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This game is an insult to Kevin Conroy/Batman and the decades of work the man put into that role! This game just took a massive dump on the Batman Arkham games! Total disgrace! R.I.P Kevin Conroy
you are completly wrong no one has said its lazy or un ambitious. the game is a terrible story that what people are talking aboout . it feminist to the max it is one of the most racist games ive ever seen. its terrible and the things you said to start the video are you r opinon but they are competyly wrong. the story and even the gameplay and even how it looks is terrrible. go look at how harley looks in the arkham games then get back to me about presentation. dude she looks awful. and you think this is good presentation? dead shot is race swapped dude. this is one of the most racist and blatent disrepespectful games ive ever seen . you need to really read the room no one has said this was lazy or phoned in no one has said that you just litrerally made it up
You know this is a pointless bias review when the reviewer doesn't understand who the intended audience this game is marketed for nor does he read the details of what the game is. The games website site specifically detail it's a third person action shooter. No point of bringing that Rocksteady has been a notoriously a game studio that works on action combat story driven games. This game isn't a combat 3rd person game. It's a third person action shooter. Totally bi-polar opposite of what they are.
@@javierlandaverde4108the intended audience is a handful of hamsterwheel addicts that are already hooked on other games. go hide behind subjectivity somewhere else.
All the good live service games like Deep Rock or Warhammer4k: Darktide have 4 unique classes that are not interchangeable on the ability or weapon level. Each class is genuinely unique. Darktide has the Ogryn class, who is tall and tanky but slow. The Psyker class plays nothing like him, which is a ranger magic class. The devs at Rocksteady seriously lack creativity.
see you in 6 months when WB reports that: "due to changing market conditions we have been forced to take the regretful decision of downsizing Rocksteady and will have to layoff 50% of the studio"
The whole thing is gross. Clearly loot boxes were definitely going to be a thing until the outrage of that hit. The whole game just screams monetization regardless of how much they may have pulled back.
yup its egregious, predatory, unethical and amoral yet they want to tout their "diversity and inclusion" by performative pride icons and logos in the game world, really shows the emotional manipulation tactics on display say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service a thread: ESG ----- all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion" Sweet Baby Inc ----- most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse Rocksteady ------ Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation the design is so telling as well in characters and design the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda Propaganda ----- shits on the legacies has Harley hate her own outfits of old Wonder Woman only one given a pass Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire Game Character Bios if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
If they could charge to reload your weapon, they would. We are dealing with some of the greediest people in history and I understand the need for companies to make money but when it becomes all about the money then the gamers suffer.
Ready Player One comes to mind where in the movie, the guys says. "We can take up 80% of the visual field before inducing seizures"...or something like that. That UI is horrendous
How do you think this works? They just get another chance? Clowns these days rip into a studio so hard they close down then act like they have no idea why anyone would close said studio down and cry and wish it was still around
Maybe it's because I'm getting old but watching that gameplay footage was just exhausting. How can people look at this visual mess and not feel disoriented after a minute or so? 😵💫
Not really tho.. Since there are actual good games out there on the market... I won't be spending 9.99$ for a bad game with a cash shop and battlepass.. I would not play it if it was free.
@@FeganFloopThat just tells me the UI designers knew at the end of the day that's it's a mess, and had little time to change it. It's a lil' nice though, gotta admit.
@alargecorgi2199that’s not what he said? He praised the city design, but pointed out that you get no opportunity to actually explore that because everything you do is on rooftops.
@@Vonboon11dyOther people have suggested using other villians to take down the league like: Bizzaro for Superman, Reverse Flash for the Flash, Sinestro for Green lantern or have Wonder Woman Play play some kind of part in each boss fight. Then Suicide Squad is there support type stuff during the fight.
I really wish that every game has to be a live service era would just end. It really sucks seeing more and more single player developers make projects that are designed around the opposite of what they’re used to making.
Fr, it's such a gamble, sure you have a mega slim chance of getting a lightning in a bottle moment like fortnite or call of duty but a way higher chance of fizzling out and getting taken offline
I want to know who in the hell directed a studio renowned for their visceral, crunchy, satisfying melee combat to make a looter shooter. That person has got to be on drugs.
@@tartatovskylive service part was probably the publisher. I will say it sort of became obvious that the devs wanted to try something different they added a M61 vulcan gun to their stealth/action game.
Seriously! I don't care about all the crybabies who are wetty-upsetty that Batman gets killed and stuff, I'm just shocked no one is talking more about all the VISUAL GARBAGE on the screen at seemingly all times. Really looks like it'd be a dealbreaker for me if there's no way to minimize it. It makes Borderlands look subtle and grounded by comparison.
@@lotus2001 That doesn't make the complaint any less valid. Rocksteady designed this to be the default. That means actual hours and effort went into it, and if you buy this game, you are paying for this UI. Even if you didn't buy the game, you can still complain about it. Just because something is optional, that doesn't excuse it from criticism.
My take on another comment is that the script feels like it was written for the Squad to be facing an "Injustice" style assortment of truly evil heroes. Not a group of previously good, mind controlled heroes. It seems like Rocksteady wanted to have their cake and eat it too. With the edginess of killing the good JL heroes we know and love, while having them be plainly evil enough to root for the Squad against them, minimizing any chance the player might feel bad for having to kill them.
All the bad comic book writing tropes in one package. Such garbage. Hope the animators and 3d modellers find a better studio to work for, because their talented is wasted on incompetent CEO's and writers. I 2 months we will already see headlines "wb games fires 50% of rocksteady staff." get out while you can for greener pastures.
Personally, my speculation is that if you look at when this game was greenlit, it was at a very specific time: a time when WB was hyping up the Suicide Squad and the Justice League as rival teams, when the DCEU, though clearly troubled, was still making motions towards a grand plan, and when Destiny was at the height of its prowess. Nowadays, there isn't a Suicide Squad or Justice League comic on the stands, the DCEU is completely dead and buried (and they'll be very lucky if superhero films as a whole survive the next five years), and live service is one of the most hated terms in the industry. Under those circumstances, a game like this feels tone-deaf: less like a celebration, more a mercenary piss on the grave.
The saddest part is you can see dim flickers of Rocksteady's genius buried beneath all of the bad/poor decisions made. Rest in Peace Rocksteady, we’ll remember you for the Arkham trilogy, mostly.
Yeah, like say the few good bits of how Batman was handled. Seeing him just glaring at you from afar before vanishing is genuinely fantastic. The only thing that could make it better is if he'd say something eerie over the radio to signify he's watching you then you'd be stuck desperately trying find him.
As a lifelong, DC superhero fan it really makes me sad that this game is going down the road that it is. I don’t understand the obsession with making bad guys good and good guys bad. I think people would fall head over heels for a well-made superman game, where he’s actually the good guy for the first time in a decade.
I mean Arkham Harley lecturing Batman on moralty? Arham Harley is a very evil version of teh character, she killed kids canonically, helped Joker torture Jason, and killed thousands for fun. The writers brushed all of this off like nothing.
It's only a demo really, but highly recommend you check out Undefeated. Very cool proof-of-concept. I also really like how your "health" is the city since you're sposed to be...Well, basically Superman
What's crazy is I have zero interest in this game, but I watched the whole review because I enjoy hearing your breakdowns of what's good and what doesn't work and why it doesn't work.
There are several reviewers that are very good at breaking down the game design in a way that is easy to understanding and genuinely interesting, SkillUp is one of the best at this. I always watch their stuff (Ralph and Austin are both good at this, so I'm including them both) when I'm curious about game design, even if I'm not interested in the game itself.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz I remember how bright-eyed and optimistic the original Destiny 1 promo material was. Wonder if any Destiny devs have ever thought about what they've wrought on the gaming industry lol
That scene where the flash has a brief moment of clarity with wonder woman was actually impactful, why the hell didn’t they do one for every hero? It’s just so strange that only Barry got to have one, you would think batman, THE batman that rocksteady made would have that honor.
They had the perfect set up for it with Harley. She could have said how much it sucked that he wasn't the real batman. And even say something to the effect, is the real batman still in there somewhere because she knows all her words are wasted on the corrupted version. And she can end him with respect and remark on how she is saving the real bats. Or have the real batman come through and ask her to. Something anything is better than what we got.
Having the fn Sharkman whatever his name is jumping around Metropolis with a superman suit on, in a live service looter shooter, instead of having a full triple A Superman single player game breaks my heart…
I am baffled they did not follow more of Borderlands homework. Sure, make em all use guns as a base but actually give them a character kit that feels unique.
I agree but the traversal is clearly what they wanted to use to differentiate each character, in terms of movement everyone in borderlands is basically the same
@@marcusss7565when you develop a looter shooter who cares about the movement character abilities and different playstyles based on what character and weapons you use is imperative and a must to get it right if you want a looters shooter to be successful
@@jamescarpenter855 I get you, i personally enjoy games with good traversal so im happy we have a looter that leans into that. I’d love it if destiny or borderlands expanded their traversal
@@marcusss7565 well that's fine but when the shooting in a looters shooter is like it is in this game then the movement doesn't do enough to make a game good
@@marcusss7565 This is why I was pissed when EA screwed the pooch with Anthem. All the suits felt unique with different weapons and traversal capabilities.
What bothers me more is the fact there are still people that defend this game and saying "the hate for this game came from the people that haven't play the game"
I don't need to play trash like Ride to Hell: Retribution, Fallout 76, Anthem, Avengers, etc. to criticize it. It's a full priced game (least it was at one point), there's no demo available, it requires my money to try it, which I may regret spending, and it looks like shit. Yea no, take your gaslighting moral grandstanding BS and shove it.
@@giversinner971 It's not exactly gaslighting but you still have eyes and can tell what's wrong with a game if they use them. Heck, the story, graphics, musics and dialogue don't even need playing to be judged, you simply look at cutscenes and that's it.
Note to everyone: All the people who worked on the Arkham games left and founded Hundred Star Games while this was in development. Thats why it feels so different.
People keep pointing this out, but Rocksteady’s founders didn’t leave until October 2022, near what was supposed to be the end of Suicide Squad’s development. Suicide Squad is every bit the next game by the Arkham team, even if it looks like those devs jumped ship when they realized they were making a dud.
As gf reviews stated, “Diarrhea Christmas lights” the screen is wayyyyy too busy. My eyes just can’t do it comfortably
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I can play flashy games, Cyberpunk has lots of neon, and the combat can go crazy. DOOM games also are extremely intense. Yet watching Suicide Squad gameplay is the first time I almost threw up by a video game. And actually lots of AAA games choose this route of putting crazy amounts of particle effects all over the place and you can't see anything. Forspoken comes to my mind from last year, same ugly stuff. The rest of Suicide Squad looks very average visually for me, except some cut scenes.
Difference is doom is very intentional with its colour use. Green=armor, blue+health, red=ammo you can read the scene and enemies super fast from a glance. That's what this game and games like overwatch final to do, because they don't consider the player experince and gameplay when they add more clutter
@ It's all about design and how well it blends together. Good game-designers will make sure it's readable. But Rocksteady's people don't seem cut out to make this kind of thing and it just became a mess. - There's also things like trends, with how you have the points pop up in shooters ever since like "Modern Warfare" (the original) and in recent years all the brightly colored interfaces and having stats and a character posing next to it. - It's like they looked at other games, then threw everything at theirs. - I'm sure Zoomers are perfectly comfortable with it, but I get a headache within a few seconds, and I'm a Metalhead.
To be honest it looks awful in combat, an absolute headache inducing train wreck
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@@michaelmonstar4276talking about being metalhead, Metal: Hellsinger is also an amazing, chaotic game that I had absolutely no issue with. Yeah, readability is important, UI design is important (keep it simple, give just enough info and don't bloat the screen with it), and make the world and characters easy to distinguishable (fast paced games definitely benefits from easy to see enemies). Also particle effects in that amount is totally unnecessary and ruins readability. Being flashy, colorful, make everything look like freakin' fireworks won't make the game better or visually more appealing but it'll make it look more crowded and confusing. That and motion blur effect too.
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service a thread: ESG ----- all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion" Sweet Baby Inc ----- most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse Rocksteady ------ Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation the design is so telling as well in characters and design the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda Propaganda ----- shits on the legacies has Harley hate her own outfits of old Wonder Woman only one given a pass Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire Game Character Bios if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@Grobut81 He might have a point but it falls on deaf ears when you just spam the same thing all over the place. It should never be that serious over a game you don’t like.
I basically prayed that this wouldn't be the last thing Kevin Conroy worked on before he died. But according to so many others online, there are other projects that will feature him. So there is some solace that *this* game won't be his final curtain call.
