LIKE if range is important to you & SHARE if you think car makers should make EVs from the ground up The Peugeot e2008 certainly looks the part, but how does it compare to the other compact SUV electric cars on the market? It's beautifully made and easy to drive, but for a car with a usable battery of 45kWh you might expect a better real world range than this offers. The inside is comfortable and it has a decent boot but it lacks a reversing camera and has some quirky internal lights that look flashy, but are a bit distracting. The e2008 is a decent effort, but in an increasingly crowded market for compact SUVs, does it do enough? You tell us! Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to TH-cam Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/fullychargedshow Become a TH-cam member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow *Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 0:50 Another compact SUV? 2:50 A good looking car 3:44 Don't dither, get the electric 5:39 Comfortable inside 5:56 Distracting lights 6:49 Inaccurate range stats 7:34 Peculiar software quirks 8:40 Where is the trip meter? 9:18 Speed stats 10:34 Nice big boot 11:17 No reversing camera! 11:52 GT features come at a price 13:13 Flashy but lacking range 13:48 Charging demo 15:52 Not blown away 16:14 Lean factor 17:40 Fossil fuel hangover 18:20 Don't love it, don't hate it 18:38 Subscribe, support, join
As a Peugeot salesman im confused as to the spec you have been given? The Allure does not have a camera but the Gt Line should have? you dont have to go to GT to get a camera? Looking at the model you have it is a GT Line with options, it has not got the alcantara interior but it does have the panoramic roof? Real life range should be about 180 from personal experience in town but maybe a lot less on motorways. Also Peugeot Marketing has been using the WLTP of 190-200 not the NEDC The ambient lights colour can be changed and also lowered or turned off completely. There is a button on the end of the wiper stalk to show you your trips including Mile per KWh Love the vids and i would love to answer any questions you might have as someone who is actually dealing with these models on a daily basis. Its a shame that it just arrived and a Peugeot Rep didn't run through some of the controls and features with you. things like the trip meter is something i would have shown you within the showroom let alone when you actually drive the car.
@@1818joe Thanks for that response Joe, and I cannot tell you the frustration level of knowing how to view the trip meter!! Gggnnnn!!!. It is also part of the problem of not having the car for longer, and also not doing enough research (my fail) but all that aside, I genuinely loved the car.
@@1818joe my thoughts entirely, I have a 3008 GT Line which I love, but I have front and rear cameras (front is an option), and the Focal sound system. I want the e3008 please.
If it's anything like my corsa-e you can only have the trip in the central screen in a sub menu which is crap, and yes you press the stalk to set the trip.
@@WojtekSiudzinski Trips - yes, consumption - no. French developers are very conservative and app has only fossil fuel support... It's a bummer when such a good car is darkened by software limitations. Several software tweaks in app and dashboard and it would be perfect...
Having driven one of these, I can say it's one of the quietest cars I've ever been in. Very refined. That familiarity to traditional cars works for a lot of people who don't want a wacky, novel experience from their car. They don't offer base spec trims because a) they don't sell well for any car - most people buy mid or top level trims anyway. b) how do you justify the cost of a base spec EV which is many thousands more expensive than the equivalent combustion car? You don't. You offer what people expect at that price point.
I appreciate you drive loads of cars so can't know all the options, this is for your viewers from an owner who has done 3500 miles so far ( much better than my last car Golf GTE). The dashboard lights are dimmable and the colours can be changed easily. There are two trip meters on the end of the right stalk giving range, speed and miles/Kwh. There are 3 power levels default/normal with the option of approx +/-10%, Although I would like another 50 miles of range I always get about 150 miles unless I drive it hard. The range is really quite accurate to your driving style so as you say yours is a journalists car. I hope this helps.
I actually have the rear camera that also shows the ground around the car ( 180 degrees ) as I reverse, standard on GT Line and GT. Probably not set correctly as it has options like auto zoom to show aerial view of the bumper. BTW it's possible to configure and save most things for 3 users or just stay with factory. I think a previous user has just been playing!
I own this car. The inside led can be dimmed or turned off if it bothers you. Mine don't bother me. Over 800 miles, I have an average 4.0 miles per kWh. I have heater on auto and get over 160 to 180 miles at this time of year. I'm a careful driver and expect much more miles in summer like I used to with my older leaf I had. I also have a reverse camera
4 miles per kWh? That sounds not plausible. This is only about 150Wh per km. The most efficient smaller EV use that. On the other hand I Wonder how much interior heating affects that rating. IFAIK there is no heat pump in this car.
I have had this model SE Line since July. During the summer I was averaging in excess of 6m/kWh but now we are in colder weather (plus I am doing shorter journeys) I am getting just under 4m/KWh. I plan on 160mile range during cold weather - shorter journeys using sport mode will decrease this but this is down to driving style
4:37 Why, oh why, oh WHY do you guys keep getting the conversions wrong! 290 Wh/mi should be 180 Wh/km (Pretty decent efficiency). Or alternatively, you have the units switched and it's really 290Wh/km and 466 Wh/mi (Pretty awful efficiency).
Or how about just forget the silly imperial units and stick with metric? If people can't understand metric units they can put into a conversion program, eventually they will learn to use metric.
I just had one of these as a loaner while my diesel car was in for a service. I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed driving it, so much so that I just drove aimlessly around for a while just to experience it some more:-) I liked the smooth linear power delivery and of course, how quiet it was. Some have mentioned intrusive road noise but I didn't find it intrusive at all. It rode quietly and smoothly, and I drove over some very rough roads. Space inside was ok too. I'm 6" and I found the space in the back seat behind me was more than adequate. I did find visibility a little restrictive though. The rear view mirror, because of the sharply raked windscreen, was half way down the windscreen and blocked a lot of the view to the left. Also, I found judging the near side a bit tricky due to the high bonnet line so squeezing through narrow gaps in traffic was a little tricky at first, but I quickly go used to it. I also liked all the high tech in the car such as sat nav, apple and google play, reverse camera, inductive charging for smart phones etc. You couldn't ask for anything more. As for range I got it fully charged and in eco mode it had a range of 192 miles. This went down to about 170 miles in normal and 150 I think it was in sport mode. I found eco mode a bit sluggish and the accelerator required a fair push to get moving along nicely. Also, heating/air con was restricted in this mode too. Normal and sport were more like an ice car and it was these modes I used most. When I took it back eco mode was showing a range left as 100 miles. I hadn't done 92 miles, only about 50, but I had used normal and sport modes a lot and had the heating on so that must have been where the extra charge was used. To sum up I was quite impressed with this 'looks bigger than what it is' little car and seriously considered considered getting one, until I discovered the price! The spec I had was a new Allure Premium+GT with just 300 miles on the clock. It retailed at a fraction below £40,000! That's a hefty price to pay for an electric motor and some lithium batteries I thought. I'm still considering though, mainly to use locally, which is most of my driving anyway, and also because the tech intrigues me🙂 This all electric car is not something to use if you're doing lots of motorway miles but they are a great city car and 95% or more of us do drive mostly locally. As we all know they have no exhaust so don't pollute locally or wherever you're driving. They simply move the pollution elsewhere, ie, the power station where the pollution can be dealt with in one place with various filters etc. Which is a big plus I think:-)
I have been waiting for this review for a while. Remember the e208 from Fully Charged live 2019. Loved the design. The seat comfort was on the firm side. This year my parents were looking for there next car. They wanted a petrol powered jeep compass! I took them to Peugeot as it was the only electric SUV available on the Motability scheme (other than the MG). Made sure they tried the petrol first, then the electric. As soon as we got back to the dealership from the test drive they were sold on the e2008. The seats are much more comfortable than the e208, with enough room in the rear for tall adults and enough space for a wheelchair. They are also offering a free polar membership for a while, with a home charger as far as I know. When my parents went to make the factory order at the dealership, Motability took the car off the list that day! They didn't give us a real reason why, just usual grumble nonsense. 3 weeks later they put the car back on the list and my parents have ordered there first EV. They ordered the e2008 in GT spec. Handover is expected early next year. exciting times. Hope to make it to the next fully charged live whenever it happens.
