I had a Baratza Sette 270 (not the wi model) but this grinder, after about 1 year got so loud you literally had to wear ear protection. So I now have a Eureka Mignon Silenzio and although slightly slower than the Sette, the quiet operation is just wonderful. And its a great grinder at that. Very happy.
I'm addicted to these videos. They're fun and full of great information. I've changed my mind 3 times on which grinder to purchase but after the sound test on this one I'm pretty set on a Eureka Mignion or salenzio version. Thank you!
There is so much to like about the Sette but over 2 years I had to return it for repair too many times. Baratza bumped me up to a refurbished Vario an I haven’t looked back. The baratza company is a pleasure to deal with BTW
I went from a Macap m2m to the sette 270w.. just fantastic, zero regrets. Can be messy if it overflows, but just use the supplied container and a retention ring to dose.. perfect!
Thanks for sharing your experience! Your solution for controlling mess seems like it's working, but another option is to lightly mist and stir your beans in the hopper before grinding. This will reduce static and keep things a little neater. AJ
Hey edgar, Thanks for the report. I totally agree. The E37S is my goto for machine testing. Big burrs make a difference! Also excellent weight consistency on timed doses and beautiful distribution of fluffy clump free grind into portafilter. Marc
I had the Baratza Sette 270 and now switched to the Ceado E37S with SSP High Uniformity Burrs - great to see that my overall grinder choice has been and is still good! :-)
I was puzzled and surprised that the Facile was quieter-until I remembered that it was only grinding at about 1/5th the volume. Yes, I’m biased. I love my Ceado E37SD. 😄
Great Video, I have the Facile ( bought at WLL) and it is very quite and the grinds are very good, only problem I have is I have a 54 mm breville portafilter witch doesn't work well when trying to grind to it so I use a dosing cup
Thanks for sharing and for your support! The Facile is a great bang-for-your-buck grinder. Using the dosing cup is a good workaround if you have a smaller portafilter. AJ
QUESTION: Can Eureka Mignon Facile grind for pour over? I currently have a Baratza Encore and I want to gift it and get an all purpose grinder. I've heard Sette is very loud. So, would facile grind for pour over? Thanks!
We've had the Facile for almost a year now and it's not skipped a beat. We're part of that geeky single dose movement and my other hobby is 3D printing design. I can confirm that the Facile makes a great single dosing grinder. Of course it's nothing like a top of the line Ceado but for our needs it works perfectly at the moment. We tossed the bulk hoppers (figuratively) because we switch beans all the time and so we weigh shots into a dosing cup, WDT it and feed it into a single dosing hopper that has a bellows lid. The Facile outputs back out to the dosing cup and I find the variance to be +/- 0.1g. The process is a little longer but it fits right in with our nerd lifestyle. However there may be something with 65mm burrs later in the year just because.
Hi Paul, Thanks for sharing your impression of the Facile and your hack! Do keep an eye on your burrs. Long term use of RDT (wetting the beans prior to grinding) can cause corrosion of steal burrs - especially in higher humidity environments. Pupose built single dosing grinders like those from Ceado use burrs treated with anti-oxidant coatings to prevent corrosion.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the response AJ, I completely agree about keeping a close eye on the burrs. It's part of the whole unreasonably obsessive thing, I've usually got the tops of the grinders off about once a week and maybe it's because the tiny amount of water used via a spritzing bottle and the oils in the beans but I've not seen any corrosion after almost a year. One of the benefits it seems of using a bellows in a single dosing solution is how clean it keeps the internals. There's virtually no build up in the grind chamber in fact the only place that grinds seem to collect is the anti-clumper and I suspect that is down to the inevitable fines losing velocity and sticking to the throat just before everything gets ejected. I've just ordered a Bezzera BZ13 DE from you guys and once we get to grips with it then the Ceado starts to get obsessed about. We're down the rabbit hole now and there's no getting out.
Thank you so much for except professional video! Please. I need an advice. I found a grinder for my skills and level - so I drink only espresso based drinks. So I put my eye on Eureka Mignon Facila. I see on your website now there is a good price. Should I buy this grinder? I was thinking about Baratza Encore ESP. But i think Facila is better. I have Rancilio Silvia V1 😂😂😂 but it works. Now I grind on Comandante hand grinder. I think electric grinder is better. Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hey alex, you are welcome. If doing espresso only I'd go with the Mignon Facile over the Encore ESP. With stepless grind size adjustment it's more precise for dialing in espresso grind size. Also uses flat burrs which are preferred for espresso and has a more robust build quality.
The biggest shift of late in home espresso world was a move to single-dose, low retention grinders. Yet, all your “best” grinders have hoppers and AFAIK only Sette is low retention, when for home barista this is much more important than niceness of portafilter holder or clickiness of grind button.
For me personally single dosing got tiresome very fast, especially if you have friends around and making multiple drinks, each time weighing the dose slows down the pace drastically, i started apreciating eurekas timer, once you dial in, its very accurate and workflow gets smoother aswell.
It all comes down to how your process is built. The weighing itself takes just couple of seconds, and if you do it while the previous dose is still grinding - time difference is really minimal.
@@pfa231 i see your point and i guess my process isnt ideal for that, especially since i grind straight in to bottomless portafilter and it doesnt hold itself on eureka, i could grind in to seperate cup but its simpler to just go with timer, i really wanted nieche but i ve been single dosing for half a year and i have second thoughts if i want a single doser
Good discussion. Yes, single-dosing has been more popular lately in the home espresso community, though I believe the perceived interest versus actual use is a bit inflated. It's easy to see forums like Home Barista or Reddit as an accurate sample size of the home espresso population, however a vast majority of our customers don't single dose. These forums are super useful and a great place for information and discussion, but it's often only the top 5% of people who have fallen the deepest down the rabbit hole. Nothing wrong with that by any means, but we try to cater to everyone. That said, we are probably overdue for a new video on single-dosing since there is a lot to be said on the topic, both pros and cons. AJ
Thank E37S is the way to go. I just wish they made one for tiny kitchens in a smaller footprint with the same features! They would sell like hot cakes!
Hey B, Thanks for the comment. E37S is a beast! excellent grind quality, b ulti to last for decades and fabulous distribution in to PF. If looking for a large burr grinder in smaller package maybe check out thenew Eureka Oro XL w/65mm burrs. Not quite the bulletproof uild of the Ceado but excellent: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-oro-mignon-xl-espresso-grinder-black
Do you know if Baratza solved the technical issues with the Sette gears wearing out? I like the grinder but contemplating sending it back and getting something different unless the replacement part is somehow better. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing. Very useful information. I would have appreciate to have a Lelit (may be PL72) instead of 2 Eureka grinders in this presentation. And also the ease of cleaning for each because it's a recurring operation.
