I think Ryan is one of the better presenters for test result videos. I like that he leaves the data on the screen so we can pause it and compare vehicles. Three suggestions for the future. 1 - Keep in mind TH-cam video end cards block the screen in the last 20 seconds, so data is not visible to view. 2 - Roll over all the vehicles on the graph, so the viewer can compare test numbers from all the previous vehicles. 3 - Would like to see another field showing the miles/kWh achieved over the test, added to the mouse roll over data window. Keep up the GREAT job Ryan.
These DCFC charging costs are out of control already. For $30, he went 117 miles. In a comparable Hyundai Sonota getting 35mpg on the highway and at the current gas prices of approx $3.50 per gallon, you could go 300 miles for $30. Keep in mind, Im not attacking EV's. I drive a Chevy Bolt and save a very large sum of money by charging at home. But if I still had my old job which required lots of highway driving and would have required charging on the road, I would be losing money by driving an EV and therefore couldnt have made the switch. If we hope to get more people to adopt EV's, this needs to be addressed.
That's a good point, though a tough nut to crack. Electrical services for commercial loads (> 50-100kW, depends where you are) have a charge to the bill of $/kW for how high the charge rate is in addition to the $/kWh. And that could get more complicated by time of day billing (peak, off-peak, overnight). The EVGo charging network for example has different kWh pricing depending on time of day. For gasoline and natural gas you only pay flat rate per the volume of what you bought.
Yup, you are pretty much right in the money when it comes to DC charging. I think only good thing about EV is that you can find free charger (Volta and some ChargePoint) that you cannot get in IVE cars
E-GMP cars just light it up with their charging speeds! I think if HI5/6 and Kia EV6 had 85kWh usable, they'd be road trip champs. Too bad software sucks and they're so far away from Supercharger compatibility.
i am curious what you need the software to do... like i do wish the "find a fast charger" function was better but the software is good outside of that. i've done one 1000 mile road trip and one 2000 mile roadtrip plus 12.5k miles total on my ionic 6. the software hasn't been an issue. if anything, the smart cruise control & points of interest + showing upcoming rest stops made driving a breeze.
@@brandenflasch no desire to. i hate the lack of physical buttons & interior design. the Hyundai's were designed by people who like people. the tesla's were designed by people who like smart phones.
I appreciate the data capture and analysis that Ryan is putting into these. That has been a missing ingredient from this channel in recent years. Keep it up!
I really like this test because it's basically worst case scenario for me. It is pretty difficult to maintain 80 miles per hour on the interstates near me, and I think that is true of most states in the Eastern part of the US.
I absolutely love these tests. I hope you can test every single EV plus all their variants out there. I agree that this test is one of the best representations of what it is like to road trip with an EV. Keep up the good work!!!
@@mustangsofsouthflorida1655 @Longsnowsm I have a LR SE RWD and have been keeping meticulous records of my efficiency from charge to charge. Since I purchased it at the end of July, I have driven it over 8,000 miles. Over the course of 37 charging sessions, 16 of those have yielded a range of 400+ calculated miles. My lowest efficiency is 4.3 mi/kwh and my highest efficiency is 5.6 mi/kwh. I have noticed that the car will charge at incredibly fast speeds if the car is at a low state of charge and the battery is at a good temperature. I've seen peak rates from the charger at about 240kwh. Yesterday, I did a charge on an EA 350kwh Signet from 18-90% and it took 25 minutes. I do not think that was my fastest charge, but it is among the top 5 fastest charges with this car on a DCFC.
@@NickLiang for a late 2023 ev it is the rivian dual motor lr with 21s can see that at hwy speeds, in proper perspective it's still over 90 miles per gallon in fuel burning equivelant. 😀👍🏻
Suuuuuuuch good data! I love that you guys push this stuff and make it common knowledge. Really helps to move the industry forward and focus on the things that matter.
Seems like a perfect opportunity to do another video in eco mode as a general E-GMP comparison video in the 2 modes. I would be particularly interested since they have the huge variance between the awd and rwd epa rated ranges which doesn’t really make sense if the front motor disconnects frequently.
I have this exact car (in black) In my short time owning it. It's not a significant difference between eco mode and normal on the highway, especially using the cruise control.
4:20 Thanks for the test. Just one thing to note. Wind and elevation changes will always have a net negative impact on range and efficiency. A to B to A round trips will mitigate a majority of those losses, though, so it's about the best we can hope for in the real world.
