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@@KeeNGamingI think we can safely say that spawn loading sits on the borderline. Everybody can do it and doesn't feel as lame as somebody microing caravan groups for that excess gold. At least to me.
Wow just found you channel. It's so difficult to find channs that brings different ideas and brings out numbers. You make me remember Spirit of the Law. Love it! ❤
I thought I was the only one to think of this, one game with my bro against AI, I wondered, if you could use a underworld passage to transport gold, clearly not, but at least you can halve the trip. Also I done some math, on highland map 1v1 the gold rate was 108 gold from the the most far point on the map on your side of the river, being the most realistic safest route. With all techs considered, I also timed it with a villager ticking away at a gold mine and he got 150 gold in that time. So its not far off from mining gold with all techs, Egyptians get even more with empowerments and the camel tech, Poseidon would get a rough 10% boost based on the speed bonus. Maybe use roc to do trade?? I mean it would be a good idea but how intensive is that for 10 caravans? it would be a good way to get a boost, you could do a trip across the map across trees. Also as Loki, ox carts with no population and %50 cost you can fill a fort for 500 wood 500 food, late game that can be viable, double fort or tc damage? very nice. also caravans can garrison and shoot arrows out of forts, imagine that, see a giant camels head poking out of a arrow slit, NNNNaaaaaRRRRR. Considering the 1 population cost for caravans and vills, late game, you can get some good damage done doing this if you intend to use forts. 15 caravans in age 3, is a good idea, even when you have gold mines you need to be ready to defend while you lose food and wood for the time being, getting it setup before shit hits the fan and you always want 2, Poseidon you make 5, multiple routes is also a good idea incase, skipping age 4 mining upgrade is not a bad idea too. You win easy with a setup market, not at last minute, especially when most players, top players too forget.
The ox cart thing is really funny to me. I see that working but might just be too pricy. Imagine seeing armies of ox carts spawn everytime you kill a tower or Fort lol. Don't forget you need idle villager time to build them so the price might be higher.
@@AutomatonAoM Yeah it is pretty funny to watch a stream of them, they are like the war wagons on aoe3 haha. You can waypoint them to garrison the next fort when killed, they build the same speed as a villager trains, but with Loki it makes it worth doing, 1 idle vill isn't too much and its really only viable at the point in the game where you have spare food and wood to throw around and don't want to take up military pop while defending area, still didn't think about that. 500 wood is pricey, still you can usually buy it very cheap when your opponent will most likely be selling wood around the same time.
Solid video, comprehensive. Interesting strats. I kind of like the Oranos trick, and I do wish it would stay... but it isn't quite fair. I'd never use it anyway, that level of micro is just a pain.
whoua! thx and very funy, i find it not easy to micro so more accurate to use without thinking it will be just broken without reason; i will try it next time
Well, to be fair, if you only have 1 group of caravan, its very little micro. And you have no downside from forgetting to micro it, they just trade regularly. :)
Your traders will be interrupted by the slightest thing if you have your unit stance settings set to defensive or stand ground. They bump into each other that's a idle, they bump into a tree, that's a idle. Currently only having your unit stance in options set to aggressive is how it works as intended. Not many people are aware of this bug.
Il y a un bug aussi avec le marche - caravane - forum si on détruit un marche avant que la caravane arrive sur notre forum , la caravane va rester a côté de notre forum avec une valeur d'or aleatoire qui change a chaque partie cela peut etre environ de 20 jusqu'a meme 200 d'or quelque soit la distance entre notre marche et le forum , il suffit juste de recréer un marche ( gratuit avec l'egypte ) et a repeter la technique pour avoir beaucoup d'or avec un marche a cote du forum
@@AutomatonAoM on peut l'appliquer en partie si le ratio or est bon cela dépend du hasard je les deja tester plusieurs fois , le mieux est de le faire avec l'egypte comme ça on ne perd pas de ressource pour le marché , si on a en dessous de 50 je pense pas très rentable par contre au dela de 50 par caravane la ces rentable , 10 caravanes + 10 constructeur , un marché proche du forum ( juste calculer la place pour que les caravanes peuvent marcher a la ligne ) et l'or va monter ultra vite
The caravan redirect with two markets at the end of the video I thought was normal and thought it was a bug that the caravan didn't do it automatically.... lol, why should they need to travel all the way back, that's not normally hoiw trade IRL works, it's innefficient.
This is odd. In a previous video i had put them directly on the video, and youtube automatically added his captions too. Now that i haven't it hasn't. Damn.