What would you guys say about the Eureka Mignon XL in comparison to the two Ceado models tastewise and in regards to grind retention? I currently own an old Eureka Mignon MCI and am looking to upgrade to a grinder with larger burrs. However, I switch between coffees often practice single dose grinding. Given that noise and grind speed are no factors I care about, what would you recommend to go for? A Mignon XL, wait for the Eureka Single Dose or would you recommend any of the Ceado grinders over the two models aforementioned?
Hi Tim, I personally think the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose is going to be a game changer. If you're considering the XL but do a lot of single-dosing, it'll likely be a perfect fit. Same 65mm diamond inside burrs and same motor as the XL. We've been playing with a demo unit for a couple months and should have them in stock very soon. www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-oro-mignon-single-dose-grinder-white Another option if you don't want to wait is the Ceado E5SD. It's a bit pricier, but build quality and performance are excellent. We're actually going to be using it in a video we're shooting tomorrow on our favorite coffees of the year. www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder AJ
Thanks for the answer! Looking forward to a review of the Eureka Oro Single Dose once you have them in stock! But that one is definitely my first choice.
I love my sette grind,but the electrostatic effect is infuriating. You could even see it in the video early on. Having to always add some drops of water kills many of the advantages of the machine. Any tips or solutions are very welcome.
Hey Kenny, as you mentioned, RDT (a couple sprays or drops of water stirred in) is probably the best way to control the static, especially if you're in a cold/dry place during winter months. Single-dosing may make this process a little easier, and luckily the Sette is very good at this. A humidifier in the room may also help, but that's not very practical. AJ
I have looked at both the E37S and E37 SD from Ceado, and I am trying to figure out what commands a $700 premium on the single dosing model. It looks to come with some extra tools, but also removes a lot of the valuable features of the E37S. They both have 83mm burrs, but are they of different quality? I normally weigh before and after grinding, but wouldn’t mind dropping that from my routine if the dosing is as accurate on the E37S as you report here.
As you mentioned, a few extra parts and tools - bellows, rubber chute cover, RDT sprayer, WDT cup, dosing funnel. The biggest improvement though is the burrs. While both 83mm, the E37SD has titanium coated burrs. This is good for durability and longevity, but also rust prevention as many people who single-dose spray their beans with a little water beforehand. AJ
There are so many great options available and your videos have helped me find them! Thank you a-late! I'm looking for a burr grinder that can grind between french press to espresso and I've been weighing out options. I'm thinking the Eureka Perfetto is a great option yet I'm curious - is it hard to dial in the perfect size when switching back and forth? Something with preset grind size options would be cool but I don't think that exists, at least not for less than $1,000. What are your thoughts? I'm new to these things but I'm very excited to get into it. I have a Rancilio Silvia V2 and a french press so far. I'd just rather have one grinder rather than two. 😃
Hi Tyler, it's clear you've done your research! You're right that the Eureka Mignon Perfetto is a great all-purpose grinder. Because it contains the full grind size range in one rotation of the adjustment dial, it's quick to switch between methods. But, because the adjustment is so course, you won't have as precise control as some other Eureka models. This is especially important in the espresso range where small variation in size can have a significant impact. If you're concerned about hitting the exact same spot while regularly switching back and forth, you may look into something like the Baratza Vario, which has 220 stepped grind settings via a macro and micro adjustment dial, making it easy to get the same size when going back and forth. And, well under $1,000! www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-vario-grinder-in-black AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage That's phenomenal!! Thank you so much for the info.Your guys' prices are also highly competitive! Thank you again and much love from Alberta. ❤️
We don't currently carry it but it's likely we will in the future. Here's more info on the grinder from Eureka's site: www.eureka.co.it/en/catalogo/prodotti/macinacaff%c3%a8+on+demand/1/76.aspx AJ
I have had a Silenzio for a year now paired with my Gaggia CP. It's amazing! Add a single dose hopper and it's perfect to go between grind sizes, or caff to decaf, on demand. And it really is zero retention with a bellows added on.
Creado E5 Pro is currently $100 more then Eureka silenzio. Will it be worth to swallow the difference? I’d like a quiet machine, lower retention grinder that has room for a dosing funnel. Thank you!
Both are great options and depend on your feature preferences. E5Pro will have larger burrs and hopper. Silenzio will be smaller, slightly quieter, and give you the option for timed grinding. I personally have a Silenzio at home because my counter space is limited and I fond it to be a great compromise between size and performance. If you're single dosing, I'd recommend checking out the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose Grinder. Here's a review video I made on it: th-cam.com/video/dLvJVQzmqNo/w-d-xo.html AJ
I don't personally have much experience with it, but on paper it's a pretty big step up from the E37S - same size burrs but the T's have a titanium coating for added durability. Also a more powerful motor and fan for temperature control in the grinding chamber. Generally more common for commercial use but would be a heck of a home grinder. AJ
Perfect timing as I’ve just started researching for a new one! Upgrading from a Krups flat burr grinder, which is okay for the price ($50). Looking at the 270WI or Vario… any thoughts?
Both good choices. Personally, I'd go with the Sette 270Wi if you're doing mostly espresso and/or single-dosing, and the Vario if you'll be frequently switching between brew methods. Sette will grind faster and you get the weight-based dosing, but Vario will generally perform better at the course end of the spectrum for pour over or french press. AJ
I have used a 270wi for at least 4 years and bought a second one for my grand daughter. I like the quality and the weight measure is much better than a timer, which has to be re-calibrated every time beans are changed. The 270wi does sometimes need adjusting when beans or grind is changed, but just a couple of clicks on grind are usually needed. The company is very good at user support, and my grand daughter and I both love our grinders. Performance and quality is much more important than a little noise.
Hi AB, The Magnifico has upgraded "Diamond Inside" burrs. It's a treatment which keeps burrs sharper longer. The Specialita uses standard steel burrs. Other than that the grinders are nearly identical.
The Facile is strictly manual while the Silenzio adds timed grinding and chrome accents. Here's a video comparing the full Eureka Mignon lineup: th-cam.com/video/wfhaD9OPqd8/w-d-xo.html AJ
Hi Winter, Thanks for the request! Will see if we can squeeze that into our plans. In the meantime for non-espresso grinding the Baratza Virtuoso + checks all the right boxes! Widest grind size range of any Baratza grinder at 200-1400 microns. Goes a lot coarser than their espresso focused grinders which max out at 950-1150 microns. It has a timer function so you can easily repeat dose amounts. Check it out here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder
@@Wholelattelovepage heh, after watching this one I've decided I'd much rather invest hard once. I hope to one day talk my wife into getting a proper espresso machine, but in the event not... You've seduced me with the promise of longevity and quality of Ceado and Eureka. And I have been using medium for French press (not sure why, but tastes way better to me. One way or another, I'm pretty damn sure I'm gonna be buying through you. I keep coming back to your site.
