Rule 1 - Hierarchies | Jordan B. Peterson
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“The lips of the righteous feed many, but fools die for lack of sense.”
-Proverbs 10:21(ESV)
Amen.
I totally agree with hierarchies as long as I'm the alpha and the rest are my bitches. Much love Mr. Jordan
Love the new format Jordan. We all hope your health continues to improve!
This isn't his channel actually
@@dogperson432 it is actually
This is an old video btw
I like that you included mental health in the same group as physical health. Its health in general.
since its so interconnected, a drug jordan used for mental health severely effected his physical health, because neurotransmitters have lots of effects across the entire body but a lot of people imagine mental health to be only a brain problem which its not
I totally agree with hierarchies as long as I'm the alpha and the rest are my bitches. Much love Mr. Jordan,
LIFE IS ACTUALLY AWESOME
Especially after suffering through hell, if you’re going through it keep going
Are you sure?
@@mohammadnour8114 very sure. no matter how trash, unless I'm paraplegic and on the edge of death daily.
Whe u on the top my dude
@@doubledoubleusmokymirror4d405 You're never on top. Either everything is a miracle or nothing is. Every second is a gift don't you know ? You being healthy is a gift. No excuses start living right now !
So happy that you are recovering Jordan. Cannot wait to hear more from you, we’re here for you.
JP's some kind of Midas.
Every word that get out of his mouth turns to gold.
just love listening AND LEARNING from this man.
I totally agree with hierarchies as long as I'm the alpha and the rest are my bitches. Much love Mr. Jordan;
He's following Joe Rogan's lead with the clips. Multiple revenue streams and audiences. Easier for most to listen to. The average commute is 25 minutes. That's 2 different conversations that he can tie in back to back. Plus every other positive externalities that we can't measure, other channels, other likes and subs. He already has and owns the content. Poses an interesting question. Could we measure how effective listening to 5 educational podcasts a day help increase efficiency and proficiency on the job? can we measure the positive effects on mood? I find value in this shorter form clips of the long form podcast. Cliff notes version, easier to watch multiple times to digest.
ITT: People continue to misunderstand that Peterson is not saying the hierarchies are good, but that they are necessary and inevitable if anything is going to get done. And also misunderstanding that the type of hierarchy he's talking about isn't fixed in place -- it's always possible to move up.
Really curious why half the comments here are from people who found the video by their own volition just to strawman Peterson and make fun of those who find usefulness in his talks.
If you hate him, fine. But then why seek him out?
@@Woodside235 If youre born with iq of 80 its not always possible to move up. Or youre born with a mental illness/disability. Its mostly fixed i think. You have only so much room to move up and down.
@@adonizi I suppose but my point was that I see people assuming that hierarchy = caste system, where you're born into ONE rank and that's just that. That's not what Peterson is describing is all I mean.
It's clear that when it comes to talent people are not equal and trying to make it so is ridiculous. Equality of outcome is preposterous. The real problem with hierarchies is stupid bosses, favoritism etc. and true talent not being rewarded properly. People enjoy exploiting geniuses even though intelligence is an admirable trait.
The problem with addressing those problems you list is that some people seem to think that the existence of these issues is proof that the concept of authority is corrupt or dysfunctional. Then arguing that hierarchies never existed until tyrants came along to implement it.
I totally agree with hierarchies as long as I'm the alpha and the rest are my bitches. Much love Mr. Jordan,
The true geniuses that hold social genius also will exploit, not be exploited
Just read this part of the book and somehow it made me more depressed as reading the description of people at the lower bottom of hierarchy is so spot on with my experience. Can’t passed that part forward, and currently frozen with my anxiety attack 😢
I wish I could tell him how he saved me
Stay strong fellow lobster!
Me too.
You just did
Me as well... greetings from Peru fellow lobsters!
Stay strong my smelly crustacean.
Thank you Sir! Patiently awaiting your next Lecture! God bless! ❤️
Ah, yes. We love to hear Abba Jordan talk to us about the importance of the dominance hierarchy.
I believe Abba is father in Hebrew.
😂 we do. It's fascinating stuff...updating the collective landscape
@Dylan Tanner It's a band. ABBA.
Its a title used in many languages in the middle east. It roughly means "father" and can be used as a title for a spiritual leader. Look it up on: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_(Semitic)#:~:text=A%20transliteration%20of%20the%20Aramaic,used%20with%20reference%20to%20God.