About the “transition car” stuff: I have to disagree with you. The consumer has to transition to electric as well, so I think it's good that it still feels familiar to them. For example, I am waiting for a an electric saloon car (such as the 508) that doesn't look like a kitchen appliance/spaceship.
Honestly making a transition car in any case is a bad move. EV's are interesting because they are not bound to the internals of ICE. So interior shapes and exterior shapes can be drastically different. Which makes them feel interesting and new. From a new EV I at least expect 500 KM range and 150KW charging. So far only a small portion of EVs managed this. Many EV's made in 2020 were there mainly for regulations. Let's face it. Otherwise they would have waited a year with way more range and charge speeds. This includes ID.3, 4 and also the 208 and 2008. Especially horrible EV's like the Honda-E and Mazda MX-30 show that these are just statement cars. Not actually viable cars made for everyday use.
@@Astke I disagree, many are not interesting, they are just ugly. Many car enthusiasts detest the "Johnny 5" design mentality that seems to prevail with EVs too. We want a car that looks like a proper car but uses electric as the power source. Transition cars are a great idea, particularly if they get people like me to buy them, they sell well and help steer designers away from the novelty toy designs they are churning out. Because if all I had to choose from was ID3 or model 3 type cars with their revolting interior UI design, I would have to be dragged away from my ICE cars kicking and screaming.
I put it to you all, those who say that cars aren't getting more and more cookie cutter, that you probably couldn't look at blacked out silhouettes of several different makes of compact SUV and crossover, and be able to tell which is which quickly and accurately. Also, you're not being picky about that interior light, it's a safety hazard. Glad to hear someone else recognizes that a simple example of AN car, with no frills and just the basic features that you'd expect on a base model 1995 honda civic, with 200 miles of range in the winter, would sell faster than they could fill out the order form.
Have you looked at the side profiles of 2000's Saxo's, 106's, and Fiesta's? Cars within the same class looking similar is not a new thing, its more or less how its been for a very long time.
The question for Robert is this or a MG ZS exclusive? Because that is cheaper and better specced, with a similar range (or better if Roberts experience holds true over long term)
I have the MG and for 22000 I'm over the moon. Range has been perfect except for driving it back from dealer in Wales on busy m5 with no charge points working. No longer a novice, I now just know where the super reliable instavolt stations are, but have only used x3 as all my charging is at home. This car looks very similar to mine probably slightly better range. I'm averaging 17kWh per 100km (or 3.7miles per kWh). Wife and kids love it. Just activating the "granny cable" with WiFi switch now as going to bed, for the most ECO friendly overnight electricity, planning to get octopus go when I'm less frantic at work. Don't think Rob has been to excited by either SUV, but MG is outselling most others due to price.
I went with the MG over this. Other than a few nitpicks I’m very happy with it, especially as the dealership had a £6000 discount on top of the £3000 government grant.
I have ordered a GT line my daily commute to and from work is 28 miles and weekend around 40 to 45 miles each day on a very busy weekend. So realistic I’am looking at around 220 miles a week. So a month around 880 miles, if I only get 150 miles out of a full charge which I think is a bit low looking at all the evidence that’s just under 6 full charges a month. My electric supplier after 12.30am till 04.00am charges 0.05p per kWh this means less then £20 a month. I honestly can’t remember when I last went on holiday in this country I live 2 miles from Manchester airport and the last 30 years use this for my travel needs. If I can’t plug a car in 6 times a month on my drive and set it via the app to start charging at 00.30 in the morning there is something seriously wrong with me and I shouldn’t be allowed to drive on public roads. If the average driver takes time and thinks about their average distance spent in their cars each month they will soon realise that the obsession with range is just something everyone else seems obsessed with and the average person could easily live with any electric vehicle.
I have an e208 and I think I know the reason why Robert has been getting less predicted range. If I have been driving my e208 on the highway, it would need a FEW DAYS for the range to readjust to the lower consumption of city driving. The range estumation doesn't change rapidly when you go from high to low consumption and I think this was intentional, so your range prediction doesn't change rapidly up and down all the time and stress you. Mind you, I use ABRP to plan my trips, so I don't really care about shown range :) Cheers!
Started watching your content a few days ago. All cars so far that are not available in Canada but I'm still fascinated by what the rest of the world is doing! Would love to see some Chinese electric cars pop up on your channel as well! Takes me out of my north american bubble :)
Dacia announced an electric car, this car will be cheap (below 20k) and probably won't have as many shiny features, therefore it will just be a pragmatic car to get you from a to b.
At the Peugeot pre-launch event I said to the Rep that all EVs, not just the top trim, should have a reversing camera because pedestrians won't know they are about to move back. Every EV on sale today should have a cable storage area under the bonnet, not a quaint handbag taking up luggage space
Do they come standard with pedestrian emergency stop front and back? If so, the camera would just be an extra nice thing to have but not absolutely necessary.
“Waiting for a different designer to make an electric car not like a petrol car”.......the BMW i3 Robert! 8 years old. Designed and engineered for electric. Nothings been built like it since. And it STILL looks more futuristic and fresh than any other. Wheels in each corner, short blunt overhangs. CRF tub ultra lightweight. It’s brilliant! Shame no ones had the gumption, except VW now with the ID3 to do one. (Tesla’s are 3 box design)
I own one of these and have been in contact with the makers about range indications. As a very careful driver I get 4.6 miles per kilo potato but, from less than 90 miles showing a couple of nights ago, a full charge lifted that to 124 miles though indicating 100% on another page. I thinks there's a software glitch. I love you btw.
Do you watch "On The Road" (ITV 4)? They've just (tonight - 26th) reviewed the Peugeot 2008 - both the petrol and electric variations side by side. And - spoiler alert - refreshingly for a TV motoring show they were positive about the electric version.
Miles per gallon is directly related to the cost of electricity. If I charge at home on overnight 4.47p kwh I get 240mpge. If I charge in Tesla Superchargers at 24p kw I get 60mpge. If I charge off shell at 39p kw I get 39 mpge. Most public charge points are very expensive.
If my Renault kangoo ze had a 100 kw battery instead of it’s 33kw and held 200+ winter range here in Gloucestershire for back lane drives you open it up by taking the panel out behind the drivers seat I would keep it for more than it’s current 10k instead of wanting to upgrade to a cyber truck as soon as.. love the channel.thanks.
For the first time a deslike from me. About the range this was based on the driving style from previous drivers. From other tests and from owners the range is good. I think is not an issue if the car was build for being compatible with a combustion engine as well.
Thank you so much for pushing for non-deluxe electrics. I’ve been concerned that automakers are using the ev arrival to up sell us into something I and many others will never afford. That’s been a consistent message from governments and oil boosters, EVs are unsuitable for ‘lower classes’. It’s the main reason Quebec announced a 2035 0 gas mandate in lieu of 2030.
