Theres no shortage of techs, its the mechanics pay and flat rate warranty system, that stray them Away. Auto tech here that switched to become electrician, the “tool investment” is close to nothing compared to a mechanic, and the pay is 3 times if not more than a mechanic.
He's right 👆 in general the pay/bens/tools and the warranty system suck. You make more as heavy equipment or a tradie elsewhere. Incentive goes a long way and the industry doesnt give many.
Don't ever do any job because "it pays well, and has good benefits." You'll be miserable, and worse, you'll make everyone else, specially those with a passion for electrical work, also miserable.
@@ElectroAtletico You know what else makes people miserable? Not affording food or rent because mechanics make close to nothing. Be an adult and do a job you may not like because otherwise you may not make enough money to survive.
@@ElectroAtletico easy to say when your already in a good position. While stalking the mechanical channels on youtube and making comments and judging others about “passion” and just assuming peoples personalities and life circumstances. 👎
It’s the pay. Read the comments in any of the mechanic shortage videos. None of these videos interview mechanics. Just ask them why they hate their job. It’s always pay
Whats funny is that videos and news stories about tech shortages, they never interview an actual tech or mechanic. The new vehicles are not the problem. It's the pay system. Flat rate and warranty pay is a scam. I have almost 25 years experience, ASE master certified with L1, Toyota MDT, Kai Mazda Master Certified.
The pay system needs to change… and I’m not a professional auto tech. If the flat rate system changed and the manufacturer still paid a set number of hours for warranty work and dealers started losing out, I would imagine there would be pressure on the manufacturers from the dealer networks to change the way warranty work is paid. Not sure if it’s true or not but I read online that Toyota is only paying 13 hours for the Tundra engine swap, and they are sending a short block, which is just insane. Techs deserve a guaranteed rate IMO, and a good one.
We techs are here we are expected to be smart enough to fix you tech fancy car but think we are dumb enough to work for free. Low wages, warranty, manufacturers prices on trucks. Good luck independent mechanics will take over . Trade school is a joke even if you go there or not you will start at the bottom save yourself the debt
I know a kid that went to UTI after finishing the program he didn't even have his ASE's and they gave him a tool bag of husky tools...hes working at my buddies shop as a lube tech...
No brianer as why. Harder to work on Over engineered To many electronics for no freaking reason Parts quality sucks Factory parts and build quality sucks You need a PHD to trouble shoot some of the hidden gremlin problems. Shady techs give the good ones a bad name. The good techs are under paid and over worked. No sh*t they arent interested.
Most mechanics don’t even drive their dream car to work. Imagine doing what you love but not being able to fund it. F that. It’s why I became a EE. I’ll cry in a Porsche F a Toyota.
Point the finger of blame in any direction you wish but the truth of the matter is this career never has been and never will be a good choice. Talking heads have been selling the same ruse of techs in high demand and 6 figure incomes for decades and it’s never materialized. The game is rigged and the house always wins. Cars are depreciating assets and people do not want to invest into a loss. As wages inch up door rates skyrocket, when door rates skyrocket manufacturers increase warranty times, when warranty times increase after market insurance companies sell extended warranty’s, when warranty’s end and the customers can’t afford repairs they trade it in. So for the tech this always equates to doing more for less or nothing at all. Don’t waste 20 yrs of your life hoping this field is going to get better because it never does and it never will.
Starting Pay should be $80,000 per year. After 20 years should be paud $500,000 per year. I am a Heavy Diesel Mechanic and Automotive Mechanic in Suburbs Chicago Illinois. I have been at since 1983 year and 55 years old now. People will just be Ficked no one left to work on their Sheetbox Late model Junk. I have an AAS in Electronics Technology 1990 along with all ASE Master Mechanic and L1 Advanced Driveability Specialist. I want out soon.
Pay is the #1 factor. The other is constantly be pressured to conduct repairs as fast as possible. Currently I've closed my automotive tools box and pursuing a different career because I've got tired of my suggestion and concerns not be recognized. It doesn't seem help that the manufacturers don't engineer repairability into the equation when producing vehicles.
