I bought a single Paradigm tower speaker that someone was getting rid of for $25 and I find it works out way better than the JBL horizontal center channel speaker I was using, particularly when I watch older films that only have a 1.0 channel lossless track (which is probably half the time for my use). So much more defined and I find that vocals sit nicely in the mix rather than jumping forward. And it sits under my 51" plasma just fine. In my space it even leaves me room to go up to a 65" with ease. I flanked that with a pair of Mitsubishi SS7600 speakers that have insane imaging and a pair of Wharfedale Delta 5.3 speakers for my surrounds. The whole setup cost less than $150 and is my poor man's hi-fi surround sound and it's glorious! 😊
Been wanting to do this for years, and now I'm finally going to. Flanking your center tower with the audio equipment is exactly what I'll need to do. I have a projection screen, but will only need to increase its height by a few inches to clear the top of the speakers I'll get. Of course, my choices will be limited to towers on the short side. Thanks!
ran identical towers in my old 5.1 system, then added bookshelves as rear surround L and R mounted high on the wall. I'm trying a horizontal center speaker now with a 7.1.2 setup but mounting the TV high enough to clear a tower in case I decide to go back. L C R being identical really sounds amazing for dialogue and any main action sounds.
I have klipsch RP-280FA as my left and right and I am using another klipsch RP-280FA horizontal on stands as my center channel!!! It's a monster... sounds great!!
Alot of this depends on the arrangement of your speakers. Most people put the center channel too low. I've ways preferred mine above my tv angeled down to the listening position. Better dispersion and clarity imo.
Why not just use two dipole speakers? If your TV sits at eye level, then this could be a good option, if off axis conb filtering is an issue. Dipole speakers should eliminate comb filtering issues, as they direct the sound out to the sides, so you could face the centre most drivers directly towards the sweet spot, and the drivers towards the outside will direct the sound to the right and left axis. However, unless you have a very large viewing room, with your L&R front speakers spaced 10 feet apart or more, then this is not necessary, and overkill imho. With a tower speaker, or even a vertically mounted bookshelf speaker, you are going to restrict the centre channel to a very narrow area, so it may not sound very natural to anybody sitting off axis, and could sound boxy and contained. As somebody with many years of experimentation with speakers behind me, I use a conventional MTM centre speaker, and I have no issues with it at all. And I can simply widen the centre inage via DSP settings on my receiver if need be. There isnt much benefit in terms of BASS from a centre channel, so a full range speaker is not necessary. Even if you increase the bass to max level, via your Receiver DSP settings, all that this will achieve is very BOOMY dialogue, which is not what you want for a natural sounding home cinema setup.
I get what you are saying, but with dipole speakers it would mess with the front stage imaging. This isn't something you want if you are looking for an accurate soundstage for movies. I think you may have missed an important point when discussing using a vertically aligned speaker for the center. It doesn't narrow the horizontal dispersion, it actually improves it. It truly is a technical acoustical improvement over an MTM speaker in every way. They only downside is that an MTM center channel is easier to place under a screen due to the cabinet design. That is why everyone using an acoustically transparent projector screen uses 3 identical LCR speakers, including every movie theater. With all your experimentation and experience with speakers, I know you're aware that the center channel is the most used channel for movies and shows. So it would stand to reason for the center channel to be at least as capable as the L&R speakers if not even more capable. Using a center channel that is capable of outputting great bass won't make it boomy, it just makes it more capable of outputting the bass should the scene call for it. The only way it would become boomy is if it is eq'd with a big bump in the lower midrange and bass region. The most common crossover in most home theaters is 80hz, so your speakers should be capable AT LEAST down to 80hz if you intend to use that crossover. Now of course, it would be better if they are capable of frequencies down to about 50hz or so, because an 80hz crossover is not a brick wall, instead it just rolls off smoothly after 80hz. Having a more capable speaker will allow for this roll off, and help with integrating your speakers with your subs. If your center speaker is not capable of bass, at the very least till the crossover point, then your sound will be thin/anemic until the subs kick in at the crossover point. I hope this further helps explain my video...cheers.
I agree but unfortunately many setups have a screen height limitation so you need loud speakers that are shorter. Personally I prefer large loudspeakers with multiple woofers and mids. Unless you are able to spend $7-10k to buy very high end all loudspeakers or bookshelf speakers it is harder to get big sound. The way I look at it is that since I have everything optimized to my seating position, as long as nobody sits in my spot, I don't care because most others are not as picky with their sound when you have a quality dedicated theater anyways. Just found your channel, good stuff and love content from other Canadians
I like your vids and ideas, but as usual, I offer an alternative view (LOL). Like you, I have never liked the horizontally aligned center speakers. My answer is to use a "Phantom" center. That is, no physical center speaker. Some receivers call it "Phantom" but some like my current Denon simply let you choose "No Center speaker" and the receiver splits the center signal evenly to both left and right, similar to the center stage imaging of two channel stereo sound from the old days of yore (LOL). As long as you are near center, there's no issue, but as you go further off center the more you'll notice it, but it's not as bad as you might think. Plus there's no height issues like with a center speakers mounted below the screen. Of coarse the best answer (if you can afford it) is to have a center that matches the left and right fronts (as you suggest)
Yessir, I have tried the phantom center as well. I liked it, but I will say the tower center does anchor the sound to the screen better, but the phantom center is definitely a great option as well, you are right.
With proper imaging, you can point out the location of the source of the sound with just two speakers. That's called stereo :-). This means that, when in a normal viewing position, you have the speech in the middle of the screen. When in a movie theater, you might be sitting (very) off center. In that case you need a center speaker. Btw, I disconnected my center speaker and I had to keep reminding myself that it was disconnected, because I could hear the sound coming from the screen. Very surreal, but it makes sense, like stereo makes sense.
This is interesting. I have always wondered about the use of a phantom center, I would love to set a comparison of regular center, matching LCR and a phantom center to see how much alot a difference their is. I would think that in most instances if you are listening below reference a phantom may be the way to go. Thoughts on that?
My tv is on a stand, so I had a small tweeter as my center speaker. My front LR towers, the Klipsch r-610f's just sounded significantly better than that tweeter, and no timbre-matched center speaker out there will fit within the small space between my tv and the stand. Placing it above the tv is definitely not an option either because of Atmos. Simple and free solution was to just disable the center channel in the receiver's configuration and run a phantom center with the LR towers, and I just love it! Toeing in the towers toward the furthest listening position really helps anchor the center channel to the center too! With that solved flawlessly, I just have to get matching Klipsch bookshelf r-41m's to timbre-match the surrounds too.
