Interesting review Tom. I am about to clock up 6 months ownership of my e-2008 and remain delighted with my purchase. It is very much a city car, where range is far less important than other attributes such as comfort, quietness, speed limiter and compact dimensions. This is a premium vehicle and it is not reasonable to compare it with the BYD Atto and the MG which have far lower levels of refinement. (and BYD are yet to learn how to provide service support for their burgeoning fleet in Australia - a common problem for new entrants to any market). If you want a cheap EV then go for the Atto or the MG. If you want a premium driving experience then read on. For me the main competitors to the Peugeot are the Cupra Born, the Volvo EX-30 (not an option 6 months ago and I am not sure it has been released in AU yet), the Megane E-tech (not available last year, even to test drive), the Kia Niro and the upgraded e-2008 which was at least 12 months away (and really it's a relatively minor upgrade). These options are all at a similar price and trim level, and with the exception of Cupra have well-established dealer networks with a track record of maintaining their fleet in AU. I test drove several. The Niro is a nice car but it felt like driving a bus in comparison to the Peugeot. In the end it was pretty much line ball between the Cupra Born and the available Peugeot, with the Peugeot prevailing mainly due to my familiarity with the marque: an excellent experience with a diesel 308 over the previous 14 years. EVs are best when you have home charging, ideally from solar where your charging cost is around 7c per kWh. But even if I owned a car with a large battery I would find it a bit of a pain to go out to a public charger for a weekly top-up. The e-2008 dovetails well with home charging because most home solar energy systems will only manage about a 20kWh top up in a single day of charging. There is no real benefit in having a larger (heavier!) battery. If I take the charge up to 80% I usually can last a week or more without needing to re-charge, but my usual practice is to plug in for 3 shorter solar charges every 3 days or so - this will hopefully optimise the battery SOH. While the car is primarily a city car it performs well on the motorway. A trip from Sydney to Canberra required a 11 minute top-up at Mittagong, which is over in a blink (and a full charge back to 80% at my destination to prep. for the return journey). Would I drive this car to Melbourne or Brisbane on Boxing Day? Only, if I had lots of time and a sense of adventure! This car is simply not designed to be that vehicle. I am easily achieving efficiencies of 14kWh / 100 km around town. Mainly drive in Eco with the regen on. This is more than adequate to keep up with city traffic. Main reason to select Normal mode is to un-throttle the climate control on hot days. (in fact, climate control can account for up to a third of the energy consumption. The vehicle itself manages around 12 kWh / 100km. Sport mode is really only needed for overtaking on highways, or for out-accelerating d***heads in hotted up ICE cars. (I would not want take on a Tesla or Cupra though!) Not everything is perfect about the vehicle. The mobile app is crap, nothing more than a sophisticated diary: it must have been designed by a work experience intern. But who really buys a car for the app? And there are a few functions as such remote charging control. the ability to set charging limits and so on which would be useful. But even then there are simple work arounds when you have an app-controlled home charger. The e-2008 is for drivers who value the convenience and features of traditional motor cars (such as a dashboard and control buttons for frequently used features) with an electric drive train. There is another category of EVs which I characterise as batteries with a large metallic body around them, a steering wheel with an ipad like tablet for control. Not my cup of tea.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and glad you’re enjoying your Peugeot! I’m just happy there’s more choice on the market these days to suit everyone’s needs
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm thinking of getting one and read the manual. The door ajar warning seems generic. Does it show the specific door that is open in a pictogram representation? What about the boot,bonnet, charging door? Are there warnings that show if any bulbs are out? Of the cars you test drove which is the quietest?
@@boggintime6693 Definitely no specific warning that charging cap is open. I’m going to check those other details for you tomorrow morning. Peugeot was definitely the quietest of the cars I drove. I really like the I-cockpit with the small steering wheel. You need to test drive to see if it suits. In spite of Tom’s comments I think it handles really well on the highway, through corners etc. I live in the inner city. The 2008 was also the narrowest, shortest and lightest of the vehicles I considered so that was (and is!) a big plus for me. For many people value=range but I was looking for something more premium for the city.
