Ah man thank you! Slow and steady! It’s been a great year and getting better all the time! I LOVE making reviews - the best help is of course a sub, watch and spread the word! I would love to cover literally every leading product, gotta dream big right??
Underrated moment was the purposefully vague commentary about a legal dispute with another grinder manufacturer to then flashing the comandante. Chefs kiss on the production magic there hahaha
I have no definitive info on the reason for the handle change aside from Internet forum rumours. And plenty of 1zpresso grinders still have “the” handle design 🤷♂️ I also think the C40 is an excellent grinder!
@@DaddyGotCoffee They must have changed this very recently. I bought a ZP6 Special from 1zpresso directly in May 2024 and it still had the rigid handle, the K-Ultra I bought almost exactly a year before that already had the bendable one
Kingrinder also had to change handle for European market. Allegedly because Comandante sued them. I have new straight handle on K6 instead of old curved one.
it's a patent dispute that is a German market (and potentially EU) specific. the not to be named German hand grinder company holds a patent on the specific handle shape, which means that you can officially only buy 1zpresso grinders with the new handle shape.
After watcing again, I'm compelled to add a second comment! This review should honestly be pinned in the r/pourover sub. The explanation of the pros and cons of 'high clarity' grinders, plus the direct comparison to two other frequently discussed ZP6 competitors makes this a very informative video for those getting deep into pour over. I've owned the three grinders discussed here. I think your take is 100% spot on.
With the encouragement of this video, I got a K-Ultra as my all-rounder grinder and I absolutely love it. Great body and complexity for French Press and mocha pot, but also really good clarity for pour-over. Fantastic range. One day I'll splurge and get a zp6 just for pour-over; but the K-Utra is a fantastic choice.
Huge fan of the ZP6, got one around the start of 2024 and it's been immensely helpful being a Roaster using it for QC / QA / Coffee profiling purposes. Great review! Glad I'm not the only one who thought Pietro has it's issues despite it being the "clarity god". Cheers! ~
I recently bought this grinder one week ago, upgrading from timemore C3. As someone who drinks light to medium roast, i agree. This zp6 won't be my only grinder for pourover. Sometimes you want to experience more blended taste.
Try using a blend of sizes. I do this with mine and results are amazing. Just grind half the beans at your target setting and the other half a couple clicks finer. And that's it. People often compares the ZP6 with flat burrs in a way it produces a very clean cup, which surely does, only in a slightly different way. Over a certain threshold, there's no better or worse grinder; just ones that suit your preferences better. Given PSD is so important, you should find something that works well with the coffees you regularly use. ZP6 is fantastic and can't be any happier with it. The more I use it the more I love it. If you're really into coffee making, you'll certainly find the best way to adjust your tools. No magic, no rocket science. Coffee is an art in the end. It's the artisan who finds new ways to explore and achieve wonderful crafts!
Subbed. I had the same choice to make between the ZP6 and Pietro. Chose the ZP6 + J-Ultra because combined they were cheaper than the Pietro. Also got them from Rogue Wave!
Agree overall with your takes! I also have both the ZP6 and Pietro with Pro Brew burrs. Despite all its flaws, the cup quality of the Pietro just keeps pulling me back. ZP6 is great as well though. Definitely a great time to be a hand grinder enthusiast.
@@chriswalzer some people say c40 commandante and k series taste the same but I hear they're actually pretty different recently. What do you think having both? I had a k plus previously never compared much with zp6 though but like coffee daddy says they're both good zp6 is a bit juicier and higher clarity k series seems more traditional but still good pretty high clarity.
@BensCoffeeRants - I would second that while in a very similar zone, there are some differences between the C40 and K-Ultra that aren't often discussed. I have a C40 vid coming up and I'm going to dive into this a little more.
I bought the ZP6 about a month ago, and it turned out to be the best investment I've ever made related to coffee. I only brew light roasts for myself, so no surprises there. Will still keep my Ode gen 2 though, but only because I brew slightly more developed coffees for my friends and guests. Great review!
Cant agree more, Everything is perfectly explained. I have pietro, zp6, electric a4z (a4z), kultra and c40 but my goto cups for 90+ grade coffees is Pietro. Just the flavor separation is insane.
Il start off saying great video. I been enjoying all your coffee content! Love grinder comparions. I own a k-ultra and couldn't be happier with the pour over brews. I brew light and fruity clarity 8/10 times with the occasional medium roast traditional cup. I dont even have to try or think about it and the coffee comes out amazing every time. I Just purchased a bambino for espresso and the k-ultras performs incredibly as well. I always considered buying a zp6 as my second grinder to have clarity cups but k-ultra tastes so good to me i dont even think i want a second grinder anymore.
Yeah the K is just such an all around workhourse that genuinely excels across the board. It may not be as high of clarity as the ZP6 but is a very clear profile in its own right.
Kingrinder K6 is my first manual grinder, coming from Encore ESP which I think it's excellent, but the K6 for me as a beginner, is incredibly sublime for clarity at course setting (100 clicks from true zero). Tea like weak body, but incredible complex flavor layout, it's something I've never tasted before specially the light roasts but also the medium ones. I used to like more body but with this the flavor elegance trumps body strength. Now I'm wondering and very curious if getting the ZP6 would be worth it, noticeable better?
Amazing video. Love what’s you’ve chosen to highlight and talk about. My first coffee grinder was the K Ultra. Love it. Works well for everything and makes delicious cups of coffee. I have considered the fiorenzato but decided against it and to just purchase a dedicated 64mm Zerno just for filter use, because I found myself enjoying exploring what different coffee’s can do for me.
Ooh interesting alright. I’ve got a hu Zerno for all of my day to day and a kinu phoenix for travel. Was thinking the zp6 would cover me for the light roast / filter area but maybe the kinu pour over burrs are similar anyway?
Having the ZP6 since it was re-released a year or so ago, I learned that having a grinder with a contrasting profile is almost a must. A yin and yang kind of approach. At some point, I missed the juicy, complex brews out of my C40. Not to mention, the Comandante is a more forgiving grinder overall towards a variety of origins and roasting styles.
This video actually pushed me towards the Pietro - wife has been asking me to pick a birthday gift under $500 and I wanted a high clarity hand grinder to complement/contrast my C40. Think I can deal with the bad workflow since it's not my only grinder.
I was inspired by this and the momentum vid, and as a Zp6 owner I had to try the following: Grinder Zeroed at 3 click before 0. Same coffee (10g) On a negotiated orea v3 & kalita wave filters. Same recipe. Clicks are calculated from 0 (not the 3 before). For the pour 1 I went as far open as the grinder would allow (45clicks on the second rotation), and then ground again at my normal test setting (at 55 clicks). For pour 2, I went with my normal tesr setting. Cup 1 was noticeable "cleaner" in its taste, while cup 2 was slightly more astringent. That being said the difference was only noticeable when tasted side by side & I don't know if double grinding my coffee is something I'll do on the daily. I'd love a deep dive into double grinding though. I think there's a discussion to be had on how this could change the value of low/mid range grinders. I'd also love your thoughts on how much closer it brings the cup to the tatse of the pietro, if at all! On a side note, grinding coffee straight from the freezer makes a much larger difference then the double grind.
Very good review in a rapidly evolving market. How about the new Timemore S3? Supposed to be two steps up from their C2 and one from C3 with upgraded burr and tighter tolerances. Just a thought: perhaps the idea of one hand grinder for both pour over and espresso could be a chimera. Very different type of grinder needed for either, I suspect. I’m exclusively a pour over guy and use an old LIDO OE grinder that in its day was top-shelf. Probably no longer! 😊
It's been a while since I had the K series but I remember it being pretty high clarity too but it is q bit more traditional profile and versatile as you say. Wouldn't say its low clarity for light roasts though which some people may have inferred. Glad you mentioned that higher clarity profile may not be what everyone really wants thats true or you may not want it all the time for every type of coffee. If your coffee has flaws or is bad coffee it makes it worse generally lol. My coffee set up has a lower clarity / higher body more traditional option, I want that at least for espreeso sometimes for pourovers I'm usually going to want a higher clarity one since I'm usually doing it with a fancy light roast.