Thats the thing, it did die but Rocksteady decided to dig it up, whack some DC wallpaper about the place and release it. I think Rocksteady had pumped so much money into this that it HAD to be released despite knowing it was going to fail. Nine years for this is an absolute tragedy.
the way this is designed makes me wonder if this started out as a battle royale. like rooftop only battles, the way the map looks, the uniformity of the guns across characters. like imagine 50 random dc villains/antihero skins running around this arena
How hard does superman have to try to lose against this line up of character? How hard is Flash holding back that he can't just run in a straight line and pull Harley's head off. Like this lineup to fight the justice league just makes no sense. Also how can you make a "justice league" and not have Aquaman and Martian Manhunter? Like every single decision is terrible, it's actually kind of impressive.
yeah I get it, if its the real Justice league they won't kill the squad because of moral grounds but these are braniac converted so why they holding up ?
Nah nah nah, you forget, silly! This is a live service, they'll sell you the Martian Manhunter and Aquaman campaigns for half the price of the full release a few more months apart after release. Truly, amazing game design 😂😂😂 Ugh, live services, amirite?
Which is crazy, because "give players free premium currency" is actually a legitimate tactic to get people to spend money. Once they get used to spending the premium currency, it's easier to justify buying some more. There's real data to this, but anecdotally, many friends of mine played league of legends for years without spending a dime until they introduced the free skins system. Once they had some skins, they were happy to spend money to get more.
Gacha games do this all the time. That's part of how the popular ones keep retention or even push you to explore new stuff. So yeah, that was a stupid idea.
@@LoliconSamalikyet if they aren’t popular which I’m guessing op’s game wasn’t, then giving away some stuff is EXACTLY how you get some fresh players in TO MAKE IT POPULAR. Seems like not giving some things away was “stupid” in this case
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service a thread: ESG ----- all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion" Sweet Baby Inc ----- most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse Rocksteady ------ Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation the design is so telling as well in characters and design the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda Propaganda ----- shits on the legacies has Harley hate her own outfits of old Wonder Woman only one given a pass Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire Game Character Bios if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products.
This commentary slightly misunderstood the Batman backlash. It’s not that Batman is a sacred cow or even about the Kevin Conroy passing. It’s the perfect storm of this being “Arkham Batman”, Kevin passing, him getting killed by a character whom he literally swatted away in previous titles, the way this game absolutely destroys the ending and canon of the Arkham series. There’s just so much more I could write here but I think everyone gets the point. This is honestly one of the most depressing gaming experiences I’ve personally ever had
I will add, it kind of messes up Harley's character. So the argument for Batman (and by association Harley) is that people shouldn't be killed because everyone should have a chance at redemption and healing. Bruce is admittingly bad at the end goal administration, but that aside. Harley is in some ways the personification of that belief. She is the young person molded and warped by a literal monster into this crazed broken murderess. In some canons, Bruce has coaxed a good person out of her. Essentially having her kill a mind controlled Batman is her spitting on that idea completely. This Harley just tacitly agreed with Injustice Superman's argument in Injustice 2 when Kara calls out diana trying to kill Harley. That she is damaged, her mind is poisoned, and for the good of everyone, she should be dead. That's a problem.
Why do studios keep trying the fortnight model... they have a captured audience and TRY very hard to keep it fresh.... some srudio could destroy it... aka palworld
In my opinion, the issue with Kill the Justice League's tone and difficulty in how "evil" the heroes are is something the entire Suicide Squad brand has been dealing with for a while because of what I would call the Harly Quinnification of the Suicide Squad and their brand. Because right now the push with both of the Suicide Squad movies, even the second one, is a lot more of a "self aware anti-hero vibe" and much more comedy-focused in a way they didn't always used to be, in addition to frequently putting them in high powered situations they're less suited for. It's one reason why guys like Captain Boomerang and Deadshot work well with the squad, being more down to Earth villains: Captain Boomerang's kind of just a slimeball who wants to get paid, Deadshot is an assassin-for-hire with a kid, you get the idea. They aren't BIG villains in the series (like Harley is / has become), because that doesn't really make sense or fit the entire team's premise. In my opinion, Task Force X from Justice League Unlimited is a strong example of how the Suicide Squad should operate, and you can see the difference. In that show, it is more about infiltration and the fact they have to be smart. To fight moreso against heroes of their own level, guys like Vigilante or Shining Knight, and characters like Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter are treated as practically loss conditions. Kill the Justice League will always have a tonal problem on the fighting aspect if it makes them straightforward in killing them, but similarly the tone around it is very different, and much less irreverent. If we're in a situation where Boomerang's gonna piss on the Flash and Harley makes light of the situation, then where's the tension? When Martian Manhunter appears in that episode, it is practically a horror episode: Descending from the sky menacingly, phasing through characters and their blows to take them out of action, only being stopped by a superpowered object they acquired in the stealth part + a threat on innocent civilians. And even that is very close. The point I'm making: They need to either be helping someone else kill the Justice League by providing support, like increasing the role of Wonder Woman for example, or to rethink the game entirely. In my opinion, it needs to be something more like a stealth action or assassination game, more Metal Gear Solid or Hitman than Gotham Knights. Going through levels avoiding Brainiac's gaze or Superman's patrol, lest he descend on you and essentially be a game over, until you can find something to deal with them. Maybe a short circuit feedback through Brainiac, an ancient artifiact like the Annihilator, getting a weakness to bring them down to their level. Maybe using other heroes to help out the Suicide Squad because why wouldn't someone like, I dunno, Captain Atom or Supergirl come in and help? Instead, it is an irreverent game with anti-heroes who only bring out the "anti" for shock value moments rather than more genuine acts of villainy, plus just the fact it has to twist a lot of stuff to get the premise and moments in the game to work (See: Green Lantern). It's all about trying to beat an idea into existence when the premise was faulty to begin with I feel.
Task Force X is basically the gold standard for Suicide Squad content. But Warner Bros. has no interest in making it that. They need the squad to be their Guardians of the Galaxy (a band of quirky misfits who never do anything seriously evil), and they need Harley Quinn to be DC's Deadpool (doesn't work because Deadpool is actually funny in his irreverence instead of just obnoxious and zany). Harley Quinn's addition to the suicide squad is where things all went to shit. She just doesn't work outside of interactions with Joker and Batman. She wasn't made to. She's Joker's sidekick, and she only functions in small doses as such. You make her a leading lady or add her to a team of people with actual superpowers or skills and it's like... "why is she even here...? Were they really so desperate for a female inclusion? Why not use Killer Frost or Jinx or someone more suitable?" WB's problem is they're chasers. They chase the next big thing, but they're too slow to actually get there when it matters.
You're right, characters like Captain Boomerang or Deadshot work better for infiltration missions and if the Suicide Squad is going to fight the Justice League, they should have a lineup designed specifically to counteract each member of the League. To defeat Superman, use Bizarro. To defeat Flash, use Reverse Flash to defeat Green Lantern, use Sinister Exsetera. Well, the fact that they use those who appeared in the game feels strange because I mean seriously, this is the best that Waler, having access to all the DC villains, could achieve because by using them, what exactly prevents Superman from burning them in the sun and automatically winning .
good analysis here. Your premise reminds me of "The Boys" tv show where all the supers are ridiculously OP. The protags of that show have to be way smarter because if they faced off directly they'd get evaporated.
you must've read my mind lol. I was thinking the same thing - especially about Wonder Woman. Way back when they first showed her in a cutscene, my immediate thought was "oh, so must be how the SS "kills the league"... like Wonder Woman must play are part in the boss fights. So basically, just like you suggested, the SS was there for support and maybe delivers the final blow to each one. But... nope. Everyone is just a big old bullet sponge. Wonder Woman doesn't factor into any boss fight at all. So many bad decisions made with this game
@@No-soy-un-bizcocho That a good idea to use other villains that match up to the League to take them out. They could've still used these 4 in the SS but had them doing support things in the boss fight instead of them just "shooting the JL member" to beat them.
Man, the disconnect between the decision makers in entertainment and the consumers has NEVER been this large before, which is ironic because we live in a world where communication has never been easier. How much money do these big studios need to lose in order for them to bridge that gap and finally start making things that people actually want to spend time with?
But what if these decision makers are not the kind of people that can genuinely see past themselves and their bank accounts? We are talking about analytical minds who deem themselves creative geniuses. Quick-witted, but unwise people. It is time to recognize the tell-tale signs of bad management.
It feels like they made Deadshot's kit first, and then went "Bah it's too hard to make 3 more unique ones based around their actual powers. Let's make them all use guns"
🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ if you watch anything that has to do with suicide squad you’ll see they use guns , even the live action movies they all have guns it’s this something you guys blindly do not see 😂😂😂😂 it’s mind boggling how you guys think that suicide squad don’t have guns
@@EchoDoctrine Lots of people don't realize this. It's like in borderlands, you have your different characters who have different skills and archetypes but they all use guns overall because that's the shared loot system
bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service a thread: ESG ----- all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion" Sweet Baby Inc ----- most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse Rocksteady ------ Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation the design is so telling as well in characters and design the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda Propaganda ----- shits on the legacies has Harley hate her own outfits of old Wonder Woman only one given a pass Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire Game Character Bios if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
I have to take a second and give skillup huge props for his intros. He lays it all out, so if like me, today, you don't have time to watch the full video but you'd like to know the general opinion, he lays it all out in 5 minutes and doesn't keep it till the very end. really appreciate that and ill be back to finish the rest
As bad as this game is it’s definitely not as bad as Saints Row. There’s absolutely nothing enjoyable in that game whatsoever. The voice acting, story, characters, graphics, gameplay, driving, mission design, everything about that game was awful. Worst game I’ve ever played is Saints Row 2022 but this game is just bad, by no means is it SR22
@Robert-rm9dg There is nothing even remotely woke about SR. It's a buggy Xbox 360 style open world game. What does 'woke' even mean to you Twitter addicted weirdos? Hell, this game is just a live service mess. It's woke because a couple of characters say a line of dialogue that hurts your fee fees?
@@hihihi1q23i think anyone who uses the term “woke” unironically is still at a point in their personal/internal growth where anything they encounter that challenges how they’ve thought/felt up until that point makes them uncomfortable. It’s a lot easier to label something that’s derived in a of fear of change than it is to empathize with something or someone that feels differently than they do. Incredibly disappointing state of humanity atm
"Lost my footage" ... and the game was so bad, but so bad, I couldn't even replay that aberration again, so I borrowed clips from others. You're a wise man.
bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service a thread: ESG ----- all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion" Sweet Baby Inc ----- most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse Rocksteady ------ Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation the design is so telling as well in characters and design the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda Propaganda ----- shits on the legacies has Harley hate her own outfits of old Wonder Woman only one given a pass Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire Game Character Bios if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@marcusclark1339It's amazing how someone can watch Ralph's nuanced analysis on why this game is as bad as it is and still manage to fart out a full schizopost blaming "le woke agenda". Actual brainrot, you guys are too far gone
@@marcusclark1339 It is truly heartwarming to see you so triggered by inclusion initiatives while you completely ignore the fact that a push for liveservice garbage, and not what you're ranting about, is what ruined this game.
@@marcusclark1339"bastardization of ideals like cop = bad" Cops ARE bad. That's not a bastardisation of anything. Hell, it's a core concept in many superhero stories.
Man borderlands 2 was really the peak of looter shooter games. Characters that had unique abilities, with a main villain who is honestly still one of the best in the industry. Guns with variations that made them feel different, different elemental values to the guns that were affective against different enemy types. Different factions like the psycho’s, Hyperion and the wildlife. The world which felt so vast and diverse. It was really such a good game
Warframe is so far the only other looter shooter to do it right. Good free storyline, fun gameplay with good melee and gunplay, completely free updates that could easily be paid DLCs.
I really wanted an Ivy game where you have a choice to save or slay the city like Infamous. I wanna vine swing around with a little flower helicopter jetpack and throw sleep grenades or whatever
How is there a "next scene" after killing SUPERMAN? Where could the story possibly go from there? I mean, yeah, killing brainiac, but who cares about that chump when you've just killed SUPERMAN? Do Rocksteady even know who these characters are?
Rocksteady hired a consulting firm that advocates woke ideology and writing, Superman is a strong White male with very little flaws, this is the no.1 enemy of the woke...
I actually didn’t even know the justice league existed in the Arkham universe. To think about all the BS that happened with none of them stepping in to help out Batman, is kind of mind mowing. Like at some point it should’ve become national news what was going on and someone should’ve dropped by to help.
I wondered this since reading the full title of this game. I assume this isn't canon? so where does this game go? you kill all of the "strongest" superheroes in the universe and then you are done? At least make it an attempt to kill these guys, not so finite that you run out of anything to do.
Rocksteady should have been the ones to make Gotham Knights. A co-op game where we play as members of the Bat Family post Arkham Knight would have been a guaranteed success and a great continuation to the Arkhamverse.
