Remember the trailer concept of PT? The mysterious Chico's head? With this theory, maybe makes more sense why they used Chico in that trailer instead of another character or a new one.
I didn't want to include a whole bunch of stuff outside of V and Metal Gear to stay focused, but this is absolutely part of the big picture. I think P.T. could stand for Parasite Therapy, for at least one meaning. Consider all the "centipedes" crawling out of everything, and the "head sucking" and how the monster reaches out with a big LEFT hand, and only a left. Seeing Chico as V I think unlocks an entire layer of interpretation for that PT trailer, and then could provide hints as to the final released PT's meanings as well. Perhaps there's something going on with Norman Reedus' character and parasites? Could Sam Porter Bridges have something to do with this? Did BRIDGES use parasites in turning Lisa into what she was in PT? Is parasite therapy also some kind of psychological thing utilizing time travel? I don't know! But it's interesting to consider it all!
When I first delved into this franchise I was like “oh cool a game were I play as a spy and fight giant mechs that sounds cool” and everything since then as been a hurricane of “what the fuck is this” “oh that’s what the means/ they are” to “what the fuck” and “what the fuck x2” and I love every second of it
I always appreciated how even the missions that seemed like filler or busywork had actual plot relevance and secret info there, but you had to _listen to conversations_ and _investigate._ It’s incredibly detailed with its conspiracies, but very few players looked hard enough.
@@2yoyoyo1UnpluggedYeah, most people will never get MGS. The amount of thought you have to put into understanding the plot is the biggest bottleneck to fully appreciating the series as a whole.
i think it's wonderful that even so many years later, we're stil making theory and analysis videos as a way to cure our phantom pain. it's never game over!
It's a crying shame this video has so few views, considering the amount of time and effort you must've put into it. I can only hope it gets traction somehow in the future, e.g. getting into the YT recommendations of other people like me who stumble over it, because I definitely think it deserves to get some more attention. I'd also like to see some more input from other people, including those who might disagree with some of your conclusions or supporting evidence, just to see how it stands up to more intense scrutiny. I like how you think and your presenting style, and I'm looking forward to more of your content in the future. I hope the current lack of views here doesn't deter you.
@@HistoryandReviews I did, but me sharing it with a few friends is nothing compared to the potential audience it could get with preferential treatment from the almighty algorithm.
@@brianreese1937 Could you expand beyond "bad take" and give a few reasons why you think so, please? For example, any major points which are wrong (and the reason(s) + references why so)?
The last guy before getting on the chopper was mosquito which you encounter in mission 22 retake the platform. He wanted to get revenge on big boss bc he thought big boss turned on his guys but he was fed lies
i know im two years late but in the ending, it is confirmed that ishmael IS big boss and that you play as the medic from ground zeroes your character model you make in the beginning is the medic when you look at the window in the ACC you see your character model *The canon medic* *also side comment, Vic boss i believe is just a miss translated *Victorious Boss* i could be wrong on this on tho*
I've watched this video b4, but let me just say that imo part one "breaking the mirror" has completely changed the way I see the game...from the fake IV to Ishmael never taking damage. I think you should expand upon this more in future videos, as it seems the most grounded in game. EDIT: As I'm rewatching the video some points to further expand upon in future videos should be the scene where skull face takes control of the camera in a very distinct fashion, given that Venom is Chico and their history together (Ground Zeros), also a lore video explaining why Chico and Paz have more history compared to the medic and Paz would greatly help further prove your point about why Chico would be the one imagining Paz on motherbase. Also something that adds to your whole "the game (specifically Venoms POV) lies to you" is the fact that in the ending we get to see schizophrenia meds. Which further puts into question not only his struggle as a doppelganger but as to what we can take for granted throughout the story.
My series of lectures going over MGSV in detail goes a lot more into the "Paz is Chico" idea that I start to unravel here. In many ways, TPP reproduces Paz and Chico in symbolic fashion either adjacent to each other or in the same space, or uses a narrative device to equate the two. In many ways, Paz represents an aspect of the transformed Venom's lost memories of his own past.
Regarding peacewalker kojima did want to call it metal gear solid 5, but konami didnt want a mainline game being on a portable device. So personally my headcanon is peacewalker, ground zeroes, and the phantom pain are together metal gear solid 5.
Just wanna say thank you for this video. Having grown up with MGS2 and 3 I knew from the start of V that I need to play this game with a pre text that everyone is lying to me in order to really get an idea what's happening. Also V is a trilogy of PW, GZ and TPP or rather those 3 games are the "Walkman trilogy" that term wasn't coined by me.
I think Kaz being a parasite copy and time travel being a part of Kojima’s original plan are a little far fetched, but this was overall a well made and entertaining video. Thanks for making it.
I don't think this is right given Kojimas 4th wall breaking player avatar, unnamed Boss (YOU are Snake etc) But I did very much enjoy the conspiracy :)
Ayo! J here! Sorry, it took me this long to watch this video in full. What a thrill!... I'm gonna give you my thoughts and I may have to rewatch the video to elaborate correctly. I'm of the belief Venom is the Medic, Big Boss' buddy in msf, a way for KojiProd to personify the player(s), so you'll know where my head is. I too think GZ isn't real and I think there is a case to make about the events in the chopper being untrustworthy, both for what is presented in the spotlight and details. To me GZ is one of Venom's fake memory; I will paraphrase Ocelot; "he went through all your past missions". Chico isn't the only one who loves Paz; nearly all (if not all) of MSF loved Paz; it's not necessarly the same kind of love as Chico had for Paz, but it's love nonetheless. For the Concept Art of Chico, you mentioned Fish Hooks, which hints to Bait, a Red Herring. Venom's prosthetic Arm was seemingly an upgrade to the original starting prosthesis: the Split Hook. The Hook both plays in the missing arm, but also Moby Dick. Ahab is the Captain of the Pequod, a Whaling Ship; they are fishermen. Chico having a hook, when he too is like Moby Dick's Ahab, hunting SkullFace, the Whale that took his love. My primary language is not English, so this may come from a misunderstanding on my part: One piece of Concept Art for the Skulls depict a Skull with a submachine gun and a knife, his suit seems derived of the Soviet Sneaking Suit of MGS3 and next to him is a badge which says "Super Snake". I'm not sure where the idea of a Super Parasite Suit comes from, I'm simply confused. The idea of multiple Paz is interesting. To me it's to highlight Cipher; the lengths and ways of Zero. He didn't take the first spy, there were 9 candidates for the one who would be Paz. Pacifica Ocean's is her true name, Paz is only an identity to infiltrate Big Boss' entourage. When Chico said Paz had died, I think it plays in the theme of loss, double think. He's coping with what he's seen, what he was forced to do. Trauma, fake truth, themes of MGSV. The white particules being parasites do confuse me, because it looks like the kind of dust you can find anywhere; simply an effect to add realism; there is dust where there is light, like in real life. But as you showed, in paz's room, they are shaped like parasites or Wolbachia (I only remember the MALE INTO FEMALE part of that scene, I apologize). Are other particules, outside the hallucination, also shaped like so? Those are some wild theories, it brings back memories of when Death Stranding was announced, it's a super game, yet I still long for what I thought it meant! Keep up the good work! Until then, Boss! 07
You'd appreciate it more if you didn't already have your mind made up. Go watch my other videos and tell me again about legs. I explain the Chico symbolism in The Phantom Pain in great detail in the lecture series I made after this, specifically lectures 4, 5, and 12 go over how characters like Malak, Huey, the D-Walker, Shabani, and Eli all collectively lay out what happened to Chico from 1975-1984, and how he ended up in the hospital reawakening as Venom Snake.
@@DreamingWeaver I mean I definitely didn't already have my mind made up, I even thought of other evidence that supports the theory such as when Big Boss rescues Chico from captivity back in Peacewalker he has the whole bit about "Chico, you died here today, dry your tears, then give your life to me." among others. I just think it's adding a layer of complexity that's not really there. Some of the same argument is posed in the "Quiet is Chico" theory and while that theory can have evidence to support it I don't think quiet is Chico either. Maybe saying "no legs to stand on" was too harsh. For what it's worth I really did appreciate how you put everything together and it revealed a lot of nuance in things such as a deeper understanding of Kojimas music choices and also the mirror therapy thing I definitely feel had influence to the way scenes were presented I never noticed that before.We just don't agree on the conclusion that's all no harm done 👍
I'm asking you to see the rest of my arguement before going on. This video was just the introduction into the idea. The real evidence is not here, and this video is just supposed to help people see the foundations of how it's possible. You say you just don't think the layers are there, but I have definitely done the work to show them. They're in the other works I did after this one. That's what I mean by not making up your mind. Everyone by default has the stance you do after playing MGSV. The game programs the audience to be exactly this way, to be resistant to just interpreting the art like every story, instead just accepting the surface level and the popular interpretations. If you just go listen to the rest of what I've said in the lecture series, you can then start to tell me that we just see it differently. I know stories and storytelling very well, and I'm not just some schmo spinning theories. These ideas come from the text. I can show you that if you just take the time to see it. If you simply mirror Chico's face, you will see the patch lines up one to one with Venom and his wound. Trust me here. Venom is definitely representing Chico. He's more than that, too, but that's the first step in understanding and finding real Peace.
