She wasn't forgotten but what does that have to do with Knox's and Sollecito's guilt or innocence? I think Sollecito was just as "forgotten" by many people as Kercher. You can blame the media for that. It's the Brit tabloids like The Sun and Daily Mail and the Italian papers that made this about Knox because that's what sold.
We've got a couple of books from the Old Palace School library my sister never gave back that have a record in their checkout log of Meredith borrowing them. Quite spooky really. I have no idea how we ended up having them, when Meredith was killed my sister had already left the school, must've been dumb luck.
According to the FINAL VERDICT of the Italian courts: 1) Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher. 2) Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder. 3) Due to the lack of defensive wounds and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder. 4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan. 5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery. 6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer. It had been disinfected with bleach. But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because hey their respective DNA could have gotten there any random way. 7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok. 8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive. So a lot of interesting coincidences. But that's all they are my friends.
1) "Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher." Nope. She was finally sentenced to THREE years, not four. Marasca MR, pg 56: "Recalculates the sentence imposed upon appellant Amanda Maria Knox for the crime of calumny in three years of confinement." 2) "Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder." Based on solely on her calunnia false confession, which, curiously, never mentions Sollecito being there. 3) "Due to the lack of defensive wounds" Kercher had 3 defensive wounds on her hands. The same knife could have made all the knife wounds on Kercher. "b. That detected at the level of the palm of the right hand and the II and III fingers of the left hand can be traced back to possible "defensive injuries" occurred in an invalid attempt to oppose the knife." (Lalli autopsy report, pg. 68_ 4) "...and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder" Prof. F. Vinci's assessment of the wounds completely disagreed: " All the stab wounds reported by Meredith Kercher are perfectly compatible with the use of a single knife whose dimensions are comparable to the traces found on the mattress cover in the room of the victim and referred to in frames n.171, 173 and 174 (progressive numbering of the images collected on the DVD prepared by the Scientific Police." (Vinci Report, June 30, 2009, pg 31_) 5)"4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan." LOL! Knox agreed that is what Guede was convicted of, not that he did not, in fact, 'act alone'. 6) "5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery." There were no other assailants which is why zero evidence of any person except Guede and Kercher was found in her bedroom. 7) "6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer." LOL! Are you freaking kidding me? Sollecito's DNA was NEVER claimed to be on the knife, not even by the prosecution or Police Scientifc Officr Stefanoni who did the analysis. Amanda's was found...because she used the knife to cook with. 8) "It had been disinfected with bleach." Again, LOL! If it was cleaned with bleach, then how the hell could Stefanoni claim Kercher's DNA was on the blade? BLEACH DESTROYS DNA. That's why it's used to clean lab. Your claims just get more and more stupid. 9) "7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. " Nope. The conclusion of the two independent, court appointed forensic experts: " we do not accept the conclusions regarding the certain attribution of the profile found on trace B (blade of knife) to the victim Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher, since the genetic profile, as obtained, appears unreliable insofar as it is not supported by scientifically validated analysis" (Conti & Vecchiotti report, ITEM 36 (KNIFE)) 10)..."But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok." It wasn't non-conclusive at all and the clasp wasn't 'hidden'; it was found across the room in a pile of dust and dirt 6 WEEKS LATER. But how was it likely contaminated? Gee...maybe because the police video shows the incompetent scientific police Stefanoni TOUCHING IT WITH HER DIRTY GLOVE THAT SHE ADMITTED SHE HAD NOT CHANGED AFTER TOUCHING OTHER OBJECTS, DROPPING IT ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN PASSING IT AROUND TO OTHER OFFICERS WITH THEIR DIRTY GLOVES? But, OK 11) "8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive." Oh, dear. NONE of Amanda's DNA was found in Meredith's room! No DNA, no fingerprints, not foot-shoe prints...nada: "However, a matter of undoubted significance in favour of the appellants, in the sense that it excludes their material participation in the murder, even if it is hypothesised that they were present in the house on via della Pergola, CONSISTS OF THE ABSOLUTE LACK OF BIOLOGICAL TRACES ATTRIBUTABLE TO THEM (except the clasp which will be dealt with further on) IN THE MURDER ROOM OR ON THE VICTIM'S BODY, where instead numerous traces attributable to Guede were found. It is indisputably IMPOSSIBLE that traces attributable to the appellants would not have been found at the crime scene had they taken part in Kercher’s murder (the room was of small dimensions: 2.91 x 3.36 m, as shown in the plan reproduced in f: 76)." (Marasca-Bruno Report, pg 47-48) Try again.
@@mytrip6991 Jeez they really are paying you by the word. Good luck affording those rising bills. I'm feel bad for you that soon the McCann case will be aired for all to see and such trolling won't work anymore. Not that you are convincing anyone anyway haha
I was backpacking through europe when this was going, It was everywhere. The details being printed seemed so twisted and absurd it was impossible to figure out what the hell had actually happened.
Yeah Ive seen this case many times, even tried watching documentaries and timelines about it, but it is such a clusterfuck that Im still confused as hell.
Why did she accuse her Black boss of the murder? He was easily cleared, he was catering to his patrons when the crime occurred. She also lied about being in her apartment that night and seeing Lumumba there, when in fact she was with Solecito. This is a web of lies, and she only has herself to blame for what happened after. It was obvious she though Italy would be like the USA where it's enough to blame some black guy to walk free.
1). She didn't bring up her boss, Patrick Lumumba; the police did. The police misinterpreted her text to him acknowledging his text telling her not to come to work that night. She said "Ok, see you later. Good night". The police insisted that meant she planned a meeting with him "later" that night. She denied repeatedly that she had met him or taken him to the cottage but the police calling her a liar. The interpreter told her she had 'traumatic amnesia" and that she'd remember "the truth" if she just kept trying. She had no lawyer which was legally required and the interrogation was not audio or video recorded. The police wrote up the "confession" and she signed it after being worn down. That confession was ruled to be inadmissible in the murder trial due to her right to a lawyer being violated. This is all in the court records. Your need to resort to allegations of racism just shows you have little knowledge of the facts of the case. You do know the actual, convicted, just released from prison murderer--Rudy Guede-- is black? If she were involved she'd know that and, according to you, just have named him if all she wanted was to blame a black guy.
@The Hand 1) "She had the opportunity to say her statement was false. She let him stay in jail. To this day, she has not apologized." False. She said in her written statement, aka First Memorial" given to the police the very same day that "In regards to this "confession" that I made last night, I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the veritity [sic] of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly. I understand that the police are under a lot of stress, so I understand the treatment I received," and "However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am convinced that they unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my mind has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I'm unsure about the truth and here's why: " In these flashbacks that I'm having I see Patrik as the murderer, but the way the truth feels in my mind, there is no way for me to have known, because I don't remember FOR SURE if I was at my house that night." She is clearly stating that what she said in her 'confession' isn't reliable, including about Patrick. Yet the police kept him in jail with ZERO evidence against him for two weeks. She had no lawyer which was against both Italian and EU law and the interrogation had no audio or video recording. 2) She also DID apologize to Lumumba in court November 30, 2007: “I want to tell the truth. I’m sorry about Patrick. I’m sorry about the whole situation. I’m innocent.” She apologized to him again in her Dec. 11, 2010 appeal statement in court: "Patrick? I don’t see you. But I’m sorry. I’m sorry because I didn’t mean to do wrong to do you. I was very naïve and not courageous at all; I should have been able to withstand the pressures that caused me to do harm to you. I didn’t mean to contribute to what you have suffered. You know what it means to have unjust accusations imposed on your skin. You didn’t deserve what you experienced and I hope you will be able to find peace.” 3) "The court said that she is guilty of defamation, but you blame the police. Concerning the judgement of the court, you want it both ways." Not the same Supreme Court, that was the Chieffi SC that also sent the case back again to Nencini basically with instructions to convict the pair. Which they did. The ECHR has ruled that her defamtion conviction is 'unfair' as her statements were made during an illegal interrogation without a lawyer or a neutral translator. Italy had to pay her $21,000 in compensation and must present a plan on how they will rectify it. 4) "The monster in this murder is not the black guy Guede. The monster in this murder is the white woman Knox. Racism is why people are interested in this incident and why white people defend her." What a load of crap. GUEDE killed Kercher. It was HIS DNA inside her, on her jacket, on her bra and in her blood on her purse. It's HIS fingerprints in her blood. It's HIS bloody shoeprints under and around her body. You just need an excuse NOT to blame a black man for your own agenda. ALL the evidence points directly to him. 5) " It is a pitiable denial of guilt and a hideous appeal to racist tendencies." I've got news for you: sometimes black people ARE guilty just like people of any other color, ethnicity or religion. You clearly are the one with a race problem. It's not we who look at the evidence and not the color of Guede's skin.
@The Hand LOL! They smoked some weed like everyone else, including Kercher, the Italian roommates, and the boys who lived downstairs. Weed doesn't turn you into homicidal maniacs; it's a depressant. You get the munchies and relaxed..mellow. Their hair tests taken upon their arrests showed NO NARCOTICS of any kind in their systems. Unlike blood and urine, hair does not lose its traces of drugs over time. The prosecution's many unproven and bizarre motives that were changed more often than underwear were insulting. Y So tell me what EVIDENCE puts them in Kercher's bedroom where the murder took place.
@The Hand I did read your statement and your use of "high on drugs" instead of "marijuana" was, I believe, intentional. You do have 'knowledge of their ingestion' now thanks to me: they had no narcotics in their system. As I said, weed makes you relaxed and with a hazy memory; it does not lead to suddenly and without motive killing someone. Their alibi before the illegal and coercive interrogation of Nov. 5/6 was that they spent the evening at RS's apartment watching a movie, eating dinner, and going to bed. It was still their alibie after retracting their coerced and illegally obtained statements during the interrogation. "It allows multiple possibilities and it allows denial." What a silly statement. " The LAPD framed OJ but he still murdered his wife." At least we agree to that. But there was also sufficient evidence of his guilty without the disputed evidence of Mark Fuhrman. That jury was not going to convict him if they had a video of the murder in front of them. Speaking of dishonest cops, Science Officer Stefanoni failed to reveal in court the fact that ALL the luminol revealed 'footprints' assigned to Knox in the cottage tested NEGATIVE for blood with TMB. It took a defense expert witness to find and present in court the negative tests that Stefanoni had run. Yet Stefanoni repeatedly used the term "luminol revealed' suggesting they were, indeed, made in Kercher's blood. So much so that Judge Massei, even after acknowledging that the blood tests were negative, claimed they were in Kercher's blood!
I remember how much clamor this story had in Italy. I was just a boy at the time and didn't really understand what had happened, but it must have been one of the most famous cases of my generation. And here I am now, scared by the fact that, through all those spotlights, I have never heard this girl speak.
It goes to show just how powerful the media is. From propaganda to speculation to embedding thoughts and emotions you wouldn't otherwise have... it's really really scary actually. I shouldn't just say media but government actors in society etc. There's been huge atrocities committed by group think. (Found the word/ answer I was really looking for through rambling lol) GROUP THINK... IT IS dangerous!
A serious of unfortunate coincidences lead people to think she’s guilty. 1. Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it. 2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning. 3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two. 4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent. 5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious. I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up.
"1) Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it.' Repeated tests found no blood on the knife. (Forensic reports Stefanoni and Conti/Vecchiotti) "2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning." Knox never bought any bleach. (Testimony Quintavalle store owner, no bottles found in cottage, no evidence of a clean up per court records) "3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two." No wounds were found on Knox per doctor examination Nov. 6, 2007. No evidence of a struggle between Knox and Kercher. "4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent." What are 'all the traits of a liar'? Those things that you believe are lies because you see everything through guilt colored glasses? "5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious" Yeah, having a new romantic relationship and not wanting to be disturbed or called into work when being unexpectedly given the night off due to slow business is just so....so...so....illogical. New lovers would never do that! "I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up." Yeah. Like what are the chances that not a single piece of forensic evidence could place Knox in the room where Kercher was violently sexually assaulted and stabbed to death with a knife? But Guede left bloody shoeprints under and around the body, fingerprint/palm print in blood under the body, and his DNA in her body, on her clothes, and in blood on her purse? Go figure.
@@mytrip6991 “No evidence of Meredith’s blood on the knife”. And yet we know it had been there because Rafa told us she’d had a vegetable chopping accident. Likewise, for Amanda’s ears. She told us they were all leaky. How unfortunate in both cases. All that blood getting spread around. I’ve seen you replying to every comment on every knox video. Literally thousands of comments in total. I can only asssume you’re employed by her team.
@@petelovatt8357 amanda knox's team is on the offence. I think that they are trying to win people over to their cause,because in 2024 rudy guede also might write a book.
@@Hangar.18 Unfortunately, Rudy has changed his story a few times just like Amanda and Raf., so he has no credibility either. However, I think if you wade through the lies there are a few truths in there. He said he knew Raf and they’d smoked weed together. He also said an argument broke out between the girls because Meredith accused Amanda of stealing her money. I can see this being true as well. If Rudy gives us the same chit about “it all happened while I was on the toilet” then his book won’t count for much. However, if he decides to own up AND include Amanda and Raf’s involvement, then he’s probably hovering closer to the truth than any version of the story yet. I wouldn’t count on it though. He’s a turd.
@@mytrip6991 I was a soccer player in Perugia at the time. Rudy would often cone and drink with us at our team apartment. He was known as a dodgy petty criminal. Yes it was stupid for us to be hanging out with him but we were young and stupid back then. As soon as he was named as a suspect the whole team knew it was him. Meredith's house was on the same road as ours. He must have scoped the place out when walking to or from our apartments. Amanda was known as a nice polite person amongst all the students. Absolute BS to pin it on her.
@@kiwikicker9263 I've read from others who knew him that he would steal out of girls' purses when he could. There's no doubt he was a thief/burglar. His neighbor on Via dell Canerino had her house burgled and burned down and her gold watch was stolen. A woman's gold watch was found in Guede's backpack by police but it went missing. I have no doubt he was responsible for that, too. You lived on Via della Pergola or Viale Saint Antonio? I get so pissed off when I hear people claim "poor Rudy" was just a victim of racism. Did you know that he's been charged with beating up and raping his former girlfriend in Viturbo? He's awaiting trial. I hope they send his sorry ass back to prison.
Her personality is very unlikeable and cold. I believe she knows something and never describes her relationship with Rudy here. 4 years in prison = 4 million dollar book contract.
What relationship? She served him a drink once or twice as part of her job and spent a brief amount of time in the same apartment with him along with Meredith and the boys who lived there. There is no testimony that they even spoke to each other then except for a brief introduction. Eight+ years physical, mental, financial ordeal running up millions of dollars in debt = more than 4 million dollar book contract.
@@monicanath4859 I agree with you about the murder case, but hate to tell you that Tang is a bot not a real person, TH-cam is getting plagued with them at the mo.
I'm from Italy and I was 10 when this case happened. I remember very clearly the 4 to 5 years that followed the fact, all the news and the media talked exclusively about Amanda and the whole case, at least 4 times a week. It was exhausting to say the least.
It goes to show just how powerful the media is. From propaganda to speculation to embedding thoughts and emotions you wouldn't otherwise have... it's really really scary actually. I shouldn't just say media but government actors in society etc. There's been huge atrocities committed by group think. (Found the word/ answer I was really looking for through rambling lol) GROUP THINK... IT IS dangerous!
I was hoping that we would take Italy to war for imprisoning one of our citizens. I still think we should've and sent a message to the world that America will not tolerate that type of barbaric mistreatment of our people.
@@mattrutledge6840 dumbest comment ever. Italy is an ally genius, just because they made a mistake doesn't mean any other innocent should get hurt. It's not teaching anyone a lesson but how much of a bully ppl like you are
@Raindropsonroses - I’ve read her book and seen the interviews she conducted called “The Scarlet Letter Reports.” They show that she is very caring and thoughtful.
@@TheWchurchill4pm Which is how her friends describe her; friends she's had since childhood. Friends who not only stood by her throughout this decade long ordeal forming a group "Friends of Amanda" to help her, but who flew to Perugia to testify to her character and one, Madison Paxton, who moved to Perugia to be there for her. 'Narcissistic psychopaths' don't have friends like that. But these armchair psychologists who know virtually nothing about her except for the tabloid nonsense they and the prosecution created, feel entitled to declare they know she's a psychotic narcissist. Dunning -Kruger at its finest!
Your refusal to address the fact that not a single trace of Knox was found in Kercher's bedroom and attempt to redirect is duly noted. Also noted: your failure to acknowledge that only FIVE samples were taken in Romanelli's room while 160 were taken in Kercher's room.
How does a PR group affect the forensic evidence in a trial? Did it remove all traces of Knox's and Sollecito's invisible DNA and invisible fingerprints or their bloody foot/shoe prints?
@The hand Yes, we've gone over it and you continue to be intellectually dishonest. You dishonestly try to equate not finding a trace of Guede in Filomena's room WHERE NO STRUGGLE TOOK PLACE and where ONLY 5 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN to a room where allegedly 3 PEOPLE VIOLENTLY ASSAULTED AND HELD DOWN A FOURTH PERSON AND WHERE 160 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN. Again, you fail to mention that TWO forensic experts not paid by either the defense or the prosecution found the LCN DNA trace of Sollecito on one tiny hook to be the product of contamination by a third party due to the videotaped failure of the police scientific officers to collect the bra clasp until 6 weeks later after numerous people were in and out of that room and where objects had been tossed around AND where Stefanoni is taped touching that exact tiny bra hook with a visibly dirty and admittedly unchanged glove. How do you account for the DNA of at least 2 other men on that same tiny hook? Are you going to claim two other men touched that bra hook? WHERE are Sollecito's bloody shoe prints in Kercher's room? Where are his fingerprints? NOWHERE. Do you want to claim that he cleaned up all his other invisible DNA and fingerprints and only HIS bloody shoe prints? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying. There is ZERO evidence either Knox or Sollecito left her lamp in Kercher's bedroom. Since Knox had NO OTHER SOURCE OF ARTIFICIAL LIGHT in her bedroom other than that lamp, logic says one of them would have noticed she had no light in her own bedroom during the multiple hours of darkness between the murder and dawn. Or do you think they just fumbled around in the dark? Use your brain.
@PowerfulJRE Forget the media forget that she's American for a moment and make a timeline of all the events in detail of both her version and Rudy Guede's, then make your own opinion. The very few people who really did their homework know that she and Sollecito know more than they let out.
I have and it supports she's telling the truth. Even Guede's timeline supports Kercher was attacked shortly after arriving home and just about 30-40 minutes after the cartoon playing on Sollecito's computer stops. But in that short time, they go from watching a cartoon to deciding to go to her apartment for some unknown reason, picking up a guy that Sollecito has never met and Knox has met briefly, to sexually assaulting and murdering a girl for no reason. Yeah, right. How do you explain the complete and total absence of any forensic evidence of Knox or Sollecito in that room while there is varied and copious forensic evidence of Guede? Guede who had a very clear motive and a history of theft?