I'm not sure what Robert is complaining about when he says it looks like an ICE car and not something designed from the ground up as electric. Exactly what is it missing that it should have, or conversely what has it got that it shouldn't - in relation to ICE vs. EV? This is not the first time this complaint has been made and I don't understand it. What are the designers missing that is apparently so important? I can only conclude that the use of regular instruments and gauges in the position accepted by all except Tesla as the best location, i.e. in front of the driver, is what causes Robert to complain. He is a Tesla owner and it appears to make him think any car with information display in the traditional location, i.e. in front of the driver is 'dated'. I know he had a Model S, but now a Model 3 which he loves and I think leads him to mistakenly believes that all EVs should now have an iPod stuck on the middle of the dash and nothing else with which to control the car. In fact the reason why most cars have their info. display in front of the driver is because ergonomically IT'S THE BEST PLACE. I know you can get used to turning your head to see the Tesla iPod, but that is NOT as convenient as simply dropping your eyes. That's why every manufacturer designs their cars that way (except Tesla) as the last 100 years of auto design have concluded that in front of the driver is indeed the best place. Then Tesla come along and have to be different and being more computer oriented than car manufacturer, they mistakenly think one big single touch screen display in the middle of the dash is a cool idea. NO IT'S NOT. It's a stupid place to have everything and touch screens are a nightmare to use while driving, especially on a rough road. I don't hate Tesla at all and admire them greatly, but their choice of information display and control system as it is on everything bar the Model S, is dumb and the main reason I would not buy one. It all reminds me of the company that has probably influenced User Interface design more than any other, at least in this millennium - Apple. In the early days of the Mac they wanted to encourage good software and UI design from their fledgeling developer community and published a book titled 'Human Interface Guidelines', to assist developers and ensure a coherent design for all Mac software. In this book I read the immortal phrase that I have never forgotten:- "Consistency should be valued above idiosyncratic cleverness" In trying to be different and hence inconsistent with all other UI design of in-car information displays, Tesla have displayed an appalling tendency for what I would actually term "idiosyncratic stupidity". Being different is not a good thing when what you have made different is WORSE than what went before. But to return to the original point, I'd be interested to hear what Robert does think makes the Peugeot too much like an ICE car?
I so agree with you about range, it’s the one things petrol heads embarrass us EV fans with. You never ask a sales person when buying a gas car, how far will this car travel when I fill it with gas. And how long will it take to fill up ? Elon has most car makers over a barrel.
EPA has MPG equivalent numbers for city and highway cycles. I always liked those for comparisons of EV vs EV as well as the reason that it demonstrates the huge efficiency difference between ICE and EVs in general.
it has a trip meter. but it is buried as you say. You have access it through your personal controls on the 3d dash and then press the button on the knob to your right. You can have up to 2 trip meters at once
I'm happy to hear you repeat my rant a few weeks ago on your site about the needless add-ons that jack up the price and doesn't get into the hands of the average consumer. These will not be common vehicles until the gee whizz engineers keep force feeding us what we don want or need, which is a a sub $18,000 vehicle BEFORE incentives. I understand the Chinese labor costs are different and affect the price there, but why are the prices doubled or more just to arrive on other shores? As long as the companies are beholden to the fossil fuel industries, quarterly dividends to shareholders, executives bonuses and salaries and not the customers needs, there will not be widespread adoption of EV's available to the average consumer. I don't need a $800-$1000 watch or cell phone to be able to tell time or call my friends and family. The less expensive versions are widely available. My delicate ego can handle it.
130 miles on a full charge, that’s terrible. Long live Kia / Hyundai large battery cars with 280 miles. I can’t say I’m impressed with the 2008e Robert. My number one choice would be the eSoul. For price / range / speed / standard equipment / safety features it is a winner. Great review though Robert, great channel. Greetings from Cumbria. Stay safe and well.
It is the only ev I have found today with a usable ground clearance. The range is fine and a bigger battery would need to be lower making the car heavy and pretty useless where I live.
I am more venal than Robert, I tend to calculate the financial mpg equivalent , which is more relevant for me. At 3.5 mpkWh and a 8p cost per kWh, and a Gallon price of £5 ish it's over 225 mpge£. 👍
The conversion from a US gallon to electricity = 33.7kWh So, taking the miles/kWh X 33.7 = MPGe In our e-Golf, we have averaged 5.5 miles/kWh so that is 185MPGe. In our Bolt EV, we have been averaging 4.5 miles/kWh = 151MPGe. 290Wh/mile = 1000/290 = 3.45 miles/kWh = 116MPGe - in US gallons, at least.
I'm assuming you get your vehicle price from the press pack, however £28,650 is incorrect, on the Peugeot website it has the base 'Active' version with electric drive train for the OTR price of £32,065 (£29,065 with grant) and the GT Line is £35,915 (£32,915). Compared to the petrol /auto versions of this car these vehicles have a premium of ~24% and ~17%, really stretches the definition of 'way better' ....
GT line - is the production line where they are thrown together faster! :-) - - If they discard all the gimmicks, bells and whistles, they could be sold for less. My current fossil car has an FM/DAB radio/cd player fitted. I turned it on when I bought the thing, to see if it worked, and it hasn't been turned on since - don't need or use it. I prefer the silence so I can hear what is going on around outside. - - Why do you keep measuring boot/trunk space in LITRES? I don't carry loose liquids in the back. Measure length, width, height in feet and inches, or if you really must - in those foreign centimetre things. Range -needs a bit more. A place I go to regularly is a 210 mile round trip - in good weather - and there is nowhere there to charge up while I'm away from the vehicle, so I'd be adding at least half an hour to the travel time - IF big IF I can find a charger that works - so I can get home again! - - And that big, ugly, square front, so inefficient. Yuk!
I wonder if legacy manufacturers will for many years struggle to sell an e-Up! size EV with anything like a decent range and still make a profit. The Chinese are making some amazing small paired back proper city EVs, but for some reason I dont think that will be the norm. I think an ID2 / Polo sized car will be as small as they will go.
A lot of mistakes Robert, and the range a central point of the review. As you said, 130miles are from the last driver, that is why it is taking a long time to update the range. If you could not figure out how to get the trip odometer or dimming the ambiance lights, you should read the manual or contact Peugeot, not put it a review.
The only thing is that the Peugeot charges up to 100kW, so it's better for rushing when you want to unplug at 60 or 70%. On the other hand, Kona has more range, more efficient. In my opinion, I would buy the cheapest one, the best deal.
The government needs to rethink the subsidy available to private buyers. Company car drivers get 0% BIK every year of ownership, private buyers get a one off £3k grant.
I feel that all the comments dissing the range over and over is a bit of an Ice-hangover as well... I think way too much emphasis is put on fast charging and range - essentially comparing to the ice experience on road trips. Some people might drive far often but most don't. Why not focus on how the car does for urban everyday driving and shoot in a note on what to expect on long trips. This car has enough range to handle everyday urban driving for almost everybody and the reasonably fast charging makes the occasional long trip quite ok. After having a tesla model 3 for 3 months, we used superching for one trip. I think its time to stop downplaying mid-range EVs. From a resource-perspective and in a world where electric cars are battery starved, these cars should not be downplayed like this.
If Kona and e-niro compact SUVs can do 280 miles of range (easily) why are we constantly seeing new compact SUVs that don’t get anywhere near this? I know not everyone needs this but surely it could be an option on all compact SUVs? i find a lot of new electric vehicles are content just to be somewhere in the ballpark, they don’t even want to compete. This market is still disappointing me. To me there should be 4 or 5 cars at least coming out each year that should be tempting me away from my current electric car (Kia e-niro) . nothing holding a candle to it in the same price range currently. Still love watching though.
So another equivalence is that this car has a 1 ½ Gallon fuel tank? Approximately. And depending on outside temperature, that will take you 130 miles? Buildings EVs for the sake of it is undermining the whole idea of sustainable transport.
Same range reports with all PSA eCMP based platform cars so far. Its just not very efficient at high speeds at all. And when you add ICE aerodynamics to the mix, that just tops if off.
So you unplug it at 100% or 98% and the Range showing is from the last figure you were getting. So the car was just at 3.0 or 3.1. There is a trip meter. Read the owners manual, or just turn the left hand stalk and look through the options in front of your eyes. Strange the range some people say they can get at motorway speeds with the bigger PSA models all using the same platforms. Especially the taller / heavier ones ton bigger wheels / tyres than say the e-Corsa which is the lightest and lowest. Are many owners driving alone with no luggage & the tyres over inflated?