As a 15 year master tech, I cannot wait to exit this industry with my early retirement plan. Invest in crypto, so you can get out of this trash industry. I will be just fine fixing my own damn cars.
I used to be an auto tech for a Nissan dealership. They treat techs like dirt, they pay you peanuts, and they don't appreciate you. They only pay big bucks to the service advisors, and the sales crew. We are at the bottom of the barrel. We have to buy our own tools at our own cost. That's why I got out. One of the best decisions I have ever made in my life. It's better to work for a small business car repair shop or to open your own business repair shop, but those two are limited in the amount of people and businesses that can open up. Too much work for too little pay IMHO.
My nephew was trying to have a career as a tech and just couldn't stand it. Every shop was ran by shady a'holes forcing people to do jobs quicker and just running techs in to the ground. If job said 4 hours, they wanted it done in 2.5 and charge the customer for 4.
It's honestly just a bad investment of your time, money, mental, and physical health. Formal training won't provide you with all of the experience you need to make good money, that can only come with years of practice. You'll need endless tools that are expensive. All the while being overworked and underpaid.
Or a plastic cvt thermostat that raises the oil temperature via raising the coolant temp so slightly, the ecm logic is only programmed to determine a difference in all the various engine temp sensors that share the same wire, and the check engine comes on, limp mode, fixed timing, abs next via can, then chassis control warnings…. You’re not going anywhere my friend. Good luck trying to diag that one future man.
Its not a shortage of technicians, its a shortage of good businesses that are willing to pay for their knowledge and time as well as take care of them. It has always been about the pay and now the industry is eating crow for it.
It doesn't pay enough too buy a home. Modern cars suck to work on. Why go to work in a society that hates you. I fix my own cars. I’d never do it for a job. Service jobs just suck. Cause you can only charge what the average customer can afford. The scary thing most of the young males in my family don't know how to change a light bulb. Let alone be a mechanic or sparky. Raised by solo mum's so yeah not much hope 😂
a new mechanic starting off is only getting minimum wage and has to buy tools well mcdonalds pay is minimum wage and dont need tools and can become manager in 6 months making the same as a chief mechanic
I left the auto tech industry after 25 years. So we have all these issues. But it comes down to each of us who left or are currently working as an auto tech to fix it. We all talk and I'm not putting podcasts down because it's very important for others to see and hear about this. But we as techs have to either talk to managers and say if we don't get this and this or that then we are walking out on strike or leaving. Not saying this is the solution to fix all be all. Or even an easy one to say walk out. But it has to happen. One day without auto techs Even one dealership it will do a lot of harm. Like I said not saying this is the right Solution but there has to atleast be one. We can't just talk about it and hope it goes away and our issues are resolved. Appreciate the video.
9 years out of being a ford master.. converted to conveyor tech... i dont need to buy tools, they buy it for me ... i only have to do 40 hours, i get paid for every minute im in the building... i go home some what clean. F working on cars ..
these interviews will never say its a pay shortage and never interview a tech to see what techs have to say. Its always management or a service writer and I wonder why that is....
I've been a mechanic for over 25 years, started my career in the army as a heavy wheel mechanic at 19. Its the lack of money and the flat rate system. hell why spend all the time busting your butt training, learning a skilled trade, having to buy all the expensive tools and tool boxes you need when you can make as much money working less doing unskilled jobs. minimum wage and the cost of living keeps going up while our pay stays the same. you can get a job at panda express or home depot making the same and not go home covered in grease and smelling like fuel. I don't blame these kids for not wanting to start in this industry
There's been a shortage for a while even when I started 30 years ago. Typical with high cost/ low reward jobs, workers get tired and just find a new line of work. It is what it is - a starter and a fall back type of job for people with high mechanical aptitude.
The pay isn't worth it. The amount of work you have to do to replace one part on some of these new cars is ridiculous. The cars are ten times more complicated and take ten times as long to fix it. The cars are complete junk. It just isn't worth it anymore. Don't even get me started on the tool cost. If you dare step foot on a tool truck, you will be paying them for the rest of carrer. You end up upside at the end of the day.