@@mytrip6991 In order to believe that Knox and Sollecito are innocent, you have to overlook the following: Knox's accusation against her employer, a claim she made after less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed (not 40, like Team Knox would have you believe - this is a proven fact) and stuck to for 3 weeks, letting her innocent boss rot in jail all the while. The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom. The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before. Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp - with a 16 loci match, the probability that the DNA belongs to someone else is one in a trillion, and with only ONE other DNA trace of him in the cottage (cigarette butt) the idea of contamination is near impossible. Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade. Sollectio tried to explain this by saying he had accidentally pricked Meredith with his knife while she had been at his house. She had never been there. The THREE sets of bloody footprints, one a match for Guede, one a match for Sollecito, and one in Knox’s size, in her own DNA, mixed with Meredith’s. The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito, and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened. The blatantly staged crime scene, with glass on TOP of the clothes strewn around, a near impossible window entry point, and not a single trace of Guede anywhere in that room, not to mention the fact Knox and Sollecito ‘knew’ nothing had been taken before anyone had even looked. The fact that Guede’s footprints lead right out Meredith’s room out the front door and he has an alibi for the rest of the night, meaning we KNOW it wasn’t Guede who returned to the scene hours later, staged a burglary, cleaned up and moved the body. The fact that Knox’s lamp was found in Meredith’s room with no fingerprints whatsoever - more proof of a clean up. The incredible amount of changes in her account before, during, and after she was arrested. Total lack of alibi after multiple attempts, and then Sollecito withdrawing his alibi for her. Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder, including her lies about Meredith’s locked door, her reaction to the blood, and the contradictions to this she makes in her testimony, email home, and in her book. The fact Knox knew several details about her murder she could not possibly have known: cause of death, position of body, that there had been more than one attacker, that Meredith had been assaulted etc. The frantic call she made to her mother in the middle of the night that she ‘forgets’ making. The witness who saw her and Sollecito by the cottage on the murder night. The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping. And I can go on, and on, and on. My point is that, whatever opinion people have as to their guilty or innocence, there is enough evidence to convict, and however many times those claims of “no evidence" are repeated, it doesn't make it true
@@RYANTHEORY_ When you need to copy and paste Troll Les Grossman's misleading post, that tells me a lot. I've addressed this particular one before. I'll post it here. I suggest you read it and learn: " The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom." When DNA is deposited cannot be dated. That is a scientific fact. Finding the mixed DNA of people who live together and share the same bathroom is common and expected. The DNA does not have to be left at the same time and can be day, weeks or months apart. They become mixed when the sample swab wipes up both sets of DNA. It's like taking a yellow crayon and coloring over a red crayon marking; you'll get orange. "less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed "? The official beginning time of that interrogation was 11:00 but questioning actually began closer to 10:30 per the testimony of Ficarra who was the interrogator. The first statement was at 1:45. Unless "Mike Hunt" uses different math than the rest of us, that is not 'under TWO HOURS". "The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before." Two small drops on the faucet were not proved to be deposited on the day of the murder. Just because Knox says she didn't see it on Nov. 1 is not proof it wasn't there. Logic says if she had seen it, she'd have cleaned it up. At the very least, she'd have lied and said she saw it but forgot to clean it. No wounds or cuts were found on Knox. "Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp"....along with the DNA of at least two other unidentified men. Did those two men also touch MK's bra hook? Two independent, court appointed...not police...forensic experts (Conti and Vecchiotti) determined that DNA was not reliable evidence and most likely due to contamination resulting from the egregious failure to follow anti-contamination protocols by the police. "the idea of contamination is near impossible". Not according to the police video which shows the hook being touched by a visibly dirty glove, handed around to several officers also wearing gloves that Stefanoni admitted were not changed between handling evidence. "Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade" Meredith's DNA was not on the blade as concluded by two independent, court assigned forensic experts. Experts who had more advanced degrees in forensics and more experience then Stefanoni who claimed MK's DNA was on the blade. Nor was any blood found on the knife after repeated testing. The only way to remove all traces was by soaking in bleach...which would have destroyed any existing DNA. "The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito" Not according to Prof. Vinci who used Crimescope, a forensic lighting tool used to make photos more visible, and who also examined the mat in person, neither of which the prosecution expert did. He excluded Sollecito. "and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened." There is no forensic evidence of a clean up. None. Logic says that, if that were Sollecito's print, the pair would have removed the rug or at least washed it. Instead, they pointed it out to the police. i could continue with the rest of his lies, but i think I've proved what a liar he is.
For people that are not trained to resist interrogation after 24 hours of constant interrogation you won’t even remember the truth once the hunger fatigue fear and delirium sets in
That’s true except she willingly was interrogated for a short time. Like 4 hours. I’ve had a 14 hour work day in the Chicago winter outside and it never caused me to hallucinate
You have to be trained so as to only answer with truth or information that you are aware of. You cannot answer speculative questions and for most questions your answer is just going to be no comment as you truly are not going to be able to answer the question.
@@TheWchurchill4pm My focus was on Meredith, whom the interviewer called "this Meredith girl" why call her "this ... girl" Lumumba never got an apology from Amanda, which is pretty sad and extremely unfortunate.
Yeah, police are allowed to lie to get confessions. You think it's bad, but remember all people committing crimes lie when caught. At least 99 percent of them do. You wouldn't think it was so bad if police lied to get a confession of your mom's murderer.
In order to believe that Knox and Sollecito are innocent, you have to overlook the following: Knox's accusation against her employer, a claim she made after less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed (not 40, like Team Knox would have you believe - this is a proven fact) and stuck to for 3 weeks, letting her innocent boss rot in jail all the while. The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom. The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before. Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp - with a 16 loci match, the probability that the DNA belongs to someone else is one in a trillion, and with only ONE other DNA trace of him in the cottage (cigarette butt) the idea of contamination is near impossible. Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade. Sollectio tried to explain this by saying he had accidentally pricked Meredith with his knife while she had been at his house. She had never been there. The THREE sets of bloody footprints, one a match for Guede, one a match for Sollecito, and one in Knox’s size, in her own DNA, mixed with Meredith’s. The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito, and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened. The blatantly staged crime scene, with glass on TOP of the clothes strewn around, a near impossible window entry point, and not a single trace of Guede anywhere in that room, not to mention the fact Knox and Sollecito ‘knew’ nothing had been taken before anyone had even looked. The fact that Guede’s footprints lead right out Meredith’s room out the front door and he has an alibi for the rest of the night, meaning we KNOW it wasn’t Guede who returned to the scene hours later, staged a burglary, cleaned up and moved the body. The fact that Knox’s lamp was found in Meredith’s room with no fingerprints whatsoever - more proof of a clean up. The incredible amount of changes in her account before, during, and after she was arrested. Total lack of alibi after multiple attempts, and then Sollecito withdrawing his alibi for her. Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder, including her lies about Meredith’s locked door, her reaction to the blood, and the contradictions to this she makes in her testimony, email home, and in her book. The fact Knox knew several details about her murder she could not possibly have known: cause of death, position of body, that there had been more than one attacker, that Meredith had been assaulted etc. The frantic call she made to her mother in the middle of the night that she ‘forgets’ making. The witness who saw her and Sollecito by the cottage on the murder night. The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping. Her overall behaviour after the murder. And I can go on, and on, and on. My point is that, whatever opinion people have as to their guilty or innocence, there is enough evidence to convict, and however many times those claims of “no evidence" are repeated, it doesn't make it true.
@Mike Hunt Excellent but not exhaustive list. She framed her boss accusing him of rape and murder. She was convicted of that. Why is that always overlooked?
1:23 "There wasn't A LOT of... obviously, there wasn't any evidence". Still a prolific liar 14 year's later, as well as a convicted felon precisely due to her penchant for deception.
She isn't a convicted felon in the US and that calunnia conviction will be annulled once Italy follows through with the ECHR judgement. You explain how only Guede left multiple forensic evidence of himself in that room and Knox left ZERO. "Italy's top criminal court has scathingly faulted prosecutors for presenting a flawed and hastily constructed case against Amanda Knox and her former Italian boyfriend, saying Monday it threw out their convictions for the 2007 murder of her British roommate in part because there was no proof they were in the bedroom where the woman was fatally stabbed." "It wrote there was an "absolute lack of biological traces" of Knox, an American, or of co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito in the room or on the victim's body. It slammed the quality of the prosecution's case from the start. The path of the case took was "objectively wavering, whose oscillations are ... the result also of stunning weakness or investigative bouts of amnesia and of blameworthy omissions of investigative activity," the court wrote. Had the investigation not been so shaky, "in all probability" the defendants' guilt or innocence could have been determined from the earliest stages, the panel said."
@@mytrip6991 No, she's a convicted felon in the country she served three years of prison time for attempting to frame an innocent man - the same country she was twice found guilty of sexual homicide in. The Calunnia conviction still stands. Keep waiting.
@@alabama.worley That would have been the police who decided she met up with Lumumba because they believed the 7 woolen fibers that the coroner had collected from her genital area were hairs. That is exactly what was listed on their sample report: sample obtained: hairs and then the result: all wool fibers. So, they already suspected a black man was involved. And guess who had a gray wool cap? Guede. I bet you thought Knox was going to lose her ECHR case too. She didn't. Italy has already acknowledged the 2019 ruling and paid her what they were ordered to: $21,000. Now Italy has to submit an 'Action Plan' which explains how the applicant will be restored to her condition before the violations (the “individual measures”) and explain how the state will prevent such violations in the future (the “general measures”). The Action Plan is sent to the Council of Europe’s Committee of Ministers (CoM), which supervises respondent states in their obligations to follow the final judgments of the ECHR. Italy is extremely slow at this...one of the worst in Europe because they have so many judgements against them. About the only way they can "restore" Knox to her pre-interrogation status is to annul/vacate the calunnia conviction. They cannot use her interrogation statements against her now as the ECHR ruled Italy had violated her rights during that interrogation. The last conviction is going the way of the murder conviction. I love how you always mention she was convicted TWICE but BOTH those were ANNULLED TWICE.
Yes, "questioning your own sanity" is an actual thing that happens to people during interrogation, people literally end up confessing to crimes against people they've never even met... It's a legit psychological phenomenon that occurs. And FYI Amanda didn't even confess....Amanda is an inspiration.....the prosecution and the media harassed and literally made a disgusting fiction out of such a young girl (barely an adult), in a foreign country with less than child's communication skills...the legal system of Italy lied to a 20 year old, that she's HIV positive! They didn't even tell her what she was being imprisoned for! The media published her private diary..
@@gizzyguzzi She wasn't brought in, her boyfriend was called and she just went with him, when she was there she talked to the police and if you are not a suspect in Italy you don't need to have a lawyer, you can ask for one but you can still release a statement
hard to call it out for sure, but she hid so many things and changed versions so many times that her self-proclaimed complete innocence is hard to believe
She did in her two written statement she gave to the police on Nov. 6 and Nov. 7. They just chose to ignore them...until they could no longer when no forensics of Lumumba in the cottage came back but Guede's handprint in Kercher's blood was identified from his immigration record. And when enough people had placed him in his bar that night including a Swiss teacher.
@@mytrip6991 she wrote only 1 statement. In that statement she did not retract the accusation,but questioned the reliability thereof. The accusation did stand,but in case of proof of Lumumba's innocence,she weakened the severity of her slander. Well played!
@@Hangar.18 Nope. There was a second written statement on Nov. 7: Knox gave the second written statement (aka second memoriale) to prison Vice-commmandante, Raffaele Argiro, on Nov. 7 and he gave it to the police on Nov. 8 per his testimony on July 7, 2009 (Transcript pg.73) From Knox's June 12, 2009 testimony: "L Ghirga: All right Amanda, okay. Thank you. So you went to prison and spent the night. When did you write the second memorial? A Knox: So in prison I again asked for paper, because that's how I'm used to expressing myself, the way I succeed best, also to organize my thoughts, I needed to write them down. I needed to reorganize all my thoughts, because at that point I was still confused, I still had these images in my memory that finally I understood were a mixture of real images in my memory from other days mixed with imagination. So I needed those pieces of paper, so I could take everything and put it in order." This is the pertinent part of the second memoriale: "This is what happened and I could swear by it. I’m sorry I didn’t remember before and I’m sorry I said I could have been at the house when it happened. I said these things because I was confused and scared. I didn’t lie when I said I thought the killer was Patrick. I was very stressed at the time and I really did think he was the murderer. But now I remember that I can’t know who the murderer was because I didn’t return back to the house. I know the police will not be happy about this, but it’s the truth."
@@mytrip6991 instead of remorse for pinning it on an innocent man,she is purely interested in removing herself as a witness at the crime scene. Which would lead her on a path to jail. The police saw through it and therefor the original signed statement was upheld. The real retraction would be: I lied,I tried to pin murder on an innocent man.
@@mytrip6991 she had her head in the noose. She was the one who allegedly met up with Patrick. She was the one who was witness to the murder and did nothing. It's a tiny step from witness to acomplice from there.
One of the first cases I learned about that was just solid "The media don't care what the truth is, if it bleeds it leads" Easy to see how we've gotten here when journalistic integrity is completely butchered
The only weapon that will never fall to technology is propaganda. It’s actually much easier to control the herd these days considering everyone has a small computer in their possession 24/7. All one needs to do is look at the Trump coverage from 2016 to now. It’s absolutely absurd the lengths MSM/Social media goes to twist, gaslight and manipulate.
@MR IV DNA doesn't lie, the Italian authorities aren't well known for their police work. The prosecutor has become a national joke. People who think Amanda Knox is guilty are just a little slow. Seriously. The guilty guys DNA everywhere. Italian authorities are like, "witchcraft". Better be glad that didn't happen to you in another country.
Do you know the worst part of all of this? Nobody can even remember the name of the victim who was raped and murdered. All of a sudden Amanda Knox is now the victim. She still knew about it and didn't tell the full truth to the police.
You mean Meredith Kercher? You know, there can be more than one victim in a crime: the victim of the actual crime and the person/people wrongfully imprisoned and vilified for years for something they never did. People who have to deal with being insulted, called horrible names including 'psychopath', 'slut', and 'narcissist and who have to deal with every other consequence that results from being branded a killer for the rest of their lives. People who are judged by ignorant people who know virtually nothing about the actual facts of the case except for what they read in tabloids and on TH-cam. Meredith was a victim of Rudy Guede and Knox and Sollecito who were his victims as well. She had nothing to do with the murder.
I can dispute that. The victim was Meredith Kercher. So, at least one person knows. Honestly, if you're going to blame someone for "no one" knowing the victim's name, blame the media and the prosecutor. They were the ones who sensationalized and rhapsodized over Amanda Knox.
Why? What evidence convinces you that she was involved and that she "knows more than she says"? Technically speaking, there is no diagnosis for "psychopath"; it's called Anti-Social Personality Disorder. In order to be diagnosed with ASPD, "psychopathic" behavior must manifest before the age of 15. Knox has no such history. In fact, she had many friends from childhood and school and was known to be kind and gentle according to her teachers and schoolmates. Nor has she displayed anti-social, violent tendencies, or any other "psychopathic" behaviors since the murder. Psychopaths are not "one off, let's kill my roommate for no reason" killers who live normal lives otherwise. Not a single witness testified to ever hearing Knox say a negative word about Kercher or knowing of any discord between them; no fights, no raised voices, etc. Every witness, including the boy downstairs that Kercher was seeing, said they had a 'normal friendship'. So, really, what do you base your belief on that "She is a psychopath, that's for sure,: and that she was 'involved"?
@@mytrip6991 First off: Who does not fucking now, what happened at a evening. First she said it was her boss. Than she said, she does not know, than she said it was Guide. Wtf. Sorry thats bullshit. I'm convinced it was here together with Guide and her Italian friend. She just had good lawyers. That's it.
@@skyjumper8652 You don't know enough about this case to even spell "Guede" correctly or to know the name of her boyfriend: Raffaele Sollecito. The COURT said it was Guede, not Knox. She never named him until after his arrest and the forensic evidence pointed directly to him. It was his DNA, fingerprints in Kercher's blood and shoe prints in her blood that identified him. not Knox. I asked specifically what evidence convinces you that that she was involved and that she's a psychopath and you failed to answer either. Why?
@@mytrip6991 why does she say, someone completely not involved into it was the the murderer. First she didn't even mension, that they knew Guede. They knew him from playing Basketball. I tel you what happened. Guede came at home. They played together than convinced her, to try having sex together. Than one of them killed her. Maybe it's not her, maybe it's the Italian. I can't profe that, but why was DNA found later on underwear of her, which was identified as Solecitos? He was a creep. Maybe he was it. Don't know. But I know, that she knows something she does not say.
@@skyjumper8652 1) "why does she say, someone completely not involved into it was the the murderer." Knox's boss, Patrick Lumumba, had texted her not to come into work as it was slow that night. Knox deleted it. The police looked at Knox's cell phone and found her reply text to him. She wrote, "Certo. Ce vediamo piu tarde. Buona serata" which means "Sure. See you later. Good night." The name "Patrick" appeared at the top of the text. The police believed this was actually a message confirming that she was going to meet Lumumba later that night. Her chief interrogator, Rita Ficarra, admitted this in her court testimony. The prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini, presented this text, minus the "Good night" part, to the judge as evidence of her meeting Lumumba in order to get the arrest warrant. That is how his name came up. She did not offer it; the police rushed to a conclusion. From that point on, the police became fixated on Lumumba and convinced that Knox met him and took him to the cottage. The Chief of Police, Arturo de Felice, confirmed himself to the press that very morning that this is what they believed and that Knox's denials were lies: "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles." 2)"First she didn't even mension, that they knew Guede. They knew him from playing Basketball." False. Knox had served him a drink one time at the bar she worked at. The only other time was when Amanda, Meredith, and a couple boys from downstairs had gone dancing and ran into Guede on their way home. The boys, who were the ones who knew him from playing basketball, invited the girls and Guede to their apartment downstairs. Amanda and Meredith went to their apartment while the boys were downstairs talking about the girls. Amanda and Meredith came down a bit later, the all smoke some weed, and then the girls went back upstairs. That's it. Sollecito had never met Guede. 3) "Guede came at home. They played together than convinced her, to try having sex together. Than one of them killed her." Where do you get this from? There is no evidence that any of that happened. If any of that had happened, there would evidence of it in Kercher's bedroom, but there's not. Guede left lots of evidence of himself in that room. 4) "I can't profe that, but why was DNA found later on underwear of her, which was identified as Solecitos?" The ONLY bit of DNA found in Kercher's bedroom of Sollecito was a minute trace on one, tiny bra hook...along with the DNA of 2-3 other unidentified men. Two independent experts were assigned by the court to review that DNA and they concluded that his DNA was the result of contamination, not from Sollecito having touched it. The police had violated several anti-contamination protocols when collecting the bra clasp: the police video shows that hook being directly touched by a dirty latex glove which was not changed after touching other objects. This was admitted to in court. The same video shows the clasp being passed around to others, dropped on the floor, picked up and passed around again. And, the bra clasp wasn't even collected until 6 weeks after the murder, across the room from its original location, in a pile of debris under a dirty rug. There is no record of who or what touched that clasp during those 6 weeks. 5) " But I know, that she knows something she does not say." NO, you don't "know" that at all; you're speculating based on very flimsy and very limited knowledge of the facts.
