Driven SS for 12 yrs. Never damaged a rim on a flat. Noticed better traction in snow, but worse traction on ice. Never had a tag axel so I've never been stuck.
With dually's, at least you can get to where you can have the tire replaced. The super-single requires a new rim and a three hour down time waiting on a tire guy to come to you. It happened to me last night.
Its still illegal to drive with a blown tire driver, either way single or dual. Its a violation either way. So just think abput that, yeah could still hobble over to a truck stop but if caught, you could pay extra too.
Owner op at landstar, been running super singles for 7 years. A few things to add, no matter what you are running as an O/O invest the money ($100 to $200) in a TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) It will save you thousands, not only keeping your tires at the proper pressure getting more miles per tire, but also saving tires that could of just had a simple repair turn into rubber all over the road. If you are having traction issues, invest in a set of bear claws, Trac grabbers makes some for about $200. Ive litterally been stuck up to the rim in mud and pulled my way out. Even with spending the $400 on those two items, running super singles the fuel and weight savings are almost enough to buy a new set every year if not more.
I run a 379, and I must say, I just don't see the traction issues much. However I have seen guys with set back steer axles really struggling with traction issues. My biggest positive for them is I like that I can get 350k+ miles out of them. Never been able to do that with duals.
My truck had super singles prior to buying it. I made switching to duals part of the deal. I’m glad I did for all the reasons you stated, although I have no first hand experience with SS’s.
Duals all the way. The worst experience I had with a SS was in I lost a tire in BFE Northwestern Nebraska and the closest shop with a replacement was 7 hours away. If I had 11Rs every tire shop has them. I was down on the side of the road for more than 10 hours and had to pay 14 hours drive time to the tire truck. It was a $2400 tire.
I lost a ss and was back on the road in 2hrs. Scranton, PA. You see the holes in your argument? Also, you could have put duals on just that one side right? Yes, you can mis match them even on same axle as its all about weight rating.
@@ceasar3696 I asked dot about that issue of not having a ss replacement bubs. He said I can do anything I want as long as I meet the weight rating. So to break this down in English, If I was in a place with no ss’s, I would put a set of junk duals to get home. Understand? Yes, I’m fully aware of what I’m talking about Hector.
@teamdada2194 the trailer I had was not mine. The hubs were set up for super singles. The lugs were not long enough for 2 wheels. I would have had to buy 2 wheels 2 tires and have the lug nuts replaced which would have cost 2X s more than just waiting all just to buy another tire later. Don't be an idiot.
It's the same way to an extent with 'smart way verified tires' they have a lower rolling resistance, but you do spin more in the winter. I switched to XDN 2 Michelin's and the extra traction helps a lot in the winter. The truck does get .2 tenths of a mile per gallon less, but being spun out on Snoqualmie is the worst feeling in the world.
I had your exact same setup on my drives, just with a Prostar. I did exact same thing and switched to duals. I ran Donner Summit throughout the winter I was the BEST decision I ever made.
I have been driving on duals for 32 years and recently started with a company that employs both duals and super singles. On some uneven pavement, while running the super singles, I experienced severe trailer whipping. I have never had that with duals. This solidified my opinion about super singles: I DO NOT like super singles.
Simple Mikey Mouse for that problem is...... Welding a little bit loose chain or attach a strap around the axel, so when the tire blows up the chain or strap hold the axel and the rim never touch the ground. God bless you.
I'm a 14 wheel driver. Not by choice. I run flatbed as a company driver. Positives: Easy check 4 tires for air. You can go up 120psi for weight distribution And yes Rolling Ressistance. Negatives: Deep ruts on bad roads. Usually asphalt roads are worse. Concrete roads are usually smoother. Stuck in snow. Hell yes. I blew a tire. Had bad cords inside. I paid for tire n service call. And company told me a new rim also. Which was BS. But, far as hauling weight. I do haul 48k steel coils, n heavy loads of lumber. You have got remember check the air pressure. And check for heat. My Cascadia 20 series. Shows me temp n heat. I still check them very very regularly.
I've always liked duals better. I ran with a company awhile back who went to super singles. On both tractor & trailer. Hated it. They later went back to duals after a few year's I had seen.
My comment is from my 3.3 million miles of exp. NOT from 800K miles. . I would never have a dummy axle if I was driving in snow or bad weather. Why risk it?? I have used both. NEVER had a blow-out with singles. And only 2 blow-outs with duals. MAIN thing is maintaining your tires. I would check my air pressure EVERY 2 weeks. I bet 90% of you never check your pressure. 1 aluminum and one steel for the extra weight ??? LOL that extra 30# does not help anything. If I was going to order or buy a new truck - it would not bother me to run either. The thing to keep in mind is - what is good for YOUR application. PLUS I see regular hiway tires on trucks and they say NO traction. DAH, PUT snow tires on in the winter. Hiway tires are not suppose to give you traction in snow. AGAIN, it is what works for YOUR application. Most of you never pulled "doubles" , I have for many years. I ran super singles and never had ANY problems. They worked great for MY application. I think many of you that are against super singels never drove with them. You just heard the rumors on how bad they were. They are 100% better than they were 10 years ago. Companies are putting "rookie" drivers in the trucks with ss on them. If they were so bad they wouldn t do this. The pro: weight savings and fuel economy. Cons: having a blow out and sitting there and can't drive to get it fixed. Everybody has an opinion. This is MINE. Safe trucking to all.
