Not only trying to say it but also imagine trying to explain this to a person who is not willing to question his own ideas and views society as a system of oprressors and opressed... such a goddamned irresponsible prejudice
Any type of behavior from Even from 2016. state within chances of discount why!? approved for his creepy disgusted place stayed in vegas so tryout for las vegas and I'll call this bluff eating women children from grandchildren. Disqualified a wife before arrival. That power being said of graduation level is a negative spreadsheet from a closed out laborer. Joe Rogan kissed his rear naked chokehold. And lost my money from an animal to a loan shark waiting for asian communities. #Lovesbakery #Millenial #Cps #gymclassheroes
This guy is easily one of my heroes. He's so intelligent and knowledgeable, but instead of just publishing papers or writing books he's out there trying to influence dramatic political policies and stop neo-marxism from taking over. He puts his brain to practical use. I think at this rate he'll just continue to contribute in a major way to the dialogue about PC culture.
Hiearchy is necessary we all breath the same air and we all going to die one day.People that are of power are always going to lose power someday you can lose power and gain it as well
What i love about this great mind, 1) he does not insist on being right 2) he has great respect for Great Mystery: there is so much, regardless of our hubris, that we just don't know!
Same. He's very self-aware and understands that he, like the rest of us, is just another living being. Mystery is what drives us to explore and engage in further educating ourselves. Very respectable guy even though I don't agree with everything he says.
Lobster Heirarchies are no big deal until you find yourself in one, then you bloody well shut up and isten, or you'll find yourself on the outside. And the outside of the lobster heirarchy, that's no place you want to be.
So Bowser is the dragon of chaos of the dominance hierarchy, Mario is the male climbing that hierarchy to get the princess by slaying the dragon, I never knew nintendo was so deep!
I went to a wedding in Portland 3 months ago and I got into a conversation with some feminists at 4am after drinking all night and essentially told them the same thing: women created the situation, men gain status and power and Money because that's what women want. If there were no women to gain no one would be working 80 hour weeks moving up the ladder. Anyways, they kicked me out of the party LOL
A woman's test in life is material. A man's test in life is a woman...If a man could get laid in a cardboard box he wouldn't buy a house. Men don't buy exotic cars because they like them. Men are hunters and the car is the bait. Woman : "Hey, nice Porsche." Man : (mimics bear hugging something with his arms) "Gotcha bitch." - Dave Chappelle
@@wadesuhr thats not correct man , i buy a certain car because i like the fucking car , thats the line of tought that wont get you laid , mainly because you are trying to hard, feel free to disagree , im speaking from personal experience
No one's coming to rescue you, my guy But the relief in that is you don't need to rescue anyone else I tell myself that anytime my anxiety eats me, and I feel like I can't compete It sucks to see someone lose, but you don't have to rescue them Realizing that can unlock the strength you're holding back
Go and watch the full podcasts. Jordan has been on twice for 3 hours each time, and both are beyond incredible. I have NEVER heard Joe listen so much in any podcast, and I have heard most of his nearly 1000 podcasts. Joe loves to learn, and trust me he is learning a lot when he listens to Jordan.
HOLY FUCK this is some eye-opening shit. A lot of these points I've had in the back of mind, but never had them conceptualized let alone brought into conversation. That bit about white knights helping feminists, so that they can start their own hierarchy, is fucking brilliant.
Robynn Simone, so defending a woman's opinion, regardless of context, is "fucking right" every time, across the board? That's ridiculous. And if "that's not how it works holy fuck", then refute my claim, rather than acting like a child and using your feelings and curse words as your only rebuttal.
Krišjānis Barons, it doesn't matter what they are doing. Women cannot respect a man like that. They are reprehensible even to feminists. It is counter to our nature. Men who are masculine and assertive, not sneaky or pandering, even when they challenge us, are more attractive and sought-after.
@@Sukunasenpai-p4n I'd say men. Studies have argued that around 60% of men failed to find romantic partners. Women on the other hand don't have that problem. Even the most unattractive ones could easily get someone to have sex with. However for the men at the bottom of the hierarchy their chances of getting women to sleep with are none existent.
@@ITI-xi5zx Given that most of humanity is straight and cisgender, a psychologist who can't find differences between male and female sexual psychologies is not non-sexist, just incompetent.
@@ITI-xi5zx he's realist ....who emphasizes on reality rather than the morality and values drawn by feminists to favor themselves against the pattern of nature😛..
As a Torontonian having to pretend to be politically correct living in a completely leftist and feminized society, I have to say, Jordan Peterson is a breath of fresh air. I am proud that he is standing up to the nonsense going on in Canada. I don't feel so alone.
What exactly is a "feminized" society? Don't blame me, a woman, because Canadians voted for a government that promised to change their diapers for them from cradle to grave and had so much fun sneering at me, an American, about how backward and selfish I was for seeing Obamacare for what it was: complete control over my life along with lousy healthcare and the theft of MY money. You voted for Fidel Castro's son, a creep who came straight out of the WTO propaganda machine, and now after his true colors have been shown, you sit back and blame the sex that is the only reason every species on earth survives. Because females may select for whatever they feel will best supplement their own significantly larger contribution to the next generation, but they rarely want the sperm donor hanging around after that itch has been scratched - and for good reason. Besides, the biggest parasite in any society is called a "union", and nobody can honestly deny that those tantrum throwing entitled thugs are the epitome of masculinity. I mean, I have to pay for 10 years worth of some nobody auto worker's Viagra every time I buy a car.
Big Ron Partlow like cuttlefish. that's how the beta males get the females. through deception. tricking the male that won into thinking the beta is female. the alpha thinks he got 2 females while the beta mates with the female behind the alphas back. pretty sneaky and ingenious.
It’s the cold hard truth. Get confidence. Get to the gym. Speak and dress well. Be free from outcome and be social. Best chance to get girls is by climbing that hierarchy to the best of our abilities
If women have been selecting for men as described for all this time it means standards continue to rise as well no? If every man self improves to his limit, won’t it simply fuel competition further? In a system like this seems to me the tragedy of it is you’re going to have a few winners and mostly losers or fellows in the middle. There’s always going to be hierarchy and some people have no real chance of getting to the top though self improvement can certainly help to some extent.
Am I missing something? On the one hand Jordan emphasizes that happiness is strongly tied to where we lie on the domanance higherarchy. But on the other hand he bemoanes how the younger generations are unhappy when they don’t realize how well we have it with running water, electricity, modern medicine etc. I feel like there is a conflict of ideas here. If it is becoming harder and harder to climb the dominance hierarchy because of growing inequality one would expect general happiness to go down. And since our relationship to the dominance hierarchy is deeply rooted back to ancient evolutionary times (as Peterson emphasizes) it seems silly to expect that recent technological advances in health and medicine would override such a deep and primordial need to feel like we are making progress in a dominance hierarchy. In analyzing this conflict of ideas I think it is somewhat hypocritical of Peterson to bemoan younger people’s frustration with society when he himself so clearly emphasizes the connection to serotonin and the dominance hierarchy.
It has only become harder to climb when you believe it does not matter. Most of these young males are in the belief that it does not matter anymore. Too many are worried about superficial things that will not aid their development. Most young males today are nihilistic and do not believe in development.
yes, i agree with this thought, and that is one place which peterson perhaps doesn't fully understand. he is in many ways a privileged person (not talking bad about him), and this makes it more difficult for him to see the newer generations' struggles.