Seriously crazy prices right! No doubt the interior is very good compared to the Chinese offerings in MG4, BYD Dolphin and GWM Ora but for driveability and handling, the MG4 is still better imo. Depends where your priorities lie I suppose 😅 - Great to have so much choice at this end of the market though 👍
@@LudicrousFeed thanks for the feedback. I haven’t done test drive yet. I sort of have some faith with the brand. The only thing concern me is the range. Discount to real world I think it’s around 280km. And possibly another 10-15% loss after years. It’s a city car occasionally bne to Gold Coast return ok. But the price sooooo tempting considering also ev rebate in QLD.
I just bought a discounted 2023 model Peugeot E-2008 this week. We were able to pick up a demo model with just a few thousand kms on the dial for just $36,990. I noticed that all the 2023 models E-2008's in Australia sold out the day after we paid the deposit for ours! Hopefully we will see s lot more Peugeot EVs on the road now:).
Yes there’s a start stop button - it’s clearly visible to the left of the steering column on the dash when I do the front row walkthrough. You can run the AC when it’s “idle”
Dear Tom, is this quieter than your Seal? Many reviews comment on the refinement as being excellent and not just because there is no ICE, but from road, wind noise excellent.
My biggest gripe I have always had with French vehicles is that they are underpowered. The styling and presentation is usually very good but it has always come back to the power levels when I have been considering them in the past. I didn’t see what the power rating was for their EV, so apologies if I have got this wrong, but if it’s been anything like their ICE vehicles, I’m going with poor power levels yet again until proven otherwise.
Would be nice to think we have that influence! All stock sold out very quickly. I secured one and will pick it up next week. I think it’s a bargain for those who were able to get one. Thankyou for your informative and objective review. No car is perfect, but for 40k I can forgive a few shortcomings!
That's a lot of $$ for not a lot of range. It's not a high end car. I'd expect an 80+ kwh battery with 500+ km wltp for that money unless I'm getting a high end car which an average Peugeot is not, although it is a nice car
Uau....no wonder the price just drop more than 20.000. It's drive away today $39.990. Aud..... that's a great price. I really, really like the styling of peugeot..... But around 200 kms of real range????..... It would be a great deal if you are looking for a chique city car! It's cheaper than the GT petrol version, and even some European small hatch!
@@philp2793 Haha maybe someone at Peugeot Aus watched my review beforehand 😆 Yes I think at this new price it’s certainly worth serious consideration. The same limitations that I mentioned in the video still apply of course but apart from that it’s suddenly very good value. Keep in mind too that it’s likely that Peugeot have dropped the price to make way for the new e-2008 which is now available in Europe
My model y may not be most luxurious but it’s technically they ahead of all makers in my opinion,so until these other automakers catch up I wouldn’t consider anything other then my y
I have had several ICE 3008's and love them. I had one of these for a weekend, this car is well built and lovely to drive but seriously underpowered and over-priced
Am I missing something? These are now $40k D/A! Seems like a bargain and well equipped compared to a BYD or MG4. For a city runaround, probably a better choice if you're not fussed on huge range
Do they have their own phone app with remote connectivity? This seems to be a bit of a downfall with a lot of legacy manufacturers - at least compared to Tesla.
What a cluster of buttons and controls. Not my favourite to say the least. Lack of acceleration , poor range and no one pedal. Total deal breaker Imo.😢
I traded-in a petrol Peugeot for a BYD Dolphin. I loved my Peugeot and the brand but couldn't justify the poor value for money for their new EV against a BYD.
Don't know about the byd but drove this Peugeot for a week. Drives fantastically, quiet, plenty fast for city driving, 3d cockpit screen is nice, gets about 200-250km on a single charge. But would buy used because 3 years old ones are already 50% off new.