Agreed driver! Spec the tractor to your environment. Plus it gives good gas mileage-pull doubles for aaa cooper was skeptical at first but WOW the mpg advantage.
I am a commercial truck tire salesman. And I have customers that use super singles and customers that use duels. I cannot stress this enough. There is ONLY 1 REASON TO RUN SUPER SINGLES. And that is to save weight. If you haul super heavy all the time, like container trailers or something like that. And you need to cut down on weight as much as possible to make your load legal, you can run them. But if not, please do not run them. Here’s why. They cost more. If you catch a nail, you’re stuck. You can’t limp in to a shop for a repair. You risk destroying the tire and the rim if you do. And also consider availability. Super singles are not super popular. So if you find a shop that carries them, you will only have 1-2 options. And good luck finding them used. If you are buying a truck. Look for one with low pro 22.5 tires. That’s 295/75r22.5 (275/80r22.5 if you want Michelin tires.) Those are super common and you will have a much easier time price shopping different places. Also if you are looking at a truck that has 285/75r24.5 tires, either don’t buy it or ask them to lower the price by a at least $5000 so you can replace the tires and wheels. That is a dying size and is getting really hard to find. If you like the ride height of that size, consider switching to 11r22.5. It’s just as tall, but way more common
Run them both really never had problems with either in mud and snow . It comes down to brand i like the bridge stone better . As for super singles been running them since 07 . Oh this week 5300 on 2200 miles be safe
What you were thinking of was flotation (SuperSingles) versus slosh/snow penetration (duals). Chains will get through the slosh/snow - so the same argument you make @2:38 "...Super singles, you really just... ...you really just need to pay attention and maintain them properly... make sure you have good PSI in them..." Chain up to gain grip and hard penetration points through the snow - and of course going into winter, if your tread life is nearly worn down, there will be no tread clearing and they'll float (just like any other tire). IMHO, new tools mean new skills to learn - flotation is useful on soft soils, mud and sand, where duals will quickly sink up to the frame rails. Kind of a cop out IMHO to look down on a tire that performs well on sand, mud, wet and dry pavement, but not so good on snow or slush around the freeze point - when that's one very specific road condition that is limited and manageable.
If you drop your air suspension then chain the dead axle to the frame and reinflate your suspension you can get yourself out of a jamb. You won't be legal if loaded but in a jamb legal is irrelevant. Just be careful to chain straight from frame rails down and directly under the bags then directly back up to the frame. It is possible to bend things down there.
I used to have Michelin X One wide-base tire 10 years ago. That's the proper name for Michelin. Super single is the name for the Good Year tires. I drove the retreat version on that tire and I didn't see any problem with the traction at this time. And I was driving in very icy road conditions with that tires. Like coming down from the canyons north of I40 winter time on a road covered with black ice. Mostly trucks even with dual tires were out of the road on that terrible winter day. I was not only good at that day but I was passing mostly trucks from the left line on that icy road without any filling that I am losing traction. 5 years ago I got dual tires on my second truck and I am keeping that tires only because if you blow a wide base tire the cost to replace is equal than you blow 2 dual tires at once. That's only the reason I will keep driving dual tires. The traction was not an issue for me with the wide base (super single) tire.
in my opinion , there is only one problem with the super single , it 's that you have to carry a spare tire with you because it 's hard to find a replacement on the road , especially in Canada . I saw a video of some Asian company making supersingle tires with two separate pressure compartments , but there is only one nipple , during the ride the pressure is self - balancing.
You make some very valid points, but I also think that the type of Tire makes a world of difference. I have super singles and had tires on my truck that were intended more for road travel and refrigerated trucks. I had them swapped over to the Michelin xdn2 tires and it was beyond and Improvement. These things are like running all terrains on a pickup and AR 3 peat Snow rated. Never again will I go back to anything but these tires.
@@DrivenTrucking Those are the junk tires that I had before. Literally like comparing passenger car street tires to all terrains and taking both in deep mud.
Bryan I'm an ex truck driver in the Uk owner operator and I'd never put super singles on a tractor,most tractors in the uk run dual drive tyres,why doesn't your tag axle lift like the ones we have in the UK then when you want more traction you'd have it,we also have what we call mid lifts or pusher axles that do the same thing as a tag it lifts when you need it to for more traction
Anthony saftrans hey Anthony if it's ok with you I'd like to chat to you more about trucking and the U.S,it's good to have some one from over here in blitey over the in America,some one who can work both ways like I can,no offence to the truck drivers I watch but most people don't realise that an American ton is different to a British ton as the brittish ton is 240lbs more so in the U.S if you have a 15,000lb load it's not 7.5 tons like it would be in U.S tons it's it's 6.69 brittish tons,plus we in the uk have 4.54 litres to a gallon where in the U.S it's 3.87 litres per gallon,Anthony if you know of any other differences please let me know. I have been to America loads of times on holiday there driving a minimum of 6,000 miles each trip and the shortest trips been a month and the longest been 10 weeks where I drove 15,000miles in those ten weeks,I love driving but my health stops me been a truck driver no which as Americans say really sucks.