Have you guys been having issues with the pro 700 paired up with the E37s? No matter how much I try I get channeling and the dispersion screw seems like it spews water everywhere when shower screen is off.. Also shots never start evenly always starts from one side and most of the time when shot is pulled the coffee does not come out of the hole shower screen mostly from center and I get dry spots near the edges.. I bought this form you gusy and was wondering if you guys been having the same issue? I use very good beans form a roster in portland.
I also have the e37s. It's a problem with the flat shoot where the coffee comes out. It causes an uneven mohawk extraction. The fix I had is adding a silicon mod on the end which distributes the coffee better. I also asked Ceado in Italy about the issue but they currently have no solution. It would be good if they released a snout like in the e37t.
@@matthewaitken124 I would have never thought it'd maybe be the problem with the shoot... Maybe dosing into a cup then flipping it into the portafilter? How exactly did you do it mod? Or any way I can look up this mod?
@@matthewaitken124 wow I'm so shocked I grinder my coffee into a dosing cup and then put it into the portafilter and omg night and day difference I got a beautiful perfect tiger stripe shot looked like honey! Thank you very much!
@@400080vikkash dosing cup also sounds like a good idea! I just bought a small black silicon funnel off amazon and cable tied it to the shoot through the two holes after a bit of cutting and modding. It gets rid of the mohawk extraction as it distributes through the round silicon end.
I understand that being a “home barista” isn’t exactly a cheep hobby, but we really need some more inexpensive options. I get good quality grind is important, but in the end it’s a coffee grinder and not everyone has that kind of money to spend.
HI Frankie, Thanks for the comment. Understand not everyone can go to a more expensive option. A grinder like the Capresso Infinity is ~$100 US: www.wholelattelove.com/products/capresso-infinity-plus-conical-burr-coffee-grinder-in-black It can grind to espresso size. One problem with grinders in that price range is they do not have the precise control of grind size needed to make top notch espresso. You can get around that by changing the dose weight to compensate. A step up at ~$200 is the Breville Smart Grinder Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/breville-bcg820bss-smart-grinder-pro It's also challenged in the precision dept. but is at least a little easier to use with the ability to grind straight into a portafilter.
A lot of people have a specific trouble with E37S (including myself): lots of chanelling during extraction... even with WDT etc... Do you face the same problem?
Hi Gabriel, I have not had that problem. I use the E37S all the time, even for bottomless shots which often highlight channelling, and never see an issue with the extraction or puck afterwards. What are you using for puck prep - WDT, leveler, tamper? AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Please make us a video. The issue is there and can be explained. This is a design flaw which with a little bit of research can be solved by Ceado. I will be more than happy to be wrong here after paying that price tag, but I'm skeptical.
Hi BK, Good question! The big hoppers come from commercial use where a lot more coffee is used in a day. Personally I don't put more beans in a hopper than I'd use in a day or two. For long term storage I prefer to use the beans original bag and do the best to seal out any air.
@@Wholelattelovepage I do single dose - and in so doing I always have the freshest beans. I just purge old grings first thing eaxh morning by drinding about 8 grams of fresh beans.
I'm looking to upgrade from the Baratza Sette 30. Its to loud and I have static issues, even if I spray with water, plus I need more micro adjustments to get what I want. I going to buy the Ceado E5pro, hopefully it will be a better upgrade.
Agreed, the E37S is an incredible grinder. It's a perfect middle ground between the E5P/E5Pro and E37S. Fair point about the dosing funnel. Luckily it's distribution is clean enough that you usually wouldn't need one. AJ
For home barista it’s better than any of the ones reviewed. There are endless discussions on flat vs conic burrs of course, but low retention and repeatability of adjustment leave all the competition in the dust for home use.
Single dosing certainly isn't for everyone, but the Niche is really popular if that's your thing. It's true that we don't sell it, however we do have the Eureka Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose (should be available for purchase very soon) and think it's going to give the Niche a serious run for its money. Flat 65mm diamond inside burrs, solid, heavy-duty construction, quiet, fast, bellows attachment, etc. Expect a review video on that grinder at some point. AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I think part of what makes the Niche so popular is the design/asthetics, not just performance. Another excellent grinder (I think) will be the new Baratza Vario+. Do you guys have any info on that one?
We plan to carry the Vario+ but won't have them in until at least January. I don't have any info other than what's on Baratza's site: baratza.com/grinder/vario-plus/ AJ
Hello AJ, firstly, I love watching WLL videos. What would you buy if you had like 1000$ for a grinder? I was about to buy Eureka Mignon Specialita but then i saw Ceado E37J and now I'm not sure :D thanks
Thanks! Good question. Both high quality grinders and they each have their benefits. I feel like the Specialita's grind adjustment allows for slightly more precise adjustments, and the grinder is more compact. On the other hand, the E37J is build like a tank, has larger burrs, and will grind a little faster. I don't think theirs a wrong answer here. For me personally, I'd probably go with the Specialita because my counter space is limited at home. AJ
I agree that is useful info, but it's very difficult to test. You could put 17.5g in, get 17.5g out, and that doesn't necessarily mean zero retention - some of those grounds could be left over and pushed out from the previous grind cycle. Another test we've done in the past is to disassemble and clean the grinder's internals, then measure input and output, and calculate the difference to determine how much stayed inside. This test isn't perfect either, since most of those grounds will fill the nooks and crannies inside the grinder and stay there, while subsequent grinds won't have that issue because those spaces are already full. I'm definitely open to suggestions for tests to best measure retention. AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I'm not sure the best way to test. It's just that I have a Eureka speciality 75 and the only thing Id want to improve on would be the retention. Cheers for the video
The Ceado e37s has a major distribution flow. Also noticed that although they advertise speed of 5 gr per second, for most it will be much slower. The Atom Speciality 75 advertised with same speed, but grinds much much faster. Can you in WLL show us a video (uncut) with full flow how you grind directly into a 18/21 basket (with a bottomless handles) and extract it? On any grind settings you will get a flow only from the center vertical area of the basket. The sides will remain underextracted. Saw already several people who experiencing the same issue. The best way to get around the issue is to grind into dosing cup and give it a good shake and use it. Only then you can get an even extraction. I am disappointed.