I bought a Pietro, hated it because of the workflow and returned it. I purchased a ZP6 grinder, which I find to be the perfect hand grinder for filter. I still prefer my P64 with SSP MP, but the ZP6 is really not far behind. For the price, it's crazy to think it produces such a great filter coffee for 2000$ less than my P64.
i have the pietro and was considering zp6 for portability and flexibility because i love xbloom burrs but now k ultra is maybe my next target … very interesting thanks ♡ cheers ☕️
I would absolutely love a video on some cheaper hand grinders, as someone with a niche zero and a Zerno with HU burrs coming in the post, I really want to get into filter coffee, but don't wanna spend a fortune on a filter capable Grinder, and may as well get a hand grinder for the cost of another burr set without the inconvenience of having to constantly switch them out every time I want to go between espresso and filter.
Awesome review! Could you make a video also about how do you form your recipies/pouring methods with the zp6? Since we are quite many using the it, I think it would be useful to have a video with some pro tips from someone who knows it in and out.
I am really always changing this around, but generally it's almost always a pulse pour recipe. Hoffmans 1-cup v60 recipe (A Better 1 Cup Recipe) is a great starting point. I go for a slightly longer bloom and mess with the temperature depending on the bean. I do have a Deep27 and UFO review posted recently if you use either of those that have a recipe too.
I yearned for a ZP6 but I found a really good deal on a Cafesing Orca and honestly the clarity I get from that feels miles above most other hand grinders I’ve used, plus I can use the second set of burrs for espresso. I wouldn’t want to pay the full $240 for it, but it hasn’t left me wanting more!
I bought these grinder after owning the comandante and using it on a daily basis since 2020. I wanted to love this grinder more than my comandante, but so far it hasn't been the case, I'm still experimenting with it so my mind might change on it when calibrating the grinder to find 0, it seemed impossible because the handle locks up in certain places on the handlespin, but other places it's loose, making me thing it's not aligned, I contacted 1zpresso with a video of it and they say it's not faulty, I have made really good brews with it, but when comparing head to head to the comandante I've been favoring comandante (so far at least) maybe years of seasoning the burrs with the comandante, Maybe I've adjusted my brew method and perfectly dialed in the grind setting on the comandante What I don't like about the 1zpresso is to have to calibrate it everytime I clean it, especially since calibrating it seems like an inconsistant task because I don't really know what 0 is supposed to be because it locks up in different places depending on where the handle is facing
I got an 1zpresso K Ultra as well as the ZP6. The Ultra is superior in terms if usability. It grinds more than twice as fast, has the magnetic catch cup and is also capable of espresso. So you might think, jack of all trades master of none. But overall, I was surprised how well the Ultra performed compared with the "holy grail" ZP6. It comes across more "juicy" and fruity, but it is a bit more blended and less crisp. That said, I am not sure if it is worth having both, as the Ultra is by no means just "capable" of filter, it is a real pleasure. The difference to the ZP6 is there, but surprisingly subtle overall. We are talking of the last percents. And they both outperform the Comandante in like every aspect. Btw, great review as always, shoutout to your significant other as well, relatable and charming- really helps putting your opinion into perspektive
Thank you so much! And agreed here - the K-Ultra is an incredible grinder. Sometimes I think when people hear that the ZP6 is clearer they infer that the K-Ultra is muddy or overly complex. It’s not. The way you’ve described it as juicy really perfectly describes its vibe. It’s a “big” cup in a good way and full of flavor. Fantastic grinder and probably my current overall fave from the 1zpresso line.
Personally my biggest issue with the K-Ultra was that while it's technically capable of espresso, I often had the issue that even 1 click was changing brew times a lot. Obviously you could then try to change other variables to achieve the best taste, but at least for light roasts it was kind of frustrating. I actually switched to ZP6 for pour over and J-Ultra for espresso.
@@dabougi8063 I've noticed on my friends zp6 vs my own his has a slow feeding issue where the burrs don't grab the beans effectively. I made a video demonstrating but never posted it due to myself being in the video lol. His took twice the amount of turns to grind and about 2x as long ( it's also slightly easier to crank) but especially frustrating towards end of grinding where last few bean fragments just popcorn a while. My Zp6 is pretty quick.
@@BensCoffeeRantsmy zp6 works exactly as your friends one does. It is slow, but so is f.e. the comandante, and for filter I have no problem with that. I like the process and I am still faster than the water is heating up. The last popcorning is a bit annoying- strange that you do not experience this yourself. Anyhow, the contrast to the Ultra is massive, even for my 16g Espresso Grounds I am done in about 20-25sec, you really feel how the beens get "sucked in". I knew this f.e. from my espresso focused BPlus Apollo (which I never tried for filter). So I was surprised, that the Ultra gives you great filter cups even with the kind of aggressive burr geometry
I have Kpro and ZP6 special. Kpro is sweeter and juicier. ZP6 definitely clearer and refined. With ZP6 i can push extraction even harder and still get well balanced cups which is surprising. I'd say that for most medium roasts K series do better. For light roasts ZP6 is still BETTER.
If you were given the choice to pick one or the other, zp6 or pietro, for the same price, which would you choose? Or better yet, which is the better choice for someone who would like to upgrade from baratza sette 30 to something more “high end”
Well done. So before watching, I was on the fence about ZP6, K Ultra, or Kinu M47 (with both burrs included). My current setup is Timemore C2, & an upgrade will give me an elevated experience (whether that’s “well-rounded” or with greater clarity). My guess is that I will clearly find separation and clarity with ZP6 or Kinu with the pourover burr. My wondering is if there is more bang for the buck with both burrs included w/ Kinu, and that my new daily grinder will work with most light to medium roasts (clean or funky) for a working dad who makes one big cup and has to get moving in the morning 😅
Thanks for this review, I'm always relying on your honest reviews to get the true and real answers. Please keep it on. A question please, if I used any other grinder such as 1zpresso kplus or ode fellow gen2 then used a coffee sifter to remove fines, does that give me the same clarity results as of from zp6? Because if the answer is yes, then I believe I don't need to buy zp6, right?
Sifters do def help and will improve clarity - they're not without their issues though. COffee particles are not perfect spheres, often they are more shard like. So some fines can make it through the sieve while other don't even if they are the same size/weight. Also, consistency in sieving is more difficult depending on your time/method of shaking. Lastly, since sieving technically removes part of the dose, dosing accurately can be more finicky. It can improve clarity, but a lot of a brews character comes from the shape of grounds a specific burr produces, not just the particle size distribution. But it would get you closer for sure!
Sometimes it’s just a mood thing, I’m looking for more juiciness and “big” factor in a cup. Other times I find the makeup of a coffee doesn’t lend itself well to that level of flavor clarity/separation for a variety of reasons. Like, a lemongrass note that may come across almost candied with a more blended profile can sometimes get highlighted in a more individual and less flattering way on the ZP6/Pietro. It’s highly dependent on the coffee in cases like this and really varies when it comes to flavor expression. Just my experience!
Interesting! I’m kind of torn between zp6 and k ultra, i prefer the price of the zp6… do you think that i could get more sweetness and body from this grinder by finer setings? Thanks for good video:)
Typically I’m 4.5-5.5 unless I’m in an edge case type brew situation like a low dose brew with a deep27 or something. I have seen some variance here online and am guessing that at least some of that is due to calibration
Can any ZP6 owner share his experience with the grind setting? I read Lance is between 5-6, while others mention 3.5-4 (which in my case produces way too much astringency). I personally prefer 4.7 and hardly ever change the setting
I’m with you, right around 5 most of the time, and I do smaller doses (15-16g) most of the time. Worth noting that some of this will come down to calibration, especially fine variances in adjustment
How would it compare, say a DF64 gen 2 w/SSP MP (V2?) burrs in regards to filter? Thanks for all your content! Edit: I found your comment about it. I was hoping they would be comparable enough where I wouldn't want to try to get this. Hmmm. "I have a pair of MPV2s I put it up against and a pair of the brews in queue to season and test (I am hoping to do a 64mm burr lineup in the future). So while I can’t speak to the brews, yet, I found with the MPs that astringency could creep in a little easier, and overall I preferred the cups from the hand grinders. It’s possible grinder speed has some impact here with lower speeds producing more favourable results."
