, but they can run into issues when used beyond their rating. Sette has a 10% duty cycle meaning run for 10 seconds rest for 90 seconds. Run for 30 seconds rest for 4.5 minutes etc. Marc
I have the E37s with ssg red speed burrs and a bellows for single dosing. The ssg burrs are a fantastic upgrade. Very happy. Zero retention with the bellows.
Hello Mark, Love all your videos and have probably watched most of the. Would you consider a Cedar E37s and a Profitec Pro 500 a good combination? I'm looking to make a great purchase and not have to make any upgrades.
Hi LJC, Thanks a whole latte for the love! You will never have to upgrade from the E37S - it’s an excellent grinder and built like a tank. The Pro 500 is my favorite HX boiler machine. Unless you’re considering a dual boiler it’s the one to get. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Mark. It was your video on Eureka grinders which helped me make my decision. I would like to see more on how to maintain and upgrade these grinders.
Hello! I am thinking of upgrading from the BB005 to the E5Pro for Gaggia Classic Pro. Eventually I’ll upgrade to a more advance semi automatic. My question with the E5Pro, is there any quality difference between the E5P and the E5Pro, since it is a exclusive for your store?
I have 2 Eurekas, the Specialita for espresso and another for my pour overs. How easy is the Ceado to adjust from espresso to pour over? I like the set up for the E37SD with the quick adjustment. Can you get that for the E37S?
Hi LTLR, Thanks for the comment and questions. It's difficult to adjust the E37S from espresso to pour over as it does not have the release like the SD version. It's about 75 turns of the grind size adjustment to go between those brew methods. The E37S cannot be equipped with the quick adjustment. But the E37SD is now a lot closer in price to the E37S: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder Marc
Hi Marc, great and helpful video. I'm looking to upgrade my grinder, currently using breville smart grinder pro. Pairing with my profitec pro 500, my espresso taste honestly I feel quite lacking. Among candidates available in Malaysia is sette 270, eureka mignon XL, and also niche zero if I can get a stock. Any experience or recommendation on listed or other models? I'm using for home, typically 3-4 cups per day
Hi MIBMH, Thanks for the comment and question. My preference top to bottom is the Eureka Mignon XL then the Sette 270 and personally I'd stay away from the Niche. Mignon has far and away the best build quality. It's a true machine grade product that'll serve for decade+. Also has nice big flat burrs which are preferred for espresso. The Sette is doable but rather loud. It grinds quick and fluffy and can be staticky in low humidity environments. It can easily handle your 3-4 cups a day but does have a felt friction ring between the macro and micro adjustment rings that will eventually need replacement - but it's only a couple of dollars. Also comes with burr shims which need to be installed after a few Kg's of grinding to restore fine grinding range. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi wholelattelove! Love your videos! We just bought the Quick Mill Pippa per your referral. Can you please do a detailed video from the start (turning machine on) to pulling a few shots in a row, showing when to fill the boiler etc! There is only one video on TH-cam and it would be great having a detailed video showing exactly how to use it from the very beginning of turning on the switch to position one. And powering down after using it to pull a few shots in a row! Please please!!! Thank you so much!!!!!!❤❤❤
Hi Tiffany, Thanks for the kind comment and congrats on your new machine! We are working on doing startup videos. A bunch are complete and the Pippa is on the list but may be awhile - will do our best! Marc
Firstly I ask my question. In the Eureka line which grinder is best for oily beans? Larger burrs with fast output or the opposite? Bigger chute? When you said, " I have never had a problem grinding small, hard, light roast beans." Well, guess who likes the enemy of all grinders dark oily beans. Something often lost in the minutiae of espresso making is that it's all about the taste, not timing, crema height or density. People may rail against this type of dark roast but I like it in a french press or out of an espresso machine. Your opinion would be appreciated.
Hi LC, I never judge people for what they like. I brought up the light roast because they tend to be harder than dark roasts so can be more challenging for underpowered grinders. A bigger chute and wide direct path out of a grinder means less restriction and fewer spots for oils to build up. The majority of Eureka grinders have similar geometry/design of path out after the grinding chamber. Larger burrs result in faster grinding and more force/velocity to push out ground coffee. The real problem comes when oils accumulate, combine with powdery grinds and narrow or obstruct the path out. The solution is to clean the grinder as needed. When regular cleaning is needed life is easier with a grinder that's easy to open up and does not loose grind size setting when doing so. All the grinders in Eureka's Mignon line have those characteristic's with access to grinding chamber by removing 4 easy to access screws and no loss of grind setting when doing so. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thx. I own a rocky that is over 17 years old and it has served me well. It was probably designed 25 years ago so it definitely the model t of home grinders. Extremely durable but it has some downsides. I watched a youtube video on cleaning a mignon and some of the comments after seeing some grounds below the burr carrier and what they seemed to think was a lot of work as a design flaw. Gee, obviously they don't have any experience cleaning grinders. Definitely made me laugh. Mignon cleaning looks delightful after having a rocky.
Hi Mark, Need your help please, I am upgrading from a Barista Pro to a Gaggia classic pro. Can you please recommend a coffee grinder for me to make two or three Latte’s a day. Thank you
Hi Tim, The Eureka Mignon Facile featured in this video pairs well with the Gaggia Classic Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder It's a well built, no frills, flat burr, machine grade grinder with the precision needed for espresso. The Baratza Sette is an option as well. Not the same build quality but it is fast (also louder) and produces a beautiful fluffy grind. The Sette 270 is produces accurate dose to dose weights. The Facile is manual with no timed functions. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi r, I'd go with the Eureka. Any of those grinders will work. I've used all 3 and like the Selenzio the best. Nicer build quality than the others - it's a much more solid unit than the Vario. I'm just not a fan of the DF64 I've used. The way the top burr rides on 3 springs reminds me of some Mazzer grinders I used to use. Drove me nuts cleaning those things! Beyond that it uses some aluminum components in areas I don't like. Also prefer made in Italy - only the Eureka is. Marc
Hi Mark. Do you have any thoughts on "grind by weight" grinders? I'm interested in the Eureka Mignon Libra. I don't see it on your store, are you looking at getting it at some point? It seems to me a great alternative to single dosing (less manual weighing on a separate scale) so likely a time saver, if the technology holds of course. Thanks for your videos and your advice!
Hey Es, We currently have a Libra in-house for evaluation and testing. If it does well and early indications are it will then it should be on our site soon. I have used the grind by weight Baratza 270 Wi extensively since it was released about 5 years ago. After a slightly shaky start, software and construction updates a few years back turned it into an amazingly accurate weight based grinder. The 270 Wi is more in the appliance grade of products while the Libra has a more robust machine grade build quality. Marc
Hey Mark and WLL team! Quick question on the ceado grinders- as i was perusing the site, both the E5 and E37 have dedicated single dosing variants. Were there any considerations for those grinders for the video as well? and if so would the test results at the end be comparable enough to the grind on demand counterparts to just be a preference in style consideration?
Hi Ryan, Thanks for the question. All grinders were considered but we only have 5 slots in the video and wanted to present our favorites in a range of prices. The E5SD and E37SD are both excellent grinders. Frankly, the build quality of those are a little better than the Eureka which results in higher prices which did not fit into the range we wanted in the video. If interested here's our video comparing the E5P, E6P and E5SD grinders: th-cam.com/video/V-Fnu7R68Tc/w-d-xo.html And an in-depth look at the E37SD: th-cam.com/video/qPWNcfbRcIs/w-d-xo.html Marc
What would be better for home use. A single dose grinder or a hopper style? And how long can the beans in the hopper stay fresh vs putting them in a vacuum canister? .
Hi KS, Depends on your style. Do you like the espresso making process? Will you use more expensive, fresh specialty grade beans. If yes to both of those them single dose might be the right choice for you. I would not leave beans in a hopper for more than a day or so. Not much difference over 1 day in hopper vs. vacuum canister. It's long term storage where a canister shows benefit. For me, I leave beans sealed tight in original bag after expelling as much air from the bag as possible. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage My drink of choice is a sugar free vanilla breve. I have a Nuova Simonelli Oscar II. and usually only pull about 4 to 6 shots per day. I use the best Folgers money can buy. Just kidding. Lmao. I use quality beans. I've been looking at the Lagom Mini and the Niche Zero. What grinder would you suggest? Thank you so much for replying and love y'alls videos.
