I got .67 mpg better my first year . I've had holes in the tire's and had to replace them . I also got 400,000 out of the first set and they had 11/32nds ( on the lowest tire ) out of 4 . I also run nothing but Michelin . You forgot to mention better ride , much smoother . I pull an RGN trailer and nothing I put on the trailer is aerodynamic .
Even better buy the airline and take the glad hand fitting off and replace it with a standard npt fitting and put a female npt on the air tank and have much higher pressure 😉
i spent 20 years as a fleet owner. here is all you need to know about singles. if you blow one on the road you are going to get a 600-1000 road call bill and many hours of downtime plus a late load. if you blow one of a duel you just drive to the truckstop and get it repaired.
As a driver who doesnt own shit , I recently blew a supersingle 1 mile from nearest truck stop but dont even think about limping with the remaining 3 cus I damaged the rim , still its a pity but if i had duals i would still try to get to nearest truck stop , not to save someone's money but to be able to eat and shower as a decent person do.....so yeah Duals is the way to go....
I'm not a fan of super singles I've run both and prefer duals. Even if they save you 1500 a years that's a little over a 100 a month. With the difference in traction I've noticed even on wet roads or ice no way with super singles
The biggest problem on supersingles: Old school drivers that refuse to change but are forced to do it for X reason, they will complain that the tires suck from day one & will pass the information to other peers that will add up their own version without even trying them themselves, on their eyes SuperSigle tires will never be better than duals no matter how much you try to convince them, only a true owner operator can tell apart the difference from the money wise perspective. I have tried both & I came 2 the conclusion that the best way to apreciate the $ saving factor is to use SS seasonally (Duals on winter, SS on Spring, Sumer & part of Fall)
And another thing: You're gonna need a storage place 4 your extra tires & rims but it's totally worth it because not only you can store your tires but unnecessary stuff taking space in your house or truck, of course it's expensive to buy a whole set of tires & rims but once you're set you'll notice the savings in the next 2 years, your tires will last you way longer specially your winter tires, I'm on my 3rd year with the same winter tires & by the looks I think they can last me another 3 years easily, just put tire shine on the walls so they don't get dry, keep an eye on the pressure & change positions from time to time.
Juan Garcia Good advice, I’ve had many of discussion about winter tires versus summer tires. Also a friend of mine recommended this tire pressure monitoring system, the sensors are only 45 bucks apiece so that’s not bad for drives in steers to know precisely at all times what the level is without having to get out the Chuck. I’ve got the perfect spot for some tires 👍🏻 at some point I will do this but like you said it is expensive.
In addition to the blowout issue you mentioned, my other problem with super singles is the cost. Say you pick up a large bolt or spike(both I have done with super singles) you can’t repair those holes so now, instead of paying to replace one regular tire, you have to replace a larger, more expensive tire. Also, if you blow a super single, does the wheel touch the ground? If so you have to think of the damage being done there. These are rare events, yet very possible. To me having the piece of mind is much more valuable than the $750 you may save in a year. Just one fellas opinion.
If we all played the "what if" game we'd have numerous reasons to never leave the house.... Seriously. You can patch road damage the same as singles and if the very rare event you had to replace one for road carnage so what, you might have replaced both duals anyways if it's big debris. I would not run them in scrap metal service or landfill... But otr or regional road trucks... Hell yes.
Can't have a rock get stuck between duals on a super single. You can puncture a sidewalk with a sharp stick. If you get a blowout it's more than likely going to be a road hazard in a sidewall. 2x as many sidewalls on duals than on singles. Also, a rim might touch the groubd but it's probably not going to have a ton of pressure on it with the bag stretched way out and the axle atriculated.
@@incompetentinquisitor3667 lol after rereading my comment I see that I didn’t make myself clear. The huge spike I picked up left an enormous hole in the tire. I don’t know how many plugs it would have taken, but I know it would have been at least a whole pack. As far as the bolt seal I picked up, it went through the sidewall.
I used my reward points at loves and got a free air hose with a glad hand on it. I took the air chuck off of it and put on a quick connect fitting. I’ve been able to run an impact and air ratchet on it saving my ass countless times.
If you have a Bobtail tanker for fuel don't drive when empty with super singles you can hydroplane very easy in the rain especially the wrong tires for rain! The water has nowhere to go! You'll go skiing believe me!
Still excellent video. You explained it well enough that I knew that you got tongue tied. You sounded like you wanted to say duals have more resistance , but, as what often happens to me, brain fart took over. 🙂
The major "difference" in mpg comes from the aluminum turned vs stamped steel wheels(usually on the duals with built in deflection) and composition of rubber compounds
Sounds like they need to have a run flat super single that would solve the biggest issue with them other than you would need a set of duals for the winter...
The amount of tread knobs vs ribs makes a difference also, If you want the best mileage just put steer tires all the way around and up your mileage at least 0.5%
I like the super single tire, except one thing. When you catch the uneven spots on the asphalt. They really just don’t handle that well. They are good in the snow if you chain up. The vehicle becomes a tank
What trucker goes down the road without an air hose with a tire chuck on it to hook up to your gladhand? Super singles have LESS rolling resistance. Duals have two wheels which work against each other and should have their lugnuts re-torqued regularly. Duals also are always loaded a little more or less each than singles. Duals when they blow out can take out the other tire of the duals. How many people actually check the air pressure on the inside dual when they should. Duals work against each other in different rolling resistance. And NO, you can't keep driving down the road when one of the duals blow out or go flat, so no different than a single. Another reason to carry the hose is when switching trailers a lot. You should always check the tire pressure with a gauge not a billy. I had a blowout with one of the duals and was limping to the next exit and got a $640 ticket from a trooper. Also picked up a trailer where all of the tires were less than 80 psi. Also had a blowout and in seconds it cut the inside tire as well. By the time I stopped, the rims were on the pavement. Some of my experiences with duals.
I think the biggest argument to keep duals on a truck is a lazy driver that doesn't check pressure or even thump tires. Ignorance and laziness with SS tires drives most of the myths.
Super singles suck in the winter had a blowout on one the truck just stopped in the middle of a interstate in new York state had to call the cops almost got killed was fully loaded no shoulder don't like them
I'm a company driver that does flatbed. I love them. But the real down fall. Is when you are on a asphalt highway. And there are deep ruts grooves on both sides of the lane. Or dual tire tracks ruts on the road. It does get a little squirrely. Cause the wide SS cant fit in dual tracks or elongated ruts. I run pretty heavy being at legal gross weight 80k. Usually 40k to 48k load weight.
I’ve seen trucks on the side of the road with super singles and they didn’t look like they run bad tires. I had a blow out in Houston one time and a hurricane was on the way I was at a TA waiting when dispatch called me back and said there was no tire man around they were all evacuating so I drove back to Louisiana at 50 miles a hour and stopped to check the heat on the single every couple hours glad I had an extra tire that day and that was on a triple axel drop deck and I am in the oilfield so I wouldn’t use them but to each his own. Good video brother keep up the good work
When not if you ever have a flat from something you ran over in a parking lot on on the road Your going to ruin your rim before you can get pulled over Nothing is keeping the rim up
Got my first truck with super singles last year. I don't notice any difference at all in ride or handling but I wish I could balance them. I don't know if you can. Fuel mileage is better than 7 @80,000 gross all the time as my trailer is a fixed equipment unit. I figure they'll last 500,000 miles as there is already 250,000 on them. (MICHELIN) Weight is the main reason for having them along with disc brakes and aluminum fifth wheel. Love the disc brakes!
I was at an LTL reefer company who had switched to super singles. Though they did get better milage the company decided to go back to doubles because of issues with the cost or repair or replace due to damages. This company has over 200 tractors and way more trailers. So they are not some small mom and pop shop.
First off. I know you posted this 5 months ago but I bet you're eating those last words now don't plan on doing any heavy haul. Second and more to the point. When I was on the company side of driving I'd always check my tires but I would blow trailer tires at least once a month. (I would switch trailers every other day doing drop and hook) I've blown in 1 year 9 super singles. And almost as many duels. I'll stick with duels any day of the week.
Frictional force is a function of normal force and coefficient of friction of the surface. This means that weight or downforce and the type of materials are what changes frictional force. I assume super singles and dualies have or can have the same composition, so it would have to be weight that reduces the frictional force.