I have one and love it. Contrary to internet wisdom, it’s also great for Vienna roasts and immersion brews. I have JX at work but won’t use any other conical at home.
I have a zp6 and a df83 with ssp mp burrs. I actually prefer the zp6 as the flavors are a bit more integrated than ssp mp. For my taste, ssp mp definitely has more clarity but it is more prone to pull astringency. I feel sometimes ultra clarity brews lack balance and probably shouldn't be the #1 quality that everyone chases. Flavor integration is nice too sometimes.
What would you recommend for someone looking at either the ZP6 or K Ultra for hybrid or full immersion brews in the Hario switch? I personally find I enjoy the balance of using some immersion in my pour overs.
I've been in similar position, end up with k ultra. What do you prefer? Body, sweetness, complexity, good clarity but not the best, and can do espresso, the answer k ultra If u want clarity, and most of the time u buy expensive speciality coffee, and just do pour over or immersion, buy zp6. Clarity is great if you have excellent coffee bean, if u don't have, clarity is painful. Sorry about my grammar.
So the Fellow Ode 2 falls inbetween the ZP6 and Pietro prices and is electric. So how does that one compare to these two hand grinders? Is that a better choice?
Perfect review as always! How does the clarity compare to the Lagom Casa? I’m wondering whether I should get a ZP6 and J-Ultra-one for filter and one for espresso-or if I should go for an all-rounder like the Casa. I appreciate the ease of use with an electric grinder, but I don’t mind spending an extra minute if it means better results.
I find it hard to dial in for some reason but it can work well when it does. I would like the new handle in mine. One of my main gripes is how too heavy and prone to falling over is.
Great video, beautiful production too. Agree with all of your points and takeaways as I have many grinders as well. Did you try slow feeding the ZP6, hold it horizontal and take an extra minute to grind? I definitely notice good difference and easy to do whereas slow feeding the Pietro isn't. I wonder how much that would close the clarity gap between them? But definitely not the end all be all metric like you said.
I did try slow feeding and on an angle but still found a gap there. SOmeone did suggest grinding first on the coarsest setting and then grinding again on the final setting and removing chaff in between. I would like to try that in a blind test against the pietro. The pietro with bro brews does have a pretty slow feed with the way its designed.
I didn't think slow feeding actually was beneficial on the zp6. I tried with a few hand grinders and usually preferred the regular ground cups vs doing it on a silly angle.
@@BensCoffeeRants Blanket statements in coffee almost never work. All it provides is a different option, profile, and better or worse depends on a long list of factors that ultimately end up to different pallets of individuals. All I confirmed was holding at the silly angle results in a noticeable amount of difference in the cup.
@OC-MC_Joe yeah you're right. I didn't test it so much myself to be conclusive. I do notice benefit in slow feeding electric grinders though (less fines more flavour clarity).I had a friend who did more testing than me with tilting hand grinders and he seemed to conclude it benefited some lower end grinders that make more fines but didn't think it helped zp6 or commandante c40. Maybe I'll give it another try though.
To my taste so far, I get more separation from the handgrinders, although the 078 is a really great filter grinder. I have not yet done blind side by sides with the 078 (just got it!) but will be for my review!
Thanks for these reviews. At some point I hope you can recommend budget grinders for absolute beginners to this hobby, including the KINGrinder P2, various Timemore grinders and others. Some might start with even more affordable blade and ceramic coffee grinders -- but are these even worth considering? If only you would compare the results from good budget grinders, lesser budget grinders and suggest how the results compare to more pricier options.
Problem is what you hold ZP6 on horizontally and fiorehanzo vertically. In test horizontal holding made 3 times more dust that vertical holding of same grinder, this is why you lose to fiorehanzo in taste test. Gring normally, holding ZP6 as much vertically as you can and when compare it. Because now comparison is not fair
Ha! Every couple videos someone comes around to talk about lighting. Glad it's noticed! Thank you! I'm not sure I'll ever do a full video on this - who knows though! - but I use 2x Aputure Amaran 200x. The key light is just off to the right of the camera and with a light dome on it. The second light is off to the left almost adjacent to the counter and has a lantern on it. I use it as a combo rim/fill light on the subect (me/sarah) and background fill. Hope that helps!
Recently thought about upgrading my cheap hand grinder to either the Zp6 or Pietro and I think you might have just sold me on the Pietro, lol. I just hope I don't mind the workflow too much but I am looking for the highest clarity brew. One question though, is the Pietro more noisy? especially with it being on top on a counter/table. I just don't want to make too much noise since I am up very early most mornings.
I really wanted to try out the Pietro but the price was a dealbreaker for me, considering all the lack of QoL features, I ended up buyin a ZP6 that I use for light roasts and a chestnut nano for medium roasts. Hopefully I get to try the pietro when I travel to a bigger city and see if it convinces me, but I'm really happy with myt set up so far.
This is a great setup you should feel good about. Would the pietro take you further? Sure... a bit. But is it worth the huge jump in price? I think that answer is really dependent on the individual.
I have been waiting for this review since you put out the k-ultra…I think the k-ultra and this review of ZP6 are spot on. What are your thoughts on the x-ultra, it doesn’t seem to get as much love….not sure if it’s in your future review plans or not
I seem to be the only one, but I like workflow with Pietro very much after using it for a year. Like it even more than other hand grinders. Pressing the grinder against my belly allows for slow feeding and very pleasant grinding expierence for me
Can’t believe that you posted this a few days after I requested it! Thank you this is super helpful! This isn’t a super comparison but how does zp6 compare to mazzer philos 200d? I have a j ultra currently for espresso and looking for the next grinder for filter!
I find the ZP6 to be higher clarity cups for sure. Generally I find that when it comes to clarity its next to impossible to beat hand grinding. I have a lot of really great electric grinders with incredible burrs and I still prefer the cups from hand grinders.
Thank you so much! This is actually super interesting because I would have expected that bigger burrs (often in electric) has better clarity like the EK43! Maybe neither burr size or electric is relevant! Would definitely love some education on this topic!
Recommendations for a mid range hand grinder for pour over (mainly drink medium-light roasts)? Upgrading from my Timemore C2 but don’t want to spend the $400 CAD on the K ultra.
I LOVED your face when she said "it's sort of gingery" 😂 Great video! I made a post on r/pourover not so long ago about handgrinders, and owning both the q2 heptagonal and the zp6, i can say i ended up on the same conclusion as you. In my country, not all coffees are as high quality, so more often than not, say every 3 to 5 coffees, something is very off with the zp6, but works very well always with the q2. So its definetly a "second grinder" candidate, more than a "your only handgrinder" candidate definetly.
I'm kinda dumbfounded that a decent grinder costs $250. I mostly do pour over or use the single cup coffee maker at work. Right now I have a cheap electric blade grinder. It's not terrible, but I just want a more consistent grind with the flexibility to try new things without a lot of hassle. Looking at the 1Zpresso, I considered the J and the K-Ultra. Don't know if the latter will be better and easier to use? As far as flavor preference, I don't care for acidic or overly fruity. I prefer chocolatey and buttery. I use mostly medium or med-light roasts. Enjoy the Publix Kona Blend (I know, probably not a "great" coffee). I'm just getting into coffee but don't see myself geeking out too much. Also, I like a large cup of coffee so decent capacity is a must.
A Kingrinder might be a good experiment for less money. I haven’t tried the x series from 1z but that could be an option too. Coming from any blade grinder any decent hand grinder will be a huge improvement. The Ultras are really the top of the pile
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks for the recommendation. I got the KinGrinder K6 and wow, what a difference. Much cleaner but still full-flavored. Got it on discount on Amazon.