@@LordBruuh No. lol You new here? They've had so many issues with YT, from demonetization, copyright claims, and straight up taking down certain episodes because "reasons." Some old JRE eps were controversial. Like Rogan and plenty of his friends has said countless ridiculous things, and some are incredibly incriminating. It was a different time. A lot of those were clipped so you can find it yourself. Joe himself agreed to take it down to avoid useless heat. It was his decision. Spotify didn't just give him an ultimatum. They've an actual contract. Whereas in YT, Joe has no say in the matter. Big difference.
She had smoked weed which tends to have a sedative effect. The hair tests conducted upon Knox's and Sollecito's arrests showed no narcotic traces (weed is not a narcotic). Unlike blood, hair never loses its traces of drugs which is why it's used when the window for testing blood or urine for drugs has expired. If Knox is 'the killer", then why was no trace of her found in the bedroom where Kercher was violently attacked, sexually assaulted, and murdered? No DNA, no fingerprints, no shoe/footprints. Rudy Guede left all of those.
@@davesfoodfinds2087 Because she had no idea they suspected HER of the murder until they'd thrown her in prison. She thought she was just being helpful in finding Meredith's murderer.
@@OnlyInItalyVideos No, she didn't. She knows she'll never get it the same way Raffaele was denied compensation because Italy will deny she was wrongfully convicted. What she received compensation for was from the ECHR ruling that her rights to a lawyer and a neutral translator were violated during her Nov. 5/6 interrogation.
hey joe .....why was amandas lamp in the murdered girls room ? the bedroom door is LOCKED....there are no footprints of a stopped person locking the persons door. ? you come home ...your door is open....theres blood on the tap of the bathroom and a footprint on a bath math....she takes a shower then shuffles into her room on a bath matt ??? you know all those menstruating women who bleed on the bathroom taps....and you know the way you dont call the police when you see all this...
Probably because Meredith borrowed it as Amanda had spent the last week at Raffaele's apartment and didn't need it. Meredith had one 60 watt light on the wall over her bed and one 40 watt table lamp on her bedside table. Her desk was not near either light so she probably had to unplug her table lamp and take it to her desk at night if she was doing homework there. How do I know about these lights? Because I read the police reports in the court documents. Amanda didn't know Kercher's door was LOCKED when she first went home to take a shower. Why would she try to open a roommate's door? She had called out and no one answered so she assumed no one was home. It was around 10:30 AM so not like it was 3:00 AM. Why would there have to be footprints of someone locking a person's door? Do you think footprints and shoeprints are left everywhere a foot or shoe touches? If so, they'd be so overlayed in the corridor where they walked everyday that they'd be completely unusable anyway. Finding the door open at a logical reason: the latch was broken and the wind would blow it open if just pulled shut and not locked with a key. She assumed one of the other girls had either forgotten to lock it or just ran out for a minute. There were 2 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet which she assumed may have come from her infected ear piercing. Would two tiny drops of blood on a faucet make YOU think a roommate's been murdered? She didn't see the blood on the bathmat until AFTER she showered and it didn't look like a footprint, but just a pinkish watery blob. Do a google search for it see for yourself. Be sure it's one of the police photos and not one that's been enhanced to look darker. It's not like the bathroom was covered in blood. As people do, she looked for a plausible explanation: did Meredith have an accident and maybe ran to the pharmacy to get a bandage leaving the door unlocked? Did she have a menstrual accident? You sound like a man who has no idea just how heavy some women's flow can be on the first day. Why shouldn't she shuffle the few feet to her room on the mat as she was dripping wet and the floor was tile; tile is slippery when wet. She hadn't noticed when she got in the shower that all the towels were gone; Guede had taken them to Meredith's room. Why should she call the police when all she's seen at this point is her door open (logical explanation) and the kitchen/living area and her own room looked completely normal? There are a couple tiny drops of blood on the faucet (logical explanation), a watery blob of blood on the bath mat (plausible explanation), and she sees some feces in the other bathroom where she went to use the hair dryer. None of those is a reason to call the police. Police: What is your emergency? Amanda: I came home and my door with a broken latch that blows open with a gust of wind was open... Police: And? Amanda: I saw two tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet... Police: Two tiny drops of dried blood? And you need the police for that? Amanda: Well, then there's a watery splotch of blood on the bathmat and someone didn't flush the toilet! Police: Miss, we have more important things to do than figure out who didn't flush the toilet! (Mama mia! "Crazy Americans! )
Some people have to twist themselves into a pretzel and abandon logic in an attempt to make something out of nothing. If Knox had taken that lamp into Kercher's bedroom AT NIGHT and, according to the police, had all NIGHT to clean up, then it's impossible for her not to know her lamp was not in her own room as it was the ONLY source of light. It is entirely implausible that she would not be aware of her own dark room and equally implausible that she would not have retrieved it during the 11+ hours between the murder and the discovery of the body. Also implausible is, if she had left it in Kercher's room and only become aware of it later, that she would not have simply claimed Kercher had borrowed it as she was staying at her boyfriend's house so not using it.
Well said. I was certain she was guilty until I went through all the evidence. What also hurt her is the way she looks. A pretty girl who looks like a know it all..GUILTY!!!
@hulazeb not sure you understood my statement. I believe that the police were suspicious of her because of her behaviour while the police were investigating the scene. It seems that they felt the behaviour was wrong and based on that she must have been involved. There did not seem to be anything else presented to suggest she was actively involved.
Can’t help it but my sliders senses are saying you had something to do with it, the reactions and words that come out of her mouth don’t reflect a innocent person
I grew up 20 mins from where that happened, used to see Avery and his wild man beard on the tv in the background every morning before grade school and had no idea what it was about. So weird being older and watching it and finding out what it all was
The whole thing stinks. They convicted Brendan on an entirely different set of circumstances than Steven, for the same murder. Anyone who thinks Making a Murderer is a whodunnit murder mystery is missing the point entirely.
It's an incredible story of media concocting something to sell papers and have no shame in perpetuating these lies. I can't imagine how Amanda came thru this ordeal. It must be very scary to be accused of something so horrible and to know that you had absolutely nothing to do with it. Awful.
Nick Pisa, one of the most prolific tabloid reporters during the Kercher case, even admitted that fact checking the reports took a back seat to getting them in first and getting paid for them. He even wrote up one report on the Hellmann appeal verdict BEFORE it have even come down complete with a "GUILTY!" headline and "quotes" and "reactions"....which never happened. The Daily Mail published it and then quickly had to take it down when the verdict was for acquittal. That is how honest most of the media was.
@The hand And Meredith's DNA alone is found on the floor in that same room (sample #177). Mixed DNA is common in shared households and each donor doesn't have to leave their DNA at the same time. It can become mixed at the time of collection when one was deposited on top of another or next to it. Your DNA would be found mixed with whomever you share your home with, too. I suggest you read up on it.
@The Hand Your ignorance of how mixed DNA works is revealed every time you make that claim. There is no evidence that anyone, much less Knox, planted that DNA or even brought it in. It's just as likely that Filomena brought it in on the bottom of her shoes or socks or Meredith brought it in herself.
@@simonbaribeau4853 Why because they have a differing opinion? I think she is guilty. I have always thought she was involved, and I have the freedom to have that opinion without you getting angered. I'd bet my last dollar she participated in the murder.
@xman559 I just don’t understand how people whose job it is to uncover the truth can hold on so firmly to a discredited hypothesis. Is it just ego, or are they afraid admitting they were wrong would hurt their careers?
Don't forget in Italy you're Guilty until Proven Innocent , so the stakes are a lot higher and you have no freedom you are stuck in Jail till your trial, they can hold you as long as they want.
@@rottierumbles9451 In Italy they can hold you in jail without formally bringing charges for up to one year. In the US, depending on the state, they have 48-72 hours to bring charges or they must let you go.
No, you've misunderstood. Knox was describing the PROSECUTOR'S scenario. It's what HE thought Knox was thinking. " " ...so what is likely to have happened in HIS brain is that I was hanging out with Raffaele and Rudy, Meredith comes home, she starts scolding me for my bad morals and then iIm like you know what , bitch, we're gonna rape you and kill you that's that's his scenario..."
“there are thousands of Americans in jail today on the basis of far less evidence than there is against Amanda Knox." -alan dershowitz, Professor of Law at Harvard Law School
Dershowitz had a lot of misinformation like many people here. The SC said none of the evidence against them supported a guilty verdict and the previous two convicting courts should not have convicted them on it; they should have been acquitted by the first court.
That’s a different story, and it’s her families place to tell that. There’s no way a person who knew her only a couple weeks can be expected to do her justice.
Amanda knox isn’t as innocent as she acts, she didn’t commit the crime directly but was most likely involved. Barely showed any concern for Meredith at the time and for her to now call her ‘friend’, straight up sus
The prosecution said she was the one who inflicted the fatal wound. They even presented an animation of it in court with Guede and Sollecito holding her down while Knox was on top of Kercher. But that fell flat on its face when the allegation that Kercher's DNA was on the knife was discredited by independent, court appointed forensic experts with far more training and experience than the police 'expert', Stefanoni, and the police video of her and others failing to follow many standard anti-contamination protocols. Stefanoni's DNA analysis procedure on the knife was, as experts put if "deeply flawed". She set the PCR parameters beyond the machine's ability to accurately detect DNA as per the instructions. . The two experts, Conti and Vecchiotti said Kercher's DNA was not on the knife. Their analysis was accepted by both the Hellmann appeal court and the Supreme Court over Stefanoni's. Barely showed any concern for Kercher at the time? Who do you think it was who called Romanelli, one of the other roommates, when she couldn't get ahold of Kercher on the phone? Who do you think it was who called the police? Knox has always called Kercher her friend, not just 'now'. Knox had no motive to kill Kercher. No one testified that they had anything but a good relationship...a "normal friendship" as the guy Kercher was dating and who lived downstairs from them testified to in court (: "It was a normal relationship, I mean I saw them go out together, it was a normal friendship." Not a single person said they ever heard Knox say a negative word about Kercher and they socialized together. A week before she was killed by Rudy Guede, the two girls went to a music concert together. Laura Mezzetti, the other Italian roommate testified in court: "In all honesty I wasn’t at home a lot because of my studies, in any case the relationship between the girls seemed good to me in the sense that they were girls of a similar age, both spoke English, and so I thought the relationship between the girls was good, in any case neither spoke to me about the other. Mignini: Weren’t there any complaints made by one of the other? Mezzetti: No"
This case reminds me of the "Beatrice 5" case here in Nebraska. The local sheriff's department and court system convicted 5 people of a murder using interrogation dirty tricks and fabricated evidence. The higher courts released all 5 people after a man already imprisoned confessed to the crime and gave details that only the perpetrator would know about. The 5 people received a court settlement worth millions of dollars but not one cent has thus far been collected, one of 5 died in an accident after his release.
Read "the Monster of Florence" Mignini was the same prosecuter in Amanda's case. Mignini prosecuted 20 different innocent people ,(all acquitted) alot of them spent years in prison over Mignini's false allegations. He was also charged and convicted after that case for abuse of office.
Yes most of these posters are joe Biden voters. They have no clue who she is or what happened. Still don't understand why the British girls family are still blaming Amanda. DNA don't lie.
@@drwerwolfenstein7124 wtf lmao it's a trumpster so we know he eats his own poop. makes sense, right? such a bizarre and irrational connection you have with reality
Les Grossman claims : "People need to remember that #amandaknox is a convicted felon for putting #patricklumumba in jail. She'll always be a second-class citizen." In the US, Knox is not a convicted felon as the US does not recognize demation as a criminal offense but as a civil torte. The ECHR ruled in 2019 that Knox's conviction was 'unfair' due to Italy violating her rights to a lawyer and to an unbiased interpreter during her interrogation. They ordered Italy to pay Knox 18,400 euros which Italy has done. They also directed Italy to file and Action Plan on how they will rectify her "unfair" conviction. The ECHR is still awaiting this Action Plan.
I remember in 1st grade someone tagged on the teachers stuff and she asked us all to write on a piece of paper so she could compare our handwriting. Jokingly I used the same crayon as the tagging and the teacher actually got me in trouble for the tagging which I didn't even do! That's when I realized you can be accused and convicted of a crime you never committed. I learned that in the 1st grade. Then when I was like 14 I had to pay for a laptop I didn't even break with two other kids and I was like well what if it was this other kid broke it too because if I blamed him then we would split the cost between 3 kids instead of just two. So basically I took someone down with me just because I was accused to have less punishment. So twice accused and prosecuted for things I did not do! I was never found innocent 🤷♀️
Her case was when I realized that journalistic integrity was dead. Our American press had her tried and convicted, without doing any research, just repeating what the Italian press wrote. And I believed them. Then I read an article about the case in Rolling Stone magazine and it blew the case wide open for me. It was then that I saw how her story was manipulated, and that she was innocent.
@@katec9893 She's been interviewed in person by both a prison psychiatrist and Dr. S. Kaufman (psychologist) and neither found her to have any kind of mental disorder. Kaufman gave her a psychopath test and she scored "very, very low" on it. But who to believe? Two doctors or internet armchair psychologists who haven't got a clue?
@@Sam-pie You are right, I assume that person is one of her paid PR team, they've written 1000s of comments defending her and relentlessly harass people in the comments who can see through the lies.
What an awful quality of life she must have i.e. constantly looking over her shoulder for when the truth will expose her. How did Knox know the victim had her throat slit before the actual investigation had begun!?!?!?!?! ALL of the DNA evidence was contaminated or planted ;) i.e. in OJ Simpson style ;) I could never understand why someone who was innocent would change her alibi approximately 10 times. Plus, Meredith was good at karate (never mentioned in the USA) so it took extreme force to overpower her that night. "I was sleeping all night", eh, your laptop & mobile phone records suggest otherwise my darling! What about the shop store owner who saw you at 7:45am waiting for the shop to open to buy cleaning products-fact. The evidence points to 3 people being involved & she is one of them. Plus she admitted to being at the scene of the crime via her "present" to the police i.e. her written statement which slandered her boss. She was at the house front door when the local police dropped by with the victims 2 mobile phones, what was she doing? Emptying a bucket, was this from her cleaning the property of evidence? Beyond bizarre was the 5 page email to people in the USA 2-3 days after the murder. Someone is Seattle contacted the local homicide squad in that city because it was incredibly suspicious indeed. I feel for the decent & good people of the USA who have been told colossal lies about this case for nearly 15 years. We in the UK are STILL waiting for her to take the lie detector test she promised over 10 years ago, why we will waiting forever ;)
Wow. Your knowledge, or more accurately, lack of knowledge is incredible. Read and learn: 1) " How did Knox know the victim had her throat slit before the actual investigation had begun!?!?!?!?!" Because she was told so by Luca Altieri on their way to the police station in his car as he testified to in court: Altieri: Yes, yes, yes, after a while, you know, after the Red Cross car arrived, the Scientific Police and the Carabinieri arrived, all of them, after a while one of the two medics, I believe, the driver of the Red Cross, it wasn’t an ambulance, he came out of the crime scene, let’s say, from inside the house, speaking to one of the Carabinieri that was there outside and he described a bit about what had happened, saying… referring to the both the fact the her throat had been cut and that she had also fought back, let’s say, and from this I understood this thing. Mignini: OK, do you remember if Sollecito spoke to you in the Police Station, did he speak of this fact? What did he say to you? Altieri: Look, the only exchange of words was while we were going to the Police station in the car, let’s say, where he asked me if she was dead. I was a bit shocked at the question, I responded “yes”. And then after he asked me, if I remember correctly, how she died, something of this sort, and so I explained to him this thing that I’d heard outside." (Altieri testimony pg. 223) "Dalla Vedova: No, I wasn’t asking for your opinion. You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl which it seems… killed because she has a cut on her throat and she started to cry as a result of this. Altieri: Yes Dalla Vedova: In that moment was Sollecito nearby? Altieri: He was in the car, in the back seat. Dalla Vedova: And he was trying to console her Altieri: We were going to the Police Station" Altieri testimony pg 224) 2) "ALL of the DNA evidence was contaminated or planted" No one, including the defense/Knox/Sollecito ever claimed there was any "planted" evidence. As for contamination, only two pieces of evidence were found to be highly likely to be contaminated and this was by the two, independent, court appointed forensic experts: "ITEM 36 (KNIFE) Relative to trace B (blade of the knife) we find that the technical analyses performed are not reliable for the following reasons: 4. International protocols of inspection, collection, and sampling were not followed; 5. It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed." ITEM 165B (BRA CLASPS) Relative to Item 165B (bra clasps), we find that the technical analysis is not reliable for the following reasons: 4. The international protocols for inspection, collection, and sampling of the item were not followed; 5. It cannot be ruled out that the results obtained derive from environmental contamination and/or contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling of the item." (Conti-Vecchiotti Report, pgs. 144-145) Prof. Conti, M.D. and Prof. Vecchiotti have Ph.D's in forensics and are professors of forensics at La Sapienza University in Rome. Their report was accepted as the final word by the Supreme Court in 2015.