Hey, i just added them manually since youtube elaboration was taking ages! (probably because it's a small channel, lol). Sorry for the inconvenience! :(
9:45 "Oranos is already too strong as it is." What exactly do you mean by this? I've been trying to get into Oranos but everyone else I've seen so far keeps placing him at the very bottom of their tier lists and not elaborating on what he's good at or why he's supposedly bad. I'm just confused on the different opinions, that's all.
i think the game is in a good spot. some ppl say poseidon is s tier, but some put him on the bottom. or maybe it's elo dependent too, but the difference in opinions seem healthy
Both Heroic Gods available to Oranos are insane. Theia can spam incredibly OP Contarius for very cheap ( they are bugged at the moment) and supplement her army with a ton of powerful Dryads. Hyperion gives Chaos, the best heroic God power in the game and Satyrs, probably the best heroic myth unit in the game- maybe just the best myth unit overall! Oranos' increased favor generation passive can allow him to spam those Satyrs too. He also has Oceanus in the classical age- this guy rools- Caladria are extremely useful at all points of the game, ans bite of the shark is super good early. Carnivora can also completely close off an area for your opponent in the early game. This is all to say nothing of the Sky Passages- these are very skill testing, but in the right hands can make raiding Oranos villagers nearly impossible, and can make defending multiple points a breeze. He has a lot going for him!
I hope the developers make trade carts available in classical age, I like the idea of early trade. Would also be nice if there is a minor god that gives unique tech that improves trade, the minor god can have a weak god power and myth unit but very powerful trade bonus that's my idea of balancing the minor god
The original Chinese let you build a market in the classical age so for the Chinese rework that God could let you build caravans in the classical age, or they might just do something completely different lol
@@thedestroyerofworlds8685 bro tf you talking about lmao. in Retold every pantheon can make a market in the classical age 😂 then recruit caravans+ first upgrade at heroic and then all the remaining upgrades at mythic lol.
When I build my caravans, I rally point to a TC, but once my caravans complete 1 trip, they go idle at the market until I right click the TC. My friend does not have this bug/issue. Anyone know what is happening? Very frustrating for me in the late game
common bug hope they fix this annoying shit fr, every time man. They always bug out and you have to fix them by re-click them to the market or the tc. And also the rally point doesnt work: they change route to my tc instead of my ally one 😭
Maybe I missed it when you said it but can you send donkeys through an underworld passage and set the rally point of the passage to the TC and have that whole sky passage tech you talked about happen automatically without hotkeys?
Can you explain me how to use the editor the way you are? I want to for example check upgrades For example, berserk with 1 hack armor vs a unit and then compare both units with armor. And so on and so on
I might have overlooked something in the video, but from my noob-understanding a caravan alternates between the market they spawned from and the TC you selected. How does it work to spawn the caravans at the market close to the TC and make them trade with the market that is further away?
The caravan trades between the waypoint of the market (town center you send it after spawning) and the most distant market, not necessarily the one that spawned the caravan in the first place
@@aequilibrium4028 go ask yeebaagoon! And sub him! He has a great scenario series going on :) th-cam.com/play/PLDLdXViSseB8PsVaYiH_tsxGoLK2ZWcG0.html&si=c47AGe_hOJiz5l9Q
@@aequilibrium4028 Should be done with advanced transformaztion tool, by the way. Search for a video on that, or ask him to do it. I learned from his post on aomheaven forums, but i cant quite find it now...
The market works as intended. They just didn't try to break it hard enough, i think. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to patch it, but the same goes if they don't care about it. Adds a layer of complexity to it. The only bad thing gameplay/fun wise would be that now markets will always be protected by tcs. I don't think this makes the game better. Managing and walling/defending/denying a trade route is a big part of the game imho. Also having the caravan lose gold just because you change the market feels very unintuitive. Who notices that?
I tried it once. The caravan defected, built the tc, started an empire, destroyed my city and went on to win the game in my stead. I strongly advise not to do it.
No, they can't. No trade and no additional pop space, in exchange for being able to get vill production (and aging up) done anywhere on the map instead of on settlements specifically.
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GREAT VIDEO! Send it to an enemy town center -100% lmao, really enjoyed the detailed explanation!
Glad i was able to put a smile on your face :)
Yeah I was like "You can do that?? oh, nvm hahaha"
nice video! Will definitely start building market next to TC!
Nice! Now i can take full credit when u get back to rank 1 :P
its an exploit though, i wouldnt do it, itll be banned in tournaments. This trick was also possible in EE.