Hi Mark, A while ago you recommended to me the Firoengato F64E, where would that grinder sit in this range? I have a friend looking at getting an espresso machine and the ECM synchronika with a Firoengato F64E is quite reasonably priced where we live, though it's infact only a little more to instead get the F83E Pro grinder.
Hi ER, Hmmm... I do not recall recommending that grinder. Typically I only recommend products I've personally used and I don't recall ever using that one. Perhaps I looked it up and saw it was a 64mm flat burr grinder and has a decent reputation so endorsed it for that reason. I assume the F83 uses an 83mm flat burr set. Bigger burrs grind faster with more uniform particle size in the grind - that's a good thing. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage My mistake it was the Ceado E6P that you recommended, not sure why I ended up looking into the Firoengato after your recommendation. Thanks for the reply. I have seen the Firoengato displays temperature and humidity which is nice, but probably of limited use.
Personally for home use only only single dose grinders makes any sense. All those others don't unless you have 10 people living at your house and everybody wants the same exact coffee daily. In a home coffee sitting in those bins overnight just gets stale too fast. Just a thought I would do two separate videos. One with all the other grinders in one video, a separate video with the best single dose of the year grinders.
Hi DJ, Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Idea for this video was to present favorites in a wide rang of price points and functionalities - perhaps separate videos down the road. Marc
Rocky to Mazzer Mini. Then I changed out the Mazzer burr carriers and put in Mazzer Super Jolly burrs. Finally Ceado E37S. I don't need anything else really. Consistency is there and ease of use is there too.
Hey TT, E37S is a fabulous grinder! I've used the others as well which all had their day. But looking back in comparison: Rocky slow, clumpy and hindered by stepped adjustment. Mazzer a PITA to clean and exposed threads get gummed up making adjustment stiff and jumpy. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Remember, I said the gumming up was a feature to aid in keeping the burrs still! Rocky is as durable as the best, but the ability to grind certain beans wasn’t there and yes, the stepped adjustment was a killer. I went to the Mazzer mini In hopes that constantly dosing during the grind would eliminate the pea sized lumps the Rocky kept making. The doser was loud, clicky, dosed to one side and a PITA to clean. I’m all done. I dose on manual. Knock the portafilter and tamp. Very good consistency without the racket and mess. Of course it is sports car fast too.
Great video - I wish my technique was up there with yours. I love my Niche - quiet, consistent, reliable single dosing and keeps its setting. Easy to clean and not much build up of coffee in the machine. If I wanted a hopper grinder that Caedo E5Pro would be something I would seriously consider. The Sette is made and serviced near me but was a non starter for noise and reliability issues. BTW, on static issues: I hate mess and static from a grinder can greatly aggravate this as well as contributing to coffee retention in the grinder. My current workflow is to grind into a cup and then transfer to the portafilter with a funnel on top after letting the coffee sit in the cup for a few seconds to dissipate static, followed by a quick WDT to get a flat even bed of coffee before tamping. I have no need to spritz with water, which I am reluctant to do anyway for corrosion issues.
Hi Tom, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Concerns for me with Niche is the conical burr and the full coffee brewing grind size adjustment range is ~180 degrees from espresso fine to immersion coarse. I'm used to a much higher level of size control in the espresso range. Static can be an issue and messy when it happens. Low humidity conditions tend to make it worse. I usually do not worry about RDT spray. When needed, it's usually because air and/or beans are dry. Grinding process removes any moisture from burrs etc so corrosion not a problem. Marc
Niche is very good if you don't change beans often and don't go from espresso to pour over. I use regular in the norning, decaf in the afternoon and dial for a new regular beans each week. After 6 month threads got worned out. I actually grind espresso at -1 before the dial numbers to get 9 bars :/ The optionO is also build with soft metal threads...
What grinder would you recommend for someone who has people in the household who drink decaf beans and other drink standard. Hence I’m single dosing each time I grind and I’d like as little internal retention as possible. Paired up with a Lelit Anna Espresso Machine.
Hi brendon, Best of the bunch here for that is the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose. If you can take the extra noise, the Baratza Sette 270 single doses with very low retention. Marc
I want to upgrade from my “starter” setup (Breville Café Roma model ESP8XL and Capresso Infinity grinder) and I’m leaning towards the Gaggia Classic Pro. I really wanted an HX or at least one of the higher end single boiler machines, but baby steps… I single dose because after the first of the day it’s decaf for me. I was thinking of the Eureka Mignon Zero (not the Oro) or the Baratza Sette 270. I typically make one or two milk drinks and then switch to drip, moka pot or French press. Although with a better espresso machine that could become Americanos. I’m just wondering if either of the mentioned grinders would be better for my planned use or if something else would be better. I suppose I could hold on to the Capresso for the French press…
Hi Barbara, Gaggia Classic Pro is an excellent choice for a next step and the Mignon Zero a good pairing. I would hang onto the Infinity for brew methods other than espresso. If you want to kick your espresso quality up a notch, precise control of grind size is key. Difficult to do that if you're dramatically altering grind size for brew methods other than espresso. Espresso focused grinders tend to produce more fines at coarser grind sizes. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the quick reply Marc. Now I just have to decide if I'm OK with it in white or if I'm going to wait for the Zero to get back in stock in black.
I have a Sette30. It's adequate for espresso but the 270 series would be better. However, the sette is ungodly loud...if that's an issue, I would buy another grinder.
Hey u, Thanks for the question. Some do - especially those with an adjustable depth head. Setup properly, it compresses the ground coffee enough that tamping is not required. Here's a video featuring The Jack Leveler. It's one that eliminates the need for tamping: th-cam.com/video/4Z5vTi643sc/w-d-xo.html Marc
After owning my Fachile for a few months now I’m super impressed with what it has to offer for the price point. And its super easy to convert to a single dose grinder.
Hi Jakob, I have not used but I'm skeptical of quality given the too good to be true pricing. A big concern is lack of precision. Full range of grind size adjustment from espresso fine to coarse for drip in a very small adjustment range. Doubt it has the precision required for espresso. Marc
Hi Mark, How’s the grind size distribution across the machines? Just to be sure we’re talking about the same thing (not sure I used the right term), at a specific grind setting, how much variation there is in coffee grind size.
Hi VS, You said it right! Grinders with conical burrs tend to produce a wider range of particle sizes than those with flat burrs. With flat burrs particle size distribution tends to fall into a narrower range as the burrs get bigger. So widest particle distribution in these grinders is probably on the Sette with narrowest range in the Ceado E37S.
I have a sette 270, and have MAJOR problems with static buildup. The machine throws out coffee grounds like a lawn broadcast spreader. Creates a huge mess every time I grind. Anyone have any ideas on how to solve that problem?
Hi O, Static is due to low humidity. Also happens in very new grinder prior to burrs being seasoned with a coating of coffee oils. Also dry beans. An easy solution is RDT - Ross Droplet Technique. Just spray beans in the hopper of water using a fine mist sprayer and stir right before grinding. If you don't have a mist sprayer just stir with a wet finger.
@@Wholelattelovepage I have done all of those things and the static is still terrible! I've even wiped down the whole machine and the outside of the hopper with a dryer sheet. Any other ideas?
I have the 270 WI and I grind into a small stainless steel container before tipping that into the portafilter which reduced the mess substantially. For the 270, I'd recommend you use a portafilter funnel .. we used a stainless steel funnel in our cafe which reduced mess and coffee waste considerably. They are only about 20 bucks
I am very very happy with my Ceado E6P. Ceado grinders are amazing. If I had to upgrade, Mahlkönig E65S GBW would be my choice, unless I get the chance for an even more premium one, like from Kafatek
Hey Kars, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the E6P. For those who do not know, the Ceado E5Pro is essentially the same grinder without the timing functions. Marc
I've had SIlenzio for about 2.5 years now. It is a great little machine. The downside is that it gets clogged very easily which you cannot do a finer grind to make a single dose espresso shot for example.
Hi TR, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You must be grinding very fine or maybe oily beans? I have not had clogging issues with Mignon Silenzio grinders. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. That's a very good point. I may try different types of beans next time and see if that makes a difference. I'd really like to try making a single shot espresso but for that, the grind needs to be much finer than "normal".
