DISCLAIMER! It is DEFINITELY not my intention to shame the entire Otherkin community with this video. I am only sharing my experience with one specific Otherkin individual that was in deep spiritual psychosis. That‘s it. I‘m not saying all Otherkin people are crazy, I‘m not saying all Otherkin people are in spiritual psychosis. This is about ONE individual from my past.
You don't have to explain yourself. You did not make any blanket statements about anyone. You shared your experience in an enlightening way. You even included disclaimers in the beginning of your video! If people misunderstand, it's probably because they weren't listening and didn't watch the entire video.
Yeah, as an otherkin person myself, this is something our community has to be on the lookout for, and we talk especially about how much of a red flag trying to tell someone else their identity is. I would not say it's your fault for falling for that, it's a form of spiritual abuse and can be unintentional from two people both being too excited and new to spiritual experiences, for example, but also based on the sound of your story, intentional. Unfortunately, some people also use our community to trigger their own psychosis. One person joined a server I was in and engaged with our spiritual discussions and experiences in order to intentionally cause themselves to spiral into an episode in which they would spam nonsensical and concerning messages for hours on end. That server was ultimately forced to ban them because they admitted they had sought this space out specifically for this purpose of triggering themselves.
@@thomasyahyah Basically, someone who believes themselves to be nonhuman in some way (non-physically, although there is a community of people with clinical lycanthropy). Often they tie it to spiritual beliefs, but there are plenty of people who believe it's psychological, or at the very least non-spiritual.
@@thomasyahyah It can be an interpretation of personal experiences or your own perception of the world; it's pretty subjective and differs from person to person; I know one person who believes that because they were so absorbed with certain animal movies as a child, it left a lasting psychological impression on the way they perceive their own body and behavior.
I am otherkin as well (Angel/Faerie/Elf otherkin) . I was otherkin long before I became a witch and now that I am a witch I feel more comfortable in my skin because I’m finally a magical being!
huge trigger warning for everything im about to say! So my friend from university was always a very spiritual person and her mental health has always been an issue and her family/life history were as messy as you can imagine. She developed a drug habit with a lot of ayahuasca etc. Slowly she ended up cutting everyone out of her life and she documented lots of things that happened on her instagram with many followers. By the end her stories got extremely concerning as she thought she was a mystical goddess Kali Ma and that she was meant to die. She killer her cat and posted photos of it on her story, then proceeded to turn on the gas stove. she expected it to kill her alone but when she realised it didnt she thought she was immortal. unfortunately she then tried lighting a cigarette and died instantly when the explosion took place. luckily nobody else got hurt as her building was evacuated when the gas was smelled by her neighbours. She was an INCREDIBLE person before the psychosis took over her life and not a week goes by that I do not think about her. Reach out if you have any questions about her story, it is well documented if you know where to look.
I just want to say it is SUCH a relief to know I'm not the only one who had a LARPing/spiritual psychosis phase of my spiritual path! The first 2-3 years of my path as a witch was like that and I cringe *hard* looking back on it. The people I was doing it with at that time I think are embarrassed too, we basically made a pact never to speak of it with each other again haha.
I had spiritual psychosis which started in March 2020 during lockdown. I had my first baby in June 2020 and was convinced I had found my past life and my whole families past life. I had postpartum psychosis last year 9 weeks after my 2nd daughter. I had never had any mental health issues before, but was on a spiritual path of discovery. Birth triggered a lot, and what I experienced during the postpartum psychosis episode last year was so surreal. I was aware something dark was trying to take over my energy and my senses were heightened. I practiced Reiki for self healing, and on my children, but I now believe I left myself open energetically at a very vulnerable time post birth. I know there was the physical element to my psychosis of being sleep deprived, deficient in nutrients from pregnancy, breastfeeding, dopamine inhibited in the brain etc, but something definitely tried to take over my energy field because the psychosis came out of the blue after practicing Reiki. I had to come out of it by having faith and telling whatever it was to leave, and that it wasn’t welcome. Be careful to protect your energy when playing with others worldly energies and practices! I luckily got the medical help I needed quickly. There is definitely a lot the medical side does not understand about what takes over someone’s mind and energy field when going through mental illness. That element is part of my understanding of what happened to me, and my mother’s culture is more open to it. Luckily I have her to talk to about it and she experienced a lot, but never got the medical help. Both the spiritual and medical sides are needed for recovery, and I’m just so grateful I have a holistic approach to healing 🙏🏽
It is very important to talk about mental health. I am a tracher in Argentina and one of my former students took part in an ayahuasca ceremony. He suffered from a psychotic episode because of that and he had to be institutionalised. He began "seeing" the devil and hearing voices. It has been two years since that and he is still in the assylum. Doctors think he had a dormant schyzophrenia and the ayahuasca triggered it. Talking about this experience with others I heard of similar experiences of people ending up with serious mental problems after consuming some things to have a spiritual experience. So please please be careful with that stuff. If you really want to take ayahuasca or something similar please research well beforehand and do it under the guidance of responsible people. Not everyone who claims to be a shaman is really one. Please be safe
Oh yeah I’ve heard similar things! Also that if you have psychosis or schizophrenia running in your family, better don’t take any drugs that trigger hallucinations… so no weed, no LSD, no Ayahuasca, etc…
My friend also had dormant schizophrenia and smoking lots od weed and some ketamine activated it. I should have known better bc I feel guilty for doing drugs with her, when I knew her sister had schizophrenia and not noticing anything, I thought she was just making fun bc we used to talk about werid religious ideas for fun.
Don't be embarrassed, you were a victim of abuse. I went through something similar minus the spiritual aspects. It can feel shameful to admit what you were manipulated to believe. All you can do is learn and grow and you have. I'm so proud how strong you've become from it.
Thanks for sharing, it was very brave of you! You did a great job explaining some of the reasons we can end up being manipulated. It’s incredibly difficult to explain to people who haven’t been in a situation like that (spiritual or not) why you ‘fell’ for it and didn’t call them out and leave. Unfortunately sometimes people who are vulnerable end up around people who take advantage of it. 💛
Yeah that’s very true! If you’ve never been in a toxic relationship being gaslit and manipulated you just can’t imagine it. Before that I would’ve never thought I‘d get into a situation like that. But it happens faster than you might think…
From a stranger's outside perspective, I would not shame or think you should be embarrassed of yourself at all. Someone who knew how to emotionally manipulate you through a vulnerability, in this case your curiosity of spirituality, took advantage of you and clearly emotionally abused you. I am so glad you were able to get out of this abusive relationship and learn the unfortunate red flags to avoid this again moving forward. It sounds like the manipulation tactics that cult leaders utilize.
Oh yeah I definitely learned a lot during that time! And luckily shortly after that experience I met my now fiancé so I guess in the end it all came out well 🥰
Thank you for sharing. You shouldn’t blame yourself for this experience. You were doing the best you could with the info you were given at the time. ❤ I was in a similar situation, but thankfully I was able to catch myself before things got too serious.
I want to thank you for sharing this. I experienced spiritual psychosis under similar circumstances emotionally and i think it can be really embarressing to talk about in detail. I hope your realize how strong you are for telling this story. It is very healing to hear and I am sure for many others as well.
I thought i was god. I thought my house was a portal to heaven and hell. I thought my bf was the devil and i signed contracts with him i thought i was dead. The list goes on and on. Spiritual psychosis happened to me twice and those times were the worst times of my life. Ever since then i have completely lost my spirituality and miss it very much. The embarassment and shame from those days is overwhelming. I completely get where youre coming from and appreciate you bringing awareness.
My wife has the same experience right now she said I’m the devil and brought us together by meddling with higher forces I don’t understand. Packed her things and left. Her family never agreed to our union so it’s messy and she is in contact with them now and they don’t believe in psychosis. I have no idea where she is or what she is doing. She blocked me on everything. I’m just here crying the only thing I can do now is pray.
I've been there, maybe less extreme but yeah, it's good to finally put a name to the experience. The shame when it's all over is terrifying. I've been isolating for over half year now.
I’ve personally was in a relationship with a narcissist for 13 years and married to her for 3 out of the 13 years. We are now going through a divorce. Sharing your story lets me know that I’m not alone. I am so sorry that you went through that. I thank you so much for all you do. Your a wonderful person.
Spiritual psychosis is so scary. Warning for people reading this btw. So this is a story from my current partner's aunts. His mom is an open book so she tells me a lot of stories of how crazy her religious family was but at first i thought it was like bigots validating their beliefs with religion before i realized holy shit....this is spiritual psychosis 😅 This aunt is in so much medical debt because had to bring her son to the hospital because instead of treating an illness he had she instead used oils and over the counter medicines that didnt work, along with prayer as she believed because she was such a large follower of jesus, she had the power to heal her kids without a doctor. The kid got worse (hes fine now) but she got into a lot more trouble financially because their illness got so much worse he had to be in the hospital longer than he would have if she had brought him to the doctors sooner. She still doesnt believe in doctors, she still thinks shes a healer chosen by jesus (edit: she also believed the government was watching her, the rapture would come someday in her life and would do reckless things like this because why would you take care of yourself if the rapture is happening soon?) And yes, her kids are trying to move out as fast as possible. One other aunt literally died of cancer because she thought god would revive her. And she literally didnt treat it because she believed if she lived she was chosen by god and if she died it was gods plan for her to go to heaven. My partners mom still considers this suicide. She died because she didnt believe she needed to take care of herself bc she believed god would heal her. Spiritual psychosis can kill.
Oh gods I’m so sorry to hear that those things happened 😞 and yes ESPECIALLY when it comes to literal physical illness I wish people would just aaaaalways go to the doctor… no matter if they’re Christian, a witch or a new age practitioner… 😞
Thanks for sharing because this makes me realize my parents have this. They are Christian and many Christians have this, my parents don't know I'm not Christian anymore but it's very hard to help them out of their delusion when they don't accept help because they have been brainwashed to believe in these things. Yes some experiences are real like self healing but there's only so much we can do, sometimes we need physical help.
This is SO important. Thanks for sharing! I didn’t experience psychosis but I did spend a couple decades suffering from SEVERE undiagnosed OCD, because I took everything as a sign something awful was about to happen, and the actions I took to “prevent” the bad things just felt like spirituality and magick. I trusted anything my mentally ill brain told me instead of other people, basically. But spirituality isn’t being terrified 24/7 or having a breakdown because it’s cloudy and you can’t find a star to wish on to keep your pets and friends alive 🤪 (I’m good now.)