No fault of Roberts, but these mid size front wheel drive suvs based are becoming really samy. Was musing today- zoe ze50 powertrain in a kangoo or caddy sized van... How exciting would that be.
Great looking car but the price difference between petrol and electric is circa £12,000. That's enough for 90,000 miles of spirited driving. The electric version needs to be closer in price
MPGe does not take into account the motor energy conversion wich varies a lot. 25% to 45% energy convertion efficiency for ice. In the physics world, running at 65mph require the same power, the nature if the thing does not care what is pushing it. But Electric can regen kinetic energy, that an ice car cannot. So 130 MPGe is in reality around 130/3 = 43 mpg at the pump. This is really good figure that a good ice car can do Electric car manufacturers are forced to have this good because of low energy density of actual batteries.
It is dangerous to compare energy efficiencies between petrol and electric without taking in consideration the total chain of energy transformation from primary to final product. What's in your electrical car battery is the almost final product as you have the efficiency of the engine to consider as well, whilst for petrol the engine efficiency is pretty poor (25 to 35 % depending on the technology). For the electricity used you need to consider how it was produced, transported and stored, which is complex as the electricity you store in your batteries could be generated from many different sources ( gas, coal, nuclear, hydro, wind solar...). For Petrol or diesel, you have to consider the efficiency in its extraction, transport and refining. I guess what would be more important to consider is the primary source of the electricity generation, the losses in its transport and storage. Also something that is not mentioned enough is the weight of cars in general, which is not helped by the heavy batteries needed for long ranges. The heavier the car the less energy efficient it will be.
I know where you're going with "it's built for a combustion engine but they've adapted it for an electric motor", but if the design is nice, is it really necessary for the car to scream out "I'm an EV"? And what should that be then? The front window on top of the front bumper, so people would know there can't be a combustion engine there? Nothing wrong with having the car look like a CAR, in my opinion. The only thing not enough manufacturers do is take advantage of the extra available space (in the frunk). But that supposedly is partly because it's harder (expensive) to fit in frunks and pass crash tests. At least, that's an explanation I heard from a Smart executive, who explained why there's only a tiny 15l frunk in the Smart #1. And to come back to my first point, the old tiny Smart cars hardly had an engine compartment, and they never became a success partly because they just looked weird to many people. So now Smart has changed directions and their new car (although an EV) looks like a CAR instead of a box on wheels.
I think if you are reviewing a car you should take the time to research the car first so you can actually talk about it in confidence, I have been a Patreon supporter, I won't go into details as to why I am no longer a Patreon supporter but this video is partly the reason. Most of it was you saying how bad this car is and things you don't like about it, the GOM is particularly bad until it gets to know you. I have owned a Tesla Model S, I now own this cars smaller cousin the e208. It is an incredible car, by far the nicest looking ev in my opinion and the 2008 is a close second. Please do take the time to learn the cars features before you make grandiose statements that are factually incorrect, it just undermines the credibility of Fully Charged as a channel, looking forward to that time, and then I can support Fully Charged once more, it has been for me for the last 5 years one of the best ev channels out there, lets keep it that way.
Get my gt e2008 on the 30th of November... already Ayer hearing you I’m really worried about the range but I have a friend in Sweden that’s running a 208e and he’s getting 320km normal driving... so hopefully mines going to be better than 150..
Don't worry. Range drops a lot when you pick and drive 140km/h or more and car adjusts the calculation. He picked a car and had a review without even bothering to investigate property. You made a great choice- it's a fantastic car and the range is good.
Can't see a cost per mile happening anytime soon. More likely a tax at public chargers and a large increase on road tax will be a more practical starting point.
The fact the car looks like a car, was reason why i chose this one. I massively dislike the general EV designs. EQS-class mercedes one of the most horrible ones. But ID3 ID4 too. Horror. :)
had a look on the New Zealand peugeot website, seems they are not interested in selling this model to us, but that's typical as our government is crap when it comes to pushing EVs so our car market is all about ice still, goes to show that they are all still not interested in selling the world EVs if they are not pushed by goverments to do so.
I like the channel, but I am disappointed in the recent reviews. The range calculation is wrong, no mention of benefits of 100kW charging and c'mon, you can just ask anyone who drives Peugeot, they will tell you where the trip meter is. In my opinion this car is in between Zoe and ID.3 Pure. Yes, it has less range, but the faster charging will allow you to travel at similar speed or even faster during longer trips.
Soo... it uses 466 Wh per kilometer? And 1 mile is 1,6 km. That means it uses 1,6x466Wh per mile = 745,6 Wh/mile. Also known as 290 Wh/mile?? This kind of math has been in several videos, plz get it right? Otherwise.. LOVE your show!! 😊
And again the math isn't correct, 290wh/mi is not 466wh/km you need to divide by 1,609344 not multiply. so the correct number is 180wh/km. A km is a smaller unit than a mile, so it is just pure logic that the consumption per km is lower than the consumption per mile.
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The Peugeot e2008 certainly looks the part, but how does it compare to the other compact SUV electric cars on the market? It's beautifully made and easy to drive, but for a car with a usable battery of 45kWh you might expect a better real world range than this offers. The inside is comfortable and it has a decent boot but it lacks a reversing camera and has some quirky internal lights that look flashy, but are a bit distracting. The e2008 is a decent effort, but in an increasingly crowded market for compact SUVs, does it do enough? You tell us!
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*Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:50 Another compact SUV?
2:50 A good looking car
3:44 Don't dither, get the electric
5:39 Comfortable inside
5:56 Distracting lights
6:49 Inaccurate range stats
7:34 Peculiar software quirks
8:40 Where is the trip meter?
9:18 Speed stats
10:34 Nice big boot
11:17 No reversing camera!
11:52 GT features come at a price
13:13 Flashy but lacking range
13:48 Charging demo
15:52 Not blown away
16:14 Lean factor
17:40 Fossil fuel hangover
18:20 Don't love it, don't hate it
18:38 Subscribe, support, join
As a Peugeot salesman im confused as to the spec you have been given? The Allure does not have a camera but the Gt Line should have? you dont have to go to GT to get a camera?
Looking at the model you have it is a GT Line with options, it has not got the alcantara interior but it does have the panoramic roof?
Real life range should be about 180 from personal experience in town but maybe a lot less on motorways. Also Peugeot Marketing has been using the WLTP of 190-200 not the NEDC
The ambient lights colour can be changed and also lowered or turned off completely.
There is a button on the end of the wiper stalk to show you your trips including Mile per KWh
Love the vids and i would love to answer any questions you might have as someone who is actually dealing with these models on a daily basis. Its a shame that it just arrived and a Peugeot Rep didn't run through some of the controls and features with you. things like the trip meter is something i would have shown you within the showroom let alone when you actually drive the car.
@@1818joe Thanks for that response Joe, and I cannot tell you the frustration level of knowing how to view the trip meter!! Gggnnnn!!!. It is also part of the problem of not having the car for longer, and also not doing enough research (my fail) but all that aside, I genuinely loved the car.
Ive had this now for a month. Have had consistently 193miles on the range meter.
Our range has been averaging 170-180 miles after about 1000 miles of normal (not particularly careful) driving, including plenty of motorways.
@@1818joe my thoughts entirely, I have a 3008 GT Line which I love, but I have front and rear cameras (front is an option), and the Focal sound system. I want the e3008 please.
Trip meter on all modern Peugeot cars is displayed on the instrument panel when you press the button on the end of the wiper stalk.
If it's anything like my corsa-e you can only have the trip in the central screen in a sub menu which is crap, and yes you press the stalk to set the trip.
It can also be set up to be displayed on one of the "personal" dashboard layouts
It's "optional information" and has to be chosen as part of either Personal 1 or Personal 2, dash view.
