@@marilynmitchell2712 Who said anything about forbidding it? It's a person's choice. It's also wrong to force someone to eat meat when they just don't want to, even if they're 'allowed' to. No one is forbidding any food. It's a personal choice and they don't have to eat it if they don't want to. Don't make them feel otherwise.
The vegan diet is a fasting diet. Your sacrificing the source of fats, proteins, and b vitamins essential for brain health and function. It is not biblical to fast everyday.
Gods intention for humans was the Garden of Eden. I will stick to that and live a beautiful cruelty free life as a Vegan with my husband and children as I have for over thirty years. It really isnt hard at all. And we are rewarded with good health and conscience. No excuses. Too easy.
But what about God allowing us to eat animals after Noah’s Ark? I agree with you to an extent. God gives us a choice though. Personally my health has dramatically improved above and beyond my wildest expectations since going vegan. I’m amazed.
@@christisking777 That was after the garden of Eden. We now live in fallen world. He knows humans sin. Eating animals was not his creation plan. That's what I'm saying. And I'm so glad you are rewarded with good health. See !
I have epilepsy. A vegan diet is quite dangerous for me. I could not get the essential fats, proteins and b vitamins for proper brain health and function. This is true for everyone, but I just have immediate and life risking consequences. The vegan diet is not biblical nor is it logical.
I'm a fairly conservative reformed Christian and I went began cause meat eggs and dairy stated causes serious health issues in my early 50's. I know thats the cause because when I switched to an exclusive "whole food plant based diet" all the sickness disappeared. So you can eat a vegan diet and be Christian. Remember, God created the world to eat a vegan diet in the garden and will return the world eventually to that status. But "Veganism" is like religion to those who don't know Jesus yet.
I've been vegan for 27 years since 1997 and I still am. For me it was/is about the animals, nothing spiritual. And if I'm honest, I never even liked the taste of meat growing up as a child. I don't attach any biblical meaning as to why I'm vegan. I know many Christians who eat animals and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ, so I do not judge them at all. In fact, I don't judge anyone based on their dietary choices. That's not biblical. What is troublesome lately for me are (ironically) the vegans. It was one thing when I was in the new age, nobody paid much attention to me being vegan. Now that I'm a born-again Christian (and conservative), I am getting attacked by vegans screaming that Jesus was a vegan (I know He wasn't), that He and I think they claim John the Baptist too were Essenes (I know this is also incorrect) and that if I'm not twisting/perverting Scripture, I'm part of the problem. Seriously. They even had a documentary (or rather mockumentary) blaspheming the crucifixion (claiming that Jesus died on the cross because he "freed" the animals). It's sad to see these well intentioned (but then again, the road to hell is paved with good intentions) but utterly angry and misinformed activists attacking not only those who eat animals, but other vegans too. I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but I now see much of veganism as a cult. And yes, whether vegan or not, we should be good stewards of all of God's creation, but do so in a way that is kind and charitable to our fellow humans.
Amen! I can really relate to everything you said. I also eat plant based as a Christian and as I had my faith as my foundation, I never got sucked into any of the spiritual side of things/ speciesism etc. It really is sad how the vegans try to twist scripture to fit their narrative and I’ve always seen how people can make veganism their whole identity and religion! It is very sad indeed and I’m sorry to hear about the backlash you have received. I totally understand if people feel the need to break away from being restricted in the diet, especially if they have a history in new age etc, but it’s nice to know there’s still Christians who eat a plant based diet out there. :)
Disagreeing with other vegans doesn't invalidate the stance of not harming animals. I hate it when people use not agreeing with others and an excuse not to care for animals.
@@lilychandler6627 what is wrong with the idea of speciesism ? That just means people don't rank animals lives as being less important because they are not cats or dogs or humans. This doesn't mean they are treated exactly the same but that they should all have the right to live free from harm just as humans should have. How is this that different as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I don't want to be killed in front of my family and so I am not going to pay someone else to kill animals when I don't have to be eating them to survive.
@@lillypilly6440 I’m sorry if I maybe didn’t quite word everything as clearly as I could have. Yes, I agree with you that the actual idea of treating all living things with pretty much the same amount of respect is totally a good, wonderful thing. I just meant how some vegans will see their own life as the same amount of worth as a non human animal. Which as a Christian, I can’t subscribe to that ideology. Which in turn, some may call me speciesist for that. So I just mentioned the term speciesism as an umbrella for what that can all mean in the vegan world. If I’m honest, it does sadden me when people feel the need to step away from the diet, because as you said, in this day and age there isn’t really a need to eat any animal products and cause unnecessary harm and killing of animals. But I also understand that so many things can be stumbling blocks for people. I have not lived the lives of Jac and Doreen and have not been caught in the deception of new age for years. Although I still believe most people in the west in the 21st century could thrive on a whole foods plant based diet and we could save so many animals and help our environment, it’s between them and God. And I have to respect that and give it to God. As they stated, in the Bible there are no laws for us today that prohibit us from eating certain foods. I think one of the most important things we can do as Christians is educate others about the atrocities of farming, and encourage people to at least start cutting down their animal product consumption and how we can be better guardians for animals and the planet God has made for us to live on. I do understand how painful it is that some people have to eat and use animals. And some have to do so survive especially in 3rd world countries, but I once again have to give it to God. All I can do is my own bit and help educate others, but I have to trust that God knows what he is doing while we are still in this fallen world. I know there will be a day when there is no more pain, suffering or death. I know you still may not agree and that is fine. But hopefully that helps explain where I’m coming from.
I am not new age and I am a vegan/vegetarian because it seams to help my COPD 🥰 also as a child I saw a chicken slaughtered and it walked around without a head. I was at a lot of animal by my relatives and by their screams I knew they were scared . I am NOT new age.
Def humans are not animals . Obvi. And not created for same purposes. But they do have feelings, emotions, brain, some . Knowledge of their people, love for their people, for other animals, they have habits, moods. If that doesn't make a soul...Not a human soul of course, but still an animals soul
@@tinknal6449 Vegans think destroying ecosystems and all the wildlife that lived there to grow their plants that aren't meant to grow there is compassionate and humane. What they don't see being killed they call humane and compassionate. That's the lack of logic when people are brainwashed.
30 years of vegan vegetarian here. I thought I was poisoned and I was right sever joint issues now I know it was oxalate poisoning. Arthoritic pain and my chest and heart pain as well as horrible hip pain. Sally k Norton talks about it. I’m vegetarian now and it’s much better with butter and eggs! Look into it if you have pain
Probably 15 years ago I started eating eggs every day for breakfast. Really like them. But, I was aware of studies decades ago that followed a group of doctors who regularly ate eggs. They had a higher all-cause mortality rate. I just blew that information off and enjoyed my eggs. Now I am aware of even more studies showing health problems with eggs. I've still got some in the frig, but I'm heading back to oatmeal for breakfast. I have no health conditions, but I think we need to take care of these bodies. Oxalate is an issue I heard about some years ago when an actor had kidney stones related to almonds he was eating. Again I blew it off. I ate 1.5 oz of almonds every day for a couple of decades, and for snacks. Love them. Recently I saw a case-study video about a woman who developed kidney problems eating cashews. The problem was oxalate crystals in her kidneys. I finally decided I needed to stop eating almonds. Just yesterday I learned about the high levels of oxalate in spinach, so I'm now aware of those, and also am now aware of low oxalate foods that are preferable. Most plant foods are low in oxalate with the exception of spinach, almonds, cashews and Brazil nuts. Everything we consume can cause problems: eggs, butter, oils, meat as well as some vegetables. If you want to optimize your health, some nutritional knowledge is important. Or you can just ignore all that and eat a wide variety of foods, not overdoing anything. Then you will likely be fine though maybe not optimal. But no one is going to live forever anyway.
@@slydog7131 I have the same issue. I was eating exclusively pasture-raised organic eggs and was developing heart problems and arthritis. I'm back to veganism and my symptoms almost immediately vanished.
@@gianniclaud My diet continues to evolve as I learn more. My breakfasts are much changed. I buy whole grain berries from my local grocer who carries them in bulk (wheat, oats, barley, farro, rice), mixing them at home in equal amounts in a bin. I use my small pressure cooker for 20 minutes but soaking overnight and then a normal quick cook also works. I add in some dried cranberries and blueberries and an ounce of unsalted chopped, mixed nuts (from the bulk bins) and add in some spices and balsamic vinegar. It's a delicious, hardy and healthy breakfast. My dinners have also changed. I have embraced a wide variety of foods, all plant based. But I eat whatever is served when dining with friends, which isn't too often.
It is about caring for others who are not your self which I thought was a Christian principal but it doesn't seem to apply beyond human beings or only to select animals that we think are cute and cuddly like dogs and cats.
This was a great conversation! I was vegetarian/ vegan/ raw/ fruitarian for almost 30 years. It was tough to leave the legalism I was in following this lifestyle, but thankfully the Lord showed me I was in bondage🙌🏽🙏🏽
Thank you. Many Christian’s are VERY concerned for the animals. The Bible does tell us to have mercy on them and care for them. I am also ex vegetarian, but very careful.
Thanks for this teaching Jac and Doreen. It was very informative. I've never been vegan but I can relate to the cruelty in the major meat animal producers. I've seen it firsthand in chickens. I had relatives who raised them for meat and eggs. They weren't cage-raised. They were raised in chicken houses that were so overcrowded that it was cruel. Many died before reaching the age that the big chicken processors would pick them up. I've seen many videos of how other animals are raised in pens without room to move. It's disgusting!
It is utterly amazing how complicated you both have made this issue. We became vegetarians 50 years ago because we simply could not afford meat. We quickly realized that we no longer even wanted meat, that we preferred vegetables and bean stews etc. Over the years our reasons for maintaining this diet have changed, that reason now being the difference between digestive tracks. The tracks of carnivores is short and straight to enable meat to pass through their system quickly and not rot. The tracks of plant eaters, cows and humans etc, is long and twisted, because there is no danger of anything rotting. Also the veg/vegan diet is healthier, requires less land and therefore feeds more people, and on and on. I am 76 now and look 50. I have no doctor and am rarely sick, so this way of eating is definitely for me. None of the complexity presented in this TH-cam.
I'm going to bet that you don't look 50. So many vegans I used to know believed they were aging at a slower rate and had a healthier glow than the 'carnists'. They were deluded, to everyone else they looked worn out and grey, myself included. All the power to you if you feel great and have no health issues. The reality is that the vegan lifestyle has robbed many people of vitality and they have the right to share their story.
@@amaranthx3627 It sounds like you are biased against vegans. I know plenty who look very young and much, much healthier than their meat-eating counterparts.
You are not educated on digestive systems. We do not have the digestive system of herbivores. First off, herbivores have a large alkaline stomach perfect for microbial fermentation of fiber. Humans (like other carniverous mammals) have acidic stomachs that cannot digest fiber but are excellent at breaking down meat for digestion. Herbivores also have a large hindgut which can further digest fiber. Humans have a small hindgut that digests fiber very poorly.
I have been vegan 19 years and love Jesus. This has to do with caring for animals. Compassion comes from God. To me, loving animals and knowing that they feel pain and suffer has nothing to do with new age..it has to do with caring for God's creatures. Please don't preach that veganism is New Age. All the vegans I know do it for the animals, not for a "higher vibe." There is no such thing as humane slaughter. To me this entire video really misses the mark.