Oh boy, now we get onto my favorite part: The Executive Developer/Publisher "We're sorry the game was not where we wanted to be and we let you down." Letter probably crafted in some part by AI. It's that promise of making the game better and then just sundowning it as fast as possible that really gets me excited!
That's due to Paul Dini, a well-established Batman writer, who was the writer for Arkham Asylum and Arkham City. For Arkham Knight, Rocksteady wanted to stick to in-house talent.
It really feels like Rocksteady had a concept of a looter shooter with high jump traversal and a Suicide Squad license to make a game of and they just mashed those two together without thought. You could replace these characters with literally anything and I don't think anyone would bat an eye.
We found the it bois, the worst take yet on this game. How is it a game can suck so bad, yet nobody understands why it sucks, even after watching an extremely good opinion of why it sucks. You still come here and post nonsense.
how can you see with all that on the screen?!?! i mean i realize you can turn it off but who in their right mind thought that having a christmas tree all over your screen would be a good idea? Crazy how this is from the arkham team. just effing crazy
The part that makes Batman's death bad is that supposedly up to this point Batman MIGHT have already been dead because it is canonically the same one from the Arkham series...if his death in Arkham Knight was how it happened okay...but the writers revived him explaining away his death as a "no he faked it and joined the Justice League" and then they killed him in the worst way possible for shock value...
He did mention shock value in the review. I think when we complained about this particular narrative decision the most (for obvious reasons), the studio very much latched onto it and tried to make it seem like we're just butthurt fans. I like how it was phrased in this video because it doesn't allow them the luxury of trying to steer the conversation in that direction. "You don't get to tell us how Kevin felt!", sure, we don't, but we are allowed to say how WE FELT, right? We felt that it was a cheap shot (No pun intended).
Seriously, what's up with these big ass gaming companies spending millions to develop a game and not make sure that the game will be good? The amount of money they will lose doing such practice is huge. It's like they don't want to get profit at all.
Monitisation cos the whales will always buy these trash games and fill there pockets unfortantly this year in 1 month alone there as been more layoff of devs then the whole of 2023. And more to game as the gamers start thinking at last with there wallets and not buying into all these trashing microtransction filled garbage
Yeah from a business perspective there's definitely some sort of weird disconnect there that just shouldn't be happening with this sort of thing. Its really kind of bizarre when you stand back and look at it. The scale of it all is nuts.
It's a gamble. A gamble they are willing to take because even a modicum of success can yield profits far, far in excess of that which almost any single box price game can yield. When you have game as fundamentally awful as Diablo Immortal making money hand over fist there is no surprise in the appeal of such a monetisation model. Supposedly that game made $525 million in its first year... and still making a few million every month. Do you know or have you ever met anybody that plays that game? Even those that fail typically don't always lose ALL of their money and typically recoup at least some, if not the majority or all, development costs (this game probably won't though...but some do). So whilst the potential carrot of massive untold riches remains there will always be those greedy execs whose eyes spin in their sockets and their nether regions get moist at the prospect of huge financial gain and force their studios into taking a punt at trying to make that sort of game. This trash will probably be strung out until it's made as much as they can get out of it and then be canned, the same as many that have gone before it.
I recently started a new save of Arkham Asylum and I cannot believe how well it holds up in 2024. It is legitimately saddening to see that this is their follow up to such a brilliant trilogy.
That was a nuanced thought at the beginning of the video. Rocksteady weren't just phoning this game in; they went in with some good ideas. Unfortunately, those ideas were drowned out by horrible ideas they couldn't just fix like that. The backlash from the beginning, where it was revealed this was a live-service game, was the first example. They went quiet to try and salvage things, but the problem is that the issue people had was the core of the game. The live-service model couldn't be replaced without having to scrap the whole thing and start over. Then there was the decision to have all the characters use guns instead of abilities and weapons suited to their characters. Again, they would have to rework the game to fix this problem. The one problem people have that they absolutely could've fixed was having this be a follow-up to Arkham Knight. That's the biggest reason people are so mad about Batman's death. This is the same Batman we played as for four games; a complete badass we made. Having Suicide Squad be in its own universe, with its own Batman and Justice League, would've made this less painful. With making the Justice League evil, what they could've done instead was have the brainwashing convince them that Brainiac is the good guy, and everyone else has been infected by a hate plague of some kind. They're still fundamentally the same characters, but now they're fighting for justice for Brainiac. Sort of how like DCAU Superman was brainwashed into fighting for Darkseid because he was convinced Darkseid raised him. Any evil deeds they do would be motivated by desperation, and we see them starting to break as the brainwashing convinces them they NEED to do these things. And then it could be that they do something so against their morals that the brainwashing starts breaking down, making them less effective. Also, the point about how Suicide Squad's endgame is terrible, and people saying it's alright considering other games had terrible endgames. It makes me think about all the advances Destiny 1 made through its expansions, until you had a pretty great game by the end, and when Destiny 2 came out they had gotten rid of so much of these changes. Destiny 2 may have been better than Destiny 1 when they both started, but why did we need to spend time waiting for it to get back to the Taken King or Rise of the Machines level of quality? I don't want a better game in 5 years time; I want it on launch.
I think that the most frustrating thing about this game is how much promise is inherent in the premise of "killing the Justice League". It is absolutely mind blowing that Rocksteady started with this interesting concept, and then proceeded to do NOTHING with it except offer cheap shocks and underwhelming narrative conclusions. It's doubly frustrating when I see people online complaining about the way the deaths of the Flash or Batman are handled, and then a swarm of cheerleaders flock to the comments to offer the ever unhelpful "iTs CaLlEd KiLl ThE jUsTiCe LeAgUe WhAt DiD yOu ExPeCt???". Like, yes I can read the title. My problem is not with the premise. My problem is that they don't do anything interesting with it.
The idea of having the rag tag Suicide Squad actually having the capability to beat and kill the Justice League was stupid from the start. They're literally going against gods/demigods. That's like having Luke Cage, Ironfist, Hawkeye, and Jessica Jones team up to go against Thor, Captain Marvel, Ironman, and Captain America.
If they did it in a creative way it could have made sense. You slowly recruit other members of the Justice League to fight against each other like summons or some shit. Or just simply recruited Batman for his contingency plans. Sounds like that was nothing like how it went though lol
Rocksteady hasn't been Rocksteady since Arkham City: people forget how disappointing Arkham Knight was. The Deathstroke fight is in a *tank?!* Clearly this is THAT Rocksteady.
Arkham Knight was largely a dissappointment because it was a sequel to two phenomenal games - It's going to look weak by comparison, but Knight was a good game all things considered @@AmanojakuX
Sweet Baby Inc are just story consultants, though. Bag on them for cringe writing or whatever, but they have nothing to do with the game design: live-service, no end-game, repetitious activities, etc. -- that's all Rocksteady (or "Rocksteady" if you prefer.)@@MegamanXfan21xx
If nothing else, with this game's inevitable failure, hopefully more people will give it a go since it got so overlooked. I probably should comp myself. Speaking of which I think I'll go check out Skillup's review of it if he's got one.
Why didn't they do Zelda dungeon levels with interesting puzzle mechanics, with puzzles requiring each squad members specific abilities, in between the action of course.. Where the heroes are looking for a key item they need to take down one of the big guys. Like Kryptonite at the end of a dungeon. That Dungeon having a lesser hero as a boss. Defeating the lesser hero doesn't kill them, but frees them of Brainiac's mind control. Or something like that. And some people defend the guns on all heroes thing.. Nah they totally could have had class specific weapon drops. Boomerangs, big melee weapons for Shark, grenades and gadgets and hammers/mallets for Harley...
Boomerang would never piss on Flash’s corpse as he doesn’t hate him. I know it’s a different universe and a different canon as a result but it seems really dumb to take the most interesting part about Flash and his rogues (their surprising rapport) and make it the standard distain. That said the people who wrote this game seemingly don’t even have any reverence for the previous games in *this* universe let alone the source material.
It would have taken about one day of research to learn the basics about the Rogues, their code, and their relationship with Flash. They're not Gotham villains ffs. If I'd designed this game, I'd give Captain Boomerang a boomerang moveset based on the other Rogue's tech. Make it clear Flash killed the others, and Capt Boomerang is out for revenge.
A great suicide squad game would be a perm death rogue like, with a huge list of villains that once all used up you gotta start again but stats stay for each individual character per run. When no one seemingly dies makes the suicide squad element pointless.
This was my thought exactly. Have it play like ror2 or something and I'd have a squad of 4, which you can get more villains to choose from later, and when your whole squad dies your run ends. Make the Justice League super hard and fun but if you get a really good run you might have a chance. It can still be story based, look at Hades or probably a better example would be like children of morta. Make all the items based of the WIDE dc universe and let's say superman can only be beaten by kryptonite damage on top of being strong so you need kryptonite items and suck, lex Luther has a shop to sell kryptonite items and if you beat the game or do a certain quest then lex is a playable character. Hell if they really want the guns they could've made it more like borderlands, or enter the gungeon if we want a shooter rogue like.
Yeah this definitely would’ve worked a lot better, or if they were gonna do it like this, they could’ve made the skill tree’s actually worth leveling and instead of Wonder Woman be the sole survivor, batman would’ve made 100x more sense. I can go on about how this game could’ve been amazing lol
@@thelaughingrouge That PC port was bad sure, the game itself was very good so completyely flawed logic there and boring is extremely subjective as everything in that game is still incredibly well made. Arkham Knight has aged like a fine wine even on PC as the story gameplay and visuals are incredible. This Game is a joke and the developers are different than the originals yet they've lied and coined the term ''from the creators of the Arkham Series''
I would love it if a game reviewer talked about how much value the "Gliding" mechanic in Arkham series games adds to that game. In the Arkham games, as you "Glide" above the city as Batman, the action of the game slows down and you focus on the city. You examine the city streets and listen to your enemies. As you glide, you choose your next move. But in the Suicide Squad game (the same was largely true for Gotham Knights), since moving from one place to another is in the form of instantaneous teleportation, jumping and swinging, we cannot examine the city and the enemies, we feel like we are jumping around in an amusement park without a plan. I wish the mechanics of moving from place to place in Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad had creative ideas that gave the opportunity to study the city from the sky for a while. It's a difference that you don't talk about much, but I think it's a very important difference and they couldn't notice it in both games.
i'll give it 2 say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service a thread: ESG ----- all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion" Sweet Baby Inc ----- most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse Rocksteady ------ Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation the design is so telling as well in characters and design the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda Propaganda ----- shits on the legacies has Harley hate her own outfits of old Wonder Woman only one given a pass Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire Game Character Bios if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
God every screencap of this game in gameplay looks like those parodies of installing a bunch of Gmod addons so you have six HUDs and the whole screen is just "noise."
Want a game where u can play as 4 different characters where u need to stop an alien invasion. Well then how about the Earth Defense Force series, it has: - 4 different characters/classes to play as - variety of enemies with good A.I - good loot to collect - fun explosive gameplay - a ridiculous but fun story to go through
I Think people just wanted a good DC game. Love EDF but it's not the target audience. Idk how they missed making a Superman game, maybe in an alternative universe , a superman game is release to critical aclaim.
yup say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service a thread: ESG ----- all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion" Sweet Baby Inc ----- most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse Rocksteady ------ Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation the design is so telling as well in characters and design the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda Propaganda ----- shits on the legacies has Harley hate her own outfits of old Wonder Woman only one given a pass Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire Game Character Bios if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
The only thing wrong with them killing off Batman is that this is THE SAME Batman from the Arkham games. Had this been an entirely new version of the character I wouldnt have cared, but they low key tarnished the legacy of Arkham Batman by having this be his end point. Genuinely sad and a little depressing to think that the same Batman we played as who saved Gotham City in Arkham Knight went on to become mind controlled and forced to break every sacred rule he ever had, including the murdering of innocent people, before being executed on a park bench by Harley Quinn 💀 Good thing we have head cannon, because theres no way I can accept that this is actually the same Batman from the Arkham games.
I mean, if they'd killed him with some dignity it probably would have been alright as well, even if it is Arkham Batman. People would've been reposting the clips and been swamped with comments fill to the brim with 😢 and 😭 emojis all telling their stories about how cool the scene was and what their first experiences with the Arkham games were and stuff. Have you ever seen the clip of Sam Fisher vaguely acknowledging the death of Snake? It's super short, but there's respect for the Metal Gear franchise in it and the fans in the comments all love and cherish that. We could have had that here, overall quality of the game be damned, but instead we got a whole load of nothing that, for many, borders on disrespect.