It takes courage to share our personal experiences, good and bad, and to be vulnerable in that way, but I know it will help others - So thank you for sharing. It really is important to put "checks" in, both when dealing with what other people are telling you as well as spirits. Not everyone has your best interest in mind, and we don't always see messages clearly at first. Good video and topic!
Thank you for sharing your experience! To be so open and honest about mental health on the internet takes a lot of courage. This is definitely a very important topic that needs to be talked about in our community to increase awareness. So thank you again!
Thank you for talking so openly about this. I’ve been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and had more than one psychosis over the course of several years. Thanks to good meds, psychotherapy and my spiritual activities, the last psychosis I had was over 15 years ago and I hope it will be the last. While like you I would recommend for anyone with a psychosis to seek professional help as soon as possible, I think it can be quite difficult to find a therapist who is open to discussing real spiritual experiences and not dismiss them as for instance halluzinations or other forms of delusions. (But I know, it's a tricky topic and may be hard to discern, if it's real, for instance an unverified personal gnosis or a symptom of a psychosis.) And in general, it can be hard to find a therapist, at least in Germany there are long waiting lists. I read about transpersonal psychology (sometimes also called spiritual psychology), which seems to be more open to work through spiritual psychoses, but in Germany there are not many therapists who specialize in that, I guess maybe more in other countries. And here are some book recommendations, in case someone here is interested in reading about the topic. "Breaking Open: Finding a Way Through Spiritual Emergency", edited by Jules Evans and Tim Read. This book contains first-hand accounts of several people who went through a spiritual crisis and awaking and how they managed to get through all of this. "Am I bipolar or waking up?" by Sean Blackwell where the author also talks about mental illness, a spiritual crisis and how he found a way out of it. I haven't read this one so far, but want to: "In Case of Spiritual Emergency: Moving Successfully Through Your Awakening" by Catherine G. Lucas, who is the founder of the UK spiritual crisis network.
Thank you so much for being so open in this comment! I know it’s a very vulnerable place to be ❤️ I totally agree, sharing spiritual experiences can be extremely tricky with a therapist, it always depends on who it is. I went to therapy for my social anxiety and I doubt that my therapist would’ve understood. Luckily it wasn’t a topic I had to talk about to her. But I wish therapists were more open about things like that.
@@TheNorseWitch Yes, I think this would be really helpful for spiritual people. To be taken seriously in their beliefs, but I guess that's not really a thing taught in psychology studies. Before my last therapy, I was asked to fill out a questionaire. One of the questions or rather a statement was: "I believe in magic". I lied about that because I bet the therapist would have seen it as a delusion of mine - because of course for most scientists, sceptics and atheists, magic ist just a fantasy, an imaginery thing. During therapy, I never talked about any of my spiritual beliefs, but I managed to talk about stuff like doing meditation and having "inner helpers" to whom I can talk. (I actually learned a method with "inner helpers" during another therapy.) Of course, I never told the therapist that these "inner helpers" are my spirit guides.
@@TheNorseWitch That's a good question, I don't know. And what I found strange was, there was just this one question about magic, not something like "I believe in God" or "I am a religious person" or "I am an atheist" or something like that. But maybe they didn't include those, because it's completely mainstream and established to be either an atheist (or agnostic) or part of an established religion/spirituality.
I really appreciate this video because it highlights to anyone interested in the metaphysical ways to stay self aware and safe in their practices. Thank you for sharing this. I know if had to have felt very vulnerable.
I appreciate your openness and vulnerability here. As a victim of narcissistic abuse (physical, emotional/mental, and sexual), I strongly relate to having a low self esteem and being blinded by love bombing and also the threats of suicide any time I showed signs of standing up for myself or questioning him or trying to leave. As much as I hate that others have gone through the same kind of thing, it is comforting to know that I’m not the only one in the world who’s been a victim of these manipulation tactics. Makes me feel less embarrassed about it. So thank you.
Hi Bente. I first started getting interested in the mystical following my very first manic episode 6 years ago, during which I developed delusions of being a psychic medium and having otherworldly abilities I really don’t possess. This has occurred for at least 2 more times and I’m now diagnosed bipolar 1 and medicated. I’m still interested in spirituality but I don’t delve too much into it because I’m very aware of psychosis and the possibility of it kicking in again with the same themes, so this video is very enlightening.
@@TheNorseWitch yeah, now I’m super vigilant around my moods and my sleep schedule, plus therapy. But psychosis, specially the spiritual/religious delusional type is not a topic that’s spoken about often, so I love that as a consistent practitioner you brought this up in your channel 🩷
Thanks for sharing this story! It seems like a lot of us spiritual people have experienced something similar. I'm no exception. But I do feel like once we get out we are better for it, even though the experience was very painful.
What a moving story. I appreciate you baring your soul and allowing us this glimpse into the pain of your past. I felt sad every time you said you were embarrassed that you believed this man and the things he was telling you. You were vulnerable and in need, and you filled that need with what presented itself at the time. You mentioned it was one of the most difficult times of your life, but you came through it with knowledge and a healthy perspective. The fact that you can give grace to this man who was himself struggling and ill shows that you have come out on top of this experience. I see nothing to be embarrassed about.
Thank you so much! ❤️ I definitely see it as a very important part in my life even though it was one of the most awful ones because it was also one of the most formative ones for me.
Thank you so much for sharing this, I'm sorry you went through this, you definitely weren't stupid, don't think that, you were just drawn in with your love and innocence. But you grew from the experience and look at you now 💪❤ I've met a few people on my path with spiritual psychosis (but this is the first time I've had a phrase for it!) And they are so hard to spot when you're new to your craft whatever age you are. Again thank you for sharing your open and honest experience ❤❤❤
OMG this reminds me of a couple of people. One was a guy I briefly dated. We knew each other, and decided to meet up for lunch after 3 years no contact. He asks a few polite questions, but before we even get drinks he spins an elaborate tale about how we were meant to be, he's been dreaming about me for months, he's been told by his higher self in meditation he's supposed to become a guru, etc. I noped out of that situation so fast. Turns out he's one of the folks who believe we're descended from aliens 😂
This is such a scary story, but I'm glad you decided to share it. For one, emotional vulnerability is a big risk in being a novice in anything, but especially something so highly personal as spirituality. I know I personally had to deal with that even as a highly skeptical person (to give an idea, I thought I was an atheist for the majority of my life, even during my early magic phase where I practiced Chaos magic and considered myself a Satanist. It took me a long time to explore my relationship with Deity and how complicated it actually is). Also, I feel like most people mistake psychosis for highly spiritual experiences and vice versa. I personally haven't had spiritual psychosis but my mental health plays a big role in my relationship with my spirituality, and I've experienced some spiritual things that were extremely scary stemming from that (and this is coming from a person who likes to watch thrillers and read horror comics, so it's not like I am the kind of person who would quit something just for being scary). I think that it should be normalized for people to speak up about the dangers of spiritual practices and how people with mental health issues like schizophrenia can protect themselves from that possibility of danger. I have also personally seen people who have obviously slipped into psychosis post things on forums about how Satan was torturing them in hell, so it can be something that needs to be dealt with online as well and it's hard to do when you can only do so much from behind a screen (and also if those same forums have no support system for it beyond a mod team). Stay safe out there everyone
Don't be too hard on yourself ! Many more people than you think have been through this (spiritually or not). Some do not have the strength to realize it. the lack of self-esteem creates this need for validation and acceptance but also this admiration of people with a lot of self-confidence because we would simply like to be like them ! We trust blindly because these people become our only pillars, they bring us what we think we need. He simply took advantage of this period during which you were vulnerable to manipulate you, completely toxic. Kniw that you are not alone and that it is very brave of you to have shared this complicated phase for you. You have nothing to reproach yourself for and you are not alone !❤️ I also have a question, how today, after having experienced this spiritual psychosis, do you manage to validate your spiritual experiences? (Spirit communication, astral projections, spirit flight...) What elements allow you to validate/verify your experiences?
Thank you so much!! ❤️ This is such a tricky topic in general! Something I try to always do is cross reference and talk to other people. If I have an experience that feels weirdly out of the box I’ll talk to as many people about it as I can to see whether it makes any sense. I think it’s especially important to talk to people you know will be honest with you. When it comes to spirit communication luckily I’ve never had any communication that felt strange or weird or dangerous. But I got a lot of replies that I didn’t expect so that’s how I can be pretty sure that it’s not just my subconscious talking.
@@TheNorseWitch With pleasure ! You have to realize that you were the victim and not the culprit ❤️ Thank you very much for your answer ! I will follow these good tips from now on !
I appreciate you sharing this story so much. I think this is such an important and responsible conversation to have, especially in the spiritual community because so many who are seeking truth are vulnerable people healing from their own traumatic histories. It is so so important that we recognize the role imagination and our filters are playing in what we are creating in our minds. We need to be testing what we believe to be true by any means we can, journaling, sharing with people you trust, sharing with strangers, and taking all the feed back seriously. We must compare our perceptions with the perceptions of others to find the objective truth. I went through a period of time where I believed some really unbelievable things due to having too much confidence in my imagination. I'm humbled by this now, properly. There is are rules I follow now. For something to be true, it must be True on three or more dimensions/perspectives. Additionally, before I decide to believe something that is originated from my mind, I get confirmation from three places. I don't know where and when it will come, but eventually, I bring it up in conversation, someone else brings it up in conversation, or I see it written somewhere. Once that happens several times, I decide that I can believe there is Truth to the thought or idea.
LARPing from what I've seen is a big thing in the "spiritual" communities like new age. I got pulled into it at one point. It was very weird and ungrounding in retrospect.
I know this video is from a while ago, but I just wanted to thank you for your courage and vulnerability. I know it will help many people to better understand and hopefully get help if they need it. ❤
Thank you for your honesty. I luckily never had an experience as uncomfortable as that, but back at the beginning of my practice i was desperate to learn more while my own intuitive abilities weren't clear or forthcoming. So i did engage in readings which told me some pretty wild stories about my soul about my spirit guides, my past lives, you name it. Luckily i was always very suspicious and never fully bought into these stories and finally i decided to never engage in seeking spiritual information like that from others but to wait until i myself have spiritual experiences, the validity of which i could better judge myself.