This has been floating in my head for awhile. If a human squared off against a lion with bare hands, it wouldn't even be close. It would would be ugly. Very very ugly. Even if you found the toughest strongest human in the world they'd end up looking like pulled pork. Same for other violent beasts like wolves or gorillas or hippos or bears or alligators. But we're not exactly living our lives in fear of those beasts, because our civilization has found ways to circumvent the clear physical advantage that powerful beasts have over humans. We use our brains, and our brains have created tools that keep those beasts at our mercy, if we haven't driven them to extinction. Isn't that the same thing as the post-modernists who circumvent the traditional dominance hierarchy? They're improvising despite their traditional physical and even moral inadequacies, and they're getting ahead in the short life that they have. It's annoying, but it's a naturally human thing to do, since our powerful brains are what set us apart from other weak animals that would be shredded to bits by almost any predator you can think of.
You just put my entire dilemma into words I couldn´t find myself. Thank you! My problem was, how do we determine if this phenomenon (men who are allies to the feminist movement) is a bad move or not, morally as well as evolutionarily. Again you put it better. :)
The hierarchy you listed about lions is predicated on power, not competence. Therefore I am inclined to believe it doesn’t contradict what JP is preaching
thank you for this comment. my exact thought process. but i would like to add to your idea that, improvising in the sense that you're talking about has been THE tool for our evolution as humans. i would say, our hierarchy as beings is far more complex from other species. Males always found shortcuts around the hierarchy, creating new skills, something new. and this by itself will create its OWN hierarchies, which males can also climb. however, it all boils down to one main hierarchy: creativity. in life, the person that is on top of the game is always the innovative person, the person that finds new ways to go around the problem. this can be found in all fields, wether in music, politics, sports, which are all made up human hierarchies by themselves. you can find people climbing them up with better skills, but who is on top of it is always the innovators, the people who go beyond the norms.
I like to talk. I'm pretty sure Joe does too. it's very rare that talkers are so stimulated by conversation that they are happy just to listen. How lucky are Jordan's students.
awesome. I've been thinking about this exact topic in my head for like the last couple months and this guy essentially said everything my mind came up with. different examples, but same idea. awesome.
Рокси Рокет He's a certified clinical psychologist who's transitioned into a professorial role and now teaches psychology. He works with patients to solve neurological and psychiatric issues like depression, eating disorders, and anxiety riddled problems. It's rude to take away from someone's educational background and prestige just because he's saving time by getting to the point instead of citing all his sources. He could easily get in trouble as a professor at HARVARD if he just made stuff up. I'm pretty sure he's got sources to back up his argument.
@Shashank Kumar Is there a scientific consensus on this? I've heard arguments for both sides, but it would seem that the decisive arguments would be gained from evolutionary biology, not philosophy.
Shashank Kumar You literally can’t be further from the truth. human intelligence was a positive feedback loop caused by sexual selection. Women used intelligence as a signal for good genes. Also your innate egalitarianism is a racist caricature of hunter-gatherers known as the noble savage. It is true that the hunter-gatherer tribes consist of about 130 to 150 people which would most likely be cousins, but even in those tribes men competed against other men For high status because women selected for the men who can provide more resources for their offspring which would make the offspring more likely to survive. And if your genetic lineage is on the line, murder doesn’t just get rid of a competitor you also acquire the competitors resources, so there would be a genetic incentive for it. Evolution would not favor A man Who wasted evolutionary currency raising another males offspring because they wouldn’t be his gene being transferred to the next generation. This would explain why most murders are committed by men against men Usually because of infidelity. And war along with cannibalism, rape, and infanticide existed throughout hominid Evolution. What these man we’re going to war with other tribes for was to illuminate the men and children and acquire the women. All of this is from the viewpoint of the genes, how could evolution select for “greater social cooperation” or group selection, if a gene arose within an individual that favored the group over that individual by definition would root itself out of the gene pool.
I feel like a bald cat with its hair standing up watching this video. It's so nice to see an intellectual conversation about religion / theology rather than it being mocked in the usual simplistic Santa Claus naughty or nice list version of your typical reductionist atheist.
Jordan Peterson is a blast to listen to. He's got a great attitude about admitting when he doesn't know something. The main problem with what he often says is that he relies on naturalistic fallacy. I mean - we don't shit in our pants. Not if we don't have to. Why not? Our asshole is naturally in our pants. And when he says this about western culture: "In the west... the ideal person, the ideal man is the one who tells the truth... That's the 'conclusion' of the west." There is no way he is that naive. I"m more inclined to believe that our gut bacteria dominate us in almost every way, but that's another discussion.
The male dominance hierarchy is also the moral matriarchy. Polygamy/polyamory leads to having more mothers and fewer fathers in common descent. Because biologically one male can reproduce with several females far more than one female with several males (polyandry). In polygamous species male-male competition and female sexual selection is more intense. Two offspring or zero offspring. In the Freudian primal horde, the jealously of the frustrated/exiled/castrated males for their mother/sisters is what gives them collective consciousness to murder, castrate and eat the tyrannical father. As Kronos did to Uranus, after Uranus hid the titans in the underworld but Kronos was protected inside the earth mother Gaia. In classic psychoanalytic theory the outcome of the Oedipal identification struggle leads to latency. Sexual passions are cooled as gender roles are taken on from the opposite parent and same-sex social bonding takes place. The ice age of ontogenesis. During the ice age Pleistocene, the transition to hunting primate being completed. Male cooperation on hunts for meat. The symbolic role of the father becoming individual moral authority for the group. To prevent aggression and incest which formerly was prevented by the actual existence of the father. Feelings of guilt from the deed repeated in sacrifice sanctioned by the group. For Freud, the male hero is the one who resisted the urge of his fellow men to urinate on fire and brought it back to the community, females. He slayed the serpent; Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to man in a hollow tube. The individual learns to renounce desire, sublimate genital pleasure, to make it into something productive for others. Opening the way to civilization where the economic patriarchy matches with the moral patriarchy. 🤔
I could listen to Peterson all day and night. Do you think he's a self aware narcissist that hides it well? Every psychologist has something wrong with them, and I've been trying to figure him out for the longest time.
Rio I don't think he's high in narcissism since he doesn't aggrandise himself. I'd say he's high in openness and agreeableness, simply wanting to increase general social knowledge. By doing this he increases his own status via relating to so many other people (most likely that part is unconscious/subconscious).
It's good to educate ourselves about these things, it's also good to educate others about them. Once we start DEMANDING that people change however, that is where the breakdown of communication begins.
Firstneim M. Lastneim - Isn't that what democracy is about? The majority demanding the minority to follow structures. Most of our society are based on such demands.
Considering the fact that all hunter-gatherer societies that survived to this day are universally egalitarian and that they do not have social hierarchies, where exactly is the evidence that male dominant hierarchies even existed before agriculture?