Hi Itzik, I personally measured grind speed on the E37S for this video, which you can see at 10:47 in the video. My average speed was 5.2g/s. As for the second part of your comment - you can see the grounds distribution several times in the video such as 9:11 and 9:44. Yes, it does mount up a little in the center, as you would expect. Normal puck preparation helps better prepare this for even extraction, as is the case with any grinder. Whether that's using a distributor, leveler, wdt tool, or simply tapping the portafilter on the counter to "flatten" the mound a bit before tamping, this is part of a regular espresso workflow. AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your response. Don't get me wrong, the grind looks very good and fluffy, actually it looks better than most grinders out there. The distribution problem I'm talking about, which is not visible (for the naked eye at least), but only when you try to distribute and tamp - the extraction starts from the vertical center with the left and right edges blocked resulting an over extracted area, and underextracted edges. I was tried every distribution method with consistently bad results. I also saw that I'm not the only one which experiencing exactly the same issue (and I mean *exactly*). It looks like the coffee flows out while the coarser particles are in the center, and all fine ones are on the sides - it looks that something with design of the declumper or the rounded chute hole causes this "consistent" distribution, which is very hard to fix using any distribution technique. The best way to see it clearly, is to ground directly to the portafilter, distribute using a leveler or other method, tamp, and preinfuse. The preinfusion shows only on the vertical center in a very very distinctive way. I'll be more than happy to see a video that shoes I'm wrong here, but the fact that using other grinders (which are not at the same league - at least that what I thought) I can easily deliver perfectly even extraction, says that there is an issues here.
Here's an uncut video of my workflow with the E37S. Sometimes I'll use a distributor, but here I just did WDT and tamped. Maybe a slight donut, but I'm not seeing the issue you're describing. If anything, I would say the sides fill in first before the vertical center. th-cam.com/video/nt27krk6Ju0/w-d-xo.html
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks! I really upreciate your effort on making this video. Your extraction looks good, I guess that proper technique from side will improve things, but it means that this grinder, with its amazing fluffy grinding, requires you to do these extra actions, without these you will have a distribution issues. It somewhat misses the point for this grinder in my opinion. I would expect that this fluffy grinding will make your life easier.... can you make another video using different distribution technique like leveler? I'm curious to see if it can work. Thank!
Hi GM, In the US Sage is the Breville brand. We do carry the Breville Smart Grinder: www.wholelattelove.com/products/breville-bcg820bss-smart-grinder-pro It's an appliance grade grinder which does not compete in build quality with or favorites in this video.
I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping to find a grinder for real espresso - you know the one you make on top of a burner (preferably flame). Those funny little scoop and machine inserts just don't cut it for my morning 'pot' of espresso. Is there a reliable super fine grinder that just fills up a large container from whence I may scoop my desired 'dose'?
Hi Tim, sounds like you're talking about a moka pot. Certainly a popular brewing method, but not exactly "real espresso." Any of the grinders in this video would be more than sufficient for moka pot brewing. AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Well I've sampled lots of machine espressos from many coffee shops and at best do not notice a difference to my coffee and usually it is not any where near as tasty and more importantly as potent. With those grinders, is it necessary to use the levers the 'filter' rests on or can that be dispensed with? I wish to be able to grind more at a time than my current hand held.
Hi John, we test a lot of products across all categories, and choose to carry the ones we believe in. The ones we sell are the ones we have the most experience with, knowledge about, and can speak to their long-term reliability. There are some grinders that we are unable to carry since they are only available directly from the manufacturer (i.e. Niche), but we still have one of the largest selections of machines and grinders in North America, and we stand behind those products. AJ
Correct, we do not carry the Niche. I know it's quite popular and seems like a good grinder for single-dosing. We do, however, have a test unit of the new Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose and have been very impressed with it! AJ
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I had a Baratza Sette 270 (not the wi model) but this grinder, after about 1 year got so loud you literally had to wear ear protection. So I now have a Eureka Mignon Silenzio and although slightly slower than the Sette, the quiet operation is just wonderful. And its a great grinder at that. Very happy.
Happy to hear you settled on a product that works best for you. The Sette has a lot of good things going for it, but the noise is not one of them.
AJ
I have a Sette 270, and it's loud, but you definitely don't need hearing protection. It's a grinder, not a jet engine.
@@Vortex1988 Pretty sure they didn't literally mean literally lol. Some how literally became metaphorically at some point for some generations lol.
I'm addicted to these videos. They're fun and full of great information. I've changed my mind 3 times on which grinder to purchase but after the sound test on this one I'm pretty set on a Eureka Mignion or salenzio version. Thank you!
Hi Blake, you're welcome and thanks a whole latte for the comment - sounds like you may need some EA (Espresso Anonymous). 😉
The higher the noise, the better for me as it helps me wake up along my coffee 😂
Haha that's a great way to look at it!
AJ
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And your neighbors 😏
There is so much to like about the Sette but over 2 years I had to return it for repair too many times. Baratza bumped me up to a refurbished Vario an I haven’t looked back. The baratza company is a pleasure to deal with BTW
Glad you landed on a grinder you're happy with! Baratza's customer service is very, very good.
AJ
I went from a Macap m2m to the sette 270w.. just fantastic, zero regrets. Can be messy if it overflows, but just use the supplied container and a retention ring to dose.. perfect!
Thanks for sharing your experience! Your solution for controlling mess seems like it's working, but another option is to lightly mist and stir your beans in the hopper before grinding. This will reduce static and keep things a little neater.
AJ
I purchased an E37s a couple of years ago. Worth every damn penny!
Hey edgar, Thanks for the report. I totally agree. The E37S is my goto for machine testing. Big burrs make a difference! Also excellent weight consistency on timed doses and beautiful distribution of fluffy clump free grind into portafilter.
Marc
I had the Baratza Sette 270 and now switched to the Ceado E37S with SSP High Uniformity Burrs - great to see that my overall grinder choice has been and is still good! :-)
That's a solid upgrade, especially with the SSP burrs! That setup should last you a LONG time.
AJ
Don't think u could go any higher on the grinder, that e37s is epic
Any thoughts a year on? I have the 270 and looking to upgrade to either this or the EK37s. The Ceado 37s is a little bit cheaper though.
I was puzzled and surprised that the Facile was quieter-until I remembered that it was only grinding at about 1/5th the volume. Yes, I’m biased. I love my Ceado E37SD. 😄
Haha good point. It's pretty wild how quiet the E37S and E37SD are when you think about how much power is behind those burrs.
AJ
Thanks, great overview. A taste comparison would have finished it off nicely.
Thanks and good suggestion!
