Thatcher isn't dead, but there is an alternate of him, stalking him. Thatcher feels immeasurable guilt because he knowingly abandoned Weaver in a house where an alternate was, so he's probably just holed himself up at home, drowning in guilt. Thatcher called for backup when he fled. Looks like the alternate that is copying him called it off, truly leaving Weaver to die. The alternates were originally coming in through the TVs, so that's why Dave still having one is a big deal. 6 is an alternate Adam released into the world as a child; 6 on the TV was called Stanley, who told children how to "imagine friends" into reality. Adam was abducted by the alternate and, when Adam's mother found he was gone, she hung herself.
You are missing some things- The Adam we know is an alternate who replaced the real Adam. He was put there by the intruder (the Stanley guy/ hood guy/6) but Adam doesnt remember he is an alternate. Being an alternat is why he says bad things to Evelyn/ is oddly emotionless about Jonah/ doesnt have friends / is so interested in following them Thatcher and Dave hadnt been killed yet because they were actually helping the alternates by the video editing stuff. What i find super cool is that Dave's friend / Gabriel was actually IN CHURCHES disseminating that type of retoric and we didnt even know he was actually working so closely in his plan.
@@GB_Rishad i think she saw the doc report and figured it out her baby was gone and that adam was an alternate, that's why it shows a woman reading the doctor's report Edit nope sorry That's evelyn Idk lol
@@maxypooooooo When the Alternate that took Adam at the end has the monologue, he says when Adam looks in the mirror he sees the monsters from his bedroom all those years ago. When he brings up baby Adam, he speaks about him like he's not talking to the present Adam. Then just as he's cut off by woman, he was about to tell him that he's "Not the real you."
@@peptobismol6140 He's been an Alternate his entire life. But while he's lived as a human, it seems that when he is of free will, he opposes the will of Gabriel and wants to stop him.
A clue-in for Jack: Adam is the protagonist of Mandela Catalogue Vol. 2. He was the one who went into basement for the "cat alternate". He is the one who's mother did "suici*e" at the sight of her lost infant. He let the "friend" from the TV in. He was the one who saw the intruder in his home. Thatcher is the protagonist of Mandela Catalogue Vol. 333. He was the one who got-got by the CGI alternate. Presumed dead by police because their alternate was found.
He doesn't care enough to actually try and understand the story. He's just reacting to this because he knows it will get him views. He doesn't give a care about what's actually going on. Watch, when Vol. 666 or Vol. Finale or whatever comes out, all the time he's not being scared will be him saying stuff like "Wait, what's happening? Who are you? None of this makes sense, awe geez the writing was so much better back in Vol. 2..."
@@hubdweller9969 i mean tbf jack does play hundreds of games hes obviously not going to remember everything esp where the episodes are spaced out by months, plus hes not gonna spend a few hours rewatching mandela catalogue stuff before recording a vid for a new episode 😭 its almost as if its a content creators job to upload videos for views
@@hubdweller9969 I mean, there's not many views to get honestly. It's been 11 hours since posting and it's only at 300k+. It seems like a lot, but considering his average video gets 1M+ or sometimes more, this one isn't doing that well. I've seen videos he's posted within the hour get more views. If he wanted a lot of views, he would probably play a recent release popular game. Also, it's understandable for him not to remember the lore. He has ADHD, and I know from personal experience it causes memory issues. Especially in the event of, like he said, long gaps between something. When I go back to watch something, I have to start from the beginning because I forget what happened. Plus, he's really busy and it's that hectic holiday season. It doesn't mean he doesn't care or he's greedy, it just means he's pretty normal.
For me, the best part was Jonah Marshall's memorial video, where he's seen speaking with his alternate (which he thought were voices in his head) next to the car where he died. The alternate slowly morphing into him (in Vol. 333 we learned that they can do that, instead of killing the person and then transforming into them), repeating the same phrases he said a while earlier, and Jonah going "GET OUT OF MY HEAD". Top notch content, top notch horror. Also, fuck that closet creep.
@@Byrdffv No?? That was so clearly Jonah, the alternate was taunting him the exact same way in vol. 333, he just didn't die immediately like we thought.
I love how the best combat with alternates is just don't be afraid, which for those who have read or know the Bible, angels always began with "Be not afraid" it so amazing how Alex inputs these amazing things, and that's exactly what Thatcher does in the closet scene, he is still, non-reactive, quiet, and most important not afraid of the closet alternate.
That is an excellent detail that I feel is often missed. The alternates aren't JUST killing people; They are making people kill themselves. He knows they want to toy with him, not just kill him, so he just endures their presence like an extremely creepy housemate.
It also goes back to the original episode with Jonah and Adam. Adam walks into the room with the alternate and, although he encounters it, he escapes alive and unharmed as he was unafraid and sought it out. Jonah, who feared for his life, ran, but didn’t anticipate that the alternate would still be able to attack him because of the technology he had with him, and he ended up dying.
One of these days, Alex is actually going to put a loud jumpscare in one of these and simultaneously kill his entire audience of heart attacks. Edit: I fucking know. 50 other people have told me.
Thatcher is 100% a My Chemical Romance fan. I remember those days, and he does indeed talk exactly like how the Emo kids at my school did. Man. 2009 was a crazy year.
Alternates are more like Shapeshifters/Doppelgängers than something that possesses people. Just because you see an alternate of someone doesn’t mean the person the alternate is imitating is dead/gone
I think it's funny that one of the aliases the alternate is going by is "Stanley". Like, "6" is cryptic, "The intruder" is intimidating and then there's "Stanley", which sounds like the name of your neighbour asking to borrow your lawnmower.
I love the little lore details that get sprinkled throughout the series. Alternates being unable to respond accurately to emotional stimuli is one of the ways to spot one if the physical characteristics don't give it away, and Adam is described as having just that issue in this episode.
The problem with Thorne Baker is that he's supposed to play an ex police officer who is middle aged, yet Baker himself looks like an emo dude in his early 20s
I love the use of 3D animation for this. 3D models of faces can often be uncanny when trying to resemble human faces, but they use this to their advantage really well.
21:29 This has the same energy as seeing a spider disappear after you run to grab a shoe. Just pure panic at the idea of something wandering around your house that you don't want there.
he should do a really long stream where he watches everything in order, it'd probably help him with the lore. Also it'd be interesting to see him connect the dots and stuff
"The spirit created the skies above and the water below" *Jacksepticeye arises from the depths of the ocean* "Oh yeah look at those reflections baby!" This should become both biblical lore and Jacksepticeye Lore. Somebody add it to the bible and Jack's origin story.
30:42 OHHHHH THAT CHANGES A LOT OKAY For anyone who didn't catch exactly what was happening, that was Adam saying (I'm on mobile so I can't replay and type, so forgive me for not being 100% accurate): "I never said it was stupid! I didn't say that! This computer, it's messing with my words!" Earlier, we saw what message Adam is referring to. Adam calls this entire thing about making a video to honor Jonah "stupid" over online chat with Eveline. In fact, Adam has been upsettingly uncaring about the entire situation with Jonah. Apparently Jonah was his best friend (or, well, Adam was Jonah's best friend), and Adam seems to just not care at all that Jonah died. In fact, it's implied that Adam and Jonah were out getting footage when something happened, and Adam just... made his way back to the car and left without Jonah or getting help. So Adam didn't just lose his friend, he was there when it happened, but seemingly doesn't care _at all_ and is annoyed that Eveline is upset and making him at least put something together to tell their viewers he's gone. But then we get this. Adam is very upset, and he's screaming at his computer, _"I never said it was stupid, stop messing with my words!"_ Adam _never said it was stupid,_ and he's very upset about that specific part of the distortion. This means Adam _doesn't think making a video for Jonah is stupid._ Also, not only is whatever is in Jonah's computer sending its own messages to those Jonah's trying to talk to, we can hear it _audibly_ mimicking Jonah's voice, and beginning to mix and match his words into different orders. We know some types of anomalies can mimic people in different ways, be it in voice or appearance (they're not always perfect, ie the very distorted form of Thatcher we saw). We also know anomalies can traverse through things like screens and mirrors. It seems an anomaly is inhabiting Adam's computer, and is in the process of learning to mimic him. But this is _huge,_ because it means that we don't know what was actually Adam or not. The voice we hear is Adam very obviously caring about this whole thing with Jonah, and whatever entity that's fucking with him changing the information other people receive. And because it's voice mimicking, that means even the phone call with Eveline where Adam was cruel and uncaring could possibly have been the result of the entity mimicking and distorting Adam's words, and not what Adam was actually saying. Hell, even Adam deleting Jonah's contact might not have actually been Adam's choice. A lot of the video up to this point is characterizing Adam as a _massive_ piece of shit. But these few seconds right here tell you that we don't actually know _anything_ about Adam, because everything we have seen and heard might not have even _been_ Adam at all. I just love when so much story telling is done without outright saying so. Adam was never described as uncaring, but his actions stick out as shockingly cold, and frequent enough for the viewer to begin to characterize him, to expect a certain level of disgusting apathy, which is _very_ strong characterization. And then, in a few seconds, without ever saying it outright, it tells us we have no fucking clue what's real in regards to Adam, that our very strong foundation of who Adam is is build on quicksand, that _nothing_ we think we know, we can claim to know. Which also sets up that subconscious alarm, and sets a precedent for the _entire thing_ - again, in mere seconds of audio - that the things we see can be lies without us knowing. If Adam's apathy wasn't even real, how do we know anything else we've seen is the full picture? How do we _actually know_ anything about what's happening? Before that audio, you'd say Adam thought the video project was stupid. But we didn't _know_ that. It wasn't _truth._ Which leaves you with the only thing you _can_ know for certain: _something is very, very wrong, and people are dying because of it._ This has been such a huge theme in the Mandela Catalogue, and it's done _so fucking beautifully._ You fear what you don't know, and the Mandela Catalogue has mastered making sure that all you _can_ know is that nothing, nowhere, and no-one is safe from a danger beyond comprehension. All you can know is _fear._ Edit* They're alternates, not anomalies. Whoops!