I've been a Christian for many decades. My diet has varied widely over that time. Somehow, I have no chronic health problems. Lately I've been learning more about nutrition. I took a nutrition class in college which was very informative, and I've learned more over the years. Recently I've been exploring Dr. Greger's website and channel. I've become aware of many research paper about nutrition and certainly that is starting to affect my nutritional sources. I'm definitely trending more towards vegan eating. It is purely for health considerations: I think we do have some responsibility to take care of our bodies, not only in what we eat but also in our lifestyle. For me, that is as far as it goes: healthier food choices. I have been eating whole foods for almost 20 years now, so no change there, just a shift in which whole foods I choose. Being a vegan or vegetarian doesn't mean you are eating healthy. A diet of French fries and white bread is vegetarian, but not healthy. But, if veganism is causing someone to go astray spiritually, then that is a problem and needs to be corrected. Better to die and enter heaven as a carnivore than go to hell as a vegan.
I am not religious, i was brought up catholic but it never sticked with me.... As a former US army airborne infantryman who has been deployed into combat, who was also medically discharge because of PTSD and a lower back injury as i was a machine gunner.... Went through some dark personal times after that dealing with drugs, alcohol, depression, etc... I have been on a plant based diet for 11+ years and all i can say about it is that it has turned my life for the better. Humans can thrive on a plant based diet. All these talks i keep seeing of EX Vegans.... Sorry but it all sounds like weak minded people that lack empathy, who care more about what people think of them then to really understand what veganism is about.... it's not a diet so stop calling it a diet... it's not, it has nothing to do with the environment or your personal health...
I'm actually curious about how on earth you guys can advocate for killing animals. I'm not a vegan myself, but I also don't think that you can use the Bible to say that everyone should eat animals or god will be angry with them. That's what I'm assuming you're arguing for here. And I'm pretty interested to see what scriptures you can use to defend that point.
@ChristineLynnForTheWin I'm willing to bet I have far greater knowledge of scripture than you do. Vegans love to cherry pick the Bible and take it out of context. I believe the following are the last words in the bible concerning meat consumption: 1 Timothy 4 King James Version 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
@@tinknal6449he’s talking about the gnostics. He’s also not saying you have to eat meat. Monks don’t eat meat. We don’t eat meat during fasts and fast days. Also olive oil and alcohol. You have to get the right interpretation. Pick up the orthodox study bible. They have an app too for like 9 bucks. There’s a little icon in the corner you press for the footnotes/interpretation from the church fathers and saints. May you be blessed, and forgive me, a sinner.
This was a great conversation, thank you. A few months back I had Quorn chicken pieces and it made me very sick and my throat and face swelled a lot. I was lucky that I could still breathe. My face was covered with broken blood vessels which stayed over a week. I looked into it and it’s apparently a thing with Quorn and people have even died. Very scary!
I was wondering, how much/often do you think veganism/rawism is just effectively part of an eating disorder? I definitely was vegan as part of an ED as a teenager, as it meant I could have an excuse to refuse a lot of foods or to create restrictive rules around foods. I've known many other people with an ED who were vegan or vegetarian. These particular individuals will say their reason is 'for the animals ' when it's not.
Very interesting thought. I had an eating disorder for many, many years…including when I became a vegan. In my case, I can see some correlation. ♥️ Especially with control surrounding food.
I wouldn't say it's necessarily an eating disorder, but I could see how it could be a common thing for people with EDs to do since many people claim you will lose weight if you become vegan or vegetarian.
You can have an ED eating any kind of diet and it is about trauma and sometimes autism. ED's are often a social containgen and often effect girls and young women in various social groups.
I appreciated this conversation so much! I was a very long time vegetarian, then vegan (vegetarian 10 years, then vegan for over 20 years). I was very passionate about my beliefs, and wanting to stop animal cruelty. It was never a burden for me to not eat animal products, because I did it out of love. However, my health did suffer over the years, even though I was careful about trying to get all my necessary nutrients. I rationalized it and made excuses, not wanting to admit my diet was making me ill. It was actually becoming a believer in Christ in 2021 that for the very first time made me begin to question my veganism. Once I started studying the Bible, and understanding what Jesus taught and the way he and the disciples lived, I realized I was hurting myself with my diet unnecessarily! I also realized, and this was hard to admit, that veganism had become an identity and an idol for me. I never realized that before, until God showed me. It was hard to let that identity go, "I am vegan". But knowing my TRUE identity is in Christ, is what enabled me to let go of that false identity and idol. My very first animal product was 2 fried eggs! The next was organic goat yogurt. I thought I would cry, and possibly throw up from eating them, but interestingly I didn't. I trusted God completely, and I knew I was doing the right thing. My digestion was fine, no problems at all, and I didn't cry! It's now 3 years later, and I am feeling much better physically, and even emotionally and spiritually. I of course still care deeply about animals, and I buy my animal products as responsibly as I possibly can (availability, financially, etc). I thank God for saving me, and for teaching me my true identity in His Son, Jesus!
When you were vegan you were not eating a properly balanced diet. Or you had gut problems but this was not caused by the plant based diet. You do not need eggs and dairy to be healthy. I'm sorry by you are just kidding yourself for other reasons which I don't know. Please do not bring Jesus into this as an excuse. You are exploiting and harming animals no matter where you buy them. You are trying to soothe your conscience but saying all these things. If you truly cared about animals you would never use the products of their exploitation, suffering and murder.
When linked with occultism, veganism is certainly wrong. When done for the glory of God, plant based eating is a blessing to all who taste and see that the Lord is good.
@Doreen Virtue You led me to Christ from the new age, I was convicted by the holy spirit for following many Gods so I decided to follow Doreen and her Angle cards because Angels are Gods creation, after about 6 months your website changed and I remember a picture of Jesus was all that was available, You had converted to Christianity and went ahead of me I eventually accepted Jesus too. You influenced me thank you
I'm not New Age and the good Lord has kept me from stepping into that world. I've had friends try to get me to read The Secret, watch/read what they believed was Christian, but I just didn't feel right about it. I've stayed away. I've been vegan, I've been vegetarian, and I've been a carnivore. My body felt it's best when I ate raw vegan. In my humble opinion, God created us to not eat animals, but because of sin, he allowed it. Eating vegan doesn't mean you're New Age. Currently, I'm a carnivore, but once I get my brain mentally ready, I will be vegan again because that's how my body performs at its best. It has nothing to do with who I worship. Keep God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit at the forefront of everything you do, and that's all that matters!! God Bless everyone!
Thank you for this conversation. I don’t enjoy meat so much and so l listen some to the plant based/vegan folks because l enjoy the recipes,food tho l never have been vegan. What really was getting to me tho is how many of the people involved in this make it their religion and there’s so many new age things interwoven into this community in particular. It’s so important to be able to sort out the truth from the deception
I'm glad Doreen mentioned factory farmed and ethically raised meat. I do think it's important to note that a lot of people cannot afford to buy that. That is one of my reasons for eating a vegetarian diet. Perhaps we could afford to buy humanely slaughtered meat occasionally, but it wouldn't leave any money to tithe or give to the poor. Our budget is very tight even though we are debt free and live frugaly. People really need to think about this. I think having a healthy diet is important, but I've seen a lot of women become slaves to healthy, organic and "natural" living (this can happen to vegans or "carnivores") and put it above everything else. Eat the best diet you can, but don't become enslaved to it and put it above giving. Our bodies are temporary, giving to spread the gospel is eternal.
Adding that by enslaved I mean they are scared, worried, put their family in debt, don't tithe because they "can't afford it", etc. If not being able to afford organic food or natural fiber clothing is keeping you up at night fearing for your kids lives...you're enslaved. (And yes, I've seen this a LOT)
I am vegan and christian. The two go together. Sometimes I will make a slight exception for pudding ,I love pudding, and pudding looks vegan. I could even someday see vegans asking sheep for kind use of wool. I am not an idealogue but do believe that being vegan is is an actual truth that most people don't get. When you do get it the truth overwhelms you and wonder why you never saw it before. 4:174:174:17
In your opinion why does the Orthodox Christian Church, the only church that is faithful to tradition of firsts Christians, prescribe to both monks and lay people more then 250 days a year of fast meaning veganism?
Omg, I think I took some of those photos when you guys were doing the cube of truth (I was a photographer around 2017 - 2020). Mind you, I'm just now coming back to veganism after falling off for a while and still figuring out my relationship with food - but I also do find myself reintegrating with gnostic principles.
I don't often get to comment on Doreen 's YT, but I want to convey to her that I appreciate what she is doing for Jesus . She is helping me stay strong and loyal to our Saviour. Prayers to your ministry's lady's ✝️
Why the problem with Dr Greger and Dr Fuhrman? I don't consider my self a vegan, but I have been eating a plant-based diet for 7 years now. I don't think it's for everyone, but it's worked for me. 🤷
Please vote accordingly this November so RFK can clean up the food supply. Most of us CANNOT AFFORD organic, clean food. Im literally going hungry trying to avoid feeding myself and my child garbage chemical filled frankenfoods. Please people. This needs to be addressed.
Being delivered from the new age and few months later I started experiencing health issues so I started eating seafood and a lot of the pain went away.
I do have a question that Doreen touched on. The argument HAS been made that it would make sense why God gave animals for food after the flood, because, like Doreen said, their primary food source had become scarce beings all plant life had been destroyed. Is there some truth to that, though? That's what SEEMS to make the most logical sense rather than starve.... What would your all's thoughts be on that? Because, I've heard it said that while God's original design was for us to eat from the seed-bearing plants, animals were given later due to the circumstances changing... but that initially, God's design was for our diet to be as He intended in Genesis 1:29... Is that true?
My husband was born and raised in the 7th Day Adventist church (a cult!) and part of their religion was being vegetarian. We even tried being vegan for awhile. None of my family was happy AND - come to find out, my oldest daughter is allergic to soy (which is in everything - even shampoo!) Being on this diet has resulted long term health problems for her even to today
I’m someone who has been on the other side of the fence when it comes to veganism and I have wanted to tell you this that much of the reason why we have a lot of problems with the factory farms is because of the corruption within our government especially within the bureaucracy that has destroyed much of the family farms that used to raise livestock and replaced them with the factory farms throughout the countries and if you look at what is happening now in the Netherlands you can see how it has happened. The sad thing is that if you care about this issue it’s not enough to take care about how you spend your money as you also have to be careful with who you vote for.
I eat meat and I like all dairy foods except milk. Instead of drinking milk, I really like Almond Milk. It's a great milk substitute ,drinking it , cooking with it. What do you think of Almond Milk?
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Yes I have started to make my own ( I am not vegan or vegetarian lol) I do one cup almonds In a blender with 4 cups of water more or less sometimes some vanilla powder or a date then I put it in a nut milk bag which is great to make it nice and then you strain it ! I soaked the almonds overnight too before @@JacMarinoChen
I gained 30 kg, when I thought I would lose weight as a vegan. I knew many vegans who had the same experience as me. Depending on what you were eating beforehand, it can be beneficial for short term (particularly for eliminating foods that may be causing you inflammation etc), but it's not worth it long term.