@@KeeNGaming but not in my 3v3 4v4 games 😈
@@KeeNGamingI think we can safely say that spawn loading sits on the borderline. Everybody can do it and doesn't feel as lame as somebody microing caravan groups for that excess gold. At least to me.
3:47 german jumpscare
11 now i can't unsee it
As a German this gave me a little heart attack 😂
I can confirm that this is a jumpscare as a German 😨
@@frodo3556 As a jew, this REALLY gave me a heart attack.
Its cool seeing these new youtubers coming out with some interesting videos
I had done some titans content some years ago! Glad you liked it :)
Wow just found you channel. It's so difficult to find channs that brings different ideas and brings out numbers. You make me remember Spirit of the Law. Love it! ❤
They've said that to me once before, you know? Some guy thought i stole a forest video from him iirc :)
this video is SO UNDERRATED, i love you man
Genius Idea at the end!!! Increase a micro, but the reward is great
great video! your editing style is perfect
Nice, thank you! Took me only 3 days. Maybe being a snail is not too bad
I thought I was the only one to think of this, one game with my bro against AI, I wondered, if you could use a underworld passage to transport gold, clearly not, but at least you can halve the trip. Also I done some math, on highland map 1v1 the gold rate was 108 gold from the the most far point on the map on your side of the river, being the most realistic safest route. With all techs considered, I also timed it with a villager ticking away at a gold mine and he got 150 gold in that time. So its not far off from mining gold with all techs, Egyptians get even more with empowerments and the camel tech, Poseidon would get a rough 10% boost based on the speed bonus. Maybe use roc to do trade?? I mean it would be a good idea but how intensive is that for 10 caravans? it would be a good way to get a boost, you could do a trip across the map across trees.
Also as Loki, ox carts with no population and %50 cost you can fill a fort for 500 wood 500 food, late game that can be viable, double fort or tc damage? very nice. also caravans can garrison and shoot arrows out of forts, imagine that, see a giant camels head poking out of a arrow slit, NNNNaaaaaRRRRR. Considering the 1 population cost for caravans and vills, late game, you can get some good damage done doing this if you intend to use forts.
15 caravans in age 3, is a good idea, even when you have gold mines you need to be ready to defend while you lose food and wood for the time being, getting it setup before shit hits the fan and you always want 2, Poseidon you make 5, multiple routes is also a good idea incase, skipping age 4 mining upgrade is not a bad idea too. You win easy with a setup market, not at last minute, especially when most players, top players too forget.
The ox cart thing is really funny to me. I see that working but might just be too pricy. Imagine seeing armies of ox carts spawn everytime you kill a tower or Fort lol. Don't forget you need idle villager time to build them so the price might be higher.
@@AutomatonAoM Yeah it is pretty funny to watch a stream of them, they are like the war wagons on aoe3 haha. You can waypoint them to garrison the next fort when killed, they build the same speed as a villager trains, but with Loki it makes it worth doing, 1 idle vill isn't too much and its really only viable at the point in the game where you have spare food and wood to throw around and don't want to take up military pop while defending area, still didn't think about that.
500 wood is pricey, still you can usually buy it very cheap when your opponent will most likely be selling wood around the same time.
Solid video, comprehensive. Interesting strats. I kind of like the Oranos trick, and I do wish it would stay... but it isn't quite fair. I'd never use it anyway, that level of micro is just a pain.
Those are some very funny interactions.
Who knew the trade Caravans could trade stocks in real time haha
Very interesting video!
AOE4 had the same exploit with trade- having 1 market on both sides of the map to reduce travel time - idk why i didnt think about it being in AOM
I didn't know that! Then maybe they just copied and pasted market algorithms from aoe4... feels sad
Yeah, I recognized the trick. The good thing is that it can be fixed. Since it not really a fun way to play the game.
@@Cythil how did they fix in aoe4? I'm curious
@@AutomatonAoM This was fixed in the Season Five Update, as I understand it.
Thanks for the overview! (and also thank for the abuse tips XD)
Very interesting!
awesome video! best aom content ive seen so far
the two TC+two market strat is insane
whoua! thx and very funy, i find it not easy to micro so more accurate to use without thinking it will be just broken without reason; i will try it next time
and i had allways played gaia when i was a kid so love your name a lot!
Huh, the market next to TC was an issues they had in AoE4 and then got patched out later. I'm surprised they have the same issue here again
"Just spend all of your time microing trade and it OP!"