What evidence do you have that all hunter gatherer societies have no hierarchies? In actual fact most tribes do have a ranking system, for example every tribe or every group they have their chief hunter, even in animals like lions. That’s usually the “messianic figure” or the “ideal” or the “hero archetype” that we are naturally drawn to assigning/associate people with (be it conscious or unconscious). But with modernisation the hierarchies may not be as classical as it used to be, it’s no longer the strongest male or the fittest male (although having these traits may help slightly especially in the time of war) , it has perhaps evolved to the most competent male or female in that particular group or community (e.g at your workplace or what ever industry you’re in) . Where does this natural affinity come from? Who knows? It’s deeply embedded in us even we may not be conscious of it. It could stem from evolution or really that’s how Being is and what “God” or the “Universe” set us for us to do to ensure the survival of all living creatures
Jordan Peterson is the most supreme elder I've ever seen, and i am probably only minutely cogniscient of his wise old man depth- no one can see what his saying in the light from which he's communicating it
A form of the "Sneaky Fucker" syndrome, basically. Observed in other primates as well. Sneaky but it works for them, therefore is just as valid in nature.
If you really listen to what he's saying you begin to understand why he's so emotionally invested in it. These are some of the most sophisticated conclusions of metaphysical concepts that you'll ever hear. Sadly the majority of people who hear it don't grasp the most significant pieces of it.
I understand the biological need and function of it, but I have seen its inneficiency - people use hierarchies to fight for their positions (just using power, not merit or competence), they have a big advantage in terms of quick judgements (their position works as a stronger argument than their actual competence) and they give way to a whole new class of people that just spend work in creating the illusion of their position hierarchy or just can produce their position in a hierarchy as a reason why they are right, instead of an actual argument or any valid insight. I've been on both sides of these tricks (both unjustly benefited from my position and had trouble because of it not being sufficient, despite being right at the time), but I am not sure that dominance hierarchies are the best thing that we as a species should use in the long term. I understand the need to differentiate strategic and tactical personel, but overall I would hope to see them evolve into something better - so I do look at them as a partially vestigial thing
Paulo José bro I don't think I understand. How can we measure or make it tangible, this idea Social ----domaince hearichy ? Or maybe I do get it, so if i become a billionaire would i reach a high level of the hierarchy?
Jdbxhx Bsbsbsjxhd in a sense yes. you would be more appealing to women because you can offer stability, security, and whatever she needs when raising a child. money isn't the only way of course, but it's still an effective one.
Jordan has a point, but I worry that he's really just becoming an apologist for the status quo. I've followed his work for about 18 years and I respect him a lot, but he knows darn well that the dominance hierarchy is not a flawless mechanism for selecting heroes. As JBP himself has noted in the past, "classical male structures," as Joe put it, are quite often corrupt as hell, and tyrannical, because skilled liars can easily rise to the top of them. Maybe even more easily than heroic people can. And lots and lots of people are experiencing that these days. Even if it's convenient to blame it on our political opponents, we're all feeling it. And we should remember that things like feminism and other left-wing ideologies didn't just appear out of nowhere. They emerged as reactions to the tyrannical aspects of our civilization, which are still very much alive today. No one is immune to corruption, of course, and that includes feminists & lefties as well as conservatives. It includes anyone with a vested interest in any particular outcome. He says it himself, communists and nazis are equally bad. So, no matter your politics, the moment we start #resisting and opposing things, all human beings tend to get caught up in fighting the good fight and the truth gets lost in the battle. We focus so much on our enemies that we forget to be self-critical & self-reflective, and we forget that our enemies are also human. JBP teaches that it's important to listen to our enemies. And yet ever since he went "viral" he's been so caught up in calling out post-modern neo-marxist feminists on their corruption, that he's glossing over staggering levels of BS in the social system they're resisting--the one he is defending, whether he's aware of it or not. And of course, most of the lefties think he's the devil incarnate, and everyone's at each other's throats while the world burns. Indeed, the first casualty of any war, even a culture war, is the truth. And so now here we stand at the precipice of total social collapse. No one can tell what's real, because we're drowning in bullshit; and if you think you know what's real these days with any kind of certainty, then I can almost guarantee that you're fooling yourself. None of it's going to end until we all learn to stop and take a good long look in the mirror, and consider what our opponents have to say. And this applies most of all to those of us who are intelligent, well-spoken, and in the public eye.
@@antoniusmilesdale6120 and there you have it folks, the lowest common denominator of JBP's fanbase. Illiterate and incapable of engaging in any actual debate, but so desperate to feel important and smart they blindly regurgitate all of JBP's talking points with no critical analysis. "uR jUsT dUmB! hE's ThE SmArTeSt MaN of OuR GeNeRaTiOn! ShUdUp DuMMi" JFC....
Anyways, completely agree with you Andre. Ever since his Vice interview blew up I've seen JBP for the con-artist he is. And fanbois like Antonius over here who blindly follow whatever he says (and blindly hate whatever he tells them to) are the scariest thing about his meteoric rise. He back-peddles over everything he says when called out, especially when it might cut into his bottom line. IE: The Kavanaugh tweet.
Questions: 1. What about married men 2. What about gay men Seems like women are the main reason men want to climb, according to him. What about #1 and #2
To Jordan Peterson: you should create modules with you content and order them sequentially. This would help a diverse set individuals hear what you have to say and be able to judge it for themselves, rather than be guided by propagandist activity that may not be in their best interests. Hope you read this - and thank you for articulating in these videos the ideas many have been considering.
Be Ing, but the genders are not equal. Striving to make women physically equal to men is a futile endeavor. Likewise, trying to make men as instinctively nurturing as women is also an exercise in futility. We've evolved like the sexes of almost all other mammals in nature, and that's to be complimentary, not equal.
to extend while acknowledging your truth the object is balance; do you deny wage equity for the same job? you can always look to the differences but they are much smaller than the similiarilites; we share much is common!
Peterson has gotten better at talking like a human being. His previous appearance was robotic and hard to follow but he seems warmer here and I followed his discussion better because of it.
Two things I would enjoy clarification on: First, you say at the end that the hero "finds and claims the virgin," which implies something other than choice on the part of the human female. Second, there's a classroom lecture where you say that you've long thought on why nature is depicted as female, i.e. "mother nature", and you said you believe it's because "nature selects", but here you say female chimps don't select their mates. (I guess you could say though that women aren't actually choosing, it's more like they're programmed to find certain male traits desirable, which traits are themselves programmed by our biology through natural selection, so in the end, nature selects. Which I guess is a third thing I would like clarification on, since you say here that natural selection and sexual selection are two distinctly important parts of evolution, when it seems, as I explained, that they're the same thing.) Whenever you can get back to me would be great. Thanks Jordan. Your friend, Marc B.
What I don’t get is the exclusion of females from this “hero” culture and from dominance hierarchies. In Peterson’s narrative they only operate as mate-selectors. But what about competitive/driven women who rise to prominent positions? Can women not also fulfill the role of a “hero?” How is this explained if they’re taken to be selectors only? And it’s not good enough to say, “Well it’s *traditionally* been men.”
Funny thing is I never really heard of the guy except MGTOW vids and feminist complaints...I'm neither so never saw more than snipets for either sides argument. Guy's a genius and has a lot of good stuff in his talks. Can't believe some think it's hate speech or dangerous. Only thing I see as dangerous is the silencing of such speech but welcome to 2020.
But animals also bargain with the future. For example superstition has been shown in animals like Pigeons, fair play and trade in Chimps and Rats etc. So I think it's wrong to say we were Chimps then learned about the future and to bargain with it. I think that's inherent in animals too. They are also self aware. Oh and we've been using drugs since before we were homo sapiens most likely. Far longer than 125000 years. There are species of primate with common ancestors to us that use drugs like Lemurs using cyanide secretions from Caterpillars. Reindeer also use psychadelic mushrooms. Chimps do choose mates aswell. Just not necessarily hierarchical choice like humans.