@@DreamingWeaver To clarify I did watch I'm pretty sure all your videos in this series and also I don't think you just spun the theory out of nowhere you definitely have evidence to go with the theory. I just take the stance that the mirroring of Venom/Chico is more metaphorical than physical/literal. I agree with a lot of your points and the correlations you draw in this and in your other vids. I'm not trying to change your mind and in retrospect my initial words I used didn't do justice to how much work went into this series and the theory behind it. I mean hey I could be wrong and you could be right I don't know 100% for sure. Like I said initially, great vid. Over the years Metal Gear has been the most fun puzzle box to mentally chew on. I'll be coming back to rewatch this series! ✌️ 🕊️
This is well thought out and your production values are pretty fucking good. Your writing is concise, the sound is clear and loud, your video editing conveys your points. You deserve way more views and subscribers imo. Allow me to indulge you 😘
I also wander if ground zeros incident was (like everything about the game, while playing it) was part of the hypnosis venom underwent for his transformation, as it was Bigboss’s most recent mission. Venom isn’t voiced by hayter, most people see this as an inconsistency, since Bigboss seems to be voiced by Sutherland too. What if part of the hypnosis to convince himself he was Bigboss that in these recreated missions venom hears his own voice instead of bigboss’s real voice. One plot hole that I can think of is in truth, when it seemingly completely separates from venoms perspective, Bigboss still sounds like venom, however if that conversation between ocelot and BB at the end of truth was recorded it could be that even venom hears the recording of Bigboss as his voice due to a lingering effect of the hypnosis or even a side effect of his frontal lobe being damaged if he can see things that aren’t there or not see things that are, maybe it effects sounds the same way. Another plot hole that I can’t put together is how kaz talks about Paz and how he acts like he didn’t know she was a double agent when at the end of peace walker he admitted he knew the whole time.
I’m very interested in the interpretation of ahab being Chico and Ishmael being medic, having multiple copies of big boss operating. Gives a good explanation for what the hell happened to Chico and would be a tragic yet good use of his character.
I don’t understand your comment? Maybe your understanding something about the story that I am not, how is it a definitive truth that the mission is only a memory? The mission, it’s characters and the events that unfold all have cause and effect to the greater story of phantom pain. If the events in ground zero never happened, how do you explain the events that unfolded after the game leading into the phantom pain, the plot, narrative, tape recordings of the interrogations of Paz and Chico etc, etc?
I'll add some fuel to this in the meta and in the canon of the games, even though the video is a couple years old now. So, meta level, a lot of people had ideas that Chico WAS in the game and not cut content but decided that Chico had to be Quiet IF Venom was the Medic. Chico not being cut content was on the table for many, due to the many logistics of the situation. Now, in Jamais Vu we see a Cyborg Ninja with white hair going against parasites. This is a pseudo-historical recreation. I assert it's Gray Fox, utilizing a prototype of the cyborg exoskeleton or Skull Suit that Venom can develop later on. This would work as he'd be well past Null and on his way to becoming Gray Fox in FOXHOUND, Big Boss AND Zero's American task force. It would explain why he's getting help from Miller and Ocelot, and why they call the parasites Snatchers, as if you saw the zombie-like infected in TPP, you'd probably say the same. It would also explain why on a meta level we play as the cyborg ninja, as Chico in the meta concept art was likely to be a low tech cyborg ninja. Lastly, the parasites that Quiet and Code Talker have clearly can do visual changes to the person. It can turn them invisible layer by layer, fully invisible, and can change the color of their skin as with the black butterfly-like pattern that is on their faces. Now if you know the parasites can prolong life, can heal or reduce damage, can change visual aspects of a person, why not use it to make a new Naked Snake? If Chico believes he's Big Boss, he would change his visage to mimic that, and if you're like me and feel Chico is characteristically non-violent it also changes the context of Demon-Venom as an actual alteration in appearance and not a karma system. More than that, if you have a Skull Chico it explains easily why he can walk despite bolted achilles, it explains why the line in promo material is "two phantoms", it explains why Quiet wouldn't want to use the parasite against him, why she would actively celebrate his birthday, why on a meta level the camera looks on her in a sexualized way, it can be extrapolated that in Chico's subconscious he knows Paz is dead which is why Venom doesn't exude the behavior of a crush onto her, but that behavior (fantasizing about a crush, going against orders to attempt to help said crush) are plastered onto Quiet. As well, Chico characteristically is non-violent as I stated I believe, and every passive choice you can make is specifically Venom's choice. The players' inaction is Venom's action. Those choices are (not) killing Quiet (who I expressed Chico places his crush on) and (not) shooting Skull Face. The latter being him freezing up, as he did when Skull Face confronted him and ChicoVenom was unable to take the shot. If you do shoot Skull Face, his left arm is removed as Venom's was when Paz exploded, otherwise Miller aims and his wounds are placed on Skull Face. The wounds both are from Paz's death, mind you. And despite the monster Skull Face is, the torment administered to Venom and Kaz, Venom does not kill him. He also does not kill Eli in 51, assuming potential canonicity, despite the English strain being in Eli and therefore being a potential world-ending threat. Venom knows Eli is not his son at this point, so it's not a familial connection. I think that the reason child soldiers are such a huge thing in this game is because of Chico. Chico WAS a child soldier more or less, it makes complete sense that if Chico is Venom, then Venom saving the child soldiers, saving Eli, and all of that substory those would be the actions taken. Assume this, remove Venom from the game, just photoshop him out, put a Chico that is older and "trained" by Big Boss in Venom's place. Does any action we see in cutscenes or in canon moments not make sense? Ocelot and Miller already know Venom isn't Big Boss, hell the Mammal Pod knows, Skull Face knows, etc. Ishmael being the medic shows why he can show you how to patch up serious injuries when you're atrophied and freshly missing an arm, etc.
Also, secondarily, we don't see Snake eat or sleep, despite the day/night cycle Snake can simply keep going nonstop. The only thing we DO see is when you're "dirty" flies swarming around you. Could they be eating the parasites coming off you as the parasites kick in to overdrive because you aren't using them supplementary? As we see from the Quiet scenes, water is vital to the parasites as they are like plants with the photosynthesis. When you return from an extended stay in the field and are "dirty" Ocelot has a bucket of water READY to toss on you with only a notice of "You stink, Boss". Now, enemies in the field CAN smell you when you're dirty, and Occam's razor and all, but Kojima does love the truth within the truth concepts like the S3 being layer on layer, so I assume in my interpretation of canon following this video that Ocelot does the bucket trick to help the parasite because he doesn't know when Venom will shower.
Thank you. I know MGSV has 'near infinite' interpretations, but it's still art, in a finite medium. This was pure conjecture, and 'circumstantial' evidence, but not really. This was mostly just THIS guy, unable to let go of his Phantom Pain, of losing Chico.
I always assumed that the game starts in 1984 and mostly takes place throughout the year, but that the Man Who Sold the World episode ends in 1995 right before Metal Gear.
You'll want to go over the whole MGSV Explained lecture series I did for the full deets on the timeline. Short answer is the events of TPP we play start in 1986 and mission 31 happens around 1994, and then missions 32-46 show events from 1996-2004, linking everything from before MG1 to the setup for Shadow Moses in 2005. To get the 1975-1986 stuff gets more complicated but it's also there in TPP's structure.
My brother. I'm not sure how else to say what exactly after i've heard what you said between 5:28-5:58.. but i found your these specific selection of words that you, as it seems naturally emitted from your soul really spoke to my own. I felt like i had on my mind today and as i processed my own thought today and throughout this video it felt like to perfectly synchronized with my current thoughts, feelings, and emotions about alot of things. I'll just keep it at that. I love metal gear and i also too have currently have a refuled spark of metal gear love. Great video
I have so many questions after watching this, but I suppose the most obvious one is if Chico was Venom wouldn't he still have the hole in his chest that he had during Ground Zeros? Since you can play venom without covering his chest the hole should be there still? Has anybody checked it? I presume it's not there if nobody made such an obvious connection. I do like the Chico is Venom idea since after the crash Chico is just removed from the story entirely with no explanation to my knowledge. But it also seems clear now that MGSV is clearly a kind of surrealist game, the point seems to be that there are no answers, I really dislike that, MGS1 was my first game in the series, and to see the last game in the series sort of devolve into an attack on story telling and meaning in itself is disappointing in a way. Sure mysteries are fun, but to a point, I think MGSV sort of crosses that line. I still like that people like you are trying to figure it out, but just wonder if it's worth it in the end.
So, the hole in Chico's chest is kind of a metatextual thing. Chico is being made to "listen to his heart" here. It's very likely the Chico we see is a virtual recreation, and this (I presume) addition to his physiology is like the reopening of the (fake) Paz's wound in TPP. It's meant to describe Venom's, and the player's state of mind at this point in the story. And since Venom has a healing factor, any such hole would be long gone so many years later. I think the way this game expects you to do all the legwork on figuring out the Truth is akin to the message of MGS2's ending. When Snake tells us to find our own meaning and not just accept what we're given or told, that is also meant to be applied to the Metal Gear games. V takes this to the limit by presenting you with this multilayered narrative. You can kind of find almost too much meaning here, and that's the point. You have to know yourself how to find your own meaning. I think this is the core of what Zero was trying to teach Chico.
@@DreamingWeaver That's interesting I didn't know that it was his heart he was listening to, and while I accept the Chico we see could be VR, the original mission where the real Chico existed would presumably still have this hole? Unless this is just surrealist too. Okay I guess that makes sense with how Venom is healing, but it's sort of blurry to me when gameplay mechanics are used to justify stuff like this in story telling. I am not an existentialist, so by nature I will never be satisfied with a game that does not have an objective truth at the end of it or that is discover-able, so it's possible that the multilayered narrative is just not for me. Truth is meaning to me, so to have a game where the truth is very clearly being obscured on multiple levels would be okay if it was solvable. I don't know if you would agree that the story/plot/characters are unsolvable since you made a video trying to solve it, but that's just my gripe that if you view truth as meaning like I do, I don't really see how you can view it as satisfying. But apart from that congratulations on the video must have taken a tonne of work, I'll be watching it again soon. I found the time travel stuff fascinating too, never heard of that anywhere, even Futurasound who seems to be analyzing everything in MGS has never discovered those connections to my knowledge. Hope the video continues to gain views in time.
@@DeCoR18 Tune in when I release these new videos that I'm working on right now. I have a more thorough explanation for the holes in Chico's heart and head, and what all was going on with them. Short answer: those are the wounds from where he was surgically implanted with the parasite. And since his body was destroyed in the bombing, the wound in his chest would have healed. The one in his head is still there, in the form of his archaea horn. (The way we see Chico in Ground Zeroes is mirrored, so the bandage is on the opposite side.) The archaea itself is derived from Volgin's parasite and thus it can't be destroyed with explosions--it just absorbs the energy and grows.
