@@notknown6605Really? Well done you! My interpretation was a trans person is able to have a new birth certificate issued with male/female altered. However despite the alteration been legally complete, Badenoch says only the original birth certificate would be deemed valid in scenarios such as rape crisis centers, but the altered one would be legally valid in other scenarios. So a person would have two birth certificates which are both valid, as to which one is valid at a certain moment in time entirely depends on what they are trying to do. So both certificates are legally valid, but at the same time, both certificates are also not legally valid🙃 What Badenoch now needs to do is draw up and publish precisely where and when either birth certificate is valid. Of which the process in doing so, and what is/isn't placed on it, brings the entire debate full circle rendering Badenoch's policy ultimately pointless, making zero progress on the issue🤷 I hope my interpretation is wrong because this is both her fulltime job and personal pet project crusade. I'd hate to be left with the impression the Conservatives are as ineffective as they are hard-hearted....
"this is not a paperwork issue" means that rather than using legal sex, instead everyone will look at women and challenge the ones that 'look a bit mannish'.
My niece is 6'1", wears size 9 shoes, has 2 children and is often challenged and abused thanks to all this nonsense being used as a smokescreen for govrnment failures.
That’s what this mp is actually saying. Without proper paperwork that includes gender and biological sex there will be very a lot of difficult incidents at places like refuges and other women only spaces.
Honestly... as a left leaning individual focussed on social democracy, good public services for all... I am bored beyond despair with this debate... I don't understand it... and im not sure why this tiny minority affecting matter consumes SO much rent free space in the western world's minds these days.
Probably because certain groups aren't content with it being a tiny minority issue and feel the need to massively alter our societies and ability to speak freely so as to accomodate them.
Right, because it's only ever possible to talk about one thing. As soon as you talk about another thing it proves that you don't care about that one thing. Did someone buy you a 'How to do classically poor arguments' book for Xmas?
5:35 - I find Badenoch's statement that Mishal Husain is "describing a hypothetical scenario describing when people go into rape crisis centres " as some sort of justification not to answer the question rather baffling. Of course she's describing a hypothetical situation. The Conservatives haven't changed the law yet so there is no real scenario to draw upon. But the Tories must have considered those hypothetical scenarios, or else they wouldn't be trying to change the law in the first place. So all they need to do is clarify exactly how it would work in practice, and - not for the first time - they devoutly refuse to do so.
@@Michelle-vv9lk so trans people should be excepted by law even if they have been subjected to the same crimes? Do you think that they deserve to be treated less favourably than other women?
@@user-ij6er5gf7smen can be raped and sexually abused- they can obviously report it. Why are you making out there’s no where for trans to report rape or sexual abuse?
There are some services with a one to one setting. There should be bespoke services for transgender survivors of abuse, like they have for male survivors. If the Government funded everything properly, we could have specialist services to meet the specific needs of different groups of survivors.
Exactly this. And when the discussion gets convoluted or confusing, accusations of transphobia start coming out to stop the discussion. The issue has almost become a minefield just to talk through without fear of being labelled a phobic.
All people should have equality under the law, to live & exercise their freewill without discrimination. To curtail an individual's freewill you must be able to show it has an actual & disproportionate effect on others exercising their freewill. Everyone should be presumed innocent in the absence of evidence to the contrary. How did I do?
Because it gets people entrenched in an argument that transcends their inadequacies and wrongdoing. It is a side issue that gets exaggerated to divert attention.
Tories have been in power for 14 years. Whatever laws we have on this are their laws or laws they didn't want to change. This is their mess. And she's not even clear on her own mess. How can she get confused and be so unclear in her answers? The question is very straight forward. If she has actually spent a day going through her own proposal, working it through in a practical way, then she would have the answers. She's another Lettuce Liz. Where do they find such thick people? Her and Lettuce Liz should be put on The Apprentice.
Of course, should go without saying. My impression though is things have got worse if anything with 'culture war capture' & few if any of these politicians are acting in good faith
People go to a rape crisis centres to discuss the effects of rape. Does that mean that someone of changed gender can't have been raped and is denied this support?