Hey, which setting do you use on Zp6? I had 1Zpresso JX-Pro for a few years, i like it a lot, and got myself Zp6 a few days ago. Trying to get used to its profile, traveling between 5 and 8, which is really weird, well, maybe because it's not enough seasoned yet. But only above 7 I can get a 12-15g V60 below 3 min brew time. Below 7 is always 3+ minutes. It arrived factory calibrated with burr lock at 0
I am usually around 4.5-5.5. One thing I have noticed is that when people discuss grind granges they can def be dependent on calibration. I use cafec filters in my v60, and don’t have issues with slow draw down.
I use a variety during testing but the one where I am live brewing was the UFO dripper. Review here! th-cam.com/video/A0RCxMsyDSY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mrKUhNaRKoZUFwwV
This is a hard one because it’s so dependent on your preferences. In some ways, yes. But the ZP6 is also less flattering overall than the K and more revealing. If it’s your only hand grinder, I would say you’ll have a more well rounded experience with the K. If you really are looking for a lot of clarity then the Z delivers. I put the K in a very similar zone to the Comandante C40 for reference. So while it’s not as “clear” as the Z it’s still an excellent filter grinder. Hope that helps!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thank u) 👍 Having all the grinders would you always choose Zp6 over K for filter or pour over? Or it depends on what flavour u want for today?
Is the q-air the same as q2? I have the q2 and I always prefer it over my timemore sculptor 078s for poir over. Seriously considering the pietro though
I would say less perceived sweetness for sure. I think the reality of whether or not there is actual measurably less sweetness is probably more complex, but this is how it presents to me
I have the first 1zpresso Z serious grinder (only available in Taiwan). And my experience with this grinder: Surprising me at the first glance, but after a while, I idle it in my cupboard. I think I am not a coffee drinker always wants super clarity in pour over.
I own both grinders and the ZP6 produces much better clarity with a lighter body. The Q2 is a wonderful little grinder though and it compliments the ZP6 perfectly.
I have a jmax, but I am looking for a dedicated filter grinder. I’m trying to decide between the kingrinder k6 and the zp6. I do like clarity but not all the time. Would the k6 be a step backwards from my jmax or a welcome compliment? Should I just go with the zp6?
I am working on getting both of these grinders to test, but general consensus seems to be the the k6 leans to pour over and the J to espresso, although they are both allrounders. If you wanted a really different experience you could grab a zp6 but you may. It prefer it all the time:)
@@DaddyGotCoffee in your opinion having used the zp6, is it truly only best when used with light roast coffee? I do prefer light roast, but I also drink a fair amount of medium, but still with a more fruity profile than chocolate and nuts.
@@_ssarine I would say it excels at higher quality coffees as opposed to just light roasts. You can have a bad light that tastes nasty on a zp6 and decent on other grinders - very revealing. Hope that helps!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks. One more follow up question since you’re the only one answering my questions that has experience with the zp6. So, it sounds like this is a grinder for very specific coffees/roasts. Am I better to consider other 1zpresso grinders that are good for mainly filter (again, I already own the j-max), such as the x-ultra or the kingrinder k6? My budget is $200. I do prefer the adjusting method of 1zpresso over the traditional bottom adjustment.
@@_ssarine My overall favourite from 1Zpresso is the K line. Its a really good all-rounder and generally flattering burr. I haven't tested the lower end K's but to my knowledge it's the same burr across the line. When people come asking for ONE all-around 1zpresso grinder, I almost always recommend the K. I have not tested the X. The Kingrinder K6 would be in a similar zone with a slightly different profile:)
Great video. Very fair and balanced imo. Cheers
Thanks dude! This was a fun one to shoot out and put together. Cheers!
@@DaddyGotCoffeei own a few model 1Zpresso grinders include JP6 three yrs ago, and i dont like their new folding handle design, its annoying 😅
Why do you only have 18k subs?? Thought you had way more man. This is top level content. 🙏🏻
Ah man thank you! Slow and steady! It’s been a great year and getting better all the time! I LOVE making reviews - the best help is of course a sub, watch and spread the word! I would love to cover literally every leading product, gotta dream big right??
Underrated moment was the purposefully vague commentary about a legal dispute with another grinder manufacturer to then flashing the comandante. Chefs kiss on the production magic there hahaha
I have no definitive info on the reason for the handle change aside from Internet forum rumours. And plenty of 1zpresso grinders still have “the” handle design 🤷♂️ I also think the C40 is an excellent grinder!
@@DaddyGotCoffee They must have changed this very recently. I bought a ZP6 Special from 1zpresso directly in May 2024 and it still had the rigid handle, the K-Ultra I bought almost exactly a year before that already had the bendable one
Kingrinder also had to change handle for European market. Allegedly because Comandante sued them. I have new straight handle on K6 instead of old curved one.
@@ph1ber ditto. My two month old ZP6 special has the rigid handle
it's a patent dispute that is a German market (and potentially EU) specific. the not to be named German hand grinder company holds a patent on the specific handle shape, which means that you can officially only buy 1zpresso grinders with the new handle shape.
After watcing again, I'm compelled to add a second comment! This review should honestly be pinned in the r/pourover sub.
The explanation of the pros and cons of 'high clarity' grinders, plus the direct comparison to two other frequently discussed ZP6 competitors makes this a very informative video for those getting deep into pour over.
I've owned the three grinders discussed here. I think your take is 100% spot on.
Man, thank you so much for this! I really love making these videos :)
With the encouragement of this video, I got a K-Ultra as my all-rounder grinder and I absolutely love it. Great body and complexity for French Press and mocha pot, but also really good clarity for pour-over. Fantastic range. One day I'll splurge and get a zp6 just for pour-over; but the K-Utra is a fantastic choice.
Huge fan of the ZP6, got one around the start of 2024 and it's been immensely helpful being a Roaster using it for QC / QA / Coffee profiling purposes. Great review! Glad I'm not the only one who thought Pietro has it's issues despite it being the "clarity god". Cheers! ~
Thats a great use-case for the ZP6 - glad you enjoyed!
I recently bought this grinder one week ago, upgrading from timemore C3. As someone who drinks light to medium roast, i agree. This zp6 won't be my only grinder for pourover. Sometimes you want to experience more blended taste.
Absolutely!
I think you can try 2 or 3 grind size setting.
Try using a blend of sizes. I do this with mine and results are amazing. Just grind half the beans at your target setting and the other half a couple clicks finer. And that's it. People often compares the ZP6 with flat burrs in a way it produces a very clean cup, which surely does, only in a slightly different way. Over a certain threshold, there's no better or worse grinder; just ones that suit your preferences better. Given PSD is so important, you should find something that works well with the coffees you regularly use.
ZP6 is fantastic and can't be any happier with it. The more I use it the more I love it. If you're really into coffee making, you'll certainly find the best way to adjust your tools. No magic, no rocket science. Coffee is an art in the end. It's the artisan who finds new ways to explore and achieve wonderful crafts!
Subbed. I had the same choice to make between the ZP6 and Pietro. Chose the ZP6 + J-Ultra because combined they were cheaper than the Pietro. Also got them from Rogue Wave!
Yeah that’s a solid combo for sure. Love Rogue Wave!
Another Zp6s user here. Tq u for the anticipated review. I pick zp6s anyday and everyday for my cup of joe 🤩
Have the ZP6.
Love it.
The end
Ha! Thank you!
Agree overall with your takes! I also have both the ZP6 and Pietro with Pro Brew burrs. Despite all its flaws, the cup quality of the Pietro just keeps pulling me back. ZP6 is great as well though. Definitely a great time to be a hand grinder enthusiast.
I am with you on this!
Thanks for sharing this video with us... I have the Zp6 and love it. I'm now seriously considering the purchase of a K Ultra after watching.
If you end up with one let me know how you like it!
I use my zp6 most days. I have a k ultra as well. Love this review
Great setup right there. Thank you!
I have a k ultra and comandante. Worth getting a zp6 also? How do the zp6 and k ultra compare?
@@chriswalzer some people say c40 commandante and k series taste the same but I hear they're actually pretty different recently. What do you think having both?