@@JamesRussoMillas you can if you own a Kona and want to drive a very efficient car, have heard about it's efficiency credentials but they aren't necessarily adding up given its weight.
I've actually gotten 55.9kWh on my ioniq 5 at that very charger. So the battery temp may have affected your charge speed, you could have gone 28 more miles!
Hyundai Genesis are road tripping machines if the chargers work. I have had a Genesis G80 from work for three weeks and it gets 3.7-4.1 mi/kwh and its not even an eGMP car. EPA is 280 but it would easily do over 300 miles. You can still get 70kw at over 80%, which is crazy.
‘21 M3 SR+, over 38K miles, with a lifetime average of 237 Wh/mi, and 4.22 mi/kWh. In the past 12 months, with 80% charging at home, 20% SC (all charging in California), I have paid $737.00 USD total cost for all charging, for approx 15,000 mile driving.
This got better efficiency at 80 mph than that crappy Lexus can at 70 mph?! And nearly the same range in 15 minutes of charge as that boring Lexus gets with a full charge?! Toyota - cancel your car. It’s a waste of material.
A really great result, I was really hoping for more driving time after 15 minutes. It's supposed to get to 80% in 18 minutes, which I was hoping would be well over 2 hours of driving, but this looks like stopping every 1.5 hours for near 20 minutes. My cruising speed is closer to 75mph though, so maybe it would be significantly better at the lower speed.
@@briansmithwins My ideal would be 3 hours of driving in 15 minutes of charging. I can almost always go 3 hours per leg of a trip, but I guess it depends on how much tea I drink on the way :)
He got 2.8 miles per kWh 11:55 compare this to the 70 mph test where he got 3.7 miles per kWh. That’s almost 30% difference! Speed really kills range. I know they have the a/c on here and not in the 70 mph test but still…
@@tomm5936 nice, thanks for that info. 75 should be closer to 70 than 80 considering the exponentially increasing energy usage with speed... maybe I should go test drive a 6 and see how it does with me driving it. I do wish you could get the smaller wheels on the upper trims.
@@mgarcia8878 most people charge at home which is MUCH cheaper. They only use DC fast chargers on long trips. If you rely solely on DCFC, your fuel cost will be similar to gas in most parts of the USA. Overseas is a different story.
"Most people are not going to roll in with 1 mile of range" Yeah, most people... I totally don't do this on a weekly basis.... not me... In my defense, I've never once actually gotten stuck and needed a tow! I've just gotten close more times than I can count! MY LUCK WILL NEVER RUN OUT
Very interesting and imho great testing methodology! The only thing I'd love to see in the diagram as well is the efficiency, to be able to see who benefits a lot from either fast charging and great efficiency. Thanks!
I know you drove 80mph but I drove 68mph in my Niro,and so did the Rivian behind me, prob for the same reason - no DC charger for miles😅 and we were going to end with 20 miles of range left to our destination.
Miss conception about 20" Wheels, if you would spec them with 235 rubbers it would have not much of an impact on energy consumption. Also preconditioning only save time not energy. And after fast charging it drains 2-3 kWh for cooling...so net usable energy is limited this way. In ECO it does not disengage the Clutch, due to max regen capacity.
I hope you will be able to test the two-wheel drive with the large (74 kWh usable) battery - it is surprisingly more efficient at 149 Wh/km (compared to 168 Wh/km for the AWD model with the same size battery). I believe both models should provide the same charging experience.
Well ... for scientific reasons it maybe interesting. But as a buyers advice, just add 10% to the result and you have the number the RWD with small wheels is capable of. In real life 10% difference in efficiency isn't much of a muchness. It is the difference between waiting 20 or 23minutes at the charger. But the AWD is far more capable on the street. The RWD is quite slow. Hyundai needs to step up their game when it comes to the rear drive unit. The new VW MEB rear drive unit (APP550) premiered in the ID.7 is showing that you can increase torque by 80% and power by 40% and nevertheless bring up efficiency by 20%. The ID.7 RWD accelerates as fast to 60 as the Ioniq 6 AWD ... and this while being as efficient as the Ioniq 6 and being a bigger car.
Can we talk about the costs? $29 for 45kWh is CRAZY. $0.64/kWh!? Assuming $3/gal gas (right now Colorado is even lower, about 2.65) Getting 2.8kWh costs as much as an ICE car getting UNDER 14MPG. Even at 3.7 kWh from the 70mph test, that costs as much as an ICE car getting under 18MPG. That’s crazy. I get that DC charging will be more but that’s out of hand.