No, but female victims of rape require women only spaces in which to receive support as many many survivors are terrified of being around men after their ordeal. Most perpetrators are men and most survivors are women. As for male survivors, most perpetrators against them are also men. If male victims would benefit from having female only therapists etc I think that should be a service that is provided.
"You're creating scenarios..." weird that. It's almost like legislation has a "practical real world effect(s)" and before it's passed the different scenarios it could lead to should be thought about in depth. Yes Kemi bebz that reporter asking you about "hypothetical scenarios" was a bad bad person and should get put on the naughty step 😂
Correction at 1:40 You do not need a gender recognition certificate to change a passports sex, only for birth, death and marriage certificate. Evidence: my passport says f, i do not posses a GRC
"..as ive repeated before ive answered this question before." Dude maybe repeating a nothing answer to a question asked in several ways for the purpose of clarity is why you keep getting the question. You can tell she thinks this is a great tactic.
@@highdownmartin you act like these are the only instances of rape in prisons but there are cis-women raping other women in those prisons too (and likewise for male prisons) - the real issue here is that prisons somehow allow prisoners to commit rape at all. These are rapists and criminals we're talking about; how is it fair to use them as a justification to collectively punish all trans people?
it's must be worrying for the Conservative stalwarts that these is the best their cabinet can do. I recently went to Kemi's constituency and there is no love lost for the woman from the people i spoke to in the local Conservative Club.
A conservative party candidate attempting to roll back the delusional legislation that makes it possible for men to declare themselves women is not 'disastrous' at all, but what I expect will become more and more common, now and in future. Already 'gender-affirming care' has been discredited. We will witness a return to sanity when biological sex and legal sex are one and the same, not only so that doctors can provide appropriate care, but most importantly so that reality can once again achieve recognition in the public sphere.
Surely the question to ask Badenoch is if the original birth certificate is precedent, what is the point of a gender recognition certificate or an amended birth certificate? Surely they would be irrelevant and useless.
i agree that Hussain leant into the wrong end of the argument... to a point. Helena nailed it, i think, when she says that the actual legal framework is so unimportant to Badenoch that she isn't remotely prepared or willing to talk about that side of thing, and I think Hussain's persistent skewering of this highlighted the whole 'vibes' approach to this policy. Where it could have been improved, in hindsight, is if she had followed up that line of questioning with an exposure of that: 'Okay, you refuse to discuss the legal details, so are you effectively saying women's shelters are free to expel anyone they don't like the look of?'
This post is a very very deliberate intentional misrepresentation of what KB is saying. KB has the mental rigour that you hardly can match or surpass. I like Kemi's conviction, honesty and intelligence. Her passion shines through. Perhaps her background in engineering explains her political acumen and sagacity. The issues of our day are much more serious than all these gender nonsense. Listen to KB on other issues.
I've said, and I'll say it again, Badenoch does not understand the Equalities Act and the provision's under sex discrimination that allows for single-sex spaces (that excludes trans people) where there is a justification to do so. Services are already well versed in safeguarding provisions for women, girls and transwomen. It's just innane at this point.
I care for not for any political party in the UK, I hate them all equally but please. Gender shouldn't be confusing. Biological sex is all we need to be worried about.
People are focusing on the trans issue here; but shouldn't men also have access to crisis centres? Shouldn't EVERYONE have somewhere to go in case they are violated in the worst way possible?
The problem for the Tories is that if they were to address any actual problem that really matters to people, more often than not they're the cause of it.
