I HELPED MAKE THIS: Pietro 58 Review
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TIME CUES:
0:00- Introduction
0:45- Disclaimer
1:35- Overview
4:40- Disassembly, Mods, Burrs
8:45- Squarespace Sponsor
9:45- Alignment
11:15- Retention
11:57- Funnel
13:31- Filter Blind Test
17:00- Espresso Blind Test
18:12- My Involvement
22:20- Why I Won't Make More Pietro Videos
22:57- Flavor Profile
24:21- Conclusion
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Again, there is obvious implicit bias here. I will always clearly articulate when that is the case. But with the PSDs, multiple blind and double blind tastings with colleagues, etc, I tried my best to be as objective as is possible. I want to reiterate what I have stated in the caption above- this by no means is a financial necessity on my part. I work full time in an incredible job with Onyx Coffee Lab as a wholesaler of roasted coffee. This is where my food comes from. I do NOT rely on TH-cam or on any project like this. All these little ventures I do go directly to my channel. For what it's worth. Hope you enjoy the video!
Can’t be any more explicit than having it right there in the title. Your honesty and deep technical knowledge are second to none. Keep it up man happy friday!
thank you so much! Appreciate the kind words and support
Hey Lance, I'm a new coffee enthusiast who is looking to upgrade my breville grinder. With so many options , an the niche being everyone's 1st choice, I'm having a hard time choosing. And I'm looking for it to be use for espresso mainly. Also I saw the 078s sculptor and as of right now it's my 1st choice. What do you think? Max budget $750
Also, I will be upgrading my espresso machine, but it's much easier & faster to buy a $750 grinder compared to a $3000 espresso machine .😅
*update* I'll go $1k for a grinder if it can be justified. Reliability, quality of grind, NO stalling, and style points. And being put in a position that I would not need to upgrade. Or feel wanting more.
I am a blind content creator .
Maybe you didn’t think about blind people when making the manual grinder, but it was indeed suitable for me as a blind person. I really liked it after trying it at a coffee shop and decided to buy it immediately. The ease of accessing the control knob and the clicking sounds helped me measure the grind settings accurately without relying on sight. Also, the stability of the grinder on the table made it difficult to accidentally knock it over. Even the ease of removing my grinder burrs for cleaning, all these things helped me as a blind person to accomplish the details of making my coffee in an easier way. Perhaps they are simple details, but for blind individuals, they mean a lot.
Thank you for everything you have done, and thanks for keep helping me in my journey to learn how to make the best coffee cup 🙏
Thanks for this, Lance. The timing is perfect as I'm competing with Pietro tomorrow. Great to get to know this grinder in detail before going on stage. I appreciate your objective mindset when reviewing this. Also, salutes to you folks in the studio as the editing game keeps getting better every time.
oh wow! That's incredible! Hope it goes well, bud!
This is INCREDIBLE! Good work Lance and everyone at Pietro for pushing the envelope on what hand grinders are (and what everyone thinks they are) capable of.
thank you! Excited about the burr set, for sure.
Win a red dot award. Put an ugly stand on it to make it usable 😂
Form over function 😂
Sometimes Lance is just as caffeinated as you would expect from a coffee youtuber
it's true.
Lance love the content and the full disclosure of your involvement in the project. Keep up the great work!
Ok, come on guys. Huge props to Hugo for that sponsored bit and the editing. Holy crap, that was top tier with the Phonk in the background, synced with the video. Loved it!
I was cracking up at the edit. He is a master.
@@LanceHedrick indeed hahaha. It gets better every video
Thank you so much 🙏
@@hugoferrazporto Np, you're the man!
@@hugoferrazporto I usually forward 30 seconds during the ad break, but your intermissions are absolute gold! 👌
I very much appreciate this long, and in depth video; not so much that I'm interested in buying this grinder, more so that it went a long way to help me understand, or, if not truly understand, but at least demystify burr sets and unimodality. It is truly mind bogling, and, as far as I've been able to find, you are the only person really delving into this!