I believe the MyPeugot app also will show all the trips including the power consumption
@@WojtekSiudzinski Trips - yes, consumption - no. French developers are very conservative and app has only fossil fuel support... It's a bummer when such a good car is darkened by software limitations. Several software tweaks in app and dashboard and it would be perfect...
Having driven one of these, I can say it's one of the quietest cars I've ever been in. Very refined. That familiarity to traditional cars works for a lot of people who don't want a wacky, novel experience from their car. They don't offer base spec trims because a) they don't sell well for any car - most people buy mid or top level trims anyway. b) how do you justify the cost of a base spec EV which is many thousands more expensive than the equivalent combustion car? You don't. You offer what people expect at that price point.
I appreciate you drive loads of cars so can't know all the options, this is for your viewers from an owner who has done 3500 miles so far ( much better than my last car Golf GTE). The dashboard lights are dimmable and the colours can be changed easily. There are two trip meters on the end of the right stalk giving range, speed and miles/Kwh. There are 3 power levels default/normal with the option of approx +/-10%, Although I would like another 50 miles of range I always get about 150 miles unless I drive it hard. The range is really quite accurate to your driving style so as you say yours is a journalists car. I hope this helps.
but he is right about no back camera??
I actually have the rear camera that also shows the ground around the car ( 180 degrees ) as I reverse, standard on GT Line and GT. Probably not set correctly as it has options like auto zoom to show aerial view of the bumper. BTW it's possible to configure and save most things for 3 users or just stay with factory. I think a previous user has just been playing!
@@oksyar The GT Line has a reversing camera and a heat pump. lol.
I own this car. The inside led can be dimmed or turned off if it bothers you. Mine don't bother me.
Over 800 miles, I have an average 4.0 miles per kWh. I have heater on auto and get over 160 to 180 miles at this time of year. I'm a careful driver and expect much more miles in summer like I used to with my older leaf I had.
I also have a reverse camera
I don't think I've ever been in a car where the interior switch lights, mood lighting or infomedia screen can't be dimmed.
4 miles per kWh? That sounds not plausible. This is only about 150Wh per km. The most efficient smaller EV use that. On the other hand I Wonder how much interior heating affects that rating. IFAIK there is no heat pump in this car.
your maths is a bit out Martin. 4miles per kWh is 250Wh/mile, so sounds very plausible. and with 45kWh battery that would be 180miles of range.
I have had this model SE Line since July. During the summer I was averaging in excess of 6m/kWh but now we are in colder weather (plus I am doing shorter journeys) I am getting just under 4m/KWh. I plan on 160mile range during cold weather - shorter journeys using sport mode will decrease this but this is down to driving style
So pretty much what Bjorn Nyland got on his range test! 👍
4:37 Why, oh why, oh WHY do you guys keep getting the conversions wrong!
290 Wh/mi should be 180 Wh/km (Pretty decent efficiency). Or alternatively, you have the units switched and it's really 290Wh/km and 466 Wh/mi (Pretty awful efficiency).
I suspect it done specifically to irritate people like, er.......
I think he left his math-circuits at the set of Red Dwarf.
I was just about to make a comment about this and saw this. Robert, you need to fix this.
@@mdashikuzzaman I was also going to point out this - and they did this mistake at least 3 times recently, not only in this episode !
Or how about just forget the silly imperial units and stick with metric? If people can't understand metric units they can put into a conversion program, eventually they will learn to use metric.
I just had one of these as a loaner while my diesel car was in for a service. I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed driving it, so much so that I just drove aimlessly around for a while just to experience it some more:-) I liked the smooth linear power delivery and of course, how quiet it was. Some have mentioned intrusive road noise but I didn't find it intrusive at all. It rode quietly and smoothly, and I drove over some very rough roads. Space inside was ok too. I'm 6" and I found the space in the back seat behind me was more than adequate.
I did find visibility a little restrictive though. The rear view mirror, because of the sharply raked windscreen, was half way down the windscreen and blocked a lot of the view to the left. Also, I found judging the near side a bit tricky due to the high bonnet line so squeezing through narrow gaps in traffic was a little tricky at first, but I quickly go used to it.
I also liked all the high tech in the car such as sat nav, apple and google play, reverse camera, inductive charging for smart phones etc. You couldn't ask for anything more.
As for range I got it fully charged and in eco mode it had a range of 192 miles. This went down to about 170 miles in normal and 150 I think it was in sport mode. I found eco mode a bit sluggish and the accelerator required a fair push to get moving along nicely. Also, heating/air con was restricted in this mode too. Normal and sport were more like an ice car and it was these modes I used most. When I took it back eco mode was showing a range left as 100 miles. I hadn't done 92 miles, only about 50, but I had used normal and sport modes a lot and had the heating on so that must have been where the extra charge was used.
To sum up I was quite impressed with this 'looks bigger than what it is' little car and seriously considered considered getting one, until I discovered the price! The spec I had was a new Allure Premium+GT with just 300 miles on the clock. It retailed at a fraction below £40,000! That's a hefty price to pay for an electric motor and some lithium batteries I thought. I'm still considering though, mainly to use locally, which is most of my driving anyway, and also because the tech intrigues me🙂
This all electric car is not something to use if you're doing lots of motorway miles but they are a great city car and 95% or more of us do drive mostly locally. As we all know they have no exhaust so don't pollute locally or wherever you're driving. They simply move the pollution elsewhere, ie, the power station where the pollution can be dealt with in one place with various filters etc. Which is a big plus I think:-)
I have been waiting for this review for a while. Remember the e208 from Fully Charged live 2019. Loved the design. The seat comfort was on the firm side. This year my parents were looking for there next car. They wanted a petrol powered jeep compass! I took them to Peugeot as it was the only electric SUV available on the Motability scheme (other than the MG). Made sure they tried the petrol first, then the electric. As soon as we got back to the dealership from the test drive they were sold on the e2008. The seats are much more comfortable than the e208, with enough room in the rear for tall adults and enough space for a wheelchair. They are also offering a free polar membership for a while, with a home charger as far as I know. When my parents went to make the factory order at the dealership, Motability took the car off the list that day! They didn't give us a real reason why, just usual grumble nonsense. 3 weeks later they put the car back on the list and my parents have ordered there first EV. They ordered the e2008 in GT spec. Handover is expected early next year. exciting times. Hope to make it to the next fully charged live whenever it happens.
This really confirmed my comfort experience with the seats. I have just ordered one and the seats were one of features for me.
@@claireasher4487 Me too. We've just told her on hope it comes soon.
The ambient lighting level should be adjustable in vehicle settings.
Yes, you can set the color and brightness in your user profile.
Our GT Line e2008 came with a reversing camera as standard....
About the “transition car” stuff: I have to disagree with you. The consumer has to transition to electric as well, so I think it's good that it still feels familiar to them.
For example, I am waiting for a an electric saloon car (such as the 508) that doesn't look like a kitchen appliance/spaceship.
The pricetag for is not transitioning however. That's a shame.
Honestly making a transition car in any case is a bad move. EV's are interesting because they are not bound to the internals of ICE. So interior shapes and exterior shapes can be drastically different. Which makes them feel interesting and new. From a new EV I at least expect 500 KM range and 150KW charging. So far only a small portion of EVs managed this.
Many EV's made in 2020 were there mainly for regulations. Let's face it. Otherwise they would have waited a year with way more range and charge speeds. This includes ID.3, 4 and also the 208 and 2008. Especially horrible EV's like the Honda-E and Mazda MX-30 show that these are just statement cars. Not actually viable cars made for everyday use.