I really love this presenter, Moya; her pace at which she speaks along with her clarity and tone, makes you want to stop and listen. I find some of the other presenters a little too rushed, it is not nice to watch. I know I should comment on the content... But just wanted to recognise Moya for her work 👍🏻👏🏻
obviously it's not, why do you think trans people transition? transitioning changes aspects of sex: hrt changes hormonal sex which changes secondary sex characteristics (i.e. the ones you develop during puberty), and if they have surgery that changes primary sex characteristics
@@flower4750 Don’t be silly. There are male gametes and female gametes. Women belong to the sex class that produces large gametes. This is how biological sex in mammals is defined. Changing secondary sex characteristics does not change a person’s biological sex. Surgery changes features of appearance, it does not fundamentally change a person’s biological sex. So, you need to start by defining sex. By the way, you also need to define ‘trans’, because modern gender ideology does not require people to do any of the things you mention for them to be ‘trans’ and, according to the ideology, literally a woman.
What does the word "gender" actually mean? If you just use the word "sex" exclusively, then all confusion vanishes. The phantasm called "gender" disappears.
Because she doesn't have an answer, she claims it is a hypothetical question! How else can issues be discussed, if likely scenarios can't be raised? Not just incompetent but clearly disingenuous.
I’m not sure you can criticise ‘the framing’ of an interview extract out of context. Mishal did an incredible job of exposing the lie at the heart of the Tory position: They care about the welfare of vulnerable people.
I do feel there's a lot of misunderstanding, and in some cases outright misinformation about the equality act. First of all, single sex spaces were not hard won rights codified in the equality act, as some people like to claim. Single sex spaces are an exemption to the equality act that existed before. It is my understanding that the "clarification" she wants to provide is already how the law is judged. If a service can argue that it cannot reasonably provide its service if it's made to provide it to trans women as well as cis women, it is allowed to do so. To the best of my knowledge there's only one women's refuge that has even tried to do that, and it's the one fronted by jkr, because most actual refuges know that trans women aren't a threat to vulnerable women and often are vulnerable women needing refuge. It's sad, I remember the bathroom bill debates in America decades ago and feeling smug that at least we in Britain weren't that bad. How naive I was.
What a shit show this Tory government is 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
She is without doubt the most arrogant,ignorant MP in Parliament.
Tough competition!
I completely doubt that.
I've no doubt whatsoever.
Completely agree she is a bizarre narcissist
Ooof, very packed field there, she's definitely a contender though.
What a joke...
Badenoch's been working on this for months and she can't explain the policy.
How are the rest of us supposed to understand this?
I understood it. I might not agree but I understood.
@@notknown6605 Perhaps you could explain it for the rest of us.
@@notknown6605Really? Well done you! My interpretation was a trans person is able to have a new birth certificate issued with male/female altered. However despite the alteration been legally complete, Badenoch says only the original birth certificate would be deemed valid in scenarios such as rape crisis centers, but the altered one would be legally valid in other scenarios. So a person would have two birth certificates which are both valid, as to which one is valid at a certain moment in time entirely depends on what they are trying to do.
So both certificates are legally valid, but at the same time, both certificates are also not legally valid🙃 What Badenoch now needs to do is draw up and publish precisely where and when either birth certificate is valid. Of which the process in doing so, and what is/isn't placed on it, brings the entire debate full circle rendering Badenoch's policy ultimately pointless, making zero progress on the issue🤷 I hope my interpretation is wrong because this is both her fulltime job and personal pet project crusade. I'd hate to be left with the impression the Conservatives are as ineffective as they are hard-hearted....
@@GusMcGuireI don’t think they really truly understood hence why they haven’t responded in 5days lol
@@LoneSheWolf09they understood the Conservatives would have to don red ties
"this is not a paperwork issue" means that rather than using legal sex, instead everyone will look at women and challenge the ones that 'look a bit mannish'.
Exactly
Absolutely it's going to end up harming "biological" women too.
The transphobes know this and they think it's a price worth paying 🙄
My niece is 6'1", wears size 9 shoes, has 2 children and is often challenged and abused thanks to all this nonsense being used as a smokescreen for govrnment failures.
That’s what this mp is actually saying. Without proper paperwork that includes gender and biological sex there will be very a lot of difficult incidents at places like refuges and other women only spaces.