Running this test in normal mode is not really a problem. When using cruise control, the behavior is the same as in ECO mode, the front axle is disconnected. Event in Sport mode, the front axle is always disconnected when cruise control is activated. In cruise mode, the standard behavior of the drive mode is resume only when the accelerator pedal is pressed. At least it's this for the EV6.
I have the ev6 rwd and it charged 24 to 74 percent in 12.5 minutes and sustained 5-8 percent higher average charging rates. Curious why this battery didn’t take the full 230.
These tests should really be 70 miles per hour. Most major highways here in Canada, going 130km is a ticket and demerit points on insurance record. Our highways max out at 110km an hour, which is around 70miles per hour.
you'll go 20-25% farther at 70 mph compared to 80 mph. but it makes for 40% longer times to run the test and comparatively it is pretty similar. In my neck of Canada our highway speed limits are 90 kmh so range is way higher (which is probably sa good thing since we have almost no DCFC around).
Ryan, I noticed in the graph at the end you have the ID.4 Pro S AWD listed at 84 miles. Is that video not posted yet? I don’t remember seeing that one pop up last month when you did the 70 mph range test.
Ryan, you bought 46kW for about $29 and paid a whopping $0.63/kW. Doesn’t that appear high? To only get only 117 miles and spend $29 for juice seems more expensive than driving an ICE vehicle. What’s going on with charger pricing in your area?
Great video thank you! How would this stack up against the Tesla 3 Long Range? I’m considering buying that car with enhanced autopilot but I’m also seriously considering the Ioniq 6. Kyle did a video with a green Ioniq 6 a few months ago where he said the model 3 long range (AWD) was still considerably superior overall. How do you feel about that now?
I feel like the handshake time should be included in the 15 minutes. You really give a pass to cars with longer or unreliable handshakes. I know it's too late to go back and wouldn't impact the results much because cars are already tapering after 14 minutes of charging. Just would be a better test imo.
Even though it wasn’t specifically mentioned, thank you for showing that charging station screen….So $29.07 gets you 117 miles? I’m all for EV’s and will be getting one myself soon, but clearly one pays dearly in a road trip scenario vs at home charging. If gas was $3.50 a gallon and an ICE vehicle got 30 miles to the gallon, then that ICE vehicle could have gone about 249 miles for the same amount of money.
I would say not to leave the car on and AC running. If I’m on a road trip I would not sit in the car during charging. I’m using the bathroom and stretching my legs. It’s not healthy to stay sitting for long periods of time
Oh snap I didn’t even see the tax. Holy crap why would anyone ever charge at this station? This alone would scare me from getting an EV that isn’t a Tesla, unless I never plan on charging away from home.
I find the charging quite slow in that session, actually. The 150 kW, in my experience, had been seen up until 80%. With better conditions and with the 2WD version, I’m sure it would beat the Taycan. On the other hand, again from experience, the fact that you forgot to put it in ECO should not have changed very much. The front drive train is, as you said, powered only on heavy load (power and regen).
Too bad it doesn't charge correctly on level 2 home charging, it takes 15-20 hours to charge at home since the Ioniq line still has charge port overheating issues, throttling charge current. Don't believe me? Google is your friend.
@@svengaefgen5909 I said it was a great car, didn't I? If this car is to sell well in the US they need to match the voltage to Tesla Supercharging, otherwise charging it on a road trip will be problematic. At least they're getting off the clunky old CCS charging plug.
Sorry but the efficiency was not impressive at all for a vehicle compromised for aerodynamics, clearly the drivetrain efficiency is still a problem for Hyundai.
All this tech and aero 'stuff' and its '02.04 kwh??!!!! My 2019 Niro BEV routinely gets circa 4.?? at highway speeds. The Ford Lightning has the SAME kwh rating.
Great car, but pointless test. Every single one of these charges will charge every different car at different speeds based on a dozen different variables.
Is it? The base Model 3 RWD with way slower charging got 106 miles in this test, only 11 less, because it mostly made up for the slower charging with much better efficiency. The Model 3 Long Range, which has much faster charging than the base model, would likely beat this result. The Ioniq 6 does beat Model 3 in charging speed, but the AWD versions seem to be less efficient than Model 3, negating the charging advantage. I think the RWD Ioniq 6 with 18” wheels is the only one that actually beats Model 3 efficiency. Would love to see that one in this test. Might set a new record for the test.