@Fieldwav if I can find the link to a green Volvo in US I’ll send you it,it had a midlift axle like the ones in the UK have it looked good the dude who owned it had a single drive axle,I forgot to say i went to the US every year from 93-2004 n Canada as well I used to go for a minimum of 4wks every year n toured all over in various different cars ive driven through 45stare & 5 Canadian provinces
If one hauls Sail Boat fuel Super Singles maybe be the tire of choice other wise a set of low pro 22.5 tires on aluminum rims will are the closest in weight you can get to Super Singles. a quality tire like a Michelin X tire will have the capitally of getting 200,000 miles on more before need of replacement. Do a cost per mile comparison & see if the duals are better or worse.
Hello , Can you make comments on Dummy / Tag Axle? I Searched all your videos could not Find One! What is your general idea about Tag axle, and did you had any serious issues driving your truck over the years with Tag axle. Did you think about Lift kit for that axle? Or any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you
Please explain how you felt you had more traction as soon as you put on the duals.... because that's where you're losing me. I saw the post you would have thd same traction on clear pavement no matter the style of tire. Tread design also plays a large role in this. I've run singles for about 8 years now, had 1 blow out due to a nail. Always ran Michelin grips (XDN2) rarely had issues, but I also have 2 live axles.
I’m pretty sure it was because of the dummy axle, I pop the clutch a little bit coming out of the shop purposefully and instead of the tires slipping it fired right out. When I did that with the singles they would always slip even if it was dry.
Does recap tires work for summer? Because I just purchased a truck with recaps but I been hearing recaps are not working when weather gets hot . And tires looks great
Been running SS on one truck duals on the other. The SS has never given me any traction issues. In snow and on ice they fair the same. SS seem to last longer except in a situation where you get a nail. But how did you feel more traction automatically just in the parking lot makes no sense to me. Seems like you were driving on ice in the parking lot as soon as you switched from SS to duals? I’m confused by that statement.
A little bit, with the issues lately I haven’t kept up exactly, I can just tell it’s less. When I hit the road again I’ll keep a good eye on it and update 👍🏻
Question: what size tire do you prefer for You and owner/operators? I’ve been looking for a video on it but haven’t seen one. Low pro vs 11r also rim size. Thanks
Depends on the truck and what you haul my friend. I run 275/70/r22.5 on all my step decks and 11r22.5 on my highboys/regular flats. Truck wise 11r 22.5 has been the way I’ve gone since I don’t want to buy new Alcoa rims. Steers i have trucks that use 12r22.5 for since it allows me to scale 6100kg on my steers but nothing ring with the 11r 22.5
SSS super singles suck. I briefly pulled a trailer with those worthless things. 2 flats, both times stranded on the highway where they blow. Both times rim was ruined.
Is there a big difference between Meritor and Dana Spicer axles, do both come with rear lockers, is Meritor/Dana better at one application than the other?? Is it best to stick with Standard Equipment if they all have the same weight rating??
How many months or miles were you getting from the ss? Have the same axel configuration on my truck. Run trailer tires on the tag axel. The ss drive tires last about 1 year. Do ss normally wear faster than duals? I normally get 2 years from duals.
Do you by chance know what the Weight difference you had going from the singles to the duels? I’ve got singles on my T 600 and have been very happy with them and I have two trailers that have singles and I’m considering putting singles on more of my trailers. Weight is a big factor for me. Thank you.
Single don’t look sexy on a sleepers perhaps a day cab I never could back up in a straight line with super singles and they slide in icy conditions I will never go super singles again
This! Lift would be even better but dump valve is easier to install and cost-effective. European truck manufacturers tried to offer super singles about fifteen years ago but they didn't get traction... Anyway, if it's not pushing you forward it's braking you. That's why duals for drives and singles for everything else.
@@p1kkujuha Not true some forest trucks has supersingel on the drive tires in Sweden, Its about having the right tires and diff locks and dump valve. We have real diffs on both axel and we can dump the second drive axel fully loaded whit a loading crane in the back that makes almost 20 000kgs on the drive and then you have traction enough.
@@truckingswe ok, that's new to me. We have similar forest trucks as you but as far as I know we have only duals on drive axles in Finland. Depending on how axles are arranged (2+2, triple, tridem) lifting tag axle might or might not help getting traction. Having a crane back there surely helps. Some trucks like most Sisus and I think some Volvos can disconnect last drive axle and lift it while fully loaded. Weight transfer on full air rides is becoming more common too.
I’m going to have to disagree. Super singles save close to 225lbs per axle they are mounted on. If you have them on both trailers and drives, you are able to scale 1000lbs more weight which can certainly add up over time. Also when it comes to fuel economy, relieving 1000 lbs of rotating mass significantly helps with fuel economy AND stopping (uncommon fact). If you have a 20 ton Jack and a torque multiplier like most O/O do, a blowout shouldn’t even be something to sweat. You just need one mounted super single spare and it is good for any corner besides the steer axle. For someone who is smart and keeps an eye on their equipment, it will save more money than duals 7 days a week.
I'm not a trucker but those SS tires bother me. I saw a video on Midwest Towing where Ron had to tow a truck with SS off a soft shoulder. The SS didn't have enough traction on their own.