I had a k plus previously never compared much with zp6 though but like coffee daddy says they're both good zp6 is a bit juicier and higher clarity k series seems more traditional but still good pretty high clarity.
@BensCoffeeRants - I would second that while in a very similar zone, there are some differences between the C40 and K-Ultra that aren't often discussed. I have a C40 vid coming up and I'm going to dive into this a little more.
I bought the ZP6 about a month ago, and it turned out to be the best investment I've ever made related to coffee. I only brew light roasts for myself, so no surprises there. Will still keep my Ode gen 2 though, but only because I brew slightly more developed coffees for my friends and guests. Great review!
Sounds like you’re in the sweet spot! Thank you!!
how does these 2 grinders compare? I have had the two on my wish list for quite some time and can't decide which one would be better for my pour-overs
Cant agree more, Everything is perfectly explained. I have pietro, zp6, electric a4z (a4z), kultra and c40 but my goto cups for 90+ grade coffees is Pietro. Just the flavor separation is insane.
With you on this!
Il start off saying great video. I been enjoying all your coffee content! Love grinder comparions.
I own a k-ultra and couldn't be happier with the pour over brews. I brew light and fruity clarity 8/10 times with the occasional medium roast traditional cup. I dont even have to try or think about it and the coffee comes out amazing every time. I Just purchased a bambino for espresso and the k-ultras performs incredibly as well.
I always considered buying a zp6 as my second grinder to have clarity cups but k-ultra tastes so good to me i dont even think i want a second grinder anymore.
Yeah the K is just such an all around workhourse that genuinely excels across the board. It may not be as high of clarity as the ZP6 but is a very clear profile in its own right.
Kingrinder K6 is my first manual grinder, coming from Encore ESP which I think it's excellent, but the K6 for me as a beginner, is incredibly sublime for clarity at course setting (100 clicks from true zero). Tea like weak body, but incredible complex flavor layout, it's something I've never tasted before specially the light roasts but also the medium ones. I used to like more body but with this the flavor elegance trumps body strength. Now I'm wondering and very curious if getting the ZP6 would be worth it, noticeable better?
Amazing video. Love what’s you’ve chosen to highlight and talk about. My first coffee grinder was the K Ultra. Love it. Works well for everything and makes delicious cups of coffee. I have considered the fiorenzato but decided against it and to just purchase a dedicated 64mm Zerno just for filter use, because I found myself enjoying exploring what different coffee’s can do for me.
Thank you so much! Yup the Z1 is a wicked grinder for sure
It's time to review a Kinu with the pour-over burrs in it!
Agreed, would love to see that
👀👀👀👀 Working on this!
Ooh interesting alright. I’ve got a hu Zerno for all of my day to day and a kinu phoenix for travel. Was thinking the zp6 would cover me for the light roast / filter area but maybe the kinu pour over burrs are similar anyway?
Kinu M47 Pheonix with pour over burr and magnetic catch cup is my daily. Love it. Just ordered a ZP6 about 5 minutes ago.
Love the content coming from this channel lately.
Keep up the great work!
I plan to keep it coming! Thanks again for your other comment too:)
Excellent review on a grinder I’ve owned for a few months now. It was a real game changer over the 1ZPresso J-Max as far as pour over goes.
Absolutely - very different profiles! Glad you are enjoying it!
You must to try the Kingrinder K6, truly amazing one …
It's on my list!
The K6 is nice.
The MHW-3Bomber R3 is also really nice for the price.
I would like to see a review of them to know what you think.
Perhaps your best video. You've convinced me to subscribe.
🥳 Welcome to the party! ☕️ Requests always welcome
This will be my next purchase as you said, it will be used for my special coffees.
It’s definitely a unique brew. I am sure you will enjoy!
Having the ZP6 since it was re-released a year or so ago, I learned that having a grinder with a contrasting profile is almost a must. A yin and yang kind of approach.
At some point, I missed the juicy, complex brews out of my C40. Not to mention, the Comandante is a more forgiving grinder overall towards a variety of origins and roasting styles.
Eventually you just get to a point where you keep several on hand to go with your mood at that moment 🤣
I got myself a Femobook A4z recently, it’s utilized with the zp6 burr. Absolutely amazing!!
I can't wait to try this grinder. I've got an A68 on deck!
This video actually pushed me towards the Pietro - wife has been asking me to pick a birthday gift under $500 and I wanted a high clarity hand grinder to complement/contrast my C40. Think I can deal with the bad workflow since it's not my only grinder.
I was inspired by this and the momentum vid, and as a Zp6 owner I had to try the following:
Grinder Zeroed at 3 click before 0.
Same coffee (10g)
On a negotiated orea v3 & kalita wave filters.
Same recipe.
Clicks are calculated from 0 (not the 3 before).
For the pour 1 I went as far open as the grinder would allow (45clicks on the second rotation), and then ground again at my normal test setting (at 55 clicks).
For pour 2, I went with my normal tesr setting.
Cup 1 was noticeable "cleaner" in its taste, while cup 2 was slightly more astringent.
That being said the difference was only noticeable when tasted side by side & I don't know if double grinding my coffee is something I'll do on the daily.
I'd love a deep dive into double grinding though. I think there's a discussion to be had on how this could change the value of low/mid range grinders.
I'd also love your thoughts on how much closer it brings the cup to the tatse of the pietro, if at all!
On a side note, grinding coffee straight from the freezer makes a much larger difference then the double grind.
You're not the first person to mention 2 stage grinding when it comes to the zp6 - I may need to do a video on this in the future
@@DaddyGotCoffee i would watch it :)
🥰 We have Pietro in our cabin, have to buy one more for home 😆
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Very good review in a rapidly evolving market. How about the new Timemore S3? Supposed to be two steps up from their C2 and one from C3 with upgraded burr and tighter tolerances. Just a thought: perhaps the idea of one hand grinder for both pour over and espresso could be a chimera. Very different type of grinder needed for either, I suspect. I’m exclusively a pour over guy and use an old LIDO OE grinder that in its day was top-shelf. Probably no longer! 😊
It's been a while since I had the K series but I remember it being pretty high clarity too but it is q bit more traditional profile and versatile as you say. Wouldn't say its low clarity for light roasts though which some people may have inferred.
Glad you mentioned that higher clarity profile may not be what everyone really wants thats true or you may not want it all the time for every type of coffee.
If your coffee has flaws or is bad coffee it makes it worse generally lol.
My coffee set up has a lower clarity / higher body more traditional option, I want that at least for espreeso sometimes for pourovers I'm usually going to want a higher clarity one since I'm usually doing it with a fancy light roast.
Agreed! The K series offers good clarity while balancing sweetness and structure! It’s just that the ZP6 is even higher clarity. Thanks for writing:)
I bought a Pietro, hated it because of the workflow and returned it. I purchased a ZP6 grinder, which I find to be the perfect hand grinder for filter. I still prefer my P64 with SSP MP, but the ZP6 is really not far behind. For the price, it's crazy to think it produces such a great filter coffee for 2000$ less than my P64.
It really is crazy. Fantastic grinder.
i have the pietro and was considering zp6 for portability and flexibility because i love xbloom burrs but now k ultra is maybe my next target … very interesting thanks ♡ cheers ☕️
I really, really like the K's. Fantastic, flexible and flattering across the board. The ZP6 is not always so.
K ultra, moreso than other K’s ?
I would absolutely love a video on some cheaper hand grinders, as someone with a niche zero and a Zerno with HU burrs coming in the post, I really want to get into filter coffee, but don't wanna spend a fortune on a filter capable Grinder, and may as well get a hand grinder for the cost of another burr set without the inconvenience of having to constantly switch them out every time I want to go between espresso and filter.
I do love my ZP6, but which other hand grinder gives a profile that is the opposite to ZP6.
Thank you for doing this.
Opposite is tricky and subjective. I havent tested one but as far as 1zpressos line I would say the J series.