TheTaterTotP80 oh you’re right! When are you going to start posting videos on these topics mister Tot, you’re clearly more knowledgeable on this topic than a guy who’s devoted his life to it lol.
lol I love how deep this goes only to come back around to what I've thought all along...which is that the far left liberal mindset stems from insecurity.
He had me hooked right up till he said "sneaky allies" right at the end. The idea that a man who is pro feminist cant compete in traditional hierarchy any other way so they choose to side with women is a bit of a stretch isnt it? Dismissing men who side with feminism as effectively just trying to become a better choice for mating is a little unrealistic.
Carla Theriault Because of competition ... motivates everyone to do the best, and pursue ideals in the classical sense. When everyone wants to be the best, the whole society benefits. In contrast, in a post-modern world, the ideals are deconstructed to the point where no one agrees on anything because there's no unifying force. Its selfish and nihilistic.
Sure, people cooperate in any case. Who wouldn't be in favor of people working together? Game theory is generally applied to the competition in markets, so I'm not quite sure if it can be an effective tool to analyse society. The classical hero is actually a person who would want to benefit everyone ultimately, as a king without the support of masses gets hanged.
Competition may be selfish, but it is a necessary component of society. Eliminate competition and you would basically get nothing done. Don't forget that competition is at play at every point in our lives, beginning from childhood; competition between siblings, in school and so on. It gives us this drive to constantly improve ourselves. You said that ".... slave revolts, overthrow of monarchies ... did not come from wanting to be the best.", but you forget how societies achieved all that in the first place. That latter part was meant to expose postmodernism. As I understand it, it is a skepticism towards grand narratives, idelogies etc. A society which seems to have embraced all that - a departure from absolute ideals (moral relativism) - is imminently headed towards decadence. What will such a society unify upon? How can you mete out absolute justice without absolute ideals? That is what I meant by deconstruction, where everything is interpreted according to one's tastes and comforts. In other words, a society seeking more convenience above everything else.
Just watched this after watching a bit of the Joe Rogan podcast with Adam Conover, that last bit he was talking about the sneaky guys who can't compete on the male dominance hierarchy was very apt.
This guy is really good at explaining things that I get frustrated trying to say.
Learn to better articulate your ideas and you will climb up the hierarchy.
Just wanted to give you props, dude. Great job in formulating this thought.
Yes he certainly is! Discovered him in 2018. Changed my mindset on life
Not only trying to say it but also imagine trying to explain this to a person who is not willing to question his own ideas and views society as a system of oprressors and opressed... such a goddamned irresponsible prejudice
that's cause he knows A LOT more than us
I cannot get over the fact that the video starts with "hello freak bitches" then Jordan Peterson getting right into it. Wow Internet.
hahaha true lmao
Yea that threw me off
Any type of behavior from Even from 2016. state within chances of discount why!? approved for his creepy disgusted place stayed in vegas so tryout for las vegas and I'll call this bluff eating women children from grandchildren. Disqualified a wife before arrival. That power being said of graduation level is a negative spreadsheet from a closed out laborer.
Joe Rogan kissed his rear naked chokehold. And lost my money from an animal to a loan shark waiting for asian communities.
#Lovesbakery
#Millenial
#Cps
#gymclassheroes
@@advancedprototype9669 What. Seriously.
OO OO AHH AHH HELLO FREAK BITCHES…… knowledge
This guy is easily one of my heroes. He's so intelligent and knowledgeable, but instead of just publishing papers or writing books he's out there trying to influence dramatic political policies and stop neo-marxism from taking over. He puts his brain to practical use. I think at this rate he'll just continue to contribute in a major way to the dialogue about PC culture.
Except he has published hundreds of papers and written a number of books.
But is he correct about what he says.
@@paulc7138 yes. his h-index is 56 which is quite high
Hiearchy is necessary we all breath the same air and we all going to die one day.People that are of power are always going to lose power someday you can lose power and gain it as well
It;'s amazing this is the Longest I've heard Joe not Speak. Forget that he was even interviewing Jordan.
He's probably buzzing like a cheap speaker.
@@shessoheavy6130 Or Joe was actually interested and listening to what he had to say
@@joegastly6166 hmm...maybe. I was using levity, btw.
He went silent with Edward Snowden too.
Notice how when he did speak, it was either one of these 2 things;
1. Genuine philosophical dialectic with actual intrigue.
2. "Wow."
What i love about this great mind,
1) he does not insist on being right
2) he has great respect for Great Mystery: there is so much, regardless of our hubris, that we just don't know!
Same. He's very self-aware and understands that he, like the rest of us, is just another living being. Mystery is what drives us to explore and engage in further educating ourselves. Very respectable guy even though I don't agree with everything he says.
i think that only dumb people need to brag about how much they know. an intelligent person knows that they really dont know almost anything.
Lobster Heirarchies are no big deal until you find yourself in one, then you bloody well shut up and isten, or you'll find yourself on the outside. And the outside of the lobster heirarchy, that's no place you want to be.
I like how Peterson's main speech mannerisms are turning into bonafide memes at this point. It's quite lovely.
And that's NO JOKE.
hahahahahaha
Floris 😂😂😂
Fuck that, I won’t even mess around with the lobster hierarchy. That shit is real.
So Bowser is the dragon of chaos of the dominance hierarchy, Mario is the male climbing that hierarchy to get the princess by slaying the dragon, I never knew nintendo was so deep!
The best part was Joe Rogan shutting the fuck up and letting this guy complete his thought.
Pascal Blaise I liked his input at the end. It really synthesised a real world example, and he said it really nice too. On ya Joe
Usually he doesn't interrupt if the idea being spoken is actually interesting and merits not being interrupted.
he always has the last word to display his higher status in the dominance heirarchy
LOLD hard at this comment because its so damn true.
Pascal Blaise I agree joe talks way too much when he thinks he’s the smartest one in the room
I went to a wedding in Portland 3 months ago and I got into a conversation with some feminists at 4am after drinking all night and essentially told them the same thing: women created the situation, men gain status and power and Money because that's what women want. If there were no women to gain no one would be working 80 hour weeks moving up the ladder. Anyways, they kicked me out of the party LOL
A woman's test in life is material. A man's test in life is a woman...If a man could get laid in a cardboard box he wouldn't buy a house. Men don't buy exotic cars because they like them. Men are hunters and the car is the bait. Woman : "Hey, nice Porsche." Man : (mimics bear hugging something with his arms) "Gotcha bitch." - Dave Chappelle
@@wadesuhr Than that's the wrong bitch!
@@notoriusdrifter40 Talk to Dave Chappelle
@@wadesuhr What do you mean?
@@wadesuhr thats not correct man , i buy a certain car because i like the fucking car , thats the line of tought that wont get you laid , mainly because you are trying to hard, feel free to disagree , im speaking from personal experience
Jordan Peterson is META-ADMIRABLE.
Lol love it
These kinds of guests at Joe Rogan stimulate my brain.. I knew there was something else out there besides the Kardashians
That moment you realize even the TH-cam comments section is a dominance hierarchy 😥
You must be one of those guys who can't compete,
@@noelr6814 What are you talking about?