3) " I could never understand why someone who was innocent would change her alibi approximately 10 times" Not true. The only time he story 'changed' was during the interrogation of Nov. 5/6 when she was illegally interrogated without a lawyer (Giordano Supreme Court ruling, Oct. 2008 and ECHR ruling Jan. 2019). She recanted it within hours twice in writing: Nov 6 Memoriale: "In regards to this “confession” that I made last night, I want to make clear that I’m very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn’t remember a fact correctly." "But I’ve said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my head has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked." "... I want to make very clear that these events seem more unreal to me than what I said before, that I stayed at Raffaele's house." Memoriale 2, Nov. 7: "This is what happened and I could swear by it. I’m sorry I didn’t remember before and I’m sorry I said I could have been at the house when it happened. I said these things because I was confused and scared. I didn’t lie when I said I thought the killer was Patrick. I was very stressed at the time and I really did think he was the murderer. But now I remember that I can’t know who the murderer was because I didn’t return back to the house." 4) "Plus, Meredith was good at karate (never mentioned in the USA) so it took extreme force to overpower her that night." No, John Kercher told the Daily Mirror "She went to ballet and in her teens did karate, reaching her third belt." The third belt (out of 10) is an orange belt; beginner's level: "Ranging from beginner belt to more advanced ones, karate belts colors are as follows: white, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, red, and brown." "Orange represents the growing strength of the sun, so the orange belt is given to a beginner once he or she has mastered karate’s 10 self-defense moves." A man with a knife does not need 'extreme force' to overpower a small woman with only a beginner's belt. 5) "I was sleeping all night", eh, your laptop & mobile phone records suggest otherwise my darling!" Her laptop showed nothing as the police fried the hard drive while attempting to copy it, rendering it completely useless: "Following the tests carried out, by various interveners, it therefore appears that the Toshiba disk belonging to Miss A Knox’s Toshiba-brand laptop was damaged with problems evident in the electronic board, which resulted as being inactive, just like the other two." (Marco Angelucci, Computer analysis report, March 31, 2008, pg. 12) Her cellphone was turned off from 8:35 PM Nov. 1 until 12:07 PM Nov. 2, so it also revealed nothing (Knox cell phone records).
6) "What about the shop store owner who saw you at 7:45am waiting for the shop to open to buy cleaning products-fact." You mean Marco Quintavalle, owner of the Margherita Conad store, who first claimed NOT to have seen Knox when specifically asked and shown a photo of her by Det. Volturno about 10 days after the murder. Sworn testimony of Det. Volturno, March 13, 2009: "QUESTION - Do you remember the kind of inquiries [accertamenti] you made? First list them to us and then describe them. RESPONSE - ...After a few days we traced the store, which was a Margherita Conad store - located right at the start of Corso Garibaldi, where both the owner and the assistants recognized Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox in the photographs that we showed to them. Raffaele Sollecito was a regular customer of this store, whereas the girl had been seen two or three times in his company. QUESTION - Together with Sollecito? RESPONSE - Yes, yes, in his company. In this store we also asked if by chance they had noted in the days immediately preceding the homicide or immediately after if they remembered whether these people had purchased this product, however they did not remember…" But, miraculously, Quintavalle could remember her OVER A YEAR LATER, in detail, after saying he did NOT SEE HER just days after the murder. The store cashier who was also there the morning of Nov. 2, Ana Marina Chiriboga, also testified that she had not seen Knox either: "WITNESS - Yes, he (Quintavalle) asked us: "But you didn’t see her?" and I said: "No, I didn’t see her because... I didn’t see her", so I didn’t see her." (Chiriboga Testimony, Oct 2008, pg 74) And she did NOT buy anything, much less cleaning products...because she wasn't there. Quintavalle never said she bought anything: "… If they had asked me… also because, I repeat, when the young lady came into my store I did not see her leave with anything, because when she passed by, and she passed by again, when she left I caught a glimpse of her out of the corner of my eye as she was leaving, I did not notice that she had a shopping bag [busta] or anything in her hands. PRESIDING JUDGE [PRESIDENTE] - Are you talking about the morning of 2 November? RESPONSE - Of the morning of 2 November. I don’t know if she bought anything, I don’t know. My assistant doesn’t remember if she bought anything. I’m not in a position to say whether she bought anything or not…”. (Quintavalle testimony, March 21, 2009)
7)" Plus she admitted to being at the scene of the crime via her "present" to the police i.e. her written statement which slandered her boss." Already covered with the recantations in her two written memoriales. 8) " She was at the house front door when the local police dropped by with the victims 2 mobile phones, what was she doing? Emptying a bucket, was this from her cleaning the property of evidence?" Nope on both. Peter Quennell, the owner of the guilter website, TJMK, started that lie and it's been repeated frequently by people who get their info from that website. But no police officer, or anyone else, testified to seeing a mop and/or bucket when they arrived. In fact, the police video taken that day shows the mop inside the cottage in the storage area where it was kept. It is then wrapped in gift wrapping by Stefanoni, the police scientific officer. The video is available on TH-cam. Testimony of the first police on scene: "WITNESS - When I arrived there were the two young people sitting... PROSECUTOR - The two young people, that is the two defendants? WITNESS - The two defendants, yes, sitting in front of the windows of the cottage where there is... PROSECUTOR - Oh, in front, I mean, where exactly were they? WITNESS - They stood near the corner, where the fence makes the corner, right in front of the windows. There follows a two page long discussion of Romanelli's window, what the two were wearing, and what they said. But what is missing is any mention whatsoever of a mop or bucket. Read it for yourself: pgs 63-64 of Off. Battistelli's testimony of June 2, 2009. Google it. You can also read Fabio Marsi's testimony, who arrived with Battistelli, pgs 119-154, while you're there. He does not mention a mop or bucket, either. 9)"Beyond bizarre was the 5 page email to people in the USA 2-3 days after the murder. Someone is Seattle contacted the local homicide squad in that city because it was incredibly suspicious indeed" That was on Nov. 4 at almost 3:00 AM after being at the police station since the afternoon of Nov. 2. She was exhausted but wanted to give her friends information on what had happened. Whether it was "beyond bizarre" or "incredibly suspicious" is a personal opinion based on your own bias, not a fact. None of the other 23 recipients thought it suspicous enough to send to the police. The sender, Marcel Van Zuylen who was a former boss, never said he sent it to the police because he found it "suspicious". He just didn't know what to do with it so he asked a Seattle police sargeant. (Police file records) 10) "We in the UK are STILL waiting for her to take the lie detector test she promised over 10 years ago, why we will waiting forever ;)" She never promised to take a lie detector test. She said she "would be fine with that" in her Daybreak interview in 2013. She was never asked by the police to take one because they are not allowed in court as evidence because they are not reliable. Besides, it would be a no-win situation for her. If she failed, the colpevolisti would claim it proves her guilt. If she passed, they would claim she passed because she's a psycopath who believes her own lies. I doubt you'll read my posts because they don't support your bias and disprove your claims.
What would her family know about facts to the case the families view is emotional only emotions arent facts if you wanted the other sides story that lays witu the prosecutor my take anyways
I get a weird vibe from her she could be 100% innocent but the words she chooses and the way she talks/looks while explaining certain things is off I wouldn’t be surprised if she was complicit in the murder.
I don’t think her choosing her words carefully shows she’s complicit. I think it’s more that she wants to ensure that she’s not misrepresenting herself, which is smart, all things considering.
What's strange is that the supposed break, the rock is smaller than the hole on the window, suggesting it was staged. Now, why would someone fake their own break-in? Furthermore, the black dude knew Meredith. I think Amanda staged the break-in after the fact. Also, body language and how she keeps latching on to what joe is saying is a lying technique. She is super sus either way.
I suggest you listen to what she said again. SHE didn't call Meredith a bitch. She's saying what the prosecutor, Mignini, claimed what SHE THOUGHT and the scenario he presented in court: "...but HE kept thinking , "okay it's near it's the day after Halloween so maybe it's a satanic sex ritual. We know that there's some kind of sex thing involved. We know that Amanda is like, well, we know we know that Amanda has sex with people so she's probably a sexually obsessed person and Meredith looked down on her for being a sexually obsessed person. " So what is likely to have happened in HIS brain is that I was hanging out with Raffaele and Rudy, Meredith comes home, she starts scolding me for my bad morals and then I'm like, "You know what, bitch, we're gonna rape you and kill you". THAT'S HIS SCENARIO." If she was involved, then where are her DNA, her bloody footprints, her fingerprints anywhere in Meredith's room or on her body?
Yeah...the Italian media did nothing to shape the public's negative view of Knox with such rhetoric. And influence the jury members who are allowed to read , watch, and discuss whatever they want DURING the trial.
Would you care to tell us on what evidence you base your statement? Was it her DNA, bloody footprints, or fingerprints in Kercher's bedroom? In the hallway?
Joe's new thing. He gonna start promoting innocence project and have guilty murderers on like Bruce bryant .. where he can cry on camera. Pathetic. Nice of him to do a little research on his guests. Nah, he's blk, has to be innocent .. let me just roll with it. Just vapid, virtuous vomit.
She had a shower after she saw the door was opened .. there was a bit of blood here and there... somebody took a dump didn't flush...chaos in the house.. any reasonable person would be apprehensive the 2nd it is apparent there could be someone in the house because of an open door....(!) .. and check on roommate(s) and check the perimeter... right?!? Not Amanda.. she simply went in and took a shower. Also the way she and her lover were kissing there at the house with the police present.. highly inappropriate behavior that is just eery given the circumstances. In her phone calls with friends after this tragic event.. but also in her interviews, police questioning etc.. she didn't show any sign of empathy, sadness, loss, remorse, guilt, being shook up or anything. She talked and continues to talk about the situation she found herself in, as if she had a flat tire..or as if she was trying to get rid of an annoying mosquito... and not about the fact that her roommate, a girl her age and that she knew, lost her life. I found that all to be very very abnormal and I still don't belief her based on her behavior and interviews; I think she's innocent the same way we are led to belief OJ Simpson was innocent. Her behavior is the equivalent of OJ's duping delight caught by the camera during his trial.
The door would blow open in the wind if not locked with a key because the latch was broken. Finding the door open was, she assumed that had happened or one of her 3 roommates had just forgotten to lock it. Her mind didn't jump to murder. She looked around when she went in but nothing was out of place in the living room/kitchen or in her bedroom. The only blood she saw was a tiny amount in the sink before she showered. Would you assume someone had been murdered or that your roommate had an accident? She saw Meredith's door was shut but assumed she was sleeping in as she hadn't returned home until dawn the morning before.
The way they were kissing? They weren't making out; Raffaele was holding her and gave her 3 quick pecks for comfort. Look at the pictures of their faces and tell me they were being inappropriate again. Those are not the looks of people "canoodling" as the Brit tabloids put it. "In her phone calls with friends after this tragic event.. but also in her interviews, police questioning etc.. she didn't show any sign of empathy, sadness, loss, remorse, guilt, being shook up or anything." Nonesense. This is just plain not true and it's just something you're repeating. "I think she's innocent the same way we are led to belief OJ Simpson was innocent." LOL! Hardly anyone thinks OJ is innocent and no one in the US promotes his innocence. You don't know what you're talkng about. "Her behavior is the equivalent of OJ's duping delight caught by the camera during his trial." Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick! Stop believing what so called body language experts are saying online in order to make money. Body language isn't a science. That's why the same so-called experts can watch the same thing and come to opposite conclusions. It's why it's not allowed in courts as evidence. Explain to me how there is NO forensic evidence of her in Kercher's bedroom when her killer, Guede, left so much of himself in that room. I've asked and asked, and not a single person has replied. Not one.
@@mytrip6991 Nobody owes you an explanation to begin with but your poor reasoning skills might have something to do with "not a single person" replying to you. Since I have a bit of time anyway, can type really fast.. and like to correct a thing or two of what you assert... here's my reaction. "LOL! Hardly anyone thinks OJ is innocent and no one in the US promotes his innocence. You don't know what you're talkng about." Clearly you mix us up since you're actually arguing in my favor without realizing it; suffices me to say that there was a reason why I connected OJ Simpson's trial (and the public's thought on it) to Amanda Knox's trial. Just re-read the text you quoted me on and maybe you'll see it. On a side note: by writing things like "LOL", and (later in your reaction) "jezus H Christ on a pogo stick" you make yourself come across as immature and, in the context of a horrible death to be mourned, as out of touch with the drama as Amanda has shown herself to be at the time. Glad you underlined my point by writing "hardly anyone thinks OJ is innocent.. and no one in the US promotes his innocence." By that you're suggesting that the few who belief in/promote his innocence aren't in the US, and that's interesting given the twist in that dynamic this time around; a US citizen having stood trial in a murder case in Italy and being promoted as innocent in the US but - as with the OJ trial - not so much outside. Just to be clear; I'm not saying Amanda Knox did it (herself).. but I am saying that a scenario in which she at least had known about it or even facilitated it, isn't as far fetched as some who believe in her innocence profess. On the contrary. Either way, her reaction at the time - as is very well documented - didn't reflect positively on her (to put it mildly) and was consequentially at the expense of her credibility or trustworthiness when it came to the narrative she had in mind to prove her innocence. Exactly because of that, and her obvious lack of compassion at the time (which had nothing to do with being young or quirky) - and because I have no personal attachment to her either - I feel at liberty to express my negative opinion on her. You can disagree with me or even dislike me for it and that's fine. I reckon that for Amanda it is a given that there are (many) people who continue to hold things against her (to say the least). Such is life and she's dealing with that in a dignified way. Good for her. About this and other recent interviews.. It is obvious that she used her time to get her bearings very well, and is now able to rationalize what happened and reason her way through the drama in a way that is compelling and convincing. But in spite of all that, I can't help but think that the narrative she is able to articulate and propose, is the result of a coping mechanism that doesn't necessarily reflect the truth. Last thing I want to communicate about all this - you may react again but I won't reply - is that my thoughts aren't with Amanda, but with the family and friends of Meredith.. after all, Amanda Knox isn't the victim of this crime, Meredith Kercher was.
@@Thijs-Kuiken Maybe your poor reading comprehension skills are the reason why you think I said no one has replied to me. I get plenty of replies. What I said was: "Explain to me how there is NO forensic evidence of her in Kercher's bedroom when her killer, Guede, left so much of himself in that room. I've asked and asked, and not a single person has replied. Not one." THAT is what no one will answer. Do you see the difference? Regarding OJ, you are the one who doesn't get it. You said , ""I think she's innocent the same way we are led to belief OJ Simpson was innocent." Who is 'we' exactly? I'm certainly not suggesting that " the few who belief in/promote his innocence aren't in the US" because I don't think many outside the US care about an American ex-football player who killed his wife and another man. So you assumed incorrectly. As for my being "immature" for using 'LOL', that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. My opinion of you is that you're rather pompous. Knox's reaction at the time-as is very well documented- didn't reflect positively on her because of the way the media was portraying her. For example, the Brit media using the term "canoodling", which has a sexual connotation to it, when describing Raff's comforting Amanda outside the cottage. Anyone watching the unedited video showing their somber faces and not just the 3 quick pecks he gives her which was shown over and over, could see that there was nothing sexual or inappropriate about their behavior. The British and Italian media consistently presented her in a negative way and repeatedly referred to her as Foxy Knoxy. Your negative bias affects how you interpret what she says and does and you assign that to her as if it's factual. For example: "It is obvious that she used her time to get her bearings very well, and is now able to rationalize what happened and reason her way through the drama in a way that is compelling and convincing," and "a coping mechanism that doesn't necessarily reflect the truth." You don't consider that she is just plain telling the truth. You believe she was somehow involved...yet you fail to present any reasons supported by actual evidence. Instead you do what so many people do: assume you know what she felt as in "her obvious lack of compassion." In your last paragraph, you try and take the moral high ground by claiming your thoughts are "with the family and friends of Meredith" as if those of us who believe in Amanda's and Raffaele's innocence don't. I, and all those I know, have great sympathy for the Kerchers. As for Meredith being the victim, I agree, but she was not the only victim of Guede. Amanda and Raffaele are also victims: victims of a lying killer who refuses to take responsibility for his crime and a prosecution that put them in prison for a crime they did not commit because they couldn't admit they were wrong.
@@mytrip6991 I WILL ANSWER YOU: hoping you will not call me "ignorant fool" as you already did.....before to write I'd like to inform you that English is not my language, JFK. Ok, now, it's true that Amanda's DNA was not found inside Meredith's bedroom (which doesn't mean that it could not be there, the scientific police don't analyze every millimeter of a crime scene, otherwise it would take them 10 years), but Sollecito's DNA was found inside that room and if he was there, it means that Amanda was there too. What you probably don't realize is that the ones who stab people, on the contrary of those who rape women (like Rudy Guede) will not leave their DNA on the body of the victims, but *on the handle* of the knives they used to stab the victims (if they don't wear gloves), or, thing that can happen if they get injured during the attack too, the police will found almost certainly their DNA (from blood) on the victim's body (or somewhere else on the crime scene) and/or mixed with the blood of the victim....as happened in this case. Jodi Arias stabbed Travis Alexander 27 times, she cut his throat and dragged him by the ankles, BUT NONE DNA belonging to her was found neither on Travis' body nor in the bathroom where she killed him...but she did, she even admitted to it. The point is that there is some people (the innocents creators) who want people to believe that we leave DNA every time we touch something or someone (untrue) and every time we enter a room....laughable. The reality is completely different. Anyway, INSIDE Meredith's room, besides the fact that the crime scene included ALL THE COTTAGE (and even outside) and in the bathroom, in the corridor and in Filomena's bedroom (the ransacked one), Amanda's DNA (from blood!!!) was found mixed with Meredith's DNA in the blood of the latter and the fact that 3 different set of bloody shoe/footprints were found: in Meredith's room, in the bathroom where those who killed Meredith washed themselves from blood, in Amanda's bedroom and in Filomena's bedroom, and matched Rudy Guede's Nike shoes, Raffaele Sollecito's right foot and Amanda's feet, in Meredith's BEDROOM were found ALSO 3 partial bloody shoe prints (on the pillow under Meredith's body) of a woman's size 37 (Amanda's size). This doesn't prove that those shoes belonged to Amanda, but it proves that Rudy Guede wasn't there alone and that one of his accomplices was a woman. The hairs found inside Meredith's bedroom (and in "incriminating points" as the duvet that covered her body, her purse, her sweat-jacket, her mattress cover and even HER BRA) belonged to Meredith and to other 3 individuals: one had black about 4 cm and less long hair (like Rudy's hair), one was blonde (like Amanda) and one had light chestnut about 9 cm long hair (like Sollecito) and one of those light chestnut hairs was found on Meredith's BRA!
@@mytrip6991 By now I have little doubt that you're projecting the frustration of being criticized too many times about your inability to read and interpret a text correctly. I know I wrote I wouldn't react again, so I guess I shouldn't have written that since I feel compelled to point out certain aggravating elements in your writing with which you again try to misrepresent me and my take on this drama. When you quote me, you conveniently leave out parts of what I actually wrote, just to make an argument that doesn't have anything to do with the point I made; they are easy to spot strawman arguments that befit your simplistic writing and the childish self righteous tone of it. Speaking of bias; I like you to say hello to the halo effect manifested in your writing.
I miss the days when I could watch joe rogan on youtube. Now I just listen on spotify. I know I can watch on spotify, but that's now how I use that app. I used to just stumble upon Joe's podcasts here and randomly find one interesting in the moment and wind up watching for 2 or 3 hours.
One thing I don't like is that in any interview I've seen her give when askes about how she felt when Meredith died is that she skirts around the question and then just brings it back to herself, "it could have been me". I mean, even if not close, her flatmate has just died in horrific circumstances and she can't express any kind of empathy or sadness for her suffering?