Bob Quintin soo right ! The mpg is the same if both sets have machined rims (not stamped ) and who wants to take a corner in a mountain with half as many sidewalls ? I saw a single blow out , shred the sidewall and fly off as a sleeve ! Thats a lot of weight to throw in front of another truck or 4 wheeler (there will be fatalities)
@@guysumpthin2974 Go explain that to the Corvette guy that he needs to replace the low aspect ratio tires for tall sidewall , skinnier bicycle tires to make it handle better 😂👍 The machining of rims has nothing to do with sidewall flex and rolling resistance. The singles win every time in less resistance to rolling... regardless of the rim , steel or aluminum. Steel is idiotic though.
Bob, whether single or dual a stripped tread will still cause the carnage, I've seen the EXACT same thing from duals with destroying an APU and fenders.
It's a bogus argument as usual in trucking. If you want traction, you need to buy a tire with the correct tread pattern. Nothing to do with it being single or dual. Duals with a crap rib tread are going be worse than a single with semi broken or lug tread patterns. It's very true that a snow tread single can easily get better traction than a dual. It's the tread doing the work.
I'm in Canada. Now mind you I don't run a trailer, I do straight truck. But I have supers on it and in the winter I love them. I've not had a problem yet(knock on wood)
Is not the tire with the LEAST rolling resistance the one that offers better fuel mileage? Also the weight savings you speak of has to do with the weight of the "rotating mass". The less weight of a tire wheel assembly, the less parasitic resistance. In other words the less fuel burned just to spin the tire and wheel by itself.
I'm happy I stopped by and checked out your video. I'm building a boat. It's within the legal size and weight to haul with most 3/4 ton pickup trucks, 36ft. overall and 8'4" wide. I do plan to move the boat across the US to a few different places, and some areas of Canada and Alaska. I am looking into MDT and single axle long wheelbase day cab trucks to haul it with. With the day cab, I may look at one with a small bunk sleeper, of course, I could always bunk in the boat. Anyway, back to SS. The trucks I look at usually need tires and the wheels look rough. I had considered going SS and leaving the duals for the other guys to run. I'll never wear a set out. They will more than likely be replaced when they age out or become dry rotted. Being that my boat will weight just shy of 10,000lbs dry, I'll never overload them. BTW, I live off I-26 in Spartanburg County SC. I'm right behind a large heavily trafficked truck stop. I've never seen a SS blow out or flat. I see duals being repaired/replaced multiple times a day. Yes, there's more duals running but I have been seeing a big surge in SS being run over the past few years. I am seeing them daily now instead of occasionally. I think that means something. I'll let you guys figure out what. Drive safe everyone.
Not all but definitely most. We still use duals in certain applications like log trucks and transfer trailers. With 76 metric tons gcw and nine axles 60% of weight must be on duals.
They suck in Slippery conditions because I think the set of duals becomes a water Channel whereas the Super Single is a big footprint that rides on top of the surface of the water or ice. Also I think if you're on a surface that is black top and they are where channels in the blacktop the super singles act like train trucks and make it squirrely. Anyhoo I don't mess with them.
Back to duals now, nice I don't have to worry about ss. Utilizing auto inflation they still blow, rim damage is the issue, hairline cracking , consider rim replace if blowout
The thing I have against singles is they don't stick out as far as duals do. In a emergency lane switch it could lead to a roll over. $ wise singles are it.
Yeah I hope they don’t all do it, I do know that a lot of them will shut it off when it’s really cold though to keep the pipes from freezing but some do it just regardless.
Driven Trucking I pulled in and fueled and gonna air a drive tire, tire monitor sensor froze and loosened, even spending $600+ fuel def and food, the shop told me once the tire hits a certain psi I think like 40-50 they have to remove and inspect. With the guy seeing the problem his words exactly. Man I can’t let you get air I have to remove the tire the psi is at 45 and that’s too low, I say yeah it’s low I need air only nothing else, he said can’t help ya man gotta get you in the shop there’s 7-8 trucks ahead of you! Are you gonna wait?
The heating and cooling cycles of a tire combined with altitude changes is rough on tires for air pressure (less safe more sway ) the least sensitive tires to air pressure changes have an aspect ratio of near 100% (sidewall height equals tread width ) like duals . Sup singles are closer to 65% aspect ratio (rectangular cross section trying to become round under pressure) making the center of the tire sensitive to over/under inflation, more sway . The claim of mpg comes from tests on machined aluminum rims ,the run a straighter circle , making that a (falsehood ), then there is the snow traction facts , if rubber compound and sipes are equal, 100% aspect ratio wins , 65%ratio looses
I find it hard to believe there’s a 40% difference between the two. If that was the case they wouldn’t be used as heavily as they are, they’re the tire of choice in Canada as well as parts of Europe. From a business perspective (not mine) there are many large companies running them so it’s clear they aren’t that bad of a choice. And there’s a large difference in fuel mileage which is being downplayed here. You also didn’t mention how the sidewalks on the SS are stronger compared to the duals so there’s that as well. I’m certain there’s a ton of information missing from both sides of the point on this one in this conversation.
Driven Trucking i give u facts , u give me bs opinions, wats the point , near 100% minus approximately 65 = approximately 35% , as we all know there are some options on tires , add machined aluminum rims all around (trailer too and u can pick up that "huge" mpg gain. Half as many sidewalls , unless there 2x the cords and 2x the thickness (which they're not) u have no point , a falsehood is a falsehood
Love watching you and make cents... best guys on TH-cam.. Got my cdl in 1998 and wish I had had guys like you two to turn to for info in the beginning... Keep up the good work guys
I thought the only people that liked super singles were the tire guys; They get to sell you a rim as well as a tire when you have a blow out. I've driven both and found that the super singles in the snow were a pain. Great video's
Im a tire guy,...been at it a long time,..i hate super singles. They are always destoyed and i can make more money running doubles on you, especially if you run caps.
The carriers pushing super singles are always the ones with large recruiting depts. and 'bean counters' that have factored in the cost of operating a unit tractor and/or trailer per mile allowing for cost of a replacement tire. NOT the cost of time for the driver to his logs and schedule. Dispatch doesn't give a shit you sat for 3 and half hours on a busy Interstate and you ran out of hours. Out here in the NW I see fewer and fewer tractors running super singles.
I am up in Canada. The last thing i want is to be dead on the side of the road out in the middle of nowhere in -40 temps when with duels i could limp home. Same as i always carry enough tools and parts to fix almost anything.
I drove a few million miles, light snow, heavy rain, deep snow in the high country... U can't stay on the road. I don't use chains unless it is to get out of trouble. I have run super singles and they run hotter which shortens life of the tire plus with blow outs from road hazards then you will want duals. I do "sipe" the tires and it works better than studs and you can corner like Mario Andretti" and never lose an inch of traction
I laser temperature measure my tires and have not seen what you're saying on any of my equipment. The singles have actually ran 5-15° cooler than the dual tires on average but i run the tires at 120-125psi cold.....I think this is where most people caused the failure because they try to run 100 PSI or 110 in a super single and then blame the tire when it fails..... Super singles should always be ran at 120 PSI or better to stay cool...Unless you're off road and need the floatation
1) can we see more footage of the actual Tires and maybe a little less footage of you :) 2) Smart Trucker talks about how happy the service guys are because flats on these also destroy Rims. Savings? Any thoughts?
Lol 👍🏻 I’ll try to remember that in the future 😊 I don’t feel like that’s an issue. With proper tire care and maintenance, the vast majority of blow outs and flats can be avoided. Of course not all can be avoided but I know too many people running these and don’t have issues.
No matter if you run singles or duals, you HAVE to take care of them. I know singles have been around for years, however, I have no personal experience with them. I'm sure they've improved over the years, just like recap tires have. I just don't trust either one. When I buy shoes for my trucks, they're ALWAYS virgin. I don't own any trailers, but, if I did, they'd get virgin rubber every time too. The only tire issues I've ever had have been on company trailers running recaps.
I seen a PeterBilt with those super single tires lose traction on a small hill on a cold snowy ,he literally had to back down the hill twice to get a running start .
Sounds like you need to buy a glad hand air chuck driver, bought mine for about $25 at the truck stop and that's all I use now. Almost every truck stop has them. Also, i removed the tire chuck part from the hose and installed a fitting on the end so it will now accept other air tools such as a dremel tool etc. Which I know is going to be a life saver one day. Especially in the world of O/O and flatbedding. Be safe out there driver
Appreciate the heads up. It’s been on my list of things to buy for emergencies, though I was told it will only put so much air into the tires and since I run 120 psi, it wouldn’t fill mine up. However, I still want one for emergencies. How much air will it put in your tires?