@@GraysonCarr The build quality is much better in the Ionic, in fact anything would be better than a Tesla. The panel gaps and filmsy material in a Tesla are just horrible. The Ionic is a much better place to be inside
@@rammanohar8161 Not what Kyle and Coleton said in the Out of Spec Detailing review of Ioniq 6. They said it was put together better than Tesla in terms of exterior panel gaps, but the interior materials were much cheaper feeling and worse quality than Tesla.
I would say, but there are versions of Tesla that can do better. But, the same is true of Ioniq 6, maybe even more so. Still, for this to outcompete the Model 3, two things would have to happen. 1) They'd have to make about 20x as many as they make now. 2) Hyundai will have to either build a charging network as good as Tesla's, or ensure full speed charging at Tesla chargers. Then, they would still need some exceptional marketing.
So you pay $30 to get 45 kw and that’s about 120 miles of travel? A Honda civic goes 120 miles in 4 gallons of gas bro. $14. Literally half the cost to stick with gas. 😂
I think Ryan is one of the better presenters for test result videos. I like that he leaves the data on the screen so we can pause it and compare vehicles. Three suggestions for the future.
1 - Keep in mind TH-cam video end cards block the screen in the last 20 seconds, so data is not visible to view.
2 - Roll over all the vehicles on the graph, so the viewer can compare test numbers from all the previous vehicles.
3 - Would like to see another field showing the miles/kWh achieved over the test, added to the mouse roll over data window.
Keep up the GREAT job Ryan.
Love this car. Love this test. Please remember to put the data in the spreadsheet.
Results for the fat e-tron is missing too.
I see you added the data now. Thank you.
These DCFC charging costs are out of control already. For $30, he went 117 miles. In a comparable Hyundai Sonota getting 35mpg on the highway and at the current gas prices of approx $3.50 per gallon, you could go 300 miles for $30.
Keep in mind, Im not attacking EV's. I drive a Chevy Bolt and save a very large sum of money by charging at home. But if I still had my old job which required lots of highway driving and would have required charging on the road, I would be losing money by driving an EV and therefore couldnt have made the switch. If we hope to get more people to adopt EV's, this needs to be addressed.
That's a good point, though a tough nut to crack. Electrical services for commercial loads (> 50-100kW, depends where you are) have a charge to the bill of $/kW for how high the charge rate is in addition to the $/kWh. And that could get more complicated by time of day billing (peak, off-peak, overnight). The EVGo charging network for example has different kWh pricing depending on time of day. For gasoline and natural gas you only pay flat rate per the volume of what you bought.
If you’re driving a lot for work, couldn’t you claim the $0.60/mile (or whatever it is the IRS allows)? That’s if you’re in the US anyway.
Yup, you are pretty much right in the money when it comes to DC charging. I think only good thing about EV is that you can find free charger (Volta and some ChargePoint) that you cannot get in IVE cars
Shows just how important charging performance is for this test!
E-GMP cars just light it up with their charging speeds! I think if HI5/6 and Kia EV6 had 85kWh usable, they'd be road trip champs. Too bad software sucks and they're so far away from Supercharger compatibility.
i am curious what you need the software to do... like i do wish the "find a fast charger" function was better but the software is good outside of that. i've done one 1000 mile road trip and one 2000 mile roadtrip plus 12.5k miles total on my ionic 6. the software hasn't been an issue. if anything, the smart cruise control & points of interest + showing upcoming rest stops made driving a breeze.
@@dakotapahel-short3192 Have you spent time in a Tesla?
@@brandenflasch no desire to. i hate the lack of physical buttons & interior design. the Hyundai's were designed by people who like people. the tesla's were designed by people who like smart phones.
@@dakotapahel-short3192 then you wouldn’t understand what is missing from the software
I appreciate the data capture and analysis that Ryan is putting into these. That has been a missing ingredient from this channel in recent years. Keep it up!
So glad there are other big brands putting in real effort into EVs, more please and thank you!!!;)
I like that you do these tests at 80 mph.
That's pretty much the speeds. We drive out in central Kansas down the interstate.
Just means you are way over driving your skills.
I really like this test because it's basically worst case scenario for me. It is pretty difficult to maintain 80 miles per hour on the interstates near me, and I think that is true of most states in the Eastern part of the US.
Awsome result. Just as expected for this model :-) Thanks for doing this test.
Ioniq 6 with small wheels and access to supercharger network is finally something to compete with model 3
We need V4 superchargers for any of the 800v cars to get full benefits from an open SC network.