I too, had clogging issues with the Mignon grinder. I purchased an insecticide bellows that fits the opening (with a PVC pipe adapter) and pump it while grinding, a bit messy. It still clogs but once a month rather than every other day. It doesnt seem to be well designed for dark roast espresso beans. Considering I spent $700 on it, and I like the functionality of it, but it's as temperamental as a Fiat.
Hi Y, Best of these is the Ceado E37S. Last grinder you'll ever buy! Marc Ceado E37S. آخر مطحنة سوف تشتريها على الإطلاق! مارك mrhban Y ، 'afdiluha hu Ceado E37S. akhar muthanat sawf tashtariha ealaa al'iitlaqi! marc
Where are the single dose grinders? I don't think I could cope with a coffee grinder that isn't which is why I've been stuck waiting for Lagom to have stock available in the US
Hey LA, Here's a link to all our espresso grinders currently $600 and under: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_p_price=195%3A600&sort=price-descending I'd lean toward the Eureka Mignon Silenzio grinders Marc
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the comment - I hear you. As mentioned that would not represent real world use. Guessing nobody opens up and cleans grinder out after every grind cycle. Did the test as if single dosing with each grinder. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I mean clean to test the ginders. Then in the real world you'll know the real amount of stale and wrong size grain stays in the grinder. Ex: case#1 if you change from beans-A to beans-Bdecaf or want to go from filter to espresso, you will know how much of the wrong size stays in the grinder between changes.
Hi Todd, Always a little compromise involved if selecting a single grinder for all brew methods. Of those in the list the Sette is probably best for multi-purpose. It can go quickly and repeatedly between a wide range of grind sizes. The other's here are espresso focused so adjusting to a coarser grind size invoilves a lot of turning of the adjustment. Keep in mind the Sette does not have the build quality of the others and is louder. Marc
I had the Sette 270 grinder for 1 year. Nothing but problems. Do not waste your money on the Sette 270 grinder. Too much plastic and it did not last. I ended up buying the Facile and it has worked flawlessly with no issues.
Hi FA, Thanks for sharing your experience with the 270. As mentioned in the video it's an appliance grade product compared to the Facile which is machine grade. Marc
The 270 and Facile are definately on 2 different levels. I was not aware of "Appliance Grade" vs "Machine Grade". Now I know. Anyway, live and learn for me. On another note, I am looking to upgrade from my ECM Casa V (which has worked for me with no issues for over 4 years) to either an Apartamento or a Profitec Pro 500. Any feedback on either of these espresso machines?
@@fab-antonio Thanks for the feedback on the Casa V! Between Appartamento and Pro 500 I'd go 500. It has PID which makes a big difference in temp stability. And, go with the flow control version. Opens up all kinds of custom extraction possibilities like taming brightness in fresh from roast specialty coffees and reducing bitterness in darker roasts. Not sure where you are, but the version of the 500 we carry has visible PID display which functions as shot timer during an extraction: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-500-pid-espresso-machine Marc
I do enjoy and appreciate your videos, but you should really make it clear that these are the best grinders that you sell, rather than the best available.
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the comment and appreciation. So we are very selective in the products we carry. The opinions on our favorites are informed by our personal experience, direct customer feedback, customer reviews and our service technicians. Marc
@@scrumpymanjack Are you serious? In other post replies, Mark has admitted that some products are only available from their manufacturers. It is more than conceivable that one of those would be considered a favourite but they can't sell them. Why so aggressive? Others have made the same point that I have so, clearly, I'm not unusually stupid!!!
Hi mr k, Best espresso grinder here is the Ceado E37S: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black It's what we use in house as our reference grinder when testing high-end machines. Look for a new video dropping in a day or two in which I compare it to some others with buckets of test results including grind particle analysis. Marc
@@mr_knight4701 Best value under $500 is the Eureka Mignon Facile: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder And, it's significantly under $500
Hi Marc. After a lot of research and watching your vids I purchased a ceado e37s. After battling with it for 8 months I sent it back for a full refund. It's setting would wander, retention was huge, it would produce horrendous shots with extreme channels and a taste to equal. Backup from Ceado was non existent and arrogant. Thankfully my local supplier was great and gave me my money back. My brother has the same grinder and the same problems. They're not all fabulous unfortunately
Hi Ben, Sorry to hear your story - does not match my use of the grinder in any way. No BS it's far and away my favorite grinder and as mentioned what I use when I need to take the grinder out of the variable mix when working with new machines and other products like precision filter baskets. Over the years I've used at least 20 different E37S grinders and never had a lemon. Hate to say - but have to mention (and not saying it's the issue in your case) but problems are often due to user technique. Hope that doesn't sound arrogant. It's possible - though I think unlikely your grinder had some base issue. Glad to hear your local supplier was great.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. Yes, obviously thought I could be the problem. I purchased a niche after 4 months and could pull much better shots immediately. Then after getting my money back got a df64p. Amazing. Shot quality like you see on TH-cam. No wandering zero. Just how a grinder should be. Ceados response was much like yours. Machine was in no way faulty.
I did the same. After watching these videos I chose the e37J and have been struggling with it for about a month now. I ground through three pounds of coffee to season the burrs, and now about four more pounds in at this point. Seeing zero consistency in grind, grinds spilling everywhere, clumps, lots of retention, and the most frustrating thing is the lack of being able to make anything close to a fine adjustment in grind selection with the lever… it jumps when trying to move it (with the grinder running, and wasting coffee beans in the process); it does not move at all without great effort. I would have considered the S model, but it was close to a 50% premium to the cost for the worm gear adjustment. A grinder at that price point should not be that difficult to adjust.
@@AA-SFO yep. My brother bought the e37j first and couldnt even remotely dial it in. After about a similar amount of coffee to you he returned it to WLL and upgraded to the e37s. I'd suggest contacting whoever you got it off.
@@AA-SFO I started off with a Sette 270 and it really did like the grinds it produced. It was pretty messy (it's dry here in Colorado) but that was mostly fixed with some RDT. However, the noise from it was horrific. There are lots of stories about Settes breaking, but also how Baratza has great customer support. There's very minimal retention from the Sette, and the 270 model gives lots of adjustability -- you really can't expect the level of control needed for espresso from the 30. But the noise...!! I still have it stashed away in case of emergency. So I bought a Ceado E37J. I must have gotten a bad unit because after grinding through fully 8 lbs of coffee to season it and dial it in, it would still not make espresso even with the burrs just back from touching; it would not grind fine enough. I can't explain it, and nor could WLL. And that adjustment lever?? It was terrible. Next to impossible to make a fine adjustment. Also, the retention was quite high because the burrs are a lot smaller than the grind chamber was designed for. So back it went to WLL and I upgraded to an E37S, the one I wanted all along anyway. I was drawn to the Ceados because I was hoping to hopper-feed my beans, but it turns out that with only about 5 shots a day there was still enough retention that the first shot of the day was dried out and would run very fast. The idea of having to dump 1/5 of my shots wasn't appealing so I went back to single-dosing. The S does this well enough, although you must use a bellows for it to work. And you've really got to mix the grinds very thoroughly in the dosing cup as the first vs last grinds run quite differently -- it's easy to get a weak spot in the portafilter if you don't distribute them very well. It's just...the shot consistency is flakey. I think I have decent technique, but I can see back to back shots be 35g and then 55g for the same 35s (with 20g in). And the pucks look beautiful. Why? The Ceados feel very well built - like the mechanism will be something I can give to my kid one day, but I look at the touch-panel and wonder how that's going to hold up. But at the end of the day I could have bought a DF64 for literally 1/3 the cost of the Ceado and probably have the same or better results (as has been reported by others). (Edit: I had the E37J & S back to front; corrected that.)
Hey C, We've been in espresso for 25 years and work with manufacturers to bring improvements to products based on customer feedback. The Mignon Facile fills a need for a high quality no frills, machine grade grinder with larger flat burrs and quiet operation. The Ceado E5Pro adds the side pulse switch to the PF activated switch so dosing into bottomless PFs or other containers is easier than on the original E5P.