Dude you now want me to believe there are 3 big bosses!? Even if valid I can't do it any longer... counting Solidus and Boss there are 5! That would make more bosses than! snakes
This game has its own massive story filled with some sub plots, which is amazing. People think the game barely has any story because they were so concentrated in the amazing gameplay lol. And that they like to determine how good a story is by comparing it to MGS4, a game with it's own massive complex plot, which is just unfair
Well...I appreciate all the effort put into arguing for a novel way to look at this game. I was already onboard with the 'Chico is Venom' idea, as well as the idea of Death Stranding being a follow-up to Metal Gear's world, although I have to say all the stuff involving Survive and time travel being invoked...I wouldn't put it past Kojima to invoke time travel (especially to explain plot holes), but honestly that's a direction that kills investment for me. One big question comes to mind: If Zero really was some time-traveling genius (whose technology is derived from an apocalypse instigated by technology he created), then why did he not have the foresight to predict MGS4? What is the point to a prequel revealing the Patriots had access to time travel tech? I would argue that all the advanced cutting-edge technology seen in the 'historical' games really is just a reflection of how top-secret military projects are often multiple decades ahead of what is publicly acknowledged. The anachronisms in MGSV could still set the game in the '80s without expecting us to accept the game taking course over 9 years OR time travel getting involved. The 'wormholes' being unlockables, much like Quiet being recruitable even after her disappearance, feel more like a gameplay bonus (or acknowledgment that it's all a simulation) than something to take seriously - though I'm sure people can point to MGS2 as featuring quantum tunneling tech before. I'm not exactly sure what you're implying with Paz - is it that the Paz in Peace Walker really did die there, and the one found in Ground Zeroes is a different Paz? Did THAT Paz die for real? I still would like to think Paz was used as a trojan horse to infect everyone on that helicopter with parasites...and that concept art of Quiet initially looking exactly like Paz makes me wonder if she was meant to be the same person. Also, that old crackpot 'Chico is Quiet' theory...might have something to it, in the sense Paz/Quiet had her face and hair modified to resemble a feminine 'Chico' as a way of subconsciously encouraging Chico/Venom to recognize a similarity between him and her. I remember reading one theory about MGSV being about finding a way to break out of a time loop, with its ending showing Venom finding a way to actually break that cycle and step out into the unknown. Would be nice for Chico to find his own future instead of being doomed to being an anonymous victim of history.
You're assuming here he didn't want what happened in 4 to happen exactly how it happened, but I see what you're getting at! I think MGS4 pulled the wool over our eyes in the same way V has, and I think this kind of deception probably goes at least back to MGS3's plot as well. That's where the parasites came from, after all, and it's a pretty incredible coincidence that the introduction of the parasites in V doesn't mean anything in 3 needs to be retconned, but instead just provides more context. Re: Paz. I'm not sure exactly what happened with Paz, but here are the possibilities I see: 1. There's only 1 Paz. She died in PW, was fished up, revived, then killed again. She would have been given parasite therapy previous to all this, for mission purposes. 2. There were multiple Paz's, and the one that died during the PW ZEKE incident is truly gone, and she was replaced by a parasite therapy clone Paz, "fished up," and captured and killed by Skull Face. In either case, I don't think she was the "trojan horse" for parasite infection, but instead just for the bomb. The parasites don't infect anyone just by mere contact, or else they'd spread like wildfire. We can assume, I believe, that anyone who has had parasite therapy and is a host to the parasite probably has been completely irradiated, rendering their parasite inert and unable to reproduce and make new generations of itself (thus it would only replace its own old copies). Consider how Paz's bomb mirrors the bombs given to each of the Cobras, minus the Boss--perhaps this was the "missing bomb" from 3 in a weird, twisted way?
@@DreamingWeaver I'm still not exactly sure what MGS4's 'deception' was here, although I suppose the continuation of the franchise represented in Rising/Survive (and Death Stranding) could allude to Zero's ideas existing even after he and his AIs are 'gone'. I guess I still consider time travel/multiverses/simulation theory a step too far in trying to understand the overarching 'timeline' of the Metal Gear series, but that's personal preference - the series is already fantastical enough for those ideas to not be far-fetched. I also like the idea of Quiet being 'a' Paz, partly because her relationship with the grown Chico is a nice bookend to the traumatic relationship they had in their 'youth' in GZ. I still think "MGSV as Chico's tragedy" is the most compelling reading of this game, and in a way it adds to the tragedy that the majority perspective contributes to the erasure of Chico's identity by reducing the person he plays into a 'pawn' of his idol. I actually just figured that the Boss never needed to self-destruct partly because it was planned all along for her disciple to kill her AND there was a bombing run set to dispose of her corpse immediately after. But paralleling her to Paz does raise a question I've considered - was Paz's appearance intentionally chosen to subconsciously remind Big Boss of his mentor, in a parallel to how she apparently first met him when he was a teen barely older than Chico? One can go further down this rabbit hole and consider if the "Enfantes Terribles" project was just an extension of a pre-existing project to create clones of the Joy. I'm reminded of how a very early idea for MGS5 was to have it be about the Cobra Unit's experience in WW2, and how Paz's abusive upbringing might in a way hint at the trauma that molded the Joy into the Boss. I've seen some theories that worked really hard to draw some connection between P.T./Silent Hills and Metal Gear - I'm not taking it seriously since not everything made by a creator has to fit in the same 'world', but there definitely is an interesting parallel between Silent Hill's depiction of multiple dimensions and the elements of multidimensional travel that MGSV/Survive/Death Stranding feature.
@@mattmedrala1947 You should check out my update video I just released! I go into the ideas you touch on here just a bit. To put it bluntly here, I think that Paz was definitely a clone of Joy, but also I think she's more than that. Her powers (if she is indeed also Quiet) indicate she has photosynthesis, meaning she also has The End's "children" as part of her genetics. She might also have some of The Fear's ability to manipulate his body. And going back to what you started your comment about: I think the "Big Boss" at the end of MGS4 was actually Solidus. Think about how we see him die in MGS2, then compare that to the other "parasite soldiers" we know of. Do you think a few cuts with a sword was enough to completely kill Solidus and stop his parasites from reviving him? I doubt it! I think the MGS4 we experienced was only really half of the story, because I think there's evidence that Metal Gear actually takes place over 2 timelines of mostly the same events that repeat themselves after the "first" time thru the events. I'd suggest watching the movie "The Final Countdown" for a reference point in how I am approaching trying to crack how Metal Gear uses time travel. To be sure, I think time travel has always been part of the equation, and its use has been "redacted" from the public's eyes for various reasons. The tracing of Chico to Venom to Gray Fox and Null is the main evidence that we have some kind of time travel happening--if Chico was born in 1962 and became V in 1975-86, how could he have been participating in the events depicted in Portable Ops? I'm not going to suggest that Null just wasn't there--it makes more sense he traveled back in time at one point then re-lived some parts of the timeline. This also sets him up to be a random soldier on MSF's base in 1974, and then that also makes him a possible candidate to be Metal Gear Survive's Captain who travels to Dite and then (maybe eventually) comes back from that future. So it's not really a "time travel to change the past" thing, it's actually "time travel to fulfill the past," with maybe a side of Back to the Future's "don't erase yourself from history" idea there to kind of establish some rules and boundaries. Edit: Whoops, just saw I made this on my other account. But this is me! (The only me isn't me.)
@@RossOfRoni Cool, thanks for telling me about your video further developing these ideas! I'll have to see it first before I can really formulate a proper response, but I can sort of see a continuity between Gray Fox and Venom. I remember seeing Python Selkan's videos where they seemed quite convinced that Venom IS Gray Fox, but on top of that they alluded to some possible theories about MGS6 possibly continuing his story - wonder if this ties in with your idea that the 'real' Big Boss is still a dormant prisoner of the Patriots. Wow, I hadn't really considered Paz as having powers prior to her (possible) rebirth as Quiet, but I'll definitely want to see what the evidence for that is. Just glad to see someone else is entertaining the Paz as Joy clone idea! Another thing that I remember from Selkan's videos, that I'm not sure you might have a hypothesis about, is them pointing out an apparent discrepancy in the timeline regarding the fate of the 'real' Naomi Hunter. They somehow extended that theory to question if this Dr. Hunter was the same person as Dr. Clark/Paramedic, and seemed to put into question what her fate was too. Personally I'd love to have a physical cameo from her older self as we've already seen the deaths of Singint and Zero, and it's not a hard leap to consider Clark had oversight on Venom's enhancements as a precursor to her experiments on Fox. Something to think about anyway. I hope to have more to say when I get around to your updated theory. I'm glad to see people still putting work into creating original and well supported interpretations of this game.
I always found it very interesting that the leaked cut scenes never got taken down, and how complete they looked for being only "30" percent complete. I also felt it strange they just released the nuke ending or maybe it got leaked i don't really remember but still all strange and weird. i always felt this game had a meta story way way beyond most peoples comprehension but kojima allows you to consume a story in what is in the game and it is weird and satisfying in its own ways but the deeper you dig in all this other stuff outside of the game or if you take into account peace walker and ground zeros and survive and other facts about the story that we know like you did this whole thing really just keeps gettting more and more complex. It is funny you bring up death stranding in the end of the video as well cause i just played it and and beat it and really enjoyed it and had an overwhelming desire to play thru the phantom pain again. This game really is something else and i hope we keep talking about it and analyzing it for the years to come. kojimbo is a madman and i love him for it! This video deserves way more views btw holy.
The cutscenes that were 30% complete weren’t leaked, they were included in the collectors edition that you could buy when the game was released. It was on a separate blu ray or something.
@@owltowel7333 Actually you're both right. They "leaked" the cutscene before the release in the Definitive Edition. IIRC the whole thing was more of a promotion by Konami for the game, but you could go find a TH-cam channel with some other ARG-looking stuff on it that had uploaded the video a few days before the Definitive Edition released.