That's a pretty obtuse and ignorant thing to say. Even though I've been a long time French car driver, Chinese EV tech is simply better than the Europeans.
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Interesting review Tom. I am about to clock up 6 months ownership of my e-2008 and remain delighted with my purchase. It is very much a city car, where range is far less important than other attributes such as comfort, quietness, speed limiter and compact dimensions. This is a premium vehicle and it is not reasonable to compare it with the BYD Atto and the MG which have far lower levels of refinement. (and BYD are yet to learn how to provide service support for their burgeoning fleet in Australia - a common problem for new entrants to any market). If you want a cheap EV then go for the Atto or the MG. If you want a premium driving experience then read on.
For me the main competitors to the Peugeot are the Cupra Born, the Volvo EX-30 (not an option 6 months ago and I am not sure it has been released in AU yet), the Megane E-tech (not available last year, even to test drive), the Kia Niro and the upgraded e-2008 which was at least 12 months away (and really it's a relatively minor upgrade). These options are all at a similar price and trim level, and with the exception of Cupra have well-established dealer networks with a track record of maintaining their fleet in AU.
I test drove several. The Niro is a nice car but it felt like driving a bus in comparison to the Peugeot. In the end it was pretty much line ball between the Cupra Born and the available Peugeot, with the Peugeot prevailing mainly due to my familiarity with the marque: an excellent experience with a diesel 308 over the previous 14 years.
EVs are best when you have home charging, ideally from solar where your charging cost is around 7c per kWh. But even if I owned a car with a large battery I would find it a bit of a pain to go out to a public charger for a weekly top-up. The e-2008 dovetails well with home charging because most home solar energy systems will only manage about a 20kWh top up in a single day of charging. There is no real benefit in having a larger (heavier!) battery. If I take the charge up to 80% I usually can last a week or more without needing to re-charge, but my usual practice is to plug in for 3 shorter solar charges every 3 days or so - this will hopefully optimise the battery SOH.
While the car is primarily a city car it performs well on the motorway. A trip from Sydney to Canberra required a 11 minute top-up at Mittagong, which is over in a blink (and a full charge back to 80% at my destination to prep. for the return journey). Would I drive this car to Melbourne or Brisbane on Boxing Day? Only, if I had lots of time and a sense of adventure! This car is simply not designed to be that vehicle.
I am easily achieving efficiencies of 14kWh / 100 km around town. Mainly drive in Eco with the regen on. This is more than adequate to keep up with city traffic. Main reason to select Normal mode is to un-throttle the climate control on hot days. (in fact, climate control can account for up to a third of the energy consumption. The vehicle itself manages around 12 kWh / 100km. Sport mode is really only needed for overtaking on highways, or for out-accelerating d***heads in hotted up ICE cars. (I would not want take on a Tesla or Cupra though!)
Not everything is perfect about the vehicle. The mobile app is crap, nothing more than a sophisticated diary: it must have been designed by a work experience intern. But who really buys a car for the app? And there are a few functions as such remote charging control. the ability to set charging limits and so on which would be useful. But even then there are simple work arounds when you have an app-controlled home charger.
The e-2008 is for drivers who value the convenience and features of traditional motor cars (such as a dashboard and control buttons for frequently used features) with an electric drive train. There is another category of EVs which I characterise as batteries with a large metallic body around them, a steering wheel with an ipad like tablet for control. Not my cup of tea.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and glad you’re enjoying your Peugeot! I’m just happy there’s more choice on the market these days to suit everyone’s needs
I'm looking forward to getting the base Seal. The luxury and is part of the appeal.
Enjoy your E2008🙂
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm thinking of getting one and read the manual. The door ajar warning seems generic. Does it show the specific door that is open in a pictogram representation? What about the boot,bonnet, charging door? Are there warnings that show if any bulbs are out? Of the cars you test drove which is the quietest?