AJ
Great Video, I have the Facile ( bought at WLL) and it is very quite and the grinds are very good, only problem I have is I have a 54 mm breville portafilter witch doesn't work well when trying to grind to it so I use a dosing cup
Thanks for sharing and for your support! The Facile is a great bang-for-your-buck grinder. Using the dosing cup is a good workaround if you have a smaller portafilter.
AJ
QUESTION: Can Eureka Mignon Facile grind for pour over? I currently have a Baratza Encore and I want to gift it and get an all purpose grinder. I've heard Sette is very loud. So, would facile grind for pour over? Thanks!
Hi Daniel, yes, the Facile can grind for pour over and the Sette is louder than most.
Marc
We've had the Facile for almost a year now and it's not skipped a beat. We're part of that geeky single dose movement and my other hobby is 3D printing design. I can confirm that the Facile makes a great single dosing grinder. Of course it's nothing like a top of the line Ceado but for our needs it works perfectly at the moment. We tossed the bulk hoppers (figuratively) because we switch beans all the time and so we weigh shots into a dosing cup, WDT it and feed it into a single dosing hopper that has a bellows lid. The Facile outputs back out to the dosing cup and I find the variance to be +/- 0.1g. The process is a little longer but it fits right in with our nerd lifestyle. However there may be something with 65mm burrs later in the year just because.
Hi Paul, Thanks for sharing your impression of the Facile and your hack! Do keep an eye on your burrs. Long term use of RDT (wetting the beans prior to grinding) can cause corrosion of steal burrs - especially in higher humidity environments. Pupose built single dosing grinders like those from Ceado use burrs treated with anti-oxidant coatings to prevent corrosion.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the response AJ, I completely agree about keeping a close eye on the burrs. It's part of the whole unreasonably obsessive thing, I've usually got the tops of the grinders off about once a week and maybe it's because the tiny amount of water used via a spritzing bottle and the oils in the beans but I've not seen any corrosion after almost a year. One of the benefits it seems of using a bellows in a single dosing solution is how clean it keeps the internals. There's virtually no build up in the grind chamber in fact the only place that grinds seem to collect is the anti-clumper and I suspect that is down to the inevitable fines losing velocity and sticking to the throat just before everything gets ejected.
I've just ordered a Bezzera BZ13 DE from you guys and once we get to grips with it then the Ceado starts to get obsessed about. We're down the rabbit hole now and there's no getting out.
Here, in Europe, the eureka magnifica is called the silencio specialita, I bought that one, and I am really happy with how it works.
Interesting, here the Magnifico, Silenzio, and Specialita are all different models in the Eureka Mignon lineup. Glad you're enjoying yours!
AJ
Not true for sweden, here it's called Eureka Mignon Silenzio if it's that certain model. Very high ranked, I want one!
Thank you so much for except professional video! Please. I need an advice. I found a grinder for my skills and level - so I drink only espresso based drinks. So I put my eye on Eureka Mignon Facila. I see on your website now there is a good price. Should I buy this grinder? I was thinking about Baratza Encore ESP. But i think Facila is better. I have Rancilio Silvia V1 😂😂😂 but it works. Now I grind on Comandante hand grinder. I think electric grinder is better. Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
And also Mignon Notte - they are similar? Or Falica is better? Thank you!
Hey alex, you are welcome. If doing espresso only I'd go with the Mignon Facile over the Encore ESP. With stepless grind size adjustment it's more precise for dialing in espresso grind size. Also uses flat burrs which are preferred for espresso and has a more robust build quality.
The biggest shift of late in home espresso world was a move to single-dose, low retention grinders. Yet, all your “best” grinders have hoppers and AFAIK only Sette is low retention, when for home barista this is much more important than niceness of portafilter holder or clickiness of grind button.
For me personally single dosing got tiresome very fast, especially if you have friends around and making multiple drinks, each time weighing the dose slows down the pace drastically, i started apreciating eurekas timer, once you dial in, its very accurate and workflow gets smoother aswell.
@@audriusa7005 yeah and I bet I don’t have the sette but I think the weighing would be amazing
It all comes down to how your process is built. The weighing itself takes just couple of seconds, and if you do it while the previous dose is still grinding - time difference is really minimal.
@@pfa231 i see your point and i guess my process isnt ideal for that, especially since i grind straight in to bottomless portafilter and it doesnt hold itself on eureka, i could grind in to seperate cup but its simpler to just go with timer, i really wanted nieche but i ve been single dosing for half a year and i have second thoughts if i want a single doser
Good discussion. Yes, single-dosing has been more popular lately in the home espresso community, though I believe the perceived interest versus actual use is a bit inflated. It's easy to see forums like Home Barista or Reddit as an accurate sample size of the home espresso population, however a vast majority of our customers don't single dose. These forums are super useful and a great place for information and discussion, but it's often only the top 5% of people who have fallen the deepest down the rabbit hole. Nothing wrong with that by any means, but we try to cater to everyone. That said, we are probably overdue for a new video on single-dosing since there is a lot to be said on the topic, both pros and cons.
AJ
Hi! Great video! I want to buy the Facile, can anyone confirm if the shipping weight is in fact 12.34lbs please?? Thanks!
Yes, it is
Thank E37S is the way to go. I just wish they made one for tiny kitchens in a smaller footprint with the same features! They would sell like hot cakes!
Hey B, Thanks for the comment. E37S is a beast! excellent grind quality, b ulti to last for decades and fabulous distribution in to PF. If looking for a large burr grinder in smaller package maybe check out thenew Eureka Oro XL w/65mm burrs. Not quite the bulletproof uild of the Ceado but excellent: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-oro-mignon-xl-espresso-grinder-black
Do you know if Baratza solved the technical issues with the Sette gears wearing out? I like the grinder but contemplating sending it back and getting something different unless the replacement part is somehow better. Cheers!
Hi Tom, Not aware of any changes with the gears.
How does the Eureka Mignon Facile compared to the Urbanic 80s?
Thanks for sharing. Very useful information.
I would have appreciate to have a Lelit (may be PL72) instead of 2 Eureka grinders in this presentation.
And also the ease of cleaning for each because it's a recurring operation.
What would you guys say about the Eureka Mignon XL in comparison to the two Ceado models tastewise and in regards to grind retention? I currently own an old Eureka Mignon MCI and am looking to upgrade to a grinder with larger burrs. However, I switch between coffees often practice single dose grinding. Given that noise and grind speed are no factors I care about, what would you recommend to go for? A Mignon XL, wait for the Eureka Single Dose or would you recommend any of the Ceado grinders over the two models aforementioned?