2+2=5 right, that means we are missing something in the equation. what we know doesn’t add up to what is. Zero isn’t the man behind the curtain he’s the man sending other men behind the curtain.
I’m glad someone else thinks that there are 2 body doubles! I don’t know if I buy that it’s Chico the player is playing but you make a lot of compelling arguments Also the parasite dust, no one ever mentions it, I think it’s either what you’re saying or that scenes where they occur are misrepresented to the player or false, like during the Paz cutscenes Great video man!
I played every mgs game up until this one I just never had time and I love that this video exist. And also for my peace of mind I'm ok that i didn't play, seems like alot to digest.
I have a theory but it might seem a little out there chico has a headphone jack in his chest area could it be he has the English parasite that skull face says is really close to you cuz quiet does speak English and it doesn't kill big boss or quiet so could it be possible that chico has the parasite
You'll want to stay tuned, right now I'm in the middle of production of a 5-video followup series to this video, and it's gonna go into the hole in Chico's chest, the English parasite, and who has it and what it really is. Good thinking.
Hey big boss if I'm not mistaken when you play the game some of the credits and shipping containers have Diamond dog labels both skull face has traits that have Diamond dog labels on it and so do we so yes we are unfortunately working for Cipher and Chico aka the new Big Boss doesn't realize it
Amazing theory still so much mystery around V after all these years. Unfortunately thats all that it is.. a theory. Will we ever get official closure? Seems like this phantom pain will last forever. Maybe something will happen 9 years after relase a real awakening.. Similar as season 3 of Twin Peaks
It's MGS 5, Five, or V. I know it's the first MGS game that uses roman numeral in it's title, but it is still MGSV(5). And yes I understand the significance of the letter/symbol V. It's pretty annoying calling it "vee". Good video regardless of me wanting to bash my head against the wall everytime you call the game vee lol. Kaz confirms in a codec call that Chico is Very dead. Also, David Hayter has stated that Kojima had wanted to replace him in earlier games. He finally did it in TPP. I can appreciate the time spent on this theory. It's definitely interesting, but I don't believe there to be enough evidence to support it. Plus, I'd rather play as the medic/ourselves than Chico lol. It would have been neat if they brought Chico back like in the concept art though.✌️
@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures Check out my newly-released series. "Medic" is just a cover identity used by Null, Old Fox, while he's part of MSF. Null is Chico after time traveling back to before his own creation. So in a sense the Medic is still alive.
I kmew from the very beginning vemon snake wasn't the real big boss and that Ismael was indeed the real big boss, it was way to oblivious, what i didn't know was who vemon snake was at first
Jamais Vu is meant to seed this idea of body snatchers, the idea being that Chico with his whole interest in cryptozoology would be a perfect audience for this kind of side op. There's also an interesting thing going on with "Raiden's" voice in Jamais Vu, but it's hard to put a finger on exactly what's up with it. I think it sounds like there are two different voices there, one of them is like his normal voice we know of, but it's produced by some kind of electronic box (like he sounds in MGS4 when he's wounded) while layered beneath that is another, deeper voice that sounds suspiciously like David Hayter's soothing croons. Since "Snatcher" is also a previous Hideo Kojima game, Jamais Vu adds to the self awareness present in that side op and Deja Vu. Metal Gear has always been somewhat self-aware, but I'd say those two side ops are the most explicitly aware of their own nature as being in a video game. In other words, Jamais Vu serves the purpose of making the player think that this is all just a game, which has this weird side effect of making us not look as hard into the other actually mysterious things going on in GZ and TPP. It's like by making this side op and the cross-universe connection something of a novelty they do a little magic trick and make us not realize there's much more that they're (not) telling us beneath the surface.
Look I'll except this actually good theory only if we except that ocelot doesn't go under hypnosis and actually just changes how he acts again he is a spy basically and good at lying and making things up i would presume
Yeah…I just can’t get behind Chico being Venom. The strength, stature, previous combat experience, etc etc etc - it just way too off. Including one major issue…Venom has dark brown heir. Chico does not. You can only dye hair, not ‘change it’. Along with muscle atrophy. Chico couldn’t have gone through puberty, and some how ended up jacked and 2 feet taller in a few years while just laying there. If Kojima was going to go through ALL of this effort…yet fumble a couple key points, then the answer is clear. Additionally, they let us pick an avatar for a reason. Versus not giving us this option. We never saw the Medic, per - say. So it fits perfectly to ‘create’ a character.
Hair color is not a major issue for this Chico in theory, becuase you can design the medic with whatever hair color (or eye color) you want. But I do find it amusing that we can all accept Medic as Venom Snake and that he survived a 9 year coma with a piece of metal is his brain. And undergone complete facial reconstruction surgery to look like Big Boss and was brainwashed into believing he is Big Boss. And the fact he has a robot arm.... all believable, but hair color???
@@DreamingWeaver I doubt you’re gonna sell me on a Chico is alive theory in 2023, but you are welcome to attempt it. I just think calling your headcanon the definitive explanation is a little iffy lol
I don’t think it’s misunderstood but more so confusing because of they purposely designed the story this time. They almost used the FromSoftware form of story telling this time.
But there is a problem chico wasn’t even a teenager at ground zeroes suddenly after 9 years he is 50 years old? I think even kojima got confused by his own complicated story and made few mistakes that are irreversible he just couldn’t admit it so he created the story of the phantom pain to try to at least close some of the holes and paradoxes in the game
The algorithm presented this to me as I watch quite a lot of MGS videos being a big fan since PS1 MGS. I enjoyed this, the quality of production is very high. I found bits of it hard to follow and confusing but that's on me! Wild theories though, you've obviously thought about this a lot! I don't know how I feel about the story in MGSV, I just know that when I play it I love it, I like to think I know what is going on but I don't really, which is why I watch a lot of videos about it so I can try and figure it out. I like that it isn't easy to figure out and provides more questions than answers. I like to think it's from a creative genius that is beyond my level of comprehension, which is likely the truth.
I don't think Eli has slow aging I think this is outrageous speculation lol ;) still enjoying it though :D Also he has the body of a younger boy. No way he's older than like 13
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Oof. I appreciate your passion. I can’t agree with the points you are making. I can’t believe a traitorous, breakable, shitstain of a guy can be V. Gray Fox fits better.
you lost me when you said there maybe something unnatural on his genes to keep Eli looking young and to defend that position you use Paz being 20 pretending to be 16. its pretty common to short women being annoyed by people thinking they are not past 18 when they are almost 30. So for paz to pretend she is 4 years younger she must be naturally short and doest need laboratory intervention. so it makes no sense to explain Eli
U are saying so much but so little at the same time...I'm having real trouble getting what u saying about this whole series I knew the story of...u are complicating it so much it don't add up to the other games
Remember the trailer concept of PT? The mysterious Chico's head? With this theory, maybe makes more sense why they used Chico in that trailer instead of another character or a new one.
I didn't want to include a whole bunch of stuff outside of V and Metal Gear to stay focused, but this is absolutely part of the big picture. I think P.T. could stand for Parasite Therapy, for at least one meaning. Consider all the "centipedes" crawling out of everything, and the "head sucking" and how the monster reaches out with a big LEFT hand, and only a left. Seeing Chico as V I think unlocks an entire layer of interpretation for that PT trailer, and then could provide hints as to the final released PT's meanings as well. Perhaps there's something going on with Norman Reedus' character and parasites? Could Sam Porter Bridges have something to do with this? Did BRIDGES use parasites in turning Lisa into what she was in PT? Is parasite therapy also some kind of psychological thing utilizing time travel? I don't know! But it's interesting to consider it all!
sorry, what is PT?
@@diegotoronja8302 PT, also known as Silent Hills, the short horror game by KJP released in 2014.
@@diegotoronja8302 damn you missed a very scary teaser would could have been silent hill sadly Konami delisted the demo.
@@diegotoronja8302 he’s the dude who invented the circus
Me explaining to my professor why I haven’t done my homework
When I first delved into this franchise I was like “oh cool a game were I play as a spy and fight giant mechs that sounds cool” and everything since then as been a hurricane of “what the fuck is this” “oh that’s what the means/ they are” to “what the fuck” and “what the fuck x2” and I love every second of it
The Lei lea Lou lo!
Two plus two equals five
I always appreciated how even the missions that seemed like filler or busywork had actual plot relevance and secret info there, but you had to _listen to conversations_ and _investigate._ It’s incredibly detailed with its conspiracies, but very few players looked hard enough.
If you don’t immerse yourself and don’t use espionage then you’ll lose out on some vital information
@@TherealBigblue22 tell that to the thousands of mindless sheep that parrot the same “durr hurr MGSV HAS NO STORY” bs everywhere
@@2yoyoyo1UnpluggedYeah, most people will never get MGS. The amount of thought you have to put into understanding the plot is the biggest bottleneck to fully appreciating the series as a whole.
i think it's wonderful that even so many years later, we're stil making theory and analysis videos as a way to cure our phantom pain. it's never game over!
It's a crying shame this video has so few views, considering the amount of time and effort you must've put into it. I can only hope it gets traction somehow in the future, e.g. getting into the YT recommendations of other people like me who stumble over it, because I definitely think it deserves to get some more attention. I'd also like to see some more input from other people, including those who might disagree with some of your conclusions or supporting evidence, just to see how it stands up to more intense scrutiny. I like how you think and your presenting style, and I'm looking forward to more of your content in the future. I hope the current lack of views here doesn't deter you.
It got recommended to me and I love it.
How about try sharing it 🤡 amp888
@@HistoryandReviews I did, but me sharing it with a few friends is nothing compared to the potential audience it could get with preferential treatment from the almighty algorithm.
@@brianreese1937 Could you expand beyond "bad take" and give a few reasons why you think so, please? For example, any major points which are wrong (and the reason(s) + references why so)?