18" yes, 20" no.
Ryan, you're doing a great job. Thanks!
Our of Spec great job landing Tobey Maguire
I absolutely love these tests. I hope you can test every single EV plus all their variants out there. I agree that this test is one of the best representations of what it is like to road trip with an EV. Keep up the good work!!!
Would love to see how the RWD 18" I6 combo does in this same test.
Imagine if it was RWD with the SE wheels! Rated for 360 miles!
@@mustangsofsouthflorida1655 you got over 5miles per kwh real world efficiency at 70mph?
That is the combo I would want to see tested. Hopefully they can get on and do this same test.
@@mustangsofsouthflorida1655 @Longsnowsm I have a LR SE RWD and have been keeping meticulous records of my efficiency from charge to charge. Since I purchased it at the end of July, I have driven it over 8,000 miles. Over the course of 37 charging sessions, 16 of those have yielded a range of 400+ calculated miles. My lowest efficiency is 4.3 mi/kwh and my highest efficiency is 5.6 mi/kwh.
I have noticed that the car will charge at incredibly fast speeds if the car is at a low state of charge and the battery is at a good temperature. I've seen peak rates from the charger at about 240kwh. Yesterday, I did a charge on an EA 350kwh Signet from 18-90% and it took 25 minutes. I do not think that was my fastest charge, but it is among the top 5 fastest charges with this car on a DCFC.
but 2.8mkwh is dreadful.......
@@NickLiang for a late 2023 ev it is the rivian dual motor lr with 21s can see that at hwy speeds, in proper perspective it's still over 90 miles per gallon in fuel burning equivelant. 😀👍🏻
800V for the win! 😊
Suuuuuuuch good data! I love that you guys push this stuff and make it common knowledge. Really helps to move the industry forward and focus on the things that matter.
Seems like a perfect opportunity to do another video in eco mode as a general E-GMP comparison video in the 2 modes. I would be particularly interested since they have the huge variance between the awd and rwd epa rated ranges which doesn’t really make sense if the front motor disconnects frequently.
I would rather they get the long range RWD with the smaller wheels if possible. But overall agree with you.
@@tomm5936 i would too but they have this one and already did the standard mode run. And they only have to drive like 100 miles.
I have this exact car (in black) In my short time owning it. It's not a significant difference between eco mode and normal on the highway, especially using the cruise control.
love this series. Great experiment
4:20 Thanks for the test. Just one thing to note. Wind and elevation changes will always have a net negative impact on range and efficiency. A to B to A round trips will mitigate a majority of those losses, though, so it's about the best we can hope for in the real world.
Keep in mind they do this test at 80 mph which tanks mi/kWh. At 65-70 you'd be closer to 3.8
Agree. He did 2.8 miles per kWh in this video and 3.7 in the 70mph test. It’s a stunning difference of almost 30%.
I get 4.5 in my Kona at 65mph, we we're led to believe this was an efficient car because of its aero performance. Not convinced by this at all.
@@Lewis_Standing the 2wd model with the small wheels is much more efficient than this. You can't really compare it to a Kona, different type of car
@@JamesRussoMillas you can if you own a Kona and want to drive a very efficient car, have heard about it's efficiency credentials but they aren't necessarily adding up given its weight.
I've actually gotten 55.9kWh on my ioniq 5 at that very charger. So the battery temp may have affected your charge speed, you could have gone 28 more miles!
I was waiting for this, but was hoping you had an AWD version with the 18 inch wheels for comparison.
I like appreciate your review format - short and to the point. Didn't unnecessarily waste my time. Thanks!
Hyundai Genesis are road tripping machines if the chargers work. I have had a Genesis G80 from work for three weeks and it gets 3.7-4.1 mi/kwh and its not even an eGMP car. EPA is 280 but it would easily do over 300 miles. You can still get 70kw at over 80%, which is crazy.
I wonder if the front motor decouples when using cruise control, regardless of the mode you’re in. If it doesn’t do this, it should.
Yes it does, as long as you take it out of I-pedal.
The transition is completely seamless.
The range in my car is better than expected.
‘21 M3 SR+, over 38K miles, with a lifetime average of 237 Wh/mi, and 4.22 mi/kWh. In the past 12 months, with 80% charging at home, 20% SC (all charging in California), I have paid $737.00 USD total cost for all charging, for approx 15,000 mile driving.
This got better efficiency at 80 mph than that crappy Lexus can at 70 mph?! And nearly the same range in 15 minutes of charge as that boring Lexus gets with a full charge?!