Pay is the first issue paying mechanics $20-$25 a hour while charging a customer $125 a hour plus is criminal. Secondly knowledge you need to be able to completely diagnose computer systems to diagnose new vehicles, if you understand computers just work in tech, much larger earning potential and better working conditions, no college necessary.
an oil change takes more time u gotta remove the plastic panels before u can drain oil. then u gotta reset maintenance light and u gotta check engine air fikter cabin filter check fluid levels check brakes check suspension wiper blades check air pressure no oil change is 30 minutes unless u skip steps. inspecting the vehicles makes more money skipping ur inspection is losing u money. and it takes time to authorize work get the parts install. it takes more time. and if u find other issues u gotta get an estimate. its akot of work its nitt the 1960s
As in many other industries today, there are no living-wage opportunities at the entry-level, and at the pro-level there's no work/life balance because you're expected to do the work of two or three employees. At current inflation levels, if somebody isn't making $30/hr straight out of the gate, it actually costs more to pay for the education and transportation to have a job than the job pays. Good mechanics can make more working out of their own home garage than most shops will pay them. Smart techs are switching to 1099 contractor gigs and working for themselves. The balance has tipped, and those with the skills now have the power to refuse to work in dangerous, hostile environments for poverty wages. That said, there's no shortage of "No Habla!" barrio shacks popping up that somehow manage to avoid requirements to meet all the same regs and requirements as American-owned shops.
Flat Rate. It will wreck a great Technician. Instead of Care for the Customer, $$$ and Cost are what matter. When that happens, Customer Care no longer matters. Service Technicians no longer find a good reason to come back to work.
The pay and benefits as a mechanic is horrible that’s why I’m leaving after 20 years. You’re not respected in this industry. Heating and air conditioning get paid $100 and have a pension. You’ll never be able to retire well as a technician don’t do it. The problem with these videos is they’re not talking to the working technician, they’re talking to the shop owners. If you want to know why we’re leaving talk to the technicians.
dealerships only treat us as a number, after 9 years thats why i left, they dont care unless the are making them money and once that stops they dont give 1 fuc* about you. i made them money hand over fist and i went and asked for a raise....all the time makeing them more money year after year and they said once i asked for a raise i was "extorting" them. after i heard that i left....
Tool prices pissed me off.. the wages don't account for the tools and the government is useless like normal.. tax the work tax the part tax the fuel, tax tax tax.. i want a divorce 😂
Its simple they need to know alot more than there getting paid for and warranty work blows because the car company sets ridiculous rates so the car companies make out not the guy working on it its no wonder nobody wants to do it
I need a job, but I am white single and Christian 😂 Bet you still won't hire me The only thing I demand is a place to call my own and enough money to raise a wife and two kids 😂
Americans get confused, they dont know the difference between a mechanic and the Autotechnician. Mechanics is no one want to be anymore. This is the out dated job position. Autotechnician is what people want to be. The pay should be $45/hr and up. Most Autotech are working for someone else a few years, then he will have his own shop.
Theres no shortage of techs, its the mechanics pay and flat rate warranty system, that stray them
Away.
Auto tech here that switched to become electrician, the “tool investment” is close to nothing compared to a mechanic, and the pay is 3 times if not more than a mechanic.
He's right 👆 in general the pay/bens/tools and the warranty system suck. You make more as heavy equipment or a tradie elsewhere. Incentive goes a long way and the industry doesnt give many.
Don't ever do any job because "it pays well, and has good benefits." You'll be miserable, and worse, you'll make everyone else, specially those with a passion for electrical work, also miserable.
@@ElectroAtletico You know what else makes people miserable? Not affording food or rent because mechanics make close to nothing. Be an adult and do a job you may not like because otherwise you may not make enough money to survive.
@@ElectroAtletico easy to say when your already in a good position.
While stalking the mechanical channels on youtube and making comments and judging others about “passion” and just assuming peoples personalities and life circumstances.
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It’s the pay. Read the comments in any of the mechanic shortage videos. None of these videos interview mechanics. Just ask them why they hate their job. It’s always pay
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Nailed it. They always interview mangers or industry “experts”, ask the techs, pay is shit
Whats funny is that videos and news stories about tech shortages, they never interview an actual tech or mechanic. The new vehicles are not the problem. It's the pay system. Flat rate and warranty pay is a scam. I have almost 25 years experience, ASE master certified with L1, Toyota MDT, Kai Mazda Master Certified.