@@brianreese1937 "Chico is not the PC"
The last guy before getting on the chopper was mosquito which you encounter in mission 22 retake the platform. He wanted to get revenge on big boss bc he thought big boss turned on his guys but he was fed lies
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i know im two years late
but in the ending, it is confirmed that ishmael IS big boss
and that you play as the medic from ground zeroes
your character model you make in the beginning is the medic
when you look at the window in the ACC you see your character model *The canon medic*
*also side comment, Vic boss i believe is just a miss translated *Victorious Boss* i could be wrong on this on tho*
Maybe, but that’s also ignoring the unreliable narrator idea
I've watched this video b4, but let me just say that imo part one "breaking the mirror" has completely changed the way I see the game...from the fake IV to Ishmael never taking damage. I think you should expand upon this more in future videos, as it seems the most grounded in game.
EDIT: As I'm rewatching the video some points to further expand upon in future videos should be the scene where skull face takes control of the camera in a very distinct fashion, given that Venom is Chico and their history together (Ground Zeros), also a lore video explaining why Chico and Paz have more history compared to the medic and Paz would greatly help further prove your point about why Chico would be the one imagining Paz on motherbase. Also something that adds to your whole "the game (specifically Venoms POV) lies to you" is the fact that in the ending we get to see schizophrenia meds. Which further puts into question not only his struggle as a doppelganger but as to what we can take for granted throughout the story.
My series of lectures going over MGSV in detail goes a lot more into the "Paz is Chico" idea that I start to unravel here. In many ways, TPP reproduces Paz and Chico in symbolic fashion either adjacent to each other or in the same space, or uses a narrative device to equate the two. In many ways, Paz represents an aspect of the transformed Venom's lost memories of his own past.
@@DreamingWeaver Will give them a watch then, kuddos to the great videos!
Regarding peacewalker kojima did want to call it metal gear solid 5, but konami didnt want a mainline game being on a portable device. So personally my headcanon is peacewalker, ground zeroes, and the phantom pain are together metal gear solid 5.
This subject is elaborated on in the next videos I did. "MGS5" is 5 games.
@DreamingWeaver I'll sure to give it a watch! Thanks for all you do to make these videos! Love them & metal gear solid!
Great video. This is THE most confusing game of all time. The Kojimaverse....ahhhhh there's nothing like it....
"The Kojimaverse" is a great phrase imo. I'm gonna use it now
Just wanna say thank you for this video. Having grown up with MGS2 and 3 I knew from the start of V that I need to play this game with a pre text that everyone is lying to me in order to really get an idea what's happening. Also V is a trilogy of PW, GZ and TPP or rather those 3 games are the "Walkman trilogy" that term wasn't coined by me.
Not having coop feels like a massive hole in this game's soul, its just so perfect for this game that it baffles me there isnt even a mod for it.
I think Kaz being a parasite copy and time travel being a part of Kojima’s original plan are a little far fetched, but this was overall a well made and entertaining video. Thanks for making it.
The theory was wild but I loved your explanation and defense despite not agreeing. I loved the video and it was a lot of fun to think about
I don't think this is right given Kojimas 4th wall breaking player avatar, unnamed Boss (YOU are Snake etc)
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I did very much enjoy the conspiracy :)
Ayo! J here!
Sorry, it took me this long to watch this video in full. What a thrill!...
I'm gonna give you my thoughts and I may have to rewatch the video to elaborate correctly.
I'm of the belief Venom is the Medic, Big Boss' buddy in msf, a way for KojiProd to personify the player(s), so you'll know where my head is.
I too think GZ isn't real and I think there is a case to make about the events in the chopper being untrustworthy, both for what is presented in the spotlight and details.
To me GZ is one of Venom's fake memory; I will paraphrase Ocelot; "he went through all your past missions".
Chico isn't the only one who loves Paz; nearly all (if not all) of MSF loved Paz; it's not necessarly the same kind of love as Chico had for Paz, but it's love nonetheless.
For the Concept Art of Chico, you mentioned Fish Hooks, which hints to Bait, a Red Herring. Venom's prosthetic Arm was seemingly an upgrade to the original starting prosthesis: the Split Hook. The Hook both plays in the missing arm, but also Moby Dick. Ahab is the Captain of the Pequod, a Whaling Ship; they are fishermen. Chico having a hook, when he too is like Moby Dick's Ahab, hunting SkullFace, the Whale that took his love.
My primary language is not English, so this may come from a misunderstanding on my part: One piece of Concept Art for the Skulls depict a Skull with a submachine gun and a knife, his suit seems derived of the Soviet Sneaking Suit of MGS3 and next to him is a badge which says "Super Snake". I'm not sure where the idea of a Super Parasite Suit comes from, I'm simply confused.
The idea of multiple Paz is interesting. To me it's to highlight Cipher; the lengths and ways of Zero. He didn't take the first spy, there were 9 candidates for the one who would be Paz. Pacifica Ocean's is her true name, Paz is only an identity to infiltrate Big Boss' entourage. When Chico said Paz had died, I think it plays in the theme of loss, double think. He's coping with what he's seen, what he was forced to do. Trauma, fake truth, themes of MGSV.
The white particules being parasites do confuse me, because it looks like the kind of dust you can find anywhere; simply an effect to add realism; there is dust where there is light, like in real life. But as you showed, in paz's room, they are shaped like parasites or Wolbachia (I only remember the MALE INTO FEMALE part of that scene, I apologize). Are other particules, outside the hallucination, also shaped like so?
Those are some wild theories, it brings back memories of when Death Stranding was announced, it's a super game, yet I still long for what I thought it meant!
Keep up the good work!
Until then, Boss! 07
I hate this theory and everything I come up with to totally refute it doesn’t hold up. Apparently I believe this now
Great vid. Only thing is the Chico=Venom Snake theory literally has no legs to stand on but i appreciated it none the less.
You'd appreciate it more if you didn't already have your mind made up. Go watch my other videos and tell me again about legs. I explain the Chico symbolism in The Phantom Pain in great detail in the lecture series I made after this, specifically lectures 4, 5, and 12 go over how characters like Malak, Huey, the D-Walker, Shabani, and Eli all collectively lay out what happened to Chico from 1975-1984, and how he ended up in the hospital reawakening as Venom Snake.
@@DreamingWeaver I mean I definitely didn't already have my mind made up, I even thought of other evidence that supports the theory such as when Big Boss rescues Chico from captivity back in Peacewalker he has the whole bit about "Chico, you died here today, dry your tears, then give your life to me." among others. I just think it's adding a layer of complexity that's not really there. Some of the same argument is posed in the "Quiet is Chico" theory and while that theory can have evidence to support it I don't think quiet is Chico either. Maybe saying "no legs to stand on" was too harsh. For what it's worth I really did appreciate how you put everything together and it revealed a lot of nuance in things such as a deeper understanding of Kojimas music choices and also the mirror therapy thing I definitely feel had influence to the way scenes were presented I never noticed that before.We just don't agree on the conclusion that's all no harm done 👍
I'm asking you to see the rest of my arguement before going on. This video was just the introduction into the idea. The real evidence is not here, and this video is just supposed to help people see the foundations of how it's possible. You say you just don't think the layers are there, but I have definitely done the work to show them. They're in the other works I did after this one. That's what I mean by not making up your mind. Everyone by default has the stance you do after playing MGSV. The game programs the audience to be exactly this way, to be resistant to just interpreting the art like every story, instead just accepting the surface level and the popular interpretations. If you just go listen to the rest of what I've said in the lecture series, you can then start to tell me that we just see it differently. I know stories and storytelling very well, and I'm not just some schmo spinning theories. These ideas come from the text. I can show you that if you just take the time to see it. If you simply mirror Chico's face, you will see the patch lines up one to one with Venom and his wound. Trust me here. Venom is definitely representing Chico. He's more than that, too, but that's the first step in understanding and finding real Peace.
@@DreamingWeaver To clarify I did watch I'm pretty sure all your videos in this series and also I don't think you just spun the theory out of nowhere you definitely have evidence to go with the theory. I just take the stance that the mirroring of Venom/Chico is more metaphorical than physical/literal. I agree with a lot of your points and the correlations you draw in this and in your other vids. I'm not trying to change your mind and in retrospect my initial words I used didn't do justice to how much work went into this series and the theory behind it. I mean hey I could be wrong and you could be right I don't know 100% for sure. Like I said initially, great vid. Over the years Metal Gear has been the most fun puzzle box to mentally chew on. I'll be coming back to rewatch this series! ✌️ 🕊️
This is well thought out and your production values are pretty fucking good. Your writing is concise, the sound is clear and loud, your video editing conveys your points. You deserve way more views and subscribers imo.
Allow me to indulge you 😘
Chico being venom is a good theory that I never thought of.
Yeah, just a shame that the theory has no grounds
Fr how would chico be Venom tho
@@briertayion9906Chico is pretty much a meme now
I also wander if ground zeros incident was (like everything about the game, while playing it) was part of the hypnosis venom underwent for his transformation, as it was Bigboss’s most recent mission. Venom isn’t voiced by hayter, most people see this as an inconsistency, since Bigboss seems to be voiced by Sutherland too. What if part of the hypnosis to convince himself he was Bigboss that in these recreated missions venom hears his own voice instead of bigboss’s real voice. One plot hole that I can think of is in truth, when it seemingly completely separates from venoms perspective, Bigboss still sounds like venom, however if that conversation between ocelot and BB at the end of truth was recorded it could be that even venom hears the recording of Bigboss as his voice due to a lingering effect of the hypnosis or even a side effect of his frontal lobe being damaged if he can see things that aren’t there or not see things that are, maybe it effects sounds the same way. Another plot hole that I can’t put together is how kaz talks about Paz and how he acts like he didn’t know she was a double agent when at the end of peace walker he admitted he knew the whole time.
I’m very interested in the interpretation of ahab being Chico and Ishmael being medic, having multiple copies of big boss operating. Gives a good explanation for what the hell happened to Chico and would be a tragic yet good use of his character.
I like the idea of Chico turning out to be venom snake, but to me the details just don't add up
39:36 - BIG SHELL game!!!!