@@noelr6814 nah, i think hes just pointing it out
No one's coming to rescue you, my guy
But the relief in that is you don't need to rescue anyone else
I tell myself that anytime my anxiety eats me, and I feel like I can't compete
It sucks to see someone lose, but you don't have to rescue them
Realizing that can unlock the strength you're holding back
Very Sneaky
Go and watch the full podcasts. Jordan has been on twice for 3 hours each time, and both are beyond incredible. I have NEVER heard Joe listen so much in any podcast, and I have heard most of his nearly 1000 podcasts. Joe loves to learn, and trust me he is learning a lot when he listens to Jordan.
Aren’t you fucking special. Lol
why does this feel like an AI comment
@@Kaizen747 because everyone is reading and regurgitating some fucking remix of the same damn comment lol
HOLY FUCK this is some eye-opening shit. A lot of these points I've had in the back of mind, but never had them conceptualized let alone brought into conversation. That bit about white knights helping feminists, so that they can start their own hierarchy, is fucking brilliant.
Cris_Cringle that's not how it works holy fuck it's called men doing what is fucking right
sounds like robynn got tricked
Robynn Simone, so defending a woman's opinion, regardless of context, is "fucking right" every time, across the board? That's ridiculous. And if "that's not how it works holy fuck", then refute my claim, rather than acting like a child and using your feelings and curse words as your only rebuttal.
Krišjānis Barons, it doesn't matter what they are doing. Women cannot respect a man like that. They are reprehensible even to feminists. It is counter to our nature. Men who are masculine and assertive, not sneaky or pandering, even when they challenge us, are more attractive and sought-after.
Please take what he says with a grain of salt.
the virgin postmodernist vs the chad saint george
I love how, unlike many other interviewers, Joe just knows when to shut the hell up and listen! :)
What a brilliant man. I've gone months accumulating the amount of insight he provides in ten minutes.
“The dominance hierarchy is a mechanism that selects heros and then breeds them.”
Men or women
@@Sukunasenpai-p4n I'd say men. Studies have argued that around 60% of men failed to find romantic partners. Women on the other hand don't have that problem. Even the most unattractive ones could easily get someone to have sex with. However for the men at the bottom of the hierarchy their chances of getting women to sleep with are none existent.
The world is a cold place for an honest man. No mercy. It all comes down to that.
He's not honest, he's sexist
Michael Covington all men are sexist all man shall be slain within 10 radius of FBI agents
These replies escalated quickly! The ideal man isn’t a liar, to be sure.
All men are sexist? Says who?!!! LOLOL
@@ITI-xi5zx Given that most of humanity is straight and cisgender, a psychologist who can't find differences between male and female sexual psychologies is not non-sexist, just incompetent.
@@ITI-xi5zx he's realist ....who emphasizes on reality rather than the morality and values drawn by feminists to favor themselves against the pattern of nature😛..
Jordan is a genius. a Modern merlin to every wannabe king arthur.
Peterson is a dragon slayer. Maybe the only one left in academia.
Look into Thomas Sowell.
Peterson looks like a dried up worm in the summer sun.
Check out Gad Saad also
As a Torontonian having to pretend to be politically correct living in a completely leftist and feminized society, I have to say, Jordan Peterson is a breath of fresh air. I am proud that he is standing up to the nonsense going on in Canada. I don't feel so alone.
What exactly is a "feminized" society? Don't blame me, a woman, because Canadians voted for a government that promised to change their diapers for them from cradle to grave and had so much fun sneering at me, an American, about how backward and selfish I was for seeing Obamacare for what it was: complete control over my life along with lousy healthcare and the theft of MY money. You voted for Fidel Castro's son, a creep who came straight out of the WTO propaganda machine, and now after his true colors have been shown, you sit back and blame the sex that is the only reason every species on earth survives. Because females may select for whatever they feel will best supplement their own significantly larger contribution to the next generation, but they rarely want the sperm donor hanging around after that itch has been scratched - and for good reason. Besides, the biggest parasite in any society is called a "union", and nobody can honestly deny that those tantrum throwing entitled thugs are the epitome of masculinity. I mean, I have to pay for 10 years worth of some nobody auto worker's Viagra every time I buy a car.
I love the look on Jordan's face at the end...."Sneaky." You can see the disgust. It's awesome.
Big Ron Partlow like cuttlefish. that's how the beta males get the females. through deception. tricking the male that won into thinking the beta is female. the alpha thinks he got 2 females while the beta mates with the female behind the alphas back. pretty sneaky and ingenious.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 beta males don't get females though
Feminism needs to die.
@@Profile.4 Thats what they want you to think lol
@@thatdaddyal haha no...they don't. I know plenty of them. If they do they're fat disgusting females. Not the ones an alpha wants.
I am going to dominate the TH-cam Hierarchy.
Sorting Myself Out ...not if I do it first !
Let's do it together
Got any plans for your genetic contribution? Asking for a friend.
Over my dead body
Shut up betas, I already did it. Move on.
It’s the cold hard truth. Get confidence. Get to the gym. Speak and dress well. Be free from outcome and be social. Best chance to get girls is by climbing that hierarchy to the best of our abilities
If women have been selecting for men as described for all this time it means standards continue to rise as well no? If every man self improves to his limit, won’t it simply fuel competition further?
In a system like this seems to me the tragedy of it is you’re going to have a few winners and mostly losers or fellows in the middle. There’s always going to be hierarchy and some people have no real chance of getting to the top though self improvement can certainly help to some extent.
@@BlindBisonthis is def tragic but it’s reality
I think Rogan is totally comfortable with his position here, which just shows he's in the hierarchy. Both him and Peterson = heroes.
This guy made me want to read the dictionary. Now, everyone accuses me of being a narcissistic and pretentious person. Thank you.
Am I missing something? On the one hand Jordan emphasizes that happiness is strongly tied to where we lie on the domanance higherarchy. But on the other hand he bemoanes how the younger generations are unhappy when they don’t realize how well we have it with running water, electricity, modern medicine etc. I feel like there is a conflict of ideas here. If it is becoming harder and harder to climb the dominance hierarchy because of growing inequality one would expect general happiness to go down. And since our relationship to the dominance hierarchy is deeply rooted back to ancient evolutionary times (as Peterson emphasizes) it seems silly to expect that recent technological advances in health and medicine would override such a deep and primordial need to feel like we are making progress in a dominance hierarchy. In analyzing this conflict of ideas I think it is somewhat hypocritical of Peterson to bemoan younger people’s frustration with society when he himself so clearly emphasizes the connection to serotonin and the dominance hierarchy.
It has only become harder to climb when you believe it does not matter. Most of these young males are in the belief that it does not matter anymore. Too many are worried about superficial things that will not aid their development.
Most young males today are nihilistic and do not believe in development.
Only if you accept the claim that it has become harder to climb the hierarchy.
yes, i agree with this thought, and that is one place which peterson perhaps doesn't fully understand. he is in many ways a privileged person (not talking bad about him), and this makes it more difficult for him to see the newer generations' struggles.
@@bighands69 I agree with you that nihilism can make it harder to climb the dominance hierarchy, but so can inequality.
I had to listen to this twice it's so insightful
I can't wait for Dr. Peterson and Tim Ferriss to join forces and make the ultimate book: "4-Hour Top Lobster"
This guy is a national treasure
This has been floating in my head for awhile.