Also isnt that directly connected to where 2 guys where in a haunted house and one did go downstairs because of the cat sounds and other just drove away?
@@Scarde0 i think the alternate who was making the cat noises actually took control of adam and went outside of the house and back to his house or smt and jonah died because of the car stopping on the side of the road in vol.2. jonah probably died because an alternate killed him or smt idk cuz he screamed at the end inside of his car. maybe the alternate killed him through the car radio or dashcam idk i might not be correct
Jack being funny is awesome, but something he missed because of the edge humor is that the pile of files in 18:22 are ALL missing person reports. Every last one of them is a missing person, and the numbers he didn’t recognize are Mandela’s population (which is dropping by the thousands). Alex Kister’s work is awesome, and I would love to have seen Jacks reaction to that realization 😎
There’s one part in Vol. 4 that has completely stumped me, when Adam and Sarah break into the house, it says it’s July 14th, 11:17 PM for Event 1, when they’re going into the house, for Event 2, it’s July 15th, 12:46 AM, then Event 3, when they run from the house, it’s July 14th, 12:49 AM, it’s entirely possible it was an accident, but something makes me feel like it wasn’t
I noticed that too because July 15th is my birthday, but then it just went back to july 14th? I definitely don't think its a mistake, I want to know why he did it that way
20:56 The worst thing is that it's said that alternates can't physically harm you but can just be there in the corner of your room and you can't really do anything about it, it's just horrifying for me to think about Edit: This aged.
that csn be both a good and a bad thing if you know they cant physically hurt you, you may feel safer sleeping you only get M.A.D if you dont want to hear what they tell you, but if you're interested in figuring it all out, im pretty sure that means you arent affected
I've never felt more seen and called out at the same time when Jack was talking about MCR fans. 😭 Changing my facebook status to "I AM NOT AFRAID TO KEEP ON LIVING, I AM NOT AFRAID TO WALK THIS WORLD ALONE" thinking I was deep and niche
omg 😭 remembered i put "you are a tree falling down in the woods there aint a sound cuz no ones around. nobody can hear you" in my ROBLOX bio plssss. based off one of my fave songs at the time lol
Usually it’s pretty hard for me to watch analog horror because i have schizophrenia and it triggers it but somehow when jack reacts to it it doesn’t trigger it so I’m thankful that he reacts to the full video because otherwise i wouldn’t be able to enjoy horror anymore
If you want a deep dive into the lore of these videos, I highly recommend watching Wendigoon’s analysis on them! He’s very chill and laid back while also adding in his own theories as to what’s going on.
my theory about Adam, is that he is indeed an alternate, and the intruder aka Stanley replaced the original Adam as a child in the intruder alert video. the intruder in this volume says "do you remember my touch? (talking to the fake Adam) I cradled him in my arms my sweet boy (referring now to the original Adam) I took him away" this could mean that the intruder had stolen the original Adam through through the tv and killed him, (the "do you remember my touch" part could be referring to him snapping his neck or something), made an alternate of him and replaced the original. this is why he doesn't really know he's an alternate as he was raised and grew up as if he was a normal human, but would also explain why he seems so obsessed with the alternates and is not frightened but intrigued by them. this may also explain why he did not respond to any of the stress assessment videos. also if the report said that him not responding to the video could be due to a recent phenomenon in young children, that could mean that more and more people could be similar to Adam: alternates that don't know they are alternates. Adam could also be a sleeper alternate of some sorts, acting as a normal human but will be "awoken" in a sense to then fulfill his purpose as some important alternate or "the Mandela prophet" as the end of the video referred to him as. this could be the reason why phrases similar to something like "wake up" or "wake up Adam" or "open you eyes" are echoed through the series. i got my main theory idea from wendigoon so shoutout to him :)
My personal theory is that he might be turning into a new kind of alternate. The first alternate to start out completely human and slowly corrupt and control a host body. These things have a reason to abduct people and as they slowly wise up to the alternates games they will have to change it up to continue to grab more people.
@@imireton4766 not just him either. There must be a reason they are just watching Thatcher instead of just offing him already. I'm pretty sure those 2 are the main focus of the story, both hell bent on getting and understanding footage of the alters for wildly different reasons.
Maybe he's not an alternative but an agent against them he is to the intruder as the alternates are to The false shepard who pretends to be the angel gabriel knowing their fear gives him power so the intruder made sure Adam has no fear
Face Studio 2 seems to be a new gateway for Alternates. You're giving them a perfect representation of your face, so they wouldn't need to practice replicating it like before. Adam's "conversation" with his Alternate at 30:01 suggests that his mind was swapped with an Alternate, considering how he says "It's messing with my words" and "PLEASE JUST GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HEAD" (implying he isn't in control of his body), and the fact that the Intruder even says "But your skin is not your own. You're not the real you." A new race of Alternates has been created through Face Studio 2. These new Alternates can take control over your body at any time, and you'd be powerless to stop it. Now, all you'd be able to do is just sit in the passenger seat and watch as a monster roams the Earth wearing your face. Every time I think this series can't get any more terrifying, Alex always 1-ups the last entry in every way.
Wait what if Adam is like a perfect alternate like so perfect of a copy he does not even know he is an alternate, and so some of the alternates try to remind him
The flowers that seemingly cover up the screen when adam walks through the door in the memorial video he sent to sarah is him censoring jonahs corpes that was killed by the alternate that adam encounters in the house.
I woud definetly prefer that, cause the voice acting and regular acting mixed with the iffy effects Kister uses kinda takes me out of the story way too much. Like that bad greenscreen and CGI windmill look absolutely hilarious and I can't take it seriously.
@@SquadPoop yeah i think it’s not like bad given what Alex has to work with, but it would be really cool if he could transform his story with a higher budget production and team. probably wishful thinking but it would just be really cool to see this as a movie
So Adam and Jonah were from Mandela 2(I believe). Jonah left Adam at the house and was killed by an alternate on the side of the road. This claims that Adam walked until he found the car, left Jonah's body on the side of the road, drove home, and COMPLETELY fucking phoned it in for Jonah's death and memorial. Jonah, his best friend. I suggest watching Wendigoon's stuff on these, I think he's pretty much got it down pat. Especially since Mandela 4 drops so much info and lore and connections. Also Thatcher's cop partner, Weaver, died in the Mandela 3. Then the alternate turned into an exact copy of Thatcher in front of him and it fucked him up
Exactly what I was thinking, however I think an alternate is impersonating Adam mainly due to the computer scene where we can see him removing Jonah’s contact, it would make sense to do that if you felt no remorse for Jonah, it also already makes sense that the same alternate killed them both because in Jonah’s death scene the alternate talks about him leaving Adam to die.
I thought Jonah was the guy that went into the basement and watched the TV and died and Adam was his friend who left. Unless I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like capturing paranormal activity was pretty central to that episode and that lines up with what I'm seeing in this episode.
@@oofskiiyt4660 remember what the intruder says. "I took him away...you're not the real you." He took Adam when he was a child, and was replaced by an Alternate who forgot what he is
Dude I can't believe I was tricked by the alter for like half the video. Such a genius decision to make Adam out to be careless about Jonah's death, to both pin us and Sarah against him, when in reality what was being sent to her wasn't from him at all. God this series is so good at manipulating the audience. Edit: Omg and I just realized, the intro literally sets this up! The Man, Adam, staring down at the woman, Eve. Sarah's scared and disturbed by how Adam reacts to Jonah's death, but just like how Adam meets the devil in the intro, it's because the devil/alternates are messing with what Adam's saying!
Something that it seems like not everyone noticed is that, when fake thatcher is talking he knew the police’s way of talking, saying: this is lieutenant thatcher, call off all units.
Oh man! I forgot all about that haha. We would use that time to do something else or make popcorn and you go back into the room and ask whoever is watching with you “did it finish yet?”
Alex needs to be brought in by some higher up horror related corporation because he's been able to construct this world, from the beginning, just through a shoe string budget.
Being quickly given access to everything can make for an unlikely masterpiece or a complete disaster due to quickly racking up budget and possible low returns due to bad marketing or the fact that his name isn't that popular in the movie scene. I would much rather see him start with this, keep going with the brand, do as he sees and get better and build up his own budget and maybe get some outside help later down the line to set everything right. He does have a knack for making you feel uncomfortable with his content though. He should definitely let his mind go wild with this series and try stuff out since that's what most others don't do, they try to stay in line with whatever someone else wants and that's the beauty of indie stuff overall, complete artistic freedom.
Dude when the face said "Do your part in uploading your face to make a better society" or something like that, I think Sean nailed it with the whole AI thing.
Jack if jonah sounds weird it's because the original voice actor got fired. For those of you that haven't heard what happened and why he was fired here is the explination: Jonah (Gabe) was being mean to alex by saying that Alex's script was bad and that he himself could do better, bossing around the other people even tho he was only an actor. He had also mentioned that alex was going to kill himself (he is fine he hasn't actually going to do so) Jonah (Gabe) had also blackfaced.
@@luciferschoice you say this but do you actually know which programs just use images indiscriminately without permission? do you actually have facts to back the "they all steal art" claim beyond a bunch of bored twitter mongers looking for something to be outraged about repeating it over and over. they certainly exist and art does get "stolen" (used without permission, the validity of the word stolen is kinda bunk in my opinion, its digital) but most of the big mainline AI image generators are at least kind of reputable. some can be fed source material by users which would cause art to make its way into the system without permission, but in a large way its just too vague and overreaching of an argument to hold any weight.