Teaaaaasing us with those Sculptors in the back 😉 excited for any potential future coverage there!
Hi Lance if you were to pick one burr for pourover would you rather these pro brew burrs or the turbo burrs from timemore 078?
Just had a first spin with mine with the Lance set. Made some siphon brew with a light roast, 8.5 grind setting, 21g, 300ml @90sec (tastes like this could use some tweaking, a little on the weak side). I see now what is meant by bringing out clarity. This is my first flat burr grinder, it is very well built and feels great grinding. I love how small this thing is compared to electric grinders, I almost went electric until I saw this video and am glad I went with this grinder. Thanks for the video and your contributions to the coffee community and now industry!
Loved your video Lance! Super appreciate the transparency that you're bringing to the table keep up the good work!!! Time to shill this to my friends haha
hahaha appreciate the kind words, Ryan!
Thank you so much for this. I love hand grinders and opening those kind of grinders up to flat burrs is amazing! Thank you for reviewing this grinder!
absolutely! it was a pleasure and joy to make
I bought a Pietro grinder with Pro Brew burrs. Sensational, but I have a doubt. You say that the grinder shines if it is adjusted to around 8. I think the grain size is too big for my grinder, for several coffees the pour over time is less than 2 minutes around 1'30". What you presented I understood to be a prototype. Did anything change for the final production? Please, can you tell me where I can find a map of the grain size in micrometres depending on the value set on the grind dial?
Great vid! I’m trying to decide between the two pro
Burr sets. I heard what you said in the vid but I was wondering if you could help me and break down the differences a bit more. I drink and prefer mostly filter coffee but will have expressive shots once in a while. Thanks!!
Hey Lance, thanks for the video(s). I'm now an addict... You say the pro-brew burrs work for espresso, too, if one likes the taste. I was thinking of buying them to supplement my Mignon (which, you've said, works better for darker roasts) for lighter espresso roasts. Does that make sense or am I setting myself up for failure? Sorry for asking for personal consumer advice...!
i just got one with both burr sets (came with MP so that’s what i’m trying right now, but CANT WAIT to swap for probrews!) … but is it just me or do the MP’s create a staggering amount of fines and i’ve sadly not been able to find a convincing brew yet (previously owned grinders being JXpro and Ode/SSP) … also any tips on approximate grind sizes or particular techniques for the MP ?
Love what you did tot the sculptor dials and cups!! 😜
hahaha! That was all Hugo's idea lol
Hello Lance! Did you make the espresso with the B-Modal burr set or with the M-Modal burrs? Does the M-modal burrs capable for espresso also? If yes, in terms of flavors, what is the difference between the two? Could you please help me, because I would like to change my current ROK grinder to a more professional one and I really like this one. I would really apprectiate your help! :) Thank you in advance!
This video uses the m modal
I really appreciate your passion for burr sets and the PSD data. As a chemical analyst, I probably use the same instrument in your data analysis. Because of your thorough reviews (and Jonathan Gagne's blog) , I recently received my EG-1 V3 and use the Ultra Burrs exclusively for espresso and pour over. It is AMAZING. Thank you for your content. I think the Pietro with Brew Burrs would be a great way to enjoy very similar filter coffee for travel/work. I like the engineering of taking a burr set that would traditionally be used in a powered grinder and implementing it in a hand grinder. I own a monstrous OE Pharos I used to bring to work 😂
that's awesome! So glad you are enjoying the EG1. Still my favorite thus far. ULF burrs by SSP at the 80mm size are hard to beat- and I have the 98mm versions.
Pharos is a beast!!! you're dedicated!