Simply the cost of the rims and tires. The studs will most likely only be long enough for one aluminum wheel and one steel wheel so if you want double aluminum, you’ll have to change out the studs as well.
@@DrivenTrucking thanks sir. will we need to change something else in rear or just need new tires, rims and studs ? And any changes in hub or it’s just same for single and dual ?
@@douglasedwards983 never heard it costing that much and the stats of having a blow out isn't high enough. any huge cost can hurt any one without proper reserves, not to mention that that is a write off at the end of the year.
First, the dummy axle is a joke. Second, if you blow out a super single the rim will fall down and get ruined before you get to the side of the road. You’d think they’d have some kind of chain or something to keep the rim from hitting the pavement. I’ve only run duels with all steel rims once to go into Canada and it made my empty weight heavier than hell. I guess that’s the advantage of super singles. If you run the mountains in the winter and have to chain up a lot, definitely go with duels....and buy a real truck, not a flatland special.
20+ years in OTR, Van, Reef, and flat. Some things to keep in mind, 1 NO DUMMY AXLES! If you buy a truck with a single screw you are an idiot, go back to being a company driver you wont make it as an O/O. 2 Super Singles = fuel economy. If you are running skateboards or spec./heavy duals are fine, fuel economy is not an issue. 3. If it is bad enough to throw chains, it is bad enough to shutdown. Don't be supertrucker, be a professional. 4 is all about fuel economy. Yeah a 389 or W900 looks GOOD, but will cost you thousands a year in fuel revenue. 5 automated transmissions shift much more economically than you can, get one.
Duals will cut through snow much better than SS’s...SS’s sit on top of the snow. Whenever I’m in the snow and see a truck in the ditch, 70% of the time it’s running SS.
Driven SS for 12 yrs. Never damaged a rim on a flat. Noticed better traction in snow, but worse traction on ice. Never had a tag axel so I've never been stuck.
With dually's, at least you can get to where you can have the tire replaced. The super-single requires a new rim and a three hour down time waiting on a tire guy to come to you. It happened to me last night.
Its still illegal to drive with a blown tire driver, either way single or dual. Its a violation either way. So just think abput that, yeah could still hobble over to a truck stop but if caught, you could pay extra too.
I’m going through this right now ugh
U can drive trailer with one flat tire?
Owner op at landstar, been running super singles for 7 years.
A few things to add, no matter what you are running as an O/O invest the money ($100 to $200) in a TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system)
It will save you thousands, not only keeping your tires at the proper pressure getting more miles per tire, but also saving tires that could of just had a simple repair turn into rubber all over the road.
If you are having traction issues, invest in a set of bear claws, Trac grabbers makes some for about $200.
Ive litterally been stuck up to the rim in mud and pulled my way out.
Even with spending the $400 on those two items, running super singles the fuel and weight savings are almost enough to buy a new set every year if not more.
What is the weight difference and the fuel economy? I’m a Landstar BCO and I’m thinking of getting super singles at the end of the year.
I run a 379, and I must say, I just don't see the traction issues much. However I have seen guys with set back steer axles really struggling with traction issues. My biggest positive for them is I like that I can get 350k+ miles out of them. Never been able to do that with duals.
When I went back to duals the stability going down the road was greatly improved. Always fighting the side-to-side splash of the super single.
My truck had super singles prior to buying it. I made switching to duals part of the deal. I’m glad I did for all the reasons you stated, although I have no first hand experience with SS’s.
Duals all the way. The worst experience I had with a SS was in I lost a tire in BFE Northwestern Nebraska and the closest shop with a replacement was 7 hours away. If I had 11Rs every tire shop has them. I was down on the side of the road for more than 10 hours and had to pay 14 hours drive time to the tire truck. It was a $2400 tire.
I lost a ss and was back on the road in 2hrs. Scranton, PA. You see the holes in your argument? Also, you could have put duals on just that one side right? Yes, you can mis match them even on same axle as its all about weight rating.
@@teamdada2194 You don't know what you are talking about.
@@ceasar3696 I asked dot about that issue of not having a ss replacement bubs. He said I can do anything I want as long as I meet the weight rating. So to break this down in English, If I was in a place with no ss’s, I would put a set of junk duals to get home. Understand? Yes, I’m fully aware of what I’m talking about Hector.
@teamdada2194 the trailer I had was not mine. The hubs were set up for super singles. The lugs were not long enough for 2 wheels. I would have had to buy 2 wheels 2 tires and have the lug nuts replaced which would have cost 2X s more than just waiting all just to buy another tire later.
Don't be an idiot.
@@teamdada2194 That would have been the stupidest thing to do.
It's the same way to an extent with 'smart way verified tires' they have a lower rolling resistance, but you do spin more in the winter. I switched to XDN 2 Michelin's and the extra traction helps a lot in the winter. The truck does get .2 tenths of a mile per gallon less, but being spun out on Snoqualmie is the worst feeling in the world.
I had your exact same setup on my drives, just with a Prostar. I did exact same thing and switched to duals. I ran Donner Summit throughout the winter I was the BEST decision I ever made.