@@logandarnell8946 Ah, another one of those butthurt AI-Fans- I see. Because the "fodder" for your machine is not happy and is speaking out about it. Don't try to normalize it. This discussion is not only on "Twitter" - Twitter is just the help to spread information faster. I'll try, to explain, but english is not my native language. You can find this debate on a lot of sites. Trainingdata had to be fed, otherwise Ai could not replicate/generate anything. It needs something to learn. Many of my friends and artists around the globe have found their whole art gallerys have been scraped and can be found in the Laion Database. It even recreates the watermarks of us artists. As links will most likely get deleted, here are the things you can take a look into. • Kotaku - AI Creating 'Art' Is An Ethical And Copyright Nightmare • The Verge - ArtStation is hiding images protesting AI art on the platform • ArsTechnica - Artist finds private medical record photos in popular AI training data set • NYTimes - The Alt-Right Manipulated my Comic. Then AI claimed it. • The Verge - AI art tools Stable Diffusion and Midjourney targeted with copyright lawsuit • The Verge - Getty Images sues AI art generator Stable Diffusion in the US for copyright infringement •Also take a look into "magnificoheritage" on Instagram
For Jack's question at 6:00, not only did we had a VHS player and several dozen of tapes (mainly Disney and MGM stuff), but we had for a very brief time (not even 3 months) a Super8 player. The reason why we didn't kept this one longer than our VHS player was because the price for each Super8 movie was 4 times higher than a VHS movie back then (around 1997).
Im guessing super8 is video8 cassette's, smaller than both beta and VHS, first used exclusively for camcorders then later developed further by Sony for use in movies, yet they never had a very large market due to them being a lot more expensive yet offering no improvements on beta or VHS tech. One cool thing was a Walkman video player that was made so you could watch movies on the go though, because of the smaller size of the tapes they could make a pocket size video player.
I CANNOT get over the scene of the person in the closet. That shit was beyond creepy D: I love it and hate it at the same time. Also I love that these videos never have jumpscares. I applaud anything that can be scary without loud sounds and jumps.
Me too! I usually use the little scroll to skip past any extra spooks but right before the closet scene i missed i had a bowl of ceneral in my hand. The moment they popped up i yelped and threw cereal EVERYWHERE! At least my dog enjoyed some lol (it was non-chocolate cereal dw)
The guy who plays Adam (edit: Thatcher) does a pretty good job to be honest. Like the weird emo dialogue was a lot, but the part where he read his "letter" was pretty well acted.
Love how Jack calls out Thatcher for sounding emo, which he totally does, but then it's revealed it's probably because he's really not mentally well after being follow home by his alternate... and it appears his alternate is isolating him too, calling off the units and such.
If you want a good analysis of the Mandela catalogue, Wendigoon has multiple really good videos breaking it down and hypothesizing on what’s happening.
@@LivenUp7he had the same reaction I did when it showed the alternate in thatchers closet. He didn’t see it at first and than u take a closer look and BAM it hits u in the face
30:00. I got the feeling that the creepy face that is explaining the Face Studios 2 isnt a 'glitch', or whatever. Its literally one of the creatures, that made, or helped make Face Studio 2 as a whole. A program they could use to collect faces... from the internet (kinda proving Sean right in his idea of how AI can be used to steal artwork too - once you are able to be 'seen' by the AI, your clothes, your face, your ideas - the AI can reproduce anything youve done, or make stuff you havent thought of yet). It shows that the creatures are learning more an more too. They took over the tvs, and now theyre coming for people thru computers, probably phones next, even radio with what happened with Jonah (or recorder, or whatever the voices and stuff were coming thru - maybe his camera).
This is DEFINITELY it. The face moves in a very weird way because the alternates have a hard time moving in a human-like way, so the face moves just like theirs do.
Besides, O'Brien is a character from the novel 1984 who appears to the protagonist as the only one who can give him a way out from the dystopian world, but who later betrays him and reveals he was just using him as a puppet. I definitely think Alex Kister got inspiration from that
The reason I like to watch Jack reacting to these videos rather than watching the original is because honestly I don’t like feeling uneasy. However I deeply enjoy horror plots/lore/theory’s and Jack provides a nice middle group, where I can experience the interesting themes provided while Jack keeps things light bringing viewers “up for air” every now and again. ☺️❤️
Yeah alex's stuff is something I am not watching by myself even in a lit room, im subscribed to him and liked the videos but I am not watching that stuff alone, thank you very much.
Hey jack, some stuff you missed and some insights. Thatcher was the cop from thr previous episode and he left ruth behind and his in his home for years. Adam was in the duo from a previous episode wherewere investigating a ladies house. It is now theorized that adam was always a alternate and that the real adam was taken by the intruder. There is a bunch of other things that you missed so i would recommend if you got the time, i would do a quick run down of the previous episode.
I very rarely comment on videos but for this, I want to suggest and hope Jack checks out The Smile Tapes if he hasn't already. Very eerie and definitely right up Jacks alley!
I'd HIGHLY recommend the two videos wendigoon had made on the mandela catalouge if you want a better insight into this story, im sure another is coming soon since volume 4 hasn't been covered yet
At around minute 40 I actually yelled out loud because as the sky was going dark for Dave, my lava lamp suddenly shifted the lighting in my room and I deadass thought that devil was here for me bruh
Highly recommend watching Wendigoon's theory video on the Mandela catalogue if you have time! He hasn't put out a new one for vol 4 yet, but I think he does a really great job explaining the events and the timelines of the earlier videos and really does his research well.
The alters are not just in the interney. Afaik they have existed alongside humans ever since the earth was created (hencd the Michael Alter who tricked religious people into believing he was an angel). And ofc they are trying to grow. They are monsters, not animals or humans. They have zero function but to grow and devour. Throughout the series, they have gotten better and better at replicating human faces, and human voices. That face technology might have been created by them or one found it and corrupted it like one did to that TV in episode 1 and 2. It found it, realized it's potential and corrupted it to use it to copy humans better.
He really didn’t, the AI isn’t copying anything and putting public images into its “brain” isn’t stealing shit. The images are PUBLIC. Once an artist makes them available people can do whatever they want with it so long as it doesn’t break copyright. And the AI isn’t storing those images, it’s taking the data assigned to them and making new ones based off that. It’s also a very small minority that’s using this tech for personal profit that’s causing all people who use to get a bad rep.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 AI machines do not know what is copyrighted and what is not. Yes, people can do whatever they want with public images as long as they adhere to copyright. The issue is that people can sneakily feed copyrighted images into AI, the AI knows no better. I've already seen plenty of examples of people feeding other people's copyrighted art into AI machines to make very similar images based on that. As a result, other people accidentally generate very similar images and are accused of violating copyright. Yes, it's a few people doing it, but those few people are literally poisoning the well.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 too bad that copyright still falls under most artworks also... absolutely not? if someone shares their art with the public doesn't fucking mean you can do whatever you want with it??? by that logic i could actually take the monalisa and just spray paint on it what i want, since you know... da vinci shared it with the world 🤪
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 according to copyright law, for works made by artists and authors, the copyright remains with the artist unless the rights are signed over.
@@heathenised You can take a digital copy of the Mona Lisa, print it out, and spray paint it. Anything aside from messing with the original copy which you can’t do with a digital file, kinda figured that would be clear. Also if you want copyright to heavily protect artists say goodbye to all fanart in existence
Hi Seán! I highly recommend Wendigoon. He does a great job at giving a summary, theory and timeline of what happened! Definitely helped me a lot when trying to piece the thing together.
The thing I love about this so much is the voice actors it’s almost like a creepy pasta. I absolutely love good narration and would honestly love to narrate some thing like this.
me too, but i got a feeling they changed it to O' Briens voice given Gabriel copied him(?) Dave calls out to Gabriel because it's O' Briens voice (given the credits they are the same Voice actors)
This might be an unpopular opinion but I honestly preferred the way the videos were done in the beginning? The more we see of the alternates and the 3D effects kind of takes the horror elements out of it and what made it so unsettling in the first place? The way the faces were distorted in the original actually terrified me But the last 3 or so updates…it just doesn’t hit the same anymore
@@jigglybeez3682 I kinda like it. The 3D effects are kind of like that early 90s/2000s 3D animation, which seems to track with the improving technology over the years. It looks sorta janky but it's supposed to. I agree though that seeing more of the alternates does remove some of the mystery.
Also still really like this reference to biblical figures- using them as a metaphor for the internet and communication networks. Moses, Mary, Gabriel- they "connected" people, traveled distances to connect with people, spread a message; just like TVs, networks, videos, the internet. They were the alternates early TVs, spreading the alternate's influence and tapping peoples' fear. Very creative.
I feel as if the references to biblical figures can be both metaphorical like you said but I believe that it's literal. Since we know the fake Gabriel was the first alternate whose to say the other biblical stories shown here were not apart of this
The face in the correspondence part says,"a thriving society of followers of the true savior,a mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom,i held my breath and waited for it to stop,i was too scared."and then it just glitches out
I love watching Seán react to these. They are so good I can't watch them alone, I get too creeped out. Thank you for giving a laughing barrier to the scares!
This reminds me of how people will donate DNA to ancestry sites. I heard a lawyer say they would never do that, because some of those companies don’t have a strict limit on what they can use your DNA for.. a scary thought.. haha but another great video. Thanks!