This interview is from Sept. 2021, almost fourteen years after the murder; Meredith hadn't "just died". After the murder, Luca Altieri, who kicked down Meredith's door, said she did cry both while outside and while in his car on the way to the police station upon him telling her how Meredith had died. She also got very angry at the police station when talking about how Meredith died which is another normal reaction to a tragic death. There are no interviews with her "just after" Meredith died. In fact, there were no interviews for several years. The first interview she gave was in April, 2013 so 8 1/2 years after the murder. Just how much emotion should she show for a flatmate she knew for 6 weeks years ago? What should she do? Cry? And then get accused of shedding 'crocodile tears'. Besides, not everyone wears their emotions on their sleeves.
It sounds like it was a terrible interview. Did he ask any questions around why she was the main suspect: her diary, behaviour in the police when they took her, insensitive comments witnesses spoke about? I don't see any of it being asked here
@@shonebx I think Joe did ask some of the questions. You shld watch it again. However, I'm more interested to know Amanda as a person than anything else in this interview. And she projected herself as a well centered person. I like her personality.
@@realMaverickBuckley people claimed they were friends and ''why didn't she give a single care meredith died?? she was was your friend and your making out with your boyfriend all happy!'' This was a very big part of the case and people always bring up how cold she is. so she's probably trying to be clear.. It seems she probably disliked meredith. They weren't real friends and she just didn't care at all. Too busy sucking face with her new boy toy alphonso de credenza or w/e,,,,
Just read some of the comments below, some people still believe she's guilty despite the lack of evidence against her, and the fact that the Italian supreme court complete exonerated her. Some people refuse to accept facts. Dummies.
If she was non White, non American, she'll be sitting in jail right now. This woman lied and sent an innocent Black Man to jail. Her pr team has done an incredible job to portray her as some type of victim and people like you are buying it.
@@donatta1857 If she were a non white, non American she wouldn't have been framed by the prosecution in the first place. The testimony that sent her employer to jail was coerced by the prosecution, that's part of the story of wrongful doing on THEIR part, not hers. The man who went to jail for the murder had his dna all over, on, and inside the victim, and he had a violent past. He was guilty of murder by himself. And I'm not buying any PR, I'm basing my judgement on the FACTS.
@@donatta1857 The black man she sent to jail for a few days was her boss at the pub she happily worked at as a waitress. She was coerced into implicating him because (get ready for this) the Perugian police HATED the guy long before Amanda set foot in Italy because he ran a pub that really annoyed the locals. So, the cops thought, "2 birds, one stone". Guede who raped and killed the student (evidence all over the place) did just 13 years of his 16 year sentence. He's already out. But the courts wanted to give 26 year sentences to Amanda and her then boyfriend and they were NEVER at the murder scene. Don't buy into anything you read about this case. Italy's judicial system has done far worse and it's always getting reprimanded and fined by the highest EU courts.
Imagine if I think you did something incriminating and led a hound of media and corrupt justice system to convince that you are. I bet you’d believe in it too.
@@kng3785 yeah she did. Look at the case. The only reason she skipped on it is cause authorities mis handled evidence. Just cause you say doesn’t make it true you weeb.
Please stop armchair diagnosing her. As I've told you, a psychiatrist and a psychologist both interviewed her in person and both found her to be psychologically normal.
@@mytrip6991 You're incapable of accepting that anyone has a different opinion to you. You must have written at least 1000 TH-cam comments defending her. We all know she's guilty, there's masses of evidence against her, she's a promiscuous lying sociopath, anyone with a brain can see this. Nobody believes your lies, get over it.
@@katec9893 No, what I don't like is people making claims that are debunked myths and disproved claims as you have made. Different opinions are fine, but only if those opinions are based on accurate facts. Otherwise, they're just ignorant misinformation. "We all know she's guilty": No, you believe she's guilty based on your ignorance of the facts. The Supreme Court of Italy has found otherwise based on the facts. " she's a promiscuous lying sociopath, anyone with a brain can see this" No, anyone who is ignorant of the facts and/or incapable of admitting error believes this. For example, you think you know better than two mental health professionals who interviewed her. Talk about hubris.
She was a victim: four years in prison for a crime she didn't commit, 15 years of being reviled and the target of disgusting insults and even death threats, and her entire 20's taken from her when they should have been some of the best years of her life. Why don't you target the POS who actually sexually assaulted and murdered Meredith with your hate? You know: Rudy Guede.
RIP Meredith, what a horrific story.
In the UK we just feel like Meredith was completely forgotten in the story.
She didn’t kill her.
She wasn't forgotten but what does that have to do with Knox's and Sollecito's guilt or innocence?
I think Sollecito was just as "forgotten" by many people as Kercher. You can blame the media for that. It's the Brit tabloids like The Sun and Daily Mail and the Italian papers that made this about Knox because that's what sold.
We've got a couple of books from the Old Palace School library my sister never gave back that have a record in their checkout log of Meredith borrowing them. Quite spooky really. I have no idea how we ended up having them, when Meredith was killed my sister had already left the school, must've been dumb luck.
Unfortunately the most forgotten person is Rudy Guede.
@@TangoNevada Yes, the sole killer of Meredith who left his copious forensic evidence around, in, and on her body.
"how well did you know this girl Meredith"? Is anyone ever going to show respect for Meredith Kercher? Rest in peace Meredith.
Well said
The only person not showing Meredith respect is Guede who has never, ever taken responsibility for sexually assaulting and murdering her.
@@mytrip6991 What?
@@breakfast917 Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Do you mean Rogan was not showing respect to Meredith?
How was that disrespectful?
According to the FINAL VERDICT of the Italian courts:
1) Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher.
2) Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder.
3) Due to the lack of defensive wounds and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder.
4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan.
5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery.
6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer. It had been disinfected with bleach.
But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because hey their respective DNA could have gotten there any random way.
7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok.
8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive.
So a lot of interesting coincidences. But that's all they are my friends.
Guilty! And the bill is overdue. The 'collector' is coming soon. :)
@@lesgrossman1274 I am the 'collector'.
1) "Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher."
Nope. She was finally sentenced to THREE years, not four.
Marasca MR, pg 56: "Recalculates the sentence imposed upon appellant Amanda Maria Knox for the crime of calumny in three years of confinement."
2) "Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder."
Based on solely on her calunnia false confession, which, curiously, never mentions Sollecito being there.
3) "Due to the lack of defensive wounds"
Kercher had 3 defensive wounds on her hands. The same knife could have made all the knife wounds on Kercher.
"b. That detected at the level of the palm of the right hand and the II and III fingers of the left hand can be traced back to possible "defensive injuries" occurred in an invalid attempt to oppose the knife."
(Lalli autopsy report, pg. 68_
4) "...and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder"
Prof. F. Vinci's assessment of the wounds completely disagreed:
" All the stab wounds reported by Meredith Kercher are
perfectly compatible with the use of a single knife whose dimensions are comparable to the traces found on the mattress cover in the room of the victim and referred to in frames n.171, 173 and 174 (progressive numbering of the images collected on the DVD prepared by the Scientific Police."
(Vinci Report, June 30, 2009, pg 31_)
5)"4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan."
LOL! Knox agreed that is what Guede was convicted of, not that he did not, in fact, 'act alone'.
6) "5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery."
There were no other assailants which is why zero evidence of any person except Guede and Kercher was found in her bedroom.
7) "6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer."
LOL! Are you freaking kidding me? Sollecito's DNA was NEVER claimed to be on the knife, not even by the prosecution or Police Scientifc Officr Stefanoni who did the analysis. Amanda's was found...because she used the knife to cook with.
8) "It had been disinfected with bleach."
Again, LOL! If it was cleaned with bleach, then how the hell could Stefanoni claim Kercher's DNA was on the blade? BLEACH DESTROYS DNA. That's why it's used to clean lab. Your claims just get more and more stupid.
9) "7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. "
Nope. The conclusion of the two independent, court appointed forensic experts:
" we do not accept the conclusions regarding the certain attribution of the profile found on trace B (blade of knife) to the victim Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher, since the genetic profile, as obtained, appears unreliable insofar as it is not supported by scientifically validated analysis" (Conti & Vecchiotti report, ITEM 36 (KNIFE))
10)..."But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok."
It wasn't non-conclusive at all and the clasp wasn't 'hidden'; it was found across the room in a pile of dust and dirt 6 WEEKS LATER. But how was it likely contaminated? Gee...maybe because the police video shows the incompetent scientific police Stefanoni TOUCHING IT WITH HER DIRTY GLOVE THAT SHE ADMITTED SHE HAD NOT CHANGED AFTER TOUCHING OTHER OBJECTS, DROPPING IT ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN PASSING IT AROUND TO OTHER OFFICERS WITH THEIR DIRTY GLOVES? But, OK
11) "8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive."
Oh, dear. NONE of Amanda's DNA was found in Meredith's room! No DNA, no fingerprints, not foot-shoe prints...nada:
"However, a matter of undoubted significance in favour of the appellants, in the sense that it excludes their material participation in the murder, even if it is
hypothesised that they were present in the house on via della Pergola, CONSISTS OF THE ABSOLUTE LACK OF BIOLOGICAL TRACES ATTRIBUTABLE TO THEM (except the clasp which will be
dealt with further on) IN THE MURDER ROOM OR ON THE VICTIM'S BODY, where instead numerous traces attributable to Guede were found.
It is indisputably IMPOSSIBLE that traces attributable to the appellants would not have been found at the crime scene had they taken part in Kercher’s murder (the room was of small dimensions: 2.91 x 3.36 m, as shown in the plan reproduced in f: 76)."
(Marasca-Bruno Report, pg 47-48)
Try again.
@@mytrip6991 She did four years in prison. You may leave now.
@@mytrip6991 Jeez they really are paying you by the word. Good luck affording those rising bills. I'm feel bad for you that soon the McCann case will be aired for all to see and such trolling won't work anymore. Not that you are convincing anyone anyway haha
Amanda Knox? That was one I didn't see coming Joe.
Agreed
FOR REAL!!!!!!!!
Just wait next he’s going to do a video call with Chris Watts lol
Yeah, I was rlly surprised.
@@tommyoneill9761 greetings it is i
I wanna see Joe interview OJ
You just did lol
Yea this is basically the same thing
Ray Lewis
Haha implying you think she’s guilty ?
@@zeeseeds8151 hahah seriously ?
I was backpacking through europe when this was going, It was everywhere. The details being printed seemed so twisted and absurd it was impossible to figure out what the hell had actually happened.
She did it dummy with her psycho boyfriend
I lived with a girl who was friends with Meredith whilst on my year abroad in Madrid...was big news at the time. Poor girl
Yeah Ive seen this case many times, even tried watching documentaries and timelines about it, but it is such a clusterfuck that Im still confused as hell.
This is the most authentic I've ever seen her.
Joe exhales heavily into the microphone to show how serious this episode is
Or to show how horse worm medicines stole his ability to nayyyyy
yo its 4 d radio peeps
I love when he does that.
@@icanfartloud Hysterical
DMT side effect
Damien from Mean girls: "Say crack again."
Joe: "Crack."
Azz crack.
Lol
Why did she accuse her Black boss of the murder? He was easily cleared, he was catering to his patrons when the crime occurred. She also lied about being in her apartment that night and seeing Lumumba there, when in fact she was with Solecito.
This is a web of lies, and she only has herself to blame for what happened after. It was obvious she though Italy would be like the USA where it's enough to blame some black guy to walk free.
1). She didn't bring up her boss, Patrick Lumumba; the police did. The police misinterpreted her text to him acknowledging his text telling her not to come to work that night. She said "Ok, see you later. Good night". The police insisted that meant she planned a meeting with him "later" that night. She denied repeatedly that she had met him or taken him to the cottage but the police calling her a liar. The interpreter told her she had 'traumatic amnesia" and that she'd remember "the truth" if she just kept trying. She had no lawyer which was legally required and the interrogation was not audio or video recorded. The police wrote up the "confession" and she signed it after being worn down. That confession was ruled to be inadmissible in the murder trial due to her right to a lawyer being violated. This is all in the court records.
Your need to resort to allegations of racism just shows you have little knowledge of the facts of the case. You do know the actual, convicted, just released from prison murderer--Rudy Guede-- is black? If she were involved she'd know that and, according to you, just have named him if all she wanted was to blame a black guy.
@The Hand 1) "She had the opportunity to say her statement was false. She let him stay in jail. To this day, she has not apologized."
False. She said in her written statement, aka First Memorial" given to the police the very same day that "In regards to this "confession" that I made last night, I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the veritity [sic] of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly. I understand that the police are under a lot of stress, so I understand the treatment I received," and "However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am convinced that they unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my mind has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I'm unsure about the truth and here's why: " In these flashbacks that I'm having I see Patrik as the murderer, but the way the truth feels in my mind, there is no way for me to have known, because I don't remember FOR SURE if I was at my house that night."
She is clearly stating that what she said in her 'confession' isn't reliable, including about Patrick. Yet the police kept him in jail with ZERO evidence against him for two weeks.
She had no lawyer which was against both Italian and EU law and the interrogation had no audio or video recording.
2) She also DID apologize to Lumumba in court November 30, 2007:
“I want to tell the truth. I’m sorry about Patrick. I’m sorry about the whole situation. I’m innocent.”
She apologized to him again in her Dec. 11, 2010 appeal statement in court:
"Patrick? I don’t see you. But I’m sorry. I’m sorry because I didn’t mean to do wrong to do you. I was very naïve and not courageous at all; I should have been able to withstand the pressures that caused me to do harm to you. I didn’t mean to contribute to what you have suffered. You know what it means to have unjust accusations imposed on your skin. You didn’t deserve what you experienced and I hope you will be able to find peace.”
3) "The court said that she is guilty of defamation, but you blame the police. Concerning the judgement of the court, you want it both ways."
Not the same Supreme Court, that was the Chieffi SC that also sent the case back again to Nencini basically with instructions to convict the pair. Which they did.
The ECHR has ruled that her defamtion conviction is 'unfair' as her statements were made during an illegal interrogation without a lawyer or a neutral translator. Italy had to pay her $21,000 in compensation and must present a plan on how they will rectify it.
4) "The monster in this murder is not the black guy Guede. The monster in this murder is the white woman Knox. Racism is why people are interested in this incident and why white people defend her."
What a load of crap. GUEDE killed Kercher. It was HIS DNA inside her, on her jacket, on her bra and in her blood on her purse. It's HIS fingerprints in her blood. It's HIS bloody shoeprints under and around her body. You just need an excuse NOT to blame a black man for your own agenda. ALL the evidence points directly to him.
5) " It is a pitiable denial of guilt and a hideous appeal to racist tendencies."
I've got news for you: sometimes black people ARE guilty just like people of any other color, ethnicity or religion. You clearly are the one with a race problem. It's not we who look at the evidence and not the color of Guede's skin.
@The Hand LOL! They smoked some weed like everyone else, including Kercher, the Italian roommates, and the boys who lived downstairs. Weed doesn't turn you into homicidal maniacs; it's a depressant. You get the munchies and relaxed..mellow. Their hair tests taken upon their arrests showed NO NARCOTICS of any kind in their systems. Unlike blood and urine, hair does not lose its traces of drugs over time.
The prosecution's many unproven and bizarre motives that were changed more often than underwear were insulting. Y
So tell me what EVIDENCE puts them in Kercher's bedroom where the murder took place.
@The Hand I did read your statement and your use of "high on drugs" instead of "marijuana" was, I believe, intentional. You do have 'knowledge of their ingestion' now thanks to me: they had no narcotics in their system. As I said, weed makes you relaxed and with a hazy memory; it does not lead to suddenly and without motive killing someone.
Their alibi before the illegal and coercive interrogation of Nov. 5/6 was that they spent the evening at RS's apartment watching a movie, eating dinner, and going to bed. It was still their alibie after retracting their coerced and illegally obtained statements during the interrogation.
"It allows multiple possibilities and it allows denial."
What a silly statement.
" The LAPD framed OJ but he still murdered his wife."
At least we agree to that. But there was also sufficient evidence of his guilty without the disputed evidence of Mark Fuhrman. That jury was not going to convict him if they had a video of the murder in front of them.
Speaking of dishonest cops, Science Officer Stefanoni failed to reveal in court the fact that ALL the luminol revealed 'footprints' assigned to Knox in the cottage tested NEGATIVE for blood with TMB. It took a defense expert witness to find and present in court the negative tests that Stefanoni had run. Yet Stefanoni repeatedly used the term "luminol revealed' suggesting they were, indeed, made in Kercher's blood. So much so that Judge Massei, even after acknowledging that the blood tests were negative, claimed they were in Kercher's blood!
Rest in peace, Meredith Kercher.
Wow, she's killing it.
Literally
Lol
she's killed it already
Sometimes you just gotta take a stab at it
Underrated Comment
I remember how much clamor this story had in Italy. I was just a boy at the time and didn't really understand what had happened, but it must have been one of the most famous cases of my generation. And here I am now, scared by the fact that, through all those spotlights, I have never heard this girl speak.
Interesting note. This is an example of tyranny.
Truth
The allergy of tyranny
🔪🔪🔪
It goes to show just how powerful the media is. From propaganda to speculation to embedding thoughts and emotions you wouldn't otherwise have... it's really really scary actually. I shouldn't just say media but government actors in society etc. There's been huge atrocities committed by group think.
(Found the word/ answer I was really looking for through rambling lol) GROUP THINK... IT IS dangerous!
A serious of unfortunate coincidences lead people to think she’s guilty.
1. Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it.
2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning.
3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two.
4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent.
5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious.
I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up.
"1) Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it.'
Repeated tests found no blood on the knife. (Forensic reports Stefanoni and Conti/Vecchiotti)
"2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning."
Knox never bought any bleach. (Testimony Quintavalle store owner, no bottles found in cottage, no evidence of a clean up per court records)
"3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two."
No wounds were found on Knox per doctor examination Nov. 6, 2007. No evidence of a struggle between Knox and Kercher.
"4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent."
What are 'all the traits of a liar'? Those things that you believe are lies because you see everything through guilt colored glasses?
"5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious"
Yeah, having a new romantic relationship and not wanting to be disturbed or called into work when being unexpectedly given the night off due to slow business is just so....so...so....illogical. New lovers would never do that!
"I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up."
Yeah. Like what are the chances that not a single piece of forensic evidence could place Knox in the room where Kercher was violently sexually assaulted and stabbed to death with a knife? But Guede left bloody shoeprints under and around the body, fingerprint/palm print in blood under the body, and his DNA in her body, on her clothes, and in blood on her purse? Go figure.