I just read that Deuteronomy chapter tonight that Doreen referred to tonight before finding this interview! I saw Doreen in 1999 and took her courses and even worked on her staff in 2021. It is amazing to be on this path ( the narrow one) now at the same time. 🙏💕
I was also raw vegan in the new age. I think something many don't realize is that the level of radiation we are now exposed to thru 5G helps to demolish red blood cells in addition to a whole other host of issues as the human body wasn't meant to withstand such high levels of radiation. I've had to start including red meat and all kinds of high iron foods due to becoming anemic from radiation exposure. Also the clay of earth from which we are made has high iron content. Making it stand to reason that many of us do best with high iron content in our diets. I also only consume organic, free range, grass fed meats.
Radiation from 5G doesn't cause anaemia. Organic food isn't any better than normal. I agree with you that foods high in nutrients are great though, and meat is really good for you if you're prone to anaemia.
I've heard a doctor say that growing your own root vegetables, and not completely cleaning off the dirt is good for you, so long as you don't use pesticides. Eating a little bit of dirt is good for you in multiple ways, to include immune support.
Not wanting to hurt and harm animals doesn't have to be a new age thing and there are Christians who are vegan . I know Christians who are vegan. It is as simple as caring about animals and not seeing a difference between a dog and a cow.
@@GraceThroughFaith222 I mean that factually, it's not a thing, for anyone, including you. Any symptoms you have are caused by something else, not 5G radiation (which is too small to do anything.) You need to work with a reputable mainstream doctor to check what's going on and to treat your symptoms. If something doesn't work, keep going back until they find something that works. God bless
Great conversation, thanks Ladies! I've been mostly vegetarian for 40 plus years, mostly because i don't like the taste or texture of meat. I became vegan for 2 years, found it easy and loved the food, but felt that 2 years was enough so now eat eggs and some cheeses again. We are all created differently and our bodies have individual needs to thrive, some need meat, others don't, etc...
I try to eat WFPB, and I do it *because of* the bible, I also eat clean (i.e. follow the dietary rules as per Leviticus) which is also the case with practicing jews. It is a fallacy that believers are carnivours. Those in the Seventh Day Adventist Church are one of many examples of believers who mind what they eat *because of* the bible.
I really appreciate you guys making this video. Although I was never in the new age and didn’t get caught up with all the things veganism can mean in that world, it’s so important you’re spreading awareness! I’ve been on a plant based diet for about 8 yrs now and on the whole, it seems to be working well for me and I’m passionate about preventing harm to animals and our planet. But you raised some great points about how we can’t make anything our idol. I’ve seen how so many people make a religion out of it! Bless you guys ❤
How does being a vegan prevent harm to animals and the planet? Ecosystems are destroyed and all the wildlife that lives in it are killed so your avocado trees can grow where it is not meant to grow. Not to mention water is diverted from other places to water the avocado trees that aren't meant to grow there. So how are you preventing harm again?
Dear Doreen & Jac, Jesus also taught the Parable of the Prodigal Son which involved feeding pigs (presumably for human food) and slaying a fatted calf.
I don't trust BG either. I will continue to be a vegetarian (I still need to eat honey from time to time) and really appreciate this conversation, Ladies. I love you both and Jenn too! 💗
I noticed a lot of counterintuitive ai trying to create problems by suggesting the opposite of what we search up or go to. If we go to the butchery suddenly we see vegan posts.
What about the kind of meat that has still blood in it, according to Acts 15:29: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
You know that leather is a byproduct and that no animals are killed for leather right? What makes you think that the leather from ethically sourced meat isn't available?
God bless you my sistas, since becoming a Christian I have so much love and care for animals they're so precious, I pray for them every day, you guys have a great day, Sold out for Jesus
Jac - do you have further information on why we’re being inundated with the “plant-based” diet that’s flooding the marketplace? Thank you for this video! ❤
The Seventh Day Adventists are famous for their vegetarian/vegan dietary restrictions. It turns out, there are all types of Seventh Day Adventists from strict vegans to vegetarians to lacto-ovo-vegetarians to pescatarians to semi-vegetarians to omnivores. This neat categorization plus excellent record keeping lent itself well to several famous health studies which examined health outcomes depending on the different categorizations. As you moved from the omnivore category towards the strict vegan category, health outcomes like cardiovascular disease and diabetes went down. There was a clear correlation between worse health outcomes and eating more meat and dairy products. I think we all owe the Seventh Day Adventists (90,000 participated) gratitude for their willingness to participate in these studies.
I am a vegan Seventh-Day Adventist...for health reasons, to take care of my "body temple". I am glad I made this change 15 years ago. I have gotten off of many medications! I am 73, and still sing in Church, praise God!
Lies. Over 50% of Adventists eat meat and only 8% of Adventists are vegan. Adventists health is do to a vegetarian and low meat diet. Vegans are unhealthy. Vegetarians are not vegans.
And theyre still the people who lied about got the food pyramid into our nutrition stuff. It's wild how wrong it is. Nobody should be eating 60-75% carb based diet.
about veal, I heard the male calves are killed if there is no use for them. someone said there are new regulations on some veal that give them more space and it at least the calves would live for a few months instead of one day. thoughts? God bless you ladies
Doreen I have some of your old cards and I will burn them, I am going to clean my home of all these esoteric, mystical and divination, psychic items. Nice to see you again teaching now about christian living. This has been coming to me for about the last three months. I at first didn't understand why you were renouncing your spiritual life, I get it now. :)
If i choose not to eat animals, how does that make me sinful? Ive been vegan 10 years. I understand God allows us to eat meat, but i thought i was allowed not eat meat if i choose.
I am ex vegan when I got married. I made a commitment to start eating meat and I remember how hard it was to eat meat. Little by little I started now I eat once in a while meat but my diet has more plant based then meat but I felt stronghold breaking! It wasn’t easy but Jesus Christ help me.
I align with many Christian principles. I feel Christ's esoteric teachings are a guide. I prefer learning of Christ through Rudolf Steiner's teachings. The Path of the Rose Cross (Rosicrucian) has truly influenced my life. Jesus taught humanity not only how to live but also how to ascend. The Bible is important, but don't you think it could have been co-opted by the "powers that should not be" of the early years? As a vegan of 15 years, I used to push veganism onto others. Through my esoteric studies (and my alignment with Christ), I realize that it is immoral to influence /restrict the Free Will choices of any human. All humans possess Free Will, which must always be respected. With that said, I feel certain "powers that should not be" may have added words to the Bible to keep Humanity from ascending. A diet of raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds is all humans need. Many feel ill when nourishing themselves this way, but as the toxins are released (beautifully depicted in the Essene Gospel of Peace), vital energy within the body is released. This energy helps one focus, maintain equanimity, and see the positive more easily in the world. There is a middle path.
Hi friend! The esoteric Christ does not exist and cannot save. I came out of this background and encourage you to watch this video I made a few months ago on the topic: th-cam.com/video/FBwqYRuIIw4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Lqlr7jElsnZbi9uG
@@JacMarinoChen Christ is NOT Esoteric; Christ is for all of humanity (all life). Christ did not hide anything, but certain humans did. Rudolf Steiner was a theosophist but left to develop Anthroposophy. I did watch the video. It did not seem to apply to what I wrote.
@@naturallawhealth9272 the Christ in esoteric teachings is not real and does not exist. Friend, Rosicrucianism and its teachings are opposed to God and the Gospel, and those teachings lead to hell. God is the creator of all things. His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. He is Holy, meaning He is set apart and perfect in every way. We have all rebelled against this holy and perfect God who has given us every good thing we have ever received. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The wages of sin (meaning the payment due for our sin) is death. Sin has separated us from God. Apart from Christ our deserved destiny is a very real place called hell with torment and weeping and gnashing of teeth. How do we, rebellious sinners, become reconciled with this perfect God? The free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. Jesus Christ, TRULY GOD and TRULY MAN, was born to a virgin, lived a perfect and sinless life that we could never live (and have not lived) and died on the cross, bearing our sins and God’s wrath for those who will believe in Him. He died on the cross, was buried, and rose on the 3rd day and is now seated at the right hand of God making intercession for those who believe in Him. He is the one and only mediator between God and man, and there is no other name given among men by which we must be saved. We are saved by having faith in Christ alone (not our own good works or anything else) to save us, and by turning from our sins (repentance) and to the true and living God. Jesus Christ, and made known in the Holy Scripture, is the Savior, and this Gospel is the only one that can saved. “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.” - Galatians 1:8 “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” - 2 Corinthians 11:14 To answer your question about the Bible, no I do not wonder. If you (or anyone else) are interested, the reliability of the Bible and its manuscripts is astounding. I encourage you to read this article or watch these series: www.wesleyhuff.com/can-i-trust-the-bible www.gotquestions.org/Bible-reliable.html#:~:text=Archaeologists%20have%20found%201800+%20manuscript,we%20know%20of%20ancient%20history.
Just wanted to point out that it's probably not a great idea to use the Hebrew word neh'-fesh as specifically meaning having a soul since it's used of animals also (Genesis 1:24,1:30 etc.) and more has the idea of living being, creature, etc.
@ChristineLynnForTheWin Right, my point is that we know mankind is special and distinct from the animals from the narrative (God created mankind in His image and gave them dominion over the animals) it's not the Hebrew word that shows us this distinction.
I had been doing a parasite cleanse with diatomaceous earth for about six weeks, and my scalp broke out into a rash, and it itches terribly. I stopped taking the DE a couple weeks ago but it’s not any better so I have to go to a dermatologist now. I am positive it’s from the DE!
I'm so sorry to hear that, Nancy! I'm not familiar with taking that, but was given a regimen from my doctor after traveling to Taiwan ♥ I pray that your scalp heals quickly and that you get helpful answers.
Scalp rash is indicative of a separation conflict you experienced especially an intellectual one. The rash is actually the healing phase of the resolution of that conflict.
@@TheSwissChaletI’m not trying to be rude, but this sounds like a very superstitious, new age belief. I’ll be praying for you to let go of those kind of thoughts. 🙏🏻😊
To recommend eating animals but then to be against factory farms is a complete contradiction. Most of the population that hears these "ex vegans" only has access to regular food at grocery stores and restaurants. We get it, you go from one opposite side of the spectrums to the other- and then trash it all on your way to the next thing. No offence but how can people really be that into what you're preaching when you just jump all over the place and try to convince people that you've found the way this time? LOL how do you even know? I choose to trust the people who are consistent in life. And humble.
Yes, their ignorance and hypocrisy is sad and troubling. Veganism is not about being perfect, but making the best most merciful choices that we can. May the Lord have mercy on these lost souls and lead them to repentance and salvation.
@ChristineLynnForTheWin Quoting actual scripture is not "twisting it", cherry picking scripture is though. This passage makes it clear how you corrupt the Bible. Romans 14 King James Version 14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
My step grandpa was part owner of a dairy farm growing up. I have fond memories of visiting the farm, but everything you say about the dairy industry is true. I watched a few cow births and they would separate the mother and babies after a few hours. It always made me sad. Buy grassfed dairy if you can!!
organised religion and eating meat are both a living expression of a 'hell' in my opinion. Veganism and growing food to eat is peace and paradise. Unfortunately much of the so called holy book is far from being God-given, I hope y'all come to realise in time to save this beautiful planet.