I relate so much unfortunately! The person who did this to me was definitely in psychosis, too. And he pretty much dragged me into his reality. I was also very in a vulnerable desperate time and he made me feel so special at first. When someone holds a lot of power within a community or is seen as a pillar, it almost feels like an honor to be with them. They seem so confident in who they are and it is a slow unraveling. He was extremely pathological and abusive and vindictive. He's done horrible things to people. I was no longer able to ask questions or have my own opinions. It was an extremely confusing time and he had so many blind followers, so when they were validating and looking up to him and not speaking up when he was abusive, I felt like I was the problem or insane one. I thought I wasn't experiencing my reality correctly when I felt I was in harms way and that ironically is exactly what made me slip into the abyss. I'm so glad you got out and are feeling clear now. I still have times where I split on myself inside and get confused again. Very scary.
Thank you 🙏🏾 I had a "friend" who I believe is slowly going into spiritual psychosis. He tried to love bomb me but I knew he was a narcissist already by observing him as a friend. He blocked me when I avoided his attempt. He also thinks he's a dragon. Be friends with these people for a very long time, most narcissists aren't playing the long game, some do, most don't, so their facade eventually cracks.
Thank you so much for this! There are so many similarities between my story and yours. My “spiritual healer” also believed she was the mother of dragons. I believed me and her had a soul contract to help other starseeds “wake up.” I would love to share my story with you. Spiritual psychosis is very real, and I want to bring awareness to it just like you are.
Thank you for opening yourself up and being vulnerable with us. I know it's not an easy thing to, and I genuinely appreciate you bringing attention to not only spiritual psychosis but also mental health within the spiritual community and how easy it can be for someone to take advantage of you if you blindly trust everything and everyone. My number one rule with witchcraft and particularly spirituality is: Question EVERYTHING. Every video. Every book. Every conference or conversation. Every spell and ritual and their outcomes. Everything. While believing in yourself and your magick is important in spell casting, a healthy dose of skepticism is necessary for your mental health and safety. Thanks again for being so vulnerable with us and sharing your experience.
I stumbled upon your chanel yesterday and i havent stopped watching your videos, I am so happy for you that you found the things that you deserved to truly have, I hope you're still happy to this day and for all days to come. I would absolutely 100% love to sit down with you and have some tea and talk about magick and runes .
Thank you for sharing your story and experience. You did a good job showing how complex spiritual psychosis can be. One part that stood out to me is the clarity looking back and the sense of disbelief, like, how did I get roped into this? How did I not see what was happening? How did 6 months go by when it should have been clear by month 1? And wow, sometimes it really is just that complex. What gets me is that some people *know* they are lying. They are ill-intentioned and *purposefully* being manipulative. They are aware of what they are doing and they are purposefully doing it. On the other hand, there are people who are genuinely disconnected with reality. They may even have good hearts and kind intentions, but that doesn't make their beliefs real (real to them yes, but not real-real, if I can say that). Whether their intentions are good or ill, or whether they have some underlying condition or none at all, it can be incredibly difficult to tell. And, it can be so easy to be sucked in without knowing it. You think you're walking up a hill and turns out somehow you followed someone into a pit. Going down was easy. Getting tangled didn't even feel like that. But climbing out is always hard work. The majority of my life has been in Christian settings. There's been a variety of perspectives about "genuine spiritual experiences" and "how to discern." I'm familiar with those answers from a Christian perspective. I would be curious to hear more about your perspective on discernment. To be honest, I'm not aware of what spiritual experiences one can expect to have as a Norse Witch (or any practicing witch). I imagine there's going to be a diverse answer to that.
And a little about my experience/reality dilemma: I love fairies and other mythical creatures. I would love it if they were real. I can see them being real. I know there are people who believe they are real. What if fairies are real, but I've been trained not to believe it because of this materialist, modern world? What if I am disconnected from reality by not believing in them? BUT---what if they aren't real? What if it is all in my imagination? Is my fascination with them leading me to create a fantasy rather than connect with reality? If I ask certain people, they will tell me fairies are real, and if I ask others, they will tell me fairies are not real. So, it's like I can't depend on others to tell me what is real. And if I chose to believe or not, how do I make sure that it is a belief based on reality and not something else (like psychosis, etc)? How does one know reality?!?! LOL. I'm not expecting an answer. There are some things in reality that are easy to know and trust, but some spiritual/mystical things can be tricky. That's partially why I'm really curious to hear your insight on discernment.
Thank you for talking about this. This was super important to learn about so I appreciate you sharing your own personal experience no matter how cringy you may have felt. Kudos to being so brutally honest!!
Thank you so much for sharing! It's interesting how much your experience aligns with mine. I've also been in contact with a narcissistic guy who basically told me all these things: like us being soulmates and meant to be, how he's a Demonic God chosen by Satan and rules after Death over his own Kingdom, he heard voices (his 'demonic guardians') and so on. At first I was kind of intrigued because the person had some interesting stories to tell, but it took me 3 months to see through everything and recognise how serious he was about it. Nowadays I can't even comprehend how gullible I was, even though I never believed him everything, he still had my attention, which these kind of people don't deserve at all. I'm glad we both learned from it to be more careful. Sometimes it can get reeeally tricky, especially in the spiritual community.
thanks for share, i think too this its a much common place in paganism, and truly thank you to tell your story, i know it could be embrassing, but its necessary specially for newbest in such things where the racionalism is put in doubt from the very begenning in this path, i think is so important for that a good critical eskepticism thinking putting in front, and a good partnership suporting with guidance. i knowing because i have had my own psycotic episode, again thank ypu
Wow this was triggering something very similar happened to me. Three years ago I had just started getting more heavily in spirituality and magic and wanting to meet people who are interested in the same stuff I don’t want to get into the long story but I also suffered spiritual narcissistic abuse from a chaos magician, who is fully convinced that he was a dragon. Like it’s so nice to hear I’m not the only person this happened to, I also had no self-esteem was desperate from attention for somebody thought that because he had 15 years of experience in chaos magic, then he must have some thing to teach me and I can learn from him, ignoring my own instinct and intuition. It was a very psychology and emotionally traumatic experience
Struggling right now, I feel I have been through a huge dark night of the soul/Spiritual awakening, it also feels like there is or has been an element of psychosis to it at least recently. I am grateful for my progress.
It is so sad that this is a much more common occurrence in the spiritual community then people realize. Unfortunately it a place without good guidance can really cause issues for mental illness.
oh my gosh this is making me feel so seen. i went through something similar: met some kind of spiritual narcissist online who was super confident in all his knowledge. he pushed his beliefs onto me and i had no defenses, he shaped me into the person he needed me to be to feed his ego... he told me he had visions of me being a seductive fairy in spirit world, that our spirit guides brought us together for a spiritual mission to save the world etc... i think he might've also been into a spiritual psychosis. and he pulled me into it as well. it was so scary and i'm still dealing with the traumatic impact... EDIT: THIS GUY ALSO TOLD ME THAT IN SPIRIT WORLD I WAS IN HIS TEMPLE/KINGDOM WHERE HE WAS A PRIEST/DRAGON !! with so much authority, i was his inferior in his temple & he 'protected' me in spirit world in his dragon form. thank you so much for this video, it feels incredibly validating to hear someone talk about going through the same thing. it feels so embarrassing to have been pulled into such delusions.
@@TheNorseWitch no i'm not!! from belgium & the guy from canada. luckily, it all happened online, never met him in real life. but the similarities between our experiences are creepy gahahah!!
One of my best friends went through it the week after my birthday. Luckly our friend group and her family noticed quickly and her family was able to help her. The sad part is that to this day her family thinks she took something in my birthday party of that I gave her something to trigger this :(
reading all the comments makes me a bit more calm about my experience.. i was and still am very concerned for my ex but the only thing for them is just believing that everything will come to them without doing anything and that the universe will do it’s thing… it’s still sad to see such a talented person waste their time on doing nothing but after reading what people wrote i think my ex will be fine
A lot of these kinds of people tend to be drawn to magick unfortunately, and the nature of magick seems to affirm their own internal states... I met someone at the beginning of my own path as a magician... She had been practicing for a few years more than me and had a self assured attitude with her practice. I trusted her because I thought, "Well she has more experience and seems to know what she is doing!" She had grand narratives in her head, that she was chosen by Hecate, that everyone she was close to was a twin flame she'd known in past lives, yadda yadda... It's one thing to SAY you're experienced in magick for this amount of time, but it's also something to ask, how much of that time is actual time spent practicing? And how much of that practice is actually substantive and backed up by logic? I think that's why grounding, having a life (job, relationship, friends) outside of magick, and reflection/journaling are the most important things in a practitioner's repitoire. Lon Milo Duquette has a great quote -- "Magick isn't my life. I have a life thank you very much! I just use magick to enhance it."
Hi, first time commentor. Long time watcher. But yes, I think I have had an experience with an ex that was similar to this. This was several years ago and I still puzzle over things to this day. I think things could have gone a lot further down a rabbit hole than they did.
@@TheNorseWitch Yes, it's been about 5 years for me as well and because I bonded with a lover over the beginnings of a 'spiritual awakening' and she took me under her wing, its always felt difficult to pick which bits were mine and which bits were hers. But yes, I think she had a lot of trauma. I could see that and I don't hate her or anything like that because of it all. I think she hates me because of it all, but then, I'm still puzzling over it after 5 years. But yes, it was shortly after, while starting to pick things apart that I found out about otherkin and looked into the whole elf thing. That's died away to some extent, but I still wonder if it was real or, as you put it, LARPing.
I had my own bout with it. This was before TH-cam was really a thing and there just wasn't that much information online in regards to spiritual topics. Mine lasted over two years. Doctors said there wasn't anything wrong with me but every single day multiple times a day i was having these totally unreal experiences. There was the odd auditory hallucinations but most of it felt like the barrier between my mind and the reality around me had broken down. If I thought it then whatever it was seemed to find a way to appear immediately. For example maybe I was at the gas station buying a drink and I'd think about a certain make, model and color of a car i was maybe going to buy. As soon as i completed the thought I'd hear the clerk and a customer (people I don't know at all) talking about the exact same car in the exact same color. If that were an isolated incident then I'd put it in the coincidence category but this happened many times a day every day. It seemed like there were messages on the radio and tv. The strangest thing was it seemed like there was something talking through people that I knew when i was having a conversation with them. They knew things about me they shouldn't have known. They'd say cryptic things and then give a wimk or a smirk and it just didn't "feel" like they were the same person. The only way to avoid it was to be totally alone without listening to a radio or watching tv, so by the end of it I'd become a recluse. One day i just begged for it to stop because I couldn't figure out what any of it was for and yoi know what? It stopped. Right then. It had mimicked schizophrenia but I'm pretty sure you can't just ask that to go away which is why i don't think it was a mental disease of any kind.