I've been experimenting with a pair of decent older bookshelves myself (hooked in parallel to get 4 ohm loading my AVR prefers). It permits not only slight toe-out to increase the horizontal dispersion and permit you to focus either independently, but also allows you to set one back slightly to help with tuning dispersion errors. I can't say its better than a traditional horizontal center, but it is too early and I want to see what my DiracLive changes between the setups.
2 Klipsch fortes slightly elevated so the horns are at the center of the 65” plasma screen..no middle speaker although over the years have used 3 fortes with 2 PSB rears & a PSB sub..
Good review,I have a klipsch set up i had the r52 as my center it would sound muddy at higher volume the dialogue was never that clear so i switched with a spare klipsch speaker the r51 bookshelf and it sounds so much clearer now.
Glad to hear you got your dialogue cleared up. I would also suggest treating your room with acoustic panels, especially the back of the room. That is a great way to clean up dialogue even more...cheers.
I just replaced a TV, yesterday, that was mounted to my AV shelf system. The new one had a different VESA pattern so it wouldn't fit...had to buy a wall mount. Upside is I can get a bigger traditional timbre-matched center speaker or buy an additional RP-600Mii to use as a center. I currently have a R-34C because it was literally the only one that would fit on the shelf under the old TV. The Klipsch replaced the front 3 speakers of an old Polk satellite 5.1 system. I used the L/R as additional surrounds so now I have a 7.1 :)
I've had a few different 5.1s, to now a 10.1. I just ran the extra speaker in parallel. The 2 bk surrounds w the 2 side surrounds. 2 center channels in parallel. 2 front x2 in parallel w 1 sub. And it sounds amazing 👏. But Im upgrading to a real receiver now..I can't wait. All new speakers of different brands. JVC, Cerwin Vega, Bose, Pioneer. This time only 2 front speakers L-R..but awesome JVC. 4 Surronds back and sides. Big sub.. giving me a 7.1 this time.. But obviously a more exciting listening experience to go along w my viewing pleasure 🙏 ☺️
I wonder if it is because Anglophones struggle to make the sound "im" in t•"im"•bre as we hear it in French, so the pronunciation got transformed. Just look how "Tintin" is pronounced in French (original) vs. English and you will understand the struggle lol.
I always find if funny how people correct others on pronunciations. While you may be correct in how you pronouce timbre that doesn't mean people say it that way. I could spend 2 lifetimes demonstrating words people say differently. I mean the Americans barely pronouce any English word in the way the English do. So what? And form your reference, English people say timbre as Timber. The same as wood. The context of the conversation is enough to avoid confusion. Don't be such a bell end.
I don't mean to dog-pile with ILoveCookies X, but "lobe" rhymes with "strobe", not "cob". I like your approach. I've always felt the horizontal MTM arrangement was not sensible sonically, and only became popular because it fit neatly, especially with the bulky cathode-ray TVs in use when centre channels were introduced. Movie theatres solved the speaker placement problem by putting them directly behind the screen, which was porous enough to allow the sound through. Highs were more attenuated than mids and lows, but they fixed that with EQ. I like your sub - it looks like it means business! Thanks for the video.
I am Canadian what can I say, I pronounce words how they are spelled lol. I see now that lobing is spelled with 1 B and not 2, that makes more sense now. Tricky business this english language. Thanks for pointing that out. I like the sub too, but you should see the new one I got ;), it really means business. The PSA TV3612's will be sold and Funk Audio is moving in :). You can check out my new sub on this video if you want...but it is worth it. th-cam.com/video/DXdKVB1J6wg/w-d-xo.html
I've noticed a difference in audio from the center channel when listening from left and right of the sweet spot, however I don't think a vertically aligned center channel speaker will correct this. Unless for some reason it produces a wide soundstage. My reason being most left and right channel are toed in to achieve sweet spot
I'd like to see a center speaker with 3 tweeters, one facing directly forward, and 1 angled slightly to the left and one angled slightly to the right. That way, several people can be in the direct line of sight of a tweeter.
I like where you are going with that. The only problem is that you would run into comb filtering and phase issues that might be really difficult to overcome.
Would the SVS Ultra and tower center like you have work in a built in niche behind the screen? I am concerned about the side base speakers in my scenario.
I have the acoustic energy ae509 as L&R, i have a ae307 as a center channel, would the ae500 bookshelf be better as a center channel (they are the bookshelf version of my towers)?
Its not wrong, its just that speakers built for a specific duty usually suck comparatively as you are sacrificing something in cabinet design for room astetics. Perfect world, all speakers match exactly including atmosphere but nobody wants tower speakers on their ceiling which is why theater speaker cabinets are the dimensions they are, you can stick them anywhere even though they're still huge
I uses 4-towers for center and 2 for Rt and 2 for Lt and if you like Music and Music Video's nothing sounds better w no need for a subwoofer (never liked subwoofer)
@@musicstevecom buy one jtr and you don’t have to worry about towers lol.you usually keep most of your channels on the small setting and allow the subwoofer to handle the lower frequency.I guess it depends on your budget,really.Their is a lot of variables that take place and having your subwoofer handle the lower frequencies can help the rest of your channels not have to push all that power to the woofers,tweeter and mid.If you want to run your channels on large then you are going to need a hefty tower speaker that can handle power and not distort.depends on the individual I guess
@@SpecOfTech now - how would you "install" 88 speakers, when they are all manner of sizes, impedances and ages/uses of too with most simply being used - ad-hoc in whatever cabinets I could find & some no-back cabinets too.. most hot-wired with lights as vu meters (can't buy multiple ch. vu meters for up to 25 ch. systems anyways, plus xmas fairy lights wired direct across the speaker voice-coil terminals help with circuit impedance matching).. Oh and vertical - does that include wall mounting an assortment of speakers UP a wall too? th-cam.com/video/Ub0S8eTijrA/w-d-xo.html
@@johndoe9501 ? Oh you mean ONE - but why only one? As in use as many sub-woofer's as channels as that way every channel's low frequncy signals are heard - not summated across ONLY one? Does a lion at night, run around in front of it's prey - to ROAR DEEPLY, before returning behind it - to roar as it leaps - hell no - it roars wherever the hell it is, thus your speakers and subs need to be positioned all around a room - not mere;y rely on one speaker ? By having your subwoofer do all the work - of all sub woofer frequencies as they play - in & out of phase with each other - is a big ask for one woofer?
I love my 5.1 audio now. But a part of me wants to get towers for the centre channel. Still thinking if it really will make that much of a difference. Do you play the towers Full Band?