My humble opinion is that it comes down to a)stewardship of his beautiful and generous resource blessings and b) faith that He provides. Enough for today. Look at the birds of the air - they do not hoard and store for tomorrow and yet they are cared for. How much more would the Father not see to you, whom loved so much that he gave us the the Lamb.
I was vegetarian once mostly inspired to get healthy, clear my skin, and because I saw one of those documentaries about the animal cruelty that takes place. At the time, there weren't a lot of resources about how to get meat ethically either. I feel like there's a few months where I had some health relief since when I started I was careful in trying to eat enough protein, get iron, and other nutrients that vegetarians tend to be deficient in. Before that I wasn't trying to eat a balanced diet at all. But the commonly processed nature of the diet eventually caught up with me.
Question: Are you both at least still vegetarians? Since you both seem to at least agree on and aknowledgme the HORRENDOUS cruelty to animals at slaughter houses?
Thank you , sisters for this! Tip: if you live in a state with a large Amish population, they many time have butcher shops with local raised farm meats.
I have been trying to reach Doreen Virtue. I signed up at Facebook to message her, after being told by Facebook that I would have to wait 24 hours. That time has passed, and it also looks like there is no way to reach her at her website either, nor at her youtube channel. Before I waste any more time: is this just the way it is, Doreen?
This is in her about section on TH-cam as well as in every one of her video's descriptions (: Hope it helps "PLEASE NOTE: If you have questions for or about Doreen and her work, please send them as a direct message on instagram.com/DoreenVirtue, instead of through this TH-cam channel where messages are unmonitored."
The best foods are grown vegetables, fruits without dbt's that kill insects, and some meat, etc., as ethically done as possible. A Saint's body is your temple and give it the best sustenance possible while you live. Amen.
Doreen mentioned Pranic Healing as demonic. Can you please elaborate on it. I know in my heart that it is not of our Lord Jesus, but someone I know is so into it! I am so worried for this person!
Sorry, I don't see how being vegan and new age go together. I am a born again Christian for 43 years. Grew up on a veal farm. All the saturated fat in meat was making me sick with prediabetes in my early 40's. That pushed me to analyze my diet and lifestyle. So, I changed my diet for health reasons and followed the science (God is the God of all science). Now the prediabetes is under control after losing 40 lbs, the healthy way. Changing to a plant based diet was the best decision I made for my physical health. It is a great way to take care of our bodies, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. When a plant based diet is done correctly, you receive all the nutrients needed to live a strong, healthy life. It is so easy to do! I don't judge meat eaters, most of my family members are omnivores. To each its own. Being a Christian and plant based (some call it vegan, even though they are not the same) ... I have No cognitive dissonance, just sound body, mind and soul following Jesus' footsteps. Some people ask, if you reverted, or controlled the prediabetes, why do you stay 'vegan'? Simple, I stay 'vegan' for my continued health, the animals and our planet that God trusted us with. ❤
Loved watching this video, great information that I myself participate in with trying to eat clean and not to be strictly a diet type, everybody should listen to there body with what works for them to be balanced and healthy.
We just remember that there is just one verse saying we need to be kind to animals. But the biggest command is that we should love God and others. Yes, by all means, we should be kind to animals, but I personally will never spend time or money activating for animals. My time and resources are too limited. There are so many children and people needing help❤
There are essential vitamins that our brains and bodies need that are only found in meat. I used to live near commercial poultry farms, and I will not eat from the big poultry brands. Never heard, saw or smelled a bird. Birds are loud, smelly animals, but at a minimum, you should be able to see them. All you ever saw were the buildings they were kept in and the grain silos they were fed from. I grew up with chickens, and just can't bring myself to eat those poor birds.
B12, Taurine, Creatine, Heme iron (which is better absorbed by the body than non-heme iron found in plant based products) D3 just like the iron, it is better absorbed by the body when taken from animal products. Yes you can take supplements. Heck you can take supplements for almost everything, doesn't mean your body knows what to do with it and is able to properly absorb it. Evidence based research is, like a lot of research, inconclusive.
@@rawforlife_ Everyone should take B12, but especially vegans and vegetarians. Every other vitamin and amino acid is available in plant based lifestyle. There is no reason to eat meat unless you want to.
What does being a Christian have to do with being a vegan? I am born again Christian who is plant based. This is not Biblical what you guys are touting
I eat meat. I love animals but I eat meat. I have a degree in livestock management, but I don't think I could have handled the killing of animals myself.
Ex vegan here 👋 i was vegetarian/ vegan most of my life. Kind of switching between the two. Not for the normal convictions that most people make these choices. It started as a kid simply because when i ate meat my stomach hurt. Then about 2008 or 2010 a friend sent me a facebook challenge for a 14 day raw vegan diet. That lead me into some new age stuff. Though thankfully i didnt spriral too far. But far enough. A few years ago i realized i needed some animal based nutrition. So i started incorporating it slowly , with greek yogurt first. About a few months ago i started adding meat. As a perimenopausal woman i know i am lacking things i actually need.
So interesting (and sad) that veganism led you to new age beliefs, rather than new age beliefs leading you to veganism as it did for Doreen and myself. I’m glad you’re finding what works for your health, Brianne 🥰
@@JacMarinoChen unfortunately it wasn't my intro into new age stuff. I was raised with trickles of it all over. I was trying not to be long winded but should have clarified it was just different new age beliefs. I was a Christian at the time of the raw food challenge. But I wasnt raised a Christian and didn't have the strongest discernment yet. I was also in a very progressive church. So the raw food challenge introduced me to a new side of things. The portrayal of this super crunchy hippie lifestyle was so appealing to me. Everyone doing yoga looked so strong and healthy and centered. And I wanted that, and I felt like I was good at it. I was also told in middle school by my P.E teacher that I was a natural at it. And then the raw food thing lead me to kind of making my food choices idolatrous. I'm not good at explaining things the way you guys are. Thats one reason I'm so grateful for the podcast. Our experiences are different, yet you give a voice to those of us who have dealt with the deception. It felt like it had a hold of me and my thinking.
Eating a vegan diet doesn't mean you have to be into the new age at all. I know some Christian vegans as well as atheist and agnostics . It is just people who care about animals and don't want them to be harmed and can work together to help animals despite differences in their beliefs and ideologies. Most vegans are not new age at all and most new age people eat animals.
@@lillypilly6440 i wasnt suggesting the diet itself was new age. But the things I was becoming interested in were rooted in that. And I also started having this belief that somehow being grounded in the earth was making me more godly. Like I was more spiritual or something
In my 20s I was a vegan for about a day lol. I received a pamphlet that showed how farm animals are treated. I didn’t ever want to eat an animal if they were abused like that. I also misinterpreted a scripture that made me think God doesn’t want us to eat animals. So then I declared God doesn’t want us to eat animals, and I was going vegan. But then I started looking at the Bible for more information, and I quickly realized that we are not supposed to forbid eating meat. I realized Jesus ate meat. So I dropped the idea of veganism rather quickly. Fortunately, right at the same time, I discovered there are ethically raised animal products. So I started getting all my animal products from a health food store. Later on, I started getting raw milk from a micro farmer. The raw milk I buy today comes from a small farm where they allow the calves to stay with their mothers for a good while. We are fallen beings that live in a fallen world. It can take a bit of humility to realize we are dependent on others animals in order to be healthy. At least we, unlike predatory animals, can choose to be humane about it.
Christianity and veganism don't have to be mutually exclusive. There are many Christian vegans out there and there's really nothing wrong with that.
It is wrong to forbid meat.
@@marilynmitchell2712 Who said anything about forbidding it? It's a person's choice. It's also wrong to force someone to eat meat when they just don't want to, even if they're 'allowed' to. No one is forbidding any food. It's a personal choice and they don't have to eat it if they don't want to. Don't make them feel otherwise.
The vegan diet is a fasting diet. Your sacrificing the source of fats, proteins, and b vitamins essential for brain health and function. It is not biblical to fast everyday.
Amen. The garden of Eden was vegan!
I agree, the Bible tells us in Romans to eat what you want. It also tells us not to condemn others for their choices.
Gods intention for humans was the Garden of Eden. I will stick to that and live a beautiful cruelty free life as a Vegan with my husband and children as I have for over thirty years.
It really isnt hard at all. And we are rewarded with good health and conscience. No excuses. Too easy.
Spot on!
I agree with you!!
But what about God allowing us to eat animals after Noah’s Ark?
I agree with you to an extent. God gives us a choice though.
Personally my health has dramatically improved above and beyond my wildest expectations since going vegan. I’m amazed.
@@christisking777 That was after the garden of Eden. We now live in fallen world. He knows humans sin. Eating animals was not his creation plan. That's what I'm saying. And I'm so glad you are rewarded with good health. See !
I have epilepsy. A vegan diet is quite dangerous for me. I could not get the essential fats, proteins and b vitamins for proper brain health and function. This is true for everyone, but I just have immediate and life risking consequences. The vegan diet is not biblical nor is it logical.
I'm a fairly conservative reformed Christian and I went began cause meat eggs and dairy stated causes serious health issues in my early 50's. I know thats the cause because when I switched to an exclusive "whole food plant based diet" all the sickness disappeared. So you can eat a vegan diet and be Christian. Remember, God created the world to eat a vegan diet in the garden and will return the world eventually to that status.
But "Veganism" is like religion to those who don't know Jesus yet.
I've been vegan for 27 years since 1997 and I still am. For me it was/is about the animals, nothing spiritual. And if I'm honest, I never even liked the taste of meat growing up as a child. I don't attach any biblical meaning as to why I'm vegan. I know many Christians who eat animals and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ, so I do not judge them at all. In fact, I don't judge anyone based on their dietary choices. That's not biblical. What is troublesome lately for me are (ironically) the vegans. It was one thing when I was in the new age, nobody paid much attention to me being vegan. Now that I'm a born-again Christian (and conservative), I am getting attacked by vegans screaming that Jesus was a vegan (I know He wasn't), that He and I think they claim John the Baptist too were Essenes (I know this is also incorrect) and that if I'm not twisting/perverting Scripture, I'm part of the problem. Seriously. They even had a documentary (or rather mockumentary) blaspheming the crucifixion (claiming that Jesus died on the cross because he "freed" the animals). It's sad to see these well intentioned (but then again, the road to hell is paved with good intentions) but utterly angry and misinformed activists attacking not only those who eat animals, but other vegans too. I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but I now see much of veganism as a cult. And yes, whether vegan or not, we should be good stewards of all of God's creation, but do so in a way that is kind and charitable to our fellow humans.
Amen! I can really relate to everything you said. I also eat plant based as a Christian and as I had my faith as my foundation, I never got sucked into any of the spiritual side of things/ speciesism etc. It really is sad how the vegans try to twist scripture to fit their narrative and I’ve always seen how people can make veganism their whole identity and religion! It is very sad indeed and I’m sorry to hear about the backlash you have received. I totally understand if people feel the need to break away from being restricted in the diet, especially if they have a history in new age etc, but it’s nice to know there’s still Christians who eat a plant based diet out there. :)
Disagreeing with other vegans doesn't invalidate the stance of not harming animals. I hate it when people use not agreeing with others and an excuse not to care for animals.