As silly as it may sound hearing him say that stuff, I believe Thatcher truly believes in what he’s saying. He left his partner, Ruth, to die, survived the events at the end of Volume 3 by shooting at the alternate, helplessly watched the population of his town basically crumble to oblivion over the course of years, and is basically being tormented by nightmares and ideas of a second, distorted, and malevolent version of him still being out there. He’s been in hiding and isolated for years at this point, alone with his thoughts and guilt, trying his best to fight a war he can’t win. So even if what he’s saying sounds like a “my chemical romance” stan, its definitely far from unjustifiable.
Jumped out on my skin. Was looking at my second monitor when the voice in my right ear came on and scared the shit out of me. Literally turned around thinking someone was in the room with me then it moved to the other ear. Holy crap
I never tire of this dude's support for artists--a while back he made his distaste for plagiarism/reposting of fanart known, in a more recent video his distaste for NFTs/crypto, and in this one he all but says AI & the way people use it is plagiarism. Exceedingly grateful for such a big name to acknowledge the faults in these fads when too many other celebs are so quick to jump on them as if they were the future of art/technology.
Hey Jack, while I definitely do recommend looking back at the previous mandela catalogue entries, I also HIGHLY recommend checking out Wendigoon's videos on this series. He does a damn good job of taking everything, explaining it, and putting it all into a cohesive timeline. Plus, he's probably out of anyone, other than Alex himself and maybe some other people working on the the series, in the know on some inside information than most people have on the series. So you get some serious (non spoiler) insight that you might not pick up on otherwise.
So people most likely d!e when they encounter an alternate, they whisper overwhelming knowledge to the victim, make them go mad, and k!ll themselves, and that causes the alternate chance to replace them. But if you look back at the video called " metaphysical awareness disorder " (M.A.D), You will know that there's a small percentage that survives it and Thatcher is one of them, so now we have alternate Thatcher and real Thatcher coexisting because he didn't get affected by M.A.D and still alive.
I recommend Wendigoon’s videos on the Mandela Catalogue. His series doesn’t yet include vol.4 but he does a great job at explaining and laying out the story.
I was born 2004, 18 now. I used a VHS when I was 7-12. The movies I favored and first watched with the VHS was Old Yeller and Patch Adams. Amazing movies.
Something I found very interesting is Jack’s reaction to Adam’s 3 pictures at the end because, well, he DOES look like Stanley, just a little bit less alterlike. It made me think about Stanley’s monologue a little more, how parental he sounds in it, seemingly more reminding and explaining rather than seeming malicious, and then it hit me, Lynn & Jude are the original Adam’s parents. Stanley created Murray, as he calls him (probably bc current Adam is not actually Adam) so Stanley seems to be like his parent, or thinks of himself that way
Sean saying "is that a mandela?" has the same energy as "chris is that a weed?!"
Or the anime meme with the guy looking at a butterfly asking "Is this a Butterfly?"
No it's a reference to a running joke playing Minecraft where he would say: "is that a MINECRAFT???" When looking at anything at all in the game.
Meghan is that a police? I'm calling the weed!
@@hollow9414 420 whatcha smokin?
is that a minecraft
Thatcher isn't dead, but there is an alternate of him, stalking him. Thatcher feels immeasurable guilt because he knowingly abandoned Weaver in a house where an alternate was, so he's probably just holed himself up at home, drowning in guilt.
Thatcher called for backup when he fled. Looks like the alternate that is copying him called it off, truly leaving Weaver to die.
The alternates were originally coming in through the TVs, so that's why Dave still having one is a big deal. 6 is an alternate Adam released into the world as a child; 6 on the TV was called Stanley, who told children how to "imagine friends" into reality. Adam was abducted by the alternate and, when Adam's mother found he was gone, she hung herself.
Very beautilfully put together. I appreciate it!👏
You are missing some things-
The Adam we know is an alternate who replaced the real Adam.
He was put there by the intruder (the Stanley guy/ hood guy/6) but Adam doesnt remember he is an alternate.
Being an alternat is why he says bad things to Evelyn/ is oddly emotionless about Jonah/ doesnt have friends / is so interested in following them
Thatcher and Dave hadnt been killed yet because they were actually helping the alternates by the video editing stuff.
What i find super cool is that Dave's friend / Gabriel was actually IN CHURCHES disseminating that type of retoric and we didnt even know he was actually working so closely in his plan.
wait why did she hung herself ?
@@GB_Rishad i think she saw the doc report and figured it out her baby was gone and that adam was an alternate, that's why it shows a woman reading the doctor's report
Edit nope sorry
That's evelyn
Idk lol
I thought Thatcher was hiding from the alternate
The fact that the Adam we thought we knew is actually an Alternate that is trying to reject the false Gabriel's plan is such a wild plot twist
wait what
@@maxypooooooo When the Alternate that took Adam at the end has the monologue, he says when Adam looks in the mirror he sees the monsters from his bedroom all those years ago. When he brings up baby Adam, he speaks about him like he's not talking to the present Adam. Then just as he's cut off by woman, he was about to tell him that he's "Not the real you."
And the pieces were there too!
So adam was an alternate the whole time in vol 2? Im confused
@@peptobismol6140 He's been an Alternate his entire life. But while he's lived as a human, it seems that when he is of free will, he opposes the will of Gabriel and wants to stop him.
Him reading “Awaken my son” as being someone’s name killed me
Lmao, I cracked up at that too
“Uh... Avakin..?”
bro my eyes must be terrible because i read awaken as Aivoken
@@crimsonfox8496 sameeeee
i literally thought it said avaiken too then saw it was awaken at the last second
I'm having a Deja Vu with your comment and
A clue-in for Jack:
Adam is the protagonist of Mandela Catalogue Vol. 2. He was the one who went into basement for the "cat alternate". He is the one who's mother did "suici*e" at the sight of her lost infant. He let the "friend" from the TV in. He was the one who saw the intruder in his home.
Thatcher is the protagonist of Mandela Catalogue Vol. 333. He was the one who got-got by the CGI alternate. Presumed dead by police because their alternate was found.
He needs a lot more clues but this definitely helps.
He doesn't care enough to actually try and understand the story. He's just reacting to this because he knows it will get him views. He doesn't give a care about what's actually going on.
Watch, when Vol. 666 or Vol. Finale or whatever comes out, all the time he's not being scared will be him saying stuff like "Wait, what's happening? Who are you? None of this makes sense, awe geez the writing was so much better back in Vol. 2..."
@@hubdweller9969 i mean tbf jack does play hundreds of games hes obviously not going to remember everything esp where the episodes are spaced out by months, plus hes not gonna spend a few hours rewatching mandela catalogue stuff before recording a vid for a new episode 😭 its almost as if its a content creators job to upload videos for views
@@hubdweller9969 I mean, there's not many views to get honestly. It's been 11 hours since posting and it's only at 300k+. It seems like a lot, but considering his average video gets 1M+ or sometimes more, this one isn't doing that well. I've seen videos he's posted within the hour get more views. If he wanted a lot of views, he would probably play a recent release popular game.
Also, it's understandable for him not to remember the lore. He has ADHD, and I know from personal experience it causes memory issues. Especially in the event of, like he said, long gaps between something. When I go back to watch something, I have to start from the beginning because I forget what happened. Plus, he's really busy and it's that hectic holiday season. It doesn't mean he doesn't care or he's greedy, it just means he's pretty normal.
@@bisexualdisasterlol true
For me, the best part was Jonah Marshall's memorial video, where he's seen speaking with his alternate (which he thought were voices in his head) next to the car where he died. The alternate slowly morphing into him (in Vol. 333 we learned that they can do that, instead of killing the person and then transforming into them), repeating the same phrases he said a while earlier, and Jonah going "GET OUT OF MY HEAD". Top notch content, top notch horror.
Also, fuck that closet creep.
Actually im pretty sure that part was from adam
adam was the one saying get out of my head
I was thinking it was Jonah saying, “GET OUT OF MY HOU-“.
@@Byrdffv No?? That was so clearly Jonah, the alternate was taunting him the exact same way in vol. 333, he just didn't die immediately like we thought.
do what to that closet creep? 🤨
2:37
Jack reading "Awaken my son" as "Avakin, my son" has the same vibe as xqc reading "I am a man of fortune" as "Jam a man of fortune"
The Mandela Catalogue series makes me terrified in my own home even in the light of day.
lol same bro, i lose sleep over this.
@@ttalannn it's currently 3:42 am... Fuck :)
Either have balls of steel or Im devoid of fear because I watched it at 3 o clock at night
@@slendrio If you have gotten scared before, it’s the ‘BALLS OF STEEL’ choice. Btw, 3 AM? BOI GOT BALLS OF TITANIUM
@@slendrio I’m watching it at 4am coz I’ve waited 2 weeks coz I’m such a pussy lmaooo. I’ve neither balls of steel nor bravery I’m just stupid 😂
I like the idea that the scene of 11:30 was just a bunch of friends being told "just stick your arms out for this shot" without knowing why
It worked tho, the first hand just got my spine to freeze up!
it's pretty clearly the same hand in different positions masked in the same scene, which is also why they are so far apart and don't overlap
"Aivaken my son"
-Jacksepticeye,2022
Sean can't read italics, confirmed
I lost it 😂
Indeed
Why does this translate to, "I woke up my son"
Dovah-Kiin
I love how the best combat with alternates is just don't be afraid, which for those who have read or know the Bible, angels always began with "Be not afraid" it so amazing how Alex inputs these amazing things, and that's exactly what Thatcher does in the closet scene, he is still, non-reactive, quiet, and most important not afraid of the closet alternate.
That is an excellent detail that I feel is often missed. The alternates aren't JUST killing people; They are making people kill themselves. He knows they want to toy with him, not just kill him, so he just endures their presence like an extremely creepy housemate.