Cool to hear that the "deep sea fishing" method of using it actually helps with a slightly better particle distribution, as I just discovered that way of using it myself yesterday, and found it much easier than holding it on the table. I've been loving the clarity, as well as that "body" or as you say "smoother body", in the cup. It's not "tea-like". The week prior I had a local roaster grind a bag for me on their Mahlkonig, and then this week I've been using the Pietro probrew, and it actually seems like I can taste and smell a lot more with this grinder. Definitely way more than I've had with 64mm HU, 83mm stock on DF83, and a Flair Royal hand grinder, too. Very glad I jumped on the preorder for this...I was about a day away from ordering the Ode gen2 with MPs, but then serendipitously saw someone talking about the Pietro and went for it.
Tried this method on mine today, and it was MUCH easier than holding it on the counter.
@@nolanscott9870 there are hand grinders, and then there are belly grinders.
That is how I use my OE Lido2. Much easier.
BELLY GRINDERS FOR THE WIN!
@@LanceHedrick I wonder what pourover recipe and roast level you used for this test? I've been trying to figure out the best way to make my Pietro shine, trying lots of different pourover methods. It seems like maybe the unimodality makes it more challenging to dial in?
Nice. As you demonstrated the base and the impact on stability, i was reminded of pencil sharpeners i used in school.
Does there have to be a burr alignment procedure at any time?
This looks great Lance, I believe there’s definitely a market for flat burr handgrinders, and this one looks great!
Hope so! But, as I said, it isn't a make or break for me. just happy to contribute something!
Where can I buy the stand ?
Got the 1zpresso K-plus hand grinder. Is this a upgrade ?
Thanks a lot for the great review! As a early owner of the multi purpose version, I was excited to wait for your in deep dive into the Pietro and Pro Brew burr set. Definitely will be ordering your burrs to compliment the multi purpose. Funny, you have not really expanded on espresso cup profile for the multi purpose but I can see some similarities with the pro brew in terms that compared to some conicals, it’s more defined and velvety instead of body. Also made my best turbo shots on this.
And while I agree that a JMax fills the bill, for me the Pietro has been a clear step up in terms of cup profile. For some reason, I feel the blind burrs are partial to that feeling. Would love to see what grind distribution looks like (from a technical perspective) on these burrs.
One point you didn’t mention is that even if you don’t do the step less mod, there is no drift when setting it between clicks (was a worry for me as I find it hard to believe the 15 microns adjustment per big click based on my time experiments with shots).
On the other side, quite disappointed with the design of the base. I am sure it will make grinding less wobbly, but it stains the design (it’s gorgeous on a counter top as is). Let’s see the final product though.
Same here, I like the Pietro with mp burrs better than the j-max. Maybe even better than Kinu.
Yeah- i'd say they arguably are a stepup, but I wanted to be clear it was not night and day. At least, not to me. But thanks for the comment overall!
has the stand for this grinder been released yet? Browsing online and havent been able to find it
Really love the vibe. Not only educational but a remedy for my heavy day. Thank you ♥️
that is so great to read! I am glad my silliness could improve your day even a little. Hope the rest of the day just gets better!
This vs q2? How great is the difference in taste? Is it worth the great difference in price?
The ergonomics for this are exactly what my dad with arthritic hands is looking for in a grinder! Stoked to see a quality looking vertical flat burr hand grinder.
Also, I'm jamming on the tuxedo sculptor shenanigans in the background. Glad you're being thorough and apparently having fun.
haha thanks! Always like messing around with grinders if I have duplicates. I did the same with the pietros a while back. Always good fun. Thanks for the support!
I've just gotten the Pietro with the ProBrewing M Modal burrs.
I've gone to the maximum setting, and my V60 would not brew less than 4 minutes.
And I was hoping that it's going to be closer to ULF, but there are quite a lot of fines. The bed was quite muddy. Water temp was at 96C.
What am I doing wrong? As a note though, the cup isn't bitter at all.