The pay system needs to change… and I’m not a professional auto tech. If the flat rate system changed and the manufacturer still paid a set number of hours for warranty work and dealers started losing out, I would imagine there would be pressure on the manufacturers from the dealer networks to change the way warranty work is paid. Not sure if it’s true or not but I read online that Toyota is only paying 13 hours for the Tundra engine swap, and they are sending a short block, which is just insane. Techs deserve a guaranteed rate IMO, and a good one.
The end result of wage stagnation
wages are still miserable for blue collars. Working conditions and hours also terrible. People are not stupid.
We techs are here we are expected to be smart enough to fix you tech fancy car but think we are dumb enough to work for free. Low wages, warranty, manufacturers prices on trucks. Good luck independent mechanics will take over . Trade school is a joke even if you go there or not you will start at the bottom save yourself the debt
I know a kid that went to UTI after finishing the program he didn't even have his ASE's and they gave him a tool bag of husky tools...hes working at my buddies shop as a lube tech...
I did a survey on the amount of videos that being an auto mechanic is great. I FOUND NONE!
No brianer as why.
Harder to work on
Over engineered
To many electronics for no freaking reason
Parts quality sucks
Factory parts and build quality sucks
You need a PHD to trouble shoot some of the hidden gremlin problems.
Shady techs give the good ones a bad name.
The good techs are under paid and over worked.
No sh*t they arent interested.
The head line should say dealerships want all of the profits. While keeping low paid technicians. That's the real issue.
Most mechanics don’t even drive their dream car to work. Imagine doing what you love but not being able to fund it. F that. It’s why I became a EE. I’ll cry in a Porsche F a Toyota.
Point the finger of blame in any direction you wish but the truth of the matter is this career never has been and never will be a good choice. Talking heads have been selling the same ruse of techs in high demand and 6 figure incomes for decades and it’s never materialized.
The game is rigged and the house always wins. Cars are depreciating assets and people do not want to invest into a loss.
As wages inch up door rates skyrocket, when door rates skyrocket manufacturers increase warranty times, when warranty times increase after market insurance companies sell extended warranty’s, when warranty’s end and the customers can’t afford repairs they trade it in.
So for the tech this always equates to doing more for less or nothing at all. Don’t waste 20 yrs of your life hoping this field is going to get better because it never does and it never will.
Starting Pay should be $80,000 per year.
After 20 years should be paud $500,000 per year.
I am a Heavy Diesel Mechanic and Automotive Mechanic in Suburbs Chicago Illinois.
I have been at since 1983 year and 55 years old now.
People will just be Ficked no one left to work on their Sheetbox Late model Junk.
I have an AAS in Electronics Technology 1990 along with all ASE Master Mechanic and L1 Advanced Driveability Specialist.
I want out soon.
work one day as a mechanic and see why they hate the minimum wage they pay them
That is not the problem. Pay is the problem. Not paying us for the work we do
Pay is the #1 factor. The other is constantly be pressured to conduct repairs as fast as possible. Currently I've closed my automotive tools box and pursuing a different career because I've got tired of my suggestion and concerns not be recognized. It doesn't seem help that the manufacturers don't engineer repairability into the equation when producing vehicles.
As a 15 year master tech, I cannot wait to exit this industry with my early retirement plan.
Invest in crypto, so you can get out of this trash industry.
I will be just fine fixing my own damn cars.
I used to be an auto tech for a Nissan dealership. They treat techs like dirt, they pay you peanuts, and they don't appreciate you. They only pay big bucks to the service advisors, and the sales crew. We are at the bottom of the barrel. We have to buy our own tools at our own cost. That's why I got out. One of the best decisions I have ever made in my life. It's better to work for a small business car repair shop or to open your own business repair shop, but those two are limited in the amount of people and businesses that can open up. Too much work for too little pay IMHO.
My nephew was trying to have a career as a tech and just couldn't stand it. Every shop was ran by shady a'holes forcing people to do jobs quicker and just running techs in to the ground. If job said 4 hours, they wanted it done in 2.5 and charge the customer for 4.