Honestly... as a left leaning individual focussed on social democracy, good public services for all... I am bored beyond despair with this debate... I don't understand it... and im not sure why this tiny minority affecting matter consumes SO much rent free space in the western world's minds these days.
Agree. I was bored & confused before. KB did nothing to make things clearer
Distraction.
Probably because certain groups aren't content with it being a tiny minority issue and feel the need to massively alter our societies and ability to speak freely so as to accomodate them.
Ask Thatchel, he's paid to answer your questions
Ditto. As we head blindly into the extinction of the planet gender politics is an irrelevance
Why do they only ever discuss male to female transgender & never female to male?
Exactly.
That's for the election after next
@@zeeone4492😂
Because women's rights, women's spaces and women's sports are not compromised by transgender females to males.
@@JonnyWard-kg4vuAnd males just laugh at tranmen because they do not pose a risk to men…What transmen are winning in men’s sports for example?
This is more important than children dying in poverty in the UK?
Uh stop been hyperbolic
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. Trans rights are the most important things in the life of a trans person.
Right, because it's only ever possible to talk about one thing. As soon as you talk about another thing it proves that you don't care about that one thing. Did someone buy you a 'How to do classically poor arguments' book for Xmas?
And that's the problem!
@@Human_Herbivorebut this government really wants to stigmatise the entire issue.
Watching Tories continue to fail miserably is brilliant
Just when you think it can't get any worse it does!!! 😂😂😂
Bad Enoch.
Car crash ? More like a tory pileup .! The whole party is crashing into the abyss
5:35 - I find Badenoch's statement that Mishal Husain is "describing a hypothetical scenario describing when people go into rape crisis centres " as some sort of justification not to answer the question rather baffling. Of course she's describing a hypothetical situation. The Conservatives haven't changed the law yet so there is no real scenario to draw upon. But the Tories must have considered those hypothetical scenarios, or else they wouldn't be trying to change the law in the first place. So all they need to do is clarify exactly how it would work in practice, and - not for the first time - they devoutly refuse to do so.
they haven't thought out anything, it is just nonsense to attract anti trans outraged gammon.
A classic example of a third grade politician as outlined by Andrew Neil😂
They've got nothing to lose so they can just be as unhinged as they like.
Where would a transgender woman be treated if they were raped or sexually abused??
@@Michelle-vv9lk so trans people should be excepted by law even if they have been subjected to the same crimes? Do you think that they deserve to be treated less favourably than other women?
@@Michelle-vv9lkSo the Tories are going to fund this? What practical research, or evidence, do they have? More vacuous populism. Same old Tories.
@@user-ij6er5gf7smen can be raped and sexually abused- they can obviously report it. Why are you making out there’s no where for trans to report rape or sexual abuse?
There are some services with a one to one setting. There should be bespoke services for transgender survivors of abuse, like they have for male survivors. If the Government funded everything properly, we could have specialist services to meet the specific needs of different groups of survivors.
@@Michelle-vv9lkdo you understand how few trans women exist?
These topics are so ludicrous they can’t even be discussed coherently.
Exactly this. And when the discussion gets convoluted or confusing, accusations of transphobia start coming out to stop the discussion. The issue has almost become a minefield just to talk through without fear of being labelled a phobic.
100...When people have high bills, is this what they focus on
@@eve938this is what they want you to talk about not about the unaffordable living costs and how 'they' are screwing us, literally.
All people should have equality under the law, to live & exercise their freewill without discrimination.
To curtail an individual's freewill you must be able to show it has an actual & disproportionate effect on others exercising their freewill.
Everyone should be presumed innocent in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
How did I do?
Why is she so obsessed with peoples genders and sexual orientation. These people have no real policies.
Because it gets people entrenched in an argument that transcends their inadequacies and wrongdoing. It is a side issue that gets exaggerated to divert attention.
Nah, she is trying to kill the obsession with gender in some quarters. She is a warrior princess and good looking too. More power to her.
I think it might be trans herself? Deep voice aggression etc!!!!