I'm waiting for a decent shooting brake - the MG5 is a choice of 1 only
@@Astke I disagree, many are not interesting, they are just ugly. Many car enthusiasts detest the "Johnny 5" design mentality that seems to prevail with EVs too. We want a car that looks like a proper car but uses electric as the power source. Transition cars are a great idea, particularly if they get people like me to buy them, they sell well and help steer designers away from the novelty toy designs they are churning out. Because if all I had to choose from was ID3 or model 3 type cars with their revolting interior UI design, I would have to be dragged away from my ICE cars kicking and screaming.
One nice feature of this car is the really quiet cabin. It is quieter than the Taycan, remarkable for it's price range
I put it to you all, those who say that cars aren't getting more and more cookie cutter, that you probably couldn't look at blacked out silhouettes of several different makes of compact SUV and crossover, and be able to tell which is which quickly and accurately. Also, you're not being picky about that interior light, it's a safety hazard. Glad to hear someone else recognizes that a simple example of AN car, with no frills and just the basic features that you'd expect on a base model 1995 honda civic, with 200 miles of range in the winter, would sell faster than they could fill out the order form.
You thinking abilities are good but no average consumer will buy a car without decent features these days
Have you looked at the side profiles of 2000's Saxo's, 106's, and Fiesta's? Cars within the same class looking similar is not a new thing, its more or less how its been for a very long time.
@@aljowen I'm WELL aware. Just look at most of the pickup trucks from the mid 90's - mid 2000's. Most of the sedans for the last 60 years too.
The question for Robert is this or a MG ZS exclusive? Because that is cheaper and better specced, with a similar range (or better if Roberts experience holds true over long term)
I have the MG and for 22000 I'm over the moon. Range has been perfect except for driving it back from dealer in Wales on busy m5 with no charge points working. No longer a novice, I now just know where the super reliable instavolt stations are, but have only used x3 as all my charging is at home. This car looks very similar to mine probably slightly better range. I'm averaging 17kWh per 100km (or 3.7miles per kWh). Wife and kids love it. Just activating the "granny cable" with WiFi switch now as going to bed, for the most ECO friendly overnight electricity, planning to get octopus go when I'm less frantic at work. Don't think Rob has been to excited by either SUV, but MG is outselling most others due to price.
I went with the MG over this. Other than a few nitpicks I’m very happy with it, especially as the dealership had a £6000 discount on top of the £3000 government grant.
@@stapsell Nathaniel in Cardiff, by any chance? That’s where I got mine
The MG its actually made by a vertically integrated battery manufacturer.
@@insomniavfx Panda motors in Swansea. Nice gang
I have ordered a GT line my daily commute to and from work is 28 miles and weekend around 40 to 45 miles each day on a very busy weekend. So realistic I’am looking at around 220 miles a week. So a month around 880 miles, if I only get 150 miles out of a full charge which I think is a bit low looking at all the evidence that’s just under 6 full charges a month. My electric supplier after 12.30am till 04.00am charges 0.05p per kWh this means less then £20 a month. I honestly can’t remember when I last went on holiday in this country I live 2 miles from Manchester airport and the last 30 years use this for my travel needs. If I can’t plug a car in 6 times a month on my drive and set it via the app to start charging at 00.30 in the morning there is something seriously wrong with me and I shouldn’t be allowed to drive on public roads. If the average driver takes time and thinks about their average distance spent in their cars each month they will soon realise that the obsession with range is just something everyone else seems obsessed with and the average person could easily live with any electric vehicle.
Very well said.
Love your honesty. Keep up the good work.
16:03 Reminded me of Scrapheap Challenge intro music
I have an e208 and I think I know the reason why Robert has been getting less predicted range. If I have been driving my e208 on the highway, it would need a FEW DAYS for the range to readjust to the lower consumption of city driving. The range estumation doesn't change rapidly when you go from high to low consumption and I think this was intentional, so your range prediction doesn't change rapidly up and down all the time and stress you. Mind you, I use ABRP to plan my trips, so I don't really care about shown range :) Cheers!
ABRP?
Started watching your content a few days ago. All cars so far that are not available in Canada but I'm still fascinated by what the rest of the world is doing! Would love to see some Chinese electric cars pop up on your channel as well! Takes me out of my north american bubble :)
Dacia announced an electric car, this car will be cheap (below 20k) and probably won't have as many shiny features, therefore it will just be a pragmatic car to get you from a to b.
At the Peugeot pre-launch event I said to the Rep that all EVs, not just the top trim, should have a reversing camera because pedestrians won't know they are about to move back. Every EV on sale today should have a cable storage area under the bonnet, not a quaint handbag taking up luggage space
He said he usually stored the cable under the boot floor panel.
Do they come standard with pedestrian emergency stop front and back? If so, the camera would just be an extra nice thing to have but not absolutely necessary.
There's a great hidden storage area under the shelf in the boot.
“Waiting for a different designer to make an electric car not like a petrol car”.......the BMW i3 Robert!
8 years old. Designed and engineered for electric. Nothings been built like it since. And it STILL looks more futuristic and fresh than any other. Wheels in each corner, short blunt overhangs. CRF tub ultra lightweight. It’s brilliant! Shame no ones had the gumption, except VW now with the ID3 to do one. (Tesla’s are 3 box design)
I have always had a liking for Peugeot, that looks cool. No reversing camera because you can actually see out of the rear window.
Add some night driving would be nice, to see the interior light and more importantly the headlights at work, good or not?
I own one of these and have been in contact with the makers about range indications. As a very careful driver I get 4.6 miles per kilo potato but, from less than 90 miles showing a couple of nights ago, a full charge lifted that to 124 miles though indicating 100% on another page. I thinks there's a software glitch. I love you btw.
Yet another "Spot-on" review. Thank you.
Turn the mood lighting down in the settings!
Really like the front seats in the new Peugeot cars.
I like your new video editing style, who ever is doing it, keep up the good work
It would be nice to have a head to head test and comparison with the MG ZS EV as its similar spec for far less money
Do you watch "On The Road" (ITV 4)? They've just (tonight - 26th) reviewed the Peugeot 2008 - both the petrol and electric variations side by side. And - spoiler alert - refreshingly for a TV motoring show they were positive about the electric version.
Miles per gallon is directly related to the cost of electricity. If I charge at home on overnight 4.47p kwh I get 240mpge. If I charge in Tesla Superchargers at 24p kw I get 60mpge. If I charge off shell at 39p kw I get 39 mpge. Most public charge points are very expensive.
If my Renault kangoo ze had a 100 kw battery instead of it’s 33kw and held 200+ winter range here in Gloucestershire for back lane drives you open it up by taking the panel out behind the drivers seat I would keep it for more than it’s current 10k instead of wanting to upgrade to a cyber truck as soon as.. love the channel.thanks.
Really interesting, we looked at this car recently, but went for the MG in the end so glad we did. :-)
what makes you choose MG (i'm guessing ZS?) instead of e2008?
For the first time a deslike from me.
About the range this was based on the driving style from previous drivers. From other tests and from owners the range is good.
I think is not an issue if the car was build for being compatible with a combustion engine as well.
Thank you so much for pushing for non-deluxe electrics. I’ve been concerned that automakers are using the ev arrival to up sell us into something I and many others will never afford. That’s been a consistent message from governments and oil boosters, EVs are unsuitable for ‘lower classes’. It’s the main reason Quebec announced a 2035 0 gas mandate in lieu of 2030.
According to the Peugeot website, all except the entry level model come with a reversing camera as standard!
I'm not sure what Robert is complaining about when he says it looks like an ICE car and not something designed from the ground up as electric. Exactly what is it missing that it should have, or conversely what has it got that it shouldn't - in relation to ICE vs. EV?
This is not the first time this complaint has been made and I don't understand it. What are the designers missing that is apparently so important?