Awesome review! Could you make a video also about how do you form your recipies/pouring methods with the zp6? Since we are quite many using the it, I think it would be useful to have a video with some pro tips from someone who knows it in and out.
I am really always changing this around, but generally it's almost always a pulse pour recipe. Hoffmans 1-cup v60 recipe (A Better 1 Cup Recipe) is a great starting point. I go for a slightly longer bloom and mess with the temperature depending on the bean. I do have a Deep27 and UFO review posted recently if you use either of those that have a recipe too.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks a lot!!
I yearned for a ZP6 but I found a really good deal on a Cafesing Orca and honestly the clarity I get from that feels miles above most other hand grinders I’ve used, plus I can use the second set of burrs for espresso. I wouldn’t want to pay the full $240 for it, but it hasn’t left me wanting more!
What type of roast level do you usually use with it (for filter)?
@@davidlogan2682 light but not quite nordic
@@davidlogan2682 light but not like nordic
I bought these grinder after owning the comandante and using it on a daily basis since 2020.
I wanted to love this grinder more than my comandante, but so far it hasn't been the case, I'm still experimenting with it so my mind might change on it
when calibrating the grinder to find 0, it seemed impossible because the handle locks up in certain places on the handlespin, but other places it's loose, making me thing it's not aligned,
I contacted 1zpresso with a video of it and they say it's not faulty,
I have made really good brews with it, but when comparing head to head to the comandante I've been favoring comandante (so far at least)
maybe years of seasoning the burrs with the comandante, Maybe I've adjusted my brew method and perfectly dialed in the grind setting on the comandante
What I don't like about the 1zpresso is to have to calibrate it everytime I clean it, especially since calibrating it seems like an inconsistant task because I don't really know what 0 is supposed to be because it locks up in different places depending on where the handle is facing
Interesting. I haven't had these alignment issues but I will say, I agree that the C40 produces a generally more flattering and favorable cup.
Very tempted to get the ZP6.
I currently use a JX-Pro but for light roast pour overs it’s just too bitter and muddled
I got an 1zpresso K Ultra as well as the ZP6. The Ultra is superior in terms if usability. It grinds more than twice as fast, has the magnetic catch cup and is also capable of espresso.
So you might think, jack of all trades master of none.
But overall, I was surprised how well the Ultra performed compared with the "holy grail" ZP6. It comes across more "juicy" and fruity, but it is a bit more blended and less crisp. That said, I am not sure if it is worth having both, as the Ultra is by no means just "capable" of filter, it is a real pleasure.
The difference to the ZP6 is there, but surprisingly subtle overall. We are talking of the last percents. And they both outperform the Comandante in like every aspect.
Btw, great review as always, shoutout to your significant other as well, relatable and charming- really helps putting your opinion into perspektive
Thank you so much! And agreed here - the K-Ultra is an incredible grinder. Sometimes I think when people hear that the ZP6 is clearer they infer that the K-Ultra is muddy or overly complex. It’s not. The way you’ve described it as juicy really perfectly describes its vibe. It’s a “big” cup in a good way and full of flavor. Fantastic grinder and probably my current overall fave from the 1zpresso line.
Personally my biggest issue with the K-Ultra was that while it's technically capable of espresso, I often had the issue that even 1 click was changing brew times a lot. Obviously you could then try to change other variables to achieve the best taste, but at least for light roasts it was kind of frustrating. I actually switched to ZP6 for pour over and J-Ultra for espresso.
@@ph1ber yes, I heard that a lot. I only use manual levers, so I adjust on the fly automatically, most of the times without noticing it too much.
@@dabougi8063 I've noticed on my friends zp6 vs my own his has a slow feeding issue where the burrs don't grab the beans effectively. I made a video demonstrating but never posted it due to myself being in the video lol. His took twice the amount of turns to grind and about 2x as long ( it's also slightly easier to crank) but especially frustrating towards end of grinding where last few bean fragments just popcorn a while. My Zp6 is pretty quick.
@@BensCoffeeRantsmy zp6 works exactly as your friends one does. It is slow, but so is f.e. the comandante, and for filter I have no problem with that. I like the process and I am still faster than the water is heating up. The last popcorning is a bit annoying- strange that you do not experience this yourself.
Anyhow, the contrast to the Ultra is massive, even for my 16g Espresso Grounds I am done in about 20-25sec, you really feel how the beens get "sucked in". I knew this f.e. from my espresso focused BPlus Apollo (which I never tried for filter).
So I was surprised, that the Ultra gives you great filter cups even with the kind of aggressive burr geometry
I have a question: How would this compare with the Kinu m47 with POB burrs ?
I wish my ZP6 would be magnetic. I also have a grinder with 54mm flat Ditting burrs, aka mini SSP mini, and sometimes I prefer that.
How wild would a ZP6 Ultra be?!
Which 54mm grinder?
@@davidlogan2682 Baratza Vario W+
For kultra what’s best numbers to use for light to medium and dark pour overs ?
Some reason I love using the Pietro, I find it fun to use
Bless you
I have Kpro and ZP6 special. Kpro is sweeter and juicier. ZP6 definitely clearer and refined. With ZP6 i can push extraction even harder and still get well balanced cups which is surprising. I'd say that for most medium roasts K series do better. For light roasts ZP6 is still BETTER.
In Europe you can get the Pietro for 269 € and the ZP6 only as a direct import form 1Zpresso, so after Taxes and Shipping they cost around the same.
This is a great point. In North America Pietro prices are wild
3:02 there's always that one particular bean in almost every brew
Try a ZP6 espresso. It's actually really vibrant. Smaller diameter baskets work better
If you were given the choice to pick one or the other, zp6 or pietro, for the same price, which would you choose? Or better yet, which is the better choice for someone who would like to upgrade from baratza sette 30 to something more “high end”
how a bout a sifted K-Ultra vs the ZP6?
Well done. So before watching, I was on the fence about ZP6, K Ultra, or Kinu M47 (with both burrs included). My current setup is Timemore C2, & an upgrade will give me an elevated experience (whether that’s “well-rounded” or with greater clarity). My guess is that I will clearly find separation and clarity with ZP6 or Kinu with the pourover burr. My wondering is if there is more bang for the buck with both burrs included w/ Kinu, and that my new daily grinder will work with most light to medium roasts (clean or funky) for a working dad who makes one big cup and has to get moving in the morning 😅
I am working on getting my hands on some Kinu grinders to help answer this question!
Thanks for this review, I'm always relying on your honest reviews to get the true and real answers. Please keep it on.
A question please, if I used any other grinder such as 1zpresso kplus or ode fellow gen2 then used a coffee sifter to remove fines, does that give me the same clarity results as of from zp6? Because if the answer is yes, then I believe I don't need to buy zp6, right?
Sifters do def help and will improve clarity - they're not without their issues though. COffee particles are not perfect spheres, often they are more shard like. So some fines can make it through the sieve while other don't even if they are the same size/weight. Also, consistency in sieving is more difficult depending on your time/method of shaking. Lastly, since sieving technically removes part of the dose, dosing accurately can be more finicky. It can improve clarity, but a lot of a brews character comes from the shape of grounds a specific burr produces, not just the particle size distribution. But it would get you closer for sure!
I have the JX and this just makes me buy the ZP6 Impusively. 😅
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Where did you get that awesome double layer cup
Its from kruve and I love it!
You mentioned that you don't always want the clarity that the ZP6S gives. Why or when would you not want that?
Sometimes it’s just a mood thing, I’m looking for more juiciness and “big” factor in a cup. Other times I find the makeup of a coffee doesn’t lend itself well to that level of flavor clarity/separation for a variety of reasons. Like, a lemongrass note that may come across almost candied with a more blended profile can sometimes get highlighted in a more individual and less flattering way on the ZP6/Pietro. It’s highly dependent on the coffee in cases like this and really varies when it comes to flavor expression. Just my experience!
Interesting! I’m kind of torn between zp6 and k ultra, i prefer the price of the zp6… do you think that i could get more sweetness and body from this grinder by finer setings? Thanks for good video:)
What grind setting range do you tend to use?