Well, to be fair, if you only have 1 group of caravan, its very little micro. And you have no downside from forgetting to micro it, they just trade regularly. :)
That poor little minotaur at the end! Q.Q
He will be recognized only by OG channel subscribers :P
Your traders will be interrupted by the slightest thing if you have your unit stance settings set to defensive or stand ground. They bump into each other that's a idle, they bump into a tree, that's a idle. Currently only having your unit stance in options set to aggressive is how it works as intended. Not many people are aware of this bug.
I thought this was in the old game only. Shame to see it's still present
@@AutomatonAoM Hopefully they'll fix it in the next patch, but I've seen nothing addressing it.
Really insane trick for the market built close to the tc :p
Great video! Thank you! Keep it up :)
For a split second i thought caravan can actually go unharmed to enemy tc for 100% xd
what a charming little video
Well done ! Thats very useful !
Good video. I'm subscribed
I think something was fixed regarding the market in a patch notes, it might have been double gold spawn trick
If you mean the 25 september patch notes, i recorded this like 3-4 days ago, so it should be post-patch
Il y a un bug aussi avec le marche - caravane - forum
si on détruit un marche avant que la caravane arrive sur notre forum , la caravane va rester a côté de notre forum avec une valeur d'or aleatoire qui change a chaque partie cela peut etre environ de 20 jusqu'a meme 200 d'or quelque soit la distance entre notre marche et le forum , il suffit juste de recréer un marche ( gratuit avec l'egypte ) et a repeter la technique pour avoir beaucoup d'or avec un marche a cote du forum
Haven't noticed this. I will try it. Might be useless if there is no practical application though
@@AutomatonAoM on peut l'appliquer en partie si le ratio or est bon cela dépend du hasard je les deja tester plusieurs fois , le mieux est de le faire avec l'egypte comme ça on ne perd pas de ressource pour le marché , si on a en dessous de 50 je pense pas très rentable par contre au dela de 50 par caravane la ces rentable , 10 caravanes + 10 constructeur , un marché proche du forum ( juste calculer la place pour que les caravanes peuvent marcher a la ligne ) et l'or va monter ultra vite
Would be way cooler if it worked like an actual market and market operations would affect the market prices for ALL players
They do. I forgot to talk about it. Was a common strategy in the titans to sell wood and food while gold starving the opponent
wow that's huge how cool is that @@AutomatonAoM
saying Oranos its too strong right now must be punishable with jail lol
The caravan redirect with two markets at the end of the video I thought was normal and thought it was a bug that the caravan didn't do it automatically.... lol, why should they need to travel all the way back, that's not normally hoiw trade IRL works, it's innefficient.
I see name channel, I gotta sub
Thank you Automaton.
Can you also please enable captions on your videos? I use it as I usually travel around and don't really like using headphones
This is odd. In a previous video i had put them directly on the video, and youtube automatically added his captions too. Now that i haven't it hasn't. Damn.
Hey, i just added them manually since youtube elaboration was taking ages! (probably because it's a small channel, lol). Sorry for the inconvenience! :(
I straight up don't think the first and third strategies are exploits or abuses. They feel like good micro and a good strat.
omg this video was incredible lol
Great video !
Great vid!
9:45 "Oranos is already too strong as it is." What exactly do you mean by this? I've been trying to get into Oranos but everyone else I've seen so far keeps placing him at the very bottom of their tier lists and not elaborating on what he's good at or why he's supposedly bad. I'm just confused on the different opinions, that's all.
i think the game is in a good spot. some ppl say poseidon is s tier, but some put him on the bottom.
or maybe it's elo dependent too, but the difference in opinions seem healthy
Both Heroic Gods available to Oranos are insane. Theia can spam incredibly OP Contarius for very cheap ( they are bugged at the moment) and supplement her army with a ton of powerful Dryads. Hyperion gives Chaos, the best heroic God power in the game and Satyrs, probably the best heroic myth unit in the game- maybe just the best myth unit overall! Oranos' increased favor generation passive can allow him to spam those Satyrs too.
He also has Oceanus in the classical age- this guy rools- Caladria are extremely useful at all points of the game, ans bite of the shark is super good early. Carnivora can also completely close off an area for your opponent in the early game.
This is all to say nothing of the Sky Passages- these are very skill testing, but in the right hands can make raiding Oranos villagers nearly impossible, and can make defending multiple points a breeze.
He has a lot going for him!
I might just be biased against oranos :P
"Oranos is already too strong as it is"
Is he?
I may be biased, but you see top players using oranos with success
I place a market right next to my TC, spawn 15 donkeys, and get 15 gold a second.
Unfortunately it doesn't work. Caravans would display 0 gold, and actually carry something like 0,001 gold. That would take ages lol
I subbed !