Hi uu, How do suggest I quantify taste? Taste is very subjective and many other variables involved. I can say this... In general: flat burrs are preferred for espresso grinding, larger burrs produce a more consistent grind particle size resulting in more clarity in flavor. Hope that helps! Marc
Wow… this dude was my gateway into home espresso about 4 years ago. Him and the old lesbian chick… Gayle? Haven’t seen much content from WLL for a while. The world of coffee videos has changed quite a bit over the last couple of years. Co
Hi Jesus, The Sette grinders: 30, 270 and 270Wi offer a level of performance which exceeds other appliance grade products. Grind quality is superb and grinding speed (if you can take the noise) is impressive. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage hey marc! Sorry just have had very bad experiences with this brand their vario while it gave a good taste in the cup was Plagued with issues specially ripping the rubber bands they put on it for motor to blades it was a night mare. My ceado e6p that u guys recommended has been flawless in 3 years, saving up for that e37 but they keep Getting more and more expensive lol
Hi MG, Well, if I'm going to the trouble of single dosing for espresso I'm doing it with a flat burr grinder so no Niche for me. Also just can't get over the full-range of grind sizes from espresso fine to coarse for immersion contained in a 180 degree turn of adjustment. Really tough to be precise with espresso grind size.
I have the E37S. It seemed crazy at the time I bought it but there isn’t a day that goes by without me thinking what a good purchase it was. Simply outstanding grinder and so so quiet.
Hey scrumpy! Thanks for sharing your experience with the E37S. A fine instrument with a beautiful tone for sure!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage by the way, definitely would have bought my equipment through you but I had to move back to the UK so….still enjoy your videos, though!
I absolutely love your way of explaining things to us just starting out. You make it easy to understand. What I wouldn’t give to spend a day either you playing with coffee machines and anything coffee related. I’m on the market for a huge upgrade from what I use to an espresso maker and a grinder and you have been my absolute favorite chanel.
Hi JJ, I appreciate that! Thanks for the comment and best of luck with your upgrade.
Marc
I've had a Baratza Sette 270 WI for several years now (pre-covid) based on your review. I love it apart from the noise where it's press the button and run unless I'm wearing ear protection. It is quieter when the hopper is full. Apart from the noise, the grind is just brilliant ... always fluffy and zero clumping.😄
Hi John, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the 270Wi. Yes it's loud.
Marc
First time seeing the channel - what a presenter, incredible vocal quality and delivery.
Welcome aboard! Thanks for the kind comments!
Marc
This was probably the most helpful video on grinders thank you.
Hi DP, You're welcome and thanks a whole latte for taking a moment to leave your comment!
Mard
Great Video. We have working the E37S a lot in our cafes and we can tell you they are absolutely beautiful. We think that Ceado are one of the best companies out there and we have tested in 5 of our 6 coffee Shops. Now we are working alongside with Mythos MY75 and we are waiting for our E37Z-Barista and we had so high expectations. Thank You!
Hi BC, Thanks for the comment and sharing your thoughts on Ceado grinders! The E37Z-Barista is a beast!
Marc
Yes, there is no Niche/Ode/DF64/DF83/Lagom Mini/P64/P100/JT64/Kafatek Max because they don't sell these - it is top 5 grinders WLL would like you to buy from them and that's fair enough (just be aware)
Alot of these are only available to buy direct from the manufacturer though, what's your point?
To their credit there is a wink wink reference to most of those in the Oro review. And the Ode fellow does not qualify as an espresso grinder.
Also to be fair (and I don’t know why) Ceados are amazing yet there are very few reviews of them out there. The E5/E6 are easily the best value imo in their range… beats niche and df64 to me (in my limited tasting out of all of them)… wish other lists considered the Ceados more, they are missing everywhere else.
I agree, must be hard to sell any grinders these days if u dont have the ones mentioned in stock. I would never even consider any of the grinders mentioned in the video. Got a niche now, will get a P64 aswell (keep both)
It's their marketing video so of course it's self serving :)
Hi CR, Thanks for the comment. We are very selective in the products we carry and only consider those we are very familiar for our favorites list. As mentioned here in the comments some grinders only available direct from manufacturer. We choose these as our favorites based on our personal use in comparison to the many others we use. We factor in direct customer feedback, comments in verified owner reviews and the opinions of our technicians.
The Eureka Mignon is a fantastic bang for your buck to be honest. I had the pleasure to play with it for a couple weeks and it did everything I wanted. Grinding is slow, but you know what you're getting every single time.
I had it coupled with Gaggia Classic Pro and finally succeeded in a good espresso made with my own hands. So yea I think a good grinder is worth every penny depending on each person's budget.
Hi AS, Thanks for sharing your experience with the Eureka Mignon Facile. It is an excellent pairing with the GCP!
Marc
I bought the Facile from you folks two years ago. It's PERFECT for the person who doesn't need their hand held while grinding some coffee. LOL!!!
I'm still amazed at how heavy AND just how quiet it is. It's a winner!
Hi P, Thanks for your comments on the Facile and your patronage. It is a wonderful machine grade espresso grinder! A well built, no frills espresso grinder with big flat burrs!
Marc
Forever grateful to WLL for bringing the Facile to the US market. Love mine!
Hey Alec, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
I've recently bought an Atom 75 and I'm extremely impressed with it. Super fast, super quiet and Mythos geometry burrs.
Hi David, Thanks for sharing you impressions of the Atom 75!
Marc
Can confirm. Ceado grinders are destination grinders. Our E37S is our high speed 20 gram espresso shooter in 5.3 seconds. It's used all day in our house for the milk drinks like americano's and lattes. It's paired with a Ceado E5P that I use for single dosing (some 3D printing was involved) Both grinders are all that our family will ever need for espresso. We also have the poorer cousin to the Mignon shown, our Eureka Mignon Filtro which is dialed in for our Technivorm for the early morning brew. I spent a lot of time researching these grinders and I can't recommend them and Whole Latte Love enough. Cheers guys.
Hey Paul, Wow! You've got some serious grinding going on!!! Thanks a whole latte for the comment and providing all the detail - "destination grinders" Love it. Permission to use your line in future videos?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Absolutely Marc! Please use my line. I meant every word; the test of a good home production workflow is if your significant other is onboard and can easily pull an espresso without asking you to do it for her. I keep an eye on the E37S to make sure the grind and the timing is shooting 20G and it's really consistent. Couple that with a volumetric espresso machine (ours is the La Spaziale Lucca A53) and she can bang out a great 8oz latte in under a minute. A lot of people misunderstand how to use a great grinder like the E37S and try to use it for workflows it's not designed to do. For example, you can't single dose it without serious mods and since it's got that great warranty, I'm not screwing with it. Thanks for all your hard work and information you give to the community. I watch everything you guys produce.
I'd love to send you an image of our coffee bar. I think you would find it really interesting.
Hi Mark, I am very new to making espresso and I have been learning a lot thanks to all your videos. I got the Capresso TS Espresso machine as a beginner level - what grinder would you suggest I use? Thank you!
Hi JP, Thanks for the kind comment. Your machine uses a pressurized filter basket so super precise control of grind size is not as critical as it is for more advanced machine which use standard non-pressurized filter baskets. Since making this video, Baratza released the Encore ESP: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/baratza-encore-esp-coffee-and-espresso-grinder-white
The Encore ESP has a unique design which gives very good control of grind size in the espresso fine range ata very reasonable price compared to higher-end espresso focused grinders.
Marc
Interesting Top 5! I've been lucky enough to have tried I could say 3 of these 5 grinders over the last years. I started with a "Sette 270Wi" which was good for the price few years ago considering there was no official Single Dose grinder yet. It really took companies a lot of time to get into that market! Today I wouldn't really recommend it anymore though. You just NEVER ever get used to that terribly loud and agressive noise from Hell even after 2-3 years lol.
The motor also died after the warranty but Breville gladly sent me a new one for free which wasn't hard to install myself. The build quality definitely doesn't feel European and you can tell. I much prefer the smaller, more silent and portable but slower "Option-O Lagom Mini" at the 400$ range and it has bigger and better conical burrs, it's night and day difference!
Then I replaced that Sette from my mom for the "Eureka Oro" during the pre-orders but was lucky enough not to get the first bad batches as it works flawlessly. It was by far the best grinder at its price range of 800$ so still double from the Option-O. It's super silent, fast and most surprising... It has ZERO retention without even using RDT or a brush in the grind chute!