There is one definitive truth here... the Ground Zeroes mission is not a real mission. Thats a memory of someone. Of who??? Who knows....
I don’t understand your comment? Maybe your understanding something about the story that I am not, how is it a definitive truth that the mission is only a memory? The mission, it’s characters and the events that unfold all have cause and effect to the greater story of phantom pain. If the events in ground zero never happened, how do you explain the events that unfolded after the game leading into the phantom pain, the plot, narrative, tape recordings of the interrogations of Paz and Chico etc, etc?
@@darrencos "I doubt the simulation accurately depicts what really happened." Chico's memories have had the Patriot's "context" added.
What?? Its actually the other way around. The mission did take place and we are playing as big boss.
@@darrencos GZ is one part of Big Boss and Ocelot's plan to brainwashed Ahab in order to make him believe more and more that he is the real Big Boss
@@paisano6830 I wish it were that simple kid
I'll add some fuel to this in the meta and in the canon of the games, even though the video is a couple years old now. So, meta level, a lot of people had ideas that Chico WAS in the game and not cut content but decided that Chico had to be Quiet IF Venom was the Medic. Chico not being cut content was on the table for many, due to the many logistics of the situation. Now, in Jamais Vu we see a Cyborg Ninja with white hair going against parasites. This is a pseudo-historical recreation. I assert it's Gray Fox, utilizing a prototype of the cyborg exoskeleton or Skull Suit that Venom can develop later on. This would work as he'd be well past Null and on his way to becoming Gray Fox in FOXHOUND, Big Boss AND Zero's American task force. It would explain why he's getting help from Miller and Ocelot, and why they call the parasites Snatchers, as if you saw the zombie-like infected in TPP, you'd probably say the same. It would also explain why on a meta level we play as the cyborg ninja, as Chico in the meta concept art was likely to be a low tech cyborg ninja. Lastly, the parasites that Quiet and Code Talker have clearly can do visual changes to the person. It can turn them invisible layer by layer, fully invisible, and can change the color of their skin as with the black butterfly-like pattern that is on their faces. Now if you know the parasites can prolong life, can heal or reduce damage, can change visual aspects of a person, why not use it to make a new Naked Snake? If Chico believes he's Big Boss, he would change his visage to mimic that, and if you're like me and feel Chico is characteristically non-violent it also changes the context of Demon-Venom as an actual alteration in appearance and not a karma system. More than that, if you have a Skull Chico it explains easily why he can walk despite bolted achilles, it explains why the line in promo material is "two phantoms", it explains why Quiet wouldn't want to use the parasite against him, why she would actively celebrate his birthday, why on a meta level the camera looks on her in a sexualized way, it can be extrapolated that in Chico's subconscious he knows Paz is dead which is why Venom doesn't exude the behavior of a crush onto her, but that behavior (fantasizing about a crush, going against orders to attempt to help said crush) are plastered onto Quiet. As well, Chico characteristically is non-violent as I stated I believe, and every passive choice you can make is specifically Venom's choice. The players' inaction is Venom's action. Those choices are (not) killing Quiet (who I expressed Chico places his crush on) and (not) shooting Skull Face. The latter being him freezing up, as he did when Skull Face confronted him and ChicoVenom was unable to take the shot. If you do shoot Skull Face, his left arm is removed as Venom's was when Paz exploded, otherwise Miller aims and his wounds are placed on Skull Face. The wounds both are from Paz's death, mind you. And despite the monster Skull Face is, the torment administered to Venom and Kaz, Venom does not kill him. He also does not kill Eli in 51, assuming potential canonicity, despite the English strain being in Eli and therefore being a potential world-ending threat. Venom knows Eli is not his son at this point, so it's not a familial connection. I think that the reason child soldiers are such a huge thing in this game is because of Chico. Chico WAS a child soldier more or less, it makes complete sense that if Chico is Venom, then Venom saving the child soldiers, saving Eli, and all of that substory those would be the actions taken. Assume this, remove Venom from the game, just photoshop him out, put a Chico that is older and "trained" by Big Boss in Venom's place. Does any action we see in cutscenes or in canon moments not make sense? Ocelot and Miller already know Venom isn't Big Boss, hell the Mammal Pod knows, Skull Face knows, etc. Ishmael being the medic shows why he can show you how to patch up serious injuries when you're atrophied and freshly missing an arm, etc.
Also, secondarily, we don't see Snake eat or sleep, despite the day/night cycle Snake can simply keep going nonstop. The only thing we DO see is when you're "dirty" flies swarming around you. Could they be eating the parasites coming off you as the parasites kick in to overdrive because you aren't using them supplementary? As we see from the Quiet scenes, water is vital to the parasites as they are like plants with the photosynthesis. When you return from an extended stay in the field and are "dirty" Ocelot has a bucket of water READY to toss on you with only a notice of "You stink, Boss". Now, enemies in the field CAN smell you when you're dirty, and Occam's razor and all, but Kojima does love the truth within the truth concepts like the S3 being layer on layer, so I assume in my interpretation of canon following this video that Ocelot does the bucket trick to help the parasite because he doesn't know when Venom will shower.
You'd enjoy the lecture series I did following this.
2+2=5
I need aspirin. I think I heard more questions then answers
Thank you. I know MGSV has 'near infinite' interpretations, but it's still art, in a finite medium. This was pure conjecture, and 'circumstantial' evidence, but not really. This was mostly just THIS guy, unable to let go of his Phantom Pain, of losing Chico.
I always assumed that the game starts in 1984 and mostly takes place throughout the year, but that the Man Who Sold the World episode ends in 1995 right before Metal Gear.
You'll want to go over the whole MGSV Explained lecture series I did for the full deets on the timeline. Short answer is the events of TPP we play start in 1986 and mission 31 happens around 1994, and then missions 32-46 show events from 1996-2004, linking everything from before MG1 to the setup for Shadow Moses in 2005. To get the 1975-1986 stuff gets more complicated but it's also there in TPP's structure.
You did a fantastic job with this video. Earned a new subscriber for sure.
Man I wished this video three times already u did good job.
My brother. I'm not sure how else to say what exactly after i've heard what you said between 5:28-5:58.. but i found your these specific selection of words that you, as it seems naturally emitted from your soul really spoke to my own. I felt like i had on my mind today and as i processed my own thought today and throughout this video it felt like to perfectly synchronized with my current thoughts, feelings, and emotions about alot of things. I'll just keep it at that. I love metal gear and i also too have currently have a refuled spark of metal gear love. Great video
Watching once more because such a good video, gotta boost the numbers!
I have so many questions after watching this, but I suppose the most obvious one is if Chico was Venom wouldn't he still have the hole in his chest that he had during Ground Zeros? Since you can play venom without covering his chest the hole should be there still? Has anybody checked it? I presume it's not there if nobody made such an obvious connection. I do like the Chico is Venom idea since after the crash Chico is just removed from the story entirely with no explanation to my knowledge.
But it also seems clear now that MGSV is clearly a kind of surrealist game, the point seems to be that there are no answers, I really dislike that, MGS1 was my first game in the series, and to see the last game in the series sort of devolve into an attack on story telling and meaning in itself is disappointing in a way. Sure mysteries are fun, but to a point, I think MGSV sort of crosses that line. I still like that people like you are trying to figure it out, but just wonder if it's worth it in the end.
So, the hole in Chico's chest is kind of a metatextual thing. Chico is being made to "listen to his heart" here. It's very likely the Chico we see is a virtual recreation, and this (I presume) addition to his physiology is like the reopening of the (fake) Paz's wound in TPP. It's meant to describe Venom's, and the player's state of mind at this point in the story. And since Venom has a healing factor, any such hole would be long gone so many years later.
I think the way this game expects you to do all the legwork on figuring out the Truth is akin to the message of MGS2's ending. When Snake tells us to find our own meaning and not just accept what we're given or told, that is also meant to be applied to the Metal Gear games. V takes this to the limit by presenting you with this multilayered narrative. You can kind of find almost too much meaning here, and that's the point. You have to know yourself how to find your own meaning. I think this is the core of what Zero was trying to teach Chico.
@@DreamingWeaver That's interesting I didn't know that it was his heart he was listening to, and while I accept the Chico we see could be VR, the original mission where the real Chico existed would presumably still have this hole? Unless this is just surrealist too. Okay I guess that makes sense with how Venom is healing, but it's sort of blurry to me when gameplay mechanics are used to justify stuff like this in story telling.
I am not an existentialist, so by nature I will never be satisfied with a game that does not have an objective truth at the end of it or that is discover-able, so it's possible that the multilayered narrative is just not for me. Truth is meaning to me, so to have a game where the truth is very clearly being obscured on multiple levels would be okay if it was solvable. I don't know if you would agree that the story/plot/characters are unsolvable since you made a video trying to solve it, but that's just my gripe that if you view truth as meaning like I do, I don't really see how you can view it as satisfying.
But apart from that congratulations on the video must have taken a tonne of work, I'll be watching it again soon. I found the time travel stuff fascinating too, never heard of that anywhere, even Futurasound who seems to be analyzing everything in MGS has never discovered those connections to my knowledge. Hope the video continues to gain views in time.
@@DeCoR18 Tune in when I release these new videos that I'm working on right now. I have a more thorough explanation for the holes in Chico's heart and head, and what all was going on with them. Short answer: those are the wounds from where he was surgically implanted with the parasite. And since his body was destroyed in the bombing, the wound in his chest would have healed. The one in his head is still there, in the form of his archaea horn. (The way we see Chico in Ground Zeroes is mirrored, so the bandage is on the opposite side.) The archaea itself is derived from Volgin's parasite and thus it can't be destroyed with explosions--it just absorbs the energy and grows.
@@RossOfRoni Sounds great man, looking forward to checking them out :)
Dude you now want me to believe there are 3 big bosses!? Even if valid I can't do it any longer... counting Solidus and Boss there are 5! That would make more bosses than! snakes
so when do they let the cat out of the box? when is the final reveal?