@@mytrip6991 “No evidence of Meredith’s blood on the knife”. And yet we know it had been there because Rafa told us she’d had a vegetable chopping accident. Likewise, for Amanda’s ears. She told us they were all leaky. How unfortunate in both cases. All that blood getting spread around.
I’ve seen you replying to every comment on every knox video. Literally thousands of comments in total. I can only asssume you’re employed by her team.
@@petelovatt8357 LOL! Sure. Whatever.
@@petelovatt8357 amanda knox's team is on the offence. I think that they are trying to win people over to their cause,because in 2024 rudy guede also might write a book.
@@Hangar.18 Unfortunately, Rudy has changed his story a few times just like Amanda and Raf., so he has no credibility either. However, I think if you wade through the lies there are a few truths in there. He said he knew Raf and they’d smoked weed together. He also said an argument broke out between the girls because Meredith accused Amanda of stealing her money. I can see this being true as well.
If Rudy gives us the same chit about “it all happened while I was on the toilet” then his book won’t count for much. However, if he decides to own up AND include Amanda and Raf’s involvement, then he’s probably hovering closer to the truth than any version of the story yet. I wouldn’t count on it though. He’s a turd.
Rudy would come to our apartment often just before this happened. He was dodgy as hell. I firmly believe it was him.
Who are you? In what capacity did you know him?
@@mytrip6991 I was a soccer player in Perugia at the time. Rudy would often cone and drink with us at our team apartment. He was known as a dodgy petty criminal. Yes it was stupid for us to be hanging out with him but we were young and stupid back then. As soon as he was named as a suspect the whole team knew it was him. Meredith's house was on the same road as ours. He must have scoped the place out when walking to or from our apartments. Amanda was known as a nice polite person amongst all the students. Absolute BS to pin it on her.
@@kiwikicker9263 I've read from others who knew him that he would steal out of girls' purses when he could. There's no doubt he was a thief/burglar. His neighbor on Via dell Canerino had her house burgled and burned down and her gold watch was stolen. A woman's gold watch was found in Guede's backpack by police but it went missing. I have no doubt he was responsible for that, too.
You lived on Via della Pergola or Viale Saint Antonio?
I get so pissed off when I hear people claim "poor Rudy" was just a victim of racism. Did you know that he's been charged with beating up and raping his former girlfriend in Viturbo? He's awaiting trial. I hope they send his sorry ass back to prison.
RIP Meredith 🙏💜
We Brit's and Italians all know the truth.
Exactly
Which is…? (Serious question, curious to hear the general sentiment on the other side of the globe)
@@ryanwagner7980
Yankee dollars don't just talk - they lie.
@@ryanwagner7980
Please don't take that as a trite statement. Would OJ Simpson have got off if he had been poor, would Micheal Jackson ?
Get Joosey Smooulayyy next on the show!
You know who I'm talking about...Very French actor....
😭🤣 classic
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Breaking..unbelievablek
Juicy Smallest
Justice for juicy.
Amanda Knox is as innocent as OJ Simpson
She's as innocent as Lindy Chamberlain.
Her personality is very unlikeable and cold. I believe she knows something and never describes her relationship with Rudy here. 4 years in prison = 4 million dollar book contract.
What relationship? She served him a drink once or twice as part of her job and spent a brief amount of time in the same apartment with him along with Meredith and the boys who lived there. There is no testimony that they even spoke to each other then except for a brief introduction.
Eight+ years physical, mental, financial ordeal running up millions of dollars in debt = more than 4 million dollar book contract.
Yes very unlikable and cold indeed. It tries so hard but it is all so much cringe its embarrassing. It now has purple hair like a vampire.
@@lesgrossman1274 Is this yoda? Is this mf having issues with having hair?
@@CurtBombS LOL! :D Hilarious! Yes it is balding and turning grey. LOL! :D
@@lesgrossman1274 ok, that’s fine
R.I.P Meredith ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
LMAO
R.I.P Meredith.
@Nik Palmira I was laughing at the bot, they get worse and worse every time
Absolutely Tang-may our lovely English beauty be at peace finally 💖💖💖!
@@monicanath4859 I agree with you about the murder case, but hate to tell you that Tang is a bot not a real person, TH-cam is getting plagued with them at the mo.
I'm from Italy and I was 10 when this case happened. I remember very clearly the 4 to 5 years that followed the fact, all the news and the media talked exclusively about Amanda and the whole case, at least 4 times a week. It was exhausting to say the least.
It goes to show just how powerful the media is. From propaganda to speculation to embedding thoughts and emotions you wouldn't otherwise have... it's really really scary actually. I shouldn't just say media but government actors in society etc. There's been huge atrocities committed by group think.
(Found the word/ answer I was really looking for through rambling lol) GROUP THINK... IT IS dangerous!
Same happens in Greece , they talk about it on the news and on the before and after shows non stop for months.. soooo annoying 😩
I was hoping that we would take Italy to war for imprisoning one of our citizens. I still think we should've and sent a message to the world that America will not tolerate that type of barbaric mistreatment of our people.
@@mattrutledge6840 dumbest comment ever. Italy is an ally genius, just because they made a mistake doesn't mean any other innocent should get hurt. It's not teaching anyone a lesson but how much of a bully ppl like you are
@@antidoteforlife9460 “Made a mistake” That’s a bit of an understatement.
Whether she did or didn’t murder Meredith she’s very obviously a narcissist 🙄no sympathy for the victim , all about herself
Thank you for your professional input, Dr Raindroponroses.
@Raindropsonroses - I’ve read her book and seen the interviews she conducted called “The Scarlet Letter Reports.” They show that she is very caring and thoughtful.
@@TheWchurchill4pm Which is how her friends describe her; friends she's had since childhood. Friends who not only stood by her throughout this decade long ordeal forming a group "Friends of Amanda" to help her, but who flew to Perugia to testify to her character and one, Madison Paxton, who moved to Perugia to be there for her. 'Narcissistic psychopaths' don't have friends like that. But these armchair psychologists who know virtually nothing about her except for the tabloid nonsense they and the prosecution created, feel entitled to declare they know she's a psychotic narcissist. Dunning -Kruger at its finest!
She did it, you lemmings. She has a million dollar PR campaign behind her. Ffs.
Then explain why not a trace of Knox is found in Kercher's bedroom. Go on, explain that, FFS.
Your refusal to address the fact that not a single trace of Knox was found in Kercher's bedroom and attempt to redirect is duly noted.
Also noted: your failure to acknowledge that only FIVE samples were taken in Romanelli's room while 160 were taken in Kercher's room.
How does a PR group affect the forensic evidence in a trial? Did it remove all traces of Knox's and Sollecito's invisible DNA and invisible fingerprints or their bloody foot/shoe prints?
@The hand Yes, we've gone over it and you continue to be intellectually dishonest.
You dishonestly try to equate not finding a trace of Guede in Filomena's room WHERE NO STRUGGLE TOOK PLACE and where ONLY 5 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN to a room where allegedly 3 PEOPLE VIOLENTLY ASSAULTED AND HELD DOWN A FOURTH PERSON AND WHERE 160 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN.
Again, you fail to mention that TWO forensic experts not paid by either the defense or the prosecution found the LCN DNA trace of Sollecito on one tiny hook to be the product of contamination by a third party due to the videotaped failure of the police scientific officers to collect the bra clasp until 6 weeks later after numerous people were in and out of that room and where objects had been tossed around AND where Stefanoni is taped touching that exact tiny bra hook with a visibly dirty and admittedly unchanged glove.
How do you account for the DNA of at least 2 other men on that same tiny hook? Are you going to claim two other men touched that bra hook?
WHERE are Sollecito's bloody shoe prints in Kercher's room? Where are his fingerprints? NOWHERE. Do you want to claim that he cleaned up all his other invisible DNA and fingerprints and only HIS bloody shoe prints? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying.
There is ZERO evidence either Knox or Sollecito left her lamp in Kercher's bedroom. Since Knox had NO OTHER SOURCE OF ARTIFICIAL LIGHT in her bedroom other than that lamp, logic says one of them would have noticed she had no light in her own bedroom during the multiple hours of darkness between the murder and dawn. Or do you think they just fumbled around in the dark? Use your brain.
One thing I will say is I hope Merediths family find peace one day.
Her family thinks she is guilty and helped murder their daughter.
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Breaking..unbelievable.
@@kayhawkins5925 and some people think the world is flat, just because someone thinks something, doesn’t make it true.
@@travislee9396 You don't know the truth, actually NONE of us do.
@@travislee9396 You are talking about the murdered girls parents who followed every single shred of evidence of the case and the investigation.
To quote the Italian comedian Normo McDonaldio, "It's official, murder is now legal in the country of Italy."
LMAO
Nailed it 🏅
well done 😆
Lol
I guess it’s legal if you’re in the mobster
What an amazingly wise, knowledgeable, and patient interviewer!! He’s humble and allows the interviewees to speak as they wish.
Best format ever to find what his guests are all about
They sound like old friends.
New here lol?
@PowerfulJRE Forget the media forget that she's American for a moment and make a timeline of all the events in detail of both her version and Rudy Guede's, then make your own opinion. The very few people who really did their homework know that she and Sollecito know more than they let out.
I have and it supports she's telling the truth. Even Guede's timeline supports Kercher was attacked shortly after arriving home and just about 30-40 minutes after the cartoon playing on Sollecito's computer stops. But in that short time, they go from watching a cartoon to deciding to go to her apartment for some unknown reason, picking up a guy that Sollecito has never met and Knox has met briefly, to sexually assaulting and murdering a girl for no reason. Yeah, right.
How do you explain the complete and total absence of any forensic evidence of Knox or Sollecito in that room while there is varied and copious forensic evidence of Guede? Guede who had a very clear motive and a history of theft?
@@mytrip6991 In order to believe that Knox and Sollecito are innocent, you have to overlook the following:
Knox's accusation against her employer, a claim she made after less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed (not 40, like Team Knox would have you believe - this is a proven fact) and stuck to for 3 weeks, letting her innocent boss rot in jail all the while.
The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom.
The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before.
Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp - with a 16 loci match, the probability that the DNA belongs to someone else is one in a trillion, and with only ONE other DNA trace of him in the cottage (cigarette butt) the idea of contamination is near impossible.
Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade. Sollectio tried to explain this by saying he had accidentally pricked Meredith with his knife while she had been at his house. She had never been there.
The THREE sets of bloody footprints, one a match for Guede, one a match for Sollecito, and one in Knox’s size, in her own DNA, mixed with Meredith’s.
The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito, and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened.
The blatantly staged crime scene, with glass on TOP of the clothes strewn around, a near impossible window entry point, and not a single trace of Guede anywhere in that room, not to mention the fact Knox and Sollecito ‘knew’ nothing had been taken before anyone had even looked.
The fact that Guede’s footprints lead right out Meredith’s room out the front door and he has an alibi for the rest of the night, meaning we KNOW it wasn’t Guede who returned to the scene hours later, staged a burglary, cleaned up and moved the body.
The fact that Knox’s lamp was found in Meredith’s room with no fingerprints whatsoever - more proof of a clean up.
The incredible amount of changes in her account before, during, and after she was arrested.
Total lack of alibi after multiple attempts, and then Sollecito withdrawing his alibi for her.
Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder, including her lies about Meredith’s locked door, her reaction to the blood, and the contradictions to this she makes in her testimony, email home, and in her book.
The fact Knox knew several details about her murder she could not possibly have known: cause of death, position of body, that there had been more than one attacker, that Meredith had been assaulted etc.
The frantic call she made to her mother in the middle of the night that she ‘forgets’ making.
The witness who saw her and Sollecito by the cottage on the murder night.
The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping.
And I can go on, and on, and on. My point is that, whatever opinion people have as to their guilty or innocence, there is enough evidence to convict, and however many times those claims of “no evidence" are repeated, it doesn't make it true
@@RYANTHEORY_ When you need to copy and paste Troll Les Grossman's misleading post, that tells me a lot. I've addressed this particular one before. I'll post it here. I suggest you read it and learn:
" The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom."
When DNA is deposited cannot be dated. That is a scientific fact. Finding the mixed DNA of people who live together and share the same bathroom is common and expected. The DNA does not have to be left at the same time and can be day, weeks or months apart. They become mixed when the sample swab wipes up both sets of DNA. It's like taking a yellow crayon and coloring over a red crayon marking; you'll get orange.
"less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed "?
The official beginning time of that interrogation was 11:00 but questioning actually began closer to 10:30 per the testimony of Ficarra who was the interrogator. The first statement was at 1:45. Unless "Mike Hunt" uses different math than the rest of us, that is not 'under TWO HOURS".
"The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before."
Two small drops on the faucet were not proved to be deposited on the day of the murder. Just because Knox says she didn't see it on Nov. 1 is not proof it wasn't there. Logic says if she had seen it, she'd have cleaned it up. At the very least, she'd have lied and said she saw it but forgot to clean it. No wounds or cuts were found on Knox.
"Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp"....along with the DNA of at least two other unidentified men. Did those two men also touch MK's bra hook? Two independent, court appointed...not police...forensic experts (Conti and Vecchiotti) determined that DNA was not reliable evidence and most likely due to contamination resulting from the egregious failure to follow anti-contamination protocols by the police.
"the idea of contamination is near impossible". Not according to the police video which shows the hook being touched by a visibly dirty glove, handed around to several officers also wearing gloves that Stefanoni admitted were not changed between handling evidence.
"Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade"
Meredith's DNA was not on the blade as concluded by two independent, court assigned forensic experts. Experts who had more advanced degrees in forensics and more experience then Stefanoni who claimed MK's DNA was on the blade. Nor was any blood found on the knife after repeated testing. The only way to remove all traces was by soaking in bleach...which would have destroyed any existing DNA.
"The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito"
Not according to Prof. Vinci who used Crimescope, a forensic lighting tool used to make photos more visible, and who also examined the mat in person, neither of which the prosecution expert did. He excluded Sollecito.
"and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened."
There is no forensic evidence of a clean up. None. Logic says that, if that were Sollecito's print, the pair would have removed the rug or at least washed it. Instead, they pointed it out to the police.
i could continue with the rest of his lies, but i think I've proved what a liar he is.
For people that are not trained to resist interrogation after 24 hours of constant interrogation you won’t even remember the truth once the hunger fatigue fear and delirium sets in
yup thats true af
But she didn't experience 24 hours of constant interrogation. That claim, like much of what Knox claims about the trial, is an outright fabrication
That’s true except she willingly was interrogated for a short time. Like 4 hours. I’ve had a 14 hour work day in the Chicago winter outside and it never caused me to hallucinate
You have to be trained so as to only answer with truth or information that you are aware of. You cannot answer speculative questions and for most questions your answer is just going to be no comment as you truly are not going to be able to answer the question.
Hunger fatigue?
Do you even know where Italy is? It is not Afghanistan…..it’s the western world. She was not tortured.
Podcast guest : Wrongfully imprisoned female
Joe: Somehow manages to bring up Saunas and that dude that faked being an MMA fighter.
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Yeah... people can have conversations on just about anything. Its pretty neat.
Maybe correctly imprisoned female. But hey she's American so must be innocent. Drone strikes anyone?
LOLOLOLOL
Correctly imprisoned and incorrectly released*
my intuition tells me she’s guilty
Intuition? Yeah...and my intuition tells me that some people should never sit on a jury.
I'll go by the evidence, or in this case the lack of evidence, which obviously shows she's innocent.
@@TheHaratashi Evidence? When we have body language, our 'guts', and her eyes? What are you? A traditionalist? 😁
@@TheHaratashi cap
@@mytrip6991 ha ha xx
Why call her "this Meredith girl" Meredith is the only victim in this crime.
@JeanKanengoni - Meredith is THE victim. But Amanda is A victim. So are Raffaele and Patrick Lumumba, and all of their families.
@@TheWchurchill4pm My focus was on Meredith, whom the interviewer called "this Meredith girl" why call her "this ... girl" Lumumba never got an apology from Amanda, which is pretty sad and extremely unfortunate.
This was such a big story in Italy, I was just a kid when it happened but it was on the news every single day, stuck in my memory now
@becibooable1 how can you be certain lol?
Yep it's Italy OJ Simpson trail
Idiots
Well, as someone who lived through the whirlwind trial... Do you think she’s innocent, Ousmane?
@becibooable1 you are cappin bro. 😂😂
Psychologists
"Gaslighting is bad"
Police
"But how do we solve crimes then?"
ThTs brilliant 🤣
Yeah, police are allowed to lie to get confessions. You think it's bad, but remember all people committing crimes lie when caught. At least 99 percent of them do. You wouldn't think it was so bad if police lied to get a confession of your mom's murderer.
@@lenehan06 good point I suppose it’s down to where do you stand morally with breaking/bending the rules
Evidence.
In order to believe that Knox and Sollecito are innocent, you have to overlook the following:
Knox's accusation against her employer, a claim she made after less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed (not 40, like Team Knox would have you believe - this is a proven fact) and stuck to for 3 weeks, letting her innocent boss rot in jail all the while.
The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom.
The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before.
Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp - with a 16 loci match, the probability that the DNA belongs to someone else is one in a trillion, and with only ONE other DNA trace of him in the cottage (cigarette butt) the idea of contamination is near impossible.
Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade. Sollectio tried to explain this by saying he had accidentally pricked Meredith with his knife while she had been at his house. She had never been there.
The THREE sets of bloody footprints, one a match for Guede, one a match for Sollecito, and one in Knox’s size, in her own DNA, mixed with Meredith’s.
The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito, and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened.
The blatantly staged crime scene, with glass on TOP of the clothes strewn around, a near impossible window entry point, and not a single trace of Guede anywhere in that room, not to mention the fact Knox and Sollecito ‘knew’ nothing had been taken before anyone had even looked.
The fact that Guede’s footprints lead right out Meredith’s room out the front door and he has an alibi for the rest of the night, meaning we KNOW it wasn’t Guede who returned to the scene hours later, staged a burglary, cleaned up and moved the body.
The fact that Knox’s lamp was found in Meredith’s room with no fingerprints whatsoever - more proof of a clean up.
The incredible amount of changes in her account before, during, and after she was arrested.
Total lack of alibi after multiple attempts, and then Sollecito withdrawing his alibi for her.
Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder, including her lies about Meredith’s locked door, her reaction to the blood, and the contradictions to this she makes in her testimony, email home, and in her book.
The fact Knox knew several details about her murder she could not possibly have known: cause of death, position of body, that there had been more than one attacker, that Meredith had been assaulted etc.
The frantic call she made to her mother in the middle of the night that she ‘forgets’ making.
The witness who saw her and Sollecito by the cottage on the murder night.
The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping.
Her overall behaviour after the murder.
And I can go on, and on, and on. My point is that, whatever opinion people have as to their guilty or innocence, there is enough evidence to convict, and however many times those claims of “no evidence" are repeated, it doesn't make it true.