Have you ever felt like your center channel is lagging behind your towers? If not, then just keep enjoying your system as is, unless you just like to upgrade and try new things like me lol...cheers.
Yeah for sure, as long as the room isn't too large, 3 bookshelf speakers will work great. Make sure to pair them with a subwoofer or 2 though. Bookshelf speakers don't have adequate bass for a HT setup IMO.
I was going to comment about your Klipsch LCR on another video but then I saw there was a video about it. > Instant Thumbs up for the LCR Klipsch Towers. Once you go LCR any kind of towers you can't go back to having a dumb little center channel. I'll end up buying a third JBL Studio 590 and blocking most of the center of my tv before I buy the center in that range. and I think that's what JBL wanted people to do anyways. The center in that range is just for people who are given no choice but to be wife friendly. My first LCR with towers were DV84's with a pair of the matching centers used as surrounds. No tv on that rig but I listened to a lot of Music in pro logic II movie and it was truly remarkable. I'd go with 7 DV84's if I had a big room to work with. (And then eventually replace them with Studio 590's or some other crazy thing. Imagine 7.2 surround with all Klipsch RF-7III's lol)
Thats awesome man. You are absolutely right, the tower center is gsme changer. I am actually considering an RF7 iii front stage, or the PSA tower front stage. I need to go projector first though
cool I was wondering about this my question is did you see a difference in centre sound going from a centre to a tower? meaning all that brightness has it gone away or has it become richer because of the woofers. keep it up your getting better behind the camera.
Thanks for the support my man. It definitely does sound better, I never had a problem with too much brightness with the RP504C. These new Klipsch speakers really have done a good job of smoothing the highs. I did notice that the mids were more rich, definitely a nice balanced sound from the tower and it does sound better.
Hi was thinking in an alternative solution. If you have the flagship speaker as L and R and take de one smaller of the smallest tower in that serie for the looks and sonically sound as a center then you're TV can hang lower just above the lowest tower. It has less power than de bigger L and R but enough power for a centerspeaker. You're opinion, greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Thanks for watching, and welcome! You would still be getting the benefit of a vertically aligned speaker, which is better horizontal dispersion. The problem is, the center speaker is used the most in movies and games, so you really want you center speaker to be up to par with the L&R. If you can have your L, C & R matching, that really is ideal. I would suggest using 3 matching speaker if possible, maybe use 3 of the smaller speaker then...cheers.
I believe the RP 800F is 43" high. That means the TV would be 45" or so. Mine is at 37 currently. Kills my neck looking up unless I move back. However, you could buy all 3 RP800F's with what one Klipsch 64 lll center channel costs. Is it ok to use another brand's center channel if I go with the RP 8000F? Will they communicate properly? I do like the SVS Ultra Center channel. Also, most importantly do you think the 64 lll is worth the money?
I wouldn't mix and match the front stage. You really want the front stage to be timbre matched. If you typically are reclined a higher TV actually works better, but if you don't recline I can see the issue. The RC64 is one of the better horizontally aligned centers out there. I can't say much more than that because I have never owned one personally. If you have Klipsch left and right, I would also look at the RP504C for a center channel if the price of the RC64 is a little much. Cheers!
You can do whatever you want really lol. Although, the crossovers will be specifically designed for horizontal use. It will still work vertically, but would be less than ideal.
A question. Almost all the content I watch on netflix in 5.1 surround mode won't give much output to front speakers. So, is it really useful to have high end front standing speakers???
What device are you using to output the sound to your AVR for Netflix? What speakers are you using? Using high end speakers for the most part won't increase your front stage volume a significant amount, unless they are much higher efficiency than what you are using.
What I'm saying is just like LFE channel has bass to put out and center channel has all the dialogues but front speakers don't have much audio source to put out unless your avr is set to All Channel Stereo. So the point is why have those large tower speakers when they're putting as much as a 4" driver speaker?
In case you don't understand my point just disconnect your subwoofer and mid channel and listen to rest of the speakers in 5.1 mode with 5.1 audio source
@@oscarishandsome5150 Most of the entire movie is output through the front stage, they get used the most out of any of your speakers. That is why enthusiasts will recommend spending much more on your front stage than on the rest of your surrounds. Yes the center handles most of the dialogue, but the LR are used almost as much as the center for everything else in the soundtrack.
@@oscarishandsome5150 It is a pretty complicated concept, but I think I understand now lol. It is DEFINITELY worth it to buy timbre matched LCR and not cheap out on the LR speakers simply because you don't think they get used much.
Klipsch sounds good for movies, but not the best. I've always had Wherfedale bower's wilkins Polk Klipsch Elac Q Acoustics Focal, Klipsch Thx-6000 LCR in my house, none of them sound as good in movies as Mk&Sound S-150, if you listen to movies, Mk&Sound easily beats all systems)) Mk& Sound Perlisten Krix Epicentrix End Game
You have to be careful when placing horizontally designed speakers vertically, it can mess with the dispersion because they are tuned for horizontal use. But if it sounds good to you and you dont feel you are lacking, then have it buddy.
Hey Spc of Tech I have a B & W CM Centre channel. what do you think about having 3 CM Centre channels and using it as my Left,center, and right speakers? Will the sound be better or will i be missing something in terms of audio sound?
Do you have them placed horizontally or vertically? You will get worse horizontal dispersion across your whole front soundstage by using 3 that way. It will work, but not ideal unless placed vertically.
Hey man... Your video came around the right time as I was thinking about this. So I have something of a crazy idea in "tune" with the horizontal/tower center dilemma... So I'm wanting to get my Polks upgraded by the end of the year. Now eventually that'll mean getting a "traditional" center. However, I eventually do want to get an acoustically transparent screen and a matching tower for the fronts. Now here's the really interesting part: I've been eyeing the 11-channel Yamaha amp that will let you assign channels (let's say even up to three centers). So here is the big question: What are your thoughts of using BOTH a horizontal center, and have it placed slightly above a tower in the same line?
Thanks for watching man, much appreciated. I will be honest, I don't understand the science enough to give you a definitive answer. Although, I would assume that there would be some conflicting frequencies having a horizontal speaker above a vertical one. Again, I can't say for sure, but I imagine there would be some sound degradation as those frequencies would work against each other. That doesn't mean that it might not sound fuller or more forward, or it may sound worse than having just the one vertical speaker. If you do end up trying it, please come back here and give me your thoughts, I would love to hear them!