@@lilychandler6627 what is wrong with the idea of speciesism ? That just means people don't rank animals lives as being less important because they are not cats or dogs or humans. This doesn't mean they are treated exactly the same but that they should all have the right to live free from harm just as humans should have. How is this that different as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I don't want to be killed in front of my family and so I am not going to pay someone else to kill animals when I don't have to be eating them to survive.
@@lillypilly6440 I’m sorry if I maybe didn’t quite word everything as clearly as I could have. Yes, I agree with you that the actual idea of treating all living things with pretty much the same amount of respect is totally a good, wonderful thing. I just meant how some vegans will see their own life as the same amount of worth as a non human animal. Which as a Christian, I can’t subscribe to that ideology. Which in turn, some may call me speciesist for that. So I just mentioned the term speciesism as an umbrella for what that can all mean in the vegan world.
If I’m honest, it does sadden me when people feel the need to step away from the diet, because as you said, in this day and age there isn’t really a need to eat any animal products and cause unnecessary harm and killing of animals. But I also understand that so many things can be stumbling blocks for people. I have not lived the lives of Jac and Doreen and have not been caught in the deception of new age for years. Although I still believe most people in the west in the 21st century could thrive on a whole foods plant based diet and we could save so many animals and help our environment, it’s between them and God. And I have to respect that and give it to God. As they stated, in the Bible there are no laws for us today that prohibit us from eating certain foods. I think one of the most important things we can do as Christians is educate others about the atrocities of farming, and encourage people to at least start cutting down their animal product consumption and how we can be better guardians for animals and the planet God has made for us to live on. I do understand how painful it is that some people have to eat and use animals. And some have to do so survive especially in 3rd world countries, but I once again have to give it to God. All I can do is my own bit and help educate others, but I have to trust that God knows what he is doing while we are still in this fallen world. I know there will be a day when there is no more pain, suffering or death. I know you still may not agree and that is fine. But hopefully that helps explain where I’m coming from.
@@lillywalsh777 than you!
I am not new age and I am a vegan/vegetarian because it seams to help my COPD 🥰 also as a child I saw a chicken slaughtered and it walked around without a head. I was at a lot of animal by my relatives and by their screams I knew they were scared . I am NOT new age.
well said!!!
Yes it’s not correct to lump eating vegan as being also new age
@@proudrosemom Exactly!!
I recently switched to a local humane meat shop. My hair had been thinning and now it's growing back.
No such thing as humane meat
Def humans are not animals . Obvi. And not created for same purposes. But they do have feelings, emotions, brain, some . Knowledge of their people, love for their people, for other animals, they have habits, moods. If that doesn't make a soul...Not a human soul of course, but still an animals soul
@@oscarcat1231 No such thing as a compassionate vegan.
@@tinknal6449 Vegans think destroying ecosystems and all the wildlife that lived there to grow their plants that aren't meant to grow there is compassionate and humane. What they don't see being killed they call humane and compassionate. That's the lack of logic when people are brainwashed.
30 years of vegan vegetarian here. I thought I was poisoned and I was right sever joint issues now I know it was oxalate poisoning. Arthoritic pain and my chest and heart pain as well as horrible hip pain. Sally k Norton talks about it. I’m vegetarian now and it’s much better with butter and eggs! Look into it if you have pain
Probably 15 years ago I started eating eggs every day for breakfast. Really like them. But, I was aware of studies decades ago that followed a group of doctors who regularly ate eggs. They had a higher all-cause mortality rate. I just blew that information off and enjoyed my eggs. Now I am aware of even more studies showing health problems with eggs. I've still got some in the frig, but I'm heading back to oatmeal for breakfast. I have no health conditions, but I think we need to take care of these bodies. Oxalate is an issue I heard about some years ago when an actor had kidney stones related to almonds he was eating. Again I blew it off. I ate 1.5 oz of almonds every day for a couple of decades, and for snacks. Love them. Recently I saw a case-study video about a woman who developed kidney problems eating cashews. The problem was oxalate crystals in her kidneys. I finally decided I needed to stop eating almonds. Just yesterday I learned about the high levels of oxalate in spinach, so I'm now aware of those, and also am now aware of low oxalate foods that are preferable. Most plant foods are low in oxalate with the exception of spinach, almonds, cashews and Brazil nuts. Everything we consume can cause problems: eggs, butter, oils, meat as well as some vegetables. If you want to optimize your health, some nutritional knowledge is important. Or you can just ignore all that and eat a wide variety of foods, not overdoing anything. Then you will likely be fine though maybe not optimal. But no one is going to live forever anyway.
@@slydog7131 I have the same issue. I was eating exclusively pasture-raised organic eggs and was developing heart problems and arthritis. I'm back to veganism and my symptoms almost immediately vanished.
@@gianniclaud My diet continues to evolve as I learn more. My breakfasts are much changed. I buy whole grain berries from my local grocer who carries them in bulk (wheat, oats, barley, farro, rice), mixing them at home in equal amounts in a bin. I use my small pressure cooker for 20 minutes but soaking overnight and then a normal quick cook also works. I add in some dried cranberries and blueberries and an ounce of unsalted chopped, mixed nuts (from the bulk bins) and add in some spices and balsamic vinegar. It's a delicious, hardy and healthy breakfast. My dinners have also changed. I have embraced a wide variety of foods, all plant based. But I eat whatever is served when dining with friends, which isn't too often.
Plant based for the animals and that God created them for our companionship not consumption. I pray we go back to that after Christ’s return.
Agree
Amen. Praise God for His wisdom and mercy.
Bible says it will, right?
Show me a single passage of scripture that says animals were created for companionship.
Lamb, beef, goat, fish are major meat in the Bible. So, I will eat meat as much as I need as I want. It's so DELICIOUS.
Vegan because you know...against slavery.
I’m still vegetarian and it’s the best diet for me. It wasn’t a spiritual decision either. 😊
Yay Ms. Noel 🥰
It is about caring for others who are not your self which I thought was a Christian principal but it doesn't seem to apply beyond human beings or only to select animals that we think are cute and cuddly like dogs and cats.
@@JacMarinoChen 1:56 and 2:27. What is that noise? It sounds like a lot weird female voice saying “Fuhhh” twice. Artifact?
And 10:32
@quietwaters955 it's me saying "hmmm". Sometimes my mic doesn't pic up quieter sounds like that well :)
This was a great conversation! I was vegetarian/ vegan/ raw/ fruitarian for almost 30 years. It was tough to leave the legalism I was in following this lifestyle, but thankfully the Lord showed me I was in bondage🙌🏽🙏🏽
Wow, Betty! Thank you for sharing! ♥️ I can relate to it being tough to leave, but I’m so thankful that the Lord led you out of legalism!
Interesting, I did not know that mercy equaled legalism.
like the animals you keep in bondage?
Thank you. Many Christian’s are VERY concerned for the animals. The Bible does tell us to have mercy on them and care for them. I am also ex vegetarian, but very careful.
me, also.
Thanks for this teaching Jac and Doreen. It was very informative. I've never been vegan but I can relate to the cruelty in the major meat animal producers. I've seen it firsthand in chickens. I had relatives who raised them for meat and eggs. They weren't cage-raised. They were raised in chicken houses that were so overcrowded that it was cruel. Many died before reaching the age that the big chicken processors would pick them up. I've seen many videos of how other animals are raised in pens without room to move. It's disgusting!
I prefer small chickens for that reason.
It is utterly amazing how complicated you both have made this issue. We became vegetarians 50 years ago because we simply could not afford meat. We quickly realized that we no longer even wanted meat, that we preferred vegetables and bean stews etc. Over the years our reasons for maintaining this diet have changed, that reason now being the difference between digestive tracks. The tracks of carnivores is short and straight to enable meat to pass through their system quickly and not rot. The tracks of plant eaters, cows and humans etc, is long and twisted, because there is no danger of anything rotting. Also the veg/vegan diet is healthier, requires less land and therefore feeds more people, and on and on. I am 76 now and look 50. I have no doctor and am rarely sick, so this way of eating is definitely for me. None of the complexity presented in this TH-cam.
I'm going to bet that you don't look 50. So many vegans I used to know believed they were aging at a slower rate and had a healthier glow than the 'carnists'. They were deluded, to everyone else they looked worn out and grey, myself included. All the power to you if you feel great and have no health issues. The reality is that the vegan lifestyle has robbed many people of vitality and they have the right to share their story.
The Lord has blessed you with wisdom and mercy. May He continue to do so. Amen.
@@amaranthx3627 It sounds like you are biased against vegans. I know plenty who look very young and much, much healthier than their meat-eating counterparts.
You are not educated on digestive systems. We do not have the digestive system of herbivores. First off, herbivores have a large alkaline stomach perfect for microbial fermentation of fiber. Humans (like other carniverous mammals) have acidic stomachs that cannot digest fiber but are excellent at breaking down meat for digestion. Herbivores also have a large hindgut which can further digest fiber. Humans have a small hindgut that digests fiber very poorly.
I get bloated with veggies and carbs and legumes etc.
Why?
I have been vegan 19 years and love Jesus. This has to do with caring for animals. Compassion comes from God. To me, loving animals and knowing that they feel pain and suffer has nothing to do with new age..it has to do with caring for God's creatures. Please don't preach that veganism is New Age. All the vegans I know do it for the animals, not for a "higher vibe." There is no such thing as humane slaughter. To me this entire video really misses the mark.
I've been a Christian for many decades. My diet has varied widely over that time. Somehow, I have no chronic health problems. Lately I've been learning more about nutrition. I took a nutrition class in college which was very informative, and I've learned more over the years. Recently I've been exploring Dr. Greger's website and channel. I've become aware of many research paper about nutrition and certainly that is starting to affect my nutritional sources. I'm definitely trending more towards vegan eating. It is purely for health considerations: I think we do have some responsibility to take care of our bodies, not only in what we eat but also in our lifestyle. For me, that is as far as it goes: healthier food choices. I have been eating whole foods for almost 20 years now, so no change there, just a shift in which whole foods I choose. Being a vegan or vegetarian doesn't mean you are eating healthy. A diet of French fries and white bread is vegetarian, but not healthy. But, if veganism is causing someone to go astray spiritually, then that is a problem and needs to be corrected. Better to die and enter heaven as a carnivore than go to hell as a vegan.
@@slydog7131 well said!
I am not religious, i was brought up catholic but it never sticked with me....
As a former US army airborne infantryman who has been deployed into combat, who was also medically discharge because of PTSD and a lower back injury as i was a machine gunner....
Went through some dark personal times after that dealing with drugs, alcohol, depression, etc...
I have been on a plant based diet for 11+ years and all i can say about it is that it has turned my life for the better.
Humans can thrive on a plant based diet.
All these talks i keep seeing of EX Vegans.... Sorry but it all sounds like weak minded people that lack empathy, who care more about what people think of them then to really understand what veganism is about....
it's not a diet so stop calling it a diet... it's not, it has nothing to do with the environment or your personal health...
"tHEy WerE NEveR veGAn iN tHe FIrsT plACe", right?
Some vegan stuff is great! Putting more veggies in my diet has helped me.