Maybe it's the coffee
Just ordered the grinder with pro brew burrs. Is there a stl file for the stand? I think I'll need it
I was skeptical about your bias but no you were right! Hoon's coffee tried Pietro with the Pro burrs using blind tests and found it preferable over all other manual grinders including Fellow Ode Gen 2. They have made several videos, check it. I also got the Pietro based on our word about a month ago. I am very happy with it thus far (except for the weight) but I haven't compared it yet with my DF83 with SSP HU. Overall, yes, I think you were honest and your findings were not biased. Great work!!
I like the switch-a-roo with the 064/064s, the panda vibe is strong with these ones🤣
had to do it. low hanging fruit ripe for the picking lol
I am using this grinder with pro brew set. The espresso (it can make espresso, when the grind setting is almost zero) is so much much much better than my niche. And the pour over is also much much much better than my kinu m47 with pour over burr. But Lance, I wanna make this grinder better, so is it possible to do alignment on this grinder?
Also I am really curious about that cause my unit just stalled brews at the first brews. Maybe the reason is seasoning but I can hear burr rubbing when Im not even putting force on the handle. But the taste of the brews are not way off at the same time this is my first flat burr grinder so when it comes to allignment I really need the info.
I found your channel from the EG-1 review, where I disagreed with the stalling portion. Since there I have been following and I love your content! Honest, entertaining, funny, and highly caffeinated!
What about the stalling did you disagree with?
@@LanceHedrick On the EG1, we talked about it there.
ok. I just don't recall lol. but i'm thankful you're enjoying the content, friend!
You made a quick reference to timemore 078, do you mean the sculptor? Or is that a hand grinder?
Magnetise the base and design the grinder 'holder' to receive, & hold, it at a slight angel.
Free hand rests on top of the grinder. Faster easier grind.
Will this be a great upgrade from the Kinu M47 for espresso?
Awesome video as always! I get so excited when you start your video with a disclaimer about how long an in-depth it is.
In regards to the "beans aligning the burrs" situation, I know people have a real problem with that. I've seen a lot of talk on Reddit about it and I, myself, have argued with people about it. People who ignorant about manufacturing or engineering want the grinder to be 100% perfectly aligned and have 0 movement. My thoughts are that many premium manufacturers have said exactly what you said in this video regarding the beans influencing alignment. This tells me there's probably something to it. Commandante, Weber (with the Key Grinder), and now you, to name three off the top of my head.
I think it would be a really cool video idea for when you get your laser particle analyzer, to compare multiple of the same grinders with visible "defects", or whatever it's called; where it looks like there's misalignment but when you put the beans in it works itself out. I think that would go a long way for our little community to help assuage people's fears or misunderstandings about having perfect alignment and perfectly rigid materials.
yes! That is one of the ridiculous amount of tests I have ideas for haha! Good idea.
Loved every second of this video, excellent❤
thank you!!
Great video, intriguing new toy!
........also love the sculpture mix and match 😁
Regards
J
haha thank you!
As my shoulders are bad, the vertical movement would be easier than the normal horizontal turning motion. Would this grinder produce espresso grind as competently as the better current hand grinders? I have a Ode Gen 2 for other brewing styles. Nice video, Lance.
Hi Lance and thanks for your videos. One question from me: with multipurpose burrs and grinding with the stand, is it less tiring (and with with less struggle) than grinding with Jx Pro at Espresso range? I'm not talking about total time needed to grind, just how smooth the experience might be
i recently have pietro MP (but no base) and jxpro, and grinding for espresso with pietro is surprising almost as easy as filter, and yes easier on the turning arm than the jxpro! but without the base, that means that both for filter and espresso (maybe a bit more for espresso) it really does move around a lot! the fisherman’s belly hack really helps! its the holding arm that gets tired!!
The subtle tire screech when you said "drifting" got me XD
Saw them at the SCA expo in Portland today. Felt good in the hand. Nice colors. Thanks for the interesting review
heck yeah! Glad you got to mess with it. HOpe it was a fun day at expo!