I bought it on Amazon. Here is a link to a video I did about the racks, there are links in the description of that video if you want to check out the racks. th-cam.com/video/wo4UPJbCgFk/w-d-xo.html
Do you have any idea what you are saying? A horizontal speaker has much more dispersion than a vertical speaker, that's why center speaker has either MTM configuration or bigger with 2 mid woofers on either side with a tweeter in the middle, cone filtering with a vertical speaker shouldn't be an issue for anybody off axis.
You are dead wrong. But I don't want to argue, the facts are in the video. Hence why ALL major cinemas use tower like speakers, none of them use a horizontal speaker EVER!
In my opinion tower speakers are entirely to boomy and do not represent an accurate reproduction of sound period. High end bookshelf and center channel speakers are key. Surrounds are not nearly as critical and any decent speaker will usually suffice. I would put my system up against any tower system no matter what the cost. I have a pair of Def Tec D-11's FR & FL, SVS Ultra center, Fluance sig series surround and Onkyo DN3XA for ceiling mounted atmos with 2 JBL SP-150 Subwoofers. The clarity and sound stage is excellant with no irritating boomy bass. I have tested and researched everything I could possibly get to. It is as close to perfect as the human ear can detect. Going beyond that is moot. Using ridiculously expensive cables and wires are foolish. You can only hear so much and going beyond that is a waste of money. People with OCD will spend a fortune to satisfy numbers on paper that will never reach your ability to detect. This is not scientific . It is my opinion. If I can not hear it I will not buy it.
Hey Randy, thanks for watching. I must say though, a tower being too boomy would indicate improper placement, improper speaker for the room or improper eq'ing. A tower speaker can and will reproduce the sound, but typically are much more capable than a bookshelf speaker. Another reason a vertically aligned speaker is better than a horizontally aligned one is the off axis response. This will definitely be noticeable for those sitting off axis. But, if you love your system as is, then just keeping on enjoying it...don't fix what ain't broken.
Hey man, no you don't HAVE to use a tower speaker to use the center channel. You could also use a bookshelf or a horizontally designed center speaker as well. It is only that a tower is ideal as a center, but definitely not the only way. I hope this helps, cheers.
@@SpecOfTech thank you my friend ask a word I did not understand in the video exactly why the castle or bookshelf should be used What is the main reason?
@@elcinesed7465 No problem brother. The reason to use 3 identical speakers like 3 towers or 3 bookshelf speakers is because you get a perfect sonic match. The reason they made horizontal center channels was mainly for convenience and to save space, this will work with most entertainment units. A horizontal center channel has poor horizontal dispersion though, and will not be a perfect sonic match to your left and right tower.
@@elcinesed7465 In all honesty you should try to use 3 tower speakers, or 3 bookshelf speakers for the perfect sonic match. You could use a bookshelf as a center, and you would still have much better horizontal off axis listening than a traditional horizontally aligned center speaker. If you do decide on a bookshelf with your S60's, check out the S20. If at all possible though, go with 3 S60's.
Spec Of Tech I built a custom speaker: The Dayton tweeter is mounted above the projector screen, and the woofer box with Aurum Cantus 7” woofer is below the screen with an external Dayton 2 way crossover at 2500hz. It perfectly anchors the sound to the center of the screen. Came up with the idea myself.
@@SpecOfTech Thank you...I think now the newest receivers replicate what I did digitally with multiple speakers, but the way I have it sounds like it is coming directly from the middle of the screen. The key is high end drivers that disappear. It breaks accoustic rules but the treble amazingly sound like it is coming from the center of the screen (I use Dayton Lpads to attenuate each driver to dial it in). I have an old Denon 3803 with external rotel amps (running only 7.1). But i like its DACs and I know how to use it. Plus I don't have to worry about holes in my movie screen. Just subbed- cheers
Lol to each their own, audio is subjective, but I love my subwoofers. I could deal without a center speaker with a phantom center, but need my subs! Thanks for watching my friend.
I understand what you are saying, but that is a common misconception. When most people sit in a home theater, they at the very least rest their head on the back of the seat. This automatically increases the incline of your on axis viewing. In addition to that, most people have recliners in their HT. When your seat is reclined and your head is rested on the back of the seat, technically "straight ahead" for your eyes is higher up on the wall closer to the ceiling. So yes, if you sit up straight like the Nuns, you would want your display about 3ft from the floor. BUT, if you rest your head or recline, having the display higher is actually easier on your eyes, because you aren't always technically looking down. Thanks for watching...cheers!
@@SpecOfTech I have my own Home theatre wirh recliners. I also have self adjusting eyeballs that automatically turn on their axis so as I recline they automatically adjust and level out to the screen. Pretty cool. I have 4 seats in a row, I'm debating whether to replace my broken centre as I don't think the end seats will be that much off axis to even need one . Thanks for the reply
@@booshallmighty Exactly, your eyes adjust downward to "level out" ;P! Kind of like they move upward to level out if the screen is higher up lol, they can even move side to side...cheers man.
I bought a single Paradigm tower speaker that someone was getting rid of for $25 and I find it works out way better than the JBL horizontal center channel speaker I was using, particularly when I watch older films that only have a 1.0 channel lossless track (which is probably half the time for my use). So much more defined and I find that vocals sit nicely in the mix rather than jumping forward. And it sits under my 51" plasma just fine. In my space it even leaves me room to go up to a 65" with ease. I flanked that with a pair of Mitsubishi SS7600 speakers that have insane imaging and a pair of Wharfedale Delta 5.3 speakers for my surrounds. The whole setup cost less than $150 and is my poor man's hi-fi surround sound and it's glorious! 😊
This is exactly I'm searching for years now for this kinda explanation! Thanks
No problem brother, glad to help.
Been wanting to do this for years, and now I'm finally going to. Flanking your center tower with the audio equipment is exactly what I'll need to do. I have a projection screen, but will only need to increase its height by a few inches to clear the top of the speakers I'll get. Of course, my choices will be limited to towers on the short side. Thanks!
ran identical towers in my old 5.1 system, then added bookshelves as rear surround L and R mounted high on the wall. I'm trying a horizontal center speaker now with a 7.1.2 setup but mounting the TV high enough to clear a tower in case I decide to go back. L C R being identical really sounds amazing for dialogue and any main action sounds.
I use an SVS Ultra Tower as my Center Channel behind an acousticly transparent screen. It sounds fantastic. With a 60hz crossover
Awesome man, I use a third Ultra tower as my center now as well. I agree it sounds amazing, glad to hear there others like me out there lol.
I have klipsch RP-280FA as my left and right and I am using another klipsch RP-280FA horizontal on stands as my center channel!!! It's a monster... sounds great!!