It also goes back to the original episode with Jonah and Adam. Adam walks into the room with the alternate and, although he encounters it, he escapes alive and unharmed as he was unafraid and sought it out. Jonah, who feared for his life, ran, but didn’t anticipate that the alternate would still be able to attack him because of the technology he had with him, and he ended up dying.
One of these days, Alex is actually going to put a loud jumpscare in one of these and simultaneously kill his entire audience of heart attacks.
Edit: I fucking know. 50 other people have told me.
💀
Good.
Yep. The whole series will just build up to one collosal jumpscare at the end
@@neraslight4997 l o l
@@nakulaman oh my god that sounds awesome
Thatcher is 100% a My Chemical Romance fan. I remember those days, and he does indeed talk exactly like how the Emo kids at my school did. Man. 2009 was a crazy year.
he makes genuinely good music 😭
@@amya8563 I was referring to the LT.
@@sophiethompson2762 fr
He's also actually a music artist on tour rn and is also really good
he has a serious case of shawn milke voice
Alternates are more like Shapeshifters/Doppelgängers than something that possesses people. Just because you see an alternate of someone doesn’t mean the person the alternate is imitating is dead/gone
Don't bother man, he doesn't care about anything but the views.
@@hubdweller9969 Wow, what an untrue and pointless comment. Thanks. I don’t know what’s got you so upset, but damn.
@@hubdweller9969 Why are you so mad, my dude?
@@hubdweller9969terrible take considering he just raised 10 mil for charity
@@hubdweller9969wtf
I think it's funny that one of the aliases the alternate is going by is "Stanley".
Like, "6" is cryptic, "The intruder" is intimidating and then there's "Stanley", which sounds like the name of your neighbour asking to borrow your lawnmower.
or the name of a character who is in an office apartment
The name of a guy who pushes buttons all day for a living and is content with that life.
and then the narrator goes "And then, stanley went into the room into the room into the room into the room into the room into the room in-
I love the little lore details that get sprinkled throughout the series. Alternates being unable to respond accurately to emotional stimuli is one of the ways to spot one if the physical characteristics don't give it away, and Adam is described as having just that issue in this episode.
Lets take a moment to congratulate Jack for raising 10 Million for charity
Dont forget the people who donated aswell
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@@rtx_galaxix
Who are those? Name a few!
@YeaMan page*
@@yeaman9844 cool, but idc
Him not knowing who Throne Baker (Thatcher A.K.A Teenage Disaster) is made the music joke so much funnier bc he actually does make emo music
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT IS THAT ACTUALLY HIM??
holy shit i just looked it up IT IS i thought they just looked really similar GOOD LORD
Man i just thought the look-alike
@@saraily2778 YESSURRR 💯💯💯
The problem with Thorne Baker is that he's supposed to play an ex police officer who is middle aged, yet Baker himself looks like an emo dude in his early 20s
I love the use of 3D animation for this. 3D models of faces can often be uncanny when trying to resemble human faces, but they use this to their advantage really well.
fr, the final reveal of stanely aka the intruder had the perfect look in my opinion
21:29 This has the same energy as seeing a spider disappear after you run to grab a shoe. Just pure panic at the idea of something wandering around your house that you don't want there.
To true
he should do a really long stream where he watches everything in order, it'd probably help him with the lore. Also it'd be interesting to see him connect the dots and stuff
Fr
I think its will be too long
@@certifiedhacker8422bruh
@@certifiedhacker8422livestreams are supposed to be long
I love the Mandela Catalogue stuff. Definitely a different type of horror that just gives you chills and goosebumps
Same here. Its less "jumpscare, gore, blood, be scared" and more "you arent alone anymore." But in an uneasy way
You should check out Local 58 if you haven't. Similar vibes to Mandela
Same! I went and watched all of his channel trying to piece things together, (which is maybe only a couple hours of content), and I WANT MOOORE!! 😂😭
I'm terrified
Analog horror is da dest
"The spirit created the skies above and the water below"
*Jacksepticeye arises from the depths of the ocean*
"Oh yeah look at those reflections baby!"
This should become both biblical lore and Jacksepticeye Lore. Somebody add it to the bible and Jack's origin story.
Jack is the Tom Bombadil of Bible lore. He was there before the Spirit created everything just so he could comment on the reflections
@@honilock577 I accept this as real life canon
And thus the sky and water were created. And Disciple Jack said unto the heavens, "sick reflection god"
And it was good
-Boss:1:1
30:42 OHHHHH THAT CHANGES A LOT OKAY
For anyone who didn't catch exactly what was happening, that was Adam saying (I'm on mobile so I can't replay and type, so forgive me for not being 100% accurate): "I never said it was stupid! I didn't say that! This computer, it's messing with my words!"
Earlier, we saw what message Adam is referring to. Adam calls this entire thing about making a video to honor Jonah "stupid" over online chat with Eveline. In fact, Adam has been upsettingly uncaring about the entire situation with Jonah. Apparently Jonah was his best friend (or, well, Adam was Jonah's best friend), and Adam seems to just not care at all that Jonah died. In fact, it's implied that Adam and Jonah were out getting footage when something happened, and Adam just... made his way back to the car and left without Jonah or getting help. So Adam didn't just lose his friend, he was there when it happened, but seemingly doesn't care _at all_ and is annoyed that Eveline is upset and making him at least put something together to tell their viewers he's gone.
But then we get this. Adam is very upset, and he's screaming at his computer, _"I never said it was stupid, stop messing with my words!"_
Adam _never said it was stupid,_ and he's very upset about that specific part of the distortion.
This means Adam _doesn't think making a video for Jonah is stupid._ Also, not only is whatever is in Jonah's computer sending its own messages to those Jonah's trying to talk to, we can hear it _audibly_ mimicking Jonah's voice, and beginning to mix and match his words into different orders.
We know some types of anomalies can mimic people in different ways, be it in voice or appearance (they're not always perfect, ie the very distorted form of Thatcher we saw). We also know anomalies can traverse through things like screens and mirrors. It seems an anomaly is inhabiting Adam's computer, and is in the process of learning to mimic him.
But this is _huge,_ because it means that we don't know what was actually Adam or not. The voice we hear is Adam very obviously caring about this whole thing with Jonah, and whatever entity that's fucking with him changing the information other people receive. And because it's voice mimicking, that means even the phone call with Eveline where Adam was cruel and uncaring could possibly have been the result of the entity mimicking and distorting Adam's words, and not what Adam was actually saying. Hell, even Adam deleting Jonah's contact might not have actually been Adam's choice.
A lot of the video up to this point is characterizing Adam as a _massive_ piece of shit. But these few seconds right here tell you that we don't actually know _anything_ about Adam, because everything we have seen and heard might not have even _been_ Adam at all.
I just love when so much story telling is done without outright saying so. Adam was never described as uncaring, but his actions stick out as shockingly cold, and frequent enough for the viewer to begin to characterize him, to expect a certain level of disgusting apathy, which is _very_ strong characterization. And then, in a few seconds, without ever saying it outright, it tells us we have no fucking clue what's real in regards to Adam, that our very strong foundation of who Adam is is build on quicksand, that _nothing_ we think we know, we can claim to know. Which also sets up that subconscious alarm, and sets a precedent for the _entire thing_ - again, in mere seconds of audio - that the things we see can be lies without us knowing. If Adam's apathy wasn't even real, how do we know anything else we've seen is the full picture? How do we _actually know_ anything about what's happening? Before that audio, you'd say Adam thought the video project was stupid. But we didn't _know_ that. It wasn't _truth._ Which leaves you with the only thing you _can_ know for certain: _something is very, very wrong, and people are dying because of it._
This has been such a huge theme in the Mandela Catalogue, and it's done _so fucking beautifully._ You fear what you don't know, and the Mandela Catalogue has mastered making sure that all you _can_ know is that nothing, nowhere, and no-one is safe from a danger beyond comprehension.
All you can know is _fear._
Edit* They're alternates, not anomalies. Whoops!
Just one small detail that should be changed. It was Sarah Heathcliff who requested the memorial video. Not Evelyn.
Also isnt that directly connected to where 2 guys where in a haunted house and one did go downstairs because of the cat sounds and other just drove away?
Wasn't Adam the one who stayed and was left behind by Jonah?
@@Scarde0 i think the alternate who was making the cat noises actually took control of adam and went outside of the house and back to his house or smt and jonah died because of the car stopping on the side of the road in vol.2. jonah probably died because an alternate killed him or smt idk cuz he screamed at the end inside of his car. maybe the alternate killed him through the car radio or dashcam idk i might not be correct
Wow...that is fucking terrifying😨
At 24:00 I love how he just called Thatcher's alternate "a Mandela" 💀
Is that a Mandela???
@@specialism640 was that the MANDELA of 09 🤯
reminds me of when he called everything "a minecraft" lol
I was reading comments while watching and righ as I read a Mandela I look up and Sean say " is that a mendela?" Crazy timing
Jack radiating grandma vibes
Jack being funny is awesome, but something he missed because of the edge humor is that the pile of files in 18:22 are ALL missing person reports. Every last one of them is a missing person, and the numbers he didn’t recognize are Mandela’s population (which is dropping by the thousands). Alex Kister’s work is awesome, and I would love to have seen Jacks reaction to that realization 😎
There’s one part in Vol. 4 that has completely stumped me, when Adam and Sarah break into the house, it says it’s July 14th, 11:17 PM for Event 1, when they’re going into the house, for Event 2, it’s July 15th, 12:46 AM, then Event 3, when they run from the house, it’s July 14th, 12:49 AM, it’s entirely possible it was an accident, but something makes me feel like it wasn’t
Almost certainly not, something tells me he doesnt "make mistakes"... But thats just a theo-
I noticed that too because July 15th is my birthday, but then it just went back to july 14th? I definitely don't think its a mistake, I want to know why he did it that way
I mean, I think there's a reason the Department of Temporal Phenomena was involved with the alternates to begin with...