@@DrivenTrucking if you kick up the idle on the truck I doubt it would have to much of a trouble. Worse case it's a helluva lot better then being stuck.
@@DrivenTrucking hmm never heard of that buddy? I bought the most expensive, biggest diameter hose they had. I have duels on my truck but I still run 120psi in my drives and then I run 105psi in my right side steer and 100psi in my left steer. Usually I add air to my tires when I go home since I'm usually home every week or two but I have also used my glad hand to fill tires frequently. Actually, this summer I had a valve stem go bad in one of my steer tires and pulled off in a small diner parking lot and changed the stem. In the process my steer went almost completely flat and I filled it back to 105psi with no issues
Duallys and Super Singles, they are both good. But on the safety side. I can't help to think a dually is better. When you take the outer width of a dually set up and change it out to super single, you move the tires in about 6" on each side more or less. So in theory in high wind or taking a corner a bit fast you increase your tip over factor. because you shortened your stance by 12" or so. Now if they made trailer axles wider to compensate for this, then that is a different story. I just don't like the thought of a top heavy tanker rolling around with a less than superior stance.
that's where you get the fuel efficiency on super singles the tires are tucked in...and not grabbing so much air..look at Volvo front steer tires...there tucked in the front fender well
They make wide axles for single tires.... You can also get a dual trac drive axle to run either style. With a +2 rim single on dual trac you're same width as duals
I've had 2 Goodyear super singles blown out in the same wheel position. Last blowout left a 3 foot hole on my deck. Could be that Goodyear is junk. Replacing them with Michelin. I'm getting about 18 months out of the Goodyear tires that haven't blown. Even wear. Have a single drive axle with a rear tag. I have not been able to find a shop that can balance super singles. Do you know of one? Going to try out a couple of the X one D Grip. Its replacing the XDN2 and has a lower rolling resistance.
I put the x line energy d’s on and I’m loving them. Just rotated which I’ll be doing every 30k. How often do you rotate? I have not explored a good balancing technique yet. I don’t think the centromatics are worth the price in the end. Some time first quarter I’m going by chad hone’s (I believe that’s how you spell it) shop in Kansas City. He’s the alignment king, I’d bet he knows about balancing the supers
Driven Trucking I rotate the front drive axle as needed. I tried running trailer tires on the tag. I think just running all drive tires is better because of being able to rotate all drive positions. I saw Chad in K.C. for an alignment. I didn't ask him about a shop for super single balancing.
Todd Johnson I was actually curious about running trailers on the tag. I just rotated mine before Christmas. And I also need to get over to see Chad as well
Yo, I have a question about winter driving and weight. When you have a load and it's not heavy when you have to adjust the tandems to scale right. My question is about a light load when it does not matter where tandems are slid. Do you want to have majority of the weight on your drive tires, do you want to balance it out evenly, or do you want majority of weight on tandems?
In winter, with a light load you would have them load it towards the front of the trailer, putting as much weight on your drive axles as you can scale in order to maximize traction in the snow and ice. Most flatbed and stepdeck trailers are stationary split axle and dont adjust. So if your pulling a van I would load towards the front of the trailer and adjust your axles towards the rear. I learned from old school truckers that the rule of thumb is to carry your load, not pull on it. It's easier on the truck especially when pulling hills and can also increase mpgs
Liked your video. I had singles on a truck i bought and ran them on that for awhile. Loved the ride and saved on fuel. They did great in weather conditions but I run landfills some and they didn't do very well in the muddy conditions. I ended up selling that that truck but kept the singles and put them on my dump trailer. Since everything in the dump trailer world is based on weight the money I've gained by my trailer being lighter because of the singles they have definitely paid for themselves.
I’m not an owner operator but the company I drive for runs wide base on all our trucks and I have to say I really don’t have a problem with traction; but I did notice you said you have a tag axle our trucks a true tandem I’ve found the only thing they don’t like is thick ice but I don’t know of any tire that does well in thick ice conditions. I will say this though I wouldn’t run them on a truck I owned just for the fact that if you do catch a blowout depending on how long you are waiting for a tire man you will without a doubt be buying a rim aswell but other than that I really don’t have a gripe about them
The original stupid singles we're a standard casing that was simply widened, they didn't bother to beef them up for the extra width of the casing.... The newer super singles are pretty good for most applications, but for many vocational applications, duals are still preferred... Good video! Thanks! Oh, BTW... You do realize, you have your own air.... Incidentally at 120psi.....
Super singles have been around for along time. I use to work at Bandag recapping semi tires. 22.5, 24.5 and wide base (super singles) this was back in the early 1980's
@@quentonsmith6085 I'm just repeating what the tire guy told me that the super singles were his #1 money makers...I am not speaking from experience and not about to argue with someone who does have experience like your self brother, stay safe and take care
They are good road tires, but they are horrible if you run on/off road like I do hauling cement and doing spread jobs at construction sites and oil rig sites. Our drivers get stuck all the time with super singles.
It's the tread selection. Tell them to air down some if running on soft dirt, the super singles have some capacity to float where dual tires do not..... I guarantee most drivers are going to be too lazy to do this though
Well, nothing worse than a stone or brick end jammed between twin wheels, which is why big off road gear doesn’t run duel wheels unless it absolutely has too. - In the U.K. we have some 11,000kg front axels, so you see super singles on those. - In the U.K. back in the day you only saw them on petrol tankers. Allegedly the reason was the risk of one flat duely causing a fire.
I keep hearing more and more about how other parts of the world use super singles 👍🏻 I find that really cool. When I was getting an oil change the other day, the guy next to me had super singles on his steers. It made the truck look mean LOL
we have 45 ton 8 wheel trucks here, with concrete batchers on the back. Twins on the back and 4 steering super single on the front. (twin steer) They are about to get banned though, because they have been running under "mobile plant"
Super singles aren't less rolling resistant than duals. It's the tire compound. I run super singles on a Cascadia. Duals on a 379. The 379 gets better fuel mileage. The ride is smoother. Super singles are only good in dry weather. Companies that used to run super singles are going back to duals. That says a lot by itself.
I can give you a good example of why I would not be super singles. Because of what happened to me this week. I had to replace a tire we're one of the cords inside broke, and the tire was barely six months old. It would have cost me twice as much to replace a super single when something like that happens
Hello , Can you make comments on Dummy / Tag Axle? I Searched all your videos could not Find One! What is your general idea about Tag axle, and did you had any serious issues driving your truck over the years with Tag axle. Did you think about Lift kit for that axle? Or any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you
I've driven for 18 years and only count 3 or 4 tires I've blown. I run 81,000 on straight truck triaxle supers on front and lifts, or 140,000lbs triaxle truck and pup. 5 axle livebottoms with 2 super single lifts 9000kg. Never a supersingle. Only ever blown a dual tire. (Only one of them). Running them at our fleet since at least 1994 on steerable lifts. Never drives but have others who run with us who do. Key is keep them inflated!!
I carry a glad hand with a quick coupler and a 50ft 1/4" very flex able airline(to take the cold weather up here) with tire chuck and guage, also a blow gun. Handy for cleaning. Never rely on others to do what you can do yourself
I've run supers for 9yrs. Will be switching to duals for one reason. If one blows out, the other keeps the rim up. Other than that. Singles seem to ride smoother if you're in the sleeper. Also the cost in tires is less with duals. I ran the northern states, CO,WY,ND,SD,MT,ID, and NE. Not a problem in the snow(deep at times) if you buy the right tires. Also yes this guy needs to buy an air hose, duh.
SS tires are great for regional fuel haulers. More payload by reducing the weight of your tires and wheels for SS. now, with SS tires you expect to have a lower rolling resistance to lower fuel consumption. For long haul application dual tires are recommended but with low rolling resistance tires. If you blow a tire on the road, you wont ruin your wheel by the time you make it out of the road or the next exit. No tire technician will work on your truck if you are on a dangerous spot and you will have to drive out to the next exit.... Did I forget to mention that it will be harder for you to find a SS tire in the middle fo the desert at 12am on Christmas eve?
I like the super singles but they never really worked well in deep snow. But other than that I can see company's or owner operators using them. Its really kind of hard to say. I've driven both and have no complaints with either,except the snow.