Alot of this depends on the arrangement of your speakers. Most people put the center channel too low. I've ways preferred mine above my tv angeled down to the listening position. Better dispersion and clarity imo.
Why not just use two dipole speakers?
If your TV sits at eye level, then this could be a good option, if off axis conb filtering is an issue.
Dipole speakers should eliminate comb filtering issues, as they direct the sound out to the sides, so you could face the centre most drivers directly towards the sweet spot, and the drivers towards the outside will direct the sound to the right and left axis. However, unless you have a very large viewing room, with your L&R front speakers spaced 10 feet apart or more, then this is not necessary, and overkill imho.
With a tower speaker, or even a vertically mounted bookshelf speaker, you are going to restrict the centre channel to a very narrow area, so it may not sound very natural to anybody sitting off axis, and could sound boxy and contained.
As somebody with many years of experimentation with speakers behind me, I use a conventional MTM centre speaker, and I have no issues with it at all. And I can simply widen the centre inage via DSP settings on my receiver if need be.
There isnt much benefit in terms of BASS from a centre channel, so a full range speaker is not necessary. Even if you increase the bass to max level, via your Receiver DSP settings, all that this will achieve is very BOOMY dialogue, which is not what you want for a natural sounding home cinema setup.
I get what you are saying, but with dipole speakers it would mess with the front stage imaging. This isn't something you want if you are looking for an accurate soundstage for movies.
I think you may have missed an important point when discussing using a vertically aligned speaker for the center. It doesn't narrow the horizontal dispersion, it actually improves it. It truly is a technical acoustical improvement over an MTM speaker in every way. They only downside is that an MTM center channel is easier to place under a screen due to the cabinet design. That is why everyone using an acoustically transparent projector screen uses 3 identical LCR speakers, including every movie theater.
With all your experimentation and experience with speakers, I know you're aware that the center channel is the most used channel for movies and shows. So it would stand to reason for the center channel to be at least as capable as the L&R speakers if not even more capable. Using a center channel that is capable of outputting great bass won't make it boomy, it just makes it more capable of outputting the bass should the scene call for it. The only way it would become boomy is if it is eq'd with a big bump in the lower midrange and bass region.
The most common crossover in most home theaters is 80hz, so your speakers should be capable AT LEAST down to 80hz if you intend to use that crossover. Now of course, it would be better if they are capable of frequencies down to about 50hz or so, because an 80hz crossover is not a brick wall, instead it just rolls off smoothly after 80hz. Having a more capable speaker will allow for this roll off, and help with integrating your speakers with your subs. If your center speaker is not capable of bass, at the very least till the crossover point, then your sound will be thin/anemic until the subs kick in at the crossover point.
I hope this further helps explain my video...cheers.
This was my question for a long time ⌛️ instead of searching for the ultimate center speaker
Thanks 😊
I agree but unfortunately many setups have a screen height limitation so you need loud speakers that are shorter. Personally I prefer large loudspeakers with multiple woofers and mids. Unless you are able to spend $7-10k to buy very high end all loudspeakers or bookshelf speakers it is harder to get big sound.
The way I look at it is that since I have everything optimized to my seating position, as long as nobody sits in my spot, I don't care because most others are not as picky with their sound when you have a quality dedicated theater anyways.
Just found your channel, good stuff and love content from other Canadians
I like your vids and ideas, but as usual, I offer an alternative view (LOL). Like you, I have never liked the horizontally aligned center speakers. My answer is to use a "Phantom" center. That is, no physical center speaker. Some receivers call it "Phantom" but some like my current Denon simply let you choose "No Center speaker" and the receiver splits the center signal evenly to both left and right, similar to the center stage imaging of two channel stereo sound from the old days of yore (LOL). As long as you are near center, there's no issue, but as you go further off center the more you'll notice it, but it's not as bad as you might think. Plus there's no height issues like with a center speakers mounted below the screen. Of coarse the best answer (if you can afford it) is to have a center that matches the left and right fronts (as you suggest)
Yessir, I have tried the phantom center as well. I liked it, but I will say the tower center does anchor the sound to the screen better, but the phantom center is definitely a great option as well, you are right.
With proper imaging, you can point out the location of the source of the sound with just two speakers. That's called stereo :-). This means that, when in a normal viewing position, you have the speech in the middle of the screen. When in a movie theater, you might be sitting (very) off center. In that case you need a center speaker.
Btw, I disconnected my center speaker and I had to keep reminding myself that it was disconnected, because I could hear the sound coming from the screen. Very surreal, but it makes sense, like stereo makes sense.
This is interesting. I have always wondered about the use of a phantom center, I would love to set a comparison of regular center, matching LCR and a phantom center to see how much alot a difference their is. I would think that in most instances if you are listening below reference a phantom may be the way to go. Thoughts on that?
My tv is on a stand, so I had a small tweeter as my center speaker. My front LR towers, the Klipsch r-610f's just sounded significantly better than that tweeter, and no timbre-matched center speaker out there will fit within the small space between my tv and the stand. Placing it above the tv is definitely not an option either because of Atmos. Simple and free solution was to just disable the center channel in the receiver's configuration and run a phantom center with the LR towers, and I just love it! Toeing in the towers toward the furthest listening position really helps anchor the center channel to the center too! With that solved flawlessly, I just have to get matching Klipsch bookshelf r-41m's to timbre-match the surrounds too.
I've been experimenting with a pair of decent older bookshelves myself (hooked in parallel to get 4 ohm loading my AVR prefers). It permits not only slight toe-out to increase the horizontal dispersion and permit you to focus either independently, but also allows you to set one back slightly to help with tuning dispersion errors. I can't say its better than a traditional horizontal center, but it is too early and I want to see what my DiracLive changes between the setups.
You can also set your horizontal center speaker vertically too. Either way has its pros and cons.
2 Klipsch fortes slightly elevated so the horns are at the center of the 65” plasma screen..no middle speaker although over the years have used 3 fortes with 2 PSB rears & a PSB sub..
Good review,I have a klipsch set up i had the r52 as my center it would sound muddy at higher volume the dialogue was never that clear so i switched with a spare klipsch speaker the r51 bookshelf and it sounds so much clearer now.
Glad to hear you got your dialogue cleared up. I would also suggest treating your room with acoustic panels, especially the back of the room. That is a great way to clean up dialogue even more...cheers.