Let's forget about austerity, cost of living crisis, housing crisis, mental health, NHS waiting lists AND lets focus on gender confusion.
"don't look there, look here, look into my eyes, you will enter a deep sleep"
@@forestsunset9617
This interview is missing the vote counter showing votes for the tories dropping in 100's per second😂
Tories have been in power for 14 years. Whatever laws we have on this are their laws or laws they didn't want to change.
This is their mess.
And she's not even clear on her own mess.
How can she get confused and be so unclear in her answers?
The question is very straight forward.
If she has actually spent a day going through her own proposal, working it through in a practical way, then she would have the answers.
She's another Lettuce Liz.
Where do they find such thick people?
Her and Lettuce Liz should be put on The Apprentice.
Mental gymnastics here. My head hurts.
I don't think even she knows what she is talking about.
Olukemi Olufunto Badenoch is a bully & a liar
I 😂 cos youtube then adds "Translate to English"
@muirislandjim453 No she isn't!
@bburg0408 Oh yes, she is 🌭
Glad that’s been cleared up 😂
😅👏👏👏
Can one be biologically black , politically white and morally Tory ? Just asking ....
No. Politically white is not a thing.
Kemi can, is
Of course they can
😂 nice one.
@RugbyPass81 behaving like a child pretending to be a playground leader with no leadership experience. Want me to carry on with examples ?
Confusion is exactly what they want
10 years of hate because all we wanted was a little bit dignity in society and in law.
Of course, should go without saying. My impression though is things have got worse if anything with 'culture war capture' & few if any of these politicians are acting in good faith
Everyone owns their own dignity, it's up to oneself to behave with dignity, wouldn't you agree?
Women want our dignity. Putting males, however they identify in our spaces violates that.
Vote Tory get the pink triangle
People go to a rape crisis centres to discuss the effects of rape. Does that mean that someone of changed gender can't have been raped and is denied this support?
Not at all. Allowing the exclusion of men from female-only services doesn’t mean that unisex services or services for men couldn’t also be offered.
No, but female victims of rape require women only spaces in which to receive support as many many survivors are terrified of being around men after their ordeal. Most perpetrators are men and most survivors are women. As for male survivors, most perpetrators against them are also men. If male victims would benefit from having female only therapists etc I think that should be a service that is provided.
@@ShakirahIbaad this can be solved with bespoke one-to-one treatment. Your transphobia isn't needed here
@@ShakirahIbaad can they specify they need white therapists?
So it's not about paperwork it's about doublethink. Got it. Immutably double plus good.
[vomits]
She has all the empathy, style & grace of a concrete block.. 🤦♂️
This all stems from the American Christian far-right!
"You're creating scenarios..." weird that. It's almost like legislation has a "practical real world effect(s)" and before it's passed the different scenarios it could lead to should be thought about in depth. Yes Kemi bebz that reporter asking you about "hypothetical scenarios" was a bad bad person and should get put on the naughty step 😂
Proper wrong un this one.
Tories seem to be obsessed with Gender and small boats.?...😖
Love Helena’s bit of context here, well spoken!!
What a sad, dystopian moment we all have to live through that this is even a a topic of discussion…
Im sick of anti trans stuff.
She is an awful person
Correction at 1:40
You do not need a gender recognition certificate to change a passports sex, only for birth, death and marriage certificate.
Evidence: my passport says f, i do not posses a GRC
Judging by the way she "explains" this mess, it's only clear that she herself doesn't understand what the hell she's talking about.
More gaps in Badenough's point's than between her teeth.
Kemi Badenoch will become the first black British Prime Minister. You heard it here first!
No dont make me watch it again it was hard enough the first time
Bad Enoch makes Ms Coffey look competent.
Don't. Imagine being stuck in a lift with them both.
"..as ive repeated before ive answered this question before." Dude maybe repeating a nothing answer to a question asked in several ways for the purpose of clarity is why you keep getting the question. You can tell she thinks this is a great tactic.
Exactly how many rapists ended up in women's prisons. Numbers please??
One is too many.