On my "Ceado E37SD" I must always always use RDT or else it's gonna be a real mess everywhere with A LOT of grind retention like you really don't want to forget that step, and then you still need to use the brush even if you press the bellow like a mad man. If only Ceado would have better designed it with angle but to figure they actually do but want 2-3x the price of that already super expensive grinder just to get the angle.
I also very dislike the plastic plate for grinds doesn't fit flush with the grinder. Who the heck designed something with a 4mm gap on propose so the grinds keep accumulating there rather than all on the plate... You can notice this big flaw within 1 week of use at most! Otherwise it is very reliable after about 1.5 years at ~1Kg per month as I can grind my morning coffee at 1.70 then my décaf on evenings at 1.0 back and forth with no issue and the calibration remains in place when switching between my 2 type of coffees which is the entire point of this.
Question MARC, have you ever compared the stock E37SD Burrs with the SPP burrs? It seems better but the grinder was already very expensive, and I doubt the stock one would be low quality at such price that I would have felt bad to toss away brand new burrs, and also scared to waste 400$ to change 1$ for 4x0.25$ if you see what I mean, plus the risk of ot installing correctly the new set and have a bad zero point or calibration while I know the stock one from Ceado should be tested at the manufacturer.
PS: A little error you said in the video as I happen to be an audiophile as well as an espresso lover 😉 It's about the noise level perceived. It's at every +10dB that you can hear it twice as loud, NOT +3dB! You just mismatched the info that +3dB requires a doubling of the wattage power to achieve that. So a difference of say +20dB between the Sette 270 I had and my E37SD would mean FOUR time louder x_x
"A change of 10 dB is accepted as the difference in level that is perceived by most listeners as “twice as loud” or “half as loud”. Directly from JL-Audio FAQ.
Hate to be that guy, but you and WLL are both incorrect. Sound pressure level is useless for PERCEPTION of loudness. SPL is used to determine if sound is damaging to our hearing, but NOT how we perceive loudness. To approximate how sound is perceived each frequency must be evaluated against a standardized equal loudness curve such as Fletcher-Munson. In that case your units would end up being dB Phons or the linear Sones.
in the sette 270 my gearbox died after two years. Made of plastic. Now I have a Eureka specialita and I am satisfied. Very well made of metal.
Does your Spec grind adjustment become less accurate post cleaning? I know it shouldn’t, but it appears it’s a thing and mine falls victim to this issue
Hi P, Thanks for the feedback. There is a lot of plastic in the Sette and it sits in the high-end appliance grade for build quality. Machine grade products made of metal do cost more for similar features but do have a much longer working lifespan. Not sure if it was the case with your Sette, but they can run into issues when used beyond their rating. Sette has a 10% duty cycle meaning run for 10 seconds rest for 90 seconds. Run for 30 seconds rest for 4.5 minutes etc.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I was making 4 espressos a day. he had enough rest
@@ozpain1 The sette 270 is better for pull over than espesso because I am a lot of tiredness
I have the E37s with ssg red speed burrs and a bellows for single dosing. The ssg burrs are a fantastic upgrade. Very happy. Zero retention with the bellows.
Hey Coffee, Thanks for the report! You turned a beast into a coffee breathing dragon with the burr upgrade🐉
Marc
So great. I wish I could experience it once.
Hello Mark,
Love all your videos and have probably watched most of the. Would you consider a Cedar E37s and a Profitec Pro 500 a good combination? I'm looking to make a great purchase and not have to make any upgrades.
Hi LJC, Thanks a whole latte for the love! You will never have to upgrade from the E37S - it’s an excellent grinder and built like a tank. The Pro 500 is my favorite HX boiler machine. Unless you’re considering a dual boiler it’s the one to get. Hope that helps!
Marc
My Facile has proven to be quite a great little grinder. Love it.
Hi David, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Facile!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Mark. It was your video on Eureka grinders which helped me make my decision. I would like to see more on how to maintain and upgrade these grinders.
Hello! I am thinking of upgrading from the BB005 to the E5Pro for Gaggia Classic Pro. Eventually I’ll upgrade to a more advance semi automatic. My question with the E5Pro, is there any quality difference between the E5P and the E5Pro, since it is a exclusive for your store?
Fiorenzato Allground and Mignon XL with 64mm burrs are also great home grinders
I have 2 Eurekas, the Specialita for espresso and another for my pour overs. How easy is the Ceado to adjust from espresso to pour over? I like the set up for the E37SD with the quick adjustment. Can you get that for the E37S?
Hi LTLR, Thanks for the comment and questions. It's difficult to adjust the E37S from espresso to pour over as it does not have the release like the SD version. It's about 75 turns of the grind size adjustment to go between those brew methods. The E37S cannot be equipped with the quick adjustment. But the E37SD is now a lot closer in price to the E37S: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder
Marc
Hi Marc, great and helpful video. I'm looking to upgrade my grinder, currently using breville smart grinder pro. Pairing with my profitec pro 500, my espresso taste honestly I feel quite lacking. Among candidates available in Malaysia is sette 270, eureka mignon XL, and also niche zero if I can get a stock. Any experience or recommendation on listed or other models? I'm using for home, typically 3-4 cups per day
Hi MIBMH, Thanks for the comment and question. My preference top to bottom is the Eureka Mignon XL then the Sette 270 and personally I'd stay away from the Niche. Mignon has far and away the best build quality. It's a true machine grade product that'll serve for decade+. Also has nice big flat burrs which are preferred for espresso. The Sette is doable but rather loud. It grinds quick and fluffy and can be staticky in low humidity environments. It can easily handle your 3-4 cups a day but does have a felt friction ring between the macro and micro adjustment rings that will eventually need replacement - but it's only a couple of dollars. Also comes with burr shims which need to be installed after a few Kg's of grinding to restore fine grinding range.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi wholelattelove! Love your videos! We just bought the Quick Mill Pippa per your referral. Can you please do a detailed video from the start (turning machine on) to pulling a few shots in a row, showing when to fill the boiler etc! There is only one video on TH-cam and it would be great having a detailed video showing exactly how to use it from the very beginning of turning on the switch to position one. And powering down after using it to pull a few shots in a row! Please please!!! Thank you so much!!!!!!❤❤❤
Hi Tiffany, Thanks for the kind comment and congrats on your new machine! We are working on doing startup videos. A bunch are complete and the Pippa is on the list but may be awhile - will do our best!
Marc
Firstly I ask my question. In the Eureka line which grinder is best for oily beans? Larger burrs with fast output or the opposite? Bigger chute?
When you said, " I have never had a problem grinding small, hard, light roast beans." Well, guess who likes the enemy of all grinders dark oily beans. Something often lost in the minutiae of espresso making is that it's all about the taste, not timing, crema height or density. People may rail against this type of dark roast but I like it in a french press or out of an espresso machine. Your opinion would be appreciated.
Hi LC, I never judge people for what they like. I brought up the light roast because they tend to be harder than dark roasts so can be more challenging for underpowered grinders. A bigger chute and wide direct path out of a grinder means less restriction and fewer spots for oils to build up. The majority of Eureka grinders have similar geometry/design of path out after the grinding chamber. Larger burrs result in faster grinding and more force/velocity to push out ground coffee. The real problem comes when oils accumulate, combine with powdery grinds and narrow or obstruct the path out. The solution is to clean the grinder as needed. When regular cleaning is needed life is easier with a grinder that's easy to open up and does not loose grind size setting when doing so. All the grinders in Eureka's Mignon line have those characteristic's with access to grinding chamber by removing 4 easy to access screws and no loss of grind setting when doing so. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thx. I own a rocky that is over 17 years old and it has served me well. It was probably designed 25 years ago so it definitely the model t of home grinders. Extremely durable but it has some downsides. I watched a youtube video on cleaning a mignon and some of the comments after seeing some grounds below the burr carrier and what they seemed to think was a lot of work as a design flaw. Gee, obviously they don't have any experience cleaning grinders. Definitely made me laugh. Mignon cleaning looks delightful after having a rocky.
Hi Mark,
Need your help please, I am upgrading from a Barista Pro to a Gaggia classic pro. Can you please recommend a coffee grinder for me to make two or three Latte’s a day.