Toyota - cancel your car. It’s a waste of material.
A really great result, I was really hoping for more driving time after 15 minutes. It's supposed to get to 80% in 18 minutes, which I was hoping would be well over 2 hours of driving, but this looks like stopping every 1.5 hours for near 20 minutes.
My cruising speed is closer to 75mph though, so maybe it would be significantly better at the lower speed.
I find I usually need a break from driving every 90 minutes or so too
@@briansmithwins My ideal would be 3 hours of driving in 15 minutes of charging. I can almost always go 3 hours per leg of a trip, but I guess it depends on how much tea I drink on the way :)
He got 2.8 miles per kWh 11:55 compare this to the 70 mph test where he got 3.7 miles per kWh. That’s almost 30% difference! Speed really kills range. I know they have the a/c on here and not in the 70 mph test but still…
@@tomm5936 nice, thanks for that info. 75 should be closer to 70 than 80 considering the exponentially increasing energy usage with speed... maybe I should go test drive a 6 and see how it does with me driving it. I do wish you could get the smaller wheels on the upper trims.
@@Snerdles you’re welcome. If I had to get a new car now it would be at the top of my list. Good luck.
EV GO sucks, $.63/kWh is a rip off. EA with pass+ is about half that much. Good video Ryan!
EVGo is cheaper at certain times of day. $0.63 is expensive, but that’s only during peak times.
How is it that Tesla is half the price? At those prices this doesn’t make sense to go with an EV.
@@mgarcia8878 most people charge at home which is MUCH cheaper. They only use DC fast chargers on long trips. If you rely solely on DCFC, your fuel cost will be similar to gas in most parts of the USA. Overseas is a different story.
The Ioniq 6 is pretty good for first gen EV. Getting strong Tobey Maguire vibes from this reviewer
The Ioniq6 SE RWD would do atleast 20% better
Weird that the charging speed dropped so early, I think something was wrong. Mine will hold peak speeds 238 KW until 58-60%
The cabin AC while charging could lead to that drop, because the battery got too warm.
"Most people are not going to roll in with 1 mile of range"
Yeah, most people... I totally don't do this on a weekly basis.... not me...
In my defense, I've never once actually gotten stuck and needed a tow! I've just gotten close more times than I can count! MY LUCK WILL NEVER RUN OUT
Really liking the Ioniq 6
Very interesting and imho great testing methodology! The only thing I'd love to see in the diagram as well is the efficiency, to be able to see who benefits a lot from either fast charging and great efficiency. Thanks!
I know you drove 80mph but I drove 68mph in my Niro,and so did the Rivian behind me, prob for the same reason - no DC charger for miles😅 and we were going to end with 20 miles of range left to our destination.
29$ for 202 miles my ioniq hybird blue 2022 55$ full tank for 600+ miles
Not even close to the same size cars or their wheels 👀🤔 but it would interesting to see the ioniq 6 rwd on smaller wheels doing this type of test 🤔🤔🤔
This is fine if you can find a 800V EA or Ionity charger that is working while on your road trip. $0.63 per kWh is pretty expensive too.
I have a Hyundai Ioniq 5 RWD and twice, I've gotten 150 miles on 50% of the battery going 75 mph. I was drafting behind semis, though.
Mirror mirror on the wall, I still love my Taycan best of all 😂
Probably can just make a video of the test procedures and then reference it so don't need to say it every time. These videos are gold though! Thanks!
I'd be really curious to see the polestar 2 in this test, I don't believe you guys have done that one
Please do the Ioniq 5 as well. Would love to see the data to compare these siblings
Need to have the ioniq 5 on there. Big non-luxury sedans are a dead segment
Miss conception about 20" Wheels, if you would spec them with 235 rubbers it would have not much of an impact on energy consumption.
Also preconditioning only save time not energy. And after fast charging it drains 2-3 kWh for cooling...so net usable energy is limited this way.
In ECO it does not disengage the Clutch, due to max regen capacity.
cool car
Wish it looked more like the Prophecy Concept. A fast DCFC keeps a car in the road tripping game.
I hope you will be able to test the two-wheel drive with the large (74 kWh usable) battery - it is surprisingly more efficient at 149 Wh/km (compared to 168 Wh/km for the AWD model with the same size battery). I believe both models should provide the same charging experience.
Well ... for scientific reasons it maybe interesting. But as a buyers advice, just add 10% to the result and you have the number the RWD with small wheels is capable of.