@@oakley6889 A game theory
@@BrokenStrings231 film theory*
Jack was actually right on the money with Thatcher.
Irl, he does actually make music kinda like that haha.
Calling him a 2009 emo is also funny, because I think that's actually the year this takes place in lol
@@immute Lore accurate costuming
@YeaMan do you have a clue what you're even talking about?
@@immute it's a bot
it’s really cool seeing thorne get recognition like this
I'd like to see Jack's reaction when he realizes it was "awaken" not "avaken" lol
Just gonna say I love your username
@@CinaGD ah thanks man, I like yours too
20:56 The worst thing is that it's said that alternates can't physically harm you but can just be there in the corner of your room and you can't really do anything about it, it's just horrifying for me to think about
Edit: This aged.
that csn be both a good and a bad thing
if you know they cant physically hurt you, you may feel safer sleeping
you only get M.A.D if you dont want to hear what they tell you, but if you're interested in figuring it all out, im pretty sure that means you arent affected
I imagine if you act like a total lunatic yourself and not fear them they quite frankly can’t do much, if anything to you
On the one hand, they can’t do anything to hurt you but on the other hand, you can’t hurt them if you’re both sitting there.
If they can't hurt me I'd just insult them when I bother paying attention to them and ignore them most of the time
I’d just get used to it honestly
I've never felt more seen and called out at the same time when Jack was talking about MCR fans. 😭 Changing my facebook status to "I AM NOT AFRAID TO KEEP ON LIVING, I AM NOT AFRAID TO WALK THIS WORLD ALONE" thinking I was deep and niche
@@yeaman9844 lmao u tried
That’s a bot
omg 😭 remembered i put "you are a tree falling down in the woods there aint a sound cuz no ones around. nobody can hear you" in my ROBLOX bio plssss. based off one of my fave songs at the time lol
Lord, MatPat's gonna have a hecking field day with this one
@YeaMan nothing to do with the vid? and who tf are you "lol".
Field day? No a VACATION!
@@Mr.BananaManYT its a spam bot, just ignore them
Matpat did the first 20 minutes already I’m just waiting for the next 20 minutes
My thoughts exactly!
Usually it’s pretty hard for me to watch analog horror because i have schizophrenia and it triggers it but somehow when jack reacts to it it doesn’t trigger it so I’m thankful that he reacts to the full video because otherwise i wouldn’t be able to enjoy horror anymore
Sean not being able to read "Awaken" is quite funny
If you want a deep dive into the lore of these videos, I highly recommend watching Wendigoon’s analysis on them! He’s very chill and laid back while also adding in his own theories as to what’s going on.
The shots and the black and white aesthetic are hands down one of the best horror content I’ve seen before. It truly is a work of art.
my theory about Adam, is that he is indeed an alternate, and the intruder aka Stanley replaced the original Adam as a child in the intruder alert video. the intruder in this volume says "do you remember my touch? (talking to the fake Adam) I cradled him in my arms my sweet boy (referring now to the original Adam) I took him away" this could mean that the intruder had stolen the original Adam through through the tv and killed him, (the "do you remember my touch" part could be referring to him snapping his neck or something), made an alternate of him and replaced the original. this is why he doesn't really know he's an alternate as he was raised and grew up as if he was a normal human, but would also explain why he seems so obsessed with the alternates and is not frightened but intrigued by them. this may also explain why he did not respond to any of the stress assessment videos. also if the report said that him not responding to the video could be due to a recent phenomenon in young children, that could mean that more and more people could be similar to Adam: alternates that don't know they are alternates. Adam could also be a sleeper alternate of some sorts, acting as a normal human but will be "awoken" in a sense to then fulfill his purpose as some important alternate or "the Mandela prophet" as the end of the video referred to him as. this could be the reason why phrases similar to something like "wake up" or "wake up Adam" or "open you eyes" are echoed through the series.
i got my main theory idea from wendigoon so shoutout to him :)
My personal theory is that he might be turning into a new kind of alternate. The first alternate to start out completely human and slowly corrupt and control a host body. These things have a reason to abduct people and as they slowly wise up to the alternates games they will have to change it up to continue to grab more people.
It’s definitely an odd plot line, but this seems like where it’s going.
@@Drunken_Monke Yeah i think based on how many alternates seem to focus on him makes him seem important and unique
@@imireton4766 not just him either. There must be a reason they are just watching Thatcher instead of just offing him already. I'm pretty sure those 2 are the main focus of the story, both hell bent on getting and understanding footage of the alters for wildly different reasons.
Maybe he's not an alternative but an agent against them he is to the intruder as the alternates are to The false shepard who pretends to be the angel gabriel knowing their fear gives him power so the intruder made sure Adam has no fear
Face Studio 2 seems to be a new gateway for Alternates. You're giving them a perfect representation of your face, so they wouldn't need to practice replicating it like before. Adam's "conversation" with his Alternate at 30:01 suggests that his mind was swapped with an Alternate, considering how he says "It's messing with my words" and "PLEASE JUST GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HEAD" (implying he isn't in control of his body), and the fact that the Intruder even says "But your skin is not your own. You're not the real you." A new race of Alternates has been created through Face Studio 2. These new Alternates can take control over your body at any time, and you'd be powerless to stop it. Now, all you'd be able to do is just sit in the passenger seat and watch as a monster roams the Earth wearing your face.
Every time I think this series can't get any more terrifying, Alex always 1-ups the last entry in every way.
So perfect alternates yes scary
Wait what if Adam is like a perfect alternate like so perfect of a copy he does not even know he is an alternate, and so some of the alternates try to remind him
@@smass8586 That’s kind of the point. Alternates can now just fester in your mind and just pop in at any time.
@@smass8586 kinda like how demon possession works in the Bible
the whole point is adam IS an alternate, adam has always been an alternate, explained by the encounter as a child, and why he wasn't responsive
The flowers that seemingly cover up the screen when adam walks through the door in the memorial video he sent to sarah is him censoring jonahs corpes that was killed by the alternate that adam encounters in the house.
what i wouldn’t give to have a full Mandela Catalogue transcript as a series of short stories.
@YeaMan Spell page right first.
I woud definetly prefer that, cause the voice acting and regular acting mixed with the iffy effects Kister uses kinda takes me out of the story way too much. Like that bad greenscreen and CGI windmill look absolutely hilarious and I can't take it seriously.
@@SquadPoop yeah i think it’s not like bad given what Alex has to work with, but it would be really cool if he could transform his story with a higher budget production and team. probably wishful thinking but it would just be really cool to see this as a movie
So Adam and Jonah were from Mandela 2(I believe). Jonah left Adam at the house and was killed by an alternate on the side of the road.
This claims that Adam walked until he found the car, left Jonah's body on the side of the road, drove home, and COMPLETELY fucking phoned it in for Jonah's death and memorial. Jonah, his best friend.
I suggest watching Wendigoon's stuff on these, I think he's pretty much got it down pat. Especially since Mandela 4 drops so much info and lore and connections.
Also Thatcher's cop partner, Weaver, died in the Mandela 3. Then the alternate turned into an exact copy of Thatcher in front of him and it fucked him up
Exactly what I was thinking, however I think an alternate is impersonating Adam mainly due to the computer scene where we can see him removing Jonah’s contact, it would make sense to do that if you felt no remorse for Jonah, it also already makes sense that the same alternate killed them both because in Jonah’s death scene the alternate talks about him leaving Adam to die.
I thought Jonah was the guy that went into the basement and watched the TV and died and Adam was his friend who left. Unless I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like capturing paranormal activity was pretty central to that episode and that lines up with what I'm seeing in this episode.
I still don't believe Jonah is dead. He did not make a death sound and more so his body is never seen. Maybe he was "swallowed by a whale" for now
@@oofskiiyt4660 remember what the intruder says. "I took him away...you're not the real you." He took Adam when he was a child, and was replaced by an Alternate who forgot what he is
so fuckin creepy bro
Dude I can't believe I was tricked by the alter for like half the video. Such a genius decision to make Adam out to be careless about Jonah's death, to both pin us and Sarah against him, when in reality what was being sent to her wasn't from him at all. God this series is so good at manipulating the audience.
Edit: Omg and I just realized, the intro literally sets this up! The Man, Adam, staring down at the woman, Eve. Sarah's scared and disturbed by how Adam reacts to Jonah's death, but just like how Adam meets the devil in the intro, it's because the devil/alternates are messing with what Adam's saying!
Father O’ Brien and Gabriel being voiced by a guy called “It’s a me Wario” is hilarious.
WA ITSA ME WARIO
LMAOP NO WAY
Is it just me or dose Jacks audio commentary during the whole thing makes me feel so much better?
I agree. I’m watching this in the middle of the night and I’m regretting it lol
Yes a lot better I don’t think I could sit through the whole video alone lmao
100% agree!
That is exactly why I'm here watching. I couldn't watch this on my own tbh
Something that it seems like not everyone noticed is that, when fake thatcher is talking he knew the police’s way of talking, saying: this is lieutenant thatcher, call off all units.
Nothing was more frustrating than putting in a tape to watch and realizing someone didn't rewind it after they were done.
I got yelled at so many times that I always remembered at one point 😂
it was me. i always forgot to rewind 😭😭
Oh man! I forgot all about that haha. We would use that time to do something else or make popcorn and you go back into the room and ask whoever is watching with you “did it finish yet?”