Thank you
Hi Tim, The Eureka Mignon Facile featured in this video pairs well with the Gaggia Classic Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder
It's a well built, no frills, flat burr, machine grade grinder with the precision needed for espresso. The Baratza Sette is an option as well. Not the same build quality but it is fast (also louder) and produces a beautiful fluffy grind. The Sette 270 is produces accurate dose to dose weights. The Facile is manual with no timed functions.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hey! Some help here.
Im deciding which grinder to pair with a gaggia classic pro.
Eureka mignon silenzio
Bartaza vario+
DF64e
Any clue?
Hi r, I'd go with the Eureka. Any of those grinders will work. I've used all 3 and like the Selenzio the best. Nicer build quality than the others - it's a much more solid unit than the Vario. I'm just not a fan of the DF64 I've used. The way the top burr rides on 3 springs reminds me of some Mazzer grinders I used to use. Drove me nuts cleaning those things! Beyond that it uses some aluminum components in areas I don't like. Also prefer made in Italy - only the Eureka is.
Marc
Hi Mark. Do you have any thoughts on "grind by weight" grinders? I'm interested in the Eureka Mignon Libra. I don't see it on your store, are you looking at getting it at some point? It seems to me a great alternative to single dosing (less manual weighing on a separate scale) so likely a time saver, if the technology holds of course. Thanks for your videos and your advice!
Hey Es, We currently have a Libra in-house for evaluation and testing. If it does well and early indications are it will then it should be on our site soon. I have used the grind by weight Baratza 270 Wi extensively since it was released about 5 years ago. After a slightly shaky start, software and construction updates a few years back turned it into an amazingly accurate weight based grinder. The 270 Wi is more in the appliance grade of products while the Libra has a more robust machine grade build quality.
Marc
I upgraded from the Ceado E5P to the E37S and the differences were jaw dropping.
Hi Angel, E37S is an incredible grinder! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
Good to know. I am very happy with my E5.
I intend to buy a home espresso grinder. Would you recommend any Bratza and do they work well?
Hi AA, Yes the Baratza 270 featured in this video.
Hey Mark and WLL team! Quick question on the ceado grinders- as i was perusing the site, both the E5 and E37 have dedicated single dosing variants. Were there any considerations for those grinders for the video as well? and if so would the test results at the end be comparable enough to the grind on demand counterparts to just be a preference in style consideration?
Hi Ryan, Thanks for the question. All grinders were considered but we only have 5 slots in the video and wanted to present our favorites in a range of prices. The E5SD and E37SD are both excellent grinders. Frankly, the build quality of those are a little better than the Eureka which results in higher prices which did not fit into the range we wanted in the video. If interested here's our video comparing the E5P, E6P and E5SD grinders: th-cam.com/video/V-Fnu7R68Tc/w-d-xo.html
And an in-depth look at the E37SD: th-cam.com/video/qPWNcfbRcIs/w-d-xo.html
Marc
What would be better for home use. A single dose grinder or a hopper style? And how long can the beans in the hopper stay fresh vs putting them in a vacuum canister? .
Hi KS, Depends on your style. Do you like the espresso making process? Will you use more expensive, fresh specialty grade beans. If yes to both of those them single dose might be the right choice for you. I would not leave beans in a hopper for more than a day or so. Not much difference over 1 day in hopper vs. vacuum canister. It's long term storage where a canister shows benefit. For me, I leave beans sealed tight in original bag after expelling as much air from the bag as possible.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage My drink of choice is a sugar free vanilla breve. I have a Nuova Simonelli Oscar II. and usually only pull about 4 to 6 shots per day. I use the best Folgers money can buy. Just kidding. Lmao. I use quality beans.
I've been looking at the Lagom Mini and the Niche Zero. What grinder would you suggest? Thank you so much for replying and love y'alls videos.
Great video Marc keep it up. WLL sells the best, specially the coffee. I just order my two favorites...
Hi Erlyn, Thanks will do! What are your favorites?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Danesi Gold and Lavazza super crema
Hi Mark,
A while ago you recommended to me the Firoengato F64E, where would that grinder sit in this range?
I have a friend looking at getting an espresso machine and the ECM synchronika with a Firoengato F64E is quite reasonably priced where we live, though it's infact only a little more to instead get the F83E Pro grinder.
Hi ER, Hmmm... I do not recall recommending that grinder. Typically I only recommend products I've personally used and I don't recall ever using that one. Perhaps I looked it up and saw it was a 64mm flat burr grinder and has a decent reputation so endorsed it for that reason. I assume the F83 uses an 83mm flat burr set. Bigger burrs grind faster with more uniform particle size in the grind - that's a good thing.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage My mistake it was the Ceado E6P that you recommended, not sure why I ended up looking into the Firoengato after your recommendation. Thanks for the reply.
I have seen the Firoengato displays temperature and humidity which is nice, but probably of limited use.
Personally for home use only only single dose grinders makes any sense. All those others don't unless you have 10 people living at your house and everybody wants the same exact coffee daily. In a home coffee sitting in those bins overnight just gets stale too fast.
Just a thought I would do two separate videos. One with all the other grinders in one video, a separate video with the best single dose of the year grinders.
Hi DJ, Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Idea for this video was to present favorites in a wide rang of price points and functionalities - perhaps separate videos down the road.
Marc
Rocky to Mazzer Mini. Then I changed out the Mazzer burr carriers and put in Mazzer Super Jolly burrs. Finally Ceado E37S. I don't need anything else really. Consistency is there and ease of use is there too.
Hey TT, E37S is a fabulous grinder! I've used the others as well which all had their day. But looking back in comparison: Rocky slow, clumpy and hindered by stepped adjustment. Mazzer a PITA to clean and exposed threads get gummed up making adjustment stiff and jumpy.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Remember, I said the gumming up was a feature to aid in keeping the burrs still! Rocky is as durable as the best, but the ability to grind certain beans wasn’t there and yes, the stepped adjustment was a killer. I went to the Mazzer mini In hopes that constantly dosing during the grind would eliminate the pea sized lumps the Rocky kept making. The doser was loud, clicky, dosed to one side and a PITA to clean.
I’m all done. I dose on manual. Knock the portafilter and tamp. Very good consistency without the racket and mess. Of course it is sports car fast too.
@@Todd.T Thanks for sharing! Yes sports car fast!
Marc
Great video - I wish my technique was up there with yours.
I love my Niche - quiet, consistent, reliable single dosing and keeps its setting. Easy to clean and not much build up of coffee in the machine.
If I wanted a hopper grinder that Caedo E5Pro would be something I would seriously consider.
The Sette is made and serviced near me but was a non starter for noise and reliability issues.
BTW, on static issues:
I hate mess and static from a grinder can greatly aggravate this as well as contributing to coffee retention in the grinder.
My current workflow is to grind into a cup and then transfer to the portafilter with a funnel on top after letting the coffee sit in the cup for a few seconds to dissipate static, followed by a quick WDT to get a flat even bed of coffee before tamping.
I have no need to spritz with water, which I am reluctant to do anyway for corrosion issues.
Hi Tom, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Concerns for me with Niche is the conical burr and the full coffee brewing grind size adjustment range is ~180 degrees from espresso fine to immersion coarse. I'm used to a much higher level of size control in the espresso range.
Static can be an issue and messy when it happens. Low humidity conditions tend to make it worse. I usually do not worry about RDT spray. When needed, it's usually because air and/or beans are dry. Grinding process removes any moisture from burrs etc so corrosion not a problem.
Marc
That's Not Unusual! 🤣
Niche is very good if you don't change beans often and don't go from espresso to pour over. I use regular in the norning, decaf in the afternoon and dial for a new regular beans each week. After 6 month threads got worned out. I actually grind espresso at -1 before the dial numbers to get 9 bars :/ The optionO is also build with soft metal threads...
What grinder would you recommend for someone who has people in the household who drink decaf beans and other drink standard. Hence I’m single dosing each time I grind and I’d like as little internal retention as possible. Paired up with a Lelit Anna Espresso Machine.
Hi brendon, Best of the bunch here for that is the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose. If you can take the extra noise, the Baratza Sette 270 single doses with very low retention.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for your reply.