Last I heard was 127, but most just self ID after been caught. Yes it's a shit show.
If it's only one that puts all the other female inmates at risk. Aren't you bothered about them?
@@highdownmartin you act like these are the only instances of rape in prisons but there are cis-women raping other women in those prisons too (and likewise for male prisons) - the real issue here is that prisons somehow allow prisoners to commit rape at all. These are rapists and criminals we're talking about; how is it fair to use them as a justification to collectively punish all trans people?
it's must be worrying for the Conservative stalwarts that these is the best their cabinet can do. I recently went to Kemi's constituency and there is no love lost for the woman from the people i spoke to in the local Conservative Club.
A conservative party candidate attempting to roll back the delusional legislation that makes it possible for men to declare themselves women is not 'disastrous' at all, but what I expect will become more and more common, now and in future.
Already 'gender-affirming care' has been discredited.
We will witness a return to sanity when biological sex and legal sex are one and the same, not only so that doctors can provide appropriate care, but most importantly so that reality can once again achieve recognition in the public sphere.
Trying to follow what Kemi is saying has given me a HeadAche
Surely the question to ask Badenoch is if the original birth certificate is precedent, what is the point of a gender recognition certificate or an amended birth certificate? Surely they would be irrelevant and useless.
She said, ??? Legal, biological, paper, identifying, or gender? This is, ? Practicality is ? Gone.,
KB said then current position is confused. In reality, she sounds confused.
I did hear “Lead” Balls didn’t I? 😂
I am sorry... we need ID to use the loo? Nobody see's anyone's birth certificate, ever.
I have no clue what she is talking about
Or does she
i agree that Hussain leant into the wrong end of the argument... to a point. Helena nailed it, i think, when she says that the actual legal framework is so unimportant to Badenoch that she isn't remotely prepared or willing to talk about that side of thing, and I think Hussain's persistent skewering of this highlighted the whole 'vibes' approach to this policy. Where it could have been improved, in hindsight, is if she had followed up that line of questioning with an exposure of that: 'Okay, you refuse to discuss the legal details, so are you effectively saying women's shelters are free to expel anyone they don't like the look of?'
This post is a very very deliberate intentional misrepresentation of what KB is saying. KB has the mental rigour that you hardly can match or surpass.
I like Kemi's conviction, honesty and intelligence. Her passion shines through. Perhaps her background in engineering explains her political acumen and sagacity.
The issues of our day are much more serious than all these gender nonsense. Listen to KB on other issues.
While China is busy with tech, innovation and brics, the US and the WEST are busy arguing over who’s a boy or girl and what pronouns to use
The problem is, you could use that argument against both sides in this debate, and both sides will use it about the other.
Whole concept is very confusing
It’s really not
I've said, and I'll say it again, Badenoch does not understand the Equalities Act and the provision's under sex discrimination that allows for single-sex spaces (that excludes trans people) where there is a justification to do so. Services are already well versed in safeguarding provisions for women, girls and transwomen. It's just innane at this point.
Just by talking she’s confusing
In emergency hit the ‘trans’ button. Embarrassing
Transgenderism has nothing to do with biology. Gender is a social construct.
Support & love your trans friends and family
Trans activists don't agree with you, though. They say that gender is a mystical, immutable thing that resides in your soul.
As gender is a social construct why should it take presidency over biological sex in respect to women's rights?
This is just a deliberate misrepresentarion of what Badenoch says.
How does anyone vote for her ?
She’s a little angry lady
That's no lady.....
Badenoch is in that post to roll back equality laws.
Just ask them to define gender and sex and watch the fireworks
"... She didn't care about the steps...."
I think that perfectly summarizes 99% of the tories issues surrounding Brexit too.
I care for not for any political party in the UK, I hate them all equally but please. Gender shouldn't be confusing. Biological sex is all we need to be worried about.
People are focusing on the trans issue here; but shouldn't men also have access to crisis centres? Shouldn't EVERYONE have somewhere to go in case they are violated in the worst way possible?