I'm actually curious about how on earth you guys can advocate for killing animals. I'm not a vegan myself, but I also don't think that you can use the Bible to say that everyone should eat animals or god will be angry with them.
That's what I'm assuming you're arguing for here. And I'm pretty interested to see what scriptures you can use to defend that point.
Saying that it is Biblical to eat meat is not the same thing as saying it's unbiblical to not eat meat.
@ChristineLynnForTheWin I'm willing to bet I have far greater knowledge of scripture than you do. Vegans love to cherry pick the Bible and take it out of context. I believe the following are the last words in the bible concerning meat consumption:
1 Timothy 4
King James Version
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
@@tinknal6449he’s talking about the gnostics. He’s also not saying you have to eat meat. Monks don’t eat meat. We don’t eat meat during fasts and fast days. Also olive oil and alcohol. You have to get the right interpretation. Pick up the orthodox study bible. They have an app too for like 9 bucks. There’s a little icon in the corner you press for the footnotes/interpretation from the church fathers and saints.
May you be blessed, and forgive me, a sinner.
This was a great conversation, thank you. A few months back I had Quorn chicken pieces and it made me very sick and my throat and face swelled a lot. I was lucky that I could still breathe. My face was covered with broken blood vessels which stayed over a week. I looked into it and it’s apparently a thing with Quorn and people have even died. Very scary!
@ChristineLynnForTheWin I do it’s just I thought I’d try something different which clearly backfired.
I was wondering, how much/often do you think veganism/rawism is just effectively part of an eating disorder? I definitely was vegan as part of an ED as a teenager, as it meant I could have an excuse to refuse a lot of foods or to create restrictive rules around foods. I've known many other people with an ED who were vegan or vegetarian. These particular individuals will say their reason is 'for the animals ' when it's not.
Really interesting idea. Never heard that before but it makes perfect sense (not that I've ever been tempted even for 5 seconds to be vegan)
Very interesting thought. I had an eating disorder for many, many years…including when I became a vegan. In my case, I can see some correlation. ♥️ Especially with control surrounding food.
I wouldn't say it's necessarily an eating disorder, but I could see how it could be a common thing for people with EDs to do since many people claim you will lose weight if you become vegan or vegetarian.
You can have an ED eating any kind of diet and it is about trauma and sometimes autism. ED's are often a social containgen and often effect girls and young women in various social groups.
I had an ed vegan, I binge ate. Honestly I couldn't get enough nutrients in me!
I appreciated this conversation so much! I was a very long time vegetarian, then vegan (vegetarian 10 years, then vegan for over 20 years). I was very passionate about my beliefs, and wanting to stop animal cruelty. It was never a burden for me to not eat animal products, because I did it out of love.
However, my health did suffer over the years, even though I was careful about trying to get all my necessary nutrients. I rationalized it and made excuses, not wanting to admit my diet was making me ill.
It was actually becoming a believer in Christ in 2021 that for the very first time made me begin to question my veganism. Once I started studying the Bible, and understanding what Jesus taught and the way he and the disciples lived, I realized I was hurting myself with my diet unnecessarily! I also realized, and this was hard to admit, that veganism had become an identity and an idol for me. I never realized that before, until God showed me.
It was hard to let that identity go, "I am vegan". But knowing my TRUE identity is in Christ, is what enabled me to let go of that false identity and idol.
My very first animal product was 2 fried eggs! The next was organic goat yogurt. I thought I would cry, and possibly throw up from eating them, but interestingly I didn't. I trusted God completely, and I knew I was doing the right thing. My digestion was fine, no problems at all, and I didn't cry!
It's now 3 years later, and I am feeling much better physically, and even emotionally and spiritually. I of course still care deeply about animals, and I buy my animal products as responsibly as I possibly can (availability, financially, etc).
I thank God for saving me, and for teaching me my true identity in His Son, Jesus!
There are several reasons your health could have suffered. I’m sure it wasn’t because you weren’t eating milk based products.
Imagine having compassion for animals as a "god." Maybe having compassion for our fellow humans is also a false identity and "god"?
@@alethiacharis2480Exactly. Many vegans are pro abortion, the murder of babies. Very confused people.
When you were vegan you were not eating a properly balanced diet. Or you had gut problems but this was not caused by the plant based diet. You do not need eggs and dairy to be healthy. I'm sorry by you are just kidding yourself for other reasons which I don't know. Please do not bring Jesus into this as an excuse. You are exploiting and harming animals no matter where you buy them. You are trying to soothe your conscience but saying all these things. If you truly cared about animals you would never use the products of their exploitation, suffering and murder.
When linked with occultism, veganism is certainly wrong. When done for the glory of God, plant based eating is a blessing to all who taste and see that the Lord is good.
"Pasture-raised chicken eggs...they just plop out eggs all day long." Were these chickens initially bred for this purpose?
None of the vegetables you eat resemble any plant that exists in nature.
If you want to go by that logic, i hope you don't drive, get on planes, use kitchen appliances.. where in nature do aminals drive cars?
@Doreen Virtue You led me to Christ from the new age, I was convicted by the holy spirit for following many Gods so I decided to follow Doreen and her Angle cards because Angels are Gods creation, after about 6 months your website changed and I remember a picture of Jesus was all that was available, You had converted to Christianity and went ahead of me I eventually accepted Jesus too. You influenced me thank you
I'm not New Age and the good Lord has kept me from stepping into that world. I've had friends try to get me to read The Secret, watch/read what they believed was Christian, but I just didn't feel right about it. I've stayed away. I've been vegan, I've been vegetarian, and I've been a carnivore. My body felt it's best when I ate raw vegan. In my humble opinion, God created us to not eat animals, but because of sin, he allowed it. Eating vegan doesn't mean you're New Age. Currently, I'm a carnivore, but once I get my brain mentally ready, I will be vegan again because that's how my body performs at its best. It has nothing to do with who I worship. Keep God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit at the forefront of everything you do, and that's all that matters!! God Bless everyone!
That is so well said
Glory to God
Thank you for this conversation. I don’t enjoy meat so much and so l listen some to the plant based/vegan folks because l enjoy the recipes,food tho l never have been vegan. What really was getting to me tho is how many of the people involved in this make it their religion and there’s so many new age things interwoven into this community in particular. It’s so important to be able to sort out the truth from the deception
I'm glad Doreen mentioned factory farmed and ethically raised meat. I do think it's important to note that a lot of people cannot afford to buy that. That is one of my reasons for eating a vegetarian diet. Perhaps we could afford to buy humanely slaughtered meat occasionally, but it wouldn't leave any money to tithe or give to the poor. Our budget is very tight even though we are debt free and live frugaly. People really need to think about this. I think having a healthy diet is important, but I've seen a lot of women become slaves to healthy, organic and "natural" living (this can happen to vegans or "carnivores") and put it above everything else. Eat the best diet you can, but don't become enslaved to it and put it above giving. Our bodies are temporary, giving to spread the gospel is eternal.
Adding that by enslaved I mean they are scared, worried, put their family in debt, don't tithe because they "can't afford it", etc. If not being able to afford organic food or natural fiber clothing is keeping you up at night fearing for your kids lives...you're enslaved. (And yes, I've seen this a LOT)
You cannot be a vegan without sucking the teat of industrialized agriculture. Maybe vegetarian, but not vegan.
You shouldn't be tithing if you are struggling to afford food.
I am vegan and christian. The two go together. Sometimes I will make a slight exception for pudding ,I love pudding, and pudding looks vegan. I could even someday see vegans asking sheep for kind use of wool. I am not an idealogue but do believe that being vegan is is an actual truth that most people don't get. When you do get it the truth overwhelms you and wonder why you never saw it before. 4:17 4:17 4:17
In your opinion why does the Orthodox Christian Church, the only church that is faithful to tradition of firsts Christians, prescribe to both monks and lay people more then 250 days a year of fast meaning veganism?
THANK YOU!
They clearly don’t know their church history.
I love this kind of topic! we all need to hear the truth of diet and how it connects to our faith in Jesus Christ. it's sooo important! thank you!
isn't it supposed to be about wfpb rather than veganism?
@@xenithsanguine yep. and The Heavenly Father would not support suffering and torture of animals
Omg, I think I took some of those photos when you guys were doing the cube of truth (I was a photographer around 2017 - 2020). Mind you, I'm just now coming back to veganism after falling off for a while and still figuring out my relationship with food - but I also do find myself reintegrating with gnostic principles.
What?
I don't often get to comment on Doreen 's YT, but I want to convey to her that I appreciate what she is doing for Jesus .
She is helping me stay strong and loyal to our Saviour.
Prayers to your ministry's lady's ✝️
I don't think she allows comments on her channel, does she?
Why the problem with Dr Greger and Dr Fuhrman? I don't consider my self a vegan, but I have been eating a plant-based diet for 7 years now. I don't think it's for everyone, but it's worked for me. 🤷
"You still eat vegan food..." as if that's something special. I think you'll find most people munch on an apple every now and then.
it was a vegan bakery, not apple orchard 🙏not sure if you understand there is a big difference in the point being made!
Please vote accordingly this November so RFK can clean up the food supply. Most of us CANNOT AFFORD organic, clean food. Im literally going hungry trying to avoid feeding myself and my child garbage chemical filled frankenfoods. Please people. This needs to be addressed.
Being delivered from the new age and few months later I started experiencing health issues so I started eating seafood and a lot of the pain went away.
I do have a question that Doreen touched on. The argument HAS been made that it would make sense why God gave animals for food after the flood, because, like Doreen said, their primary food source had become scarce beings all plant life had been destroyed. Is there some truth to that, though? That's what SEEMS to make the most logical sense rather than starve....
What would your all's thoughts be on that? Because, I've heard it said that while God's original design was for us to eat from the seed-bearing plants, animals were given later due to the circumstances changing... but that initially, God's design was for our diet to be as He intended in Genesis 1:29... Is that true?
My husband was born and raised in the 7th Day Adventist church (a cult!) and part of their religion was being vegetarian. We even tried being vegan for awhile. None of my family was happy AND - come to find out, my oldest daughter is allergic to soy (which is in everything - even shampoo!) Being on this diet has resulted long term health problems for her even to today
I’m someone who has been on the other side of the fence when it comes to veganism and I have wanted to tell you this that much of the reason why we have a lot of problems with the factory farms is because of the corruption within our government especially within the bureaucracy that has destroyed much of the family farms that used to raise livestock and replaced them with the factory farms throughout the countries and if you look at what is happening now in the Netherlands you can see how it has happened.
The sad thing is that if you care about this issue it’s not enough to take care about how you spend your money as you also have to be careful with who you vote for.
I eat meat and I like all dairy foods except milk. Instead of drinking milk, I really like Almond Milk. It's a great milk substitute ,drinking it , cooking with it. What do you think of Almond Milk?
I love almond milk, and that's what I drink too! I've been wanting to try making my own (: It looks pretty simple and you don't need additives!
@@JacMarinoChenHi Jac! 👋 💜🤗 When I read your comment & the comment above yours, It made me think of how much I love Almond Milk. I wanted to tell you guys about MALK unsweetened Organic ALmond Milk & my new favorite Forager Project Organic Dairy Free Oat Milk. They are both good. Both have only 3 ingredients. The Almond Milk has Almonds, Filtered Water & Himalayen Pink Salt & the second product has Oats, Filtered Water & Sea Salt. I was surprised at how much I like this Oat Milk!!! I just wanted to share these items incase you may like to try them.