Jordan Peterson has a rare capasity of deep insight into a phenomena or problem combined with the ability to formulate or deconstract it verbaly in a few words.
FYI He meant John Rockefeller not Nelson Rockefeller, his son.
Jordan I look forward to your next video, welcome back
Equality of outcome is separate from equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome is also different than equality of support. Yes there is an issue when people look at a result and say “we don’t want this”, like if someone looks at Jeff Bezos and says that billionaires shouldn’t exist. That is the wrong application of equality. What we need to advocate for is rather the unburdening of those who have been dealt a rough hand. Ok, we’ve got billionaires- great! Let’s have AT LEAST the same taxation rate apply to them as it does for everyone else. They shouldn’t be able to get out of taxation when your mentally disabled adult who works can’t get out of taxes, and Lisa from accounting can’t get out of taxes. Plus we absolutely need to de-institutionalize unconscious bias with conscious alternative choice. For instance, historically it has been a lot easier for white women to be models and actresses than it has for black, latina, and asian women. Many beauty and self care products are formulated first and foremost for white women. Our sense of beauty has been morphed to look at whiteness as beautiful. We know this is fickle just as much as we can look at old paintings and see “fat” as being beautiful, compared to 80s supermodels who were stick thin, whereas today everyone wants to be curvy. A more rounded nose or natural ethnic hair are not always viewed as desirable because we have chosen to lift up some and say “you’re beautiful” based on something outside their control while we also disregard those who are not pretty by the same standard (which is not a standard, it is a ploy of society to infer a dominance hierarchy where there is no real value in doing so). Or look at medicine, when students are in medical school they are mainly taught what to look for on white skin. Many issues that present as a rash or something on the skin would look different on me than they do on my boyfriend who is hispanic. If his healthcare provider wasn’t aware of this, how would they correctly and quickly diagnose him…? Or how most test parameters for things like hormones and nutrients are actually based on data for MALES and we don’t have a separate system for those who are biologically female, or even just an average between both sexes… These things can be resolved by choice within these respective industries. Look how much has changed in modeling in the last 15-25 years. Or look at how the study of humanity went from telling women “you’re a woman, being a little crazy is normal” to psychology and medicine saying “actually you have thyroid issues (affects 1:5 women) and you can do something about it”.
The chase for equality is not about outcome, it is at its core about truly valuing all humans and treating them with the respect they deserve. The answer is not classist, nor anarchist- it is a holistic approach of compassion for humanity.
Your words have really made me think about life, meaning, and history. Thank you
The misunderstood hero.
I'm glad the good doctor is back to doing what he does best. As an individual you can have your political opinions and whatnot but I think this is this where you shine. Sharing your knowledge with your students as a scholor. Good to see looking healthy too.
So good to have you back, healthy and in good shape, doctor Peterson! We love you and we're really happy you made it through that awful season! Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. God bless you and your family! Welcome back!
YOU'RE BACK!!!!!!!! Welcome. We have dived headlong into the abyss and desperately need advice.
The full lectures are so much better. Just saying
Yes father.
It's 100% true! I wish I knew it in my childhood.
Mr Peterson doesn't even have to talk anymore.
He just opens his mouth and Truth, Wisdom and nothing but the Truth comes out.
🤤
Every time u listen 2 prof. U learn a new thing. At least three time just to hear what he actually says then two times more for analyzing and if u want to explain or discuss them, God knows how many times more u should listen to him. Thank u & all the best for u and your family
I for one exploit the dominance hierarchy! Thanks for Mr. Peterson I became more aware of it in society. This is a brilliant explanation of it and his book is probably the best book I’ve ever read.
Still reading it 😊
Thank you for this upload!
One major flaw: Having different skills is different than inequality; having no skills.
If technology allows us all to be genuises, creatives, strong, etc. we will take it. And it's probably gonna happen within 100 years or so. We will still find other ways to be unique. But we will, overall, level up. And that's a good thing.
he did say in other videos that there are different hierarchies in society so that most people rank high in at least one.
We are waiting for new apploads from him.
This line of thinking comes naturally to me.. its strange to me that so many are clueless about it. Even for things there is an abudnance of they fight over it as if there is only one of it. Program updates seriously needed in the west.
You must be a self proclaimed genius.
@@emmashalliker6862 If recognizing that beating others in a race is not the only measure of success means I am a genius.. then yes.. I am. But it doesn't take a genius to ask 'What is the best outcome for me?' instead of 'How do I win?'.