It's honestly just a bad investment of your time, money, mental, and physical health. Formal training won't provide you with all of the experience you need to make good money, that can only come with years of practice. You'll need endless tools that are expensive. All the while being overworked and underpaid.
It the pay. 60k-80k in SoCal. Cant even buy a house.
Yeah, while dealerships charge $1,000 to replace a radio. And that's not with a NEW radio, mind you, it's a refubished ACM.
Yeah but nobody can
Cars are unnecessarily complicated. The future will be full of mechanically fine cars that are in limp mode because of a sensor.
Or a plastic cvt thermostat that raises the oil temperature via raising the coolant temp so slightly, the ecm logic is only programmed to determine a difference in all the various engine temp sensors that share the same wire, and the check engine comes on, limp mode, fixed timing, abs next via can, then chassis control warnings…. You’re not going anywhere my friend. Good luck trying to diag that one future man.
Its not a shortage of technicians, its a shortage of good businesses that are willing to pay for their knowledge and time as well as take care of them. It has always been about the pay and now the industry is eating crow for it.
It doesn't pay enough too buy a home. Modern cars suck to work on. Why go to work in a society that hates you.
I fix my own cars. I’d never do it for a job. Service jobs just suck. Cause you can only charge what the average customer can afford. The scary thing most of the young males in my family don't know how to change a light bulb.
Let alone be a mechanic or sparky.
Raised by solo mum's so yeah not much hope 😂
14:40 "Today, its thinking" .... Hit the nail on the head right there. Too much PFAS in the water supply or some s*it.
a new mechanic starting off is only getting minimum wage and has to buy tools well mcdonalds pay is minimum wage and dont need tools and can become manager in 6 months making the same as a chief mechanic
I left the auto tech industry after 25 years. So we have all these issues. But it comes down to each of us who left or are currently working as an auto tech to fix it. We all talk and I'm not putting podcasts down because it's very important for others to see and hear about this.
But we as techs have to either talk to managers and say if we don't get this and this or that then we are walking out on strike or leaving.
Not saying this is the solution to fix all be all. Or even an easy one to say walk out. But it has to happen. One day without auto techs Even one dealership it will do a lot of harm. Like I said not saying this is the right Solution but there has to atleast be one. We can't just talk about it and hope it goes away and our issues are resolved.
Appreciate the video.
9 years out of being a ford master.. converted to conveyor tech... i dont need to buy tools, they buy it for me ... i only have to do 40 hours, i get paid for every minute im in the building... i go home some what clean. F working on cars ..
these interviews will never say its a pay shortage and never interview a tech to see what techs have to say. Its always management or a service writer and I wonder why that is....
I've been a mechanic for over 25 years, started my career in the army as a heavy wheel mechanic at 19. Its the lack of money and the flat rate system. hell why spend all the time busting your butt training, learning a skilled trade, having to buy all the expensive tools and tool boxes you need when you can make as much money working less doing unskilled jobs. minimum wage and the cost of living keeps going up while our pay stays the same. you can get a job at panda express or home depot making the same and not go home covered in grease and smelling like fuel. I don't blame these kids for not wanting to start in this industry
Monster motor is doing between 50 and 75$ an hour
That’s how you keep a mechanic
Tech shortages are caused by low pay, over priced tools, ripoff monthly subscriptions, poor customer attitudes and the list goes on.
It's really simple. I don't want to work on anything built after 2009. I'm glad I don't have to work in a place that requires me to do so any longer.
get a mechanic job at a factory and thank me later, better pay and benefits long term
There's been a shortage for a while even when I started 30 years ago. Typical with high cost/ low reward jobs, workers get tired and just find a new line of work. It is what it is - a starter and a fall back type of job for people with high mechanical aptitude.
The pay isn't worth it. The amount of work you have to do to replace one part on some of these new cars is ridiculous. The cars are ten times more complicated and take ten times as long to fix it. The cars are complete junk. It just isn't worth it anymore. Don't even get me started on the tool cost. If you dare step foot on a tool truck, you will be paying them for the rest of carrer. You end up upside at the end of the day.