Very high oxalate.
Yes I have started to make my own ( I am not vegan or vegetarian lol) I do one cup almonds In a blender with 4 cups of water more or less sometimes some vanilla powder or a date then I put it in a nut milk bag which is great to make it nice and then you strain it ! I soaked the almonds overnight too before @@JacMarinoChen
@@cheatednomore6430 thank you!
I pray for animals too, Doreen. I’m glad I’m not the only one :)
I just started a plant based diet for health reasons, and also weight loss. Are you saying we shouldn't eat this way?
@xenithsanguine I am reading a book by Dr Michael Greger called How not to die. Lots of scientific information
I gained 30 kg, when I thought I would lose weight as a vegan. I knew many vegans who had the same experience as me. Depending on what you were eating beforehand, it can be beneficial for short term (particularly for eliminating foods that may be causing you inflammation etc), but it's not worth it long term.
@@xenithsanguine I'm not going vegan
I just read that Deuteronomy chapter tonight that Doreen referred to tonight before finding this interview! I saw Doreen in 1999 and took her courses and even worked on her staff in 2021. It is amazing to be on this path ( the narrow one) now at the same time. 🙏💕
I was also raw vegan in the new age. I think something many don't realize is that the level of radiation we are now exposed to thru 5G helps to demolish red blood cells in addition to a whole other host of issues as the human body wasn't meant to withstand such high levels of radiation. I've had to start including red meat and all kinds of high iron foods due to becoming anemic from radiation exposure. Also the clay of earth from which we are made has high iron content. Making it stand to reason that many of us do best with high iron content in our diets. I also only consume organic, free range, grass fed meats.
Radiation from 5G doesn't cause anaemia. Organic food isn't any better than normal. I agree with you that foods high in nutrients are great though, and meat is really good for you if you're prone to anaemia.
I've heard a doctor say that growing your own root vegetables, and not completely cleaning off the dirt is good for you, so long as you don't use pesticides. Eating a little bit of dirt is good for you in multiple ways, to include immune support.
@@ConstantiaVerted I'm glad to hear you and many others are escaping the effects. Blessings. 🙏🏻
Not wanting to hurt and harm animals doesn't have to be a new age thing and there are Christians who are vegan . I know Christians who are vegan. It is as simple as caring about animals and not seeing a difference between a dog and a cow.
@@GraceThroughFaith222 I mean that factually, it's not a thing, for anyone, including you. Any symptoms you have are caused by something else, not 5G radiation (which is too small to do anything.) You need to work with a reputable mainstream doctor to check what's going on and to treat your symptoms. If something doesn't work, keep going back until they find something that works. God bless
Great conversation, thanks Ladies! I've been mostly vegetarian for 40 plus years, mostly because i don't like the taste or texture of meat. I became vegan for 2 years, found it easy and loved the food, but felt that 2 years was enough so now eat eggs and some cheeses again. We are all created differently and our bodies have individual needs to thrive, some need meat, others don't, etc...
I try to eat WFPB, and I do it *because of* the bible, I also eat clean (i.e. follow the dietary rules as per Leviticus) which is also the case with practicing jews.
It is a fallacy that believers are carnivours. Those in the Seventh Day Adventist Church are one of many examples of believers who mind what they eat *because of* the bible.
I really appreciate you guys making this video. Although I was never in the new age and didn’t get caught up with all the things veganism can mean in that world, it’s so important you’re spreading awareness! I’ve been on a plant based diet for about 8 yrs now and on the whole, it seems to be working well for me and I’m passionate about preventing harm to animals and our planet. But you raised some great points about how we can’t make anything our idol. I’ve seen how so many people make a religion out of it! Bless you guys ❤
How does being a vegan prevent harm to animals and the planet?
Ecosystems are destroyed and all the wildlife that lives in it are killed so your avocado trees can grow where it is not meant to grow. Not to mention water is diverted from other places to water the avocado trees that aren't meant to grow there. So how are you preventing harm again?
Dear Doreen & Jac, Jesus also taught the Parable of the Prodigal Son which involved feeding pigs (presumably for human food) and slaying a fatted calf.
I don't trust BG either. I will continue to be a vegetarian (I still need to eat honey from time to time) and really appreciate this conversation, Ladies. I love you both and Jenn too! 💗
I noticed a lot of counterintuitive ai trying to create problems by suggesting the opposite of what we search up or go to.
If we go to the butchery suddenly we see vegan posts.
What are you on about?
What about the kind of meat that has still blood in it, according to Acts 15:29: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
"Shop ethically as much as you can", but..."I still wear leather"🙃
You know that leather is a byproduct and that no animals are killed for leather right? What makes you think that the leather from ethically sourced meat isn't available?
Jac and Doreen, what are your views about the Seventh Day vegan diet? I am guessing they take their diet out of Pre Noah time in Genesis?
God bless you my sistas, since becoming a Christian I have so much love and care for animals they're so precious, I pray for them every day, you guys have a great day, Sold out for Jesus
Jac - do you have further information on why we’re being inundated with the “plant-based” diet that’s flooding the marketplace? Thank you for this video! ❤
Would you be willing to upload videos from your own TH-cam channel ontoaudio platforms?
I'd be happy to look into it!
@@JacMarinoChengreat, I’d highly Chen-courage that.
Excellent discussion! Thank you for this episode.
The Seventh Day Adventists are famous for their vegetarian/vegan dietary restrictions. It turns out, there are all types of Seventh Day Adventists from strict vegans to vegetarians to lacto-ovo-vegetarians to pescatarians to semi-vegetarians to omnivores. This neat categorization plus excellent record keeping lent itself well to several famous health studies which examined health outcomes depending on the different categorizations. As you moved from the omnivore category towards the strict vegan category, health outcomes like cardiovascular disease and diabetes went down. There was a clear correlation between worse health outcomes and eating more meat and dairy products. I think we all owe the Seventh Day Adventists (90,000 participated) gratitude for their willingness to participate in these studies.
I am a vegan Seventh-Day Adventist...for health reasons, to take care of my "body temple". I am glad I made this change 15 years ago. I have gotten off of many medications! I am 73, and still sing in Church, praise
God!
Lies. Over 50% of Adventists eat meat and only 8% of Adventists are vegan. Adventists health is do to a vegetarian and low meat diet. Vegans are unhealthy. Vegetarians are not vegans.
And theyre still the people who lied about got the food pyramid into our nutrition stuff. It's wild how wrong it is. Nobody should be eating 60-75% carb based diet.
about veal, I heard the male calves are killed if there is no use for them. someone said there are new regulations on some veal that give them more space and it at least the calves would live for a few months instead of one day. thoughts? God bless you ladies
I can worship god and still be vegan… I don’t think sacrificing a living creature and eating is right
Doreen I have some of your old cards and I will burn them, I am going to clean my home of all these esoteric, mystical and divination, psychic items. Nice to see you again teaching now about christian living. This has been coming to me for about the last three months. I at first didn't understand why you were renouncing your spiritual life, I get it now. :)
Plant-based dieting is about the human animals. Vegan is about the non-human animals, the victims.
Nice little bit of virtue signaling.
Restricting some foods affect the enzymes to break down food. And enzymes is really important for multiple functions of our body.
If i choose not to eat animals, how does that make me sinful? Ive been vegan 10 years. I understand God allows us to eat meat, but i thought i was allowed not eat meat if i choose.
Hi Bobbi! Did you watch the video? ♥ Neither Doreen nor I believe it is sinful not to eat animals. It's not! :)
@@JacMarinoChen Is it sinful to eat animals and exploit them in other ways, if you don't have to in order to maintain a healthy life?
@@grimfact No. Any other questions?
I am ex vegan when I got married. I made a commitment to start eating meat and I remember how hard it was to eat meat. Little by little I started now I eat once in a while meat but my diet has more plant based then meat but I felt stronghold breaking! It wasn’t easy but Jesus Christ help me.
You’re saying Jesus helped you eat meat?
What are you talking about?
I align with many Christian principles. I feel Christ's esoteric teachings are a guide. I prefer learning of Christ through Rudolf Steiner's teachings. The Path of the Rose Cross (Rosicrucian) has truly influenced my life. Jesus taught humanity not only how to live but also how to ascend.
The Bible is important, but don't you think it could have been co-opted by the "powers that should not be" of the early years?
As a vegan of 15 years, I used to push veganism onto others. Through my esoteric studies (and my alignment with Christ), I realize that it is immoral to influence /restrict the Free Will choices of any human. All humans possess Free Will, which must always be respected. With that said, I feel certain "powers that should not be" may have added words to the Bible to keep Humanity from ascending. A diet of raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds is all humans need. Many feel ill when nourishing themselves this way, but as the toxins are released (beautifully depicted in the Essene Gospel of Peace), vital energy within the body is released. This energy helps one focus, maintain equanimity, and see the positive more easily in the world. There is a middle path.
Hi friend! The esoteric Christ does not exist and cannot save. I came out of this background and encourage you to watch this video I made a few months ago on the topic: th-cam.com/video/FBwqYRuIIw4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Lqlr7jElsnZbi9uG
@@JacMarinoChen Christ is NOT Esoteric; Christ is for all of humanity (all life). Christ did not hide anything, but certain humans did. Rudolf Steiner was a theosophist but left to develop Anthroposophy.
I did watch the video. It did not seem to apply to what I wrote.
@@naturallawhealth9272 the Christ in esoteric teachings is not real and does not exist. Friend, Rosicrucianism and its teachings are opposed to God and the Gospel, and those teachings lead to hell.
God is the creator of all things. His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. He is Holy, meaning He is set apart and perfect in every way. We have all rebelled against this holy and perfect God who has given us every good thing we have ever received. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The wages of sin (meaning the payment due for our sin) is death. Sin has separated us from God. Apart from Christ our deserved destiny is a very real place called hell with torment and weeping and gnashing of teeth.
How do we, rebellious sinners, become reconciled with this perfect God? The free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jesus Christ, TRULY GOD and TRULY MAN, was born to a virgin, lived a perfect and sinless life that we could never live (and have not lived) and died on the cross, bearing our sins and God’s wrath for those who will believe in Him. He died on the cross, was buried, and rose on the 3rd day and is now seated at the right hand of God making intercession for those who believe in Him. He is the one and only mediator between God and man, and there is no other name given among men by which we must be saved. We are saved by having faith in Christ alone (not our own good works or anything else) to save us, and by turning from our sins (repentance) and to the true and living God.
Jesus Christ, and made known in the Holy Scripture, is the Savior, and this Gospel is the only one that can saved.
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.” - Galatians 1:8
“And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” - 2 Corinthians 11:14
To answer your question about the Bible, no I do not wonder. If you (or anyone else) are interested, the reliability of the Bible and its manuscripts is astounding. I encourage you to read this article or watch these series:
www.wesleyhuff.com/can-i-trust-the-bible
www.gotquestions.org/Bible-reliable.html#:~:text=Archaeologists%20have%20found%201800+%20manuscript,we%20know%20of%20ancient%20history.