I can only conclude that the use of regular instruments and gauges in the position accepted by all except Tesla as the best location, i.e. in front of the driver, is what causes Robert to complain. He is a Tesla owner and it appears to make him think any car with information display in the traditional location, i.e. in front of the driver is 'dated'. I know he had a Model S, but now a Model 3 which he loves and I think leads him to mistakenly believes that all EVs should now have an iPod stuck on the middle of the dash and nothing else with which to control the car.
In fact the reason why most cars have their info. display in front of the driver is because ergonomically IT'S THE BEST PLACE. I know you can get used to turning your head to see the Tesla iPod, but that is NOT as convenient as simply dropping your eyes. That's why every manufacturer designs their cars that way (except Tesla) as the last 100 years of auto design have concluded that in front of the driver is indeed the best place. Then Tesla come along and have to be different and being more computer oriented than car manufacturer, they mistakenly think one big single touch screen display in the middle of the dash is a cool idea. NO IT'S NOT. It's a stupid place to have everything and touch screens are a nightmare to use while driving, especially on a rough road.
I don't hate Tesla at all and admire them greatly, but their choice of information display and control system as it is on everything bar the Model S, is dumb and the main reason I would not buy one.
It all reminds me of the company that has probably influenced User Interface design more than any other, at least in this millennium - Apple. In the early days of the Mac they wanted to encourage good software and UI design from their fledgeling developer community and published a book titled 'Human Interface Guidelines', to assist developers and ensure a coherent design for all Mac software. In this book I read the immortal phrase that I have never forgotten:-
"Consistency should be valued above idiosyncratic cleverness"
In trying to be different and hence inconsistent with all other UI design of in-car information displays, Tesla have displayed an appalling tendency for what I would actually term "idiosyncratic stupidity". Being different is not a good thing when what you have made different is WORSE than what went before.
But to return to the original point, I'd be interested to hear what Robert does think makes the Peugeot too much like an ICE car?
I so agree with you about range, it’s the one things petrol heads embarrass us EV fans with.
You never ask a sales person when buying a gas car, how far will this car travel when I fill it with gas.
And how long will it take to fill up ? Elon has most car makers over a barrel.
As this and the Mokka are basically the same car which would you prefer?
I agree 200 miles winter at -15C is all that it's needed however, that translate to over 300 miles advertised range.
EPA has MPG equivalent numbers for city and highway cycles. I always liked those for comparisons of EV vs EV as well as the reason that it demonstrates the huge efficiency difference between ICE and EVs in general.
You touch your thing and the car unlocks? Wow!
it has a trip meter. but it is buried as you say. You have access it through your personal controls on the 3d dash and then press the button on the knob to your right. You can have up to 2 trip meters at once
I'm happy to hear you repeat my rant a few weeks ago on your site about the needless add-ons that jack up the price and doesn't get into the hands of the average consumer. These will not be common vehicles until the gee whizz engineers keep force feeding us what we don want or need, which is a a sub $18,000 vehicle BEFORE incentives. I understand the Chinese labor costs are different and affect the price there, but why are the prices doubled or more just to arrive on other shores? As long as the companies are beholden to the fossil fuel industries, quarterly dividends to shareholders, executives bonuses and salaries and not the customers needs, there will not be widespread adoption of EV's available to the average consumer. I don't need a $800-$1000 watch or cell phone to be able to tell time or call my friends and family. The less expensive versions are widely available. My delicate ego can handle it.
Can I ask you to show turning lights in all cars you review? It's really interests me, what manufacturers have came up with.
130 miles on a full charge, that’s terrible.
Long live Kia / Hyundai large battery cars with 280 miles.
I can’t say I’m impressed with the 2008e Robert.
My number one choice would be the eSoul. For price / range / speed / standard equipment / safety features it is a winner.
Great review though Robert, great channel.
Greetings from Cumbria.
Stay safe and well.
It is the only ev I have found today with a usable ground clearance. The range is fine and a bigger battery would need to be lower making the car heavy and pretty useless where I live.
I am more venal than Robert, I tend to calculate the financial mpg equivalent , which is more relevant for me.
At 3.5 mpkWh and a 8p cost per kWh, and a Gallon price of £5 ish it's over 225 mpge£. 👍
Keeping Instavolt Evesham Retail Park in business! I work on the retail park but rarely use it because it's too close to home.
Bob can stand faster than i can run :)
Pretty decent for a 12yr old car!
Hey! Great video but you spelt Battery wrong at around the 8:09 minute mark. Same on recent videos too. 😁
Pretty likely the replacement for my e-Golf
I don’t think that the Peugeot E 2008 has a heated steering wheel option on any trim level, but I’ll be happy to be corrected if wrong.
What is under the hood, where you were resting your hand? It looks big enough to take a weekend case on the outside.
The conversion from a US gallon to electricity = 33.7kWh
So, taking the miles/kWh X 33.7 = MPGe
In our e-Golf, we have averaged 5.5 miles/kWh so that is 185MPGe.
In our Bolt EV, we have been averaging 4.5 miles/kWh = 151MPGe.
290Wh/mile = 1000/290 = 3.45 miles/kWh = 116MPGe - in US gallons, at least.
Thx for pointing out, that there have to be more cars with low trimmings.
I'm assuming you get your vehicle price from the press pack, however £28,650 is incorrect, on the Peugeot website it has the base 'Active' version with electric drive train for the OTR price of £32,065 (£29,065 with grant) and the GT Line is £35,915 (£32,915). Compared to the petrol /auto versions of this car these vehicles have a premium of ~24% and ~17%, really stretches the definition of 'way better' ....
Nice. But why hold on to the grill? Hey Henry you want me to put a couple of saddles in that model T?
"The competition is coming" lol
NEDC testcycle is dated. WLTP is a good guess round about 10% to optimistic with most cars.
GT line - is the production line where they are thrown together faster! :-) - - If they discard all the gimmicks, bells and whistles, they could be sold for less. My current fossil car has an FM/DAB radio/cd player fitted. I turned it on when I bought the thing, to see if it worked, and it hasn't been turned on since - don't need or use it. I prefer the silence so I can hear what is going on around outside. - - Why do you keep measuring boot/trunk space in LITRES? I don't carry loose liquids in the back. Measure length, width, height in feet and inches, or if you really must - in those foreign centimetre things. Range -needs a bit more. A place I go to regularly is a 210 mile round trip - in good weather - and there is nowhere there to charge up while I'm away from the vehicle, so I'd be adding at least half an hour to the travel time - IF big IF I can find a charger that works - so I can get home again! - - And that big, ugly, square front, so inefficient. Yuk!
Comfort is very very very very very very very very very very very very very important
I wonder if legacy manufacturers will for many years struggle to sell an e-Up! size EV with anything like a decent range and still make a profit. The Chinese are making some amazing small paired back proper city EVs, but for some reason I dont think that will be the norm. I think an ID2 / Polo sized car will be as small as they will go.
Im lost.If its range is so poor in reality how is it rated at circa 4.5 kilowatt for efficiency?Surely that number would be alot worse?🤔
A lot of mistakes Robert, and the range a central point of the review. As you said, 130miles are from the last driver, that is why it is taking a long time to update the range. If you could not figure out how to get the trip odometer or dimming the ambiance lights, you should read the manual or contact Peugeot, not put it a review.
So better off buying a Kona then?
The only thing is that the Peugeot charges up to 100kW, so it's better for rushing when you want to unplug at 60 or 70%. On the other hand, Kona has more range, more efficient. In my opinion, I would buy the cheapest one, the best deal.
The government needs to rethink the subsidy available to private buyers. Company car drivers get 0% BIK every year of ownership, private buyers get a one off £3k grant.
Is there a frunk? Trunk in the front?