Lance, I have a Lagom Mini. Between this, the Scultpor78S, and the Zerno you talked about recently, which would you get? I do everything from French Press to Pour Over to Aeropress to Espresso.
Zerno.
Hear me out Lance! Imagine a hand crank single dosing EK43S. Same burrs and design with a weighted flywheel at the back of the unit.
Drop a dose into the gated hopper.
Start turning the flywheel and crank it up to a fast speed. The spinning weighted flywheel will keep the burrs spinning rapidly with momentum.
Open the gate and the beans fall through. You can still continue grinding normally.
Use the fun bag knocker.
Threaded attached catch cup to eliminate static mess.
Hi Lance, do you know why these grinders have a prop 65 warning? I know prop 65 casts a broad net, but it's good to be informed.
what grinder do you recommend for French Press?
Sorry for the late comment! Any update on the release of that base? I can’t find it online at least.
Great vid Lance!
thank you, Sean!
Saw this grinder at the Amsterdam Coffee Festival. Amazing stuff!
awesome! Hope it left a good impression!
Lance, can this be hooked up to a drill? And have you ever looked into drill motor tech to see if there's anything out there more or less appropriate for coffee grinding? I could see the 2 items sold separately as a way to bypass various certs... maybe? Lol
perhaps! not sure if Pietro is open to this. I had other ideas I think would have elevated the grinder, but weren't taken. They did do a lot of what I asked, which were all aimed at the cup profile. Ergonomically, I had lots of other ideas haha
do you get a kickback from the probrew burrs purchased separately or only when purchased pre-installed? (i’m in canada : eight ounce coffee)
In case Lance doesn't get back to you I'm pointlessly going to speculate that he likely does.
Whether for the preinstalled or gets kickback for the entire cost of the grinder and burrs together, or just for the burrs cost within the package is another question.
I actually have no idea. I am going to say hopefully haha! BUt i'm not sure. And the reason i'm not sure? I don't realllly care. Yes that sounds weird, but I do well in my full time job at Onyx Coffee Lab and any money made from something like this just goes into youtube. I am not reliant on that
@@LanceHedrick yeah that is indeed pretty awesome! i just wanted to make sure i could support all your hard work!! :) … and yeah onyx seem like a pretty rad bunch - and their coffee and brand (and team 😉) sure are! … our son is named onyx actually 🖤 so we ordered a box up to canada to add in his room 😄
Hi Lance do you have a discount code to order the pietro? thanks
Wait I want to be sure I understand - for filter, you're saying you prefer Pietro to Ode with SSPs, your "before-diminishing-returns" choice (before 078 with turbos goes into production)?
Sorry. I should have been more clear. While I was testing for these burrs, the 078 turbo was NOT a thing. At the time, ode ssp was my ceiling for filter. I was just reliving those cuppings. I think 078 turbo is better than ode ssp
For which type of beans do you prefer the Pietro Pro Brew over the ZP6 or the SSP MP burrs?
I now always prefer Pro Brew to Ode SSP. I'm at 80/20 for Pro brew vs ZP6. I less consider the coffee being used and more consider the style cup I want. Do I want full flavor separation or some blended elements? I also consider the mouth feel they both cater.
If I have a C40 m3 as my only grinder, would the Pietro flat burrs bring a big enough difference in taste for filter brews to justify having both grinders? Thanks Lance.
I am wondering the same, but with the M4
Can’t speak for the Pro Brew, but as far the multi purpose version (the one I have), I have have had decent results on v60 and Kalita… but still keep going back to my Comandante for pour overs - different story for espresso. Now I am sure it’s a totally different story with the Pro Brew! Can’t wait to get a set of these burrs
In my opinion, it's a LOT better than a c40 in every way.
in my tastings, it blows c40 and k series away. It is also evident with how big of a gap the PSDs I showed on screen are. BUT i never want people to feel the need to spend money if they are happy with their set up!