I have been driving on duals for 32 years and recently started with a company that employs both duals and super singles. On some uneven pavement, while running the super singles, I experienced severe trailer whipping. I have never had that with duals. This solidified my opinion about super singles: I DO NOT like super singles.
The issue with super singles is if you blow one, it messes the rim up as well, so, you not only have to buy a new tire, but rim as well.
The company I work for also has do do an alignment on the truck when one blows.
Simple Mikey Mouse for that problem is......
Welding a little bit loose chain or attach a strap around the axel, so when the tire blows up the chain or strap hold the axel and the rim never touch the ground. God bless you.
I'm a 14 wheel driver. Not by choice. I run flatbed as a company driver.
Positives:
Easy check 4 tires for air.
You can go up 120psi for weight distribution
And yes Rolling Ressistance.
Negatives:
Deep ruts on bad roads. Usually asphalt roads are worse. Concrete roads are usually smoother.
Stuck in snow. Hell yes.
I blew a tire. Had bad cords inside. I paid for tire n service call. And company told me a new rim also. Which was BS.
But, far as hauling weight. I do haul 48k steel coils, n heavy loads of lumber.
You have got remember check the air pressure. And check for heat. My Cascadia 20 series. Shows me temp n heat. I still check them very very regularly.
What was the price all together (tire, service, rim...etc) if you blow a tire ??
The cost $2,200 for service call with Loves, tire, new Alcoa dura bright rim (SS)
I've always liked duals better. I ran with a company awhile back who went to super singles. On both tractor & trailer. Hated it. They later went back to duals after a few year's I had seen.
My comment is from my 3.3 million miles of exp. NOT from 800K miles. . I would never have a dummy axle if I was driving in snow or bad weather. Why risk it?? I have used both. NEVER had a blow-out with singles. And only 2 blow-outs with duals. MAIN thing is maintaining your tires. I would check my air pressure EVERY 2 weeks. I bet 90% of you never check your pressure. 1 aluminum and one steel for the extra weight ??? LOL that extra 30# does not help anything. If I was going to order or buy a new truck - it would not bother me to run either. The thing to keep in mind is - what is good for YOUR application. PLUS I see regular hiway tires on trucks and they say NO traction. DAH, PUT snow tires on in the winter. Hiway tires are not suppose to give you traction in snow. AGAIN, it is what works for YOUR application. Most of you never pulled "doubles" , I have for many years. I ran super singles and never had ANY problems. They worked great for MY application. I think many of you that are against super singels never drove with them. You just heard the rumors on how bad they were. They are 100% better than they were 10 years ago. Companies are putting "rookie" drivers in the trucks with ss on them. If they were so bad they wouldn t do this. The pro: weight savings and fuel economy. Cons: having a blow out and sitting there and can't drive to get it fixed. Everybody has an opinion. This is MINE. Safe trucking to all.
I aint even a truck driver and I check my tires pressure 1 or two times a week with a gauge and daily visibly
Agreed driver! Spec the tractor to your environment. Plus it gives good gas mileage-pull doubles for aaa cooper was skeptical at first but WOW the mpg advantage.
Try running a super single trailer tire on a dummy axle. Works well. I’ve been doing it for years....
I am a commercial truck tire salesman. And I have customers that use super singles and customers that use duels. I cannot stress this enough. There is ONLY 1 REASON TO RUN SUPER SINGLES. And that is to save weight. If you haul super heavy all the time, like container trailers or something like that. And you need to cut down on weight as much as possible to make your load legal, you can run them. But if not, please do not run them. Here’s why. They cost more. If you catch a nail, you’re stuck. You can’t limp in to a shop for a repair. You risk destroying the tire and the rim if you do. And also consider availability. Super singles are not super popular. So if you find a shop that carries them, you will only have 1-2 options. And good luck finding them used. If you are buying a truck. Look for one with low pro 22.5 tires. That’s 295/75r22.5 (275/80r22.5 if you want Michelin tires.) Those are super common and you will have a much easier time price shopping different places. Also if you are looking at a truck that has 285/75r24.5 tires, either don’t buy it or ask them to lower the price by a at least $5000 so you can replace the tires and wheels. That is a dying size and is getting really hard to find. If you like the ride height of that size, consider switching to 11r22.5. It’s just as tall, but way more common
Run them both really never had problems with either in mud and snow . It comes down to brand i like the bridge stone better . As for super singles been running them since 07 . Oh this week 5300 on 2200 miles be safe
What you were thinking of was flotation (SuperSingles) versus slosh/snow penetration (duals). Chains will get through the slosh/snow - so the same argument you make @2:38 "...Super singles, you really just... ...you really just need to pay attention and maintain them properly... make sure you have good PSI in them..." Chain up to gain grip and hard penetration points through the snow - and of course going into winter, if your tread life is nearly worn down, there will be no tread clearing and they'll float (just like any other tire).
IMHO, new tools mean new skills to learn - flotation is useful on soft soils, mud and sand, where duals will quickly sink up to the frame rails. Kind of a cop out IMHO to look down on a tire that performs well on sand, mud, wet and dry pavement, but not so good on snow or slush around the freeze point - when that's one very specific road condition that is limited and manageable.
So what you're saying is they are great on construction job sites? I've seen them a lot on construction CMVs.