@@boggintime6693 Definitely no specific warning that charging cap is open. I’m going to check those other details for you tomorrow morning. Peugeot was definitely the quietest of the cars I drove. I really like the I-cockpit with the small steering wheel. You need to test drive to see if it suits. In spite of Tom’s comments I think it handles really well on the highway, through corners etc. I live in the inner city. The 2008 was also the narrowest, shortest and lightest of the vehicles I considered so that was (and is!) a big plus for me. For many people value=range but I was looking for something more premium for the city.
@@eurofile416 thanks Bruce. I do like the interior, in design and it's really quite roomy given the dimensions.
Now clearance price at $39990 drive away. Do you think it’s a better choice now compared to the peer? Thanks
Seriously crazy prices right! No doubt the interior is very good compared to the Chinese offerings in MG4, BYD Dolphin and GWM Ora but for driveability and handling, the MG4 is still better imo. Depends where your priorities lie I suppose 😅
- Great to have so much choice at this end of the market though 👍
@@LudicrousFeed thanks for the feedback. I haven’t done test drive yet. I sort of have some faith with the brand. The only thing concern me is the range. Discount to real world I think it’s around 280km. And possibly another 10-15% loss after years. It’s a city car occasionally bne to Gold Coast return ok. But the price sooooo tempting considering also ev rebate in QLD.
I just bought a discounted 2023 model Peugeot E-2008 this week. We were able to pick up a demo model with just a few thousand kms on the dial for just $36,990. I noticed that all the 2023 models E-2008's in Australia sold out the day after we paid the deposit for ours! Hopefully we will see s lot more Peugeot EVs on the road now:).
Yeah at that price it’s very good value 👍
Aqui no Brasil eu paguei US$ 30.369 modelo 2023 0KM
Is there a start stop like the ICE 308? What happens if you turn on the AC at idle? Thanks
Yes there’s a start stop button - it’s clearly visible to the left of the steering column on the dash when I do the front row walkthrough. You can run the AC when it’s “idle”
@Tom can you turn off the auto forward roll when you take the foot off the brake ?
I don’t recall there being a switch for this …
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@@LudicrousFeed I test drove it and couldn’t find a setting for it. Like you mentioned with hill hold. They would be a similar setting
Dear Tom, is this quieter than your Seal? Many reviews comment on the refinement as being excellent and not just because there is no ICE, but from road, wind noise excellent.
The Seal insulation is actually pretty good ...
My biggest gripe I have always had with French vehicles is that they are underpowered. The styling and presentation is usually very good but it has always come back to the power levels when I have been considering them in the past. I didn’t see what the power rating was for their EV, so apologies if I have got this wrong, but if it’s been anything like their ICE vehicles, I’m going with poor power levels yet again until proven otherwise.
You’re correct, considering the 0-100kph acceleration of this car is not much quicker than its ICE equivalent
Estou com o meu e-2008 faz 6 meses .....o carro é simplesmente espetacular !
Glad you’re enjoying it!
With a current offer of $39 990 drive away (NSW) would it become a more compelling purchase as a car that does city and suburban trips?
Wow that discount certainly changes things 🤔 Did they drop the price after watching my vid? 😆
Would be nice to think we have that influence! All stock sold out very quickly. I secured one and will pick it up next week. I think it’s a bargain for those who were able to get one.
Thankyou for your informative and objective review. No car is perfect, but for 40k I can forgive a few shortcomings!
@@peterlehner7537 Congrats! So true isn’t it, some limitations can be forgiven at the right price 🤑
That's a lot of $$ for not a lot of range. It's not a high end car. I'd expect an 80+ kwh battery with 500+ km wltp for that money unless I'm getting a high end car which an average Peugeot is not, although it is a nice car
There’s certainly a fair bit of competition at this size and price segment currently in Australia
Uau....no wonder the price just drop more than 20.000.
It's drive away today $39.990. Aud..... that's a great price.
I really, really like the styling of peugeot.....