In real life 10% difference in efficiency isn't much of a muchness. It is the difference between waiting 20 or 23minutes at the charger.
But the AWD is far more capable on the street. The RWD is quite slow. Hyundai needs to step up their game when it comes to the rear drive unit.
The new VW MEB rear drive unit (APP550) premiered in the ID.7 is showing that you can increase torque by 80% and power by 40% and nevertheless bring up efficiency by 20%.
The ID.7 RWD accelerates as fast to 60 as the Ioniq 6 AWD ... and this while being as efficient as the Ioniq 6 and being a bigger car.
I dream of winning the Lottery, getting an IONIQ 6, and doing a Cannonball Run C2C2C single-handed (including sleep).
nice,, i think that orange batt symbol means the 12 v is not getting charged once you hit 20% on the drive batt
A very interesting test, though 10% is different on each car, depending on the battery size.
Can we talk about the costs?
$29 for 45kWh is CRAZY. $0.64/kWh!?
Assuming $3/gal gas (right now Colorado is even lower, about 2.65)
Getting 2.8kWh costs as much as an ICE car getting UNDER 14MPG.
Even at 3.7 kWh from the 70mph test, that costs as much as an ICE car getting under 18MPG.
That’s crazy. I get that DC charging will be more but that’s out of hand.
May I suggest you point the battery percentage on the short shot of it, especially when it is small and in the lower corner.
Running this test in normal mode is not really a problem. When using cruise control, the behavior is the same as in ECO mode, the front axle is disconnected. Event in Sport mode, the front axle is always disconnected when cruise control is activated. In cruise mode, the standard behavior of the drive mode is resume only when the accelerator pedal is pressed. At least it's this for the EV6.
I wish you would have brought up the stats for the M3 RWD.
Please do a 10% challenge with the Rivian R1T
I have the ev6 rwd and it charged 24 to 74 percent in 12.5 minutes and sustained 5-8 percent higher average charging rates. Curious why this battery didn’t take the full 230.
ECO mode uses less battery by limiting the power of the air conditioner, so results would have been better in ECO mode, just from that alone.
These tests should really be 70 miles per hour. Most major highways here in Canada, going 130km is a ticket and demerit points on insurance record. Our highways max out at 110km an hour, which is around 70miles per hour.
you'll go 20-25% farther at 70 mph compared to 80 mph. but it makes for 40% longer times to run the test and comparatively it is pretty similar. In my neck of Canada our highway speed limits are 90 kmh so range is way higher (which is probably sa good thing since we have almost no DCFC around).
Ryan, I noticed in the graph at the end you have the ID.4 Pro S AWD listed at 84 miles. Is that video not posted yet? I don’t remember seeing that one pop up last month when you did the 70 mph range test.
I see a link to it in the last column of the Google docs spread sheet.
That’s the small battery ID.4
The graph that Ryan showed has a big battery ID.4 AWD Pro S
@@KyleBrightman My bad, sorry I was of no help.
Redo test in eco. So we can see how much it affects the test.
Ryan, you bought 46kW for about $29 and paid a whopping $0.63/kW. Doesn’t that appear high? To only get only 117 miles and spend $29 for juice seems more expensive than driving an ICE vehicle. What’s going on with charger pricing in your area?
Great video thank you! How would this stack up against the Tesla 3 Long Range? I’m considering buying that car with enhanced autopilot but I’m also seriously considering the Ioniq 6. Kyle did a video with a green Ioniq 6 a few months ago where he said the model 3 long range (AWD) was still considerably superior overall. How do you feel about that now?
The graph at the end indicates that this AWD vehicle outperforms the Tesla 3 RWD LFP.
@@mrmistmonster thanks i knew that. I’m curious about Ioniq 6 AWD vs Tesla 3 AWD (long range) as they are the closest direct competitors
I feel like the handshake time should be included in the 15 minutes. You really give a pass to cars with longer or unreliable handshakes. I know it's too late to go back and wouldn't impact the results much because cars are already tapering after 14 minutes of charging. Just would be a better test imo.
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I would need to travel almost 100 miles to get to a highway with a 80 mph speed limit.
Even though it wasn’t specifically mentioned, thank you for showing that charging station screen….So $29.07 gets you 117 miles? I’m all for EV’s and will be getting one myself soon, but clearly one pays dearly in a road trip scenario vs at home charging. If gas was $3.50 a gallon and an ICE vehicle got 30 miles to the gallon, then that ICE vehicle could have gone about 249 miles for the same amount of money.
your irises are really open
Is there a 10% challenge for the ioniq 5?