I want to upgrade from my “starter” setup (Breville Café Roma model ESP8XL and Capresso Infinity grinder) and I’m leaning towards the Gaggia Classic Pro. I really wanted an HX or at least one of the higher end single boiler machines, but baby steps… I single dose because after the first of the day it’s decaf for me. I was thinking of the Eureka Mignon Zero (not the Oro) or the Baratza Sette 270. I typically make one or two milk drinks and then switch to drip, moka pot or French press. Although with a better espresso machine that could become Americanos. I’m just wondering if either of the mentioned grinders would be better for my planned use or if something else would be better. I suppose I could hold on to the Capresso for the French press…
Hi Barbara, Gaggia Classic Pro is an excellent choice for a next step and the Mignon Zero a good pairing. I would hang onto the Infinity for brew methods other than espresso. If you want to kick your espresso quality up a notch, precise control of grind size is key. Difficult to do that if you're dramatically altering grind size for brew methods other than espresso. Espresso focused grinders tend to produce more fines at coarser grind sizes. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the quick reply Marc. Now I just have to decide if I'm OK with it in white or if I'm going to wait for the Zero to get back in stock in black.
I have a Sette30. It's adequate for espresso but the 270 series would be better. However, the sette is ungodly loud...if that's an issue, I would buy another grinder.
Hi KCW, Thanks for adding your thoughts - 100% agree.
Marc
Does an espresso distributor eliminate the need for a tamper ?
Hey u, Thanks for the question. Some do - especially those with an adjustable depth head. Setup properly, it compresses the ground coffee enough that tamping is not required. Here's a video featuring The Jack Leveler. It's one that eliminates the need for tamping: th-cam.com/video/4Z5vTi643sc/w-d-xo.html
Marc
One day I am going to brew a coffee as smooth as your voice! ☕👍
Hey AE, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
After owning my Fachile for a few months now I’m super impressed with what it has to offer for the price point. And its super easy to convert to a single dose grinder.
Couldn't agree more!
Marc
What do you think of the Urbanic 70s Korean grinder?
Hi Jakob, I have not used but I'm skeptical of quality given the too good to be true pricing. A big concern is lack of precision. Full range of grind size adjustment from espresso fine to coarse for drip in a very small adjustment range. Doubt it has the precision required for espresso.
Marc
Hi Mark, How’s the grind size distribution across the machines? Just to be sure we’re talking about the same thing (not sure I used the right term), at a specific grind setting, how much variation there is in coffee grind size.
Hi VS, You said it right! Grinders with conical burrs tend to produce a wider range of particle sizes than those with flat burrs. With flat burrs particle size distribution tends to fall into a narrower range as the burrs get bigger. So widest particle distribution in these grinders is probably on the Sette with narrowest range in the Ceado E37S.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the great response :)
I have a sette 270, and have MAJOR problems with static buildup. The machine throws out coffee grounds like a lawn broadcast spreader. Creates a huge mess every time I grind. Anyone have any ideas on how to solve that problem?
Hi O, Static is due to low humidity. Also happens in very new grinder prior to burrs being seasoned with a coating of coffee oils. Also dry beans. An easy solution is RDT - Ross Droplet Technique. Just spray beans in the hopper of water using a fine mist sprayer and stir right before grinding. If you don't have a mist sprayer just stir with a wet finger.
@@Wholelattelovepage I have done all of those things and the static is still terrible! I've even wiped down the whole machine and the outside of the hopper with a dryer sheet. Any other ideas?
I have the 270 WI and I grind into a small stainless steel container before tipping that into the portafilter which reduced the mess substantially. For the 270, I'd recommend you use a portafilter funnel .. we used a stainless steel funnel in our cafe which reduced mess and coffee waste considerably. They are only about 20 bucks
I am very very happy with my Ceado E6P. Ceado grinders are amazing. If I had to upgrade, Mahlkönig E65S GBW would be my choice, unless I get the chance for an even more premium one, like from Kafatek
Hey Kars, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the E6P. For those who do not know, the Ceado E5Pro is essentially the same grinder without the timing functions.
Marc
I prefer the 1zpresso manual grinders, but I would have a eureka oro mignon. It's very beautiful!
But if u get the oro then u won't get the arm work out back!
Hey c, thanks for the comment - I like the look too!
Marc
I've had SIlenzio for about 2.5 years now. It is a great little machine. The downside is that it gets clogged very easily which you cannot do a finer grind to make a single dose espresso shot for example.
Hi TR, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You must be grinding very fine or maybe oily beans? I have not had clogging issues with Mignon Silenzio grinders.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. That's a very good point. I may try different types of beans next time and see if that makes a difference. I'd really like to try making a single shot espresso but for that, the grind needs to be much finer than "normal".
I too, had clogging issues with the Mignon grinder. I purchased an insecticide bellows that fits the opening (with a PVC pipe adapter) and pump it while grinding, a bit messy. It still clogs but once a month rather than every other day. It doesnt seem to be well designed for dark roast espresso beans. Considering I spent $700 on it, and I like the functionality of it, but it's as temperamental as a Fiat.
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Hi Y, Best of these is the Ceado E37S. Last grinder you'll ever buy!
Marc
Ceado E37S. آخر مطحنة سوف تشتريها على الإطلاق!
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marc
@@Wholelattelovepage
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Top 5 Grinders we sell would be a better description? Or some sort of disclosure maybe?
Where are the single dose grinders? I don't think I could cope with a coffee grinder that isn't which is why I've been stuck waiting for Lagom to have stock available in the US
Hi Greg, the Eureka Oro Mignon in the video is a single dose grinder: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-oro-mignon-single-dose-grinder-white
Hi I purchase an Breville dual boiler. what is the best grinder for espresso under $600.00
Hey LA, Here's a link to all our espresso grinders currently $600 and under: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_p_price=195%3A600&sort=price-descending
I'd lean toward the Eureka Mignon Silenzio grinders
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you
Does the Oro grind knob become inconsistent post cleaning like the rest of the Eureka mignons?
Hey 80's, Hmmm... that's news to me. Cleaning should have no affect on grind knob.
Marc
I have the baratza forte… great grinder, but it is loud!
Hi Chris, Thanks for sharing - if you think the Forte is loud listen to the Sette!
Marc
This video just cost me a lot of money. Looking forward to the E37S
Hi DM, Sorry, not sorry 😉. It'll be the last you spend on grinder!
Marc
Thanks Mark
Very welcome!
Marc
I would have prefer a retention test that eliminate the new grind pushing the old out like fully cleaned grind chambers.
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the comment - I hear you. As mentioned that would not represent real world use. Guessing nobody opens up and cleans grinder out after every grind cycle. Did the test as if single dosing with each grinder.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I mean clean to test the ginders. Then in the real world you'll know the real amount of stale and wrong size grain stays in the grinder. Ex: case#1 if you change from beans-A to beans-Bdecaf or want to go from filter to espresso, you will know how much of the wrong size stays in the grinder between changes.
Fiorenzata All Ground
What about best "all arounder"
Hi Todd, Always a little compromise involved if selecting a single grinder for all brew methods. Of those in the list the Sette is probably best for multi-purpose. It can go quickly and repeatedly between a wide range of grind sizes. The other's here are espresso focused so adjusting to a coarser grind size invoilves a lot of turning of the adjustment. Keep in mind the Sette does not have the build quality of the others and is louder.
Marc
want the E3 pro one day i will
Hi MM, E5Pro - right?
Marc
I had the Sette 270 grinder for 1 year. Nothing but problems. Do not waste your money on the Sette 270 grinder. Too much plastic and it did not last. I ended up buying the Facile and it has worked flawlessly with no issues.
Hi FA, Thanks for sharing your experience with the 270. As mentioned in the video it's an appliance grade product compared to the Facile which is machine grade.
Marc
The 270 and Facile are definately on 2 different levels. I was not aware of "Appliance Grade" vs "Machine Grade". Now I know. Anyway, live and learn for me. On another note, I am looking to upgrade from my ECM Casa V (which has worked for me with no issues for over 4 years) to either an Apartamento or a Profitec Pro 500. Any feedback on either of these espresso machines?
@@fab-antonio Thanks for the feedback on the Casa V! Between Appartamento and Pro 500 I'd go 500. It has PID which makes a big difference in temp stability. And, go with the flow control version. Opens up all kinds of custom extraction possibilities like taming brightness in fresh from roast specialty coffees and reducing bitterness in darker roasts. Not sure where you are, but the version of the 500 we carry has visible PID display which functions as shot timer during an extraction: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-500-pid-espresso-machine
Marc
When did David Lee Roth start selling coffee??