@@naturallawhealth9272 If you'd like to talk more about this, I would be happy to talk with you! Please email me. jac@jacmarino.com
Just wanted to point out that it's probably not a great idea to use the Hebrew word neh'-fesh as specifically meaning having a soul since it's used of animals also (Genesis 1:24,1:30 etc.) and more has the idea of living being, creature, etc.
@ChristineLynnForTheWin Just that one should be careful to not assign meaning that's not there. The word is used of living beings.
@ChristineLynnForTheWin Right, my point is that we know mankind is special and distinct from the animals from the narrative (God created mankind in His image and gave them dominion over the animals) it's not the Hebrew word that shows us this distinction.
Vegan vs plant based is not the same, can you explain
I had been doing a parasite cleanse with diatomaceous earth for about six weeks, and my scalp broke out into a rash, and it itches terribly. I stopped taking the DE a couple weeks ago but it’s not any better so I have to go to a dermatologist now. I am positive it’s from the DE!
I'm so sorry to hear that, Nancy! I'm not familiar with taking that, but was given a regimen from my doctor after traveling to Taiwan ♥ I pray that your scalp heals quickly and that you get helpful answers.
Scalp rash is indicative of a separation conflict you experienced especially an intellectual one. The rash is actually the healing phase of the resolution of that conflict.
@@JacMarinoChenthank you! I appreciate your concern. ❤
I see the dermatologist today.
@@TheSwissChaletI’m not trying to be rude, but this sounds like a very superstitious, new age belief. I’ll be praying for you to let go of those kind of thoughts. 🙏🏻😊
To recommend eating animals but then to be against factory farms is a complete contradiction. Most of the population that hears these "ex vegans" only has access to regular food at grocery stores and restaurants. We get it, you go from one opposite side of the spectrums to the other- and then trash it all on your way to the next thing. No offence but how can people really be that into what you're preaching when you just jump all over the place and try to convince people that you've found the way this time? LOL how do you even know? I choose to trust the people who are consistent in life. And humble.
Yes, their ignorance and hypocrisy is sad and troubling. Veganism is not about being perfect, but making the best most merciful choices that we can. May the Lord have mercy on these lost souls and lead them to repentance and salvation.
You cannot be a vegan without sucking the teat of industrialized agriculture.
@@crb2061 There is nothing ignorant or hypocritical about eating a proper human diet.
I keep saying that I don't want to eat concentration camp chickens or feed lot beef. I stopped pork completely, years ago
@ChristineLynnForTheWin Quoting actual scripture is not "twisting it", cherry picking scripture is though. This passage makes it clear how you corrupt the Bible.
Romans 14
King James Version
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
My step grandpa was part owner of a dairy farm growing up. I have fond memories of visiting the farm, but everything you say about the dairy industry is true. I watched a few cow births and they would separate the mother and babies after a few hours. It always made me sad. Buy grassfed dairy if you can!!
organised religion and eating meat are both a living expression of a 'hell' in my opinion. Veganism and growing food to eat is peace and paradise. Unfortunately much of the so called holy book is far from being God-given, I hope y'all come to realise in time to save this beautiful planet.
My humble opinion is that it comes down to a)stewardship of his beautiful and generous resource blessings and b) faith that He provides. Enough for today. Look at the birds of the air - they do not hoard and store for tomorrow and yet they are cared for. How much more would the Father not see to you, whom loved so much that he gave us the the Lamb.
I was vegetarian once mostly inspired to get healthy, clear my skin, and because I saw one of those documentaries about the animal cruelty that takes place. At the time, there weren't a lot of resources about how to get meat ethically either. I feel like there's a few months where I had some health relief since when I started I was careful in trying to eat enough protein, get iron, and other nutrients that vegetarians tend to be deficient in. Before that I wasn't trying to eat a balanced diet at all. But the commonly processed nature of the diet eventually caught up with me.
i really like New Age, curious why someone would leave
Thank you for sharing another great video!
Thank you for watching, Silviya!
It took courage to talk about veganism.
Question: Are you both at least still vegetarians? Since you both seem to at least agree on and aknowledgme the HORRENDOUS cruelty to animals at slaughter houses?
Thank you , sisters for this!
Tip: if you live in a state with a large Amish population, they many time have butcher shops with local raised farm meats.
I have been trying to reach Doreen Virtue. I signed up at Facebook to message her, after being told by Facebook that I would have to wait 24 hours. That time has passed, and it also looks like there is no way to reach her at her website either, nor at her youtube channel. Before I waste any more time: is this just the way it is, Doreen?
This is in her about section on TH-cam as well as in every one of her video's descriptions (: Hope it helps
"PLEASE NOTE: If you have questions for or about Doreen and her work, please send them as a direct message on instagram.com/DoreenVirtue, instead of through this TH-cam channel where messages are unmonitored."
@@JacMarinoChen Thanks for that.
Amen. God is good.
The best foods are grown vegetables, fruits without dbt's that kill insects, and some meat, etc., as ethically done as possible. A Saint's body is your temple and give it the best sustenance possible while you live. Amen.
John the Baptist ate locust and honey 🍯
Doreen mentioned Pranic Healing as demonic. Can you please elaborate on it. I know in my heart that it is not of our Lord Jesus, but someone I know is so into it! I am so worried for this person!
Sorry, I don't see how being vegan and new age go together.
I am a born again Christian for 43 years.
Grew up on a veal farm. All the saturated fat in meat was making me sick with prediabetes in my early 40's. That pushed me to analyze my diet and lifestyle.
So, I changed my diet for health reasons and followed the science (God is the God of all science). Now the prediabetes is under control after losing 40 lbs, the healthy way.
Changing to a plant based diet was the best decision I made for my physical health.
It is a great way to take care of our bodies, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
When a plant based diet is done correctly, you receive all the nutrients needed to live a strong, healthy life. It is so easy to do!
I don't judge meat eaters, most of my family members are omnivores. To each its own.
Being a Christian and plant based (some call it vegan, even though they are not the same) ... I have No cognitive dissonance, just sound body, mind and soul following Jesus' footsteps.
Some people ask, if you reverted, or controlled the prediabetes, why do you stay 'vegan'?
Simple, I stay 'vegan' for my continued health, the animals and our planet that God trusted us with. ❤
Loved watching this video, great information that I myself participate in with trying to eat clean and not to be strictly a diet type, everybody should listen to there body with what works for them to be balanced and healthy.
This content is reminiscent of naval gazing. Look around. There are so many more important issues at this time.
We just remember that there is just one verse saying we need to be kind to animals. But the biggest command is that we should love God and others. Yes, by all means, we should be kind to animals, but I personally will never spend time or money activating for animals. My time and resources are too limited. There are so many children and people needing help❤
There are essential vitamins that our brains and bodies need that are only found in meat.
I used to live near commercial poultry farms, and I will not eat from the big poultry brands. Never heard, saw or smelled a bird. Birds are loud, smelly animals, but at a minimum, you should be able to see them. All you ever saw were the buildings they were kept in and the grain silos they were fed from. I grew up with chickens, and just can't bring myself to eat those poor birds.
curious which vitamins?
B12, Taurine, Creatine, Heme iron (which is better absorbed by the body than non-heme iron found in plant based products) D3 just like the iron, it is better absorbed by the body when taken from animal products.
Yes you can take supplements. Heck you can take supplements for almost everything, doesn't mean your body knows what to do with it and is able to properly absorb it. Evidence based research is, like a lot of research, inconclusive.
what vitamins? Our bodies and brains need complex carbohydrates to work efficiently which doesn't include unhealthy refined foods.
@@rawforlife_ Everyone should take B12, but especially vegans and vegetarians. Every other vitamin and amino acid is available in plant based lifestyle. There is no reason to eat meat unless you want to.
@@lillypilly6440 The brain has no need for carbohydrates. It needs a little glucose which can be produced in the liver through gluconeogenesis.
Fascinating video, thank you.
Best to buy your meat from a local farmer. Labels can be put on anything.
I still won't eat pork or shellfish because they're basically the clean-up crew of the earth. 😂
What does being a Christian have to do with being a vegan? I am born again Christian who is plant based. This is not Biblical what you guys are touting
I eat meat. I love animals but I eat meat. I have a degree in livestock management, but I don't think I could have handled the killing of animals myself.
Nothing against vegans as long as they don't get between me and meat. As much as I can tell the Bible doesn't speak of any specific diet for us.
Ex vegan here 👋 i was vegetarian/ vegan most of my life. Kind of switching between the two. Not for the normal convictions that most people make these choices. It started as a kid simply because when i ate meat my stomach hurt. Then about 2008 or 2010 a friend sent me a facebook challenge for a 14 day raw vegan diet. That lead me into some new age stuff. Though thankfully i didnt spriral too far. But far enough. A few years ago i realized i needed some animal based nutrition. So i started incorporating it slowly , with greek yogurt first. About a few months ago i started adding meat. As a perimenopausal woman i know i am lacking things i actually need.
So interesting (and sad) that veganism led you to new age beliefs, rather than new age beliefs leading you to veganism as it did for Doreen and myself. I’m glad you’re finding what works for your health, Brianne 🥰
@@JacMarinoChen unfortunately it wasn't my intro into new age stuff. I was raised with trickles of it all over. I was trying not to be long winded but should have clarified it was just different new age beliefs. I was a Christian at the time of the raw food challenge. But I wasnt raised a Christian and didn't have the strongest discernment yet. I was also in a very progressive church. So the raw food challenge introduced me to a new side of things. The portrayal of this super crunchy hippie lifestyle was so appealing to me. Everyone doing yoga looked so strong and healthy and centered. And I wanted that, and I felt like I was good at it. I was also told in middle school by my P.E teacher that I was a natural at it. And then the raw food thing lead me to kind of making my food choices idolatrous. I'm not good at explaining things the way you guys are. Thats one reason I'm so grateful for the podcast. Our experiences are different, yet you give a voice to those of us who have dealt with the deception. It felt like it had a hold of me and my thinking.
Eating a vegan diet doesn't mean you have to be into the new age at all. I know some Christian vegans as well as atheist and agnostics . It is just people who care about animals and don't want them to be harmed and can work together to help animals despite differences in their beliefs and ideologies. Most vegans are not new age at all and most new age people eat animals.
@@lillypilly6440 i wasnt suggesting the diet itself was new age. But the things I was becoming interested in were rooted in that. And I also started having this belief that somehow being grounded in the earth was making me more godly. Like I was more spiritual or something
In my 20s I was a vegan for about a day lol. I received a pamphlet that showed how farm animals are treated. I didn’t ever want to eat an animal if they were abused like that. I also misinterpreted a scripture that made me think God doesn’t want us to eat animals. So then I declared God doesn’t want us to eat animals, and I was going vegan. But then I started looking at the Bible for more information, and I quickly realized that we are not supposed to forbid eating meat. I realized Jesus ate meat. So I dropped the idea of veganism rather quickly.
Fortunately, right at the same time, I discovered there are ethically raised animal products. So I started getting all my animal products from a health food store. Later on, I started getting raw milk from a micro farmer. The raw milk I buy today comes from a small farm where they allow the calves to stay with their mothers for a good while.
We are fallen beings that live in a fallen world. It can take a bit of humility to realize we are dependent on others animals in order to be healthy. At least we, unlike predatory animals, can choose to be humane about it.
What about blood type diet