@@LanceHedrick thank you Lance
Lance, really love the innovations, like goes by default!
Couple of questions: do you know a US retailer that will sell your burrs? Espresso parts seem to have the other ones.
Also, on Ode SSP, would you also recommend doing the stepless mod (taking the little piece out)? And what would you do to that astringency you got in the video, if you didn't have the other grinders? Just go a step coarser?
Hey! Espresso Parts told me theyd be stocking my burrs soon(ish). so, should be good there! and with ode, you need to check out the mod that JKim Makes suggests on his youtube channel to ensure no drifting. and yes- a bit more coarse.
I've found the source of the ticking, it's a hand grinder! Yeaaaaa! You've made my day with that reference!
so glad at least a couple have picked up on it! COnsidering that video's once viral success, I figured there'd be more haha
Maybe I missed it in the videos but is there a base included if you buy the grinder (from the links in the caption) or does it has to be bought separately?
The base is not yet available, but I've been told Pietro will release more info soon!
@@danymeeuwissen5973 Alright thanks
it is suitable for grinding under a jezve ?
Where can I purchase the base in your video?
You said you have your Ode w/ SSP set so chirp is at 1. Fellow recommends when calibrating that you set 1 to 5 clicks to the right of chirp. Is there a reason you have yours set differently?
Because I do what I want lol. Seriously. I always set all my grinders to around this. I never go THAT coarse. I'd rather go finer.
@@LanceHedrick thanks for the reply!
I just bought one! with the Burr geared to pour over. I have subscribed.
Looks much better than I anticipated. However the more stable base is essential, in my opinion, and it isn't avail for purchase as far I can see?
Great video, you are informative AND funny!
Even your plug for Squarespace was hilarious🤣
thank you! So glad you enjoy it. I hate having to rely on sponsored ads because I know it annoys most viewers, so I try to make them fun.
@@LanceHedrick it definitely works. I will not miss another add in the future🙂 Keep up your great work and please never stop spizing your videos with your great personality👍
thank you! Means a lot after reading and needing to delete some hate comments. Appreciate you, peter!
@@LanceHedrick you know I bet if Nelson Mandela had been on TH-cam he would have gotten hate comments- it’s not on you!
Hey Lance, what do you think about Fiorenzato at all. Especially for F 83 E Pro?
I really don't have much experience at all with their stuff, to be honest.
My dude, been absolutely loving the memes/personality in your videos lately! Keep it up 😍
thank you! As I get more and more comfortable in front of a camera, I also get more comfortable letting myself out haha! Appreciate the kindness.
Exactly. You are great, Lance. Stay goofy
How is this for traveling once in a while?
Is there a rough micron comparison for the numbers?
each click/tick is 15 microns!
After watching this video, I decided to both purchase this grinder and subscribe to the channel. The multi-purpose burrs were free when I placed the order for the other version, so I got both. If I grind for espresso, what is the typical grind time?
By the way are the filter burrs better than the vario burrs bcoz this costs same as a used vario?
Thank you for introducing us this nice pencil sharpener
hahaha!
Duuude! Thanks for the vid! Great one at that.
thank you!
Nice work, Lance. 🤩😎
thank you, friend!
This is really informative and exciting. I hand grind my espresso on an Arco, so probably the added value from this grinder would be in the unimodal burrs, to have a weird/different/contrast.
Oh nice! Arco does a solid job for trad coffees. I should probably review it soon? Lol
great stuff man
Amazing information and review, as always. I’m seriously thinking about getting this. I already own the Ode SSP… you said it is the best electrical grinder before diminishing returns. Did your opinion go back to the Ode for that? Because in the Timemore 078 video, you mentioned it was that was the best before diminishing returns. Just wondering if your opinion has changed is all.
Love your videos. It always makes my day better. ❤
Ditto I had the same question, especially since the Timemores are in the background of the video.