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This game has its own massive story filled with some sub plots, which is amazing. People think the game barely has any story because they were so concentrated in the amazing gameplay lol. And that they like to determine how good a story is by comparing it to MGS4, a game with it's own massive complex plot, which is just unfair
Well...I appreciate all the effort put into arguing for a novel way to look at this game. I was already onboard with the 'Chico is Venom' idea, as well as the idea of Death Stranding being a follow-up to Metal Gear's world, although I have to say all the stuff involving Survive and time travel being invoked...I wouldn't put it past Kojima to invoke time travel (especially to explain plot holes), but honestly that's a direction that kills investment for me. One big question comes to mind: If Zero really was some time-traveling genius (whose technology is derived from an apocalypse instigated by technology he created), then why did he not have the foresight to predict MGS4? What is the point to a prequel revealing the Patriots had access to time travel tech?
I would argue that all the advanced cutting-edge technology seen in the 'historical' games really is just a reflection of how top-secret military projects are often multiple decades ahead of what is publicly acknowledged. The anachronisms in MGSV could still set the game in the '80s without expecting us to accept the game taking course over 9 years OR time travel getting involved. The 'wormholes' being unlockables, much like Quiet being recruitable even after her disappearance, feel more like a gameplay bonus (or acknowledgment that it's all a simulation) than something to take seriously - though I'm sure people can point to MGS2 as featuring quantum tunneling tech before.
I'm not exactly sure what you're implying with Paz - is it that the Paz in Peace Walker really did die there, and the one found in Ground Zeroes is a different Paz? Did THAT Paz die for real? I still would like to think Paz was used as a trojan horse to infect everyone on that helicopter with parasites...and that concept art of Quiet initially looking exactly like Paz makes me wonder if she was meant to be the same person. Also, that old crackpot 'Chico is Quiet' theory...might have something to it, in the sense Paz/Quiet had her face and hair modified to resemble a feminine 'Chico' as a way of subconsciously encouraging Chico/Venom to recognize a similarity between him and her.
I remember reading one theory about MGSV being about finding a way to break out of a time loop, with its ending showing Venom finding a way to actually break that cycle and step out into the unknown. Would be nice for Chico to find his own future instead of being doomed to being an anonymous victim of history.
You're assuming here he didn't want what happened in 4 to happen exactly how it happened, but I see what you're getting at! I think MGS4 pulled the wool over our eyes in the same way V has, and I think this kind of deception probably goes at least back to MGS3's plot as well. That's where the parasites came from, after all, and it's a pretty incredible coincidence that the introduction of the parasites in V doesn't mean anything in 3 needs to be retconned, but instead just provides more context.
Re: Paz. I'm not sure exactly what happened with Paz, but here are the possibilities I see:
1. There's only 1 Paz. She died in PW, was fished up, revived, then killed again. She would have been given parasite therapy previous to all this, for mission purposes.
2. There were multiple Paz's, and the one that died during the PW ZEKE incident is truly gone, and she was replaced by a parasite therapy clone Paz, "fished up," and captured and killed by Skull Face.
In either case, I don't think she was the "trojan horse" for parasite infection, but instead just for the bomb. The parasites don't infect anyone just by mere contact, or else they'd spread like wildfire. We can assume, I believe, that anyone who has had parasite therapy and is a host to the parasite probably has been completely irradiated, rendering their parasite inert and unable to reproduce and make new generations of itself (thus it would only replace its own old copies). Consider how Paz's bomb mirrors the bombs given to each of the Cobras, minus the Boss--perhaps this was the "missing bomb" from 3 in a weird, twisted way?
@@DreamingWeaver I'm still not exactly sure what MGS4's 'deception' was here, although I suppose the continuation of the franchise represented in Rising/Survive (and Death Stranding) could allude to Zero's ideas existing even after he and his AIs are 'gone'. I guess I still consider time travel/multiverses/simulation theory a step too far in trying to understand the overarching 'timeline' of the Metal Gear series, but that's personal preference - the series is already fantastical enough for those ideas to not be far-fetched.
I also like the idea of Quiet being 'a' Paz, partly because her relationship with the grown Chico is a nice bookend to the traumatic relationship they had in their 'youth' in GZ. I still think "MGSV as Chico's tragedy" is the most compelling reading of this game, and in a way it adds to the tragedy that the majority perspective contributes to the erasure of Chico's identity by reducing the person he plays into a 'pawn' of his idol.
I actually just figured that the Boss never needed to self-destruct partly because it was planned all along for her disciple to kill her AND there was a bombing run set to dispose of her corpse immediately after. But paralleling her to Paz does raise a question I've considered - was Paz's appearance intentionally chosen to subconsciously remind Big Boss of his mentor, in a parallel to how she apparently first met him when he was a teen barely older than Chico? One can go further down this rabbit hole and consider if the "Enfantes Terribles" project was just an extension of a pre-existing project to create clones of the Joy. I'm reminded of how a very early idea for MGS5 was to have it be about the Cobra Unit's experience in WW2, and how Paz's abusive upbringing might in a way hint at the trauma that molded the Joy into the Boss.
I've seen some theories that worked really hard to draw some connection between P.T./Silent Hills and Metal Gear - I'm not taking it seriously since not everything made by a creator has to fit in the same 'world', but there definitely is an interesting parallel between Silent Hill's depiction of multiple dimensions and the elements of multidimensional travel that MGSV/Survive/Death Stranding feature.
@@mattmedrala1947 You should check out my update video I just released! I go into the ideas you touch on here just a bit.
To put it bluntly here, I think that Paz was definitely a clone of Joy, but also I think she's more than that. Her powers (if she is indeed also Quiet) indicate she has photosynthesis, meaning she also has The End's "children" as part of her genetics. She might also have some of The Fear's ability to manipulate his body.
And going back to what you started your comment about: I think the "Big Boss" at the end of MGS4 was actually Solidus. Think about how we see him die in MGS2, then compare that to the other "parasite soldiers" we know of. Do you think a few cuts with a sword was enough to completely kill Solidus and stop his parasites from reviving him? I doubt it! I think the MGS4 we experienced was only really half of the story, because I think there's evidence that Metal Gear actually takes place over 2 timelines of mostly the same events that repeat themselves after the "first" time thru the events.
I'd suggest watching the movie "The Final Countdown" for a reference point in how I am approaching trying to crack how Metal Gear uses time travel. To be sure, I think time travel has always been part of the equation, and its use has been "redacted" from the public's eyes for various reasons. The tracing of Chico to Venom to Gray Fox and Null is the main evidence that we have some kind of time travel happening--if Chico was born in 1962 and became V in 1975-86, how could he have been participating in the events depicted in Portable Ops? I'm not going to suggest that Null just wasn't there--it makes more sense he traveled back in time at one point then re-lived some parts of the timeline. This also sets him up to be a random soldier on MSF's base in 1974, and then that also makes him a possible candidate to be Metal Gear Survive's Captain who travels to Dite and then (maybe eventually) comes back from that future. So it's not really a "time travel to change the past" thing, it's actually "time travel to fulfill the past," with maybe a side of Back to the Future's "don't erase yourself from history" idea there to kind of establish some rules and boundaries.
Edit: Whoops, just saw I made this on my other account. But this is me! (The only me isn't me.)
@@RossOfRoni Cool, thanks for telling me about your video further developing these ideas! I'll have to see it first before I can really formulate a proper response, but I can sort of see a continuity between Gray Fox and Venom. I remember seeing Python Selkan's videos where they seemed quite convinced that Venom IS Gray Fox, but on top of that they alluded to some possible theories about MGS6 possibly continuing his story - wonder if this ties in with your idea that the 'real' Big Boss is still a dormant prisoner of the Patriots.
Wow, I hadn't really considered Paz as having powers prior to her (possible) rebirth as Quiet, but I'll definitely want to see what the evidence for that is. Just glad to see someone else is entertaining the Paz as Joy clone idea!
Another thing that I remember from Selkan's videos, that I'm not sure you might have a hypothesis about, is them pointing out an apparent discrepancy in the timeline regarding the fate of the 'real' Naomi Hunter. They somehow extended that theory to question if this Dr. Hunter was the same person as Dr. Clark/Paramedic, and seemed to put into question what her fate was too. Personally I'd love to have a physical cameo from her older self as we've already seen the deaths of Singint and Zero, and it's not a hard leap to consider Clark had oversight on Venom's enhancements as a precursor to her experiments on Fox. Something to think about anyway.
I hope to have more to say when I get around to your updated theory. I'm glad to see people still putting work into creating original and well supported interpretations of this game.
Great video. TBH, reminded me of the old conspiracy videos on TH-cam before all them channels were banned xD Sure does take you down a rabbit hole
I am already confused Kaz
wow this was fantastic, much love
Im somehow more confused than i was when I started watching this
I always found it very interesting that the leaked cut scenes never got taken down, and how complete they looked for being only "30" percent complete. I also felt it strange they just released the nuke ending or maybe it got leaked i don't really remember but still all strange and weird. i always felt this game had a meta story way way beyond most peoples comprehension but kojima allows you to consume a story in what is in the game and it is weird and satisfying in its own ways but the deeper you dig in all this other stuff outside of the game or if you take into account peace walker and ground zeros and survive and other facts about the story that we know like you did this whole thing really just keeps gettting more and more complex. It is funny you bring up death stranding in the end of the video as well cause i just played it and and beat it and really enjoyed it and had an overwhelming desire to play thru the phantom pain again. This game really is something else and i hope we keep talking about it and analyzing it for the years to come. kojimbo is a madman and i love him for it! This video deserves way more views btw holy.
The cutscenes that were 30% complete weren’t leaked, they were included in the collectors edition that you could buy when the game was released. It was on a separate blu ray or something.
@@owltowel7333 Actually you're both right. They "leaked" the cutscene before the release in the Definitive Edition. IIRC the whole thing was more of a promotion by Konami for the game, but you could go find a TH-cam channel with some other ARG-looking stuff on it that had uploaded the video a few days before the Definitive Edition released.