This isn't about winning votes, this is her positioning herself for a future leadership bid by signalling her prejudices.
The problem for the Tories is that if they were to address any actual problem that really matters to people, more often than not they're the cause of it.
She sweats poison, odious.
I really love this presenter, Moya; her pace at which she speaks along with her clarity and tone, makes you want to stop and listen. I find some of the other presenters a little too rushed, it is not nice to watch.
I know I should comment on the content... But just wanted to recognise Moya for her work 👍🏻👏🏻
It's Kemi Badenoch, of course she makes stuff more confusing.
If it's the law, then it will be by definition legal sex. Wtf?
Where is the argument for trans men? It doesn't exist does it?
The Tories would explode if a small boat transitioned to a dingy!
We have slightly bigger problems, we can circle back to this if we manage to avoid total socio-economic collapse.
People get so hung up on trans gender, people can be what the fuck they like it doesn’t offend me either way.
Why don’t the Tories focus on families, health, and cost of living things people care about!
Yes because identity politics pays bills and fills my fridge…crack on Tory’s 👍 I hate “Labour Tory Lite”, but I hate the “Brexit Tory’s” too
So, sex isn't immutable? That's an interesting concept, please expand.
obviously it's not, why do you think trans people transition? transitioning changes aspects of sex: hrt changes hormonal sex which changes secondary sex characteristics (i.e. the ones you develop during puberty), and if they have surgery that changes primary sex characteristics
@@flower4750 Don’t be silly. There are male gametes and female gametes. Women belong to the sex class that produces large gametes. This is how biological sex in mammals is defined. Changing secondary sex characteristics does not change a person’s biological sex. Surgery changes features of appearance, it does not fundamentally change a person’s biological sex. So, you need to start by defining sex. By the way, you also need to define ‘trans’, because modern gender ideology does not require people to do any of the things you mention for them to be ‘trans’ and, according to the ideology, literally a woman.
Can I change my political party, please? Never vote conservative.
Why is she on about all this culture war crap with all thats wrong with the country after 14 years of Tory negligence ?
There is real stuff going on out there, economy a mess, war looming and still we focus on useless classifications for .0001% of the population
1:50 did you call him Lead Balls? lol
What does the word "gender" actually mean? If you just use the word "sex" exclusively, then all confusion vanishes. The phantasm called "gender" disappears.
Agreed.
Go Kemi
Go home, Kemi? I agree. Hopefully she'll lose her seat and have to
Uttlesford please vote Badenoch out, then you can say Go Kemi.
Because she doesn't have an answer, she claims it is a hypothetical question! How else can issues be discussed, if likely scenarios can't be raised? Not just incompetent but clearly disingenuous.
I’m not sure you can criticise ‘the framing’ of an interview extract out of context. Mishal did an incredible job of exposing the lie at the heart of the Tory position: They care about the welfare of vulnerable people.
Ah yes, straight from the Michael Gove school of babbling idiocy!!!
It is a vote winner, too say it is not is disingenuous.
Badenough .
Kemi has quite a deep voice. I'd like to see her original birth certificate
I do feel there's a lot of misunderstanding, and in some cases outright misinformation about the equality act.
First of all, single sex spaces were not hard won rights codified in the equality act, as some people like to claim. Single sex spaces are an exemption to the equality act that existed before.
It is my understanding that the "clarification" she wants to provide is already how the law is judged.
If a service can argue that it cannot reasonably provide its service if it's made to provide it to trans women as well as cis women, it is allowed to do so.
To the best of my knowledge there's only one women's refuge that has even tried to do that, and it's the one fronted by jkr, because most actual refuges know that trans women aren't a threat to vulnerable women and often are vulnerable women needing refuge.
It's sad, I remember the bathroom bill debates in America decades ago and feeling smug that at least we in Britain weren't that bad. How naive I was.
And how is this moron going to enforce this?
Bad-Enoch
This is one of the dumbest politician ever and to think she wants to be PM
Love your new hair style Moya