It's not that people are clueless to it, it's that they don't want to admit it because it's an extremely uncomfortable truth. That's why you have people claiming every, as JP might put it, "manifestation of hierarchies" is instead just a "social construct." People would rather believe anything unequal is nurture and not nature.
Always great talks from JBP.
I do value and completely agree with Confucius view of Hierarchy.
We the public need you...........
Uhgghg he is so precious!
Peterson for PM
Yet when it comes to leadership: even “divine appointed” leadership there is a tedious accountability and responsibility. Even the high priests had to tie a rope around their waist upon entering thee holy throne room of God, in case they were judged unworthy and dropped dead. God is not a respecter of people. God is thee ultimate leveler. Hannah’s Prayer is very good perspective on what humans deem valuable and what God sustains and sees valuable. The arrogant are leveled and broken. The humble and meek are lifted up. Status just gets sold for parts 😉
Douglas Murray's criticism of JP's idea of hierarchies is spot on - what hierarchy? There are an infinite number of potential hierarchies. And one tribe's alpha is another tribe's most reviled man on the planet. Love JP, but I think his ideas here have some serious cracks in them.
@Willow I don't think that's accurate
@@delaslight that's the best you can offer to a year old comment?
@@delaslight yeah. I looked at your other comments. You don't have much to offer.
@@delaslight not to anybody
@@delaslight sounds like you're projecting
Im curious about other forms of currency like virtue or competence and how they play into that idea of hierarchies
I think he mentioned it at one part but by attractiveness, strength, athletic ability etc. Though honestly I'm myself a bit confused about it, I think a status would be a combination of all things, a rich, stupid guy, would rank lower than a rich smart guy, or a smart guy that's attractive and strong would rank higher than a guy that's just smart and attractive, so maybe a courageous guy would also rank higher than a cowardly guy
@@greitasopelis5542 i kinda think that those things that are different increase a persons ability to become successful. like if you believe the right things or are competent or are just born in a good situation. Which seems to prevent a singular right way of thinking and that seems good.
I also agree that a person seems better if they have more than one good quality.
Metaphysical Hierarchy:
Mystic... beautiful dreaming
Magical...harmony
Musical... language of music
Artistic... pictures/metaphors
Poetic... language of words
Numerical...we are here
Mystics create the most joy (smart). Accountants create the least joy (ignorant). Yet accountants rule the world. We live in an inside out, upside down world.
The clever coyote (greed) is always trying to catch the roadrunner (love). But never does. Because something that is not real (absence of love) can never catch that which is real (love). That coyote is a crazy clown...
The roadrunner (love) is the state bird of the Land of Enchantment. The land of enlightenment. The land of magic (love).
What I take from this video is count your blessings
What's stupid is blindly following others based upon status. It should be who knows best about the thing at hand leads, and who knows less well voluntarily follows. I'd be willing to be subordinate to anybody if I thought that they knew better than me.
You are taking the perspective of Plato, the submission to intelligence over any other...which I agree with. But the problem with this and I think you know it, is the ego of a person. Humans, while some of them can accommodate their capabilities, but others and that is the majority, cannot and will not comply with the reality of their mental capabilities, that's why we have mass dunning-kruger in our society, and we got people that would deceit and hurt to reach what they personally believe is their deserved achievement, while still in denial of it and talk crap about ethics and idealist personal characteristics...What Peterson's perception creates is a society built upon status like you said, and the modern american society is the great manifestation of liberal system based on status. Hollywood is the primary example, for people love them for their characters and personalities, but in reality behind the cameras hollywood is built on the nature of corruption. Hierarchical society based on intelligence and each own skills that fit to the perfect opportunity is the best system but I am afraid it is an idealist perspective
@@MM-KunstUndWahrheit Even dumb people can lead if they know best but they probably usually wouldn't. Anyway, I would say that it is possible to create such a society if the idea becomes popular and anyone who tries to make anyone else their bitch for no reason is mercilessly shamed for it as a result. That is what I am trying to introduce in my book based on this concept, wherein most people are ethically perfect through programming themselves to be according to personality type. By using the mbti system. That's what I did. I'm an ENTP type by the way. They don't have to be PERFECT per se, but at least the ethical/moral bit of their minds have to be perfect for such an idea to work.
and some peoples talent is theft and murder and that gives them immense power. genius!