If you drop your air suspension then chain the dead axle to the frame and reinflate your suspension you can get yourself out of a jamb. You won't be legal if loaded but in a jamb legal is irrelevant. Just be careful to chain straight from frame rails down and directly under the bags then directly back up to the frame. It is possible to bend things down there.
I used to have Michelin X One wide-base tire 10 years ago. That's the proper name for Michelin. Super single is the name for the Good Year tires. I drove the retreat version on that tire and I didn't see any problem with the traction at this time. And I was driving in very icy road conditions with that tires. Like coming down from the canyons north of I40 winter time on a road covered with black ice. Mostly trucks even with dual tires were out of the road on that terrible winter day. I was not only good at that day but I was passing mostly trucks from the left line on that icy road without any filling that I am losing traction. 5 years ago I got dual tires on my second truck and I am keeping that tires only because if you blow a wide base tire the cost to replace is equal than you blow 2 dual tires at once. That's only the reason I will keep driving dual tires. The traction was not an issue for me with the wide base (super single) tire.
I think the majority of my problems came from the combination of the big tires and my tag axle
in my opinion , there is only one problem with the super single , it 's that you have to carry a spare tire with you because it 's hard to find a replacement on the road , especially in Canada .
I saw a video of some Asian company making supersingle tires with two separate pressure compartments , but there is only one nipple , during the ride the pressure is self - balancing.
You make some very valid points, but I also think that the type of Tire makes a world of difference. I have super singles and had tires on my truck that were intended more for road travel and refrigerated trucks. I had them swapped over to the Michelin xdn2 tires and it was beyond and Improvement. These things are like running all terrains on a pickup and AR 3 peat Snow rated. Never again will I go back to anything but these tires.
Certainly, I was running the Michelin X Line Energy D’s not the new grips. If I kept the supers that’s what I would’ve installed
@@DrivenTrucking Those are the junk tires that I had before. Literally like comparing passenger car street tires to all terrains and taking both in deep mud.
I have the same tire Michelin XDN2 great tire so far specially for vocational use!!!👍👌🏼🚛💨
Bryan I'm an ex truck driver in the Uk owner operator and I'd never put super singles on a tractor,most tractors in the uk run dual drive tyres,why doesn't your tag axle lift like the ones we have in the UK then when you want more traction you'd have it,we also have what we call mid lifts or pusher axles that do the same thing as a tag it lifts when you need it to for more traction
Anthony saftrans hey Anthony if it's ok with you I'd like to chat to you more about trucking and the U.S,it's good to have some one from over here in blitey over the in America,some one who can work both ways like I can,no offence to the truck drivers I watch but most people don't realise that an American ton is different to a British ton as the brittish ton is 240lbs more so in the U.S if you have a 15,000lb load it's not 7.5 tons like it would be in U.S tons it's it's 6.69 brittish tons,plus we in the uk have 4.54 litres to a gallon where in the U.S it's 3.87 litres per gallon,Anthony if you know of any other differences please let me know.
I have been to America loads of times on holiday there driving a minimum of 6,000 miles each trip and the shortest trips been a month and the longest been 10 weeks where I drove 15,000miles in those ten weeks,I love driving but my health stops me been a truck driver no which as Americans say really sucks.
@Fieldwav I’ve stopped watching driven trucking probs about a year ago n at a guess your in the UK like I am
@Fieldwav if I can find the link to a green Volvo in US I’ll send you it,it had a midlift axle like the ones in the UK have it looked good the dude who owned it had a single drive axle,I forgot to say i went to the US every year from 93-2004 n Canada as well I used to go for a minimum of 4wks every year n toured all over in various different cars ive driven through 45stare & 5 Canadian provinces
Did you consider leaving the super single on the dummy axle save on weight and less rolling resistance, but still get traction on your drive
If one of the Doubles blow you can still drive slow to the nearest shop ,Super singles blows you stuck on side of the road thanks for the question
Glad you are back Brian
Thank you right lane
Thanks for the explanation just this morning I was thinking about that after seeing to semis with the singles on them!
If one hauls Sail Boat fuel Super Singles maybe be the tire of choice other wise a set of low pro 22.5 tires on aluminum rims will are the closest in weight you can get to Super Singles. a quality tire like a Michelin X tire will have the capitally of getting 200,000 miles on more before need of replacement. Do a cost per mile comparison & see if the duals are better or worse.
Hello sir ..can u pls tell me which brand of tyres are used there by truckers...michelin or bridgestone pls reply
Hello ,
Can you make comments on Dummy / Tag Axle?
I Searched all your videos could not Find One!
What is your general idea about Tag axle, and did you had any serious issues driving your truck over the years with Tag axle.
Did you think about Lift kit for that axle? Or any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you
Great video, I have super singles and hate them. I am going back in the near future.
Never had singles, how are they in snow and rain I would think they suck on snow
You only can limp so far depending on the conditions of the tire you would save a road call $$$ at best.
3 times no traction then backing down the ramp will never happen again. Good work Brian. Great Vid.
I hope not lol 🤞🏻
Never had super singles way back, ran Bridgestones, pull toy here.
Good Vids Dude. I am from the UK. I have been fitting Truck Tyres. lol Tires. For over 30 years. But you guys seem so far behind the Uk.