Alex needs to be brought in by some higher up horror related corporation because he's been able to construct this world, from the beginning, just through a shoe string budget.
It’s because he’s on a shoe string budget that he can create such a world
Being quickly given access to everything can make for an unlikely masterpiece or a complete disaster due to quickly racking up budget and possible low returns due to bad marketing or the fact that his name isn't that popular in the movie scene. I would much rather see him start with this, keep going with the brand, do as he sees and get better and build up his own budget and maybe get some outside help later down the line to set everything right. He does have a knack for making you feel uncomfortable with his content though. He should definitely let his mind go wild with this series and try stuff out since that's what most others don't do, they try to stay in line with whatever someone else wants and that's the beauty of indie stuff overall, complete artistic freedom.
Blumhouse is all about stuff like this and has a strict low budget policy. They'd be perfect for each other
Nah, a corp would just try to commercialise his passion 'n' would pro'ly drive him into burn-out.
AYO FAX BRO
Dude when the face said "Do your part in uploading your face to make a better society" or something like that, I think Sean nailed it with the whole AI thing.
I remember at the climax of the story when the hero said "It's Mandelin' time."
*_Endless chills._*
Then they mandel-ed all over people
Thatcher says "It's Mandelin' Time" and the Alternate responds with "Ayo thats my line"
@@JustMardus *_The plot enthickenates!_*
Also when the intruder said “it’s wall time” and absolutely went in the walls, truly a Shepard moment
Jack if jonah sounds weird it's because the original voice actor got fired.
For those of you that haven't heard what happened and why he was fired here is the explination:
Jonah (Gabe) was being mean to alex by saying that Alex's script was bad and that he himself could do better, bossing around the other people even tho he was only an actor. He had also mentioned that alex was going to kill himself (he is fine he hasn't actually going to do so)
Jonah (Gabe) had also blackfaced.
😬😬😬😬
😦
Maybe it was better for the alternates to have gotten him in hindsight-
Wow that’s fucked
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 exactly
As an artist - thank you for speaking out against AI Art. This problem needs to be spoken out against more openly.
Ai art isnt the problem fool
As an artist - The problem is not the AI art,
It's how people use AI art.
@@LiaMakesContentWow Yes. More or less how the art was scraped (copyright and stuff).
@@luciferschoice you say this but do you actually know which programs just use images indiscriminately without permission? do you actually have facts to back the "they all steal art" claim beyond a bunch of bored twitter mongers looking for something to be outraged about repeating it over and over. they certainly exist and art does get "stolen" (used without permission, the validity of the word stolen is kinda bunk in my opinion, its digital) but most of the big mainline AI image generators are at least kind of reputable. some can be fed source material by users which would cause art to make its way into the system without permission, but in a large way its just too vague and overreaching of an argument to hold any weight.
@@logandarnell8946 Ah, another one of those butthurt AI-Fans- I see. Because the "fodder" for your machine is not happy and is speaking out about it. Don't try to normalize it. This discussion is not only on "Twitter" - Twitter is just the help to spread information faster. I'll try, to explain, but english is not my native language.
You can find this debate on a lot of sites. Trainingdata had to be fed, otherwise Ai could not replicate/generate anything. It needs something to learn. Many of my friends and artists around the globe have found their whole art gallerys have been scraped and can be found in the Laion Database. It even recreates the watermarks of us artists.
As links will most likely get deleted, here are the things you can take a look into.
• Kotaku - AI Creating 'Art' Is An Ethical And Copyright Nightmare
• The Verge - ArtStation is hiding images protesting AI art on the platform
• ArsTechnica - Artist finds private medical record photos in popular AI training data set
• NYTimes - The Alt-Right Manipulated my Comic. Then AI claimed it.
• The Verge - AI art tools Stable Diffusion and Midjourney targeted with copyright lawsuit
• The Verge - Getty Images sues AI art generator Stable Diffusion in the US for copyright infringement
•Also take a look into "magnificoheritage" on Instagram
the "look at those reflections baby" TOOK ME OUT SO BADLY 😂😂😂
For Jack's question at 6:00, not only did we had a VHS player and several dozen of tapes (mainly Disney and MGM stuff), but we had for a very brief time (not even 3 months) a Super8 player. The reason why we didn't kept this one longer than our VHS player was because the price for each Super8 movie was 4 times higher than a VHS movie back then (around 1997).
Super8? Idk what that is, is it a betamax player or do they just fit the same description bc that's exactly the story of beta cassettes
Im guessing super8 is video8 cassette's, smaller than both beta and VHS, first used exclusively for camcorders then later developed further by Sony for use in movies, yet they never had a very large market due to them being a lot more expensive yet offering no improvements on beta or VHS tech. One cool thing was a Walkman video player that was made so you could watch movies on the go though, because of the smaller size of the tapes they could make a pocket size video player.
Sarah: " Let's go Ghost Hunting! "
Sarah (Again): "Oh hell naw bruh. "
I CANNOT get over the scene of the person in the closet. That shit was beyond creepy D: I love it and hate it at the same time.
Also I love that these videos never have jumpscares. I applaud anything that can be scary without loud sounds and jumps.
They definitely aren't in your closet right now
@@peachibread1983 Jokes on you, I don't have a closet >:D
@@bleumoon__ damn, defeated by home planning
Me too! I usually use the little scroll to skip past any extra spooks but right before the closet scene i missed i had a bowl of ceneral in my hand. The moment they popped up i yelped and threw cereal EVERYWHERE! At least my dog enjoyed some lol (it was non-chocolate cereal dw)
I really love the analogue horror trope of scares being when the sound cuts out. It's so much more unsettling
The guy who plays Adam (edit: Thatcher) does a pretty good job to be honest. Like the weird emo dialogue was a lot, but the part where he read his "letter" was pretty well acted.
yeah that emotional crying bit was great
That was Thatcher bruh….
@@chilipeper0895 You're right, have edited it
Yeah I was really pleasantly surprised by how little cringe I felt during the crying bit.
@@thecosmicradiation why did you write “edit: thatcher” instead of replacing Adam with thatcher
Love how Jack calls out Thatcher for sounding emo, which he totally does, but then it's revealed it's probably because he's really not mentally well after being follow home by his alternate... and it appears his alternate is isolating him too, calling off the units and such.
mentally unwell people dont write edgy my chemical romance emo edgar allen poe monologues this isnt the 1800s
Thatchers character really really pulled me out of this one. It felt so childish.
dude he is a emo i listen to his music he is called teenage disaster. he activley claims to ba an emo too so lmao
If you want a good analysis of the Mandela catalogue, Wendigoon has multiple really good videos breaking it down and hypothesizing on what’s happening.
Agreed, and he did a livestream of Mandela 4 on Wendigang. Most if it is laughing at the idea of Adam getting Jonah killed then phoning it in 🤣🤣
@@LivenUp7 that was amazing
@@LivenUp7he had the same reaction I did when it showed the alternate in thatchers closet. He didn’t see it at first and than u take a closer look and BAM it hits u in the face
30:00. I got the feeling that the creepy face that is explaining the Face Studios 2 isnt a 'glitch', or whatever. Its literally one of the creatures, that made, or helped make Face Studio 2 as a whole. A program they could use to collect faces... from the internet (kinda proving Sean right in his idea of how AI can be used to steal artwork too - once you are able to be 'seen' by the AI, your clothes, your face, your ideas - the AI can reproduce anything youve done, or make stuff you havent thought of yet). It shows that the creatures are learning more an more too. They took over the tvs, and now theyre coming for people thru computers, probably phones next, even radio with what happened with Jonah (or recorder, or whatever the voices and stuff were coming thru - maybe his camera).
This is DEFINITELY it. The face moves in a very weird way because the alternates have a hard time moving in a human-like way, so the face moves just like theirs do.
Besides, O'Brien is a character from the novel 1984 who appears to the protagonist as the only one who can give him a way out from the dystopian world, but who later betrays him and reveals he was just using him as a puppet. I definitely think Alex Kister got inspiration from that
The reason I like to watch Jack reacting to these videos rather than watching the original is because honestly I don’t like feeling uneasy. However I deeply enjoy horror plots/lore/theory’s and Jack provides a nice middle group, where I can experience the interesting themes provided while Jack keeps things light bringing viewers “up for air” every now and again. ☺️❤️
I feel the same, it's like having someone to be scared with
Yeah alex's stuff is something I am not watching by myself even in a lit room, im subscribed to him and liked the videos but I am not watching that stuff alone, thank you very much.
Wendigoon watched this one live for the first time as well and explains it all which makes it less creepy imo
sammmmmmmmmmme bro it feels like he keeping me company
Hey jack, some stuff you missed and some insights. Thatcher was the cop from thr previous episode and he left ruth behind and his in his home for years. Adam was in the duo from a previous episode wherewere investigating a ladies house. It is now theorized that adam was always a alternate and that the real adam was taken by the intruder. There is a bunch of other things that you missed so i would recommend if you got the time, i would do a quick run down of the previous episode.
I was getting so into this and then my dog barked and I nearly shat myself while simultaneously had a heart attack
I very rarely comment on videos but for this, I want to suggest and hope Jack checks out The Smile Tapes if he hasn't already. Very eerie and definitely right up Jacks alley!