I don't mind that some have a bit more than I do, but when the economic system ends up with the inequality we see today 1 percent own over half the worlds wealth that is not a natural hierarchy.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
Blessings brother I love your lectures... the social hierarcy can be displayed in scales look at the mexican prisión and compare that to the us there are more similaritys both economicly and socially... we can be kind and equal to each of us... but they are not... the people just act like animals. Blessings Brother
Yay! New Video, thank your Prof. Peterson :)
Brilliant man! Cheers from Patagonia
Balance of life. Bad goodness poorer wealth. Or rich seek or fit healthy peace and war. We needed.. How after all we can saperation our lives following.?color. And in end we find the sens. Thx Dr Peterson. Hop you and your family are well.
millions of people love what you do, lol what a funny thing
One day we’re gonna look back at this comment and say wow now that Jordan Peterson is gone were we ever lucky have the chance to see his content this man is a genius.
This is really good. Handbook for politicians in the West.
Many of them poor ppl are addicts but not all of them some need a chance to recover and stand on their feet
Even addicts need help to stop thier addiction and fix their life
We are not animals at least by now we shouldn't be we can help each other out financially and emotionally to overcome their problems and then they will not be as much poor ppl and criminals in the world
We Don't Need Hierarchy.
Top of the internet dad hierarchy
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The funny part about hierarhies is that those who value the hierarchy most is that once they get to their desired level on that hierarchy after they settle in there are going to get painfully bored. So bored that they cannot understand why their accomplishments when they get there does not feel like the ecstasy they thought it was going to be as promised to them. At that point they can start to mentor others for better satisfaction for themselves too - Unless of course they have been all along setting terrible examples on how to achieve success while on their way up.
I found this video really helpful by the way.
It put some things into perspective.
Anyone read Harrison Bergeron?
In regards to talent, the spread is known as diversity.
This is undoubtedly beneficial to a community.
Inequality is the difference in effort required to sustain one's life.
This is of detriment to the community because it limits the community's ability to express it's diversity in a productive way.
If I have any adiction that I don't want to quit, that is Jordan Peterson videos.
Amen.
i missed you dr!
fu#$%ing lovee you, you HERO
More rule videos like this
Love from Oz!
Welcome back sir ❤❤
What about standards of attractiveness? Can they be objective?
US Constitution: We are all equal (except foreigners; they're aliens)
JP: We are NOT all equal! And thank God for that...
Parents are in charge of their kids, bosses at work ARE in charge of their staff. Hierarchy is really, really desirable.
Bootlicker.
Fuck Hierarchy! I choose to not act like an animal but rather choose to give equal honor & love to all.
What about Stimpy’s?
Jordan, with your respect for the scriptures and story of Christ in particular, I’m wondering if you’ve ever considered that Christ in the incarnation stooped down from the highest point imaginable on the dominance hierarchy (God) to a very low point even by human standards (baby, born in a manger to poor parents) and how that impacts how we should view dominance hierarchies in our own lives. Philippians 2 speaks about this. ❤
People that know finances love poor people.. they profit off of charitable contrib y tions in any form..
But other than this hit home.. and this can very well be very much complicated..
Then education should be equally accessible to everyone, so that everyone has the same opportunity. And equal access to healthcare. And housing. So that the best people naturally rise to the top. Pure meritocracy. Isn't that what you want?
A hierarchy is a kind of construction. A social hierarchy would therefore be… a social construction.
Talk about tough and hardships and devils tasks and judgements from evil jealousy Coventry
JP
My favorite lobster of all time. 😏
Me too ✌
@@nelli.bonelli HAhaha yes, I love this rotten crustacean.
If you are against poverty then work the hell out.... that "I am against the poverty" sign ain't going to help anyone except poverty
I teach high school currently in California where schools have been shut down for some time. Students seem to have lost all motivation to do work. Students that normally get straight A's are failing and so on. It is weird that grades seem to have no effect on many students motivation during this distance learning. Do you think it is correct to hypothesize this is because something about not being physically in school has abstracted their hierarchies? They also all seem to be quite depressed as well. If I wanted to get them back on track would it be useful to , in some way, help them understand the hierarchies they were operating within still exist?
@Willow watched the video. I've seen Sapolsky's work before. What exactly do you think it teaches, by comparison to Peterson?
@Willow does Sapolsky ever state why baboon societies are normally structured the way they are? Why do you think they are? What % are structured this way? 99%+?