I went through spiritual awaking and psychosis. ( I had a religious psychosis) I had demons ... I was damaged since my childhood... emotionally mentally physically verbally abused by my parents ( my stepfather has anti social personality disorder like narcissism) ...in my teenage sexual trauma , promiscuity... my body and brain and soul couldn't handle anymore. ..agonizing experience. . Saw Santa muerte in my dream I don't do witchcraft. ..
Pretty sure I’ve dealt with someone like this before- not necessarily in my practice (because this was before I started) but just as a friend. He was older, my manager (🚩), and obsessed with the gym. Long story short; got me into it as well and would tell me things like I shouldn’t be running on the treadmill because my legs weren’t strong enough 🥴 he was the one with the actual physical limitation, not me. Oh the things I could say, but yeah the gaslighting and lovebombing were real with that one.
You’re my favorite new young pagan person, lady. Unfortunately, there are a lot of unhinged ppl in this especially when it comes to the dark side of things. Hazards of the trade. Many and most will lose sight of what they do and why they do it because results in purpose through workings should be what it’s all about. I, too just got out of a relationship (2 yrs back) with a narcissistic person. Yeah. Really fucked. But thanks for sharing.
Thank you for sharing I never talk about what happened to me because I feel like people will look at me crazy for dating a chaos magician, who believed he was some warlock dragon nonhuman God, or some craziness
I had a pretty similar experience, when I was in a similar vulnerable state and just starting out to seek community after a couple years of being solitary. But the forum he was in was as a whole pretty toxic and we were in that online "coven" and forced to defend ourselves from others (who were mad about our coven claiming that there is no such thing as white or dark magic, that magic is just energy). Plus, he was on older white male with more experience than I, so of course he must be right (lol). He thought he was an elven prince and this human experience was awful to him and that my higher self was an angel. I got a bad feeling and broke it up after 2 or 3 months before ever seeing him in person. To this day I don't know if my higher self is an angel or not, but that doesn't matter much since I live a human life. However, I l have stayed away from the witchy online community since then, it left quite the shadow.
:) Literally my biggest fear is losing my mind. It was one of the things keeping me from exploring any kind of faith; my experiences can be so deep and meaningful, how am I to know whether it’s “magick” or psychosis? How do I know that things I’ve seen and experienced are actually real? I don’t know. To be honest, I’m not sure I’m in a place right now where I want to know.
That is strange, I have an experience with spiritual psychosis and it also involves a man who believed he was a green dragon. He said he had 2 parts of his soul one part green dragon and the other was a blue owl
Wow😮… Thank you so much for being brave enough and share this experience. It is worthwhile. I never heard of « otherkin » before but « spiritual psychosis » is something very real… Fortunately, you’ve found your strength and self-confidence back and were able to free yourself out of this web…
I’m glad to hear your ex started going to therapy, I’m healing and it’s gonna take a long time but ultimately I do think my ex is extremely mentally ill so I don’t know how much I can actually blame him
This video was great but my problem with spiritual psychosis is that people throw it around for the littlest of things just because they don't personally believe in it, like Pop-Culture Paganism or practices get called psychosis all the time. Some people can actually have deep connections to their path and spirits without going through psychosis, just because this isn't the medieval times that doesn't mean we can't have deep connections to the entities we work with. The way I can tell if someone has psychosis is if they start acting reckless or if the stories are dangerous, the person might also believe that they are a chosen one where they are a lot more powerful then others or can do miracles. Some stories are not spiritual physios, aka just because someone says they believe they are something and are not letting dictate their life in a reckless or dangerous manner and are just living their lives then they are either confused or they actually do have that connection. I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL THESE ARE JUST SOME RED FLAGS IN GENERAL. Not every culture is the same, so if your culture says you can't do one thing that doesn't mean other cultures can't do that either and that does not mean that it's physios and a lot of times this can become unintentional xenophobia or racist so be careful about that. P.S. this is not an angry post I just see a lot of people throwing the term around like it's nothing without even having had psychosis before or they don't have any traning in the field which can be EXTREMELY dangerous. I'm not saying that's what's happening in the video this is for everyone who throw the term at anything they don't personally believe, IT IS DANGEROUS to just throw it around and can potentially harm someone.
Agreed! I’ve also met one other Otherkin person for example and I wouldn’t say they were in spiritual psychosis. This very specific example in this video got very very dangerous and out of hand so yeah I’d draw the same line as you!
I cannot tell you how desperately common your story is. I see it mostly in pagan circles, but it's definitely a thing in other religions. I just mostly have more personal, direct experience with pagans.
Most of my direct experience has been in a variety of Christian communities. I 100% agree with you that it isn't confined to just one religion or spiritual tradition. Mental illness and/or spiritual psychosis can show up anywhere. And it can be really hard sometimes to discern if someone is a genuine spiritual person or if there is something else going on. It would be nice if others came forward and were honest about the issue.
Hard core acim and neville goddard followers on here are f#$king SO many people up on here. So are others. I'm trying to recover without proper help available here in Indiana....and it's been beyond f#$ked up on top of trying to cope with my teen sister's death from a combo o.d. ......extremely traumatizing cotsd shit fr. Thank you for this video.
I understand believe me. Please answer this question, other people I am sure will want to know about it too. I had been interested in Ceremonial magick. I know everything has to be perfect to be able to do a spell. I was told by a person I knew he would not teach me even if I bought everything from him to learn, Being he had a buisness for. He did not tell me why and I did not ask. In the past he had told me when you have depression and other related issues you have to be extra careful because spirits can try to take advantage of you if they see a moments weakness. But I thought thats what spirit guides are for. I have never met mine. What I worried about was two things. In my depression I would not be able to put all the effort out on bad days, or have the attention span for it or the discipline needed maybe. Do you find these things to be a problem? Do the Gods care? I have not watched this video yet, maybe I will see the answers, than
You can definitely be a magical practitioner if you suffer from depression. Soooo many people are! So no worries. You don’t have to always do stuff. I wonder why spirits should be able to take advantage of you simply because you’re depressed. I mean, you’d probably put your protections up on a good day and they’d be made in a way that they also protect you when you’re not giving attention to them… so I don’t know where that person was coming from with that idea. Sounds a lot like fear mongering to me
@@TheNorseWitch thank you, that makes me feel so much better. Like you were saying about trusting people,being careful who you are trusting. You are very helpful and uplifting type of person.
Youre radiating such “safe space” i cant describe it differently. This even being about such sensitive subject, just listening to you brought me so much peace. Following🫶🏼💜
Echt schlimme Erfahrung hast du da gemacht ja, sehr wertvoll trotzdem, dein Video kann anderen helfen nicht blind alles zu glauben was ein anderer erzählt ❤ Danke hierfür. Peinlich muss es dir nicht sein 🤗 jeder macht so seine Erfahrungen durch, jeder hat sein Päckchen zu tragen, bei niemanden ist alles eitel Sonnenschein. Wer keine Fehler macht, macht auch sonst nichts. Boah, nur die ersten zwei Monate mit ihm waren schön, trotzdem hats leider sechs Monate gedauert, ganz genauso wie bei mir und meinem narzistischen, gaslightenden Ex 🤯 und ich wünschte mir auch, ich hätte früher Schluss gemacht.. nur halt nicht alles im spirituellen-magischen Kontext, er war ein Muggel 😅
This is not talked about at all. Like I stated, I have mental health issues regarding Schizophrenia. Now, I hear only one voice. My so-called Spiritual Guide, who lies to me all the time. He/She says that it is part of the Dark Night of the Soul Process. And, I'm like ok, whatever.
I saw the dragon, too. She was floating by in the clouds, staring right at me. I looked at her. We stared at each other for at least a minute or two before she was gone. 😅
I understand how talking about this might feel awkward and embarrassing but my dear you have nothing to be ashamed of, this was no doubt a toxic relationship with elements of abuse and there is nothing shameful in being a victim/survivor of abuse. All the blame and shame lies upon the abuser!
DISCLAIMER! It is DEFINITELY not my intention to shame the entire Otherkin community with this video. I am only sharing my experience with one specific Otherkin individual that was in deep spiritual psychosis. That‘s it. I‘m not saying all Otherkin people are crazy, I‘m not saying all Otherkin people are in spiritual psychosis. This is about ONE individual from my past.
You don't have to explain yourself. You did not make any blanket statements about anyone. You shared your experience in an enlightening way. You even included disclaimers in the beginning of your video! If people misunderstand, it's probably because they weren't listening and didn't watch the entire video.
Yeah, as an otherkin person myself, this is something our community has to be on the lookout for, and we talk especially about how much of a red flag trying to tell someone else their identity is. I would not say it's your fault for falling for that, it's a form of spiritual abuse and can be unintentional from two people both being too excited and new to spiritual experiences, for example, but also based on the sound of your story, intentional.
Unfortunately, some people also use our community to trigger their own psychosis. One person joined a server I was in and engaged with our spiritual discussions and experiences in order to intentionally cause themselves to spiral into an episode in which they would spam nonsensical and concerning messages for hours on end. That server was ultimately forced to ban them because they admitted they had sought this space out specifically for this purpose of triggering themselves.
@@thomasyahyah Basically, someone who believes themselves to be nonhuman in some way (non-physically, although there is a community of people with clinical lycanthropy). Often they tie it to spiritual beliefs, but there are plenty of people who believe it's psychological, or at the very least non-spiritual.
@@thomasyahyah It can be an interpretation of personal experiences or your own perception of the world; it's pretty subjective and differs from person to person; I know one person who believes that because they were so absorbed with certain animal movies as a child, it left a lasting psychological impression on the way they perceive their own body and behavior.
I am otherkin as well (Angel/Faerie/Elf otherkin) . I was otherkin long before I became a witch and now that I am a witch I feel more comfortable in my skin because I’m finally a magical being!
huge trigger warning for everything im about to say! So my friend from university was always a very spiritual person and her mental health has always been an issue and her family/life history were as messy as you can imagine. She developed a drug habit with a lot of ayahuasca etc. Slowly she ended up cutting everyone out of her life and she documented lots of things that happened on her instagram with many followers. By the end her stories got extremely concerning as she thought she was a mystical goddess Kali Ma and that she was meant to die. She killer her cat and posted photos of it on her story, then proceeded to turn on the gas stove. she expected it to kill her alone but when she realised it didnt she thought she was immortal. unfortunately she then tried lighting a cigarette and died instantly when the explosion took place. luckily nobody else got hurt as her building was evacuated when the gas was smelled by her neighbours. She was an INCREDIBLE person before the psychosis took over her life and not a week goes by that I do not think about her. Reach out if you have any questions about her story, it is well documented if you know where to look.