Just come across this video, what was the cost to change from super singles to duals??$$$
Please explain how you felt you had more traction as soon as you put on the duals.... because that's where you're losing me. I saw the post you would have thd same traction on clear pavement no matter the style of tire. Tread design also plays a large role in this. I've run singles for about 8 years now, had 1 blow out due to a nail. Always ran Michelin grips (XDN2) rarely had issues, but I also have 2 live axles.
I’m pretty sure it was because of the dummy axle, I pop the clutch a little bit coming out of the shop purposefully and instead of the tires slipping it fired right out. When I did that with the singles they would always slip even if it was dry.
Does recap tires work for summer? Because I just purchased a truck with recaps but I been hearing recaps are not working when weather gets hot . And tires looks great
Keep air pressure at the right level, should be okay, but I've had them blow apart because of heat, quad axle dump truck doing asphalt work
Been running SS on one truck duals on the other. The SS has never given me any traction issues. In snow and on ice they fair the same. SS seem to last longer except in a situation where you get a nail. But how did you feel more traction automatically just in the parking lot makes no sense to me. Seems like you were driving on ice in the parking lot as soon as you switched from SS to duals? I’m confused by that statement.
Duels or super singles for tow a boat and perceptual uesd semi truck gvwr80,000 18spd tow 25,000lbs boat 37ft
can you give us an really good mpg update in a week or so? if you stay out of the snow would you save more with singles?
A little bit, with the issues lately I haven’t kept up exactly, I can just tell it’s less. When I hit the road again I’ll keep a good eye on it and update 👍🏻
Question: what size tire do you prefer for You and owner/operators? I’ve been looking for a video on it but haven’t seen one. Low pro vs 11r also rim size. Thanks
Depends on the truck and what you haul my friend. I run 275/70/r22.5 on all my step decks and 11r22.5 on my highboys/regular flats.
Truck wise 11r 22.5 has been the way I’ve gone since I don’t want to buy new Alcoa rims. Steers i have trucks that use 12r22.5 for since it allows me to scale 6100kg on my steers but nothing ring with the 11r 22.5
Glad to have you been back on team traction
How much did u spend putting duals onn
SSS super singles suck. I briefly pulled a trailer with those worthless things. 2 flats, both times stranded on the highway where they blow. Both times rim was ruined.
Can I switched from super single to dual ?did we need to buy other 4 wheels?
Is there a big difference between Meritor and Dana Spicer axles, do both come with rear lockers, is Meritor/Dana better at one application than the other?? Is it best to stick with Standard Equipment if they all have the same weight rating??
What do you mean by “dummy axle”? There’s no diff lock or power divider?
Not powered
Yep 👆🏻 it just sits there and spins, nothing else
Roughly. How much was it for the conversion?
great review
I got something really spooky for people who run duals: gravel roads and pits
How Mach it cost you to move duals?
How many months or miles were you getting from the ss? Have the same axel configuration on my truck. Run trailer tires on the tag axel. The ss drive tires last about 1 year. Do ss normally wear faster than duals? I normally get 2 years from duals.
Do you by chance know what the Weight difference you had going from the singles to the duels? I’ve got singles on my T 600 and have been very happy with them and I have two trailers that have singles and I’m considering putting singles on more of my trailers. Weight is a big factor for me. Thank you.
Single don’t look sexy on a sleepers perhaps a day cab I never could back up in a straight line with super singles and they slide in icy conditions I will never go super singles again
The Wider Tire does not have pinpoint Traction in one spot as of other tires you get more Traction in one spot
yep, acts like a surfboard on ice but like a snowshoe on snow.
How much did u pay for the conversion
Put a dump valve on the non driven axel and run super-singel on that axel.
This! Lift would be even better but dump valve is easier to install and cost-effective. European truck manufacturers tried to offer super singles about fifteen years ago but they didn't get traction... Anyway, if it's not pushing you forward it's braking you. That's why duals for drives and singles for everything else.
@@p1kkujuha Not true some forest trucks has supersingel on the drive tires in Sweden, Its about having the right tires and diff locks and dump valve. We have real diffs on both axel and we can dump the second drive axel fully loaded whit a loading crane in the back that makes almost 20 000kgs on the drive and then you have traction enough.
@@truckingswe ok, that's new to me. We have similar forest trucks as you but as far as I know we have only duals on drive axles in Finland. Depending on how axles are arranged (2+2, triple, tridem) lifting tag axle might or might not help getting traction. Having a crane back there surely helps. Some trucks like most Sisus and I think some Volvos can disconnect last drive axle and lift it while fully loaded. Weight transfer on full air rides is becoming more common too.
@@p1kkujuha Some run super singel in south sweden to save weight and diesel.
@@truckingswe that makes sense. Never been south of Stockholm but I guess there's much less ice and snow.
Keep you single tires. I keep me 8 tires. 😂🤣😅 when I have flat tires I ready runs 70 miles. 7 tires. 80.000 thousands pounds
I changed them nearly a year ago 🤷🏼♂️
dual are better in my opinion, easier to find a replacement anywhere without the high cost..
Duels only 😎 Welcome to the traction club lmao
So Driven, you’ve driven both, driven both recently? Good deal, stay driven 👊
MakeCents needs mods to keep these trolls out. ;)
I was driven all the way home 😜
Spend a winter in the midwest and youll chuck the singles.