Thanks
I just replaced a TV, yesterday, that was mounted to my AV shelf system. The new one had a different VESA pattern so it wouldn't fit...had to buy a wall mount. Upside is I can get a bigger traditional timbre-matched center speaker or buy an additional RP-600Mii to use as a center. I currently have a R-34C because it was literally the only one that would fit on the shelf under the old TV. The Klipsch replaced the front 3 speakers of an old Polk satellite 5.1 system. I used the L/R as additional surrounds so now I have a 7.1 :)
I've had a few different 5.1s, to now a 10.1. I just ran the extra speaker in parallel. The 2 bk surrounds w the 2 side surrounds. 2 center channels in parallel. 2 front x2 in parallel w 1 sub. And it sounds amazing 👏. But Im upgrading to a real receiver now..I can't wait. All new speakers of different brands. JVC, Cerwin Vega, Bose, Pioneer. This time only 2 front speakers L-R..but awesome JVC. 4 Surronds back and sides. Big sub.. giving me a 7.1 this time.. But obviously a more exciting listening experience to go along w my viewing pleasure 🙏 ☺️
Good video , keep up the good work!
For future reference Timbre is pronounced "tam·
ber"
Thanks, I never knew it wasn't pronounced how it's spelled.
I wonder if it is because Anglophones struggle to make the sound "im" in t•"im"•bre as we hear it in French, so the pronunciation got transformed. Just look how "Tintin" is pronounced in French (original) vs. English and you will understand the struggle lol.
I always find if funny how people correct others on pronunciations. While you may be correct in how you pronouce timbre that doesn't mean people say it that way. I could spend 2 lifetimes demonstrating words people say differently. I mean the Americans barely pronouce any English word in the way the English do. So what? And form your reference, English people say timbre as Timber. The same as wood. The context of the conversation is enough to avoid confusion. Don't be such a bell end.
I don't mean to dog-pile with ILoveCookies X, but "lobe" rhymes with "strobe", not "cob". I like your approach. I've always felt the horizontal MTM arrangement was not sensible sonically, and only became popular because it fit neatly, especially with the bulky cathode-ray TVs in use when centre channels were introduced. Movie theatres solved the speaker placement problem by putting them directly behind the screen, which was porous enough to allow the sound through. Highs were more attenuated than mids and lows, but they fixed that with EQ. I like your sub - it looks like it means business! Thanks for the video.
I am Canadian what can I say, I pronounce words how they are spelled lol. I see now that lobing is spelled with 1 B and not 2, that makes more sense now. Tricky business this english language. Thanks for pointing that out. I like the sub too, but you should see the new one I got ;), it really means business. The PSA TV3612's will be sold and Funk Audio is moving in :).
You can check out my new sub on this video if you want...but it is worth it. th-cam.com/video/DXdKVB1J6wg/w-d-xo.html
I've noticed a difference in audio from the center channel when listening from left and right of the sweet spot, however I don't think a vertically aligned center channel speaker will correct this. Unless for some reason it produces a wide soundstage. My reason being most left and right channel are toed in to achieve sweet spot
I'd like to see a center speaker with 3 tweeters, one facing directly forward, and 1 angled slightly to the left and one angled slightly to the right. That way, several people can be in the direct line of sight of a tweeter.
I like where you are going with that. The only problem is that you would run into comb filtering and phase issues that might be really difficult to overcome.
That would be a terrible idea. Learn about lobing issues to understand why.
Three fronts should be identical for a projector. Or consider skipping the center for a TV and just do left and right stereo. IMO.
Would the SVS Ultra and tower center like you have work in a built in niche behind the screen? I am concerned about the side base speakers in my scenario.
I have the acoustic energy ae509 as L&R, i have a ae307 as a center channel, would the ae500 bookshelf be better as a center channel (they are the bookshelf version of my towers)?
I use 3 Kef q900's for LCR....love it.
Nice choice man!!
@@SpecOfTech. Great channel ....especially the big subwoofers!
@@snaglet101 Thanks man!
Its not wrong, its just that speakers built for a specific duty usually suck comparatively as you are sacrificing something in cabinet design for room astetics. Perfect world, all speakers match exactly including atmosphere but nobody wants tower speakers on their ceiling which is why theater speaker cabinets are the dimensions they are, you can stick them anywhere even though they're still huge
I use 3 Focal Chorus 605's as my LCR for one of the smaller rooms.
I'm going to utilize the 3 tower front.as yiu did.
Please let me know how you were able to buy a single tower speaker for use as a centre channel? Normally tower speakers are sold in pairs?
Great video! Very informative!
Thanks man, glad you found it helpful.
Yes my front 3 speakers are identical.
I uses 4-towers for center and 2 for Rt and 2 for Lt and if you like Music and Music Video's nothing sounds better w no need for a subwoofer (never liked subwoofer)
Very cool setup. I would be very interested to hear a setup like that.
I'm going to load something up later this Year But I did this years ago and never looked back the big center channel speakers add life to the Music
@@musicstevecom buy one jtr and you don’t have to worry about towers lol.you usually keep most of your channels on the small setting and allow the subwoofer to handle the lower frequency.I guess it depends on your budget,really.Their is a lot of variables that take place and having your subwoofer handle the lower frequencies can help the rest of your channels not have to push all that power to the woofers,tweeter and mid.If you want to run your channels on large then you are going to need a hefty tower speaker that can handle power and not distort.depends on the individual I guess
@@SpecOfTech now - how would you "install" 88 speakers, when they are all manner of sizes, impedances and ages/uses of too with most simply being used - ad-hoc in whatever cabinets I could find & some no-back cabinets too.. most hot-wired with lights as vu meters (can't buy multiple ch. vu meters for up to 25 ch. systems anyways, plus xmas fairy lights wired direct across the speaker voice-coil terminals help with circuit impedance matching)..
Oh and vertical - does that include wall mounting an assortment of speakers UP a wall too?
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@@johndoe9501 ?
Oh you mean ONE - but why only one?
As in use as many sub-woofer's as channels as that way every channel's low frequncy signals are heard - not summated across ONLY one?
Does a lion at night, run around in front of it's prey - to ROAR DEEPLY, before returning behind it - to roar as it leaps - hell no - it roars wherever the hell it is, thus your speakers and subs need to be positioned all around a room - not mere;y rely on one speaker ?
By having your subwoofer do all the work - of all sub woofer frequencies as they play - in & out of phase with each other - is a big ask for one woofer?
I love my 5.1 audio now. But a part of me wants to get towers for the centre channel. Still thinking if it really will make that much of a difference. Do you play the towers Full Band?
Have you ever felt like your center channel is lagging behind your towers? If not, then just keep enjoying your system as is, unless you just like to upgrade and try new things like me lol...cheers.
@@SpecOfTech thanks for the reply. Was the difference like mindblowing? 🤔
Very informative thx!
Thanks man!