Typically I’m 4.5-5.5 unless I’m in an edge case type brew situation like a low dose brew with a deep27 or something. I have seen some variance here online and am guessing that at least some of that is due to calibration
Can any ZP6 owner share his experience with the grind setting? I read Lance is between 5-6, while others mention 3.5-4 (which in my case produces way too much astringency). I personally prefer 4.7 and hardly ever change the setting
I’m with you, right around 5 most of the time, and I do smaller doses (15-16g) most of the time. Worth noting that some of this will come down to calibration, especially fine variances in adjustment
How would it compare, say a DF64 gen 2 w/SSP MP (V2?) burrs in regards to filter? Thanks for all your content!
Edit: I found your comment about it. I was hoping they would be comparable enough where I wouldn't want to try to get this. Hmmm. "I have a pair of MPV2s I put it up against and a pair of the brews in queue to season and test (I am hoping to do a 64mm burr lineup in the future). So while I can’t speak to the brews, yet, I found with the MPs that astringency could creep in a little easier, and overall I preferred the cups from the hand grinders. It’s possible grinder speed has some impact here with lower speeds producing more favourable results."
Yup. My MPs are blind so I haven’t put them in the df64, but I expect the result would be the same or more exaggerated.
I have one and love it. Contrary to internet wisdom, it’s also great for Vienna roasts and immersion brews. I have JX at work but won’t use any other conical at home.
I have had great luck with immersion brews as well
I have a zp6 and a df83 with ssp mp burrs. I actually prefer the zp6 as the flavors are a bit more integrated than ssp mp. For my taste, ssp mp definitely has more clarity but it is more prone to pull astringency. I feel sometimes ultra clarity brews lack balance and probably shouldn't be the #1 quality that everyone chases. Flavor integration is nice too sometimes.
What would you recommend for someone looking at either the ZP6 or K Ultra for hybrid or full immersion brews in the Hario switch? I personally find I enjoy the balance of using some immersion in my pour overs.
I've been in similar position, end up with k ultra.
What do you prefer? Body, sweetness, complexity, good clarity but not the best, and can do espresso, the answer k ultra
If u want clarity, and most of the time u buy expensive speciality coffee, and just do pour over or immersion, buy zp6.
Clarity is great if you have excellent coffee bean, if u don't have, clarity is painful.
Sorry about my grammar.
I have a lido et, the burrs look so similar. I would love to hear if they are comparable.
I really should grab a couple OE grinders!
So the Fellow Ode 2 falls inbetween the ZP6 and Pietro prices and is electric. So how does that one compare to these two hand grinders? Is that a better choice?
Personally, while I do like the ode I find the clarity to be less than either of the hand grinders, if that is what you are after!
You'll want the ssp MP or Brew burrs in the ode for it to be competitive with these.
Perfect review as always!
How does the clarity compare to the Lagom Casa? I’m wondering whether I should get a ZP6 and J-Ultra-one for filter and one for espresso-or if I should go for an all-rounder like the Casa. I appreciate the ease of use with an electric grinder, but I don’t mind spending an extra minute if it means better results.
I put the Casa a little closer to the K series. Definitely fuller than a ZP6/Pietro, but more acidity forward than a C40. Hope that helps!
I find it hard to dial in for some reason but it can work well when it does.
I would like the new handle in mine. One of my main gripes is how too heavy and prone to falling over is.
The new handle is really nice. I'm generally between 4.5 and 5.5 for most brews with the way I calibrate.
I couldn’t decide… Now I own a ZP6 and a Pietro 🎉
Im thinking about the pietro, I might wait for a sale tho because its just gonna be my travel grinder
Great video, beautiful production too. Agree with all of your points and takeaways as I have many grinders as well.
Did you try slow feeding the ZP6, hold it horizontal and take an extra minute to grind? I definitely notice good difference and easy to do whereas slow feeding the Pietro isn't. I wonder how much that would close the clarity gap between them? But definitely not the end all be all metric like you said.
I did try slow feeding and on an angle but still found a gap there. SOmeone did suggest grinding first on the coarsest setting and then grinding again on the final setting and removing chaff in between. I would like to try that in a blind test against the pietro. The pietro with bro brews does have a pretty slow feed with the way its designed.
@@DaddyGotCoffeethanks!
I didn't think slow feeding actually was beneficial on the zp6. I tried with a few hand grinders and usually preferred the regular ground cups vs doing it on a silly angle.
@@BensCoffeeRants Blanket statements in coffee almost never work. All it provides is a different option, profile, and better or worse depends on a long list of factors that ultimately end up to different pallets of individuals. All I confirmed was holding at the silly angle results in a noticeable amount of difference in the cup.
@OC-MC_Joe yeah you're right. I didn't test it so much myself to be conclusive. I do notice benefit in slow feeding electric grinders though (less fines more flavour clarity).I had a friend who did more testing than me with tilting hand grinders and he seemed to conclude it benefited some lower end grinders that make more fines but didn't think it helped zp6 or commandante c40. Maybe I'll give it another try though.
How would you compare zp6/pietro with timemore 078?
To my taste so far, I get more separation from the handgrinders, although the 078 is a really great filter grinder. I have not yet done blind side by sides with the 078 (just got it!) but will be for my review!
See new Timemore 064s.
@@DaddyGotCoffee awesome, thanks! Excited to see some 078 content.
Yes!!! I’ve been saving up for an 078 but so curious about the comparison between that and the Pietro
Need a recommendation for a $100 grinder for pour over.
I’d suggest the 1zpresso q series. If they are too much, Kingrinder and Timemore both have some good options
@DaddyGotCoffee thanks. Considering a timemore grinder for my needs
Thanks for these reviews. At some point I hope you can recommend budget grinders for absolute beginners to this hobby, including the KINGrinder P2, various Timemore grinders and others. Some might start with even more affordable blade and ceramic coffee grinders -- but are these even worth considering? If only you would compare the results from good budget grinders, lesser budget grinders and suggest how the results compare to more pricier options.
I just got an 1zpresso Q-Air in as well and it is SHOCKING. Def give it a look. I can’t bring myself to recc a blade grinder unfortunately 😂
Problem is what you hold ZP6 on horizontally and fiorehanzo vertically. In test horizontal holding made 3 times more dust that vertical holding of same grinder, this is why you lose to fiorehanzo in taste test. Gring normally, holding ZP6 as much vertically as you can and when compare it.
Because now comparison is not fair
I agree with your observation of how he was holding the grinder.
@Xorg462 thank you!
this is a good review and all but I feel compelled to compliment your lighting setup. I'd watch a video about your filming setup lol.
Ha! Every couple videos someone comes around to talk about lighting. Glad it's noticed! Thank you!
I'm not sure I'll ever do a full video on this - who knows though! - but I use 2x Aputure Amaran 200x. The key light is just off to the right of the camera and with a light dome on it. The second light is off to the left almost adjacent to the counter and has a lantern on it. I use it as a combo rim/fill light on the subect (me/sarah) and background fill. Hope that helps!
Recently thought about upgrading my cheap hand grinder to either the Zp6 or Pietro and I think you might have just sold me on the Pietro, lol. I just hope I don't mind the workflow too much but I am looking for the highest clarity brew. One question though, is the Pietro more noisy? especially with it being on top on a counter/table. I just don't want to make too much noise since I am up very early most mornings.
How does the Mazzer Omega Hand Grinder compare?
I have not used this grinder yet! It’s on the list!
I really wanted to try out the Pietro but the price was a dealbreaker for me, considering all the lack of QoL features, I ended up buyin a ZP6 that I use for light roasts and a chestnut nano for medium roasts. Hopefully I get to try the pietro when I travel to a bigger city and see if it convinces me, but I'm really happy with myt set up so far.
This is a great setup you should feel good about. Would the pietro take you further? Sure... a bit. But is it worth the huge jump in price? I think that answer is really dependent on the individual.