Still concerned about issues with level 2 charging
I would say not to leave the car on and AC running. If I’m on a road trip I would not sit in the car during charging. I’m using the bathroom and stretching my legs. It’s not healthy to stay sitting for long periods of time
So they charge about 58 cents a kWh? That kind of sucks.
Oh snap I didn’t even see the tax. Holy crap why would anyone ever charge at this station? This alone would scare me from getting an EV that isn’t a Tesla, unless I never plan on charging away from home.
I find the charging quite slow in that session, actually. The 150 kW, in my experience, had been seen up until 80%.
With better conditions and with the 2WD version, I’m sure it would beat the Taycan.
On the other hand, again from experience, the fact that you forgot to put it in ECO should not have changed very much. The front drive train is, as you said, powered only on heavy load (power and regen).
Great now if only there was some where to charge it reliably…
Running the car with ac while charging didn’t make that much of a difference for me in mine.
Too bad it doesn't charge correctly on level 2 home charging, it takes 15-20 hours to charge at home since the Ioniq line still has charge port overheating issues, throttling charge current. Don't believe me? Google is your friend.
The problem with this EV is charging. Unreliable CCS, or a voltage mismatch with Tesla SCs, causing low charging speed. Otherwise, a great car.
Please blame your infrastructure and the marketing only Tesla performance, not the Ioniq.
@@svengaefgen5909 I said it was a great car, didn't I? If this car is to sell well in the US they need to match the voltage to Tesla Supercharging, otherwise charging it on a road trip will be problematic. At least they're getting off the clunky old CCS charging plug.
EV = WARRANTY. LONGEST WARRANTY TAKES THE MONEY.
Sorry but the efficiency was not impressive at all for a vehicle compromised for aerodynamics, clearly the drivetrain efficiency is still a problem for Hyundai.
With all due respect, 2.8m/kwh is not a great number.
Wow, super fast charging, but horrible efficiency for a car shaped for aerodynamic.
All this tech and aero 'stuff' and its '02.04 kwh??!!!! My 2019 Niro BEV routinely gets circa 4.?? at highway speeds. The Ford Lightning has the SAME kwh rating.
2.8m/kwh is dreadful.........
Great car, but pointless test. Every single one of these charges will charge every different car at different speeds based on a dozen different variables.
This is better than Tesla
Is it? The base Model 3 RWD with way slower charging got 106 miles in this test, only 11 less, because it mostly made up for the slower charging with much better efficiency. The Model 3 Long Range, which has much faster charging than the base model, would likely beat this result. The Ioniq 6 does beat Model 3 in charging speed, but the AWD versions seem to be less efficient than Model 3, negating the charging advantage. I think the RWD Ioniq 6 with 18” wheels is the only one that actually beats Model 3 efficiency. Would love to see that one in this test. Might set a new record for the test.
@@GraysonCarr The build quality is much better in the Ionic, in fact anything would be better than a Tesla.
The panel gaps and filmsy material in a Tesla are just horrible.
The Ionic is a much better place to be inside
@@rammanohar8161 Not what Kyle and Coleton said in the Out of Spec Detailing review of Ioniq 6. They said it was put together better than Tesla in terms of exterior panel gaps, but the interior materials were much cheaper feeling and worse quality than Tesla.
I've seen only seen one Ioniq 6 but thousands upon thousands of Tesla Y's in my neighborhood...there reproducing like ants.
Rip tesla
lol the base model 3 destroys this Hyundai junk
there is always a place for stripped down econo boxen
@@chrisak49 their graph showed this car did 11 mi further than the Tesla doing the same test.
I would say, but there are versions of Tesla that can do better. But, the same is true of Ioniq 6, maybe even more so.
Still, for this to outcompete the Model 3, two things would have to happen.
1) They'd have to make about 20x as many as they make now.
2) Hyundai will have to either build a charging network as good as Tesla's, or ensure full speed charging at Tesla chargers.
Then, they would still need some exceptional marketing.
@@trullmann 11miles more for a Hyundai that costs $20k more AND can only maybe charge sometimes at an Electrify America charger.
So you pay $30 to get 45 kw and that’s about 120 miles of travel? A Honda civic goes 120 miles in 4 gallons of gas bro. $14. Literally half the cost to stick with gas. 😂
Ryan. Stop jigging your head around on camera.