@@conspiracypanda1200 I think a more dignified ending would be if the end cutscene shows the Squad working together to slowly wear him down, but he fends them off long enough to grab Harley's pistol, point it at her... and the fact he was about to shoot someone like the mugger did breaks through the brainwashing. Not enough to truly be free, but enough that he can control himself. He hands the gun over to Harley and tells her to do it before he kills anyone else. She takes the shot, and at flash we are shown a still image of young Bruce walking alongside his parents, Bruce now reunited with them in death.
Honestly, saying this was a different universe would've been so much easier for them. No need to explain that the Deadshot from Arkham was a faker; no need to try and figure out how Batman went from Knightfall Protocol to a member of the Justice League; No need to explain how Poison Ivy or Joker came back. And it's not like they'd need to explain anything about most of the important characters this way either. At this point, the people most interested in this game know who the Justice League are. They know Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Deadshot, Harley, and Amanda Waller. I really don't know why they didn't just set this in it's own universe.
Great review as always! Just wanted to point out that the « starter versions » of those store outfits comes from pre ordering any version of the game. The pack is not part of the deluxe edition, the Justice League themed outfits are! Those are also not available in the store as of now.
When the Rocksteady devs said: "What are we, some sort of Career Suicide Squad?" and got ordered to develop this game, it was truly one of the moments of all time!
If there's any Flash rogue I would've hired to kill the Flash, it would have been the guy with the gun that slows down the Flash, not Captain fucking Boomerang.
Actually they could still do that. Apparently there are 13 Braniacs to stop. Each season will have a new Braniac and a new Suicide Squad (Next Season Joker is confirmed as 1 of them) Its probably not going to last more then 3 or 4 seasons tho.
The Suicide Squad in this game is too small. Usually there is at least 5 to 8 members at a time for a mission. They should have put some heavy hitters like Clayface, Enchantress, Black Manta, a random speedster, or any other character with super powers. King Shark is the only one with super powers on the team.
@@rascoehunter3608 Deadshot makes sense because he’s an expert marksman and can use heavy duty guns with special equipment designed to stop bad guys. Boomerang and Harley have no reason to be there. Harley never shows herself to be intelligent aside from the one plot contrived moment near the end of the game.
They should add series of gold coins on all those rooftops, doing ding-ding-ding when you collect them. Then movement part of the game will look completed.
I am sure Sweet baby inc went down there in the studio and told the devs to make the characters use guns only, make it a live service, insert a shitty store, only allow one type of enemy etc. don't shift the blame of the game's failure on them cause you sound like a conspiracy theorist who thinks there's only one evil and it's this company.
Am I crazy in wondering why the hell anyone even thought we would want this in 2024? Like, from it's narrative down to the gameplay, this game feels so stuck in the 2010s. (Most likely due to the decade long dev cycle.) I'm so over an evil Justice League. Injustice came out in fucking 2013, and the idea wasn't even super interesting then. We could've gotten a genuine JL game that shows why they're such a good team. Instead we got the Division a decade after people stopped caring about the Division, with the most uninteresting interpretation of some of my favorite heroes Ive ever seen. And on top of that they've completely killed any chance at fleshing out the wider Arkham univers
Who ever the writers were didn't do any research on the justice league or they're powers. So man plot holes. Diana being the only one to get a heroic end instead of the character that put them on the map is even more insane.
Yeah from the start of the trailers when Diana has flash captured and he tells them they need to be killed is the only point that has some impact to it. It would be nice to feel some sort of empathy for the heroes we are being forced to kill.
Wow I can't wait to see the 18-month roadmap that gets abandoned in 3 for this one. At this point the only interest these games have for me is seeing what the company says on the Twitter apology card.
Idk why they didn't just set this game in an alternate timeline or something. Having this be the terminus for Batman from the Arkham series just spits on and sours what was an emotionally satisfying sendoff from the original games.
Ghost of Tsushima did it perfect, amazing story and gameplay, amazing detailed world, incredible abilities and armor, boss battles that were epic. Then the multi-player, suckerpunch hit gold with that game, its was great for a live service model, each class had their specialty and abilities, it had a hard raid that was creative. If I was sony, I would go for suckerpunch for their live service, not this shit.
One of the most incredible multi-player modes ever and even was marketed separately from the main game so I ended up hearing about it since I don't play single player games often post-Infamous. 9/10 just needed more stuff
exactly this. Ghost of Tsushima is the gold standard. A solid single-player mode with combat built for that and later on a FREE MP. Sunk so many hours on that game. A combat system is impacted by if it's designed for SP or MP. But studios don't learn.
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it has all the originality of killing comic book heroes en masse, quippy humor and multiverse shenanigans.
as in none at all.
This game is an insult to Kevin Conroy/Batman and the decades of work the man put into that role! This game just took a massive dump on the Batman Arkham games! Total disgrace!
R.I.P Kevin Conroy
you are completly wrong no one has said its lazy or un ambitious. the game is a terrible story that what people are talking aboout . it feminist to the max it is one of the most racist games ive ever seen. its terrible and the things you said to start the video are you r opinon but they are competyly wrong. the story and even the gameplay and even how it looks is terrrible. go look at how harley looks in the arkham games then get back to me about presentation. dude she looks awful. and you think this is good presentation? dead shot is race swapped dude. this is one of the most racist and blatent disrepespectful games ive ever seen . you need to really read the room no one has said this was lazy or phoned in no one has said that you just litrerally made it up
You know this is a pointless bias review when the reviewer doesn't understand who the intended audience this game is marketed for nor does he read the details of what the game is. The games website site specifically detail it's a third person action shooter. No point of bringing that Rocksteady has been a notoriously a game studio that works on action combat story driven games. This game isn't a combat 3rd person game. It's a third person action shooter. Totally bi-polar opposite of what they are.
@@javierlandaverde4108the intended audience is a handful of hamsterwheel addicts that are already hooked on other games.
go hide behind subjectivity somewhere else.
I just can't get over Captain Boomerang blasting goons with a shotgun. Like come on the man has exactly one character trait
Imagine they met him throw boomerang based on gun type like assassin creed origin
Should have called him Captain Australia.
He should've been throwing rhe actual shotgun like it's a boomerang
All the good live service games like Deep Rock or Warhammer4k: Darktide have 4 unique classes that are not interchangeable on the ability or weapon level. Each class is genuinely unique. Darktide has the Ogryn class, who is tall and tanky but slow. The Psyker class plays nothing like him, which is a ranger magic class. The devs at Rocksteady seriously lack creativity.
@@wahahabuh or he could shoot tiny little boomerang bullets? 🤔
see you in 6 months when WB reports that: "due to changing market conditions we have been forced to take the regretful decision of downsizing Rocksteady and will have to layoff 50% of the studio"
6 months ? More like 3 weeks
pleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrongpleasebewrong...
Sad but true!😢
You forgot them cancelling support for the game and delisting it.
WB should be downsizing, not rocksteady. I put the blame squarely on WB for pushing it and expecting it to work.
The fact the preorder ultimate edition skins are only starter versions of skins you have to pay more money for is genuinely disgusting
The whole thing is gross. Clearly loot boxes were definitely going to be a thing until the outrage of that hit. The whole game just screams monetization regardless of how much they may have pulled back.
Defund rocksteady
yup its egregious, predatory, unethical and amoral yet they want to tout their "diversity and inclusion" by performative pride icons and logos in the game world, really shows the emotional manipulation tactics on display
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
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all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
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Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
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shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
If they could charge to reload your weapon, they would. We are dealing with some of the greediest people in history and I understand the need for companies to make money but when it becomes all about the money then the gamers suffer.
Wait WHAT? you only get the starter skins? You don't get a voucher to own all the skins?? Haibo brother. That's messed up 😢
Ready Player One comes to mind where in the movie, the guys says. "We can take up 80% of the visual field before inducing seizures"...or something like that. That UI is horrendous
It takes a special kind of awful to make Ready Player One a positive example of anything. Edit: by positive, I meant effective.
@@CityofButterflyHey, the books were far better than the movie…
I said exactly this a couple weeks ago.
It's okay guys. We can wait another 8 years for Rocksteady to try again.
I'm out 😆
I’ll be surprised if they’ll still be around in 8 months…
No thanks its not the same and if sweet baby inc is involved during the development process again, itll just be another waste of time.
How do you think this works? They just get another chance? Clowns these days rip into a studio so hard they close down then act like they have no idea why anyone would close said studio down and cry and wish it was still around
The people who made the Arkham trilogy all left the company
So I wouldn’t mind if Rocksteady burns to the ground
Maybe it's because I'm getting old but watching that gameplay footage was just exhausting. How can people look at this visual mess and not feel disoriented after a minute or so? 😵💫
That's been gaming for me for at least a year now lol
It’s both getting older and the industry aiming to appease those who grew up with smart devices and apps/games that have constant visual clutter.
It’s all about that dopamine hit brother. Gotta see dem big numbers and gotta get all that colorful loot. Everyone wants to be Fortnite.
The art style has the cohesion of a Live Service game 2 years into it's "cycle" it looks like Fortnite..
I just turned off the numbers and it's fine
Suicide Squad is the type of game you see on sale for 9.99$ after a bunch of updates and still have to think about buying.
At this point just wait for it to go free on ps plus or Xbox live
Not really tho.. Since there are actual good games out there on the market... I won't be spending 9.99$ for a bad game with a cash shop and battlepass.. I would not play it if it was free.
Nothing to think about, wouldnt play it for free
wont be playing this even if they pay me to
Its could be free and I wouldnt play it.
So many things are popping up on the gameplay screen I half expect to see a “Congrats, you won a free iPad!” ad
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can choose to turn ecah thing off in the settings
@@FeganFloopThat just tells me the UI designers knew at the end of the day that's it's a mess, and had little time to change it.
It's a lil' nice though, gotta admit.
@dagda1180 I mean unless they got positive and negative reception during play testing and decided to add the option to change it if you want
@alargecorgi2199that’s not what he said? He praised the city design, but pointed out that you get no opportunity to actually explore that because everything you do is on rooftops.
Forcing SUPERvillains to rely on guns...against bulletproof characters seems so bizarre
Would it help if they actually use anti metahuman tech to take down each Hero?
@@Vonboon11dyOther people have suggested using other villians to take down the league like: Bizzaro for Superman, Reverse Flash for the Flash, Sinestro for Green lantern or have Wonder Woman Play play some kind of part in each boss fight. Then Suicide Squad is there support type stuff during the fight.
@@fullmetalvash then this wouldn’t be a suicide squad game 😂
@@superQman600 if you write it right, it absolutely would still be a Suicide Squad game.
I really wish that every game has to be a live service era would just end. It really sucks seeing more and more single player developers make projects that are designed around the opposite of what they’re used to making.
It has. Sony majorly backtracked on their live service plans. More and more non live service games are blowing up.
@@NoName...... Sony realising that going full live service is not going to work.
pretty sure it already ended, the live service games that survived are already settled.
this game just got delayed too much.
Fr, it's such a gamble, sure you have a mega slim chance of getting a lightning in a bottle moment like fortnite or call of duty but a way higher chance of fizzling out and getting taken offline
I think that's a Metal Arms avatar? One of my favorite games.
This game is not gonna last 13 Seasons what is Rocksteady really thinking…
It's funny enough they assume our interests is going to be maintained for that long
Warner Bros put a bullet through Rocksteady's head forcing them to make this live service game.
@@juniormphahlele9053man this is gonna backfire so hard.
They were thinking, nah, that takes too much energy.
Right? The game only has 10k players on Steam at this very moment. This game is quite literally dead on arrival.
Im 23 years old and feel like I'm too old to deal with all of the effects, numbers, pop-ups etc. in gameplay
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I’m 31 years old, and I feel the same mate. I’ve been through this same exact bullshit loop for far too long.
I'm 15 and I feel the same lmao
There are moments where 70% of the screen is filled with effects. I doubt anyone can enjoy not seeing the game they play
I'm 3 and I feel the same lmao
It baffles me how WB has access to the Nemesis system and Rocksteady and they cannot make a good game.
Cause old devs are gone, these are just diversity hire hacks
Well, it’s been rumours about Wonder Woman game with Nemesis system. But after Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad I doubt a good game will be released
What are you baffled about? They are supposedly using it to make Wonder Woman.
@@VGFightSchool It being announced at the time this game released means it'll be the same team. "From the makers who made Suicide squad"
@@TheUltimateHacker007no, the wonder woman game is from the studio that made Shadow of Mordor, not Rocksteady
I want to know who in the hell directed a studio renowned for their visceral, crunchy, satisfying melee combat to make a looter shooter. That person has got to be on drugs.
Sounds just like Bioware when they released Anthem.
They just saw Prototype and Fortnite and said "let's combine them".
You can say the same thing about CDPR with Cyberpunk or Blizzard with Overwatch. Devs sometimes want to make new type of games.