No kidding buddy sliding around all over the place not safe in my opinion I won't work for a fleet with super singles
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
How much did it cost to do the conversion
About 8 grand i believe, could've been done cheaper though. I did not need to replace the studs though which adds cost but nothing too drastic
I’ll take duals all day. I’m running mitchlins
Can you just take the single off and put the duals on or do have to change anything like hubs or studs
You might have to swap the studs if you want aluminum wheels
@@DrivenTrucking thanks for the info, stay safe
I’m going to have to disagree. Super singles save close to 225lbs per axle they are mounted on. If you have them on both trailers and drives, you are able to scale 1000lbs more weight which can certainly add up over time.
Also when it comes to fuel economy, relieving 1000 lbs of rotating mass significantly helps with fuel economy AND stopping (uncommon fact).
If you have a 20 ton Jack and a torque multiplier like most O/O do, a blowout shouldn’t even be something to sweat. You just need one mounted super single spare and it is good for any corner besides the steer axle.
For someone who is smart and keeps an eye on their equipment, it will save more money than duals 7 days a week.
I'm not a trucker but those SS tires bother me. I saw a video on Midwest Towing where Ron had to tow a truck with SS off a soft shoulder. The SS didn't have enough traction on their own.
How munch does it cost to switch super single wheels to dual ?
Simply the cost of the rims and tires. The studs will most likely only be long enough for one aluminum wheel and one steel wheel so if you want double aluminum, you’ll have to change out the studs as well.
@@DrivenTrucking thanks sir. will we need to change something else in rear or just need new tires, rims and studs ? And any changes in hub or it’s just same for single and dual ?
@@mandipsingh8344 nope that’s it
@@DrivenTrucking thank you so much 😊
Huh...would never thought they rode better..or better fuel mileage....go figure.
I hate super singles with a passion!
Great info...do you live in the Pacific northwest?
Thanks, I live in the Houston TX area
Canada is getting stricter on carriers that use Super Singles. Say the damage the road more than duals
Now that’s a pretty cut dry deal to immediately out of the shop feel a diff Duals rule
It was crazy but I’m loving it
Good topic
that's interesting and this is the first time I've heard about that being an issue wow. still I'm big on the supers, weight/fuel etc. bottom line
One 6000 dollar road service will hurt , my super singles cost way more than the fuel saving I had over three years
@@douglasedwards983 never heard it costing that much and the stats of having a blow out isn't high enough. any huge cost can hurt any one without proper reserves, not to mention that that is a write off at the end of the year.
@@l0rdcroissant Good luck to you .
Thanks
First, the dummy axle is a joke.
Second, if you blow out a super single the rim will fall down and get ruined before you get to the side of the road. You’d think they’d have some kind of chain or something to keep the rim from hitting the pavement.
I’ve only run duels with all steel rims once to go into Canada and it made my empty weight heavier than hell. I guess that’s the advantage of super singles.
If you run the mountains in the winter and have to chain up a lot, definitely go with duels....and buy a real truck, not a flatland special.
Yeah, with all the problems going around at the moment there are some heavy decisions being made for sure
ive duals they run better and as you said you get a flat you still have one to run on
1st from Chicago
Good
The real question is, what dummy bought your old wheels? If they where free I might run them on a trailer
I need to put them on Craigslist lol
@@DrivenTrucking what tread are they?? Coming north towards WI anytime soon?
Sadly, the app costs several hundred dollars per year to get the full service.
I would love to put super singles on the back of my 88F150 rat rod
Put 40 years on your years and then talk to me traction problem is inflation
Great video. Great decision to go to the dual tires💯💪🏼
20+ years in OTR, Van, Reef, and flat. Some things to keep in mind, 1 NO DUMMY AXLES! If you buy a truck with a single screw you are an idiot, go back to being a company driver you wont make it as an O/O. 2 Super Singles = fuel economy. If you are running skateboards or spec./heavy duals are fine, fuel economy is not an issue. 3. If it is bad enough to throw chains, it is bad enough to shutdown. Don't be supertrucker, be a professional. 4 is all about fuel economy. Yeah a 389 or W900 looks GOOD, but will cost you thousands a year in fuel revenue. 5 automated transmissions shift much more economically than you can, get one.
Welcome to the 18 wheeler club and good bye to the 14 wheeler club.
He’s a dual sympathizer
Next video
Duels yep
If you run with Super Singles, you are not an 18 Wheeler anymore... you are 10 (6 tires on a 6x4 tractor unit and 4 tires on a trailer) Wheeler now.
True statement
“Steel wheels for more traction” --- with a 50k lb truck…
That steel isn’t gonna matter even a little bit
Check your air pressure every day and you will not blow a tire out.
You shouldn’t review if you have a dummy axel because very few people run a dummy
Super Single on tractor are nonsense we in Europe used them for traliers only.
You lost me at "more rolling resistance is more traction."
That is utter horseshit.
First from south bend
Duals will cut through snow much better than SS’s...SS’s sit on top of the snow. Whenever I’m in the snow and see a truck in the ditch, 70% of the time it’s running SS.
Dummy Axel!!!!!!
First from south bend