I know this is confusing, and I should've been more clear in this video:
All my testing for the burr set prior to completing it was BEFORE the timemore 078 came out. So, I figured i'd replicate those tests in this video. When testing, ode ssp WAS best before diminishing returns. so, I spoke in the present tense. Didn't realize how confusing that was until after a few of these comments. Timemore with turbos is still my number 1 for filter (before diminishing)
@@LanceHedrick Thank you for the reply, that definitely makes sense. I’m contemplating about upgrading from the Ode SSP to the 078. It seems like everyone loves its juicy flavor profile more, which is something I tend to enjoy as well.
yeah the 078 is the move if you are filter focused. But, depending on the coffees you drink, the difference could be bigger or smaller. I'd say don't expect earth shattering but you'll definitely notice a difference.
I bought this with the m burrs just because i wanted to try it, it arrived today like 2 hours ago - after I made coffee, sadge - and only after unboxing did I notice your sticker on the side! 🤣
.....and the verdict? You like? (they do get loads better with lots of seasoning)
I currently have a j-max as my only grinder. Really appreciate your honesty in saying this isn't worth the upgrade for espresso. But do you think it's worth it if I also make a lot of pour over? I find the j-max works fine for pour over but leaves a little to be desired so I've been thinking of getting a second grinder
I mean, the pro brews definitely are. The MP would be an upgrade, yes, but much more marginal than the pro brew set!
it might not be yet. and try code "lancehedrick"
@@LanceHedrick hey lance. I just got an email back from them saying this
“We only have the M Modal, multipurpose burrs available, and no plan is in place to bring on any alternate burr options.”
Any idea where we’ll be able to get the pro brew burrs in the US?
@@smaskell m modal is the pro brew burrs.
What vacuum do you use?
Great video as always, Lance! Question: in Pietro website, the naming of the burr is ‘M-modal’ and ‘b-modal’. Which of them is the pro-burr you mention in the video?
M-modal!
This looks like a great idea, great grinder for great coffee... but bad user experience. Handle should be longer so it doesn't shake so much. Shown accessories (stand etc) should be part of the package for this price. Even then, awkwardly positioning your grinder on the edge of the table just to make sure you don't hit the table with your hand while grinding is just a weird design choice overall.
Kudos for pointing the issues with it it, being top heavy with a short handle. Honestly I don't care how many 'design awards' from 'designers' product gets, I'd rather see it getting engineering awards and user experience awards :)
When will your burrs be available in the US? it seems only the B-modal burrs are available to the North American market while Europe gets both options.
eightouncecoffee has them. they're canadian but ship to US
@@stefanodomeni hell yeah! Good looking out! Gonna order now!
espresso parts will have them hopefully soon
How long did it take you to grind the filter and espresso doses, and how many grams were those doses?
I have it noted earlier in the video on screen
@@LanceHedrick my mistake, completely missed that. Thanks 👍
no worries!
What setting for the AEROPRESS?
When you say 5-5.5 grind setting for the ZP6, this is the rerelease ZP6 special right?
yes! Burr lock at 0.
Wow ! I've wondered for some time if we'll ever gonna see a flat burr handgrinder. That day has come, that looks fantastic !
I agree! mostly excited because the future now looks bright for them ha!
I'm in the market to upgrade my grinder, and this looks incredible. I don't make espresso and don't plan to get into it, but I do pretty often use my aeropress to make an espresso like beverage, grinding in espresso range. This tends to give pretty good results with my timemore c3 pro. Is that something that would still be achievable with a unimodal burr set? Can you use it to grind in the espresso range and will it offer decent aeropress results? Thanks!
It can go very fine, but because of the unimodal burrs you get very little fines, so less puck resistance with the pro-brew burrs. I've used it in the aramse SoFi and Flair 58, do aeropress will work great too. Expect lots of clarity though!
yes! Can get there. And using aeropress, too much clarity shouldn't be a concern!