Can't see any difference with SS or dualies. Get a flat your on the side of the road same as you would with your steers. Had a inner dual blow out and it took out the side wall on the outer tyre cost the company two tyres. I rest my case.
Richard Short still assuring to have an extra tire I have been able to make it to a tire shop after a tire blew No roadside or towing bill makes a happy o/o
-Ryano- Ryan I understand Ryan where I our coming from, I've experienced that security before but there is always the same chance with any of your tyres going flat and taking out its partner. The pluses and minuses even out it's each to his own. All I ask is you stay safe brother, keep the rubber side down and God bless you and your family always. ✝
-Ryano- Ryan I miss the road especially long haul to the states and back to Canada but will be 65 this month and the wife wants me home for good. Driving local is no fun, city traffic is to stressful for everyday I need a view. Montana, Idaho, SD, Wyoming, Texas will all be a huge miss going forward. Oh well time beats us all eventually. Wishing you the best life can give you and your family until the Lord takes us home.
Do you have a tire monitor system on your truck and trailer? I do and its worth every penny I sent on my duals I even run crossfires to keep them equal I am every picky on my tires especially my trl with super singles.
I’ve never had an issue in snow or rain but I also have high quality tires. Ice, they are not as good as duals for me. It mainly has to do with the tag axle I have in the back though. Overall, the difference is actually minimal. Ideally though, I’d run duals in winter and supers the rest of the time.
The traction bs is a myth. They are no worse than duals comparing apples to apples treads and depths, proper pressures. Actually in soft sand or dirt...you can air down a single and float where duals just stay stuck. Sidewalls actually have LESS sway for better stability because of the lower aspect ratio of the tire.
I have ran supers on my trucks and trailers and one of the biggest issues I had was running chains on them. The cross link chains bow and arch at speeds above 20 25 mph. They will tear up quarter fenders. I ran heavy haul northwest regional in winter and it was a living hell. On duals you can chain up and run 45 mph with no problems. Other than that issue i have found them to be pretty sure footed on ice and snow and they work really good on trailer positions. I would say that when I get my next truck and trailer I will run SS on my trailer (flatbed spread) and run dually on my tractor just in case I need to run in the snow.
If your air gauges on your dash pressure up to approx 120 - 140 psi before the compressor kicks off. I would think this is how much air it could fill you tires to with a glad hand and hose with a air chuck. ?
@@DrivenTrucking I have one those air hoses with a chuck. At some point the compressor struggles to air the tractors air tank fast enough to over do it. The pressure in the tire trying to escape, balances out the pressure coming in. I've found at around 80 PSI how easily the tire fills will slow down quite a bit, as you wait for the PSI in the air tank to be greater than the pressure in the tire. Especially after you've exhausted the air in the tank to fill the tire. I'm not saying you couldn't get the tire to over inflate, more so that you would honestly have to be trying to. Believe me, you'll check the tire pressure gauge a few times before you get there. Also, someone below below mentions putting one together yourself. Whilst I get his point about being an O/O and fixing things yourself. I attempted to do just that (buy the parts separately), and found it wasn't worth it. I found the assembled line, with a higher maximum hose PSI (300), for the same price as all the loose parts sold separately. Without having to put the time in, to piece it all together. Most dealerships with a parts store will have them ( I found mine in a Freightliner), and I would assume most large truck stops.
doesntmatterdoesit I was researching that this morning actually as far as piecing one together myself but I was thinking exactly what you’re describing with the air compressor. I’ll probably just pick one up at the truck stop most likely.
Not as durable , dependable, or safe as a dually, one half of the sidewall strength , more sensitive than dually to over/ under inflation and temp changes . A blowout will/can come off as a sleeve (hazard/liability) or peel with likely damage to truck or trailer . Dually with MACHINED rims is best . The mpg difference is usually vs STAMPED rims,the deflection in each stamped dual set is where the slight mpg loss comes from , which is nothing compared to the mpg loss with old web hubs , who doesn't want greater stability, strength, load capacity = use the duals
I got .67 mpg better my first year . I've had holes in the tire's and had to replace them . I also got 400,000 out of the first set and they had 11/32nds ( on the lowest tire ) out of 4 . I also run nothing but Michelin .
You forgot to mention better ride , much smoother .
I pull an RGN trailer and nothing I put on the trailer is aerodynamic .
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RGN trailer?
Yeah I've grown to love singles , with tire inflation on the trailer is a big winning combo. And the ride is so much better
What is an RGN trailer?
@@hg2. RGN stands for Removable Goose Neck. The lowboys they use for heavy equipment and oversize loads.
Just buy a $25 line with a glad hand and chuck on it. Hook it up to your emergency line. Then supply the air. Air your tires
U can't be givin away the jewels like that man lol
I came to the comments to see if anyone had told him this.
It seems like common sense to most, you have air on your truck, use it lol
Even better buy the airline and take the glad hand fitting off and replace it with a standard npt fitting and put a female npt on the air tank and have much higher pressure 😉
Lawrence Shingler why would you give top secrets like that.
You gotta let these newbies pay them truck stop dues befor they realize a a couple dollars and an air hose would’ve been easier
i spent 20 years as a fleet owner. here is all you need to know about singles. if you blow one on the road you are going to get a 600-1000 road call bill and many hours of downtime plus a late load. if you blow one of a duel you just drive to the truckstop and get it repaired.
And possibly get ticketed and put out of service because operating on a flat tire is an out of service violation.
@@scottcurry479 least with duals your chance of rim on the road is greatly reduced
freethinker52, you're not one of those owners who illegally makes your driver drive with a blown tire to the repair shop are you?
As a driver who doesnt own shit , I recently blew a supersingle 1 mile from nearest truck stop but dont even think about limping with the remaining 3 cus I damaged the rim , still its a pity but if i had duals i would still try to get to nearest truck stop , not to save someone's money but to be able to eat and shower as a decent person do.....so yeah Duals is the way to go....
I'm not a fan of super singles I've run both and prefer duals. Even if they save you 1500 a years that's a little over a 100 a month. With the difference in traction I've noticed even on wet roads or ice no way with super singles
My big issue with them is just the cool factor. You can't say you drive an 18 wheeler if you don't actually have 18 wheels.
The biggest problem on supersingles: Old school drivers that refuse to change but are forced to do it for X reason, they will complain that the tires suck from day one & will pass the information to other peers that will add up their own version without even trying them themselves, on their eyes SuperSigle tires will never be better than duals no matter how much you try to convince them, only a true owner operator can tell apart the difference from the money wise perspective. I have tried both & I came 2 the conclusion that the best way to apreciate the $ saving factor is to use SS seasonally (Duals on winter, SS on Spring, Sumer & part of Fall)
You’re exactly exactly right. I would love to seasonally run my tires as well. That’s something I will look into in a few years probably. Well said 👏🏻
And another thing: You're gonna need a storage place 4 your extra tires & rims but it's totally worth it because not only you can store your tires but unnecessary stuff taking space in your house or truck, of course it's expensive to buy a whole set of tires & rims but once you're set you'll notice the savings in the next 2 years, your tires will last you way longer specially your winter tires, I'm on my 3rd year with the same winter tires & by the looks I think they can last me another 3 years easily, just put tire shine on the walls so they don't get dry, keep an eye on the pressure & change positions from time to time.
Juan Garcia Good advice, I’ve had many of discussion about winter tires versus summer tires. Also a friend of mine recommended this tire pressure monitoring system, the sensors are only 45 bucks apiece so that’s not bad for drives in steers to know precisely at all times what the level is without having to get out the Chuck. I’ve got the perfect spot for some tires 👍🏻 at some point I will do this but like you said it is expensive.
In addition to the blowout issue you mentioned, my other problem with super singles is the cost. Say you pick up a large bolt or spike(both I have done with super singles) you can’t repair those holes so now, instead of paying to replace one regular tire, you have to replace a larger, more expensive tire.
Also, if you blow a super single, does the wheel touch the ground? If so you have to think of the damage being done there. These are rare events, yet very possible. To me having the piece of mind is much more valuable than the $750 you may save in a year. Just one fellas opinion.
I understand your position 😊👍🏻
If we all played the "what if" game we'd have numerous reasons to never leave the house.... Seriously. You can patch road damage the same as singles and if the very rare event you had to replace one for road carnage so what, you might have replaced both duals anyways if it's big debris. I would not run them in scrap metal service or landfill... But otr or regional road trucks... Hell yes.