@@Tallborn5except, Cyberpunk is not live service bs
@@tartatovskylive service part was probably the publisher. I will say it sort of became obvious that the devs wanted to try something different they added a M61 vulcan gun to their stealth/action game.
The UI clutter on the screen looks like those "if elden ring was made by ubisoft" parody Photoshops people were making
Seriously! I don't care about all the crybabies who are wetty-upsetty that Batman gets killed and stuff, I'm just shocked no one is talking more about all the VISUAL GARBAGE on the screen at seemingly all times. Really looks like it'd be a dealbreaker for me if there's no way to minimize it. It makes Borderlands look subtle and grounded by comparison.
@@PlusOneMacieyou can literally customize the size and placement of all hud elements so not sure what your complaint is about
@@lotus2001 dude such a minute detail that no one would know without touching the game, acting as if that's common knowledge lol
fr. The only thing you need is that bottom left part and the minimap is fine I guess
@@lotus2001 That doesn't make the complaint any less valid. Rocksteady designed this to be the default. That means actual hours and effort went into it, and if you buy this game, you are paying for this UI.
Even if you didn't buy the game, you can still complain about it. Just because something is optional, that doesn't excuse it from criticism.
The good: The cut scenes look pretty most of the time.
The bad: everything else.
My take on another comment is that the script feels like it was written for the Squad to be facing an "Injustice" style assortment of truly evil heroes. Not a group of previously good, mind controlled heroes.
It seems like Rocksteady wanted to have their cake and eat it too. With the edginess of killing the good JL heroes we know and love, while having them be plainly evil enough to root for the Squad against them, minimizing any chance the player might feel bad for having to kill them.
I think you're spot-on with this. To me, it also feels like the game has an identity crisis when it comes to the tone.
All the bad comic book writing tropes in one package. Such garbage. Hope the animators and 3d modellers find a better studio to work for, because their talented is wasted on incompetent CEO's and writers.
I 2 months we will already see headlines "wb games fires 50% of rocksteady staff." get out while you can for greener pastures.
Having this take place in the Injustice universe would’ve been actually interesting, and a much better choice.
Would've worked much better if Braniac had developed a dimensional key and swapped the JLA with the Crime Syndicate. Those guys are evil.
Personally, my speculation is that if you look at when this game was greenlit, it was at a very specific time: a time when WB was hyping up the Suicide Squad and the Justice League as rival teams, when the DCEU, though clearly troubled, was still making motions towards a grand plan, and when Destiny was at the height of its prowess. Nowadays, there isn't a Suicide Squad or Justice League comic on the stands, the DCEU is completely dead and buried (and they'll be very lucky if superhero films as a whole survive the next five years), and live service is one of the most hated terms in the industry. Under those circumstances, a game like this feels tone-deaf: less like a celebration, more a mercenary piss on the grave.
Warner Bros: "Fine! What's 9 more years? I can always start again, make another live service cash grab."
I See what you did there
"Think, gamedevs, think!"
"What´s 10 more years? We can always start again, find another gamedev company."
ROFL! Oh my goodness!
Can they do it with no money?
Because that's what they are aiming for!😡
@@Herowebcomics bro its WB, they are always whoring themselves out to companies for money
The saddest part is you can see dim flickers of Rocksteady's genius buried beneath all of the bad/poor decisions made. Rest in Peace Rocksteady, we’ll remember you for the Arkham trilogy, mostly.
The saddest part are these smarty, ingratiating, and ignorant comments.
Leave the multi million dollar company alone lookin ass@mrwakacorp
Yeah, like say the few good bits of how Batman was handled. Seeing him just glaring at you from afar before vanishing is genuinely fantastic. The only thing that could make it better is if he'd say something eerie over the radio to signify he's watching you then you'd be stuck desperately trying find him.
@@mrwakacorp
Like yours?
@@asain3586 No. Like the one above. You know the one I replied to with my statement. You're a bit challenged aren't you honey?
As a lifelong, DC superhero fan it really makes me sad that this game is going down the road that it is. I don’t understand the obsession with making bad guys good and good guys bad. I think people would fall head over heels for a well-made superman game, where he’s actually the good guy for the first time in a decade.
I mean Arkham Harley lecturing Batman on moralty? Arham Harley is a very evil version of teh character, she killed kids canonically, helped Joker torture Jason, and killed thousands for fun.
The writers brushed all of this off like nothing.
It's only a demo really, but highly recommend you check out Undefeated. Very cool proof-of-concept. I also really like how your "health" is the city since you're sposed to be...Well, basically Superman
@@wesleysnipes7492 I'm gonna check it out asap. Thanks.
What's crazy is I have zero interest in this game, but I watched the whole review because I enjoy hearing your breakdowns of what's good and what doesn't work and why it doesn't work.
I routinely do the same...SkillUp and ACG get watched regardless of content.
I watched cos he was actually very positive in the preview and I wondered what changed.
There are several reviewers that are very good at breaking down the game design in a way that is easy to understanding and genuinely interesting, SkillUp is one of the best at this. I always watch their stuff (Ralph and Austin are both good at this, so I'm including them both) when I'm curious about game design, even if I'm not interested in the game itself.
The live service model and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
it's all Destiny 1's fault e.e
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz Nah this all stems from one thing, paid horse armor. That's the catalyst to all the scummy practices like this bullshit
Aka capitalism. Seeking the absolute maximum profit at all times at the expense of everything else.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz I remember how bright-eyed and optimistic the original Destiny 1 promo material was. Wonder if any Destiny devs have ever thought about what they've wrought on the gaming industry lol
Exactly it's killing the industry (also based marianne enjoyer)
Suicide squad; kill the resume of a once great studio
Their claim to fame is making one good game four times
They made 3 games, and each one was innovative compared to the last.@@kylerclarke2689
@@kylerclarke2689 I would have taken that one good game a 5th time in a heart beat over this trash.
blame sweet baby, woke company that had hand in this train wreck, why Spiderman 2 and God of war 2 had woke themes
That's actually the new name of the studio: Professional suicide squad
That scene where the flash has a brief moment of clarity with wonder woman was actually impactful, why the hell didn’t they do one for every hero? It’s just so strange that only Barry got to have one, you would think batman, THE batman that rocksteady made would have that honor.
They had the perfect set up for it with Harley. She could have said how much it sucked that he wasn't the real batman. And even say something to the effect, is the real batman still in there somewhere because she knows all her words are wasted on the corrupted version. And she can end him with respect and remark on how she is saving the real bats. Or have the real batman come through and ask her to. Something anything is better than what we got.
From rocksteady to rockbottom
Having the fn Sharkman whatever his name is jumping around Metropolis with a superman suit on, in a live service looter shooter, instead of having a full triple A Superman single player game breaks my heart…
Same
I am baffled they did not follow more of Borderlands homework. Sure, make em all use guns as a base but actually give them a character kit that feels unique.
I agree but the traversal is clearly what they wanted to use to differentiate each character, in terms of movement everyone in borderlands is basically the same
@@marcusss7565when you develop a looter shooter who cares about the movement character abilities and different playstyles based on what character and weapons you use is imperative and a must to get it right if you want a looters shooter to be successful
@@jamescarpenter855 I get you, i personally enjoy games with good traversal so im happy we have a looter that leans into that. I’d love it if destiny or borderlands expanded their traversal
@@marcusss7565 well that's fine but when the shooting in a looters shooter is like it is in this game then the movement doesn't do enough to make a game good
@@marcusss7565 This is why I was pissed when EA screwed the pooch with Anthem. All the suits felt unique with different weapons and traversal capabilities.
What bothers me more is the fact there are still people that defend this game and saying "the hate for this game came from the people that haven't play the game"
Ikr. Companies served them garbages and they kept gobbling it up
And they’re right and I’m sure you bother them as well freak
I don't need to play trash like Ride to Hell: Retribution, Fallout 76, Anthem, Avengers, etc. to criticize it. It's a full priced game (least it was at one point), there's no demo available, it requires my money to try it, which I may regret spending, and it looks like shit. Yea no, take your gaslighting moral grandstanding BS and shove it.
@@giversinner971 It's not exactly gaslighting but you still have eyes and can tell what's wrong with a game if they use them. Heck, the story, graphics, musics and dialogue don't even need playing to be judged, you simply look at cutscenes and that's it.
I mean, it's kinda fair, I haven't played it and never will, but I can look at a trash fire and say "Wow that trash is on fire," all the same.
Note to everyone: All the people who worked on the Arkham games left and founded Hundred Star Games while this was in development. Thats why it feels so different.
So it's a similar situation to Three Fields Entertainment or Embark Studios
That’s why “from the studio that made *critically acclaimed game*” means nothing to me anymore.
Not everyone
Yes but they laid the groundwork for this game before they took off
People keep pointing this out, but Rocksteady’s founders didn’t leave until October 2022, near what was supposed to be the end of Suicide Squad’s development. Suicide Squad is every bit the next game by the Arkham team, even if it looks like those devs jumped ship when they realized they were making a dud.
As gf reviews stated, “Diarrhea Christmas lights” the screen is wayyyyy too busy. My eyes just can’t do it comfortably
I can play flashy games, Cyberpunk has lots of neon, and the combat can go crazy. DOOM games also are extremely intense. Yet watching Suicide Squad gameplay is the first time I almost threw up by a video game. And actually lots of AAA games choose this route of putting crazy amounts of particle effects all over the place and you can't see anything. Forspoken comes to my mind from last year, same ugly stuff. The rest of Suicide Squad looks very average visually for me, except some cut scenes.
Difference is doom is very intentional with its colour use. Green=armor, blue+health, red=ammo
you can read the scene and enemies super fast from a glance.
That's what this game and games like overwatch final to do, because they don't consider the player experince and gameplay when they add more clutter
@ It's all about design and how well it blends together. Good game-designers will make sure it's readable. But Rocksteady's people don't seem cut out to make this kind of thing and it just became a mess. - There's also things like trends, with how you have the points pop up in shooters ever since like "Modern Warfare" (the original) and in recent years all the brightly colored interfaces and having stats and a character posing next to it. - It's like they looked at other games, then threw everything at theirs. - I'm sure Zoomers are perfectly comfortable with it, but I get a headache within a few seconds, and I'm a Metalhead.
To be honest it looks awful in combat, an absolute headache inducing train wreck
@@michaelmonstar4276talking about being metalhead, Metal: Hellsinger is also an amazing, chaotic game that I had absolutely no issue with. Yeah, readability is important, UI design is important (keep it simple, give just enough info and don't bloat the screen with it), and make the world and characters easy to distinguishable (fast paced games definitely benefits from easy to see enemies). Also particle effects in that amount is totally unnecessary and ruins readability. Being flashy, colorful, make everything look like freakin' fireworks won't make the game better or visually more appealing but it'll make it look more crowded and confusing. That and motion blur effect too.
Every time a game built around a battlepass fails, a quality game idea gets its wings
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
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all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
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Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
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shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@marcusclark1339 Please touch grass immediately
bruh this has gotta be some trolling or you are severely mentally ill, seek help@@marcusclark1339
@@brasan9 Why? He's not wrong.
@@Grobut81 He might have a point but it falls on deaf ears when you just spam the same thing all over the place. It should never be that serious over a game you don’t like.
I basically prayed that this wouldn't be the last thing Kevin Conroy worked on before he died. But according to so many others online, there are other projects that will feature him. So there is some solace that *this* game won't be his final curtain call.
Yea but it’s the last game he’ll ever do and that sucks 😔
Hearing an Aussie say "Lasso" is life changing.
"Do missions in your world to do missions in a different world that are exactly the same" Anthem? What're you doing here? I thought my boy had died
Thats the thing, it did die but Rocksteady decided to dig it up, whack some DC wallpaper about the place and release it. I think Rocksteady had pumped so much money into this that it HAD to be released despite knowing it was going to fail. Nine years for this is an absolute tragedy.
Find Jesus Christ. You gave me a jump scare.
Let's all play Anthem again. That'll teach em! 😂
@@ElihuYale88shut up and find a sense of minding your own business
Honestly I'd rather play Anthem.
the way this is designed makes me wonder if this started out as a battle royale. like rooftop only battles, the way the map looks, the uniformity of the guns across characters. like imagine 50 random dc villains/antihero skins running around this arena
How hard does superman have to try to lose against this line up of character? How hard is Flash holding back that he can't just run in a straight line and pull Harley's head off. Like this lineup to fight the justice league just makes no sense. Also how can you make a "justice league" and not have Aquaman and Martian Manhunter? Like every single decision is terrible, it's actually kind of impressive.
Yeah flash literally kill Lex in less than 1 frame absolutely clean but then start to play around with the team
It’s JRPG levels of “character in the cutscene” vs “character when I play” power levels
yeah I get it, if its the real Justice league they won't kill the squad because of moral grounds but these are braniac converted so why they holding up ?