Interesting
what did she say in the frantic call to her mom? where does it cover that this happened, i heard all of the other points but not that
Don't let facts enter into this!
@Mike Hunt
Excellent but not exhaustive list. She framed her boss accusing him of rape and murder. She was convicted of that. Why is that always overlooked?
All of this is wrong
1:23 "There wasn't A LOT of... obviously, there wasn't any evidence". Still a prolific liar 14 year's later, as well as a convicted felon precisely due to her penchant for deception.
She isn't a convicted felon in the US and that calunnia conviction will be annulled once Italy follows through with the ECHR judgement. You explain how only Guede left multiple forensic evidence of himself in that room and Knox left ZERO.
"Italy's top criminal court has scathingly faulted prosecutors for presenting a flawed and hastily constructed case against Amanda Knox and her former Italian boyfriend, saying Monday it threw out their convictions for the 2007 murder of her British roommate in part because there was no proof they were in the bedroom where the woman was fatally stabbed."
"It wrote there was an "absolute lack of biological traces" of Knox, an American, or of co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito in the room or on the victim's body. It slammed the quality of the prosecution's case from the start.
The path of the case took was "objectively wavering, whose oscillations are ... the result also of stunning weakness or investigative bouts of amnesia and of blameworthy omissions of investigative activity," the court wrote. Had the investigation not been so shaky, "in all probability" the defendants' guilt or innocence could have been determined from the earliest stages, the panel said."
@@mytrip6991 No, she's a convicted felon in the country she served three years of prison time for attempting to frame an innocent man - the same country she was twice found guilty of sexual homicide in. The Calunnia conviction still stands. Keep waiting.
@@alabama.worley That would have been the police who decided she met up with Lumumba because they believed the 7 woolen fibers that the coroner had collected from her genital area were hairs. That is exactly what was listed on their sample report: sample obtained: hairs and then the result: all wool fibers. So, they already suspected a black man was involved. And guess who had a gray wool cap? Guede.
I bet you thought Knox was going to lose her ECHR case too. She didn't. Italy has already acknowledged the 2019 ruling and paid her what they were ordered to: $21,000. Now Italy has to submit an 'Action Plan' which explains how the applicant will be restored to her condition before the violations (the “individual measures”) and explain how the state will prevent such violations in the future (the “general measures”). The Action Plan is sent to the Council of Europe’s Committee of Ministers (CoM), which supervises respondent states in their obligations to follow the final judgments of the ECHR. Italy is extremely slow at this...one of the worst in Europe because they have so many judgements against them. About the only way they can "restore" Knox to her pre-interrogation status is to annul/vacate the calunnia conviction. They cannot use her interrogation statements against her now as the ECHR ruled Italy had violated her rights during that interrogation. The last conviction is going the way of the murder conviction. I love how you always mention she was convicted TWICE but BOTH those were ANNULLED TWICE.
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@@mytrip6991 Your comment is an incoherent, rambling mess, per usual. I won't be reading any further gibberish of yours, so refrain from harassing me.
Yes, "questioning your own sanity" is an actual thing that happens to people during interrogation, people literally end up confessing to crimes against people they've never even met... It's a legit psychological phenomenon that occurs. And FYI Amanda didn't even confess....Amanda is an inspiration.....the prosecution and the media harassed and literally made a disgusting fiction out of such a young girl (barely an adult), in a foreign country with less than child's communication skills...the legal system of Italy lied to a 20 year old, that she's HIV positive! They didn't even tell her what she was being imprisoned for! The media published her private diary..
hard to believe it was legal in Italy to interrogate her for so many hours with no interpreter and no lawyer.
She should be a guest speaker at police academies, talking about the dangers of taking short cuts during investigations.
I guess you must have been born yesterday. Your naivety is off the scale
She is guilty lol
@@gizzyguzzi She wasn't brought in, her boyfriend was called and she just went with him, when she was there she talked to the police and if you are not a suspect in Italy you don't need to have a lawyer, you can ask for one but you can still release a statement
I remember looking into this years ago and being left with the idea that this girl knows way more than she claims.
Ahhh. Guilty it is then!
And now?
hard to call it out for sure, but she hid so many things and changed versions so many times that her self-proclaimed complete innocence is hard to believe
No one innocent would be doing cartwheels in court being accused of murdering her best friend
@@SaydeeEnward4500 her best friend...what
She tried to pin the murder on Patrick Lumumba. Had 2 weeks to set it right,but didn't. Guilty!
She did in her two written statement she gave to the police on Nov. 6 and Nov. 7. They just chose to ignore them...until they could no longer when no forensics of Lumumba in the cottage came back but Guede's handprint in Kercher's blood was identified from his immigration record. And when enough people had placed him in his bar that night including a Swiss teacher.
@@mytrip6991 she wrote only 1 statement. In that statement she did not retract the accusation,but questioned the reliability thereof. The accusation did stand,but in case of proof of Lumumba's innocence,she weakened the severity of her slander.
Well played!
@@Hangar.18 Nope. There was a second written statement on Nov. 7:
Knox gave the second written statement (aka second memoriale) to prison Vice-commmandante, Raffaele Argiro, on Nov. 7 and he gave it to the police on Nov. 8 per his testimony on July 7, 2009 (Transcript pg.73)
From Knox's June 12, 2009 testimony:
"L Ghirga:
All right Amanda, okay. Thank you. So you went to prison and spent the night. When did you write the second memorial?
A Knox:
So in prison I again asked for paper, because that's how I'm used to expressing myself, the way I succeed best, also to organize my thoughts, I needed to write them down. I needed to reorganize all my thoughts, because at that point I was still confused, I still had these images in my memory that finally I understood were a mixture of real images in my memory from other days mixed with imagination. So I needed those pieces of paper, so I could take everything and put it in order."
This is the pertinent part of the second memoriale:
"This is what happened and I could swear by it. I’m sorry I didn’t remember before and I’m sorry I said I could have been at the house when it happened. I said these things because I was confused and scared. I didn’t lie when I said I thought the killer was Patrick. I was very stressed at the time and I really did think he was the murderer. But now I remember that I can’t know who the murderer was because I didn’t return back to the house. I know the police will not be happy about this, but it’s the truth."
@@mytrip6991 instead of remorse for pinning it on an innocent man,she is purely interested in removing herself as a witness at the crime scene. Which would lead her on a path to jail. The police saw through it and therefor the original signed statement was upheld.
The real retraction would be: I lied,I tried to pin murder on an innocent man.
@@mytrip6991 she had her head in the noose. She was the one who allegedly met up with Patrick. She was the one who was witness to the murder and did nothing. It's a tiny step from witness to acomplice from there.
New legal opinion here in New York is that Knox-related fraud may be a criminal enterprise which can incur prison time in US.
@MikeHunt - Which legal firm has produced this opinion?
One of the first cases I learned about that was just solid "The media don't care what the truth is, if it bleeds it leads"
Easy to see how we've gotten here when journalistic integrity is completely butchered
Yup
That's not what the saying means.
It just means that violence always gets (and should get) top headlines, nothing dishonest about that. Nothing to do with journalistic integrity.
Media is dead.
Today we need to pass the actual truth out selfs we have the power Joe Rogan showed us all how.
The only weapon that will never fall to technology is propaganda. It’s actually much easier to control the herd these days considering everyone has a small computer in their possession 24/7. All one needs to do is look at the Trump coverage from 2016 to now. It’s absolutely absurd the lengths MSM/Social media goes to twist, gaslight and manipulate.
Man I couldn't believe this when I first heard about the Amanda Knox story. It's so absolutely insane.
@@Bone_Thug did you save the juice and mix it with some fresca?
@@mikimiyazaki i have returned
Amanda will kill again
@MR IV DNA doesn't lie, the Italian authorities aren't well known for their police work. The prosecutor has become a national joke. People who think Amanda Knox is guilty are just a little slow. Seriously. The guilty guys DNA everywhere. Italian authorities are like, "witchcraft". Better be glad that didn't happen to you in another country.
She's a literal murderer lmao
Do you know the worst part of all of this? Nobody can even remember the name of the victim who was raped and murdered. All of a sudden Amanda Knox is now the victim. She still knew about it and didn't tell the full truth to the police.
You mean Meredith Kercher? You know, there can be more than one victim in a crime: the victim of the actual crime and the person/people wrongfully imprisoned and vilified for years for something they never did. People who have to deal with being insulted, called horrible names including 'psychopath', 'slut', and 'narcissist and who have to deal with every other consequence that results from being branded a killer for the rest of their lives. People who are judged by ignorant people who know virtually nothing about the actual facts of the case except for what they read in tabloids and on TH-cam. Meredith was a victim of Rudy Guede and Knox and Sollecito who were his victims as well.
She had nothing to do with the murder.
I can dispute that. The victim was Meredith Kercher. So, at least one person knows.
Honestly, if you're going to blame someone for "no one" knowing the victim's name, blame the media and the prosecutor. They were the ones who sensationalized and rhapsodized over Amanda Knox.
I think she is guilty. That's it. Even if she didn't kill her, she was involved. She knows more than she says. She is a psychopath, that's for sure.
Why? What evidence convinces you that she was involved and that she "knows more than she says"?
Technically speaking, there is no diagnosis for "psychopath"; it's called Anti-Social Personality Disorder. In order to be diagnosed with ASPD, "psychopathic" behavior must manifest before the age of 15. Knox has no such history. In fact, she had many friends from childhood and school and was known to be kind and gentle according to her teachers and schoolmates. Nor has she displayed anti-social, violent tendencies, or any other "psychopathic" behaviors since the murder. Psychopaths are not "one off, let's kill my roommate for no reason" killers who live normal lives otherwise.
Not a single witness testified to ever hearing Knox say a negative word about Kercher or knowing of any discord between them; no fights, no raised voices, etc. Every witness, including the boy downstairs that Kercher was seeing, said they had a 'normal friendship'.
So, really, what do you base your belief on that "She is a psychopath, that's for sure,: and that she was 'involved"?
@@mytrip6991 First off: Who does not fucking now, what happened at a evening. First she said it was her boss. Than she said, she does not know, than she said it was Guide. Wtf. Sorry thats bullshit. I'm convinced it was here together with Guide and her Italian friend. She just had good lawyers. That's it.
@@skyjumper8652 You don't know enough about this case to even spell "Guede" correctly or to know the name of her boyfriend: Raffaele Sollecito.
The COURT said it was Guede, not Knox. She never named him until after his arrest and the forensic evidence pointed directly to him. It was his DNA, fingerprints in Kercher's blood and shoe prints in her blood that identified him. not Knox.
I asked specifically what evidence convinces you that that she was involved and that she's a psychopath and you failed to answer either. Why?
@@mytrip6991 why does she say, someone completely not involved into it was the the murderer. First she didn't even mension, that they knew Guede. They knew him from playing Basketball. I tel you what happened. Guede came at home. They played together than convinced her, to try having sex together. Than one of them killed her. Maybe it's not her, maybe it's the Italian. I can't profe that, but why was DNA found later on underwear of her, which was identified as Solecitos? He was a creep. Maybe he was it. Don't know. But I know, that she knows something she does not say.
@@skyjumper8652 1) "why does she say, someone completely not involved into it was the the murderer."
Knox's boss, Patrick Lumumba, had texted her not to come into work as it was slow that night. Knox deleted it. The police looked at Knox's cell phone and found her reply text to him. She wrote, "Certo. Ce vediamo piu tarde. Buona serata" which means "Sure. See you later. Good night." The name "Patrick" appeared at the top of the text.
The police believed this was actually a message confirming that she was going to meet Lumumba later that night. Her chief interrogator, Rita Ficarra, admitted this in her court testimony. The prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini, presented this text, minus the "Good night" part, to the judge as evidence of her meeting Lumumba in order to get the arrest warrant. That is how his name came up. She did not offer it; the police rushed to a conclusion.
From that point on, the police became fixated on Lumumba and convinced that Knox met him and took him to the cottage. The Chief of Police, Arturo de Felice, confirmed himself to the press that very morning that this is what they believed and that Knox's denials were lies: "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles."
2)"First she didn't even mension, that they knew Guede. They knew him from playing Basketball."
False. Knox had served him a drink one time at the bar she worked at. The only other time was when Amanda, Meredith, and a couple boys from downstairs had gone dancing and ran into Guede on their way home. The boys, who were the ones who knew him from playing basketball, invited the girls and Guede to their apartment downstairs. Amanda and Meredith went to their apartment while the boys were downstairs talking about the girls. Amanda and Meredith came down a bit later, the all smoke some weed, and then the girls went back upstairs. That's it. Sollecito had never met Guede.
3) "Guede came at home. They played together than convinced her, to try having sex together. Than one of them killed her."
Where do you get this from? There is no evidence that any of that happened.
If any of that had happened, there would evidence of it in Kercher's bedroom, but there's not. Guede left lots of evidence of himself in that room.
4) "I can't profe that, but why was DNA found later on underwear of her, which was identified as Solecitos?"
The ONLY bit of DNA found in Kercher's bedroom of Sollecito was a minute trace on one, tiny bra hook...along with the DNA of 2-3 other unidentified men. Two independent experts were assigned by the court to review that DNA and they concluded that his DNA was the result of contamination, not from Sollecito having touched it. The police had violated several anti-contamination protocols when collecting the bra clasp: the police video shows that hook being directly touched by a dirty latex glove which was not changed after touching other objects. This was admitted to in court. The same video shows the clasp being passed around to others, dropped on the floor, picked up and passed around again. And, the bra clasp wasn't even collected until 6 weeks after the murder, across the room from its original location, in a pile of debris under a dirty rug. There is no record of who or what touched that clasp during those 6 weeks.
5) " But I know, that she knows something she does not say."
NO, you don't "know" that at all; you're speculating based on very flimsy and very limited knowledge of the facts.
We need JRE back on TH-cam
Why, so YT can censor the hell out of it?
X3MA right .. what we really need is more places where uncensored conversations can take place
@@LordBruuh No. lol You new here?
They've had so many issues with YT, from demonetization, copyright claims, and straight up taking down certain episodes because "reasons." Some old JRE eps were controversial. Like Rogan and plenty of his friends has said countless ridiculous things, and some are incredibly incriminating. It was a different time. A lot of those were clipped so you can find it yourself. Joe himself agreed to take it down to avoid useless heat. It was his decision. Spotify didn't just give him an ultimatum. They've an actual contract. Whereas in YT, Joe has no say in the matter. Big difference.
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Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones
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@@LordBruuh no they havent.
Back to the old days with this iconic background. I miss the comment section. I MISS US 😩😭😭
Spotify is scared of the comment section sadly...... 😢
This is his new background
This is his current background
@CastAirLead You are clueless.
@CastAirLead Then you should do what everybody else does in the world, and stop taking opinions as facts. Give an example.
I still think she's the killer. Too many things are suspicious. She was high af.
She had smoked weed which tends to have a sedative effect. The hair tests conducted upon Knox's and Sollecito's arrests showed no narcotic traces (weed is not a narcotic). Unlike blood, hair never loses its traces of drugs which is why it's used when the window for testing blood or urine for drugs has expired.
If Knox is 'the killer", then why was no trace of her found in the bedroom where Kercher was violently attacked, sexually assaulted, and murdered? No DNA, no fingerprints, no shoe/footprints. Rudy Guede left all of those.
I bet she is friends with Casey Anthony. Both got away free and clear.
@@JamaicanRain What a stupid comment.
@@JamaicanRain What a stupid statement.
@@mytrip6991It is my pleasure to have broken all barriers for stupidity for you.
As an American she should’ve asked for the American consulate she has the right to do that
Her parents kept advising her to do so on the phone, before her arrest.
@@TheWchurchill4pm The question is why didn’t she go to the American consulate in Italy
@@davesfoodfinds2087 Her family did...when the situation got blown way out of proportion.
@@davesfoodfinds2087 Because she had no idea they suspected HER of the murder until they'd thrown her in prison. She thought she was just being helpful in finding Meredith's murderer.
Joe is Low-key interrogating her
That’s VladTV’s job 🤣
Who doesn't he do that with?
Joe knows she did it.
How mad would everyone be If he didnt
@@jibril2473 ….ok.
one of the most interesting podcasts I have heard in a long time. Great Stuff Joe.
How many Joe's are there?
He needs more content like this!!!!! I’m kinda bored with some of his more recent guests.
@@jimparsons4312 yeah I kind of get bored with the MMA fighters to be honest but he gets some amazing guests
@@jimparsons4312
Just how many cold blooded murderers are there walking around free ?
I agree. Very eyeopening and inspiring.
The way Amanda was treated was disgraceful. She should be compensated for the four years she wasted in jail.
Seek therapy
@@MikeHunt-ir5rc ???
@@tancreddehauteville764 Seek therapy
She did sue the country for wrongful imprisonment and won but received just a few thousand dollars.
@@OnlyInItalyVideos No, she didn't. She knows she'll never get it the same way Raffaele was denied compensation because Italy will deny she was wrongfully convicted. What she received compensation for was from the ECHR ruling that her rights to a lawyer and a neutral translator were violated during her Nov. 5/6 interrogation.
hey joe .....why was amandas lamp in the murdered girls room ? the bedroom door is LOCKED....there are no footprints of a stopped person locking the persons door. ? you come home ...your door is open....theres blood on the tap of the bathroom and a footprint on a bath math....she takes a shower then shuffles into her room on a bath matt ??? you know all those menstruating women who bleed on the bathroom taps....and you know the way you dont call the police when you see all this...
Probably because Meredith borrowed it as Amanda had spent the last week at Raffaele's apartment and didn't need it. Meredith had one 60 watt light on the wall over her bed and one 40 watt table lamp on her bedside table. Her desk was not near either light so she probably had to unplug her table lamp and take it to her desk at night if she was doing homework there. How do I know about these lights? Because I read the police reports in the court documents.
Amanda didn't know Kercher's door was LOCKED when she first went home to take a shower. Why would she try to open a roommate's door? She had called out and no one answered so she assumed no one was home. It was around 10:30 AM so not like it was 3:00 AM.
Why would there have to be footprints of someone locking a person's door? Do you think footprints and shoeprints are left everywhere a foot or shoe touches? If so, they'd be so overlayed in the corridor where they walked everyday that they'd be completely unusable anyway.
Finding the door open at a logical reason: the latch was broken and the wind would blow it open if just pulled shut and not locked with a key. She assumed one of the other girls had either forgotten to lock it or just ran out for a minute.
There were 2 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet which she assumed may have come from her infected ear piercing. Would two tiny drops of blood on a faucet make YOU think a roommate's been murdered?