Can't have a rock get stuck between duals on a super single. You can puncture a sidewalk with a sharp stick. If you get a blowout it's more than likely going to be a road hazard in a sidewall. 2x as many sidewalls on duals than on singles.
Also, a rim might touch the groubd but it's probably not going to have a ton of pressure on it with the bag stretched way out and the axle atriculated.
Hang on, you can’t patch a tyre on the US? 😂
@@incompetentinquisitor3667 lol after rereading my comment I see that I didn’t make myself clear. The huge spike I picked up left an enormous hole in the tire. I don’t know how many plugs it would have taken, but I know it would have been at least a whole pack. As far as the bolt seal I picked up, it went through the sidewall.
I used my reward points at loves and got a free air hose with a glad hand on it. I took the air chuck off of it and put on a quick connect fitting. I’ve been able to run an impact and air ratchet on it saving my ass countless times.
Super Singles can be changed without having to remove the wheel off the vehicle, which is a huge time saver.
Sure is 👍🏻
Those super singles are terrible on ice and snowy roads
No, they're not.
If you have a Bobtail tanker for fuel don't drive when empty with super singles you can hydroplane very easy in the rain especially the wrong tires for rain! The water has nowhere to go! You'll go skiing believe me!
03:46 ( the super singles are “ less rolling resistant”, not more rolling resistant, because they have two less sidewalls, which equal less friction.
I don’t know why I was getting confused that day 😂😂 thank you
Still excellent video. You explained it well enough that I knew that you got tongue tied. You sounded like you wanted to say duals have more resistance , but, as what often happens to me, brain fart took over. 🙂
The major "difference" in mpg comes from the aluminum turned vs stamped steel wheels(usually on the duals with built in deflection) and composition of rubber compounds
Why don't they
have run flat tires?
Sounds like they need to have a run flat super single that would solve the biggest issue with them other than you would need a set of duals for the winter...
The amount of tread knobs vs ribs makes a difference also, If you want the best mileage just put steer tires all the way around and up your mileage at least 0.5%
That is true, I know a few guys that do that in the summer
I like the super single tire, except one thing. When you catch the uneven spots on the asphalt. They really just don’t handle that well. They are good in the snow if you chain up. The vehicle becomes a tank
What trucker goes down the road without an air hose with a tire chuck on it to hook up to your gladhand?
Super singles have LESS rolling resistance. Duals have two wheels which work against each other and should have their lugnuts re-torqued regularly. Duals also are always loaded a little more or less each than singles. Duals when they blow out can take out the other tire of the duals. How many people actually check the air pressure on the inside dual when they should. Duals work against each other in different rolling resistance. And NO, you can't keep driving down the road when one of the duals blow out or go flat, so no different than a single.
Another reason to carry the hose is when switching trailers a lot. You should always check the tire pressure with a gauge not a billy.
I had a blowout with one of the duals and was limping to the next exit and got a $640 ticket from a trooper. Also picked up a trailer where all of the tires were less than 80 psi. Also had a blowout and in seconds it cut the inside tire as well. By the time I stopped, the rims were on the pavement.
Some of my experiences with duals.
I think the biggest argument to keep duals on a truck is a lazy driver that doesn't check pressure or even thump tires.
Ignorance and laziness with SS tires drives most of the myths.
Super singles suck in the winter had a blowout on one the truck just stopped in the middle of a interstate in new York state had to call the cops almost got killed was fully loaded no shoulder don't like them
Totally understandable
Had to stop... You couldn't creep along in low?
@@AS-we9xi nope
I'm a company driver that does flatbed. I love them. But the real down fall. Is when you are on a asphalt highway. And there are deep ruts grooves on both sides of the lane. Or dual tire tracks ruts on the road. It does get a little squirrely. Cause the wide SS cant fit in dual tracks or elongated ruts. I run pretty heavy being at legal gross weight 80k. Usually 40k to 48k load weight.
I definitely won’t miss the ruts LOL
Nice to hear someone else talk about drive tire rotation. I get an extra 65000 out of a set.
I’ve seen trucks on the side of the road with super singles and they didn’t look like they run bad tires.
I had a blow out in Houston one time and a hurricane was on the way I was at a TA waiting when dispatch called me back and said there was no tire man around they were all evacuating so I drove back to Louisiana at 50 miles a hour and stopped to check the heat on the single every couple hours glad I had an extra tire that day and that was on a triple axel drop deck and I am in the oilfield so I wouldn’t use them but to each his own. Good video brother keep up the good work
Thanks a lot Lester 👍🏻
Technically if you have a blowout with duels you should not proceed according to dot. So that argument means nothing.
When not if you ever have a flat
from something you ran over in a parking lot on on the road
Your going to ruin your rim before you can get pulled over
Nothing is keeping the rim up
Naahhhh just add air it’ll work I promise🤞🏻🤣
Got my first truck with super singles last year. I don't notice any difference at all in ride or handling but I wish I could balance them. I don't know if you can. Fuel mileage is better than 7 @80,000 gross all the time as my trailer is a fixed equipment unit. I figure they'll last 500,000 miles as there is already 250,000 on them. (MICHELIN) Weight is the main reason for having them along with disc brakes and aluminum fifth wheel. Love the disc brakes!
Nice! Clean set up 👍🏻👊🏻 I need a new fifth wheel 🤔
I was at an LTL reefer company who had switched to super singles. Though they did get better milage the company decided to go back to doubles because of issues with the cost or repair or replace due to damages. This company has over 200 tractors and way more trailers. So they are not some small mom and pop shop.
First off. I know you posted this 5 months ago but I bet you're eating those last words now don't plan on doing any heavy haul. Second and more to the point. When I was on the company side of driving I'd always check my tires but I would blow trailer tires at least once a month. (I would switch trailers every other day doing drop and hook) I've blown in 1 year 9 super singles. And almost as many duels. I'll stick with duels any day of the week.
Wow, I wonder if it was the quality of supers that were used 🤷🏼♂️
Also, my drives can hold 40.4K 😆 not that I plan on doing much heavy anyway though
Well it was a swift trailer I kept blowing them on lol
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Ran super singles blew them as well wrapped around axle locked it up messed up rim too waited 6 hours for road service to find rim
Yikes!
There went the savings
I’ve only had them on trailers. Blew one out, sat for an hour, and destroyed the rim.
Not a fan. 🤷♂️
Frictional force is a function of normal force and coefficient of friction of the surface. This means that weight or downforce and the type of materials are what changes frictional force. I assume super singles and dualies have or can have the same composition, so it would have to be weight that reduces the frictional force.
Do companies shy away from super single carriers ?
You might save unless you have a blow out I had a drive tire blow took out a quarter fender and the APU I'm done with them
That would definitely suck
Bob Quintin soo right ! The mpg is the same if both sets have machined rims (not stamped ) and who wants to take a corner in a mountain with half as many sidewalls ? I saw a single blow out , shred the sidewall and fly off as a sleeve ! Thats a lot of weight to throw in front of another truck or 4 wheeler (there will be fatalities)
@@guysumpthin2974 Go explain that to the Corvette guy that he needs to replace the low aspect ratio tires for tall sidewall , skinnier bicycle tires to make it handle better 😂👍
The machining of rims has nothing to do with sidewall flex and rolling resistance. The singles win every time in less resistance to rolling... regardless of the rim , steel or aluminum.
Steel is idiotic though.
Bob, whether single or dual a stripped tread will still cause the carnage, I've seen the EXACT same thing from duals with destroying an APU and fenders.
Charles Pyatt well now i just feel sorry for you
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I rather keep my traction especially for the winter.
It's a bogus argument as usual in trucking.
If you want traction, you need to buy a tire with the correct tread pattern. Nothing to do with it being single or dual.
Duals with a crap rib tread are going be worse than a single with semi broken or lug tread patterns.
It's very true that a snow tread single can easily get better traction than a dual. It's the tread doing the work.
I'm in Canada. Now mind you I don't run a trailer, I do straight truck. But I have supers on it and in the winter I love them. I've not had a problem yet(knock on wood)
Is not the tire with the LEAST rolling resistance the one that offers better fuel mileage? Also the weight savings you speak of has to do with the weight of the "rotating mass". The less weight of a tire wheel assembly, the less parasitic resistance. In other words the less fuel burned just to spin the tire and wheel by itself.