I do enjoy and appreciate your videos, but you should really make it clear that these are the best grinders that you sell, rather than the best available.
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the comment and appreciation. So we are very selective in the products we carry. The opinions on our favorites are informed by our personal experience, direct customer feedback, customer reviews and our service technicians.
Marc
Didn’t you read (and hear) the word “favourite”? How much clearer can they be?
@@scrumpymanjack Are you serious?
In other post replies, Mark has admitted that some products are only available from their manufacturers. It is more than conceivable that one of those would be considered a favourite but they can't sell them.
Why so aggressive?
Others have made the same point that I have so, clearly, I'm not unusually stupid!!!
@@andrewelliott1939 not aggressive and never said (or even implied) that you were stupid. Chill.
what is your choise for best?
Hi mr k, Best espresso grinder here is the Ceado E37S: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black
It's what we use in house as our reference grinder when testing high-end machines. Look for a new video dropping in a day or two in which I compare it to some others with buckets of test results including grind particle analysis.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepageso if you want say best choice under 500$ ?
@@mr_knight4701 Best value under $500 is the Eureka Mignon Facile: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder
And, it's significantly under $500
No DF64?
Nope
@@Wholelattelovepage have you folks used that grinder?
Where the Gaggia MDF? You’re missing a doser!
Lol!
it's a very beginner grinder and it can't be compared with the pro grinders like Eureka/Fiorenzato/Ceado etc
Ceado e37s it's the route to go. Don't bother with anything else. Nothing comes close. Don't waste your time or money.
HI ES, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
Hi Marc. After a lot of research and watching your vids I purchased a ceado e37s. After battling with it for 8 months I sent it back for a full refund. It's setting would wander, retention was huge, it would produce horrendous shots with extreme channels and a taste to equal. Backup from Ceado was non existent and arrogant. Thankfully my local supplier was great and gave me my money back. My brother has the same grinder and the same problems. They're not all fabulous unfortunately
Hi Ben, Sorry to hear your story - does not match my use of the grinder in any way. No BS it's far and away my favorite grinder and as mentioned what I use when I need to take the grinder out of the variable mix when working with new machines and other products like precision filter baskets. Over the years I've used at least 20 different E37S grinders and never had a lemon. Hate to say - but have to mention (and not saying it's the issue in your case) but problems are often due to user technique. Hope that doesn't sound arrogant. It's possible - though I think unlikely your grinder had some base issue. Glad to hear your local supplier was great.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. Yes, obviously thought I could be the problem. I purchased a niche after 4 months and could pull much better shots immediately. Then after getting my money back got a df64p. Amazing. Shot quality like you see on TH-cam. No wandering zero. Just how a grinder should be. Ceados response was much like yours. Machine was in no way faulty.
I did the same. After watching these videos I chose the e37J and have been struggling with it for about a month now. I ground through three pounds of coffee to season the burrs, and now about four more pounds in at this point. Seeing zero consistency in grind, grinds spilling everywhere, clumps, lots of retention, and the most frustrating thing is the lack of being able to make anything close to a fine adjustment in grind selection with the lever… it jumps when trying to move it (with the grinder running, and wasting coffee beans in the process); it does not move at all without great effort. I would have considered the S model, but it was close to a 50% premium to the cost for the worm gear adjustment. A grinder at that price point should not be that difficult to adjust.
@@AA-SFO yep. My brother bought the e37j first and couldnt even remotely dial it in. After about a similar amount of coffee to you he returned it to WLL and upgraded to the e37s. I'd suggest contacting whoever you got it off.
@@AA-SFO I started off with a Sette 270 and it really did like the grinds it produced. It was pretty messy (it's dry here in Colorado) but that was mostly fixed with some RDT. However, the noise from it was horrific. There are lots of stories about Settes breaking, but also how Baratza has great customer support. There's very minimal retention from the Sette, and the 270 model gives lots of adjustability -- you really can't expect the level of control needed for espresso from the 30. But the noise...!! I still have it stashed away in case of emergency.
So I bought a Ceado E37J. I must have gotten a bad unit because after grinding through fully 8 lbs of coffee to season it and dial it in, it would still not make espresso even with the burrs just back from touching; it would not grind fine enough. I can't explain it, and nor could WLL. And that adjustment lever?? It was terrible. Next to impossible to make a fine adjustment. Also, the retention was quite high because the burrs are a lot smaller than the grind chamber was designed for.
So back it went to WLL and I upgraded to an E37S, the one I wanted all along anyway. I was drawn to the Ceados because I was hoping to hopper-feed my beans, but it turns out that with only about 5 shots a day there was still enough retention that the first shot of the day was dried out and would run very fast. The idea of having to dump 1/5 of my shots wasn't appealing so I went back to single-dosing. The S does this well enough, although you must use a bellows for it to work. And you've really got to mix the grinds very thoroughly in the dosing cup as the first vs last grinds run quite differently -- it's easy to get a weak spot in the portafilter if you don't distribute them very well.
It's just...the shot consistency is flakey. I think I have decent technique, but I can see back to back shots be 35g and then 55g for the same 35s (with 20g in). And the pucks look beautiful. Why?
The Ceados feel very well built - like the mechanism will be something I can give to my kid one day, but I look at the touch-panel and wonder how that's going to hold up.
But at the end of the day I could have bought a DF64 for literally 1/3 the cost of the Ceado and probably have the same or better results (as has been reported by others).
(Edit: I had the E37J & S back to front; corrected that.)
Lol when van halen or def leopard decides to lead a healthier life and starts reviewing coffee
Hahaha, 70/80's hair band coffee for your health!
Marc
Great review. However it made my ears bleed when you kept saying Fa-chilli 😂
😅
But is it a whole latte love exclusive? 🤣
Hey C, We've been in espresso for 25 years and work with manufacturers to bring improvements to products based on customer feedback. The Mignon Facile fills a need for a high quality no frills, machine grade grinder with larger flat burrs and quiet operation. The Ceado E5Pro adds the side pulse switch to the PF activated switch so dosing into bottomless PFs or other containers is easier than on the original E5P.
when the grinder costs more than the espresso machine you have to assess things.
No single dose grinders ? Only single does grinders make any sense for
home use in my humble opinion.
Hi Dr, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Did you miss the Eureka Oro Mignon single dose grinder in the video? As the name says, it's single dose.
Marc
Entry level....400 bucks? Wow.
Hey B, ya, premium grade espresso grinders run $800 and up.
You test everything but the taste. Funny
Hi uu, How do suggest I quantify taste? Taste is very subjective and many other variables involved. I can say this... In general: flat burrs are preferred for espresso grinding, larger burrs produce a more consistent grind particle size resulting in more clarity in flavor. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage you are right, but your expert opinion about taste has more weight than 90% of us. Thanks 🙏
Taste is too subjective, Some love bitter!!
Wow… this dude was my gateway into home espresso about 4 years ago. Him and the old lesbian chick… Gayle? Haven’t seen much content from WLL for a while.
The world of coffee videos has changed quite a bit over the last couple of years.
Co
No niché
too expensive
So?
Hey Jack, Well, conical burr and manufacturer direct only as far as I know.
Marc
too expensive and it's not always in stock
Am surprised that u guys put that appliance (baratza) in this group of machines! Such garbage appliances they make.
Hi Jesus, The Sette grinders: 30, 270 and 270Wi offer a level of performance which exceeds other appliance grade products. Grind quality is superb and grinding speed (if you can take the noise) is impressive.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage hey marc! Sorry just have had very bad experiences with this brand their vario while it gave a good taste in the cup was
Plagued with issues specially ripping the rubber bands they put on it for motor to blades it was a night mare. My ceado e6p that u guys recommended has been flawless in 3 years, saving up for that e37 but they keep
Getting more and more expensive lol
I also don't like baratza - it made from ton of plastics and you can be deafened by it noise
You are missing all the good single dosing grinders. Option-O. Niche. Kafetek. Titus. Ouch!
Hi MG, Well, if I'm going to the trouble of single dosing for espresso I'm doing it with a flat burr grinder so no Niche for me. Also just can't get over the full-range of grind sizes from espresso fine to coarse for immersion contained in a 180 degree turn of adjustment. Really tough to be precise with espresso grind size.