THIS SOME ONE GET THIS NOTICED 😤😤😤
P.S congrats on the 100 likes I HAD TO PUT IT TO 100! IT WAS ON 99
I'd HIGHLY recommend the two videos wendigoon had made on the mandela catalouge if you want a better insight into this story, im sure another is coming soon since volume 4 hasn't been covered yet
not yet, but a full live reaction and analysis is on wendigang :D
At around minute 40 I actually yelled out loud because as the sky was going dark for Dave, my lava lamp suddenly shifted the lighting in my room and I deadass thought that devil was here for me bruh
the hands in the hallway were pretty scary until i thought about how people had to film them flailing their hands
Jack straight up hit him with the "touch grass" move
Highly recommend watching Wendigoon's theory video on the Mandela catalogue if you have time! He hasn't put out a new one for vol 4 yet, but I think he does a really great job explaining the events and the timelines of the earlier videos and really does his research well.
Dude I literally just commented the same thing, I'm glad someone else here watches his analysis videos. They're bloody awesome.
The alters are not just in the interney. Afaik they have existed alongside humans ever since the earth was created (hencd the Michael Alter who tricked religious people into believing he was an angel). And ofc they are trying to grow. They are monsters, not animals or humans. They have zero function but to grow and devour. Throughout the series, they have gotten better and better at replicating human faces, and human voices. That face technology might have been created by them or one found it and corrupted it like one did to that TV in episode 1 and 2. It found it, realized it's potential and corrupted it to use it to copy humans better.
The Synchronized "AHHH! IT MOVED!" reaction to the creep in the closet; anyone else?😂😂😂😂
I was thinking that Adam sounded like Sykkuno throughout the entire dialouge, so glad Sean commented on it so I knew I wasn't going crazy 😂
Really glad to hear Jack say something about AI art since it’s such an important subject, he explained it well.
He really didn’t, the AI isn’t copying anything and putting public images into its “brain” isn’t stealing shit. The images are PUBLIC. Once an artist makes them available people can do whatever they want with it so long as it doesn’t break copyright. And the AI isn’t storing those images, it’s taking the data assigned to them and making new ones based off that.
It’s also a very small minority that’s using this tech for personal profit that’s causing all people who use to get a bad rep.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 AI machines do not know what is copyrighted and what is not. Yes, people can do whatever they want with public images as long as they adhere to copyright. The issue is that people can sneakily feed copyrighted images into AI, the AI knows no better. I've already seen plenty of examples of people feeding other people's copyrighted art into AI machines to make very similar images based on that. As a result, other people accidentally generate very similar images and are accused of violating copyright. Yes, it's a few people doing it, but those few people are literally poisoning the well.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 too bad that copyright still falls under most artworks
also... absolutely not? if someone shares their art with the public doesn't fucking mean you can do whatever you want with it??? by that logic i could actually take the monalisa and just spray paint on it what i want, since you know... da vinci shared it with the world 🤪
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 according to copyright law, for works made by artists and authors, the copyright remains with the artist unless the rights are signed over.
@@heathenised You can take a digital copy of the Mona Lisa, print it out, and spray paint it. Anything aside from messing with the original copy which you can’t do with a digital file, kinda figured that would be clear.
Also if you want copyright to heavily protect artists say goodbye to all fanart in existence
Hi Seán! I highly recommend Wendigoon. He does a great job at giving a summary, theory and timeline of what happened! Definitely helped me a lot when trying to piece the thing together.
I can’t wait for an update video from him soon!
The thing I love about this so much is the voice actors it’s almost like a creepy pasta. I absolutely love good narration and would honestly love to narrate some thing like this.
Honestly i preferred it when Gabriel had a bot voice. It was a perfect fit, sounded *almost* human, almost real, but so damn fake at the same time
me too, but i got a feeling they changed it to O' Briens voice given Gabriel copied him(?)
Dave calls out to Gabriel because it's O' Briens voice (given the credits they are the same Voice actors)
@@MrWoeff Yeah you can hear Dave go "O'Brien?" when Gabriel shows up
This might be an unpopular opinion but I honestly preferred the way the videos were done in the beginning? The more we see of the alternates and the 3D effects kind of takes the horror elements out of it and what made it so unsettling in the first place? The way the faces were distorted in the original actually terrified me
But the last 3 or so updates…it just doesn’t hit the same anymore
@@jigglybeez3682 I kinda like it. The 3D effects are kind of like that early 90s/2000s 3D animation, which seems to track with the improving technology over the years. It looks sorta janky but it's supposed to. I agree though that seeing more of the alternates does remove some of the mystery.
@@jigglybeez3682 i like the alternates and stuff, the acted stuff with dave just really killed my immersion.
really admire jack for speaking out against ai/art theft and connecting that to this theme. awesome as always jack/sean hehe
Also still really like this reference to biblical figures- using them as a metaphor for the internet and communication networks. Moses, Mary, Gabriel- they "connected" people, traveled distances to connect with people, spread a message; just like TVs, networks, videos, the internet. They were the alternates early TVs, spreading the alternate's influence and tapping peoples' fear. Very creative.
I feel as if the references to biblical figures can be both metaphorical like you said but I believe that it's literal. Since we know the fake Gabriel was the first alternate whose to say the other biblical stories shown here were not apart of this
Adam: "there is *nothing* that can scare us away!"
Alternates: "and I took that personally"
The biblical speech at the beginning along with Jack in the corner proves that he is essentially Jesus looking down at all of us
that face was creepy as shii
The face in the correspondence part says,"a thriving society of followers of the true savior,a mess of tangled limbs danced around my bedroom,i held my breath and waited for it to stop,i was too scared."and then it just glitches out
thank you good sir
@@kaboomrang7909 of course!
I Swear Sarah's voice actor is the same woman who does Amanda the Adventurer, either that or the voices are incredibly similar
Glad I wasn't the only one hearing that.
I hear it too!
Say apples
I can’t unhear it now 😅
THE TALKING IN BOTH OF MY INDIVIDUAL EARS MADE MY SOUL ESCAPE MY BODY
FRRR I HATED THAT SHIT
I love watching Seán react to these. They are so good I can't watch them alone, I get too creeped out. Thank you for giving a laughing barrier to the scares!
❤️❤️❤️
Ooooooo
YOO
IT'S YOU
ALEX
alex your videos are very based and spooky
Alex always does such an amazingly horrific job. I loved the alternates shown this time. Absolutely chilling.
This reminds me of how people will donate DNA to ancestry sites. I heard a lawyer say they would never do that, because some of those companies don’t have a strict limit on what they can use your DNA for.. a scary thought.. haha but another great video. Thanks!
As silly as it may sound hearing him say that stuff, I believe Thatcher truly believes in what he’s saying.
He left his partner, Ruth, to die, survived the events at the end of Volume 3 by shooting at the alternate, helplessly watched the population of his town basically crumble to oblivion over the course of years, and is basically being tormented by nightmares and ideas of a second, distorted, and malevolent version of him still being out there. He’s been in hiding and isolated for years at this point, alone with his thoughts and guilt, trying his best to fight a war he can’t win.
So even if what he’s saying sounds like a “my chemical romance” stan, its definitely far from unjustifiable.
Jumped out on my skin. Was looking at my second monitor when the voice in my right ear came on and scared the shit out of me. Literally turned around thinking someone was in the room with me then it moved to the other ear. Holy crap
I was born 2000 but we had vhs's for quite a while, especially at my grandmas place. She still has them and they always bring back so many memories
They played the recording of the last castrato on the radio the other day and it instantly reminded me of the existence of this.
I never tire of this dude's support for artists--a while back he made his distaste for plagiarism/reposting of fanart known, in a more recent video his distaste for NFTs/crypto, and in this one he all but says AI & the way people use it is plagiarism. Exceedingly grateful for such a big name to acknowledge the faults in these fads when too many other celebs are so quick to jump on them as if they were the future of art/technology.
Mandela catalogue has progressively gotten less and less scary, it just feels like a documentary now.
If anything this makes it more scary, almost like it’s becoming more realistic. (just me tho)
And longer and longer
I disagree, specially if you follow the story carefully
Hey Jack, while I definitely do recommend looking back at the previous mandela catalogue entries, I also HIGHLY recommend checking out Wendigoon's videos on this series.
He does a damn good job of taking everything, explaining it, and putting it all into a cohesive timeline. Plus, he's probably out of anyone, other than Alex himself and maybe some other people working on the the series, in the know on some inside information than most people have on the series. So you get some serious (non spoiler) insight that you might not pick up on otherwise.
So people most likely d!e when they encounter an alternate, they whisper overwhelming knowledge to the victim, make them go mad, and k!ll themselves, and that causes the alternate chance to replace them. But if you look back at the video called " metaphysical awareness disorder " (M.A.D), You will know that there's a small percentage that survives it and Thatcher is one of them, so now we have alternate Thatcher and real Thatcher coexisting because he didn't get affected by M.A.D and still alive.
great explanation, replying to boost
yeah this is very well put. booooost
I recommend Wendigoon’s videos on the Mandela Catalogue. His series doesn’t yet include vol.4 but he does a great job at explaining and laying out the story.
He has a streaming reaction on his channel wendigang that is still up and about vol 4
Me, trying to enjoy the 3D audio:
Jack: IS THAT A MANDELA
3d audio?
I was born 2004, 18 now. I used a VHS when I was 7-12. The movies I favored and first watched with the VHS was Old Yeller and Patch Adams. Amazing movies.
Jack I’m really glad your making these types of videos because my scared ass couldn’t do this alone
Something I found very interesting is Jack’s reaction to Adam’s 3 pictures at the end because, well, he DOES look like Stanley, just a little bit less alterlike. It made me think about Stanley’s monologue a little more, how parental he sounds in it, seemingly more reminding and explaining rather than seeming malicious, and then it hit me, Lynn & Jude are the original Adam’s parents. Stanley created Murray, as he calls him (probably bc current Adam is not actually Adam) so Stanley seems to be like his parent, or thinks of himself that way
Murray is Adams last name