I‘m so so sorry that happened to your friend. This is so incredibly sad 😞
That is so heartbreaking. I am so sorry for your loss😢😢😢
I bugged out on my instagram too it’s so fukin embarrassing to think back on lmao
that's so scary?! omg
Wow! I didn't even know people could get like that. I'm sorry for Her. I have mental health issues, but not like that.
I just want to say it is SUCH a relief to know I'm not the only one who had a LARPing/spiritual psychosis phase of my spiritual path! The first 2-3 years of my path as a witch was like that and I cringe *hard* looking back on it. The people I was doing it with at that time I think are embarrassed too, we basically made a pact never to speak of it with each other again haha.
I had spiritual psychosis which started in March 2020 during lockdown. I had my first baby in June 2020 and was convinced I had found my past life and my whole families past life. I had postpartum psychosis last year 9 weeks after my 2nd daughter. I had never had any mental health issues before, but was on a spiritual path of discovery. Birth triggered a lot, and what I experienced during the postpartum psychosis episode last year was so surreal. I was aware something dark was trying to take over my energy and my senses were heightened. I practiced Reiki for self healing, and on my children, but I now believe I left myself open energetically at a very vulnerable time post birth. I know there was the physical element to my psychosis of being sleep deprived, deficient in nutrients from pregnancy, breastfeeding, dopamine inhibited in the brain etc, but something definitely tried to take over my energy field because the psychosis came out of the blue after practicing Reiki. I had to come out of it by having faith and telling whatever it was to leave, and that it wasn’t welcome. Be careful to protect your energy when playing with others worldly energies and practices!
I luckily got the medical help I needed quickly. There is definitely a lot the medical side does not understand about what takes over someone’s mind and energy field when going through mental illness. That element is part of my understanding of what happened to me, and my mother’s culture is more open to it. Luckily I have her to talk to about it and she experienced a lot, but never got the medical help. Both the spiritual and medical sides are needed for recovery, and I’m just so grateful I have a holistic approach to healing 🙏🏽
do you have any advice for healing through holistically ?
I'm so glad you finally told this story!! You have grown so much since then. I think this video will be helpful for so many people. 🖤
Thank you! ❤️❤️❤️
It is very important to talk about mental health. I am a tracher in Argentina and one of my former students took part in an ayahuasca ceremony. He suffered from a psychotic episode because of that and he had to be institutionalised. He began "seeing" the devil and hearing voices. It has been two years since that and he is still in the assylum. Doctors think he had a dormant schyzophrenia and the ayahuasca triggered it. Talking about this experience with others I heard of similar experiences of people ending up with serious mental problems after consuming some things to have a spiritual experience. So please please be careful with that stuff. If you really want to take ayahuasca or something similar please research well beforehand and do it under the guidance of responsible people. Not everyone who claims to be a shaman is really one. Please be safe
Oh yeah I’ve heard similar things! Also that if you have psychosis or schizophrenia running in your family, better don’t take any drugs that trigger hallucinations… so no weed, no LSD, no Ayahuasca, etc…
I agree to everything especially the last bit. It's become such a cash grab the unqualified have taken advantage of it. It makes me so angry
My friend also had dormant schizophrenia and smoking lots od weed and some ketamine activated it. I should have known better bc I feel guilty for doing drugs with her, when I knew her sister had schizophrenia and not noticing anything, I thought she was just making fun bc we used to talk about werid religious ideas for fun.
At least I got karmaed bc I later got ketamine psychosis and had to stop taking it.
I'm learning that it's vital to be grounded and connected to the Divine source because this ain't no joke.
Don't be embarrassed, you were a victim of abuse. I went through something similar minus the spiritual aspects. It can feel shameful to admit what you were manipulated to believe. All you can do is learn and grow and you have. I'm so proud how strong you've become from it.
Thanks for sharing, it was very brave of you! You did a great job explaining some of the reasons we can end up being manipulated. It’s incredibly difficult to explain to people who haven’t been in a situation like that (spiritual or not) why you ‘fell’ for it and didn’t call them out and leave. Unfortunately sometimes people who are vulnerable end up around people who take advantage of it. 💛
Yeah that’s very true! If you’ve never been in a toxic relationship being gaslit and manipulated you just can’t imagine it. Before that I would’ve never thought I‘d get into a situation like that. But it happens faster than you might think…
From a stranger's outside perspective, I would not shame or think you should be embarrassed of yourself at all. Someone who knew how to emotionally manipulate you through a vulnerability, in this case your curiosity of spirituality, took advantage of you and clearly emotionally abused you. I am so glad you were able to get out of this abusive relationship and learn the unfortunate red flags to avoid this again moving forward. It sounds like the manipulation tactics that cult leaders utilize.
Oh yeah I definitely learned a lot during that time! And luckily shortly after that experience I met my now fiancé so I guess in the end it all came out well 🥰
Thank you for sharing. You shouldn’t blame yourself for this experience. You were doing the best you could with the info you were given at the time. ❤ I was in a similar situation, but thankfully I was able to catch myself before things got too serious.
I want to thank you for sharing this. I experienced spiritual psychosis under similar circumstances emotionally and i think it can be really embarressing to talk about in detail. I hope your realize how strong you are for telling this story. It is very healing to hear and I am sure for many others as well.
I thought i was god. I thought my house was a portal to heaven and hell. I thought my bf was the devil and i signed contracts with him i thought i was dead. The list goes on and on. Spiritual psychosis happened to me twice and those times were the worst times of my life. Ever since then i have completely lost my spirituality and miss it very much. The embarassment and shame from those days is overwhelming. I completely get where youre coming from and appreciate you bringing awareness.
I had the SAMEEEEEEEEE EXPERIENCE WTF
My wife has the same experience right now she said I’m the devil and brought us together by meddling with higher forces I don’t understand. Packed her things and left. Her family never agreed to our union so it’s messy and she is in contact with them now and they don’t believe in psychosis. I have no idea where she is or what she is doing. She blocked me on everything. I’m just here crying the only thing I can do now is pray.
@Transition-xu5rx eish sorry hopefully she's fine.
I've been there, maybe less extreme but yeah, it's good to finally put a name to the experience. The shame when it's all over is terrifying. I've been isolating for over half year now.
@CarmenElRose 6 years for me, please don't let it go that long.❤
I'm getting the much needed help now.
I’ve personally was in a relationship with a narcissist for 13 years and married to her for 3 out of the 13 years. We are now going through a divorce. Sharing your story lets me know that I’m not alone. I am so sorry that you went through that. I thank you so much for all you do. Your a wonderful person.
Spiritual psychosis is so scary.
Warning for people reading this btw.
So this is a story from my current partner's aunts.
His mom is an open book so she tells me a lot of stories of how crazy her religious family was but at first i thought it was like bigots validating their beliefs with religion before i realized holy shit....this is spiritual psychosis 😅
This aunt is in so much medical debt because had to bring her son to the hospital because instead of treating an illness he had she instead used oils and over the counter medicines that didnt work, along with prayer as she believed because she was such a large follower of jesus, she had the power to heal her kids without a doctor.
The kid got worse (hes fine now) but she got into a lot more trouble financially because their illness got so much worse he had to be in the hospital longer than he would have if she had brought him to the doctors sooner.
She still doesnt believe in doctors, she still thinks shes a healer chosen by jesus (edit: she also believed the government was watching her, the rapture would come someday in her life and would do reckless things like this because why would you take care of yourself if the rapture is happening soon?) And yes, her kids are trying to move out as fast as possible.
One other aunt literally died of cancer because she thought god would revive her. And she literally didnt treat it because she believed if she lived she was chosen by god and if she died it was gods plan for her to go to heaven.
My partners mom still considers this suicide. She died because she didnt believe she needed to take care of herself bc she believed god would heal her.
Spiritual psychosis can kill.
Oh gods I’m so sorry to hear that those things happened 😞 and yes ESPECIALLY when it comes to literal physical illness I wish people would just aaaaalways go to the doctor… no matter if they’re Christian, a witch or a new age practitioner… 😞
Thanks for sharing because this makes me realize my parents have this. They are Christian and many Christians have this, my parents don't know I'm not Christian anymore but it's very hard to help them out of their delusion when they don't accept help because they have been brainwashed to believe in these things. Yes some experiences are real like self healing but there's only so much we can do, sometimes we need physical help.
This is SO important. Thanks for sharing! I didn’t experience psychosis but I did spend a couple decades suffering from SEVERE undiagnosed OCD, because I took everything as a sign something awful was about to happen, and the actions I took to “prevent” the bad things just felt like spirituality and magick. I trusted anything my mentally ill brain told me instead of other people, basically.
But spirituality isn’t being terrified 24/7 or having a breakdown because it’s cloudy and you can’t find a star to wish on to keep your pets and friends alive 🤪 (I’m good now.)
Oh gods I‘m glad you’re better now, that sounds like an awful and especially scary state to be in 😞
@badandbroad. I'm glad you're doing well now. 💕
Whoa! Princess and dragon archetype! Thank goodness you were able to be your own dragon slayer and shared your experience!
It takes courage to share our personal experiences, good and bad, and to be vulnerable in that way, but I know it will help others - So thank you for sharing. It really is important to put "checks" in, both when dealing with what other people are telling you as well as spirits. Not everyone has your best interest in mind, and we don't always see messages clearly at first. Good video and topic!
Thank you! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for sharing your experience! To be so open and honest about mental health on the internet takes a lot of courage. This is definitely a very important topic that needs to be talked about in our community to increase awareness. So thank you again!
Thank you for talking so openly about this. I’ve been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and had more than one psychosis over the course of several years. Thanks to good meds, psychotherapy and my spiritual activities, the last psychosis I had was over 15 years ago and I hope it will be the last.
While like you I would recommend for anyone with a psychosis to seek professional help as soon as possible, I think it can be quite difficult to find a therapist who is open to discussing real spiritual experiences and not dismiss them as for instance halluzinations or other forms of delusions. (But I know, it's a tricky topic and may be hard to discern, if it's real, for instance an unverified personal gnosis or a symptom of a psychosis.)