Yes it is the least rolling resistant tire is the best for miles per gallon savings, I don’t know why I kept getting confused that day
I'm happy I stopped by and checked out your video. I'm building a boat. It's within the legal size and weight to haul with most 3/4 ton pickup trucks, 36ft. overall and 8'4" wide. I do plan to move the boat across the US to a few different places, and some areas of Canada and Alaska. I am looking into MDT and single axle long wheelbase day cab trucks to haul it with. With the day cab, I may look at one with a small bunk sleeper, of course, I could always bunk in the boat. Anyway, back to SS. The trucks I look at usually need tires and the wheels look rough. I had considered going SS and leaving the duals for the other guys to run. I'll never wear a set out. They will more than likely be replaced when they age out or become dry rotted. Being that my boat will weight just shy of 10,000lbs dry, I'll never overload them.
BTW, I live off I-26 in Spartanburg County SC. I'm right behind a large heavily trafficked truck stop. I've never seen a SS blow out or flat. I see duals being repaired/replaced multiple times a day. Yes, there's more duals running but I have been seeing a big surge in SS being run over the past few years. I am seeing them daily now instead of occasionally. I think that means something. I'll let you guys figure out what. Drive safe everyone.
Thanks for stopping by Ben. Good luck! 👍🏻
@@DrivenTrucking Thanks.
In Europe all trailer tyres are super singles.Some are used drive axles
Very cool, thanks for sharing John
Not all but definitely most. We still use duals in certain applications like log trucks and transfer trailers. With 76 metric tons gcw and nine axles 60% of weight must be on duals.
They suck in Slippery conditions because I think the set of duals becomes a water Channel whereas the Super Single is a big footprint that rides on top of the surface of the water or ice. Also I think if you're on a surface that is black top and they are where channels in the blacktop the super singles act like train trucks and make it squirrely. Anyhoo I don't mess with them.
Truth is it really depends on what ur doing kinda like winch line rope vs steel cable. Most cases dauls are the way go.
You’re exactly right 👍🏻 application is everything
Back to duals now, nice I don't have to worry about ss. Utilizing auto inflation they still blow, rim damage is the issue, hairline cracking , consider rim replace if blowout
Yeah that can be an issue
The thing I have against singles is they don't stick out as far as duals do. In a emergency lane switch it could lead to a roll over. $ wise singles are it.
Never thought of that, but that makes sense. Money wise you’re correct though. Hopefully trying to save money doesn’t cause something tragic though.
You want tires with a "low rolling resistance"....not more of... which equates to what you said, a lower fiction value.
Lol yea, I was having a brain fart that day
Happens to the best of us...
I ran into same thing these tstops have eliminated free air, now ya gotta have a shop bill to get air in a tire, I think is asinine just crappy
I say free air as In a line at the fuel island
Yeah I hope they don’t all do it, I do know that a lot of them will shut it off when it’s really cold though to keep the pipes from freezing but some do it just regardless.
Driven Trucking I pulled in and fueled and gonna air a drive tire, tire monitor sensor froze and loosened, even spending $600+ fuel def and food, the shop told me once the tire hits a certain psi I think like 40-50 they have to remove and inspect. With the guy seeing the problem his words exactly. Man I can’t let you get air I have to remove the tire the psi is at 45 and that’s too low, I say yeah it’s low I need air only nothing else, he said can’t help ya man gotta get you in the shop there’s 7-8 trucks ahead of you! Are you gonna wait?
-Ryano- Ryan that’s ridiculous
Driven Trucking my thoughts too without question I went to next exit got air been fine ever since
More rolling resistant would mean more fuel burns, I believe you mean to say there's less rolling resistance.
Yea lol, I had wires crossed that day 🤪🤯
They don't seem to have the with like duel about 10 inches less under the load seems to sway a lot to me.
I haven’t noticed a difference and I have pulled a van and a flat but that’s not to say there’s not one 🤷🏼♂️
Robert Bryson ur soo right ! Half as many sidewalls = more potential sway ,any increase in sway is too much
Well I pull a flat and it seems to sway
Easier or more difficult to chain?
Easier
The heating and cooling cycles of a tire combined with altitude changes is rough on tires for air pressure (less safe more sway ) the least sensitive tires to air pressure changes have an aspect ratio of near 100% (sidewall height equals tread width ) like duals . Sup singles are closer to 65% aspect ratio (rectangular cross section trying to become round under pressure) making the center of the tire sensitive to over/under inflation, more sway . The claim of mpg comes from tests on machined aluminum rims ,the run a straighter circle , making that a (falsehood ), then there is the snow traction facts , if rubber compound and sipes are equal, 100% aspect ratio wins , 65%ratio looses
I find it hard to believe there’s a 40% difference between the two. If that was the case they wouldn’t be used as heavily as they are, they’re the tire of choice in Canada as well as parts of Europe. From a business perspective (not mine) there are many large companies running them so it’s clear they aren’t that bad of a choice. And there’s a large difference in fuel mileage which is being downplayed here. You also didn’t mention how the sidewalks on the SS are stronger compared to the duals so there’s that as well. I’m certain there’s a ton of information missing from both sides of the point on this one in this conversation.
Driven Trucking i give u facts , u give me bs opinions, wats the point , near 100% minus approximately 65 = approximately 35% , as we all know there are some options on tires , add machined aluminum rims all around (trailer too and u can pick up that "huge" mpg gain. Half as many sidewalls , unless there 2x the cords and 2x the thickness (which they're not) u have no point , a falsehood is a falsehood
guy sumpthin you give me 2% of a 100% equation, not facts. Can’t even talk from your real account dw
More BS from guy ... I don't think he's ever actually had experience with SS tires from his bs comments
Love watching you and make cents... best guys on TH-cam..
Got my cdl in 1998 and wish I had had guys like you two to turn to for info in the beginning...
Keep up the good work guys
Thank you so much Bill, that means a lot 👍🏻
I thought the only people that liked super singles were the tire guys; They get to sell you a rim as well as a tire when you have a blow out. I've driven both and found that the super singles in the snow were a pain. Great video's
Lol 😂 I like the bottom line. Thanks for watching!!
Im a tire guy,...been at it a long time,..i hate super singles. They are always destoyed and i can make more money running doubles on you, especially if you run caps.
I've actually felt the singles have done better in snow than duals, there has been less lockup and sideways slide events from the trailer
The carriers pushing super singles are always the ones with large recruiting depts. and 'bean counters' that have factored in the cost of operating a unit tractor and/or trailer per mile allowing for cost of a replacement tire. NOT the cost of time for the driver to his logs and schedule. Dispatch doesn't give a shit you sat for 3 and half hours on a busy Interstate and you ran out of hours. Out here in the NW I see fewer and fewer tractors running super singles.
Yea you're right and the super singles are very bad in snow absolutely no traction unsafe
Thank you for your common sense
I am up in Canada. The last thing i want is to be dead on the side of the road out in the middle of nowhere in -40 temps when with duels i could limp home. Same as i always carry enough tools and parts to fix almost anything.
That’s 100% understandable
@@DrivenTrucking ...yeah i drive 80% gravel hauling grain short hauls. Its duals for me.
I drove a few million miles, light snow, heavy rain, deep snow in the high country... U can't stay on the road. I don't use chains unless it is to get out of trouble. I have run super singles and they run hotter which shortens life of the tire plus with blow outs from road hazards then you will want duals. I do "sipe" the tires and it works better than studs and you can corner like Mario Andretti" and never lose an inch of traction
Nice! 👍🏻
I laser temperature measure my tires and have not seen what you're saying on any of my equipment. The singles have actually ran 5-15° cooler than the dual tires on average but i run the tires at 120-125psi cold.....I think this is where most people caused the failure because they try to run 100 PSI or 110 in a super single and then blame the tire when it fails..... Super singles should always be ran at 120 PSI or better to stay cool...Unless you're off road and need the floatation
1) can we see more footage of the actual Tires and maybe a little less footage of you :)
2) Smart Trucker talks about how happy the service guys are because flats on these also destroy Rims. Savings? Any thoughts?
Lol 👍🏻 I’ll try to remember that in the future 😊 I don’t feel like that’s an issue. With proper tire care and maintenance, the vast majority of blow outs and flats can be avoided. Of course not all can be avoided but I know too many people running these and don’t have issues.