I have been waiting for this review since you put out the k-ultra…I think the k-ultra and this review of ZP6 are spot on. What are your thoughts on the x-ultra, it doesn’t seem to get as much love….not sure if it’s in your future review plans or not
I haven’t used this series yet but I should put it on the list
I seem to be the only one, but I like workflow with Pietro very much after using it for a year. Like it even more than other hand grinders. Pressing the grinder against my belly allows for slow feeding and very pleasant grinding expierence for me
@@fabilemusic9992 Pietro for me is just too big, too bulky and just to darn expensive
Can’t believe that you posted this a few days after I requested it! Thank you this is super helpful! This isn’t a super comparison but how does zp6 compare to mazzer philos 200d?
I have a j ultra currently for espresso and looking for the next grinder for filter!
I find the ZP6 to be higher clarity cups for sure. Generally I find that when it comes to clarity its next to impossible to beat hand grinding. I have a lot of really great electric grinders with incredible burrs and I still prefer the cups from hand grinders.
Thank you so much! This is actually super interesting because I would have expected that bigger burrs (often in electric) has better clarity like the EK43! Maybe neither burr size or electric is relevant! Would definitely love some education on this topic!
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New Timemore C3esp for 47$ its a good choise?
thank you
Great video!
Thank you!
Recommendations for a mid range hand grinder for pour over (mainly drink medium-light roasts)? Upgrading from my Timemore C2 but don’t want to spend the $400 CAD on the K ultra.
I LOVED your face when she said "it's sort of gingery" 😂
Great video! I made a post on r/pourover not so long ago about handgrinders, and owning both the q2 heptagonal and the zp6, i can say i ended up on the same conclusion as you. In my country, not all coffees are as high quality, so more often than not, say every 3 to 5 coffees, something is very off with the zp6, but works very well always with the q2. So its definetly a "second grinder" candidate, more than a "your only handgrinder" candidate definetly.
Ha! She nailed it! The Q is definitely on my list.
I'm kinda dumbfounded that a decent grinder costs $250. I mostly do pour over or use the single cup coffee maker at work. Right now I have a cheap electric blade grinder. It's not terrible, but I just want a more consistent grind with the flexibility to try new things without a lot of hassle. Looking at the 1Zpresso, I considered the J and the K-Ultra. Don't know if the latter will be better and easier to use? As far as flavor preference, I don't care for acidic or overly fruity. I prefer chocolatey and buttery. I use mostly medium or med-light roasts. Enjoy the Publix Kona Blend (I know, probably not a "great" coffee). I'm just getting into coffee but don't see myself geeking out too much. Also, I like a large cup of coffee so decent capacity is a must.
A Kingrinder might be a good experiment for less money. I haven’t tried the x series from 1z but that could be an option too. Coming from any blade grinder any decent hand grinder will be a huge improvement. The Ultras are really the top of the pile
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks for the recommendation. I got the KinGrinder K6 and wow, what a difference. Much cleaner but still full-flavored. Got it on discount on Amazon.
Anyway, get a Kingrinder 6. $90, does fine.
Hey, which setting do you use on Zp6? I had 1Zpresso JX-Pro for a few years, i like it a lot, and got myself Zp6 a few days ago. Trying to get used to its profile, traveling between 5 and 8, which is really weird, well, maybe because it's not enough seasoned yet. But only above 7 I can get a 12-15g V60 below 3 min brew time. Below 7 is always 3+ minutes. It arrived factory calibrated with burr lock at 0
I am usually around 4.5-5.5. One thing I have noticed is that when people discuss grind granges they can def be dependent on calibration. I use cafec filters in my v60, and don’t have issues with slow draw down.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks! Really nice video!
Thank you!
I’m at 5.5 to 6.5 for immersion brewing, fwiw. V60 was lower but I don’t remember, I mostly drink immersion.
‘She’s good." :) You’re both great!
Really curious about what brewer was used
I use a variety during testing but the one where I am live brewing was the UFO dripper. Review here! th-cam.com/video/A0RCxMsyDSY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mrKUhNaRKoZUFwwV
Still choosing between K-Ultra and Zp6) Would I miss a lot if go after K-Ultra for filter and Pour Over only?
This is a hard one because it’s so dependent on your preferences. In some ways, yes. But the ZP6 is also less flattering overall than the K and more revealing. If it’s your only hand grinder, I would say you’ll have a more well rounded experience with the K. If you really are looking for a lot of clarity then the Z delivers.
I put the K in a very similar zone to the Comandante C40 for reference. So while it’s not as “clear” as the Z it’s still an excellent filter grinder. Hope that helps!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thank u) 👍
Having all the grinders would you always choose Zp6 over K for filter or pour over? Or it depends on what flavour u want for today?
Yes, it definitely depends for me!
I’m new(er). Wanted a commendente because it’s the gold standard. But more grinding speed. Hence why I bought the K-ultra.
what would you recommend for 100 euro for pour over mostly?
I have been SHOCKED by the Q-Air. The current Q uses the same burr. Incredible value at the price
Is the q-air the same as q2? I have the q2 and I always prefer it over my timemore sculptor 078s for poir over. Seriously considering the pietro though
Am I right in saying the zp6 gives a less sweet cup? Or is it just as sweet or perhaps just depends on the coffee?
I would say less perceived sweetness for sure. I think the reality of whether or not there is actual measurably less sweetness is probably more complex, but this is how it presents to me
@@DaddyGotCoffee thank you daddy
I love my K Ultra. But where did you get that fancy coffee cup!?
Its from Kruve!
Have you tried using it for AeroPress? If so, what was your experience like?
I bounce between the k ultra and zp6 depending on how the beans develop their flavors after the roast.
It's a great combo.
With this combo there’s not a lot of areas where you’re left wanting for sure. Great setup!
I Have it and like it but it does not best my EK43 with SSP knifes. That would almost be a hard ask
Maybe it's the ikea effect, but the Pietro must be good if you're willing to go through such a difficult workflow for the flavour.
This dynamic drives me crazy!
Now ZP6 vs Sculptor 078
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I have the first 1zpresso Z serious grinder (only available in Taiwan). And my experience with this grinder:
Surprising me at the first glance, but after a while, I idle it in my cupboard.
I think I am not a coffee drinker always wants super clarity in pour over.
Yup totally - its not for everyone for sure.
how does it stack against Q2?
I own both grinders and the ZP6 produces much better clarity with a lighter body. The Q2 is a wonderful little grinder though and it compliments the ZP6 perfectly.
Bought my Pietro new for 255€ in Germany. Its worth looking for deals.
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I have a jmax, but I am looking for a dedicated filter grinder. I’m trying to decide between the kingrinder k6 and the zp6. I do like clarity but not all the time. Would the k6 be a step backwards from my jmax or a welcome compliment? Should I just go with the zp6?
I am working on getting both of these grinders to test, but general consensus seems to be the the k6 leans to pour over and the J to espresso, although they are both allrounders. If you wanted a really different experience you could grab a zp6 but you may. It prefer it all the time:)
@@DaddyGotCoffee in your opinion having used the zp6, is it truly only best when used with light roast coffee? I do prefer light roast, but I also drink a fair amount of medium, but still with a more fruity profile than chocolate and nuts.
@@_ssarine I would say it excels at higher quality coffees as opposed to just light roasts. You can have a bad light that tastes nasty on a zp6 and decent on other grinders - very revealing. Hope that helps!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks. One more follow up question since you’re the only one answering my questions that has experience with the zp6. So, it sounds like this is a grinder for very specific coffees/roasts. Am I better to consider other 1zpresso grinders that are good for mainly filter (again, I already own the j-max), such as the x-ultra or the kingrinder k6? My budget is $200. I do prefer the adjusting method of 1zpresso over the traditional bottom adjustment.
@@_ssarine My overall favourite from 1Zpresso is the K line. Its a really good all-rounder and generally flattering burr. I haven't tested the lower end K's but to my knowledge it's the same burr across the line. When people come asking for ONE all-around 1zpresso grinder, I almost always recommend the K. I have not tested the X. The Kingrinder K6 would be in a similar zone with a slightly different profile:)
Man those cups are cool what are they?
They are from Kruve! Great cups