@Willow presumably it would be that they're the ones that survive. That other structures get taken over by that type of society. Not an endorsement. Just a reality. Gotta consider this little thing called game theory. Try studying how things actually work. Not how you want them to. That's actual science.
@Willow I'm pretty sure I did. I don't think you understand reality. But feel free to explain what I didn't understand. Or you can just take the coward's move again, and not say anything.
Coming from someone who went from a 5.0 GPA, to a little less because of covid... Somewhat. It definitely helps that we want the incentive for status. However, it's the collective momentum that we posses. The community - the "what we're collectively doing". And that underlying collective mentality sets up the action of 'doing the work' as something normal - making it something subconsciously automatics that we don't have to think about consciously doing and by extension not consciously conjuring up willpower to do it. When we are removed from the environment, that underlying subconscious expectation is gone, making the action of doing homework SOMETHING we have to actually think about doing. Before in our community we didn't think about doing it, but now that we're removed from our environment it's actually become SOMETHING. Additionally, that something requires effort, and since we're deprived from our community - just lilke war because the soldiers to your right and left charging towards the battlefield inspire you and keep you moving forward - you too lose momentum as well. But yeah, to not invalidate your position, the status position is an incentive as well, but a slight touch.
Thank you for reading.
True words… unfortunately most people don’t get it because their minds are closed to living.
Keep certain names, that others hold sacred, and you’ll get more listeners.
Thank you Dr. Peterson !! 🌍🌎🌏👍
I wont level myself up due to the level in which society is at in this era!
Amazing pro capitalistic explanation
Is this connected with first principle?
I would like to know where the ancient counter is placed in my brain.. Is it the amygdala?
I came here to read comments and hit shit
Most of hiérarchies in the majorité of all societies arent based on competence
I've seen this, sometimes I just need a reminder. JP is a brilliant mind and just as brilliant of a communicator
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I can’t wait to hear your views on the American election or at least I hope to hear your views about the American election 😊
I like his suit
Slowly works up the good-will¹, and accelerates up to 5:24 applause, then uses - it - up², berating the hell out of the audience.
Rinse and repeat :)
¹ or good-feeling
²na-na-na-na-na, freeze, add cool-glasses & spliff _well, maybe_
But it's also very pedagogical, this pendulum, that if you wind it up good with peoples' perceptions one way, you can let it loose to swing fully the other way and let them see the other side of the coin.
Don't drink and write buddy ..
@@MaryJane-bz5zq Gave you a thumbs-up. But I still like it. So how should I reconcile that? _All meant friendly._
This applies to socialism and anti-capitalism.
Hierarchy based on meritocracy makes sense.. Rather than just based politically
*_1:58_**_ "Rat hierarchies" You would know all about that, wouldn't you?_*
“we want to exploit the geniuses” Really. Is that hierarchy. Is that what that is. Is that really what we want to do. What is mere want when only greed. And what not yet of fulfilling our needs. What of our homes we don’t build that wrens do. And food we never sowed and reaped to feed ourselves. Are we lucky. Or are we oppressed. To never have our time and space to do what actually matters for human development that we may develop our actual intelligence all the while slaves to the monopolizing imagination of “geniuses” who may be no more than overpaid lunatics. Is that the story it feeds children. Is that the “social climate” it naturally “creates” and accepts. More like manipulates. And what is a “genius” has it even been determined. Are the “geniuses” the “innovators” who rape the planet only to create immature demand and “climate change.” Is that purpose. Is that meaningful for this species. So immature it’s become lazy and overrun by technology. Is that freedom. Is that a stronger species evolving. Or is it useless. Is that entropy. And what of classrooms that propagate the mind for all this never reformed and parents who never teach their own children like it’s normal to leave them to the state. Is it awake every day. Or only one chance in a lifetime in the same way the earth. How can you be “genius” when you don’t even know who you are. And how you got here no answer as to what your own state of consciousness and why it develops memory at only three are these the best or worst years. And what of reality still undetermined and imagination taking over. Do we really say all of these things so arrogantly. “I don’t buy it.” And I know I don’t have to. And I know that’s instinct. It is very unfortunate to have phoneys in Canada this is its hierarchy or “progress.” Nature is proving to challenge that.
There are people who like poverty because poor people make exploitable labor. The correct statement is any DECENT person is against poverty. Most people are decent so that includes most people, but not all like you implied.
For some reason, I find myself agreeing with JP in interviews and university lectures. But not so much his talks and books. Weird.
is this new content?
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