And in general, it can be hard to find a therapist, at least in Germany there are long waiting lists. I read about transpersonal psychology (sometimes also called spiritual psychology), which seems to be more open to work through spiritual psychoses, but in Germany there are not many therapists who specialize in that, I guess maybe more in other countries.
And here are some book recommendations, in case someone here is interested in reading about the topic.
"Breaking Open: Finding a Way Through Spiritual Emergency", edited by Jules Evans and Tim Read. This book contains first-hand accounts of several people who went through a spiritual crisis and awaking and how they managed to get through all of this.
"Am I bipolar or waking up?" by Sean Blackwell where the author also talks about mental illness, a spiritual crisis and how he found a way out of it.
I haven't read this one so far, but want to: "In Case of Spiritual Emergency: Moving Successfully Through Your Awakening" by Catherine G. Lucas, who is the founder of the UK spiritual crisis network.
Thank you so much for being so open in this comment! I know it’s a very vulnerable place to be ❤️ I totally agree, sharing spiritual experiences can be extremely tricky with a therapist, it always depends on who it is. I went to therapy for my social anxiety and I doubt that my therapist would’ve understood. Luckily it wasn’t a topic I had to talk about to her. But I wish therapists were more open about things like that.
@@TheNorseWitch Yes, I think this would be really helpful for spiritual people. To be taken seriously in their beliefs, but I guess that's not really a thing taught in psychology studies. Before my last therapy, I was asked to fill out a questionaire. One of the questions or rather a statement was: "I believe in magic". I lied about that because I bet the therapist would have seen it as a delusion of mine - because of course for most scientists, sceptics and atheists, magic ist just a fantasy, an imaginery thing.
During therapy, I never talked about any of my spiritual beliefs, but I managed to talk about stuff like doing meditation and having "inner helpers" to whom I can talk. (I actually learned a method with "inner helpers" during another therapy.) Of course, I never told the therapist that these "inner helpers" are my spirit guides.
Oh yeah I know that question. I always wonder whether they mean Harry Potter magic with it 🤔
@@TheNorseWitch That's a good question, I don't know. And what I found strange was, there was just this one question about magic, not something like "I believe in God" or "I am a religious person" or "I am an atheist" or something like that. But maybe they didn't include those, because it's completely mainstream and established to be either an atheist (or agnostic) or part of an established religion/spirituality.
Yeah 100%! Being a fundamentalist Christian would be totally fine but believing in magic? You’re crazy!
I really appreciate this video because it highlights to anyone interested in the metaphysical ways to stay self aware and safe in their practices. Thank you for sharing this. I know if had to have felt very vulnerable.
Thank you 🥹❤️❤️❤️
I am so proud of you talking about this. And I am so so happy this lays in the past
I am too! But I’m happy we stuck together through all of that ❤️
I appreciate your openness and vulnerability here. As a victim of narcissistic abuse (physical, emotional/mental, and sexual), I strongly relate to having a low self esteem and being blinded by love bombing and also the threats of suicide any time I showed signs of standing up for myself or questioning him or trying to leave. As much as I hate that others have gone through the same kind of thing, it is comforting to know that I’m not the only one in the world who’s been a victim of these manipulation tactics. Makes me feel less embarrassed about it. So thank you.
Hi Bente. I first started getting interested in the mystical following my very first manic episode 6 years ago, during which I developed delusions of being a psychic medium and having otherworldly abilities I really don’t possess. This has occurred for at least 2 more times and I’m now diagnosed bipolar 1 and medicated. I’m still interested in spirituality but I don’t delve too much into it because I’m very aware of psychosis and the possibility of it kicking in again with the same themes, so this video is very enlightening.
I‘m sorry you had this awful experience 🥲 but I guess it’s a good thing you’re Diagnose and medicated now? ☺️
@@TheNorseWitch yeah, now I’m super vigilant around my moods and my sleep schedule, plus therapy. But psychosis, specially the spiritual/religious delusional type is not a topic that’s spoken about often, so I love that as a consistent practitioner you brought this up in your channel 🩷
I think it’s SUCH an important topic! But yeah oftentimes difficult topics aren’t talked about…. I’m not here for that 🤣
Thanks for sharing this story! It seems like a lot of us spiritual people have experienced something similar. I'm no exception. But I do feel like once we get out we are better for it, even though the experience was very painful.
Thank you so much for telling your story! If you touch just one person and they relate to what you are saying, it is so much worth it!
That’s what I’m hoping for ❤️
You are describing a potential Cult Leader. Glad you posted this!
What a moving story. I appreciate you baring your soul and allowing us this glimpse into the pain of your past. I felt sad every time you said you were embarrassed that you believed this man and the things he was telling you. You were vulnerable and in need, and you filled that need with what presented itself at the time. You mentioned it was one of the most difficult times of your life, but you came through it with knowledge and a healthy perspective. The fact that you can give grace to this man who was himself struggling and ill shows that you have come out on top of this experience. I see nothing to be embarrassed about.
Thank you so much! ❤️ I definitely see it as a very important part in my life even though it was one of the most awful ones because it was also one of the most formative ones for me.
Thank you so much for sharing this, I'm sorry you went through this, you definitely weren't stupid, don't think that, you were just drawn in with your love and innocence. But you grew from the experience and look at you now 💪❤ I've met a few people on my path with spiritual psychosis (but this is the first time I've had a phrase for it!) And they are so hard to spot when you're new to your craft whatever age you are. Again thank you for sharing your open and honest experience ❤❤❤
you are one of my all time favorite channels on this platform
Thank you so much 😭😭
thank you very much for sharing! knowing and recognizing is half the battle to solving a problem. i'm so glad you made out ok!
OMG this reminds me of a couple of people. One was a guy I briefly dated. We knew each other, and decided to meet up for lunch after 3 years no contact. He asks a few polite questions, but before we even get drinks he spins an elaborate tale about how we were meant to be, he's been dreaming about me for months, he's been told by his higher self in meditation he's supposed to become a guru, etc. I noped out of that situation so fast. Turns out he's one of the folks who believe we're descended from aliens 😂
Oh gods no
This is such a scary story, but I'm glad you decided to share it. For one, emotional vulnerability is a big risk in being a novice in anything, but especially something so highly personal as spirituality. I know I personally had to deal with that even as a highly skeptical person (to give an idea, I thought I was an atheist for the majority of my life, even during my early magic phase where I practiced Chaos magic and considered myself a Satanist. It took me a long time to explore my relationship with Deity and how complicated it actually is).
Also, I feel like most people mistake psychosis for highly spiritual experiences and vice versa. I personally haven't had spiritual psychosis but my mental health plays a big role in my relationship with my spirituality, and I've experienced some spiritual things that were extremely scary stemming from that (and this is coming from a person who likes to watch thrillers and read horror comics, so it's not like I am the kind of person who would quit something just for being scary). I think that it should be normalized for people to speak up about the dangers of spiritual practices and how people with mental health issues like schizophrenia can protect themselves from that possibility of danger. I have also personally seen people who have obviously slipped into psychosis post things on forums about how Satan was torturing them in hell, so it can be something that needs to be dealt with online as well and it's hard to do when you can only do so much from behind a screen (and also if those same forums have no support system for it beyond a mod team).
Stay safe out there everyone
Don't be too hard on yourself ! Many more people than you think have been through this (spiritually or not). Some do not have the strength to realize it. the lack of self-esteem creates this need for validation and acceptance but also this admiration of people with a lot of self-confidence because we would simply like to be like them ! We trust blindly because these people become our only pillars, they bring us what we think we need. He simply took advantage of this period during which you were vulnerable to manipulate you, completely toxic. Kniw that you are not alone and that it is very brave of you to have shared this complicated phase for you. You have nothing to reproach yourself for and you are not alone !❤️
I also have a question, how today, after having experienced this spiritual psychosis, do you manage to validate your spiritual experiences? (Spirit communication, astral projections, spirit flight...) What elements allow you to validate/verify your experiences?
Thank you so much!! ❤️
This is such a tricky topic in general! Something I try to always do is cross reference and talk to other people. If I have an experience that feels weirdly out of the box I’ll talk to as many people about it as I can to see whether it makes any sense. I think it’s especially important to talk to people you know will be honest with you. When it comes to spirit communication luckily I’ve never had any communication that felt strange or weird or dangerous. But I got a lot of replies that I didn’t expect so that’s how I can be pretty sure that it’s not just my subconscious talking.
@@TheNorseWitch With pleasure ! You have to realize that you were the victim and not the culprit ❤️
Thank you very much for your answer !
I will follow these good tips from now on !
I appreciate you sharing this story so much. I think this is such an important and responsible conversation to have, especially in the spiritual community because so many who are seeking truth are vulnerable people healing from their own traumatic histories. It is so so important that we recognize the role imagination and our filters are playing in what we are creating in our minds. We need to be testing what we believe to be true by any means we can, journaling, sharing with people you trust, sharing with strangers, and taking all the feed back seriously. We must compare our perceptions with the perceptions of others to find the objective truth. I went through a period of time where I believed some really unbelievable things due to having too much confidence in my imagination. I'm humbled by this now, properly. There is are rules I follow now. For something to be true, it must be True on three or more dimensions/perspectives. Additionally, before I decide to believe something that is originated from my mind, I get confirmation from three places. I don't know where and when it will come, but eventually, I bring it up in conversation, someone else brings it up in conversation, or I see it written somewhere. Once that happens several times, I decide that I can believe there is Truth to the thought or idea.
LARPing from what I've seen is a big thing in the "spiritual" communities like new age. I got pulled into it at one point. It was very weird and ungrounding in retrospect.
I know this video is from a while ago, but I just wanted to thank you for your courage and vulnerability. I know it will help many people to better understand and hopefully get help if they need it. ❤
Thank you for your honesty. I luckily never had an experience as uncomfortable as that, but back at the beginning of my practice i was desperate to learn more while my own intuitive abilities weren't clear or forthcoming. So i did engage in readings which told me some pretty wild stories about my soul about my spirit guides, my past lives, you name it. Luckily i was always very suspicious and never fully bought into these stories and finally i decided to never engage in seeking spiritual information like that from others but to wait until i myself have spiritual experiences, the validity of which i could better judge myself.