I hope the developers make trade carts available in classical age, I like the idea of early trade. Would also be nice if there is a minor god that gives unique tech that improves trade, the minor god can have a weak god power and myth unit but very powerful trade bonus that's my idea of balancing the minor god
I think the camelry speed upgrade already affects camel caravans also
The original Chinese let you build a market in the classical age so for the Chinese rework that God could let you build caravans in the classical age, or they might just do something completely different lol
they already are avaiable at classic age lmao 💀, then you can spawn caravans at heroic and finish all the techs at mythoc
@@RYUcaEU only in the definite edition if you choose a specific Chinese god
@@thedestroyerofworlds8685 bro tf you talking about lmao. in Retold every pantheon can make a market in the classical age 😂
then recruit caravans+ first upgrade at heroic and then all the remaining upgrades at mythic lol.
When I build my caravans, I rally point to a TC, but once my caravans complete 1 trip, they go idle at the market until I right click the TC. My friend does not have this bug/issue. Anyone know what is happening? Very frustrating for me in the late game
I never heard of this. Could be useful to report it as bug or ask on reddit.
common bug
hope they fix this annoying shit fr, every time man. They always bug out and you have to fix them by re-click them to the market or the tc. And also the rally point doesnt work: they change route to my tc instead of my ally one 😭
Set your Default unit stance to aggressive. Bug happens if unit stance is set to defensive.
Subbed!
w vid man!
Lol amazing video
Maybe I missed it when you said it but can you send donkeys through an underworld passage and set the rally point of the passage to the TC and have that whole sky passage tech you talked about happen automatically without hotkeys?
Probably you can, and yes no hotkey required, it's auto
Can you explain me how to use the editor the way you are? I want to for example check upgrades
For example, berserk with 1 hack armor vs a unit and then compare both units with armor.
And so on and so on
Take a look at this playlist, from yeebaagooon (you want video 1 and 3):
th-cam.com/play/PLDLdXViSseB8PsVaYiH_tsxGoLK2ZWcG0.html&si=-jEvOSUQQS3y6gzk
ggs
tbh i dont understand what you did but i'll try it in a custom game i guess lmao
I might have overlooked something in the video, but from my noob-understanding a caravan alternates between the market they spawned from and the TC you selected. How does it work to spawn the caravans at the market close to the TC and make them trade with the market that is further away?
The caravan trades between the waypoint of the market (town center you send it after spawning) and the most distant market, not necessarily the one that spawned the caravan in the first place
@@AutomatonAoM Ooh I see, thanks, didn't know they do that automatically. Will try this in my next game!
Great!! How do you scale units in the Editor?
@@aequilibrium4028 go ask yeebaagoon! And sub him! He has a great scenario series going on :)
th-cam.com/play/PLDLdXViSseB8PsVaYiH_tsxGoLK2ZWcG0.html&si=c47AGe_hOJiz5l9Q
@@AutomatonAoM thx mate i've left 2 subs :)
@@aequilibrium4028 Should be done with advanced transformaztion tool, by the way. Search for a video on that, or ask him to do it. I learned from his post on aomheaven forums, but i cant quite find it now...
Does this work after the latest patch? I thought they were fixing this?
try it in an editor
The market works as intended. They just didn't try to break it hard enough, i think. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to patch it, but the same goes if they don't care about it. Adds a layer of complexity to it.
The only bad thing gameplay/fun wise would be that now markets will always be protected by tcs. I don't think this makes the game better. Managing and walling/defending/denying a trade route is a big part of the game imho.
Also having the caravan lose gold just because you change the market feels very unintuitive. Who notices that?
What is the resource multiplier if send it to an unclaimed town center?
I tried it once. The caravan defected, built the tc, started an empire, destroyed my city and went on to win the game in my stead. I strongly advise not to do it.
can caravans collect from a village center?
I don't think so
With the 2 TC + 2 Market trick, is it possible to automate the process by using patrol commands?
I need to try this lol
Why cant people just play normally? Damn now im not sure if my team games lost are due to this glitches. Aom devs really sleeping here!!!
If the game is too defensive, or you are left wondering, then probably not! :)
Can caravans get gold from village centers too?
Absurdly enough i didn't try it. That would make the actual gold gain a flat 2x
No, they can't. No trade and no additional pop space, in exchange for being able to get vill production (and aging up) done anywhere on the map instead of on settlements specifically.
💰💰💰💰
Learned to play better or cheat better?
I won't use any of these tips as it feels unethical
Patched
When did they patch it? I recorded it 2 days ago
two markets is a good idea. on the opposite side of the map, send caravans in both directions🤌