I feel that all the comments dissing the range over and over is a bit of an Ice-hangover as well... I think way too much emphasis is put on fast charging and range - essentially comparing to the ice experience on road trips. Some people might drive far often but most don't. Why not focus on how the car does for urban everyday driving and shoot in a note on what to expect on long trips. This car has enough range to handle everyday urban driving for almost everybody and the reasonably fast charging makes the occasional long trip quite ok. After having a tesla model 3 for 3 months, we used superching for one trip. I think its time to stop downplaying mid-range EVs. From a resource-perspective and in a world where electric cars are battery starved, these cars should not be downplayed like this.
If Kona and e-niro compact SUVs can do 280 miles of range (easily) why are we constantly seeing new compact SUVs that don’t get anywhere near this? I know not everyone needs this but surely it could be an option on all compact SUVs? i find a lot of new electric vehicles are content just to be somewhere in the ballpark, they don’t even want to compete. This market is still disappointing me. To me there should be 4 or 5 cars at least coming out each year that should be tempting me away from my current electric car (Kia e-niro) . nothing holding a candle to it in the same price range currently. Still love watching though.
So another equivalence is that this car has a 1 ½ Gallon fuel tank? Approximately. And depending on outside temperature, that will take you 130 miles? Buildings EVs for the sake of it is undermining the whole idea of sustainable transport.
Same range reports with all PSA eCMP based platform cars so far. Its just not very efficient at high speeds at all. And when you add ICE aerodynamics to the mix, that just tops if off.
So you unplug it at 100% or 98% and the Range showing is from the last figure you were getting. So the car was just at 3.0 or 3.1. There is a trip meter. Read the owners manual, or just turn the left hand stalk and look through the options in front of your eyes.
Strange the range some people say they can get at motorway speeds with the bigger PSA models all using the same platforms. Especially the taller / heavier ones ton bigger wheels / tyres than say the e-Corsa which is the lightest and lowest. Are many owners driving alone with no luggage & the tyres over inflated?
No fault of Roberts, but these mid size front wheel drive suvs based are becoming really samy.
Was musing today- zoe ze50 powertrain in a kangoo or caddy sized van... How exciting would that be.
This channel needs Jonny Smith back.
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4:40 Slight math mistake, 290 Wh/mile is not 466 Wh/km... 466 Wh/km would be horrible if true... if 290 Wh/mile is true then it should be 181 Wh/km.
I love this car!
Great looking car but the price difference between petrol and electric is circa £12,000. That's enough for 90,000 miles of spirited driving. The electric version needs to be closer in price
Is this the man from mythbusters?
MPGe does not take into account the motor energy conversion wich varies a lot. 25% to 45% energy convertion efficiency for ice.
In the physics world, running at 65mph require the same power, the nature if the thing does not care what is pushing it.
But Electric can regen kinetic energy, that an ice car cannot.
So 130 MPGe is in reality around 130/3 = 43 mpg at the pump.
This is really good figure that a good ice car can do
Electric car manufacturers are forced to have this good because of low energy density of actual batteries.
It is dangerous to compare energy efficiencies between petrol and electric without taking in consideration the total chain of energy transformation from primary to final product. What's in your electrical car battery is the almost final product as you have the efficiency of the engine to consider as well, whilst for petrol the engine efficiency is pretty poor (25 to 35 % depending on the technology).
For the electricity used you need to consider how it was produced, transported and stored, which is complex as the electricity you store in your batteries could be generated from many different sources ( gas, coal, nuclear, hydro, wind solar...).
For Petrol or diesel, you have to consider the efficiency in its extraction, transport and refining.
I guess what would be more important to consider is the primary source of the electricity generation, the losses in its transport and storage.
Also something that is not mentioned enough is the weight of cars in general, which is not helped by the heavy batteries needed for long ranges. The heavier the car the less energy efficient it will be.
I know where you're going with "it's built for a combustion engine but they've adapted it for an electric motor", but if the design is nice, is it really necessary for the car to scream out "I'm an EV"? And what should that be then? The front window on top of the front bumper, so people would know there can't be a combustion engine there? Nothing wrong with having the car look like a CAR, in my opinion. The only thing not enough manufacturers do is take advantage of the extra available space (in the frunk). But that supposedly is partly because it's harder (expensive) to fit in frunks and pass crash tests. At least, that's an explanation I heard from a Smart executive, who explained why there's only a tiny 15l frunk in the Smart #1. And to come back to my first point, the old tiny Smart cars hardly had an engine compartment, and they never became a success partly because they just looked weird to many people. So now Smart has changed directions and their new car (although an EV) looks like a CAR instead of a box on wheels.
Just a thought. It sounds like it has the same battery as the e208/Corsa e/DS. IT IS BIGGER so it will not be as economical as any of these.
I think if you are reviewing a car you should take the time to research the car first so you can actually talk about it in confidence, I have been a Patreon supporter, I won't go into details as to why I am no longer a Patreon supporter but this video is partly the reason. Most of it was you saying how bad this car is and things you don't like about it, the GOM is particularly bad until it gets to know you. I have owned a Tesla Model S, I now own this cars smaller cousin the e208. It is an incredible car, by far the nicest looking ev in my opinion and the 2008 is a close second. Please do take the time to learn the cars features before you make grandiose statements that are factually incorrect, it just undermines the credibility of Fully Charged as a channel, looking forward to that time, and then I can support Fully Charged once more, it has been for me for the last 5 years one of the best ev channels out there, lets keep it that way.
Get my gt e2008 on the 30th of November... already Ayer hearing you I’m really worried about the range but I have a friend in Sweden that’s running a 208e and he’s getting 320km normal driving... so hopefully mines going to be better than 150..
Don't worry. Range drops a lot when you pick and drive 140km/h or more and car adjusts the calculation. He picked a car and had a review without even bothering to investigate property. You made a great choice- it's a fantastic car and the range is good.
@@forkeMuffin thank you very much for your reply it’s greatly appreciated... I’ll let you know how I get on in future... thank you again
Please sort out the conversion errors!
Electric cars are great - eficient and clean. But Peugeot has something extra - a cool design. What more do you want from a car.
Do you not think the EV market in the UK is going to be shafted with Rishi Sunak's plan for road pricing? Could be £1.50 per mile!
£1.50 would be in Westminster I guess, less than 10p most places
Not if you have to pay it for all cars not just EVs
Can't see a cost per mile happening anytime soon. More likely a tax at public chargers and a large increase on road tax will be a more practical starting point.
I like the 2008 ev but I think the battery is to small,it needs more range.
The fact the car looks like a car, was reason why i chose this one. I massively dislike the general EV designs. EQS-class mercedes one of the most horrible ones. But ID3 ID4 too. Horror. :)
had a look on the New Zealand peugeot website, seems they are not interested in selling this model to us, but that's typical as our government is crap when it comes to pushing EVs so our car market is all about ice still, goes to show that they are all still not interested in selling the world EVs if they are not pushed by goverments to do so.
I like the channel, but I am disappointed in the recent reviews. The range calculation is wrong, no mention of benefits of 100kW charging and c'mon, you can just ask anyone who drives Peugeot, they will tell you where the trip meter is.
In my opinion this car is in between Zoe and ID.3 Pure. Yes, it has less range, but the faster charging will allow you to travel at similar speed or even faster during longer trips.
Fab review
Soo... it uses 466 Wh per kilometer? And 1 mile is 1,6 km. That means it uses 1,6x466Wh per mile = 745,6 Wh/mile.
Also known as 290 Wh/mile?? This kind of math has been in several videos, plz get it right?
Otherwise.. LOVE your show!! 😊
Nice height for leaning on - that is the decisive factor😂
Have you ever considered using your indicators?
And again the math isn't correct, 290wh/mi is not 466wh/km you need to divide by 1,609344 not multiply. so the correct number is 180wh/km. A km is a smaller unit than a mile, so it is just pure logic that the consumption per km is lower than the consumption per mile.
Love the equivalent of mpg in order to educate the doubters- inspired 😂