@@DrivenTrucking
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Why not install a custom air system that runs off the air onboard your truck?
2 tires in 9 yr been on single for 9+ years . Get 350 to 400 thousand out of singles .
Boom, very nice! So yours almost pay for themselves. I’ll take that 👍🏻👊🏻
No matter if you run singles or duals, you HAVE to take care of them. I know singles have been around for years, however, I have no personal experience with them. I'm sure they've improved over the years, just like recap tires have. I just don't trust either one. When I buy shoes for my trucks, they're ALWAYS virgin. I don't own any trailers, but, if I did, they'd get virgin rubber every time too. The only tire issues I've ever had have been on company trailers running recaps.
I seen a PeterBilt with those super single tires lose traction on a small hill on a cold snowy ,he literally had to back down the hill twice to get a running start .
Sounds like you need to buy a glad hand air chuck driver, bought mine for about $25 at the truck stop and that's all I use now. Almost every truck stop has them. Also, i removed the tire chuck part from the hose and installed a fitting on the end so it will now accept other air tools such as a dremel tool etc. Which I know is going to be a life saver one day. Especially in the world of O/O and flatbedding. Be safe out there driver
Appreciate the heads up. It’s been on my list of things to buy for emergencies, though I was told it will only put so much air into the tires and since I run 120 psi, it wouldn’t fill mine up. However, I still want one for emergencies. How much air will it put in your tires?
@@DrivenTrucking if you kick up the idle on the truck I doubt it would have to much of a trouble. Worse case it's a helluva lot better then being stuck.
Completely agreed
@@DrivenTrucking hmm never heard of that buddy? I bought the most expensive, biggest diameter hose they had. I have duels on my truck but I still run 120psi in my drives and then I run 105psi in my right side steer and 100psi in my left steer. Usually I add air to my tires when I go home since I'm usually home every week or two but I have also used my glad hand to fill tires frequently. Actually, this summer I had a valve stem go bad in one of my steer tires and pulled off in a small diner parking lot and changed the stem. In the process my steer went almost completely flat and I filled it back to 105psi with no issues
Josh Q good to know!
I have a valve quick connect and hose in my Truck i use it all the time
Duallys and Super Singles, they are both good. But on the safety side. I can't help to think a dually is better. When you take the outer width of a dually set up and change it out to super single, you move the tires in about 6" on each side more or less. So in theory in high wind or taking a corner a bit fast you increase your tip over factor. because you shortened your stance by 12" or so. Now if they made trailer axles wider to compensate for this, then that is a different story. I just don't like the thought of a top heavy tanker rolling around with a less than superior stance.
Agreed, in a tanker situation I’d probably run duals as well. Certainly don’t want to be unsafe with surge flying around.
Weird every big company with tanks out there run SS starting with loves and flying J and they don't have no problems whatsoever, just saying
Eduardo silva good point
that's where you get the fuel efficiency on super singles the tires are tucked in...and not grabbing so much air..look at Volvo front steer tires...there tucked in the front fender well
They make wide axles for single tires.... You can also get a dual trac drive axle to run either style. With a +2 rim single on dual trac you're same width as duals
I've had 2 Goodyear super singles blown out in the same wheel position. Last blowout left a 3 foot hole on my deck. Could be that Goodyear is junk. Replacing them with Michelin. I'm getting about 18 months out of the Goodyear tires that haven't blown. Even wear. Have a single drive axle with a rear tag. I have not been able to find a shop that can balance super singles. Do you know of one? Going to try out a couple of the X one D Grip. Its replacing the XDN2 and has a lower rolling resistance.
I put the x line energy d’s on and I’m loving them. Just rotated which I’ll be doing every 30k. How often do you rotate? I have not explored a good balancing technique yet. I don’t think the centromatics are worth the price in the end. Some time first quarter I’m going by chad hone’s (I believe that’s how you spell it) shop in Kansas City. He’s the alignment king, I’d bet he knows about balancing the supers
Driven Trucking I rotate the front drive axle as needed. I tried running trailer tires on the tag. I think just running all drive tires is better because of being able to rotate all drive positions. I saw Chad in K.C. for an alignment. I didn't ask him about a shop for super single balancing.
Todd Johnson I was actually curious about running trailers on the tag. I just rotated mine before Christmas. And I also need to get over to see Chad as well
Yo, I have a question about winter driving and weight.
When you have a load and it's not heavy when you have to adjust the tandems to scale right. My question is about a light load when it does not matter where tandems are slid.
Do you want to have majority of the weight on your drive tires, do you want to balance it out evenly, or do you want majority of weight on tandems?
In winter, with a light load you would have them load it towards the front of the trailer, putting as much weight on your drive axles as you can scale in order to maximize traction in the snow and ice. Most flatbed and stepdeck trailers are stationary split axle and dont adjust. So if your pulling a van I would load towards the front of the trailer and adjust your axles towards the rear. I learned from old school truckers that the rule of thumb is to carry your load, not pull on it. It's easier on the truck especially when pulling hills and can also increase mpgs
Josh Q is 100% correct ☝🏼
Roman Brichka also true ☝🏼
Liked your video. I had singles on a truck i bought and ran them on that for awhile. Loved the ride and saved on fuel. They did great in weather conditions but I run landfills some and they didn't do very well in the muddy conditions. I ended up selling that that truck but kept the singles and put them on my dump trailer. Since everything in the dump trailer world is based on weight the money I've gained by my trailer being lighter because of the singles they have definitely paid for themselves.
Very nice! Thank you Brian 👍🏻👊🏻
the dpf system did not put CAT out of trucking. CAT just refused to do it
Yes you're correct, exactly what I meant
I’m not an owner operator but the company I drive for runs wide base on all our trucks and I have to say I really don’t have a problem with traction; but I did notice you said you have a tag axle our trucks a true tandem I’ve found the only thing they don’t like is thick ice but I don’t know of any tire that does well in thick ice conditions. I will say this though I wouldn’t run them on a truck I owned just for the fact that if you do catch a blowout depending on how long you are waiting for a tire man you will without a doubt be buying a rim aswell but other than that I really don’t have a gripe about them
Ive heard singles aint as good in winter or muddy circumstances
They definitely have their applications, I’m not sure about mud but I’d imagine they’re not good at all for that.
Make a air line up and put a glad hand on put it on you emergenic line
I’ve been told the air compressor won’t fill tires beyond about 110 absolute max
Make your own hose and glad hand combo....But you may already have by now.......Happy Trails
Thanks Allen!
You forgot about the snow they are terrible in snow compared to duals I drive alot up north and the singles are not safe!
Can't you use brake pressure? If not, how bow installing compressor?
I also put an air real on my truck with 1/2 inch line and 50 feet long
The least rolling resistance, not the most.
Yea, for some reason brain wasn’t functioning that day 🤷🏼♂️ it happens. Thanks!
The original stupid singles we're a standard casing that was simply widened, they didn't bother to beef them up for the extra width of the casing....
The newer super singles are pretty good for most applications, but for many vocational applications, duals are still preferred...
Good video! Thanks!
Oh, BTW... You do realize, you have your own air.... Incidentally at 120psi.....
Thanks for the information! Lol, yes I need to pick up the hose for a back up
@@DrivenTrucking it is nicer to use theirs though 😎
Ed Gosselin 😊
Very informative, just got a Kenworth with the Supersingles "fingers crossed '
🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 good luck Walter
Can I take singles off and just put duals on without a problem
Super singles have been around for along time. I use to work at Bandag recapping semi tires. 22.5, 24.5 and wide base (super singles) this was back in the early 1980's
Very nice!!
I talked to a guy in TA, when you blow a super single when loaded you also have to replace the rimb as well
Lucky 13 I blew a super last month and pulled over immediately and the rim was fine
@@quentonsmith6085 I'm just repeating what the tire guy told me that the super singles were his #1 money makers...I am not speaking from experience and not about to argue with someone who does have experience like your self brother, stay safe and take care
Can you go change super single to dual on the truck ?
They are good road tires, but they are horrible if you run on/off road like I do hauling cement and doing spread jobs at construction sites and oil rig sites. Our drivers get stuck all the time with super singles.
Agreed 👍🏻
It's the tread selection. Tell them to air down some if running on soft dirt, the super singles have some capacity to float where dual tires do not..... I guarantee most drivers are going to be too lazy to do this though
@@100pyatt I wish I could do that, but our tires have non-adjustable tire inflation systems.