So 3 good bookshelf speakers would be a good idea?
Yeah for sure, as long as the room isn't too large, 3 bookshelf speakers will work great. Make sure to pair them with a subwoofer or 2 though. Bookshelf speakers don't have adequate bass for a HT setup IMO.
Either way you'll get good sound
I was going to comment about your Klipsch LCR on another video but then I saw there was a video about it. > Instant Thumbs up for the LCR Klipsch Towers. Once you go LCR any kind of towers you can't go back to having a dumb little center channel. I'll end up buying a third JBL Studio 590 and blocking most of the center of my tv before I buy the center in that range. and I think that's what JBL wanted people to do anyways. The center in that range is just for people who are given no choice but to be wife friendly. My first LCR with towers were DV84's with a pair of the matching centers used as surrounds. No tv on that rig but I listened to a lot of Music in pro logic II movie and it was truly remarkable. I'd go with 7 DV84's if I had a big room to work with. (And then eventually replace them with Studio 590's or some other crazy thing. Imagine 7.2 surround with all Klipsch RF-7III's lol)
Thats awesome man. You are absolutely right, the tower center is gsme changer. I am actually considering an RF7 iii front stage, or the PSA tower front stage. I need to go projector first though
Do a sound demo movie clip.
You're right I need to start incorporating demos in these types of videos!
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cool I was wondering about this my question is did you see a difference in centre sound going from a centre to a tower? meaning all that brightness has it gone away or has it become richer because of the woofers. keep it up your getting better behind the camera.
Thanks for the support my man. It definitely does sound better, I never had a problem with too much brightness with the RP504C. These new Klipsch speakers really have done a good job of smoothing the highs. I did notice that the mids were more rich, definitely a nice balanced sound from the tower and it does sound better.
@@SpecOfTech great to know Ill look into that for sure :)
Hi was thinking in an alternative solution. If you have the flagship speaker as L and R and take de one smaller of the smallest tower in that serie for the looks and sonically sound as a center then you're TV can hang lower just above the lowest tower. It has less power than de bigger L and R but enough power for a centerspeaker. You're opinion, greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Thanks for watching, and welcome! You would still be getting the benefit of a vertically aligned speaker, which is better horizontal dispersion. The problem is, the center speaker is used the most in movies and games, so you really want you center speaker to be up to par with the L&R. If you can have your L, C & R matching, that really is ideal. I would suggest using 3 matching speaker if possible, maybe use 3 of the smaller speaker then...cheers.
I believe the RP 800F is 43" high. That means the TV would be 45" or so. Mine is at 37 currently. Kills my neck looking up unless I move back. However, you could buy all 3 RP800F's with what one Klipsch 64 lll center channel costs. Is it ok to use another brand's center channel if I go with the RP 8000F? Will they communicate properly? I do like the SVS Ultra Center channel. Also, most importantly do you think the 64 lll is worth the money?
I wouldn't mix and match the front stage. You really want the front stage to be timbre matched. If you typically are reclined a higher TV actually works better, but if you don't recline I can see the issue. The RC64 is one of the better horizontally aligned centers out there. I can't say much more than that because I have never owned one personally. If you have Klipsch left and right, I would also look at the RP504C for a center channel if the price of the RC64 is a little much. Cheers!
Do you run the centre full band or run bass management and crossover at 60-80hz? Is there a day night diff between tower and horiz speaker ?
I use an 80hz crossover still.
Can you use 3 Center channels for a LCR set up?
You can do whatever you want really lol. Although, the crossovers will be specifically designed for horizontal use. It will still work vertically, but would be less than ideal.
You have to make left and right channel stand up
Great video as always.
Thanks brother, I appreciate the support.
@@SpecOfTech the pleasure is mine, subscribed. keep on making great and informative content like this.
A question. Almost all the content I watch on netflix in 5.1 surround mode won't give much output to front speakers. So, is it really useful to have high end front standing speakers???
What device are you using to output the sound to your AVR for Netflix? What speakers are you using? Using high end speakers for the most part won't increase your front stage volume a significant amount, unless they are much higher efficiency than what you are using.
What I'm saying is just like LFE channel has bass to put out and center channel has all the dialogues but front speakers don't have much audio source to put out unless your avr is set to All Channel Stereo. So the point is why have those large tower speakers when they're putting as much as a 4" driver speaker?
In case you don't understand my point just disconnect your subwoofer and mid channel and listen to rest of the speakers in 5.1 mode with 5.1 audio source
@@oscarishandsome5150 Most of the entire movie is output through the front stage, they get used the most out of any of your speakers. That is why enthusiasts will recommend spending much more on your front stage than on the rest of your surrounds. Yes the center handles most of the dialogue, but the LR are used almost as much as the center for everything else in the soundtrack.
@@oscarishandsome5150 It is a pretty complicated concept, but I think I understand now lol. It is DEFINITELY worth it to buy timbre matched LCR and not cheap out on the LR speakers simply because you don't think they get used much.
center speakers always sound stiff , too dry and unnatural to me. getting dialogue to the front speakers sound better
Klipsch sounds good for movies, but not the best. I've always had Wherfedale bower's wilkins Polk Klipsch Elac Q Acoustics Focal, Klipsch Thx-6000 LCR in my house, none of them sound as good in movies as Mk&Sound S-150, if you listen to movies, Mk&Sound easily beats all systems)) Mk& Sound Perlisten Krix Epicentrix End Game
That's why I placed my ctr speaker vertically behind my AT screen
You have to be careful when placing horizontally designed speakers vertically, it can mess with the dispersion because they are tuned for horizontal use. But if it sounds good to you and you dont feel you are lacking, then have it buddy.
Hey Spc of Tech I have a B & W CM Centre channel. what do you think about having 3 CM Centre channels and using it as my Left,center, and right speakers? Will the sound be better or will i be missing something in terms of audio sound?
Do you have them placed horizontally or vertically? You will get worse horizontal dispersion across your whole front soundstage by using 3 that way. It will work, but not ideal unless placed vertically.
@@SpecOfTech Yep. I have them all placed vertically. Mostly because they look cooler being placed that way.
@@vxy357 Well not only will it look cooler, you will also get better horizontal dispersion...cheers.
Hey man... Your video came around the right time as I was thinking about this. So I have something of a crazy idea in "tune" with the horizontal/tower center dilemma...
So I'm wanting to get my Polks upgraded by the end of the year. Now eventually that'll mean getting a "traditional" center. However, I eventually do want to get an acoustically transparent screen and a matching tower for the fronts. Now here's the really interesting part: I've been eyeing the 11-channel Yamaha amp that will let you assign channels (let's say even up to three centers). So here is the big question: What are your thoughts of using BOTH a horizontal center, and have it placed slightly above a tower in the same line?