Hi Tim, I personally think the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose is going to be a game changer. If you're considering the XL but do a lot of single-dosing, it'll likely be a perfect fit. Same 65mm diamond inside burrs and same motor as the XL. We've been playing with a demo unit for a couple months and should have them in stock very soon.
www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-oro-mignon-single-dose-grinder-white
Another option if you don't want to wait is the Ceado E5SD. It's a bit pricier, but build quality and performance are excellent. We're actually going to be using it in a video we're shooting tomorrow on our favorite coffees of the year. www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder
AJ
Thanks for the answer! Looking forward to a review of the Eureka Oro Single Dose once you have them in stock! But that one is definitely my first choice.
What do you think about the e37j? Is it similar quality to the e37s but a smaller cost?
Hi AS, Yes, it is similar in build quality but with smaller burrs and doesn't have the quick set grind size adjustment.
The name is pretty cool, I'd say...whole latte love
Thanks!
AJ
I love my sette grind,but the electrostatic effect is infuriating. You could even see it in the video early on. Having to always add some drops of water kills many of the advantages of the machine. Any tips or solutions are very welcome.
Hey Kenny, as you mentioned, RDT (a couple sprays or drops of water stirred in) is probably the best way to control the static, especially if you're in a cold/dry place during winter months. Single-dosing may make this process a little easier, and luckily the Sette is very good at this. A humidifier in the room may also help, but that's not very practical.
AJ
I have looked at both the E37S and E37 SD from Ceado, and I am trying to figure out what commands a $700 premium on the single dosing model. It looks to come with some extra tools, but also removes a lot of the valuable features of the E37S. They both have 83mm burrs, but are they of different quality? I normally weigh before and after grinding, but wouldn’t mind dropping that from my routine if the dosing is as accurate on the E37S as you report here.
As you mentioned, a few extra parts and tools - bellows, rubber chute cover, RDT sprayer, WDT cup, dosing funnel. The biggest improvement though is the burrs. While both 83mm, the E37SD has titanium coated burrs. This is good for durability and longevity, but also rust prevention as many people who single-dose spray their beans with a little water beforehand.
AJ
There are so many great options available and your videos have helped me find them! Thank you a-late!
I'm looking for a burr grinder that can grind between french press to espresso and I've been weighing out options. I'm thinking the Eureka Perfetto is a great option yet I'm curious - is it hard to dial in the perfect size when switching back and forth? Something with preset grind size options would be cool but I don't think that exists, at least not for less than $1,000. What are your thoughts? I'm new to these things but I'm very excited to get into it. I have a Rancilio Silvia V2 and a french press so far. I'd just rather have one grinder rather than two. 😃
Hi Tyler, it's clear you've done your research! You're right that the Eureka Mignon Perfetto is a great all-purpose grinder. Because it contains the full grind size range in one rotation of the adjustment dial, it's quick to switch between methods. But, because the adjustment is so course, you won't have as precise control as some other Eureka models. This is especially important in the espresso range where small variation in size can have a significant impact.
If you're concerned about hitting the exact same spot while regularly switching back and forth, you may look into something like the Baratza Vario, which has 220 stepped grind settings via a macro and micro adjustment dial, making it easy to get the same size when going back and forth. And, well under $1,000!
www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-vario-grinder-in-black
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage That's phenomenal!! Thank you so much for the info.Your guys' prices are also highly competitive! Thank you again and much love from Alberta. ❤️
Do you have any information on the eureka mignon turbo? I heard it's compact, touch screen with 65mm burrs. Do you sell this?
We don't currently carry it but it's likely we will in the future. Here's more info on the grinder from Eureka's site: www.eureka.co.it/en/catalogo/prodotti/macinacaff%c3%a8+on+demand/1/76.aspx
AJ
Make sure that if you buy a Eureka, chose the Silencio version for quiet.
I have had a Silenzio for a year now paired with my Gaggia CP. It's amazing! Add a single dose hopper and it's perfect to go between grind sizes, or caff to decaf, on demand. And it really is zero retention with a bellows added on.
@@WpgGoalie40 do you have problem with light roasted beans for espresso while using silenzio?
@@darkim1777 I actually haven't tried light roasts. Mediums are totally fine though.
The Silenzio is a great choice and made our "top 5 espresso grinders under $500" list last year! th-cam.com/video/BuCcnPil0AI/w-d-xo.html
AJ
Creado E5 Pro is currently $100 more then Eureka silenzio. Will it be worth to swallow the difference? I’d like a quiet machine, lower retention grinder that has room for a dosing funnel. Thank you!
Both are great options and depend on your feature preferences. E5Pro will have larger burrs and hopper. Silenzio will be smaller, slightly quieter, and give you the option for timed grinding. I personally have a Silenzio at home because my counter space is limited and I fond it to be a great compromise between size and performance.
If you're single dosing, I'd recommend checking out the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose Grinder. Here's a review video I made on it: th-cam.com/video/dLvJVQzmqNo/w-d-xo.html
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage This is great! Thank you so much, AJ!
What do you think of the Ceado E37T?
I don't personally have much experience with it, but on paper it's a pretty big step up from the E37S - same size burrs but the T's have a titanium coating for added durability. Also a more powerful motor and fan for temperature control in the grinding chamber. Generally more common for commercial use but would be a heck of a home grinder.
AJ
Perfect timing as I’ve just started researching for a new one! Upgrading from a Krups flat burr grinder, which is okay for the price ($50). Looking at the 270WI or Vario… any thoughts?
Both good choices. Personally, I'd go with the Sette 270Wi if you're doing mostly espresso and/or single-dosing, and the Vario if you'll be frequently switching between brew methods. Sette will grind faster and you get the weight-based dosing, but Vario will generally perform better at the course end of the spectrum for pour over or french press.
AJ
I have used a 270wi for at least 4 years and bought a second one for my grand daughter. I like the quality and the weight measure is much better than a timer, which has to be re-calibrated every time beans are changed. The 270wi does sometimes need adjusting when beans or grind is changed, but just a couple of clicks on grind are usually needed. The company is very good at user support, and my grand daughter and I both love our grinders. Performance and quality is much more important than a little noise.
Whats the diff between magnifico and specialita?
Hi AB, The Magnifico has upgraded "Diamond Inside" burrs. It's a treatment which keeps burrs sharper longer. The Specialita uses standard steel burrs. Other than that the grinders are nearly identical.
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks
What the difference between silenzio and facile?
The Facile is strictly manual while the Silenzio adds timed grinding and chrome accents. Here's a video comparing the full Eureka Mignon lineup: th-cam.com/video/wfhaD9OPqd8/w-d-xo.html
AJ
Have the Sette 270 very good. Yes, it's noisy but very adjustable for grinds. Pricey but worth it.