Engineers are the problem they are just so dumb with making things overly complicated to fix
No shortage their is a shortage of skilled knowledgeable mechanics with tools
And people who will pay them
Pay is the first issue paying mechanics $20-$25 a hour while charging a customer $125 a hour plus is criminal. Secondly knowledge you need to be able to completely diagnose computer systems to diagnose new vehicles, if you understand computers just work in tech, much larger earning potential and better working conditions, no college necessary.
Better be an electronic tech first, then go for mechanics
an oil change takes more time u gotta remove the plastic panels before u can drain oil. then u gotta reset maintenance light and u gotta check engine air fikter cabin filter check fluid levels check brakes check suspension wiper blades check air pressure no oil change is 30 minutes unless u skip steps. inspecting the vehicles makes more money skipping ur inspection is losing u money. and it takes time to authorize work get the parts install. it takes more time. and if u find other issues u gotta get an estimate. its akot of work its nitt the 1960s
Only gunna get worse 😂
0:57 is footage of why the lador bill on your car repair bill is so high
As in many other industries today, there are no living-wage opportunities at the entry-level, and at the pro-level there's no work/life balance because you're expected to do the work of two or three employees. At current inflation levels, if somebody isn't making $30/hr straight out of the gate, it actually costs more to pay for the education and transportation to have a job than the job pays. Good mechanics can make more working out of their own home garage than most shops will pay them. Smart techs are switching to 1099 contractor gigs and working for themselves. The balance has tipped, and those with the skills now have the power to refuse to work in dangerous, hostile environments for poverty wages. That said, there's no shortage of "No Habla!" barrio shacks popping up that somehow manage to avoid requirements to meet all the same regs and requirements as American-owned shops.
To be honest, OBD2 scanners (and other diagnostic tools) have made it easier to (1) troubleshoot, and (2) repair.
LOL. Moron.
Just a note your audio Levels are All Over thé Placé 😊👍
Flat Rate.
It will wreck a great Technician.
Instead of Care for the Customer, $$$ and Cost are what matter.
When that happens, Customer Care no longer matters.
Service Technicians no longer find a good reason to come back to work.
Buying oil yourself and taking it to the garage is not acceptable here in the EU
The pay and benefits as a mechanic is horrible that’s why I’m leaving after 20 years. You’re not respected in this industry. Heating and air conditioning get paid $100 and have a pension. You’ll never be able to retire well as a technician don’t do it. The problem with these videos is they’re not talking to the working technician, they’re talking to the shop owners. If you want to know why we’re leaving talk to the technicians.
dealerships only treat us as a number, after 9 years thats why i left, they dont care unless the are making them money and once that stops they dont give 1 fuc* about you. i made them money hand over fist and i went and asked for a raise....all the time makeing them more money year after year and they said once i asked for a raise i was "extorting" them. after i heard that i left....
Tool prices pissed me off.. the wages don't account for the tools and the government is useless like normal.. tax the work tax the part tax the fuel, tax tax tax.. i want a divorce 😂
Me trying to make my way from corporate into becoming an electric / mechanical technician
Try Elevator Mechanic...Big $$$$$
Its simple they need to know alot more than there getting paid for and warranty work blows because the car company sets ridiculous rates so the car companies make out not the guy working on it its no wonder nobody wants to do it
Dealers getter be training their products, University of TH-cam
I need a job, but I am white single and Christian 😂
Bet you still won't hire me
The only thing I demand is a place to call my own and enough money to raise a wife and two kids 😂
🙂 its a wrap, you better plan accordingly a future that you dont have to depend on a car
This is the result of them convincing so many young kids that BS college degree was a much better option versus some blue-collar skill.
😂people can barely afford to fix the car to. Shit cost to much and you have to be a1 with diagnosis.
Americans get confused, they dont know the difference between a mechanic and the Autotechnician.
Mechanics is no one want to be anymore. This is the out dated job position.
Autotechnician is what people want to be. The pay should be $45/hr and up. Most Autotech are working for someone else a few years, then he will have his own shop.
You are just arguing semantics and that's going to get us nowhere.
What if you told me? Nothing. Because I dont know who you are :)
Dominoes pizza pays the same.