I relate so much unfortunately! The person who did this to me was definitely in psychosis, too. And he pretty much dragged me into his reality. I was also very in a vulnerable desperate time and he made me feel so special at first. When someone holds a lot of power within a community or is seen as a pillar, it almost feels like an honor to be with them. They seem so confident in who they are and it is a slow unraveling. He was extremely pathological and abusive and vindictive. He's done horrible things to people. I was no longer able to ask questions or have my own opinions. It was an extremely confusing time and he had so many blind followers, so when they were validating and looking up to him and not speaking up when he was abusive, I felt like I was the problem or insane one. I thought I wasn't experiencing my reality correctly when I felt I was in harms way and that ironically is exactly what made me slip into the abyss. I'm so glad you got out and are feeling clear now. I still have times where I split on myself inside and get confused again. Very scary.
thank you so much for sharing ❤ you’re so kind to share in the effort to help others be more aware
Thank you for this! As a beginner, this is very helpful! Not only for my interactions with others but also my own personal experiences! ❤
Oh I hope so much that this video will help! ❤️
Thank you 🙏🏾 I had a "friend" who I believe is slowly going into spiritual psychosis. He tried to love bomb me but I knew he was a narcissist already by observing him as a friend. He blocked me when I avoided his attempt. He also thinks he's a dragon. Be friends with these people for a very long time, most narcissists aren't playing the long game, some do, most don't, so their facade eventually cracks.
Thank you for sharing. You are brave and thoroughly appreciated.
You should be proud of yourself for talking about this. You are very brave. 💛
It took a lot of courage to share this. You did an excellent job and it was inspiring. Thank you so much for sharing.
We met and fell for similar people except he believed he was a god and became abusive and never got therapy. Your story has a better ending.
Thank you so much for this! There are so many similarities between my story and yours. My “spiritual healer” also believed she was the mother of dragons. I believed me and her had a soul contract to help other starseeds “wake up.” I would love to share my story with you. Spiritual psychosis is very real, and I want to bring awareness to it just like you are.
Thank you for opening yourself up and being vulnerable with us. I know it's not an easy thing to, and I genuinely appreciate you bringing attention to not only spiritual psychosis but also mental health within the spiritual community and how easy it can be for someone to take advantage of you if you blindly trust everything and everyone. My number one rule with witchcraft and particularly spirituality is: Question EVERYTHING. Every video. Every book. Every conference or conversation. Every spell and ritual and their outcomes. Everything. While believing in yourself and your magick is important in spell casting, a healthy dose of skepticism is necessary for your mental health and safety. Thanks again for being so vulnerable with us and sharing your experience.
I stumbled upon your chanel yesterday and i havent stopped watching your videos, I am so happy for you that you found the things that you deserved to truly have, I hope you're still happy to this day and for all days to come. I would absolutely 100% love to sit down with you and have some tea and talk about magick and runes .
Thank you for spreading awareness about this.
Thank you for sharing your story and experience. You did a good job showing how complex spiritual psychosis can be. One part that stood out to me is the clarity looking back and the sense of disbelief, like, how did I get roped into this? How did I not see what was happening? How did 6 months go by when it should have been clear by month 1? And wow, sometimes it really is just that complex. What gets me is that some people *know* they are lying. They are ill-intentioned and *purposefully* being manipulative. They are aware of what they are doing and they are purposefully doing it. On the other hand, there are people who are genuinely disconnected with reality. They may even have good hearts and kind intentions, but that doesn't make their beliefs real (real to them yes, but not real-real, if I can say that). Whether their intentions are good or ill, or whether they have some underlying condition or none at all, it can be incredibly difficult to tell. And, it can be so easy to be sucked in without knowing it. You think you're walking up a hill and turns out somehow you followed someone into a pit. Going down was easy. Getting tangled didn't even feel like that. But climbing out is always hard work. The majority of my life has been in Christian settings. There's been a variety of perspectives about "genuine spiritual experiences" and "how to discern." I'm familiar with those answers from a Christian perspective. I would be curious to hear more about your perspective on discernment. To be honest, I'm not aware of what spiritual experiences one can expect to have as a Norse Witch (or any practicing witch). I imagine there's going to be a diverse answer to that.
And a little about my experience/reality dilemma: I love fairies and other mythical creatures. I would love it if they were real. I can see them being real. I know there are people who believe they are real. What if fairies are real, but I've been trained not to believe it because of this materialist, modern world? What if I am disconnected from reality by not believing in them? BUT---what if they aren't real? What if it is all in my imagination? Is my fascination with them leading me to create a fantasy rather than connect with reality? If I ask certain people, they will tell me fairies are real, and if I ask others, they will tell me fairies are not real. So, it's like I can't depend on others to tell me what is real. And if I chose to believe or not, how do I make sure that it is a belief based on reality and not something else (like psychosis, etc)? How does one know reality?!?! LOL. I'm not expecting an answer. There are some things in reality that are easy to know and trust, but some spiritual/mystical things can be tricky. That's partially why I'm really curious to hear your insight on discernment.
Thank you for talking about this. This was super important to learn about so I appreciate you sharing your own personal experience no matter how cringy you may have felt. Kudos to being so brutally honest!!
This has made me feel much less alone with myself, thank you
Thank you for sharing your experiences, it’s very helpful to hear and important to talk about. We still love you ❤
Thank you so much for sharing! It's interesting how much your experience aligns with mine. I've also been in contact with a narcissistic guy who basically told me all these things: like us being soulmates and meant to be, how he's a Demonic God chosen by Satan and rules after Death over his own Kingdom, he heard voices (his 'demonic guardians') and so on. At first I was kind of intrigued because the person had some interesting stories to tell, but it took me 3 months to see through everything and recognise how serious he was about it. Nowadays I can't even comprehend how gullible I was, even though I never believed him everything, he still had my attention, which these kind of people don't deserve at all.
I'm glad we both learned from it to be more careful. Sometimes it can get reeeally tricky, especially in the spiritual community.
I feel there is a friend of mine who may be experiencing spiritual psychosis and has for years. Thank you for sharing this. 🌞
thanks for share, i think too this its a much common place in paganism, and truly thank you to tell your story, i know it could be embrassing, but its necessary specially for newbest in such things where the racionalism is put in doubt from the very begenning in this path, i think is so important for that a good critical eskepticism thinking putting in front, and a good partnership suporting with guidance. i knowing because i have had my own psycotic episode, again thank ypu
Wow this was triggering something very similar happened to me. Three years ago I had just started getting more heavily in spirituality and magic and wanting to meet people who are interested in the same stuff I don’t want to get into the long story but I also suffered spiritual narcissistic abuse from a chaos magician, who is fully convinced that he was a dragon. Like it’s so nice to hear I’m not the only person this happened to, I also had no self-esteem was desperate from attention for somebody thought that because he had 15 years of experience in chaos magic, then he must have some thing to teach me and I can learn from him, ignoring my own instinct and intuition. It was a very psychology and emotionally traumatic experience
Thanks for sharing!!! Learning a lot whith you ❤ from Brazil 🇧🇷
thanks for the video....spiritual psychosis may be very common today even outside the occult..
Struggling right now, I feel I have been through a huge dark night of the soul/Spiritual awakening, it also feels like there is or has been an element of psychosis to it at least recently. I am grateful for my progress.
thank you for your courage to post this topic,
Love hearing your story! Thank you for your vulnerability!
Thank you for sharing your story. You aren’t stupid for falling for a man’s manipulative tactics and enchantment of lies
It is so sad that this is a much more common occurrence in the spiritual community then people realize. Unfortunately it a place without good guidance can really cause issues for mental illness.
Something similar happened to me a long time ago!!! When I was 13
Good to know I'm not the only one.
oh my gosh this is making me feel so seen. i went through something similar: met some kind of spiritual narcissist online who was super confident in all his knowledge. he pushed his beliefs onto me and i had no defenses, he shaped me into the person he needed me to be to feed his ego... he told me he had visions of me being a seductive fairy in spirit world, that our spirit guides brought us together for a spiritual mission to save the world etc... i think he might've also been into a spiritual psychosis. and he pulled me into it as well. it was so scary and i'm still dealing with the traumatic impact... EDIT: THIS GUY ALSO TOLD ME THAT IN SPIRIT WORLD I WAS IN HIS TEMPLE/KINGDOM WHERE HE WAS A PRIEST/DRAGON !! with so much authority, i was his inferior in his temple & he 'protected' me in spirit world in his dragon form. thank you so much for this video, it feels incredibly validating to hear someone talk about going through the same thing. it feels so embarrassing to have been pulled into such delusions.
You don’t happen to be German do you? 😅
@@TheNorseWitch no i'm not!! from belgium & the guy from canada. luckily, it all happened online, never met him in real life. but the similarities between our experiences are creepy gahahah!!
@janne3982 yes exactly that’s why I was asking. It would’ve been crazy if it had been the same guy!!
One of my best friends went through it the week after my birthday.
Luckly our friend group and her family noticed quickly and her family was able to help her.
The sad part is that to this day her family thinks she took something in my birthday party of that I gave her something to trigger this :(
Thank you so much for sharing.
reading all the comments makes me a bit more calm about my experience.. i was and still am very concerned for my ex but the only thing for them is just believing that everything will come to them without doing anything and that the universe will do it’s thing… it’s still sad to see such a talented person waste their time on doing nothing but after reading what people wrote i think my ex will be fine
What an amazing video! Glad you shared it ❤
A lot of these kinds of people tend to be drawn to magick unfortunately, and the nature of magick seems to affirm their own internal states... I met someone at the beginning of my own path as a magician... She had been practicing for a few years more than me and had a self assured attitude with her practice. I trusted her because I thought, "Well she has more experience and seems to know what she is doing!" She had grand narratives in her head, that she was chosen by Hecate, that everyone she was close to was a twin flame she'd known in past lives, yadda yadda...
It's one thing to SAY you're experienced in magick for this amount of time, but it's also something to ask, how much of that time is actual time spent practicing? And how much of that practice is actually substantive and backed up by logic? I think that's why grounding, having a life (job, relationship, friends) outside of magick, and reflection/journaling are the most important things in a practitioner's repitoire.
Lon Milo Duquette has a great quote -- "Magick isn't my life. I have a life thank you very much! I just use magick to enhance it."
Hi, first time commentor. Long time watcher. But yes, I think I have had an experience with an ex that was similar to this. This was several years ago and I still puzzle over things to this day. I think things could have gone a lot further down a rabbit hole than they did.
Oh same! I‘m still 5 years later thinking about which of the things he told me were true and which were just caused by the voices he heard…
@@TheNorseWitch Yes, it's been about 5 years for me as well and because I bonded with a lover over the beginnings of a 'spiritual awakening' and she took me under her wing, its always felt difficult to pick which bits were mine and which bits were hers. But yes, I think she had a lot of trauma. I could see that and I don't hate her or anything like that because of it all. I think she hates me because of it all, but then, I'm still puzzling over it after 5 years. But yes, it was shortly after, while starting to pick things apart that I found out about otherkin and looked into the whole elf thing. That's died away to some extent, but I still wonder if it was real or, as you put it, LARPing.