Glad to hear! The noise is a turn-off for some people but the performance and grind quality is incredible.
AJ
Can you do a top 5 for pour over/drip/ French press? (Basically not specifically meant for espresso)
Hi Winter, Thanks for the request! Will see if we can squeeze that into our plans. In the meantime for non-espresso grinding the Baratza Virtuoso + checks all the right boxes! Widest grind size range of any Baratza grinder at 200-1400 microns. Goes a lot coarser than their espresso focused grinders which max out at 950-1150 microns. It has a timer function so you can easily repeat dose amounts. Check it out here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder
@@Wholelattelovepage heh, after watching this one I've decided I'd much rather invest hard once. I hope to one day talk my wife into getting a proper espresso machine, but in the event not... You've seduced me with the promise of longevity and quality of Ceado and Eureka. And I have been using medium for French press (not sure why, but tastes way better to me. One way or another, I'm pretty damn sure I'm gonna be buying through you. I keep coming back to your site.
Have you guys been having issues with the pro 700 paired up with the E37s? No matter how much I try I get channeling and the dispersion screw seems like it spews water everywhere when shower screen is off.. Also shots never start evenly always starts from one side and most of the time when shot is pulled the coffee does not come out of the hole shower screen mostly from center and I get dry spots near the edges.. I bought this form you gusy and was wondering if you guys been having the same issue? I use very good beans form a roster in portland.
I also have the e37s. It's a problem with the flat shoot where the coffee comes out. It causes an uneven mohawk extraction. The fix I had is adding a silicon mod on the end which distributes the coffee better. I also asked Ceado in Italy about the issue but they currently have no solution. It would be good if they released a snout like in the e37t.
@@matthewaitken124 I would have never thought it'd maybe be the problem with the shoot... Maybe dosing into a cup then flipping it into the portafilter? How exactly did you do it mod? Or any way I can look up this mod?
@@matthewaitken124 wow I'm so shocked I grinder my coffee into a dosing cup and then put it into the portafilter and omg night and day difference I got a beautiful perfect tiger stripe shot looked like honey! Thank you very much!
@@400080vikkash dosing cup also sounds like a good idea! I just bought a small black silicon funnel off amazon and cable tied it to the shoot through the two holes after a bit of cutting and modding. It gets rid of the mohawk extraction as it distributes through the round silicon end.
Hey Vik, I haven't experienced this but it's great that the dosing cup solved your issue. Thanks for the help, @Matthew Aitken!
AJ
I love the e37s. Had it for a year . Perfect
Is the exit chute on yours leaning to the left too?
Great to hear!
AJ
I understand that being a “home barista” isn’t exactly a cheep hobby, but we really need some more inexpensive options. I get good quality grind is important, but in the end it’s a coffee grinder and not everyone has that kind of money to spend.
HI Frankie, Thanks for the comment. Understand not everyone can go to a more expensive option. A grinder like the Capresso Infinity is ~$100 US: www.wholelattelove.com/products/capresso-infinity-plus-conical-burr-coffee-grinder-in-black It can grind to espresso size. One problem with grinders in that price range is they do not have the precise control of grind size needed to make top notch espresso. You can get around that by changing the dose weight to compensate. A step up at ~$200 is the Breville Smart Grinder Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/breville-bcg820bss-smart-grinder-pro It's also challenged in the precision dept. but is at least a little easier to use with the ability to grind straight into a portafilter.
Try french press
A lot of people have a specific trouble with E37S (including myself): lots of chanelling during extraction... even with WDT etc...
Do you face the same problem?
Hi Gabriel, I have not had that problem. I use the E37S all the time, even for bottomless shots which often highlight channelling, and never see an issue with the extraction or puck afterwards. What are you using for puck prep - WDT, leveler, tamper?
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Please make us a video. The issue is there and can be explained. This is a design flaw which with a little bit of research can be solved by Ceado. I will be more than happy to be wrong here after paying that price tag, but I'm skeptical.
If coffee should be stored in an air tight container in a cool, dark place, why the big hoppers on the grinders?
Hi BK, Good question! The big hoppers come from commercial use where a lot more coffee is used in a day. Personally I don't put more beans in a hopper than I'd use in a day or two. For long term storage I prefer to use the beans original bag and do the best to seal out any air.
@@Wholelattelovepage I do single dose - and in so doing I always have the freshest beans. I just purge old grings first thing eaxh morning by drinding about 8 grams of fresh beans.
I'm looking to upgrade from the Baratza Sette 30. Its to loud and I have static issues, even if I spray with water, plus I need more micro adjustments to get what I want. I going to buy the Ceado E5pro, hopefully it will be a better upgrade.
Great choice! The E5Pro should be a pretty big step up from the Sette 30.
AJ
@Message me on telegram what do i do ?
I swear you guys have direct access to my cerebral cortex, it's spooky!
All the coffee is syncing up our brainwaves.
AJ
I have the E37J, the only issue I have with the design is the inability to use a dosing funnel.
for that price its wildly overlooked.
Agreed, the E37S is an incredible grinder. It's a perfect middle ground between the E5P/E5Pro and E37S. Fair point about the dosing funnel. Luckily it's distribution is clean enough that you usually wouldn't need one.
AJ
why do you not have Eureka Mignon XL with 65mm burrs? This is the 2021 Eureka not these old models
Not sure if we had it in stock at the time of filming this video. Perhaps it'll make next year's list - it is a great grinder.
AJ
What about the Niche Zero?
They don't sell that one
For home barista it’s better than any of the ones reviewed. There are endless discussions on flat vs conic burrs of course, but low retention and repeatability of adjustment leave all the competition in the dust for home use.
Single dosing certainly isn't for everyone, but the Niche is really popular if that's your thing. It's true that we don't sell it, however we do have the Eureka Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose (should be available for purchase very soon) and think it's going to give the Niche a serious run for its money. Flat 65mm diamond inside burrs, solid, heavy-duty construction, quiet, fast, bellows attachment, etc. Expect a review video on that grinder at some point.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I think part of what makes the Niche so popular is the design/asthetics, not just performance. Another excellent grinder (I think) will be the new Baratza Vario+. Do you guys have any info on that one?
We plan to carry the Vario+ but won't have them in until at least January. I don't have any info other than what's on Baratza's site: baratza.com/grinder/vario-plus/
AJ
Hello AJ, firstly, I love watching WLL videos. What would you buy if you had like 1000$ for a grinder? I was about to buy Eureka Mignon Specialita but then i saw Ceado E37J and now I'm not sure :D thanks
Thanks! Good question. Both high quality grinders and they each have their benefits. I feel like the Specialita's grind adjustment allows for slightly more precise adjustments, and the grinder is more compact. On the other hand, the E37J is build like a tank, has larger burrs, and will grind a little faster. I don't think theirs a wrong answer here. For me personally, I'd probably go with the Specialita because my counter space is limited at home.