Nah nah nah, you forget, silly! This is a live service, they'll sell you the Martian Manhunter and Aquaman campaigns for half the price of the full release a few more months apart after release. Truly, amazing game design 😂😂😂
Ugh, live services, amirite?
Maybe Shark would have a chance, since his powers are magic-based and magic is a weakness of Superman.
let me guess: the beginning high point lasts a bit over 2 hours, the refund time limit.
I used to work in a game company years ago and gave the idea to "gift a skin" to improve increase player base, "no no we can't give money to users"
Which is crazy, because "give players free premium currency" is actually a legitimate tactic to get people to spend money. Once they get used to spending the premium currency, it's easier to justify buying some more.
There's real data to this, but anecdotally, many friends of mine played league of legends for years without spending a dime until they introduced the free skins system. Once they had some skins, they were happy to spend money to get more.
Gacha games do this all the time. That's part of how the popular ones keep retention or even push you to explore new stuff. So yeah, that was a stupid idea.
@@LoliconSamalikyet if they aren’t popular which I’m guessing op’s game wasn’t, then giving away some stuff is EXACTLY how you get some fresh players in TO MAKE IT POPULAR. Seems like not giving some things away was “stupid” in this case
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
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all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
------
Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
-----
shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products.
This commentary slightly misunderstood the Batman backlash. It’s not that Batman is a sacred cow or even about the Kevin Conroy passing. It’s the perfect storm of this being “Arkham Batman”, Kevin passing, him getting killed by a character whom he literally swatted away in previous titles, the way this game absolutely destroys the ending and canon of the Arkham series. There’s just so much more I could write here but I think everyone gets the point. This is honestly one of the most depressing gaming experiences I’ve personally ever had
They gave us an amazing ending with Nightfall… and brought him back just to give him a worse and final ending.
Too many fans treat these "heroes" like father figures.
I will add, it kind of messes up Harley's character.
So the argument for Batman (and by association Harley) is that people shouldn't be killed because everyone should have a chance at redemption and healing. Bruce is admittingly bad at the end goal administration, but that aside. Harley is in some ways the personification of that belief. She is the young person molded and warped by a literal monster into this crazed broken murderess. In some canons, Bruce has coaxed a good person out of her.
Essentially having her kill a mind controlled Batman is her spitting on that idea completely. This Harley just tacitly agreed with Injustice Superman's argument in Injustice 2 when Kara calls out diana trying to kill Harley. That she is damaged, her mind is poisoned, and for the good of everyone, she should be dead.
That's a problem.
Not many people would put this much effort into a 44 minute video to explain why they don't like a game. I appreciate you, Skill Up.
This hurts my eyes.....how do you mess this up? Its like watching a flying casino on meth.
Right, you only need one of those things to have fun, it's enough slices. Corporate greed is one helluva drug though
Because Fortnite is hot with zoomers
@@theProClaimerNot even Fortnite has this much visual garbage going on.
Why do studios keep trying the fortnight model... they have a captured audience and TRY very hard to keep it fresh.... some srudio could destroy it... aka palworld
In my opinion, the issue with Kill the Justice League's tone and difficulty in how "evil" the heroes are is something the entire Suicide Squad brand has been dealing with for a while because of what I would call the Harly Quinnification of the Suicide Squad and their brand. Because right now the push with both of the Suicide Squad movies, even the second one, is a lot more of a "self aware anti-hero vibe" and much more comedy-focused in a way they didn't always used to be, in addition to frequently putting them in high powered situations they're less suited for. It's one reason why guys like Captain Boomerang and Deadshot work well with the squad, being more down to Earth villains: Captain Boomerang's kind of just a slimeball who wants to get paid, Deadshot is an assassin-for-hire with a kid, you get the idea. They aren't BIG villains in the series (like Harley is / has become), because that doesn't really make sense or fit the entire team's premise.
In my opinion, Task Force X from Justice League Unlimited is a strong example of how the Suicide Squad should operate, and you can see the difference. In that show, it is more about infiltration and the fact they have to be smart. To fight moreso against heroes of their own level, guys like Vigilante or Shining Knight, and characters like Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter are treated as practically loss conditions. Kill the Justice League will always have a tonal problem on the fighting aspect if it makes them straightforward in killing them, but similarly the tone around it is very different, and much less irreverent. If we're in a situation where Boomerang's gonna piss on the Flash and Harley makes light of the situation, then where's the tension? When Martian Manhunter appears in that episode, it is practically a horror episode: Descending from the sky menacingly, phasing through characters and their blows to take them out of action, only being stopped by a superpowered object they acquired in the stealth part + a threat on innocent civilians. And even that is very close.
The point I'm making: They need to either be helping someone else kill the Justice League by providing support, like increasing the role of Wonder Woman for example, or to rethink the game entirely. In my opinion, it needs to be something more like a stealth action or assassination game, more Metal Gear Solid or Hitman than Gotham Knights. Going through levels avoiding Brainiac's gaze or Superman's patrol, lest he descend on you and essentially be a game over, until you can find something to deal with them. Maybe a short circuit feedback through Brainiac, an ancient artifiact like the Annihilator, getting a weakness to bring them down to their level. Maybe using other heroes to help out the Suicide Squad because why wouldn't someone like, I dunno, Captain Atom or Supergirl come in and help? Instead, it is an irreverent game with anti-heroes who only bring out the "anti" for shock value moments rather than more genuine acts of villainy, plus just the fact it has to twist a lot of stuff to get the premise and moments in the game to work (See: Green Lantern). It's all about trying to beat an idea into existence when the premise was faulty to begin with I feel.
Task Force X is basically the gold standard for Suicide Squad content. But Warner Bros. has no interest in making it that. They need the squad to be their Guardians of the Galaxy (a band of quirky misfits who never do anything seriously evil), and they need Harley Quinn to be DC's Deadpool (doesn't work because Deadpool is actually funny in his irreverence instead of just obnoxious and zany). Harley Quinn's addition to the suicide squad is where things all went to shit. She just doesn't work outside of interactions with Joker and Batman. She wasn't made to. She's Joker's sidekick, and she only functions in small doses as such. You make her a leading lady or add her to a team of people with actual superpowers or skills and it's like... "why is she even here...? Were they really so desperate for a female inclusion? Why not use Killer Frost or Jinx or someone more suitable?"
WB's problem is they're chasers. They chase the next big thing, but they're too slow to actually get there when it matters.
You're right, characters like Captain Boomerang or Deadshot work better for infiltration missions and if the Suicide Squad is going to fight the Justice League, they should have a lineup designed specifically to counteract each member of the League. To defeat Superman, use Bizarro. To defeat Flash, use Reverse Flash to defeat Green Lantern, use Sinister Exsetera.
Well, the fact that they use those who appeared in the game feels strange because I mean seriously, this is the best that Waler, having access to all the DC villains, could achieve because by using them, what exactly prevents Superman from burning them in the sun and automatically winning .
good analysis here. Your premise reminds me of "The Boys" tv show where all the supers are ridiculously OP. The protags of that show have to be way smarter because if they faced off directly they'd get evaporated.
you must've read my mind lol. I was thinking the same thing - especially about Wonder Woman. Way back when they first showed her in a cutscene, my immediate thought was "oh, so must be how the SS "kills the league"... like Wonder Woman must play are part in the boss fights. So basically, just like you suggested, the SS was there for support and maybe delivers the final blow to each one. But... nope. Everyone is just a big old bullet sponge. Wonder Woman doesn't factor into any boss fight at all. So many bad decisions made with this game
@@No-soy-un-bizcocho That a good idea to use other villains that match up to the League to take them out. They could've still used these 4 in the SS but had them doing support things in the boss fight instead of them just "shooting the JL member" to beat them.
Am I the only one who can’t understand a thing that is happening on screen? Such a clusterfuck of particles and things on screen and UI
I can’t watch the gameplay too long because it honestly hurts my eyes. Far too much going on with so much random colours
I go to raves often. The fact that this game is more seizure-inducing than a goddamn laser-filled RAVE is a serious problem.
Deep Rock Galactic came out in early access in 2017 and has more mission and enemy variety than Suicide Squad.
ROCK AND STONE!
@@_JellyWalker TO THE BONE
Although I kind of get what you're saying, they had 6.5 years of post-launch dev to figure things out
@@floop74 I think he's trying to say that at launch it had better variety than Suicide Squad
It’s a game with a fantastically chunky art style that reeks with passion compared to the “AAA” sludge being pumped out
Man, the disconnect between the decision makers in entertainment and the consumers has NEVER been this large before, which is ironic because we live in a world where communication has never been easier. How much money do these big studios need to lose in order for them to bridge that gap and finally start making things that people actually want to spend time with?
When the WEF gets overthrown and when ESG scores and diversity-forcing companies like Blackrock, Vanguard and Sweet Baby Inc go bankrupt
But what if these decision makers are not the kind of people that can genuinely see past themselves and their bank accounts? We are talking about analytical minds who deem themselves creative geniuses. Quick-witted, but unwise people. It is time to recognize the tell-tale signs of bad management.
it shockingly has a very positive rating on steam 🤢🤢
@whodatninja439 many people are saying they're deleting reviews
Yeah
Movies, series, video games, events
Pretty much any media form is garbage at the moment
It feels like they made Deadshot's kit first, and then went "Bah it's too hard to make 3 more unique ones based around their actual powers. Let's make them all use guns"
Its because its Loot, won't make sense finding green, blue, legendary "shark fins" or Boomerangs so they just gave em all loot guns to find. dumb.
🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ if you watch anything that has to do with suicide squad you’ll see they use guns , even the live action movies they all have guns it’s this something you guys blindly do not see 😂😂😂😂 it’s mind boggling how you guys think that suicide squad don’t have guns
@@EchoDoctrine Lots of people don't realize this. It's like in borderlands, you have your different characters who have different skills and archetypes but they all use guns overall because that's the shared loot system
bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
-----
all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
------
Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
-----
shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@EchoDoctrine City of Heroes did it just fine.
I have to take a second and give skillup huge props for his intros. He lays it all out, so if like me, today, you don't have time to watch the full video but you'd like to know the general opinion, he lays it all out in 5 minutes and doesn't keep it till the very end. really appreciate that and ill be back to finish the rest
Man this just like saints row 2022 all over again. You could see this coming a mile away.
Not as bad. Saints row was literally Xbox 360 incarnate but in a bad way.
As bad as this game is it’s definitely not as bad as Saints Row. There’s absolutely nothing enjoyable in that game whatsoever. The voice acting, story, characters, graphics, gameplay, driving, mission design, everything about that game was awful. Worst game I’ve ever played is Saints Row 2022 but this game is just bad, by no means is it SR22
@Robert-rm9dg There is nothing even remotely woke about SR. It's a buggy Xbox 360 style open world game. What does 'woke' even mean to you Twitter addicted weirdos? Hell, this game is just a live service mess. It's woke because a couple of characters say a line of dialogue that hurts your fee fees?
@@hihihi1q23That's literally it. "Woke" means nothing.
@@hihihi1q23i think anyone who uses the term “woke” unironically is still at a point in their personal/internal growth where anything they encounter that challenges how they’ve thought/felt up until that point makes them uncomfortable. It’s a lot easier to label something that’s derived in a of fear of change than it is to empathize with something or someone that feels differently than they do. Incredibly disappointing state of humanity atm
Boomerang respects flash. The idea he would piss on him is far beyond anything boomerang or any of the rogues would do.
They're not all the same. Even the comics have different versions.
Yes, because the writers don't like the source material, and hate the characters they have to work with. Except Harley they love Harley.
"Lost my footage" ... and the game was so bad, but so bad, I couldn't even replay that aberration again, so I borrowed clips from others. You're a wise man.
bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
-----
all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
-----
most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
------
Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
-----
shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
@@marcusclark1339It's amazing how someone can watch Ralph's nuanced analysis on why this game is as bad as it is and still manage to fart out a full schizopost blaming "le woke agenda". Actual brainrot, you guys are too far gone
@@marcusclark1339 It is truly heartwarming to see you so triggered by inclusion initiatives while you completely ignore the fact that a push for liveservice garbage, and not what you're ranting about, is what ruined this game.
@@marcusclark1339"bastardization of ideals like cop = bad"
Cops ARE bad. That's not a bastardisation of anything. Hell, it's a core concept in many superhero stories.
The most self-aware thing they could do right now would be to tattoo the word "Damaged" on the product.