@@danymeeuwissen5973 Are you able to pull 9 bar shots with it even on light roasts? Really interested in this for espresso but didn't know if even at its finest setting it was more like a turbo shot.
@@strongjrs with the multi purpose burrs, no problem at all. With the Lance-burrs it's possible but you'll need to go super fine, so I pull 7 bar lever shots with my Flair 58 in that case.
@@danymeeuwissen5973 Thanks a bunch for the response! Would it be possible to get fine enough on the lance burrs to hold that 7 bar shot you do for a minute or so? I usually pull descending 6 bar lever shots that are about ~1min or less.
Reason I ask is because I'm excited to mimic what some people are doing with the ULF burrs on the EG-1 for modern espresso and these burrs seem to be similar.
EDIT: looks like you can probably get up to 9 bars if you bloom/ pre-infuse for a long time beforehand (to increase puck resistance). Here's Jonathan Gagne doing it with the ULF on the EG-1: th-cam.com/video/t0DJV3XgGeU/w-d-xo.html
I know what to upgrade from my kingrinder k6 now: The Pietro with pro burrs. Thanks, Lance!
oh yeah! Hope you enjoy!!!
Also another question, what’s your go to V60 method these days?
my ultimate pourover method!
Which burr is included with Pietro on the espressoparts site? Did not see an option. Only want Pro of course
I asked…only multipurpose burr.
@@chuckv8838 thanks! Bummer
they should be getting pro brew soon. At least, that's what they tell me
@@LanceHedrick good the person I chatted with said they had no plans to get, so hope they were wrong
Any idea how much the base will cost?
i'm trying to get them to release the 3d file so people can print at home.
Allright, one question: how you choose grindsize for pour- over? by peak at particle distribution analizys, or by brewing time?
I choose off taste. I like going coarser usually and focusing on pour technique and ratio.
@@LanceHedrick i meant for calibration beetwen grinders- when you mae calibration. You use same technique for all samples, but how you pic grindsize for comparison. Thanks
ahhh understood. For this, I have used the other grinders so long, I dialed them into where they tasted best for this video. In off screen tasting, I dialed them into many different ways, including same grind size. But they all extract differently, so that isn't a fair showing. I optimized each one in my dialing so they tasted the best.
@@LanceHedrick While I can see that, instinctively, one might want to compare the cups of different grinders grinding at as close to identical grind size as possible, in reality, this doesn’t make much sense to me. Two different grinders at similar grind size settings will still produce different grounds. They’ll have different distributions (obviously - as this is talked about endlessly) different shaped grounds and possibly other differences I haven’t thought about. I’d rather have a comparison of Grinder “A’s” best cup vs Grinder “B’s” best cup. Irrespective of the actual individual grind size of each machine.
yup! And that's what I presented in the video! and what most of my tests comprise of. But I like to be thorough. so I do them all
I have one with the pro brew burrs. It really taste good! Very clear and clean. The best filter ive tasted in my whole journey of learning and drinking coffee.
A question I would like to ask Lance is, how do I remove the pin to make it stepless? I cant seem to unscrew. It gets stuck at around almost 9-0. From your video, you are able to unscrew it past that 😅
Aaah. Just saw the video again. Seems like I have to remove that thing that blocks us frommoving past 9-0 haha
Wow, what's your previous best grinder?
@@dan138zig a k-max
Hi Lance! Is the pro-brew burr set not available in US yet? It's not an option on espressoparts.
they should have it soon, if not already. I know they are currently showcasing my set at the Expo in Portland! Maybe shoot them an email for an ETA?
@@LanceHedrick I see, will email them to find out. Thanks a bunch!
Eight Ounce Coffee in Canada has ProBrew units in stock and they ship the US. Might be some savings if exchange rate is factored in...
they told me they are planning on stocking them. They gotta get their communication in check!
Will you be releasing a fishing/grinder combo harness?
i'm working on it!