Well, nothing worse than a stone or brick end jammed between twin wheels, which is why big off road gear doesn’t run duel wheels unless it absolutely has too. - In the U.K. we have some 11,000kg front axels, so you see super singles on those. - In the U.K. back in the day you only saw them on petrol tankers. Allegedly the reason was the risk of one flat duely causing a fire.
I keep hearing more and more about how other parts of the world use super singles 👍🏻 I find that really cool. When I was getting an oil change the other day, the guy next to me had super singles on his steers. It made the truck look mean LOL
we have 45 ton 8 wheel trucks here, with concrete batchers on the back. Twins on the back and 4 steering super single on the front. (twin steer) They are about to get banned though, because they have been running under "mobile plant"
Super singles aren't less rolling resistant than duals. It's the tire compound. I run super singles on a Cascadia. Duals on a 379. The 379 gets better fuel mileage. The ride is smoother. Super singles are only good in dry weather. Companies that used to run super singles are going back to duals. That says a lot by itself.
I can give you a good example of why I would not be super singles. Because of what happened to me this week. I had to replace a tire we're one of the cords inside broke, and the tire was barely six months old. It would have cost me twice as much to replace a super single when something like that happens
Hello ,
Can you make comments on Dummy / Tag Axle?
I Searched all your videos could not Find One!
What is your general idea about Tag axle, and did you had any serious issues driving your truck over the years with Tag axle.
Did you think about Lift kit for that axle? Or any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you
I've driven for 18 years and only count 3 or 4 tires I've blown. I run 81,000 on straight truck triaxle supers on front and lifts, or 140,000lbs triaxle truck and pup. 5 axle livebottoms with 2 super single lifts 9000kg. Never a supersingle. Only ever blown a dual tire. (Only one of them). Running them at our fleet since at least 1994 on steerable lifts. Never drives but have others who run with us who do. Key is keep them inflated!!
I carry a glad hand with a quick coupler and a 50ft 1/4" very flex able airline(to take the cold weather up here) with tire chuck and guage, also a blow gun. Handy for cleaning. Never rely on others to do what you can do yourself
Thank you so much for sharing! Greatly appreciated. And yes, I try to do what I can on my own I just don’t quite have all the tools yet.
What about these tires on a short schoolie. 25 footer.
Makes no sense the contact patch is larger on a super single than duals. How much is the actual wheel?
To change dully to super single do I have to make any changes to my hub or diffrancial
How significantly do you think the price/quality of SS tires affect whether drivers have a positive or a negative opinion about them?
I see a lot of super singles on cement trucks for some reason, but I have yet to see any super singles on a semi at least in person that is.
I've run supers for 9yrs. Will be switching to duals for one reason. If one blows out, the other keeps the rim up. Other than that. Singles seem to ride smoother if you're in the sleeper. Also the cost in tires is less with duals. I ran the northern states, CO,WY,ND,SD,MT,ID, and NE. Not a problem in the snow(deep at times) if you buy the right tires. Also yes this guy needs to buy an air hose, duh.
Why would you want a tag axle?
SS tires are great for regional fuel haulers. More payload by reducing the weight of your tires and wheels for SS. now, with SS tires you expect to have a lower rolling resistance to lower fuel consumption. For long haul application dual tires are recommended but with low rolling resistance tires. If you blow a tire on the road, you wont ruin your wheel by the time you make it out of the road or the next exit. No tire technician will work on your truck if you are on a dangerous spot and you will have to drive out to the next exit.... Did I forget to mention that it will be harder for you to find a SS tire in the middle fo the desert at 12am on Christmas eve?
I like the super singles but they never really worked well in deep snow. But other than that I can see company's or owner operators using them. Its really kind of hard to say. I've driven both and have no complaints with either,except the snow.
I agree, they can get pretty hairy sometimes. I think for me ideally I would run them in every season except winter
Can't see any difference with SS or dualies. Get a flat your on the side of the road same as you would with your steers. Had a inner dual blow out and it took out the side wall on the outer tyre cost the company two tyres. I rest my case.
Thanks Richard 😊👍🏻
Richard Short still assuring to have an extra tire I have been able to make it to a tire shop after a tire blew No roadside or towing bill makes a happy o/o
-Ryano- Ryan I understand Ryan where I our coming from, I've experienced that security before but there is always the same chance with any of your tyres going flat and taking out its partner. The pluses and minuses even out it's each to his own. All I ask is you stay safe brother, keep the rubber side down and God bless you and your family always. ✝
Richard Short always always safe travels god bless keeping loads pointed up only way to make any money 💰
-Ryano- Ryan I miss the road especially long haul to the states and back to Canada but will be 65 this month and the wife wants me home for good. Driving local is no fun, city traffic is to stressful for everyday I need a view. Montana, Idaho, SD, Wyoming, Texas will all be a huge miss going forward. Oh well time beats us all eventually. Wishing you the best life can give you and your family until the Lord takes us home.
Do you have a tire monitor system on your truck and trailer? I do and its worth every penny I sent on my duals I even run crossfires to keep them equal I am every picky on my tires especially my trl with super singles.
Why dont you have a glad hand airhose?
How are they on snow and icy condition or rain "hydroplane" ? Lower pound per squair inch = les traction?
I’ve never had an issue in snow or rain but I also have high quality tires. Ice, they are not as good as duals for me. It mainly has to do with the tag axle I have in the back though. Overall, the difference is actually minimal. Ideally though, I’d run duals in winter and supers the rest of the time.
The traction bs is a myth. They are no worse than duals comparing apples to apples treads and depths, proper pressures.
Actually in soft sand or dirt...you can air down a single and float where duals just stay stuck.
Sidewalls actually have LESS sway for better stability because of the lower aspect ratio of the tire.
Can i put super singles on a Class A Newell Coach?
I have ran supers on my trucks and trailers and one of the biggest issues I had was running chains on them.
The cross link chains bow and arch at speeds above 20 25 mph. They will tear up quarter fenders.
I ran heavy haul northwest regional in winter and it was a living hell.
On duals you can chain up and run 45 mph with no problems.
Other than that issue i have found them to be pretty sure footed on ice and snow and they work really good on trailer positions.
I would say that when I get my next truck and trailer I will run SS on my trailer (flatbed spread) and run dually on my tractor just in case I need to run in the snow.
You have an air compressor & air tanks on your truck, why would you pay for air?
Because at the time I was running 120 psi
If your air gauges on your dash pressure up to approx 120 - 140 psi before the compressor kicks off. I would think this is how much air it could fill you tires to with a glad hand and hose with a air chuck. ?
That’s a great question, I don’t know but I sure would like to find out.
@@DrivenTrucking I have one those air hoses with a chuck. At some point the compressor struggles to air the tractors air tank fast enough to over do it. The pressure in the tire trying to escape, balances out the pressure coming in. I've found at around 80 PSI how easily the tire fills will slow down quite a bit, as you wait for the PSI in the air tank to be greater than the pressure in the tire. Especially after you've exhausted the air in the tank to fill the tire. I'm not saying you couldn't get the tire to over inflate, more so that you would honestly have to be trying to. Believe me, you'll check the tire pressure gauge a few times before you get there. Also, someone below below mentions putting one together yourself. Whilst I get his point about being an O/O and fixing things yourself. I attempted to do just that (buy the parts separately), and found it wasn't worth it. I found the assembled line, with a higher maximum hose PSI (300), for the same price as all the loose parts sold separately. Without having to put the time in, to piece it all together. Most dealerships with a parts store will have them ( I found mine in a Freightliner), and I would assume most large truck stops.
doesntmatterdoesit I was researching that this morning actually as far as piecing one together myself but I was thinking exactly what you’re describing with the air compressor. I’ll probably just pick one up at the truck stop most likely.
Not as durable , dependable, or safe as a dually, one half of the sidewall strength , more sensitive than dually to over/ under inflation and temp changes . A blowout will/can come off as a sleeve (hazard/liability) or peel with likely damage to truck or trailer . Dually with MACHINED rims is best . The mpg difference is usually vs STAMPED rims,the deflection in each stamped dual set is where the slight mpg loss comes from , which is nothing compared to the mpg loss with old web hubs , who doesn't want greater stability, strength, load capacity = use the duals
Everybody’s opinion is different, Thank you for commenting
Driven Trucking, not an opinion, just facts
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