If a human squared off against a lion with bare hands, it wouldn't even be close. It would would be ugly. Very very ugly. Even if you found the toughest strongest human in the world they'd end up looking like pulled pork. Same for other violent beasts like wolves or gorillas or hippos or bears or alligators.
But we're not exactly living our lives in fear of those beasts, because our civilization has found ways to circumvent the clear physical advantage that powerful beasts have over humans. We use our brains, and our brains have created tools that keep those beasts at our mercy, if we haven't driven them to extinction.
Isn't that the same thing as the post-modernists who circumvent the traditional dominance hierarchy? They're improvising despite their traditional physical and even moral inadequacies, and they're getting ahead in the short life that they have. It's annoying, but it's a naturally human thing to do, since our powerful brains are what set us apart from other weak animals that would be shredded to bits by almost any predator you can think of.
You just put my entire dilemma into words I couldn´t find myself. Thank you! My problem was, how do we determine if this phenomenon (men who are allies to the feminist movement) is a bad move or not, morally as well as evolutionarily. Again you put it better. :)
The hierarchy you listed about lions is predicated on power, not competence. Therefore I am inclined to believe it doesn’t contradict what JP is preaching
thank you for this comment. my exact thought process. but i would like to add to your idea that, improvising in the sense that you're talking about has been THE tool for our evolution as humans. i would say, our hierarchy as beings is far more complex from other species. Males always found shortcuts around the hierarchy, creating new skills, something new. and this by itself will create its OWN hierarchies, which males can also climb.
however, it all boils down to one main hierarchy: creativity.
in life, the person that is on top of the game is always the innovative person, the person that finds new ways to go around the problem.
this can be found in all fields, wether in music, politics, sports, which are all made up human hierarchies by themselves. you can find people climbing them up with better skills, but who is on top of it is always the innovators, the people who go beyond the norms.
This was fantastic. I subscribe to JRE for conversations like these.
lol. This nigga here
I would, if Joe wouldn't be so unbearable to listen to.
wasn't much of a conversation lol
I like to talk. I'm pretty sure Joe does too. it's very rare that talkers are so stimulated by conversation that they are happy just to listen. How lucky are Jordan's students.
Joe`s like a stoner getting intellectually run over, " wow, sneaky."
classic7890 joe is rather much more intelligent than people think
I finally followed this concept start to finish, wow
He is so good at explaining things you could almost say he is a hero
awesome. I've been thinking about this exact topic in my head for like the last couple months and this guy essentially said everything my mind came up with. different examples, but same idea. awesome.
Joe.. you need to make "Mondays with Peterson" or something.
I could listen to Jordan all day. There should be a radio PetersonFM.
Damn, this monologue is powerful
Oh my how I wish I could have a conversation with this guy! He's smarter than any person I ever met.
what would you ask him?
He’s about to die.
@@cydra-evolution5623 No he's not.
he sounds like a woke Kermit the frog
Lmao
HAhahahaha I can't unhear that now... loooool... When I just close my eyes and invision Kermit spewing that wisdom out.. Loool...
Best TH-cam comment I've ever seen
😂😂
You are a genius
Today's Philospher, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Today's Psychologist, ladies and gentlemen, ftfy
I mean he's a psych professor, so I think that's an important distinction.
Can be both a psychologist and a philosopher. In many cases they're closely related.
He is not a psychologist. Psychologists are scientists and he never referes to data to prove his points. He is an ideologue.
Рокси Рокет He's a certified clinical psychologist who's transitioned into a professorial role and now teaches psychology. He works with patients to solve neurological and psychiatric issues like depression, eating disorders, and anxiety riddled problems. It's rude to take away from someone's educational background and prestige just because he's saving time by getting to the point instead of citing all his sources. He could easily get in trouble as a professor at HARVARD if he just made stuff up. I'm pretty sure he's got sources to back up his argument.
In his classes he often refers to scientific data. Why would being a scientist on the one hand exclude him from being an ideologist on the other?
"We've evolved for the hierarchy"
Commies everywhere are sent into a frenzy.
@Jared Adams You have gone into a frenzy yourself, only for the affirmative in your case.
@@MarkMark-ji6ts Examples of the frenzy?
@Shashank Kumar Is there a scientific consensus on this? I've heard arguments for both sides, but it would seem that the decisive arguments would be gained from evolutionary biology, not philosophy.
Shashank Kumar You literally can’t be further from the truth. human intelligence was a positive feedback loop caused by sexual selection. Women used intelligence as a signal for good genes. Also your innate egalitarianism is a racist caricature of hunter-gatherers known as the noble savage. It is true that the hunter-gatherer tribes consist of about 130 to 150 people which would most likely be cousins, but even in those tribes men competed against other men For high status because women selected for the men who can provide more resources for their offspring which would make the offspring more likely to survive. And if your genetic lineage is on the line, murder doesn’t just get rid of a competitor you also acquire the competitors resources, so there would be a genetic incentive for it. Evolution would not favor A man Who wasted evolutionary currency raising another males offspring because they wouldn’t be his gene being transferred to the next generation. This would explain why most murders are committed by men against men Usually because of infidelity. And war along with cannibalism, rape, and infanticide existed throughout hominid Evolution. What these man we’re going to war with other tribes for was to illuminate the men and children and acquire the women. All of this is from the viewpoint of the genes, how could evolution select for “greater social cooperation” or group selection, if a gene arose within an individual that favored the group over that individual by definition would root itself out of the gene pool.
Aren’t they all dead tho??
Love this guy. And Joe Rogan for letting him speak.
I feel like a bald cat with its hair standing up watching this video. It's so nice to see an intellectual conversation about religion / theology rather than it being mocked in the usual simplistic Santa Claus naughty or nice list version of your typical reductionist atheist.
You're getting coal
Man, I can listen to these too for hours.
Jordan Peterson is a blast to listen to.
He's got a great attitude about admitting when he doesn't know something.
The main problem with what he often says is that he relies on naturalistic fallacy.
I mean - we don't shit in our pants. Not if we don't have to. Why not? Our asshole is naturally in our pants.
And when he says this about western culture: "In the west... the ideal person, the ideal man is the one who tells the truth... That's the 'conclusion' of the west."
There is no way he is that naive.
I"m more inclined to believe that our gut bacteria dominate us in almost every way, but that's another discussion.
The male dominance hierarchy is also the moral matriarchy. Polygamy/polyamory leads to having more mothers and fewer fathers in common descent. Because biologically one male can reproduce with several females far more than one female with several males (polyandry). In polygamous species male-male competition and female sexual selection is more intense. Two offspring or zero offspring. In the Freudian primal horde, the jealously of the frustrated/exiled/castrated males for their mother/sisters is what gives them collective consciousness to murder, castrate and eat the tyrannical father. As Kronos did to Uranus, after Uranus hid the titans in the underworld but Kronos was protected inside the earth mother Gaia.
In classic psychoanalytic theory the outcome of the Oedipal identification struggle leads to latency. Sexual passions are cooled as gender roles are taken on from the opposite parent and same-sex social bonding takes place. The ice age of ontogenesis. During the ice age Pleistocene, the transition to hunting primate being completed. Male cooperation on hunts for meat. The symbolic role of the father becoming individual moral authority for the group. To prevent aggression and incest which formerly was prevented by the actual existence of the father. Feelings of guilt from the deed repeated in sacrifice sanctioned by the group.