What a review!
2+2=5 right, that means we are missing something in the equation. what we know doesn’t add up to what is. Zero isn’t the man behind the curtain he’s the man sending other men behind the curtain.
Help this makes to much sense help!!!!
I’m glad someone else thinks that there are 2 body doubles! I don’t know if I buy that it’s Chico the player is playing but you make a lot of compelling arguments
Also the parasite dust, no one ever mentions it, I think it’s either what you’re saying or that scenes where they occur are misrepresented to the player or false, like during the Paz cutscenes
Great video man!
I played every mgs game up until this one I just never had time and I love that this video exist. And also for my peace of mind I'm ok that i didn't play, seems like alot to digest.
There a song that’s says rebel yell 1999 remastered
I have a theory but it might seem a little out there chico has a headphone jack in his chest area could it be he has the English parasite that skull face says is really close to you cuz quiet does speak English and it doesn't kill big boss or quiet so could it be possible that chico has the parasite
You'll want to stay tuned, right now I'm in the middle of production of a 5-video followup series to this video, and it's gonna go into the hole in Chico's chest, the English parasite, and who has it and what it really is. Good thinking.
Time to download the game again
One thing i never understood.. where did they put the 2nd bomb in paz? She never finished her sentence 🤔
Hey big boss if I'm not mistaken when you play the game some of the credits and shipping containers have Diamond dog labels both skull face has traits that have Diamond dog labels on it and so do we so yes we are unfortunately working for Cipher and Chico aka the new Big Boss doesn't realize it
what an interesting game
Amazing theory still so much mystery around V after all these years. Unfortunately thats all that it is.. a theory. Will we ever get official closure? Seems like this phantom pain will last forever. Maybe something will happen 9 years after relase a real awakening.. Similar as season 3 of Twin Peaks
It's MGS 5, Five, or V. I know it's the first MGS game that uses roman numeral in it's title, but it is still MGSV(5). And yes I understand the significance of the letter/symbol V. It's pretty annoying calling it "vee". Good video regardless of me wanting to bash my head against the wall everytime you call the game vee lol. Kaz confirms in a codec call that Chico is Very dead. Also, David Hayter has stated that Kojima had wanted to replace him in earlier games. He finally did it in TPP. I can appreciate the time spent on this theory. It's definitely interesting, but I don't believe there to be enough evidence to support it. Plus, I'd rather play as the medic/ourselves than Chico lol. It would have been neat if they brought Chico back like in the concept art though.✌️
Kojima himself tweeted that he considers it MGSV, not MGS5. Here's the link: twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/637435774162436101
@@DreamingWeaver That's interesting. Thanks. I wasn't aware of this information. It's a lot less irritating now and retract my previous gripe lol
@@DreamingWeaver if Chico is Venom Snake, where is the proof the medic isn’t still alive?
@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures Check out my newly-released series. "Medic" is just a cover identity used by Null, Old Fox, while he's part of MSF. Null is Chico after time traveling back to before his own creation. So in a sense the Medic is still alive.
MGSV is so fucked up that you could create the craziest theory ever and I’d say that it’s plausible.
I like this theory but it’s just a fanfic at this point. The game outright tells us we are the medic and Ismael is Big Boss
The game also tells you a ton of stuff that's a bald-faced lie on the surface. How do you pick and choose what you decide is true and what is lies?
This was great.
the skulls didn't make any sense still
Thank u
Wow
This is why big boss is even able to be in mgs4 just wow bro
I kmew from the very beginning vemon snake wasn't the real big boss and that Ismael was indeed the real big boss, it was way to oblivious, what i didn't know was who vemon snake was at first
Ishmael is not the same person as Jack, either. Keep looking in the mirror for the truth.
I would like to know your take on the mgsgz side ops particularly Jamais Vu
Jamais Vu is meant to seed this idea of body snatchers, the idea being that Chico with his whole interest in cryptozoology would be a perfect audience for this kind of side op. There's also an interesting thing going on with "Raiden's" voice in Jamais Vu, but it's hard to put a finger on exactly what's up with it. I think it sounds like there are two different voices there, one of them is like his normal voice we know of, but it's produced by some kind of electronic box (like he sounds in MGS4 when he's wounded) while layered beneath that is another, deeper voice that sounds suspiciously like David Hayter's soothing croons.
Since "Snatcher" is also a previous Hideo Kojima game, Jamais Vu adds to the self awareness present in that side op and Deja Vu. Metal Gear has always been somewhat self-aware, but I'd say those two side ops are the most explicitly aware of their own nature as being in a video game. In other words, Jamais Vu serves the purpose of making the player think that this is all just a game, which has this weird side effect of making us not look as hard into the other actually mysterious things going on in GZ and TPP. It's like by making this side op and the cross-universe connection something of a novelty they do a little magic trick and make us not realize there's much more that they're (not) telling us beneath the surface.
I've seen your update vid and I agree, gz feels like a VR mission also the way the game acknowledged the fox engine color glitch always seemed off
Excellent video man! thanks for this content
Look I'll except this actually good theory only if we except that ocelot doesn't go under hypnosis and actually just changes how he acts again he is a spy basically and good at lying and making things up i would presume
this is based af, it deserves more views
@1:20:59, EEEEEEYYYYYYOOOOOOO!!!!! God, that fixes so many inconsistencies since parasites seemed more advanced than nanos.
I was looking for this two years ago.
There's plenty more where this came from. Check out the decoded series and the lectures if you're wanting the deep deep dive.
@@DreamingWeaver Oh I will. Never be game over.
Yeah…I just can’t get behind Chico being Venom.
The strength, stature, previous combat experience, etc etc etc - it just way too off.
Including one major issue…Venom has dark brown heir. Chico does not.
You can only dye hair, not ‘change it’.
Along with muscle atrophy.
Chico couldn’t have gone through puberty, and some how ended up jacked and 2 feet taller in a few years while just laying there.
If Kojima was going to go through ALL of this effort…yet fumble a couple key points, then the answer is clear.
Additionally, they let us pick an avatar for a reason.
Versus not giving us this option.
We never saw the Medic, per - say. So it fits perfectly to ‘create’ a character.
O7
Hair color is not a major issue for this Chico in theory, becuase you can design the medic with whatever hair color (or eye color) you want.
But I do find it amusing that we can all accept Medic as Venom Snake and that he survived a 9 year coma with a piece of metal is his brain. And undergone complete facial reconstruction surgery to look like Big Boss and was brainwashed into believing he is Big Boss. And the fact he has a robot arm.... all believable, but hair color???
39:51 whoa wait who’s McCoy??
I gotta say though. I think your theory is pretty unlikely. Occam’s Razor very much applies here in my opinion
Wait 'til you see my next videos then tell me what Occam's Razor says :P
@@DreamingWeaver I doubt you’re gonna sell me on a Chico is alive theory in 2023, but you are welcome to attempt it. I just think calling your headcanon the definitive explanation is a little iffy lol
@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged we have to wait 9 year after the awakening in MGSV. Until then,never be game over!
Enough with the damn balls
Thanks man!
Did you ask The Co Op Mode for permission to use their footage?
How do i know?.....
Chico is not venom. It’s the medic that you help create. It’s your identity in the game.
I don’t think it’s misunderstood but more so confusing because of they purposely designed the story this time. They almost used the FromSoftware form of story telling this time.
But there is a problem chico wasn’t even a teenager at ground zeroes suddenly after 9 years he is 50 years old? I think even kojima got confused by his own complicated story and made few mistakes that are irreversible he just couldn’t admit it so he created the story of the phantom pain to try to at least close some of the holes and paradoxes in the game
Bro. U have to read us your persuasive essay from high school. Very informative wit theories.
The algorithm presented this to me as I watch quite a lot of MGS videos being a big fan since PS1 MGS. I enjoyed this, the quality of production is very high. I found bits of it hard to follow and confusing but that's on me! Wild theories though, you've obviously thought about this a lot! I don't know how I feel about the story in MGSV, I just know that when I play it I love it, I like to think I know what is going on but I don't really, which is why I watch a lot of videos about it so I can try and figure it out. I like that it isn't easy to figure out and provides more questions than answers. I like to think it's from a creative genius that is beyond my level of comprehension, which is likely the truth.
Mmm maybe
I don't think Eli has slow aging I think this is outrageous speculation lol ;) still enjoying it though :D
Also he has the body of a younger boy. No way he's older than like 13
That's some ridiculous shit
I'm indulging you because this is an amazing video, but... No. Absolutely not.
I could get past that you sound like Chris Chan, but why am I six minutes in and you're still in your preamble
I still don’t get it.
But wait, there's more!
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Roman numerals...
Oof. I appreciate your passion. I can’t agree with the points you are making. I can’t believe a traitorous, breakable, shitstain of a guy can be V. Gray Fox fits better.
Metal Gear Solid "Vee" eh? Did you really not ever learn Roman numerals in school?
you lost me when you said there maybe something unnatural on his genes to keep Eli looking young and to defend that position you use Paz being 20 pretending to be 16. its pretty common to short women being annoyed by people thinking they are not past 18 when they are almost 30. So for paz to pretend she is 4 years younger she must be naturally short and doest need laboratory intervention. so it makes no sense to explain Eli
U are saying so much but so little at the same time...I'm having real trouble getting what u saying about this whole series I knew the story of...u are complicating it so much it don't add up to the other games
How doesn’t it add up, what things are you thinking of
@@isaiahroman4763 mainly chico being punished snake
A little overreading I think
its all cool until you mention mtal gear survive in your theory crafting
it’s metal gears solid 5, the V is a Roman numeral dude
twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/637435774162436101?t=52e2bvxWJdWm1Sfaaqp5Tg&s=19
so a 20 year old is moulded into a 50+ year old? yeahhhh righhhht
This video is one HUGE reach
Lol this game is so good it gets ppl to make 2 hour videos full of nonsense
Very nice up til the theories surrounding the game's soundtrack.