Thanks for watching man, much appreciated. I will be honest, I don't understand the science enough to give you a definitive answer. Although, I would assume that there would be some conflicting frequencies having a horizontal speaker above a vertical one. Again, I can't say for sure, but I imagine there would be some sound degradation as those frequencies would work against each other. That doesn't mean that it might not sound fuller or more forward, or it may sound worse than having just the one vertical speaker. If you do end up trying it, please come back here and give me your thoughts, I would love to hear them!
Maybe turn the tower speaker sideways :)
Haha, but then you are removing some of the benefits of using the tower.
@SpecOfTech I put my klipsch RP-280FA horizontal on 10 inch stands... it works great!!!! Using klipsch RP-280FA for my left and right
Where did you buy the tv stands you have in the video
I bought it on Amazon. Here is a link to a video I did about the racks, there are links in the description of that video if you want to check out the racks.
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@@SpecOfTech thanks I appreciate it
Do you have any idea what you are saying? A horizontal speaker has much more dispersion than a vertical speaker, that's why center speaker has either MTM configuration or bigger with 2 mid woofers on either side with a tweeter in the middle, cone filtering with a vertical speaker shouldn't be an issue for anybody off axis.
You are dead wrong. But I don't want to argue, the facts are in the video. Hence why ALL major cinemas use tower like speakers, none of them use a horizontal speaker EVER!
In my opinion tower speakers are entirely to boomy and do not represent an accurate reproduction of sound period. High end bookshelf and center channel speakers are key. Surrounds are not nearly as critical and any decent speaker will usually suffice. I would put my system up against any tower system no matter what the cost. I have a pair of Def Tec D-11's FR & FL, SVS Ultra center, Fluance sig series surround and Onkyo DN3XA for ceiling mounted atmos with 2 JBL SP-150 Subwoofers. The clarity and sound stage is excellant with no irritating boomy bass. I have tested and researched everything I could possibly get to. It is as close to perfect as the human ear can detect. Going beyond that is moot. Using ridiculously expensive cables and wires are foolish. You can only hear so much and going beyond that is a waste of money. People with OCD will spend a fortune to satisfy numbers on paper that will never reach your ability to detect. This is not scientific . It is my opinion. If I can not hear it I will not buy it.
Hey Randy, thanks for watching. I must say though, a tower being too boomy would indicate improper placement, improper speaker for the room or improper eq'ing. A tower speaker can and will reproduce the sound, but typically are much more capable than a bookshelf speaker. Another reason a vertically aligned speaker is better than a horizontally aligned one is the off axis response. This will definitely be noticeable for those sitting off axis. But, if you love your system as is, then just keeping on enjoying it...don't fix what ain't broken.
Dude, I don't understand. Do you need to use the tower speaker to use the center channel?
Hey man, no you don't HAVE to use a tower speaker to use the center channel. You could also use a bookshelf or a horizontally designed center speaker as well. It is only that a tower is ideal as a center, but definitely not the only way. I hope this helps, cheers.
@@SpecOfTech thank you my friend ask a word I did not understand in the video exactly why the castle or bookshelf should be used What is the main reason?
@@elcinesed7465 No problem brother. The reason to use 3 identical speakers like 3 towers or 3 bookshelf speakers is because you get a perfect sonic match. The reason they made horizontal center channels was mainly for convenience and to save space, this will work with most entertainment units. A horizontal center channel has poor horizontal dispersion though, and will not be a perfect sonic match to your left and right tower.
@@SpecOfTech polk audio signature series s60s has the idea to go right and left Which bookshelf should I use for the center?
@@elcinesed7465 In all honesty you should try to use 3 tower speakers, or 3 bookshelf speakers for the perfect sonic match. You could use a bookshelf as a center, and you would still have much better horizontal off axis listening than a traditional horizontally aligned center speaker. If you do decide on a bookshelf with your S60's, check out the S20. If at all possible though, go with 3 S60's.
movie theatre center speakers are towers like the left and right
yes sire they are. What type of center channel are you running?
Spec Of Tech I built a custom speaker: The Dayton tweeter is mounted above the projector screen, and the woofer box with Aurum Cantus 7” woofer is below the screen with an external Dayton 2 way crossover at 2500hz. It perfectly anchors the sound to the center of the screen. Came up with the idea myself.
@@northsouth8884 Very cool idea. An interesting solution to avoid going with an AT screen. Good thinking man.
@@SpecOfTech Thank you...I think now the newest receivers replicate what I did digitally with multiple speakers, but the way I have it sounds like it is coming directly from the middle of the screen. The key is high end drivers that disappear. It breaks accoustic rules but the treble amazingly sound like it is coming from the center of the screen (I use Dayton Lpads to attenuate each driver to dial it in). I have an old Denon 3803 with external rotel amps (running only 7.1). But i like its DACs and I know how to use it. Plus I don't have to worry about holes in my movie screen. Just subbed- cheers
@@northsouth8884 Thanks for subbing brother.
I hate center speakers period and i sort of hate subwoofers and reason is their positions is awkward
Lol to each their own, audio is subjective, but I love my subwoofers. I could deal without a center speaker with a phantom center, but need my subs! Thanks for watching my friend.
Why doesn't it work. "It does". Okay video over.
The obvious problem with this is that your screen willnne too high
I understand what you are saying, but that is a common misconception. When most people sit in a home theater, they at the very least rest their head on the back of the seat. This automatically increases the incline of your on axis viewing. In addition to that, most people have recliners in their HT. When your seat is reclined and your head is rested on the back of the seat, technically "straight ahead" for your eyes is higher up on the wall closer to the ceiling. So yes, if you sit up straight like the Nuns, you would want your display about 3ft from the floor. BUT, if you rest your head or recline, having the display higher is actually easier on your eyes, because you aren't always technically looking down. Thanks for watching...cheers!
@@SpecOfTech I have my own Home theatre wirh recliners. I also have self adjusting eyeballs that automatically turn on their axis so as I recline they automatically adjust and level out to the screen. Pretty cool.
I have 4 seats in a row, I'm debating whether to replace my broken centre as I don't think the end seats will be that much off axis to even need one . Thanks for the reply
@@booshallmighty Exactly, your eyes adjust downward to "level out" ;P! Kind of like they move upward to level out if the screen is higher up lol, they can even move side to side...cheers man.
I’ve never used a Center channel speaker it has always been whatever my left and right have been ….