But around 200 kms of real range????.....
It would be a great deal if you are looking for a chique city car! It's cheaper than the GT petrol version, and even some European small hatch!
Yes that’s a great deal thanks to the sale! 😱 (May 2024)
@@LudicrousFeed would your review conclude differently at the new DA price? Seems like phenomenal value at that price point.
@@philp2793 Haha maybe someone at Peugeot Aus watched my review beforehand 😆
Yes I think at this new price it’s certainly worth serious consideration. The same limitations that I mentioned in the video still apply of course but apart from that it’s suddenly very good value. Keep in mind too that it’s likely that Peugeot have dropped the price to make way for the new e-2008 which is now available in Europe
Watching this confirms I made the right decision buying my BYD Dolphin Premium 🐬
Good to see what else is out there 😁
My model y may not be most luxurious but it’s technically they ahead of all makers in my opinion,so until these other automakers catch up I wouldn’t consider anything other then my y
Hard to go past the Y in the segment of the market
Mmm. I want to get a he Seal. But I intend to buy TSLA before it just goes😮
I have had several ICE 3008's and love them. I had one of these for a weekend, this car is well built and lovely to drive but seriously underpowered and over-priced
Well summarised. I’m looking forward to the e-3008 to test though 👍
@@LudicrousFeed I agree - the new e3008 looks fab but I reckon will be v expensive in oz
Am I missing something? These are now $40k D/A! Seems like a bargain and well equipped compared to a BYD or MG4. For a city runaround, probably a better choice if you're not fussed on huge range
All prices are in Australian dollars
@@LudicrousFeed On Carsales they're going for $40k D/A! Not ~$60k AUD anymore. Must be runout?
Non luxury European EVs will have a very hard time to compete with Chinese offerings outside of Europe.
This is the conundrum they face
When the Alfa Romeo Milano / Junior releases, I request a similarity review, please. As they are cousins! Peugeot underpinnings.
Request noted!
The controls seem very mixed up
Possibly because it’s based on the ICE platform?
@@LudicrousFeed that makes sense
i really hate those stupid bungs over the charge ports. even the Imiev doesn't stoop that low :P
Most of the EVs I’ve tested over the years have some sort of cover over the DC port … sometimes both 🤔
Do they have their own phone app with remote connectivity? This seems to be a bit of a downfall with a lot of legacy manufacturers - at least compared to Tesla.
I believe there is the MyPeugeot App but as with many of these press cars I don’t get access to it
@@LudicrousFeed It has one and it allowed me to conenct to the app and see all the previous test drives.
What a cluster of buttons and controls. Not my favourite to say the least. Lack of acceleration , poor range and no one pedal. Total deal breaker Imo.😢
Wouldn’t mind testing the update of the e-2008 … hopefully not too far away for Aus
only people imo buying this is seasoned Peugeot drivers wanting to donate their money to the brand... otherwise i just can't see why..
It’s a tough sell for those in the know
I traded-in a petrol Peugeot for a BYD Dolphin. I loved my Peugeot and the brand but couldn't justify the poor value for money for their new EV against a BYD.
Don't know about the byd but drove this Peugeot for a week. Drives fantastically, quiet, plenty fast for city driving, 3d cockpit screen is nice, gets about 200-250km on a single charge. But would buy used because 3 years old ones are already 50% off new.
Not on our shopping list 😂
You wouldn’t be alone methinks
That is crazy low range for an EV. Yikes.
Yeah it’s probably not enough to inspire to inspire confidence for a long drive
Way better than any chinese EV, Cupra also have magnificent cars with great build quality
Certainly looks good and the interior is finished well 👍
That's a pretty obtuse and ignorant thing to say. Even though I've been a long time French car driver, Chinese EV tech is simply better than the Europeans.
bloody hell that interior is pretty nasty , albiet with pretty decent seats. it is a pretty cheap EV for an euro brand so it's not unexpected
Seats are comfy 👍