I had my own bout with it. This was before TH-cam was really a thing and there just wasn't that much information online in regards to spiritual topics. Mine lasted over two years. Doctors said there wasn't anything wrong with me but every single day multiple times a day i was having these totally unreal experiences. There was the odd auditory hallucinations but most of it felt like the barrier between my mind and the reality around me had broken down. If I thought it then whatever it was seemed to find a way to appear immediately. For example maybe I was at the gas station buying a drink and I'd think about a certain make, model and color of a car i was maybe going to buy. As soon as i completed the thought I'd hear the clerk and a customer (people I don't know at all) talking about the exact same car in the exact same color. If that were an isolated incident then I'd put it in the coincidence category but this happened many times a day every day. It seemed like there were messages on the radio and tv. The strangest thing was it seemed like there was something talking through people that I knew when i was having a conversation with them. They knew things about me they shouldn't have known. They'd say cryptic things and then give a wimk or a smirk and it just didn't "feel" like they were the same person. The only way to avoid it was to be totally alone without listening to a radio or watching tv, so by the end of it I'd become a recluse. One day i just begged for it to stop because I couldn't figure out what any of it was for and yoi know what? It stopped. Right then. It had mimicked schizophrenia but I'm pretty sure you can't just ask that to go away which is why i don't think it was a mental disease of any kind.
great topic and important discussion, thanks !
I went through spiritual awaking and psychosis. ( I had a religious psychosis) I had demons ... I was damaged since my childhood... emotionally mentally physically verbally abused by my parents ( my stepfather has anti social personality disorder like narcissism) ...in my teenage sexual trauma , promiscuity... my body and brain and soul couldn't handle anymore. ..agonizing experience. . Saw Santa muerte in my dream I don't do witchcraft. ..
Pretty sure I’ve dealt with someone like this before- not necessarily in my practice (because this was before I started) but just as a friend.
He was older, my manager (🚩), and obsessed with the gym. Long story short; got me into it as well and would tell me things like I shouldn’t be running on the treadmill because my legs weren’t strong enough 🥴 he was the one with the actual physical limitation, not me. Oh the things I could say, but yeah the gaslighting and lovebombing were real with that one.
You’re my favorite new young pagan person, lady. Unfortunately, there are a lot of unhinged ppl in this especially when it comes to the dark side of things. Hazards of the trade. Many and most will lose sight of what they do and why they do it because results in purpose through workings should be what it’s all about. I, too just got out of a relationship (2 yrs back) with a narcissistic person. Yeah. Really fucked. But thanks for sharing.
Thank you for sharing I never talk about what happened to me because I feel like people will look at me crazy for dating a chaos magician, who believed he was some warlock dragon nonhuman God, or some craziness
The line between Spiritual psychosis and being spiritually enlightened is so thin man. Definitely can be hard at times.
Thanks for the video, really helpful
I had a pretty similar experience, when I was in a similar vulnerable state and just starting out to seek community after a couple years of being solitary. But the forum he was in was as a whole pretty toxic and we were in that online "coven" and forced to defend ourselves from others (who were mad about our coven claiming that there is no such thing as white or dark magic, that magic is just energy). Plus, he was on older white male with more experience than I, so of course he must be right (lol). He thought he was an elven prince and this human experience was awful to him and that my higher self was an angel. I got a bad feeling and broke it up after 2 or 3 months before ever seeing him in person. To this day I don't know if my higher self is an angel or not, but that doesn't matter much since I live a human life. However, I l have stayed away from the witchy online community since then, it left quite the shadow.
:) Literally my biggest fear is losing my mind. It was one of the things keeping me from exploring any kind of faith; my experiences can be so deep and meaningful, how am I to know whether it’s “magick” or psychosis? How do I know that things I’ve seen and experienced are actually real?
I don’t know. To be honest, I’m not sure I’m in a place right now where I want to know.
You are so beautiful. May the Gods bless your soul. Thankyou ❤
🥹🥹❤️❤️❤️
That is strange, I have an experience with spiritual psychosis and it also involves a man who believed he was a green dragon. He said he had 2 parts of his soul one part green dragon and the other was a blue owl
Wow😮… Thank you so much for being brave enough and share this experience. It is worthwhile. I never heard of « otherkin » before but « spiritual psychosis » is something very real… Fortunately, you’ve found your strength and self-confidence back and were able to free yourself out of this web…
ill listen to your story with open mind just because you said you will diagnose nobody you presented it with knowing the bounderie
I’m glad to hear your ex started going to therapy, I’m healing and it’s gonna take a long time but ultimately I do think my ex is extremely mentally ill so I don’t know how much I can actually blame him
This video was great but my problem with spiritual psychosis is that people throw it around for the littlest of things just because they don't personally believe in it, like Pop-Culture Paganism or practices get called psychosis all the time.
Some people can actually have deep connections to their path and spirits without going through psychosis, just because this isn't the medieval times that doesn't mean we can't have deep connections to the entities we work with.
The way I can tell if someone has psychosis is if they start acting reckless or if the stories are dangerous, the person might also believe that they are a chosen one where they are a lot more powerful then others or can do miracles.
Some stories are not spiritual physios, aka just because someone says they believe they are something and are not letting dictate their life in a reckless or dangerous manner and are just living their lives then they are either confused or they actually do have that connection.
I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL THESE ARE JUST SOME RED FLAGS IN GENERAL.
Not every culture is the same, so if your culture says you can't do one thing that doesn't mean other cultures can't do that either and that does not mean that it's physios and a lot of times this can become unintentional xenophobia or racist so be careful about that.
P.S. this is not an angry post I just see a lot of people throwing the term around like it's nothing without even having had psychosis before or they don't have any traning in the field which can be EXTREMELY dangerous. I'm not saying that's what's happening in the video this is for everyone who throw the term at anything they don't personally believe, IT IS DANGEROUS to just throw it around and can potentially harm someone.
Agreed! I’ve also met one other Otherkin person for example and I wouldn’t say they were in spiritual psychosis. This very specific example in this video got very very dangerous and out of hand so yeah I’d draw the same line as you!
I cannot tell you how desperately common your story is. I see it mostly in pagan circles, but it's definitely a thing in other religions. I just mostly have more personal, direct experience with pagans.
Most of my direct experience has been in a variety of Christian communities. I 100% agree with you that it isn't confined to just one religion or spiritual tradition. Mental illness and/or spiritual psychosis can show up anywhere. And it can be really hard sometimes to discern if someone is a genuine spiritual person or if there is something else going on. It would be nice if others came forward and were honest about the issue.
Hard core acim and neville goddard followers on here are f#$king SO many people up on here. So are others. I'm trying to recover without proper help available here in Indiana....and it's been beyond f#$ked up on top of trying to cope with my teen sister's death from a combo o.d. ......extremely traumatizing cotsd shit fr. Thank you for this video.
same here trying to recover from neville goddard and his coaches, i wish you all the best
@@asteriali you too. Truly 💖
yes it does help thank you.
I understand believe me. Please answer this question, other people I am sure will want to know about it too. I had been interested in Ceremonial magick. I know everything has to be perfect to be able to do a spell. I was told by a person I knew he would not teach me even if I bought everything from him to learn, Being he had a buisness for. He did not tell me why and I did not ask. In the past he had told me when you have depression and other related issues you have to be extra careful because spirits can try to take advantage of you if they see a moments weakness. But I thought thats what spirit guides are for. I have never met mine. What I worried about was two things. In my depression I would not be able to put all the effort out on bad days, or have the attention span for it or the discipline needed maybe. Do you find these things to be a problem? Do the Gods care? I have not watched this video yet, maybe I will see the answers, than
You can definitely be a magical practitioner if you suffer from depression. Soooo many people are! So no worries. You don’t have to always do stuff. I wonder why spirits should be able to take advantage of you simply because you’re depressed. I mean, you’d probably put your protections up on a good day and they’d be made in a way that they also protect you when you’re not giving attention to them… so I don’t know where that person was coming from with that idea. Sounds a lot like fear mongering to me
@@TheNorseWitch thank you, that makes me feel so much better. Like you were saying about trusting people,being careful who you are trusting. You are very helpful and uplifting type of person.
@carolynsager6069 I‘m doing my best ❤️ the whole purpose of this channel is to help people on this journey so I‘m happy whenever I can help ☺️
Meow gonna drink tea with you, also dig the glasses
Youre radiating such “safe space” i cant describe it differently. This even being about such sensitive subject, just listening to you brought me so much peace. Following🫶🏼💜
Echt schlimme Erfahrung hast du da gemacht ja, sehr wertvoll trotzdem, dein Video kann anderen helfen nicht blind alles zu glauben was ein anderer erzählt ❤ Danke hierfür.
Peinlich muss es dir nicht sein 🤗 jeder macht so seine Erfahrungen durch, jeder hat sein Päckchen zu tragen, bei niemanden ist alles eitel Sonnenschein. Wer keine Fehler macht, macht auch sonst nichts.
Boah, nur die ersten zwei Monate mit ihm waren schön, trotzdem hats leider sechs Monate gedauert, ganz genauso wie bei mir und meinem narzistischen, gaslightenden Ex 🤯 und ich wünschte mir auch, ich hätte früher Schluss gemacht.. nur halt nicht alles im spirituellen-magischen Kontext, er war ein Muggel 😅
Es ist halt echt schwer dich wieder zu distanzieren wenn man erstmal erfolgreich gelovebombed wurde :/
This is not talked about at all. Like I stated, I have mental health issues regarding Schizophrenia. Now, I hear only one voice. My so-called Spiritual Guide, who lies to me all the time. He/She says that it is part of the Dark Night of the Soul Process. And, I'm like ok, whatever.
This reminds me of the starseed community on TikTok...shits wild
I saw a dragon and I thought I myself was a dragon it’s crazy
I saw the dragon, too. She was floating by in the clouds, staring right at me. I looked at her. We stared at each other for at least a minute or two before she was gone. 😅
I understand how talking about this might feel awkward and embarrassing but my dear you have nothing to be ashamed of, this was no doubt a toxic relationship with elements of abuse and there is nothing shameful in being a victim/survivor of abuse. All the blame and shame lies upon the abuser!