Man borderlands 2 was really the peak of looter shooter games. Characters that had unique abilities, with a main villain who is honestly still one of the best in the industry. Guns with variations that made them feel different, different elemental values to the guns that were affective against different enemy types. Different factions like the psycho’s, Hyperion and the wildlife. The world which felt so vast and diverse. It was really such a good game
Warframe is so far the only other looter shooter to do it right. Good free storyline, fun gameplay with good melee and gunplay, completely free updates that could easily be paid DLCs.
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How I would have loved if Rocksteady made a single-player game around any member of the Justice League members in the time they took to make this.
I really wanted an Ivy game where you have a choice to save or slay the city like Infamous. I wanna vine swing around with a little flower helicopter jetpack and throw sleep grenades or whatever
Tht sounds stupid af@@nailinthefashion
They could have done injustice and let us keep playing as Batman and fight the regime. But no we get this slop.
always wanted to see a Green Arrow game from them
An open world Superman game would be so fun. He's got every power so you can just run wild.
How is there a "next scene" after killing SUPERMAN? Where could the story possibly go from there? I mean, yeah, killing brainiac, but who cares about that chump when you've just killed SUPERMAN? Do Rocksteady even know who these characters are?
Rocksteady hired a consulting firm that advocates woke ideology and writing, Superman is a strong White male with very little flaws, this is the no.1 enemy of the woke...
No they don't
I assume instead of Paul Dini they hired some talentless hacks and here we are
I actually didn’t even know the justice league existed in the Arkham universe. To think about all the BS that happened with none of them stepping in to help out Batman, is kind of mind mowing. Like at some point it should’ve become national news what was going on and someone should’ve dropped by to help.
@@SolkardTBF Batman would be pissed if they tried to play hero on his turf
I wondered this since reading the full title of this game. I assume this isn't canon? so where does this game go? you kill all of the "strongest" superheroes in the universe and then you are done? At least make it an attempt to kill these guys, not so finite that you run out of anything to do.
Rocksteady should have been the ones to make Gotham Knights. A co-op game where we play as members of the Bat Family post Arkham Knight would have been a guaranteed success and a great continuation to the Arkhamverse.
Oh boy, now we get onto my favorite part: The Executive Developer/Publisher "We're sorry the game was not where we wanted to be and we let you down." Letter probably crafted in some part by AI. It's that promise of making the game better and then just sundowning it as fast as possible that really gets me excited!
Its crazy how it's same studio who handled joker's death so well with emotional moment but batman's was turned into comedy
Good point
It isn't technically the same studio, they moved out to form a new one.
That's due to Paul Dini, a well-established Batman writer, who was the writer for Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.
For Arkham Knight, Rocksteady wanted to stick to in-house talent.
How is it comedy?
It’s the same studio in literally name only. The people who did Asylum and City definitely didn’t work on THIS game.
It really feels like Rocksteady had a concept of a looter shooter with high jump traversal and a Suicide Squad license to make a game of and they just mashed those two together without thought. You could replace these characters with literally anything and I don't think anyone would bat an eye.
Playing as some generic solders and no Justice League killing would make this game way better!😡
We found the it bois, the worst take yet on this game. How is it a game can suck so bad, yet nobody understands why it sucks, even after watching an extremely good opinion of why it sucks. You still come here and post nonsense.
how can you see with all that on the screen?!?! i mean i realize you can turn it off but who in their right mind thought that having a christmas tree all over your screen would be a good idea? Crazy how this is from the arkham team. just effing crazy
Most of them are gone. Or at least several key devs
1:01 "there has never been a gameplay model like this one" it is legit DC Saints Row 4
Agents of Mayhem is a more apt comparison, IMO.
hey, don't badmouth Saints Row 4 gameplay, that game's gameplay is baller af, Agents of Mayhem is closer yes
Crackdown wants a word.
Except Saints Row 4 was fun
Don't you mean Hipsters Row 2022.
The part that makes Batman's death bad is that supposedly up to this point Batman MIGHT have already been dead because it is canonically the same one from the Arkham series...if his death in Arkham Knight was how it happened okay...but the writers revived him explaining away his death as a "no he faked it and joined the Justice League" and then they killed him in the worst way possible for shock value...
It was heavily implied he faked his death in Arkham knight
I'm just considering this game to be non canon lmfao
Ngl what was the point of faking his death if he was just going back in to the public eye to join the JL. Makes no sense
@@alonzoruiz3591 I think it was confirmed by rocksteady that he faked their death.
He did mention shock value in the review. I think when we complained about this particular narrative decision the most (for obvious reasons), the studio very much latched onto it and tried to make it seem like we're just butthurt fans.
I like how it was phrased in this video because it doesn't allow them the luxury of trying to steer the conversation in that direction.
"You don't get to tell us how Kevin felt!", sure, we don't, but we are allowed to say how WE FELT, right?
We felt that it was a cheap shot (No pun intended).
Seriously, what's up with these big ass gaming companies spending millions to develop a game and not make sure that the game will be good? The amount of money they will lose doing such practice is huge. It's like they don't want to get profit at all.
Monitisation cos the whales will always buy these trash games and fill there pockets unfortantly this year in 1 month alone there as been more layoff of devs then the whole of 2023. And more to game as the gamers start thinking at last with there wallets and not buying into all these trashing microtransction filled garbage
Yeah from a business perspective there's definitely some sort of weird disconnect there that just shouldn't be happening with this sort of thing. Its really kind of bizarre when you stand back and look at it. The scale of it all is nuts.
It's a gamble. A gamble they are willing to take because even a modicum of success can yield profits far, far in excess of that which almost any single box price game can yield. When you have game as fundamentally awful as Diablo Immortal making money hand over fist there is no surprise in the appeal of such a monetisation model. Supposedly that game made $525 million in its first year... and still making a few million every month. Do you know or have you ever met anybody that plays that game?
Even those that fail typically don't always lose ALL of their money and typically recoup at least some, if not the majority or all, development costs (this game probably won't though...but some do). So whilst the potential carrot of massive untold riches remains there will always be those greedy execs whose eyes spin in their sockets and their nether regions get moist at the prospect of huge financial gain and force their studios into taking a punt at trying to make that sort of game. This trash will probably be strung out until it's made as much as they can get out of it and then be canned, the same as many that have gone before it.
They’re beholden to ESG and DEI. Companies now are more interested in checking boxes that gets them funding than creating a good story.
They believe that art can be made with a formula and haven't figured out that is simply not true. What worked once probably won't work twice.
At least Avengers didn't all play the same. Don't tell me it can't be done
I recently started a new save of Arkham Asylum and I cannot believe how well it holds up in 2024. It is legitimately saddening to see that this is their follow up to such a brilliant trilogy.
That was a nuanced thought at the beginning of the video. Rocksteady weren't just phoning this game in; they went in with some good ideas. Unfortunately, those ideas were drowned out by horrible ideas they couldn't just fix like that.
The backlash from the beginning, where it was revealed this was a live-service game, was the first example. They went quiet to try and salvage things, but the problem is that the issue people had was the core of the game. The live-service model couldn't be replaced without having to scrap the whole thing and start over. Then there was the decision to have all the characters use guns instead of abilities and weapons suited to their characters. Again, they would have to rework the game to fix this problem. The one problem people have that they absolutely could've fixed was having this be a follow-up to Arkham Knight. That's the biggest reason people are so mad about Batman's death. This is the same Batman we played as for four games; a complete badass we made. Having Suicide Squad be in its own universe, with its own Batman and Justice League, would've made this less painful.
With making the Justice League evil, what they could've done instead was have the brainwashing convince them that Brainiac is the good guy, and everyone else has been infected by a hate plague of some kind. They're still fundamentally the same characters, but now they're fighting for justice for Brainiac. Sort of how like DCAU Superman was brainwashed into fighting for Darkseid because he was convinced Darkseid raised him. Any evil deeds they do would be motivated by desperation, and we see them starting to break as the brainwashing convinces them they NEED to do these things. And then it could be that they do something so against their morals that the brainwashing starts breaking down, making them less effective.
Also, the point about how Suicide Squad's endgame is terrible, and people saying it's alright considering other games had terrible endgames. It makes me think about all the advances Destiny 1 made through its expansions, until you had a pretty great game by the end, and when Destiny 2 came out they had gotten rid of so much of these changes. Destiny 2 may have been better than Destiny 1 when they both started, but why did we need to spend time waiting for it to get back to the Taken King or Rise of the Machines level of quality? I don't want a better game in 5 years time; I want it on launch.
I think that the most frustrating thing about this game is how much promise is inherent in the premise of "killing the Justice League". It is absolutely mind blowing that Rocksteady started with this interesting concept, and then proceeded to do NOTHING with it except offer cheap shocks and underwhelming narrative conclusions. It's doubly frustrating when I see people online complaining about the way the deaths of the Flash or Batman are handled, and then a swarm of cheerleaders flock to the comments to offer the ever unhelpful "iTs CaLlEd KiLl ThE jUsTiCe LeAgUe WhAt DiD yOu ExPeCt???". Like, yes I can read the title. My problem is not with the premise. My problem is that they don't do anything interesting with it.
The idea of having the rag tag Suicide Squad actually having the capability to beat and kill the Justice League was stupid from the start. They're literally going against gods/demigods. That's like having Luke Cage, Ironfist, Hawkeye, and Jessica Jones team up to go against Thor, Captain Marvel, Ironman, and Captain America.
I think the idea can work well in capable hands. But not easy to pull off for sure. Esp in co-op structures.
If they did it in a creative way it could have made sense. You slowly recruit other members of the Justice League to fight against each other like summons or some shit. Or just simply recruited Batman for his contingency plans. Sounds like that was nothing like how it went though lol
You just described The Boys.
Well said
Or like sending in daredevil to fight Thanos as much as I love daredevil he can't fight Thanos without help
Sad.. this will sink Rocksteady completely. Then again.. Rocksteady really isn't Rocksteady these days.
Rocksteady hasn't been Rocksteady since Arkham City: people forget how disappointing Arkham Knight was. The Deathstroke fight is in a *tank?!* Clearly this is THAT Rocksteady.
Arkham Knight was largely a dissappointment because it was a sequel to two phenomenal games - It's going to look weak by comparison, but Knight was a good game all things considered @@AmanojakuX
It's Sweet Baby Inc. wearing Rocksteady's skin. The actual Rocksteady talent have opened a new studio called Hundred Star Games.
@@MegamanXfan21xx exactly
Sweet Baby Inc are just story consultants, though. Bag on them for cringe writing or whatever, but they have nothing to do with the game design: live-service, no end-game, repetitious activities, etc. -- that's all Rocksteady (or "Rocksteady" if you prefer.)@@MegamanXfan21xx
Games like this really make me appreciate Eidos Montreals Guardians of the Galaxy game way more man
I recommend that game every chance I get.
And unfortunately that game didn't sell very well, which only leads to more publishers pushing for games like Suicide Squad.
Game is top tier. Crazy it didn’t get a sequel to flesh out the combat more.
If nothing else, with this game's inevitable failure, hopefully more people will give it a go since it got so overlooked. I probably should comp myself. Speaking of which I think I'll go check out Skillup's review of it if he's got one.
In 10:21 "makes sense" is synced with in game cutscenes lol. That's dangerous levels of dedication for a yt video man
Why didn't they do Zelda dungeon levels with interesting puzzle mechanics, with puzzles requiring each squad members specific abilities, in between the action of course.. Where the heroes are looking for a key item they need to take down one of the big guys. Like Kryptonite at the end of a dungeon. That Dungeon having a lesser hero as a boss. Defeating the lesser hero doesn't kill them, but frees them of Brainiac's mind control. Or something like that.
And some people defend the guns on all heroes thing.. Nah they totally could have had class specific weapon drops. Boomerangs, big melee weapons for Shark, grenades and gadgets and hammers/mallets for Harley...
Why didn't they do that? Because they're hacks.
OOOF, coming up short against ANTHEM in anything is a real low point.
I haven’t finished the vid. He didn’t say anthem was better did he?? Because I would instantly not listen to this man.
Boomerang would never piss on Flash’s corpse as he doesn’t hate him. I know it’s a different universe and a different canon as a result but it seems really dumb to take the most interesting part about Flash and his rogues (their surprising rapport) and make it the standard distain. That said the people who wrote this game seemingly don’t even have any reverence for the previous games in *this* universe let alone the source material.
It would have taken about one day of research to learn the basics about the Rogues, their code, and their relationship with Flash. They're not Gotham villains ffs.
If I'd designed this game, I'd give Captain Boomerang a boomerang moveset based on the other Rogue's tech. Make it clear Flash killed the others, and Capt Boomerang is out for revenge.
A great suicide squad game would be a perm death rogue like, with a huge list of villains that once all used up you gotta start again but stats stay for each individual character per run. When no one seemingly dies makes the suicide squad element pointless.