For Freud, the male hero is the one who resisted the urge of his fellow men to urinate on fire and brought it back to the community, females. He slayed the serpent; Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to man in a hollow tube. The individual learns to renounce desire, sublimate genital pleasure, to make it into something productive for others. Opening the way to civilization where the economic patriarchy matches with the moral patriarchy.
🤔
Camille Paglia?
No you are wrong. it is not. Morality does not exist
I could listen to Peterson all day and night. Do you think he's a self aware narcissist that hides it well? Every psychologist has something wrong with them, and I've been trying to figure him out for the longest time.
Rio I don't think he's high in narcissism since he doesn't aggrandise himself. I'd say he's high in openness and agreeableness, simply wanting to increase general social knowledge. By doing this he increases his own status via relating to so many other people (most likely that part is unconscious/subconscious).
The more you listen to this, the more it makes sense. Really deep stuff. Fascinating!
Compare this to Adam Conover trying to convince Joe Rogan that alpha males aren't a thing.
Jordan always fights to keep his knowledge open for change. It's a sign of high intellect being able to hold confidence AND doubt on the same cuff.
It's good to educate ourselves about these things, it's also good to educate others about them. Once we start DEMANDING that people change however, that is where the breakdown of communication begins.
Firstneim M. Lastneim - Isn't that what democracy is about? The majority demanding the minority to follow structures. Most of our society are based on such demands.
You know shit's about to get extra real when Jordan Peterson says ''I'll lay out something wild for you''
this is probably why my ex left me for a guy who is 10 years older than me, he must be higher in the dominance hierarchy... anyway, time to cry again
Bruh too relatable
bust out the sigma male grindset and keep grinding up the ladder until there aint nobody standing in your way. i believe in you brother.
Dominance hierarchy displays from your mind, your mind, your behaviour show off your status in society.
Jo is so good at knowing when someone is done talking
Considering the fact that all hunter-gatherer societies that survived to this day are universally egalitarian and that they do not have social hierarchies, where exactly is the evidence that male dominant hierarchies even existed before agriculture?
What evidence do you have that all hunter gatherer societies have no hierarchies? In actual fact most tribes do have a ranking system, for example every tribe or every group they have their chief hunter, even in animals like lions. That’s usually the “messianic figure” or the “ideal” or the “hero archetype” that we are naturally drawn to assigning/associate people with (be it conscious or unconscious). But with modernisation the hierarchies may not be as classical as it used to be, it’s no longer the strongest male or the fittest male (although having these traits may help slightly especially in the time of war) , it has perhaps evolved to the most competent male or female in that particular group or community (e.g at your workplace or what ever industry you’re in) . Where does this natural affinity come from? Who knows? It’s deeply embedded in us even we may not be conscious of it. It could stem from evolution or really that’s how Being is and what “God” or the “Universe” set us for us to do to ensure the survival of all living creatures
@@aidilamani8197 I hate people that are above me in the hierarchy because of their natural advantages.
Jordan Peterson is the most supreme elder I've ever seen, and i am probably only minutely cogniscient of his wise old man depth- no one can see what his saying in the light from which he's communicating it
A form of the "Sneaky Fucker" syndrome, basically. Observed in other primates as well. Sneaky but it works for them, therefore is just as valid in nature.
Valid, but inferior.
If you really listen to what he's saying you begin to understand why he's so emotionally invested in it. These are some of the most sophisticated conclusions of metaphysical concepts that you'll ever hear. Sadly the majority of people who hear it don't grasp the most significant pieces of it.
I understand the biological need and function of it, but I have seen its inneficiency - people use hierarchies to fight for their positions (just using power, not merit or competence), they have a big advantage in terms of quick judgements (their position works as a stronger argument than their actual competence) and they give way to a whole new class of people that just spend work in creating the illusion of their position hierarchy or just can produce their position in a hierarchy as a reason why they are right, instead of an actual argument or any valid insight.
I've been on both sides of these tricks (both unjustly benefited from my position and had trouble because of it not being sufficient, despite being right at the time), but I am not sure that dominance hierarchies are the best thing that we as a species should use in the long term. I understand the need to differentiate strategic and tactical personel, but overall I would hope to see them evolve into something better - so I do look at them as a partially vestigial thing
Jordan was on fire back then. He's still really good but he was something truly special in his prime
When I close my eyes every podcast becomes a midnight gospel episode
This is spot on.
this guy is a genious, never seem somebody with that level of understanding before
holy shit
Paulo José bro I don't think I understand. How can we measure or make it tangible, this idea Social ----domaince hearichy ?
Or maybe I do get it, so if i become a billionaire would i reach a high level of the hierarchy?
Jdbxhx Bsbsbsjxhd in a sense yes. you would be more appealing to women because you can offer stability, security, and whatever she needs when raising a child. money isn't the only way of course, but it's still an effective one.
Jordan Peterson is so intelligent and a brilliant teacher.
I wonder if his wife appreciates being invisible
Humans diverged from lobsters about 700 mya not 350 mya. By 350 mya fish had already came onto land.
this just confirms that Christian women are thirsty for Jesus because he was uber dominant lol
Two words, Catholic nuns
I came here from the Beta dude clip claiming beta's dont exist 😂😂
Jordan has a point, but I worry that he's really just becoming an apologist for the status quo. I've followed his work for about 18 years and I respect him a lot, but he knows darn well that the dominance hierarchy is not a flawless mechanism for selecting heroes. As JBP himself has noted in the past, "classical male structures," as Joe put it, are quite often corrupt as hell, and tyrannical, because skilled liars can easily rise to the top of them. Maybe even more easily than heroic people can. And lots and lots of people are experiencing that these days. Even if it's convenient to blame it on our political opponents, we're all feeling it. And we should remember that things like feminism and other left-wing ideologies didn't just appear out of nowhere. They emerged as reactions to the tyrannical aspects of our civilization, which are still very much alive today.
No one is immune to corruption, of course, and that includes feminists & lefties as well as conservatives. It includes anyone with a vested interest in any particular outcome. He says it himself, communists and nazis are equally bad. So, no matter your politics, the moment we start #resisting and opposing things, all human beings tend to get caught up in fighting the good fight and the truth gets lost in the battle. We focus so much on our enemies that we forget to be self-critical & self-reflective, and we forget that our enemies are also human.
JBP teaches that it's important to listen to our enemies. And yet ever since he went "viral" he's been so caught up in calling out post-modern neo-marxist feminists on their corruption, that he's glossing over staggering levels of BS in the social system they're resisting--the one he is defending, whether he's aware of it or not. And of course, most of the lefties think he's the devil incarnate, and everyone's at each other's throats while the world burns. Indeed, the first casualty of any war, even a culture war, is the truth.
And so now here we stand at the precipice of total social collapse. No one can tell what's real, because we're drowning in bullshit; and if you think you know what's real these days with any kind of certainty, then I can almost guarantee that you're fooling yourself. None of it's going to end until we all learn to stop and take a good long look in the mirror, and consider what our opponents have to say. And this applies most of all to those of us who are intelligent, well-spoken, and in the public eye.
He is betraying his own teachings in a way
Well said Andre
Tldr shudup dummi
@@antoniusmilesdale6120 and there you have it folks, the lowest common denominator of JBP's fanbase. Illiterate and incapable of engaging in any actual debate, but so desperate to feel important and smart they blindly regurgitate all of JBP's talking points with no critical analysis. "uR jUsT dUmB! hE's ThE SmArTeSt MaN of OuR GeNeRaTiOn! ShUdUp DuMMi" JFC....