AJ
Sette 270 or Eureka Facile?
Both good options, but I personally prefer the Facile.
AJ
Does E37S have a brushless motor?
I'm not sure. I couldn't find solid info anywhere, so it's probably safer to assume it is not brushless.
AJ
Would have been nice to include the retention on each grinder
I agree that is useful info, but it's very difficult to test. You could put 17.5g in, get 17.5g out, and that doesn't necessarily mean zero retention - some of those grounds could be left over and pushed out from the previous grind cycle. Another test we've done in the past is to disassemble and clean the grinder's internals, then measure input and output, and calculate the difference to determine how much stayed inside. This test isn't perfect either, since most of those grounds will fill the nooks and crannies inside the grinder and stay there, while subsequent grinds won't have that issue because those spaces are already full. I'm definitely open to suggestions for tests to best measure retention.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage I'm not sure the best way to test. It's just that I have a Eureka speciality 75 and the only thing Id want to improve on would be the retention. Cheers for the video
The Ceado e37s has a major distribution flow. Also noticed that although they advertise speed of 5 gr per second, for most it will be much slower. The Atom Speciality 75 advertised with same speed, but grinds much much faster.
Can you in WLL show us a video (uncut) with full flow how you grind directly into a 18/21 basket (with a bottomless handles) and extract it? On any grind settings you will get a flow only from the center vertical area of the basket. The sides will remain underextracted. Saw already several people who experiencing the same issue.
The best way to get around the issue is to grind into dosing cup and give it a good shake and use it. Only then you can get an even extraction. I am disappointed.
Hi Itzik, I personally measured grind speed on the E37S for this video, which you can see at 10:47 in the video. My average speed was 5.2g/s.
As for the second part of your comment - you can see the grounds distribution several times in the video such as 9:11 and 9:44. Yes, it does mount up a little in the center, as you would expect. Normal puck preparation helps better prepare this for even extraction, as is the case with any grinder. Whether that's using a distributor, leveler, wdt tool, or simply tapping the portafilter on the counter to "flatten" the mound a bit before tamping, this is part of a regular espresso workflow.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your response. Don't get me wrong, the grind looks very good and fluffy, actually it looks better than most grinders out there. The distribution problem I'm talking about, which is not visible (for the naked eye at least), but only when you try to distribute and tamp - the extraction starts from the vertical center with the left and right edges blocked resulting an over extracted area, and underextracted edges. I was tried every distribution method with consistently bad results. I also saw that I'm not the only one which experiencing exactly the same issue (and I mean *exactly*).
It looks like the coffee flows out while the coarser particles are in the center, and all fine ones are on the sides - it looks that something with design of the declumper or the rounded chute hole causes this "consistent" distribution, which is very hard to fix using any distribution technique.
The best way to see it clearly, is to ground directly to the portafilter, distribute using a leveler or other method, tamp, and preinfuse. The preinfusion shows only on the vertical center in a very very distinctive way.
I'll be more than happy to see a video that shoes I'm wrong here, but the fact that using other grinders (which are not at the same league - at least that what I thought) I can easily deliver perfectly even extraction, says that there is an issues here.
Here's an uncut video of my workflow with the E37S. Sometimes I'll use a distributor, but here I just did WDT and tamped. Maybe a slight donut, but I'm not seeing the issue you're describing. If anything, I would say the sides fill in first before the vertical center.
th-cam.com/video/nt27krk6Ju0/w-d-xo.html
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks! I really upreciate your effort on making this video. Your extraction looks good, I guess that proper technique from side will improve things, but it means that this grinder, with its amazing fluffy grinding, requires you to do these extra actions, without these you will have a distribution issues. It somewhat misses the point for this grinder in my opinion. I would expect that this fluffy grinding will make your life easier.... can you make another video using different distribution technique like leveler? I'm curious to see if it can work. Thank!
Sad to see the sage grinder not on the list.
Hi GM, In the US Sage is the Breville brand. We do carry the Breville Smart Grinder: www.wholelattelove.com/products/breville-bcg820bss-smart-grinder-pro It's an appliance grade grinder which does not compete in build quality with or favorites in this video.
I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping to find a grinder for real espresso - you know the one you make on top of a burner (preferably flame). Those funny little scoop and machine inserts just don't cut it for my morning 'pot' of espresso. Is there a reliable super fine grinder that just fills up a large container from whence I may scoop my desired 'dose'?
Hi Tim, sounds like you're talking about a moka pot. Certainly a popular brewing method, but not exactly "real espresso." Any of the grinders in this video would be more than sufficient for moka pot brewing.
AJ
@@Wholelattelovepage Well I've sampled lots of machine espressos from many coffee shops and at best do not notice a difference to my coffee and usually it is not any where near as tasty and more importantly as potent. With those grinders, is it necessary to use the levers the 'filter' rests on or can that be dispensed with? I wish to be able to grind more at a time than my current hand held.
What about the ones that you don't sell?
Hi John, we test a lot of products across all categories, and choose to carry the ones we believe in. The ones we sell are the ones we have the most experience with, knowledge about, and can speak to their long-term reliability. There are some grinders that we are unable to carry since they are only available directly from the manufacturer (i.e. Niche), but we still have one of the largest selections of machines and grinders in North America, and we stand behind those products.
AJ
My top 5 grinder :
1. Mahlkonig
😂
1. Mahlkonig
2. Two Mahlkonigs: www.wholelattelove.com/products/mahlkonig-k-30-twin-espresso-grinder
@@Wholelattelovepage 😂👍
Mine too😂🤣
X54??? Why not?
We don't carry the X54, nor have I used one.
AJ
What about the mighty Niche grinder? Disappointed not to see it in your list.
And they sell the Niche?
Whole Latte Love only features and reviews products they sell on their store website. You can only buy a Niche directly from the manufacturer.
@@allansabado correct
Correct, we do not carry the Niche. I know it's quite popular and seems like a good grinder for single-dosing. We do, however, have a test unit of the new Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose and have been very impressed with it!
AJ
wow that Baratza Sette noise is horrendous
Yeah, it's an amazing grinder for the price, but the noise can be a turn-off.
AJ
Ceado looks like mahlkonig X54.
I can see the resemblance
AJ
Me loves me mocha chine
Somebody likes Led Zeppelin haha
All too big
The Eurekas are pretty small compared to most espresso grinders. If size is a huge issue, perhaps a manual grinder would be a better option.
AJ