This was my thought exactly. Have it play like ror2 or something and I'd have a squad of 4, which you can get more villains to choose from later, and when your whole squad dies your run ends. Make the Justice League super hard and fun but if you get a really good run you might have a chance. It can still be story based, look at Hades or probably a better example would be like children of morta.
Make all the items based of the WIDE dc universe and let's say superman can only be beaten by kryptonite damage on top of being strong so you need kryptonite items and suck, lex Luther has a shop to sell kryptonite items and if you beat the game or do a certain quest then lex is a playable character.
Hell if they really want the guns they could've made it more like borderlands, or enter the gungeon if we want a shooter rogue like.
Yeah this definitely would’ve worked a lot better, or if they were gonna do it like this, they could’ve made the skill tree’s actually worth leveling and instead of Wonder Woman be the sole survivor, batman would’ve made 100x more sense. I can go on about how this game could’ve been amazing lol
That was what was weird to me, too. A Suicide Squad game with only four members doesn't have room to be disposing of the cast.
Flash's villains often kind of respect him, Boomerang would not piss on him.
They are not getting enough hate for what they've done to the Arkham series.
Agreed. Why is everyone suddenly talking like Arkham knight wasn't a buggy boring mess? This studio has been on a downhill slide for 10 years.
@@thelaughingrouge Knight is best in the trilogy
@@thelaughingrougeknight was good, they just failed at a pc port like most studios do
@@thelaughingrouge That PC port was bad sure, the game itself was very good so completyely flawed logic there and boring is extremely subjective as everything in that game is still incredibly well made. Arkham Knight has aged like a fine wine even on PC as the story gameplay and visuals are incredible.
This Game is a joke and the developers are different than the originals yet they've lied and coined the term ''from the creators of the Arkham Series''
@ChoaticCrater Arkham Knight was good, but they could've used less Batmobile and more Batman though.
I would love it if a game reviewer talked about how much value the "Gliding" mechanic in Arkham series games adds to that game.
In the Arkham games, as you "Glide" above the city as Batman, the action of the game slows down and you focus on the city. You examine the city streets and listen to your enemies. As you glide, you choose your next move. But in the Suicide Squad game (the same was largely true for Gotham Knights), since moving from one place to another is in the form of instantaneous teleportation, jumping and swinging, we cannot examine the city and the enemies, we feel like we are jumping around in an amusement park without a plan.
I wish the mechanics of moving from place to place in Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad had creative ideas that gave the opportunity to study the city from the sky for a while. It's a difference that you don't talk about much, but I think it's a very important difference and they couldn't notice it in both games.
The ship of Theseus only continues being Theseus if it sails before all of its parts have been replaced. Same with Rocksteady but with making games.
Rocksteady's new ship parts seem to be made of tissue paper.
Rocksteady's old ship is named Hundred Stars it seems, formed new studio. They moved a time after the game started, or before I don't know.
I give it 4 seasons at the most. The latter 2 being shoved out bare bones because no one is playing, but they still have to do it because optics.
i'll give it 2
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
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all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
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most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
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Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
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shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
Avengers lasted a lot longer than that and we know that was a lot worse than this, at least this game has the possibility of being improved and fixed.
@marcusclark1339 "Muh esg sweet baby inc" Lmao
God every screencap of this game in gameplay looks like those parodies of installing a bunch of Gmod addons so you have six HUDs and the whole screen is just "noise."
Want a game where u can play as 4 different characters where u need to stop an alien invasion.
Well then how about the Earth Defense Force series, it has:
- 4 different characters/classes to play as
- variety of enemies with good A.I
- good loot to collect
- fun explosive gameplay
- a ridiculous but fun story to go through
I Think people just wanted a good DC game. Love EDF but it's not the target audience.
Idk how they missed making a Superman game, maybe in an alternative universe , a superman game is release to critical aclaim.
yup
say it bluntly: THE GAME IS BAD and we knew that DAY 1 from the first TRAILER
why its bad: ESG, Sweet Baby Inc, Rocksteady not being the same company as before, agenda, and live service
a thread:
ESG
-----
all about performative ideological belief of being moral in censorship, moral puritanism, ethnocentrism and a core belief that their way is better than any other, as a result they look to the old (outfits, designs, sex appeal, characterization, lore) and change them to fit their narrow view of what is good
look into the game's bio and you feel how much it hates characters, its shilling for Wonder Woman as a character, bastardization of ideals like cop = bad to them, and butchering lore with retcons to fit their narrative on "inclusion"
Sweet Baby Inc
-----
most AAA games ascribe to them cause consultant firm gives them money so even if game does bad they make money, in their minds that's justification to burn every bridge to appease to it
they're in charge of script writing of narrative, audio logs, banter, and more and it shows
they hate every male lead, especially if white and hero, they view lantern as a villain cause he's a black space cop so the black criminal has to be the one to kill them - cause black on black crime so inclusive
WW has 6+ paragraphs of lex simping for her in her bio and phrases like she saved us from toxic masculinity which should be the most obvious sign of agenda pushing in this product
constant undervaluing of the heroes and legacies while painting the villains as better and more moral tells u of how big companies like these view morals, all inverse
Rocksteady
------
Many including the founders, have left this company and it shows in the quality degradation
the design is so telling as well in characters and design
the amount of broad androgynous designs on women, unappealing and lacking in any sex appeal is shocking when looking back at arkham games to this and how far they've fallen
its telling how neutered that is and deliberate and is exactly why they chose an established lore than a new universe
to butcher it on purpose cause Trojan Horse tactics to push an agenda
Propaganda
-----
shits on the legacies
has Harley hate her own outfits of old
Wonder Woman only one given a pass
Batman killed in a random gutter and desecrated by Harley after
Pissed on Flash, Left Green Lantern in his underwear
LGBT logo in the hall of Justice and Pride flag icons everywhere in a city on fire
Game Character Bios
if someone looks at that and thinks it doesn't affect the quality of the game then they're willfully ignorant and refuse to acknowledge how much this ruins products
I am genuinely flabbergasted how incompetent this looks and how long rocksteady took to develop it
The only thing wrong with them killing off Batman is that this is THE SAME Batman from the Arkham games.
Had this been an entirely new version of the character I wouldnt have cared, but they low key tarnished the legacy of Arkham Batman by having this be his end point.
Genuinely sad and a little depressing to think that the same Batman we played as who saved Gotham City in Arkham Knight went on to become mind controlled and forced to break every sacred rule he ever had, including the murdering of innocent people, before being executed on a park bench by Harley Quinn 💀
Good thing we have head cannon, because theres no way I can accept that this is actually the same Batman from the Arkham games.
Considering the founders of Rocksteady left during the development of SS this is fan fiction. Batman’s story ended with AK.
I mean, if they'd killed him with some dignity it probably would have been alright as well, even if it is Arkham Batman. People would've been reposting the clips and been swamped with comments fill to the brim with 😢 and 😭 emojis all telling their stories about how cool the scene was and what their first experiences with the Arkham games were and stuff. Have you ever seen the clip of Sam Fisher vaguely acknowledging the death of Snake? It's super short, but there's respect for the Metal Gear franchise in it and the fans in the comments all love and cherish that. We could have had that here, overall quality of the game be damned, but instead we got a whole load of nothing that, for many, borders on disrespect.
@@conspiracypanda1200 I think a more dignified ending would be if the end cutscene shows the Squad working together to slowly wear him down, but he fends them off long enough to grab Harley's pistol, point it at her... and the fact he was about to shoot someone like the mugger did breaks through the brainwashing. Not enough to truly be free, but enough that he can control himself. He hands the gun over to Harley and tells her to do it before he kills anyone else. She takes the shot, and at flash we are shown a still image of young Bruce walking alongside his parents, Bruce now reunited with them in death.
Honestly, saying this was a different universe would've been so much easier for them. No need to explain that the Deadshot from Arkham was a faker; no need to try and figure out how Batman went from Knightfall Protocol to a member of the Justice League; No need to explain how Poison Ivy or Joker came back.
And it's not like they'd need to explain anything about most of the important characters this way either. At this point, the people most interested in this game know who the Justice League are. They know Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Deadshot, Harley, and Amanda Waller. I really don't know why they didn't just set this in it's own universe.
Great review as always! Just wanted to point out that the « starter versions » of those store outfits comes from pre ordering any version of the game. The pack is not part of the deluxe edition, the Justice League themed outfits are! Those are also not available in the store as of now.
When the Rocksteady devs said: "What are we, some sort of Career Suicide Squad?" and got ordered to develop this game, it was truly one of the moments of all time!
Imagine how cool it would have been to have Bizzaro Superman, Deathstroke, and then two other characters that can actually counter the Justice League
If there's any Flash rogue I would've hired to kill the Flash, it would have been the guy with the gun that slows down the Flash, not Captain fucking Boomerang.
Actually they could still do that. Apparently there are 13 Braniacs to stop. Each season will have a new Braniac and a new Suicide Squad (Next Season Joker is confirmed as 1 of them)
Its probably not going to last more then 3 or 4 seasons tho.
The Suicide Squad in this game is too small. Usually there is at least 5 to 8 members at a time for a mission. They should have put some heavy hitters like Clayface, Enchantress, Black Manta, a random speedster, or any other character with super powers. King Shark is the only one with super powers on the team.
@@RichSmithson but they each have to use guns lol. It severely limits them
@@rascoehunter3608 Deadshot makes sense because he’s an expert marksman and can use heavy duty guns with special equipment designed to stop bad guys. Boomerang and Harley have no reason to be there. Harley never shows herself to be intelligent aside from the one plot contrived moment near the end of the game.
They should add series of gold coins on all those rooftops, doing ding-ding-ding when you collect them.
Then movement part of the game will look completed.
Suicide Squad was told to kill The Justice League. Instead, they killed Rocksteady
Ah. Sweet baby inc strikes again
Dude it's Warner Brothers fault 100%. Stop shifting the blame
@@NoName...... nah fuck off, two things can be right at once, they're both shit
I am sure Sweet baby inc went down there in the studio and told the devs to make the characters use guns only, make it a live service, insert a shitty store, only allow one type of enemy etc. don't shift the blame of the game's failure on them cause you sound like a conspiracy theorist who thinks there's only one evil and it's this company.
@@NoName......Did WB do the writing? No. Give credit where credit is due.
Am I crazy in wondering why the hell anyone even thought we would want this in 2024? Like, from it's narrative down to the gameplay, this game feels so stuck in the 2010s. (Most likely due to the decade long dev cycle.) I'm so over an evil Justice League. Injustice came out in fucking 2013, and the idea wasn't even super interesting then. We could've gotten a genuine JL game that shows why they're such a good team. Instead we got the Division a decade after people stopped caring about the Division, with the most uninteresting interpretation of some of my favorite heroes Ive ever seen. And on top of that they've completely killed any chance at fleshing out the wider Arkham univers
Who ever the writers were didn't do any research on the justice league or they're powers. So man plot holes. Diana being the only one to get a heroic end instead of the character that put them on the map is even more insane.
So I'm not the only who genuinely likes Gotham Knights better than this game so far? I mean, that game had live service legs.
I unironically like the Avengers (at least the combat) over this. Each character’s combat felt completely different.
10:20 nice timing with the in-game subtitles there
Yeah from the start of the trailers when Diana has flash captured and he tells them they need to be killed is the only point that has some impact to it. It would be nice to feel some sort of empathy for the heroes we are being forced to kill.
Wow I can't wait to see the 18-month roadmap that gets abandoned in 3 for this one. At this point the only interest these games have for me is seeing what the company says on the Twitter apology card.
Will they say we apologize to the real fans for "pissing on" their childhood heroes and will stop listening to idiotic ESG DEI Sweet Baby clowns.
Idk why they didn't just set this game in an alternate timeline or something. Having this be the terminus for Batman from the Arkham series just spits on and sours what was an emotionally satisfying sendoff from the original games.
This
Making this NOT an Arkahmverse game also fixes the problems with Deadshot (white and dead), King Shark (dead), Harley (child torturer), and Ivy.
90% of my ads during this video were for this game. Kind of awkward.
Ghost of Tsushima did it perfect, amazing story and gameplay, amazing detailed world, incredible abilities and armor, boss battles that were epic. Then the multi-player, suckerpunch hit gold with that game, its was great for a live service model, each class had their specialty and abilities, it had a hard raid that was creative. If I was sony, I would go for suckerpunch for their live service, not this shit.
One of the most incredible multi-player modes ever and even was marketed separately from the main game so I ended up hearing about it since I don't play single player games often post-Infamous. 9/10 just needed more stuff
exactly this. Ghost of Tsushima is the gold standard.
A solid single-player mode with combat built for that and later on a FREE MP. Sunk so many hours on that game.
A combat system is impacted by if it's designed for SP or MP.
But studios don't learn.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who went "Where's the recoil?"