Anyways, completely agree with you Andre. Ever since his Vice interview blew up I've seen JBP for the con-artist he is. And fanbois like Antonius over here who blindly follow whatever he says (and blindly hate whatever he tells them to) are the scariest thing about his meteoric rise. He back-peddles over everything he says when called out, especially when it might cut into his bottom line. IE: The Kavanaugh tweet.
i just dont understand how Joe doesn't get blown away about what he just said.
My god Jordan is brilliant
This is an amazing clip and breakdown.
This is what happens when you give a Social Scientist really good weed.
🤣
Questions:
1. What about married men
2. What about gay men
Seems like women are the main reason men want to climb, according to him. What about #1 and #2
It's like Mario Brothers.
To Jordan Peterson: you should create modules with you content and order them sequentially. This would help a diverse set individuals hear what you have to say and be able to judge it for themselves, rather than be guided by propagandist activity that may not be in their best interests.
Hope you read this - and thank you for articulating in these videos the ideas many have been considering.
I see so many male feminists in the comments.
Pathetic. Reminds me of Justin Trudeau.
Triggered...
You can tell Peterson really struck a nerve with his comments.
You mad, bro?
nothing wrong was aspiring for equity between genders....
Be Ing, but the genders are not equal. Striving to make women physically equal to men is a futile endeavor. Likewise, trying to make men as instinctively nurturing as women is also an exercise in futility. We've evolved like the sexes of almost all other mammals in nature, and that's to be complimentary, not equal.
to extend while acknowledging your truth the object is balance; do you deny wage equity for the same job? you can always look to the differences but they are much smaller than the similiarilites; we share much is common!
Peterson has gotten better at talking like a human being. His previous appearance was robotic and hard to follow but he seems warmer here and I followed his discussion better because of it.
Two things I would enjoy clarification on: First, you say at the end that the hero "finds and claims the virgin," which implies something other than choice on the part of the human female. Second, there's a classroom lecture where you say that you've long thought on why nature is depicted as female, i.e. "mother nature", and you said you believe it's because "nature selects", but here you say female chimps don't select their mates. (I guess you could say though that women aren't actually choosing, it's more like they're programmed to find certain male traits desirable, which traits are themselves programmed by our biology through natural selection, so in the end, nature selects. Which I guess is a third thing I would like clarification on, since you say here that natural selection and sexual selection are two distinctly important parts of evolution, when it seems, as I explained, that they're the same thing.) Whenever you can get back to me would be great. Thanks Jordan. Your friend, Marc B.
"Very sneaky" "Wow. SNeaky" LOL
What I don’t get is the exclusion of females from this “hero” culture and from dominance hierarchies. In Peterson’s narrative they only operate as mate-selectors. But what about competitive/driven women who rise to prominent positions? Can women not also fulfill the role of a “hero?” How is this explained if they’re taken to be selectors only?
And it’s not good enough to say, “Well it’s *traditionally* been men.”
You have a very limited understanding of evolutionary psychology, I'd suggest studying up on it more if you're mentally capable.
No. They are ruining society.
Diversity BS is the reason why they rise to prominent positions. Get over yourself.
Joe Rogan probably Top 50 most liked celebrities of the decade
The first 5 minutes of this clip have nothing to do with the title.
jordan peterson, and mike tyson is easily my top celebrity-idols. both great in what they do.
Every man should read the book "The Rational Male" by Rollo Tomassi.
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Why?
this is the quintessential Jordan Peterson video, it has everything - the dominance hierarchy and lobsters
Funny thing is I never really heard of the guy except MGTOW vids and feminist complaints...I'm neither so never saw more than snipets for either sides argument. Guy's a genius and has a lot of good stuff in his talks. Can't believe some think it's hate speech or dangerous. Only thing I see as dangerous is the silencing of such speech but welcome to 2020.
But animals also bargain with the future. For example superstition has been shown in animals like Pigeons, fair play and trade in Chimps and Rats etc. So I think it's wrong to say we were Chimps then learned about the future and to bargain with it. I think that's inherent in animals too. They are also self aware. Oh and we've been using drugs since before we were homo sapiens most likely. Far longer than 125000 years. There are species of primate with common ancestors to us that use drugs like Lemurs using cyanide secretions from Caterpillars. Reindeer also use psychadelic mushrooms.
Chimps do choose mates aswell. Just not necessarily hierarchical choice like humans.
TheTaterTotP80 oh you’re right! When are you going to start posting videos on these topics mister Tot, you’re clearly more knowledgeable on this topic than a guy who’s devoted his life to it lol.
Can anyone point out where I can find this full podcast ?
Spotify
lol I love how deep this goes only to come back around to what I've thought all along...which is that the far left liberal mindset stems from insecurity.
+3827167492842
It has nothing to do with insecurity.
listening jordan at 2x
He had me hooked right up till he said "sneaky allies" right at the end. The idea that a man who is pro feminist cant compete in traditional hierarchy any other way so they choose to side with women is a bit of a stretch isnt it? Dismissing men who side with feminism as effectively just trying to become a better choice for mating is a little unrealistic.
Was that a generalization tho? Certain males take the feminist position for the sole purpose of increasing their chance to mate.
Pet : Bald cat *laughs*..
Joe : hehehe
I see nothing wrong with the classic male dominance hierarchy; Its very altruistic.
Muhammad Shafiq altruism is bad
Exactly, if it weren't for the hierarchy, we humans wouldn't have such good genes in comparisons to our ancestors.
Carla Theriault Because of competition ... motivates everyone to do the best, and pursue ideals in the classical sense. When everyone wants to be the best, the whole society benefits. In contrast, in a post-modern world, the ideals are deconstructed to the point where no one agrees on anything because there's no unifying force. Its selfish and nihilistic.
Sure, people cooperate in any case. Who wouldn't be in favor of people working together? Game theory is generally applied to the competition in markets, so I'm not quite sure if it can be an effective tool to analyse society.
The classical hero is actually a person who would want to benefit everyone ultimately, as a king without the support of masses gets hanged.
Competition may be selfish, but it is a necessary component of society. Eliminate competition and you would basically get nothing done. Don't forget that competition is at play at every point in our lives, beginning from childhood; competition between siblings, in school and so on. It gives us this drive to constantly improve ourselves.
You said that ".... slave revolts, overthrow of monarchies ... did not come from wanting to be the best.", but you forget how societies achieved all that in the first place.
That latter part was meant to expose postmodernism. As I understand it, it is a skepticism towards grand narratives, idelogies etc. A society which seems to have embraced all that - a departure from absolute ideals (moral relativism) - is imminently headed towards decadence. What will such a society unify upon? How can you mete out absolute justice without absolute ideals?
That is what I meant by deconstruction, where everything is interpreted according to one's tastes and comforts. In other words, a society seeking more convenience above everything else.
Just watched this after watching a bit of the Joe Rogan podcast with Adam Conover, that last bit he was talking about the sneaky guys who can't compete on the male dominance hierarchy was very apt.
Adam Conover is an alpha male. He is not a beta.
Hey Jordan I cleaned my room.... now what.
Start slaying the Dragons and take your place in the hierarchy, buko. Also slay the odd whiteknight every so often.
For a marvelous meditation on killing-the-dragon-and-getting-the-virgin, see Mozart's "The Magic Flute."