She didn't see the blood on the bathmat until AFTER she showered and it didn't look like a footprint, but just a pinkish watery blob. Do a google search for it see for yourself. Be sure it's one of the police photos and not one that's been enhanced to look darker. It's not like the bathroom was covered in blood. As people do, she looked for a plausible explanation: did Meredith have an accident and maybe ran to the pharmacy to get a bandage leaving the door unlocked? Did she have a menstrual accident? You sound like a man who has no idea just how heavy some women's flow can be on the first day.
Why shouldn't she shuffle the few feet to her room on the mat as she was dripping wet and the floor was tile; tile is slippery when wet. She hadn't noticed when she got in the shower that all the towels were gone; Guede had taken them to Meredith's room.
Why should she call the police when all she's seen at this point is her door open (logical explanation) and the kitchen/living area and her own room looked completely normal? There are a couple tiny drops of blood on the faucet (logical explanation), a watery blob of blood on the bath mat (plausible explanation), and she sees some feces in the other bathroom where she went to use the hair dryer. None of those is a reason to call the police.
Police: What is your emergency?
Amanda: I came home and my door with a broken latch that blows open with a gust of wind was open...
Police: And?
Amanda: I saw two tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet...
Police: Two tiny drops of dried blood? And you need the police for that?
Amanda: Well, then there's a watery splotch of blood on the bathmat and someone didn't flush the toilet!
Police: Miss, we have more important things to do than figure out who didn't flush the toilet! (Mama mia! "Crazy Americans! )
Some people have to twist themselves into a pretzel and abandon logic in an attempt to make something out of nothing.
If Knox had taken that lamp into Kercher's bedroom AT NIGHT and, according to the police, had all NIGHT to clean up, then it's impossible for her not to know her lamp was not in her own room as it was the ONLY source of light. It is entirely implausible that she would not be aware of her own dark room and equally implausible that she would not have retrieved it during the 11+ hours between the murder and the discovery of the body. Also implausible is, if she had left it in Kercher's room and only become aware of it later, that she would not have simply claimed Kercher had borrowed it as she was staying at her boyfriend's house so not using it.
Knox’s story shows that media wants a good story more than they want the truth
Well said. I was certain she was guilty until I went through all the evidence. What also hurt her is the way she looks. A pretty girl who looks like a know it all..GUILTY!!!
@@TonyVega123 pretty sure it was entirely based on her kissing her boyfriend while the police were there
Yet, people still listen......hence Joe Biden's presidency. Sheepeople everywhere.
@hulazeb not sure you understood my statement. I believe that the police were suspicious of her because of her behaviour while the police were investigating the scene. It seems that they felt the behaviour was wrong and based on that she must have been involved. There did not seem to be anything else presented to suggest she was actively involved.
Well that “good story” you’re referring to was from the mouths of cops 🐷
JCS needs to break this whole thing down
Totally!
Break what down? He informs on interrogation techniques and light psychology of the same.
Why? Why do you put so much stock in murder porn masquerading as clinical analysis?
Brother!
@@NxDoyle he doesn’t exclusively talk about murder cases, nor does he discuss the pathology. He studies mainly the interrogation…
Can’t help it but my sliders senses are saying you had something to do with it, the reactions and words that come out of her mouth don’t reflect a innocent person
Your 'sliders senses' against the evidence...or lack thereof. I'll go with the evidence...or lack thereof.
never forget Brendan Dassey confessed to murder so he could watch Wrestlemania
I grew up 20 mins from where that happened, used to see Avery and his wild man beard on the tv in the background every morning before grade school and had no idea what it was about. So weird being older and watching it and finding out what it all was
I mean it's Wrestlemania...
The whole thing stinks. They convicted Brendan on an entirely different set of circumstances than Steven, for the same murder. Anyone who thinks Making a Murderer is a whodunnit murder mystery is missing the point entirely.
Well then he did it
He wanted to PLAY wrestlemania on his Playstation.
This girl is completely innocent or a master manipulator.
She Guilty
@@Contact_Info The prosecutor said: "She cleaned up her own DNA & left the other guys (killer) there". #idiot
Everyones suspicious of everyone now.Idiot
the second one
@@alexinico9608 You can't see DNA, so how could she clean it up?
It's an incredible story of media concocting something to sell papers and have no shame in perpetuating these lies. I can't imagine how Amanda came thru this ordeal. It must be very scary to be accused of something so horrible and to know that you had absolutely nothing to do with it. Awful.
Nick Pisa, one of the most prolific tabloid reporters during the Kercher case, even admitted that fact checking the reports took a back seat to getting them in first and getting paid for them. He even wrote up one report on the Hellmann appeal verdict BEFORE it have even come down complete with a "GUILTY!" headline and "quotes" and "reactions"....which never happened. The Daily Mail published it and then quickly had to take it down when the verdict was for acquittal. That is how honest most of the media was.
@The hand Troll. Buh-bye.
@The hand And 2009 wants your misinformation back.
@The hand And Meredith's DNA alone is found on the floor in that same room (sample #177). Mixed DNA is common in shared households and each donor doesn't have to leave their DNA at the same time. It can become mixed at the time of collection when one was deposited on top of another or next to it. Your DNA would be found mixed with whomever you share your home with, too. I suggest you read up on it.
@The Hand Your ignorance of how mixed DNA works is revealed every time you make that claim. There is no evidence that anyone, much less Knox, planted that DNA or even brought it in. It's just as likely that Filomena brought it in on the bottom of her shoes or socks or Meredith brought it in herself.
I've never cared about this story when it happened now I want to look at the case only coz of all the profesional detectives in the comments
Most people in comments are absolute morons though
@@simonbaribeau4853 like u
😂 seriously….
@@simonbaribeau4853 Why because they have a differing opinion? I think she is guilty. I have always thought she was involved, and I have the freedom to have that opinion without you getting angered. I'd bet my last dollar she participated in the murder.
@@chrisgullett4332 no, not because difference of opinion. Because lack of critical thought, empirical evidence, and expertise.
Perfect point when he says that they double down when they are shown to be wrong. Case in point Richard Jewel and the Atlanta bombing.
@xman559 I just don’t understand how people whose job it is to uncover the truth can hold on so firmly to a discredited hypothesis. Is it just ego, or are they afraid admitting they were wrong would hurt their careers?
@@TheWchurchill4pm Yes...to both.
@@TheWchurchill4pm It's about time that society start introducing consequences for such belligerent incompetence.
Don't forget in Italy you're Guilty until Proven Innocent , so the stakes are a lot higher and you have no freedom you are stuck in Jail till your trial, they can hold you as long as they want.
@@rottierumbles9451 In Italy they can hold you in jail without formally bringing charges for up to one year. In the US, depending on the state, they have 48-72 hours to bring charges or they must let you go.
really she calling a dead woman a bitch ! she really hated her and killed her
No, you've misunderstood. Knox was describing the PROSECUTOR'S scenario. It's what HE thought Knox was thinking. "
" ...so what is likely to have happened in HIS brain is that I was
hanging out with Raffaele and Rudy, Meredith comes home, she starts scolding
me for my bad morals and then iIm like you know what , bitch, we're gonna rape you and kill you that's that's his scenario..."
“there are thousands of Americans in jail today
on the basis of far less evidence than there is against Amanda Knox."
-alan dershowitz, Professor of Law at Harvard Law School
Dershowitz had a lot of misinformation like many people here. The SC said none of the evidence against them supported a guilty verdict and the previous two convicting courts should not have convicted them on it; they should have been acquitted by the first court.
@Javier - he’s right. But that speaks more to their innocence than it does to Amanda’s guilt.
I’m waiting for Pingtrip’s edition of this, it’s going to be hilarious
LookUp
Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂 😆
I wish Meredith Kercher wasn't a background detail to this story.
Right?! 🙁
Thank you for this comment 🙏💜
That’s a different story, and it’s her families place to tell that. There’s no way a person who knew her only a couple weeks can be expected to do her justice.
She is guilty to me....
@Paul sansonetti super guilty saved by us 🇺🇸 powerful diplomatic efforts...
Amanda knox isn’t as innocent as she acts, she didn’t commit the crime directly but was most likely involved. Barely showed any concern for Meredith at the time and for her to now call her ‘friend’, straight up sus
The prosecution said she was the one who inflicted the fatal wound. They even presented an animation of it in court with Guede and Sollecito holding her down while Knox was on top of Kercher. But that fell flat on its face when the allegation that Kercher's DNA was on the knife was discredited by independent, court appointed forensic experts with far more training and experience than the police 'expert', Stefanoni, and the police video of her and others failing to follow many standard anti-contamination protocols. Stefanoni's DNA analysis procedure on the knife was, as experts put if "deeply flawed". She set the PCR parameters beyond the machine's ability to accurately detect DNA as per the instructions. . The two experts, Conti and Vecchiotti said Kercher's DNA was not on the knife. Their analysis was accepted by both the Hellmann appeal court and the Supreme Court over Stefanoni's.
Barely showed any concern for Kercher at the time? Who do you think it was who called Romanelli, one of the other roommates, when she couldn't get ahold of Kercher on the phone? Who do you think it was who called the police? Knox has always called Kercher her friend, not just 'now'.
Knox had no motive to kill Kercher. No one testified that they had anything but a good relationship...a "normal friendship" as the guy Kercher was dating and who lived downstairs from them testified to in court (: "It was a normal relationship, I mean I saw them go out together, it was a normal friendship." Not a single person said they ever heard Knox say a negative word about Kercher and they socialized together. A week before she was killed by Rudy Guede, the two girls went to a music concert together. Laura Mezzetti, the other Italian roommate testified in court:
"In all honesty I wasn’t at home a lot because of my studies, in any case the relationship between the girls seemed good to me in the sense that they were girls of a similar age, both spoke English, and so I thought the relationship between the girls was good, in any case neither spoke to me about the other.
Mignini: Weren’t there any complaints made by one of the other?
Mezzetti: No"
This case reminds me of the "Beatrice 5" case here in Nebraska. The local sheriff's department and court system convicted 5 people of a murder using interrogation dirty tricks and fabricated evidence. The higher courts released all 5 people after a man already imprisoned confessed to the crime and gave details that only the perpetrator would know about. The 5 people received a court settlement worth millions of dollars but not one cent has thus far been collected, one of 5 died in an accident after his release.
I literally didn’t know about this case until I saw the “Mind Over Murder” documentary
Beatrice 6
i’m from omaha and i have never heard of this
Joe on UFC : " I know a killer when I see one "
Also Joe :
OJ is going to come on 1 day. After joe gets a larger desk.
So Joe has Arya Stark's ability???
@@brianjacobs1283
Ugh that was so cringe
@@Dark_AbsoI it was the worst quote in the entire show which helped cap off the worst ending in TV history. It kinda just sticks with you.
Read "the Monster of Florence" Mignini was the same prosecuter in Amanda's case. Mignini prosecuted 20 different innocent people ,(all acquitted) alot of them spent years in prison over Mignini's false allegations. He was also charged and convicted after that case for abuse of office.
That poor office 😪
Yes most of these posters are joe Biden voters. They have no clue who she is or what happened. Still don't understand why the British girls family are still blaming Amanda. DNA don't lie.
@@drwerwolfenstein7124 wtf lmao it's a trumpster so we know he eats his own poop. makes sense, right? such a bizarre and irrational connection you have with reality
@@drwerwolfenstein7124
There was no DNA evidence.
Mnn
Les Grossman claims :
"People need to remember that #amandaknox is a convicted felon for putting #patricklumumba in jail. She'll always be a second-class citizen."
In the US, Knox is not a convicted felon as the US does not recognize demation as a criminal offense but as a civil torte.
The ECHR ruled in 2019 that Knox's conviction was 'unfair' due to Italy violating her rights to a lawyer and to an unbiased interpreter during her interrogation. They ordered Italy to pay Knox 18,400 euros which Italy has done. They also directed Italy to file and Action Plan on how they will rectify her "unfair" conviction. The ECHR is still awaiting this Action Plan.
I remember in 1st grade someone tagged on the teachers stuff and she asked us all to write on a piece of paper so she could compare our handwriting. Jokingly I used the same crayon as the tagging and the teacher actually got me in trouble for the tagging which I didn't even do! That's when I realized you can be accused and convicted of a crime you never committed. I learned that in the 1st grade.
Then when I was like 14 I had to pay for a laptop I didn't even break with two other kids and I was like well what if it was this other kid broke it too because if I blamed him then we would split the cost between 3 kids instead of just two. So basically I took someone down with me just because I was accused to have less punishment.
So twice accused and prosecuted for things I did not do! I was never found innocent 🤷♀️
I bet Amanda never thought she’d be discussing jujitsu 😅 Joe on the other hand 🤷🏻♂️
@Fax WTF is that link bro?
I can’t stop watching Seven Hunnid on TH-cam, he a real n*gga
@@e3IZrZ the link showing that he is a taliban member
@@e3IZrZ lol don't click it. It's spam. He's liking his own comments 🤣🤣🤣
Do you think they......rolled?😏
Her case was when I realized that journalistic integrity was dead. Our American press had her tried and convicted, without doing any research, just repeating what the Italian press wrote. And I believed them. Then I read an article about the case in Rolling Stone magazine and it blew the case wide open for me. It was then that I saw how her story was manipulated, and that she was innocent.
Yup, search for "One of the Most Shameful Episodes In Journalistic History"
Serious lack of empathy for Merideth
Really? How so?
@@Sam-pie One: I'm not a 'bro'. Two: My posting history and interest in the case is my business, not yours. No one is forcing you to read anything.
That's because she's a sociopath who got away with murder.
@@katec9893 She's been interviewed in person by both a prison psychiatrist and Dr. S. Kaufman (psychologist) and neither found her to have any kind of mental disorder. Kaufman gave her a psychopath test and she scored "very, very low" on it. But who to believe? Two doctors or internet armchair psychologists who haven't got a clue?
@@Sam-pie You are right, I assume that person is one of her paid PR team, they've written 1000s of comments defending her and relentlessly harass people in the comments who can see through the lies.
What an awful quality of life she must have i.e. constantly looking over her shoulder for when the truth will expose her. How did Knox know the victim had her throat slit before the actual investigation had begun!?!?!?!?! ALL of the DNA evidence was contaminated or planted ;) i.e. in OJ Simpson style ;) I could never understand why someone who was innocent would change her alibi approximately 10 times. Plus, Meredith was good at karate (never mentioned in the USA) so it took extreme force to overpower her that night. "I was sleeping all night", eh, your laptop & mobile phone records suggest otherwise my darling! What about the shop store owner who saw you at 7:45am waiting for the shop to open to buy cleaning products-fact. The evidence points to 3 people being involved & she is one of them. Plus she admitted to being at the scene of the crime via her "present" to the police i.e. her written statement which slandered her boss. She was at the house front door when the local police dropped by with the victims 2 mobile phones, what was she doing? Emptying a bucket, was this from her cleaning the property of evidence? Beyond bizarre was the 5 page email to people in the USA 2-3 days after the murder. Someone is Seattle contacted the local homicide squad in that city because it was incredibly suspicious indeed. I feel for the decent & good people of the USA who have been told colossal lies about this case for nearly 15 years. We in the UK are STILL waiting for her to take the lie detector test she promised over 10 years ago, why we will waiting forever ;)
Wow. Your knowledge, or more accurately, lack of knowledge is incredible. Read and learn:
1) " How did Knox know the victim had her throat slit before the actual investigation had begun!?!?!?!?!"
Because she was told so by Luca Altieri on their way to the police station in his car as he testified to in court:
Altieri: Yes, yes, yes, after a while, you know, after the Red Cross car arrived, the Scientific Police and the Carabinieri arrived, all of them, after a while one of the two medics, I believe, the driver of the Red Cross, it wasn’t an ambulance, he came out of the crime scene, let’s say, from inside the house, speaking to one of the Carabinieri that was there outside and he described a bit about what had happened, saying… referring to the both the fact the her throat had been cut and that she had also fought back, let’s say, and from this I understood this thing.
Mignini: OK, do you remember if Sollecito spoke to you in the Police Station, did he speak of this fact? What did he say to you?
Altieri: Look, the only exchange of words was while we were going to the Police station in the car, let’s say, where he asked me if she was dead. I was a bit shocked at the question, I responded “yes”. And then after he asked me, if I remember correctly, how she died, something of this sort, and so I explained to him this thing that I’d heard outside."
(Altieri testimony pg. 223)
"Dalla Vedova: No, I wasn’t asking for your opinion. You said to Amanda: I heard that there is a girl which it seems… killed because she has a cut on her throat and she started to cry as a result of this.
Altieri: Yes
Dalla Vedova: In that moment was Sollecito nearby?
Altieri: He was in the car, in the back seat.
Dalla Vedova: And he was trying to console her
Altieri: We were going to the Police Station"
Altieri testimony pg 224)
2) "ALL of the DNA evidence was contaminated or planted"
No one, including the defense/Knox/Sollecito ever claimed there was any "planted" evidence. As for contamination, only two pieces of evidence were found to be highly likely to be contaminated and this was by the two, independent, court appointed forensic experts:
"ITEM 36 (KNIFE)
Relative to trace B (blade of the knife) we find that the technical analyses performed are not reliable for the following reasons:
4. International protocols of inspection, collection, and sampling were not followed;
5. It cannot be ruled out that the result obtained from sample B (blade of knife) derives from contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling and/or analyses performed."
ITEM 165B (BRA CLASPS)
Relative to Item 165B (bra clasps), we find that the technical analysis is not reliable for the following reasons:
4. The international protocols for inspection, collection, and sampling of the item were not followed;
5. It cannot be ruled out that the results obtained derive from environmental contamination and/or contamination in some phase of the collection and/or handling of the item."
(Conti-Vecchiotti Report, pgs. 144-145)
Prof. Conti, M.D. and Prof. Vecchiotti have Ph.D's in forensics and are professors of forensics at La Sapienza University in Rome. Their report was accepted as the final word by the Supreme Court in 2015.
3) " I could never understand why someone who was innocent would change her alibi approximately 10 times"
Not true. The only time he story 'changed' was during the interrogation of Nov. 5/6 when she was illegally interrogated without a lawyer (Giordano Supreme Court ruling, Oct. 2008 and ECHR ruling Jan. 2019). She recanted it within hours twice in writing:
Nov 6 Memoriale: "In regards to this “confession” that I made last night, I want to make clear that I’m very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn’t remember a fact correctly."
"But I’ve said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my head has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked."
"... I want to make very clear that these events seem more unreal to me than what I said before, that I stayed at Raffaele's house."
Memoriale 2, Nov. 7:
"This is what happened and I could swear by it. I’m sorry I didn’t remember before and I’m sorry I said I could have been at the house when it happened. I said these things because I was confused and scared. I didn’t lie when I said I thought the killer was Patrick. I was very stressed at the time and I really did think he was the murderer. But now I remember that I can’t know who the murderer was because I didn’t return back to the house."
4) "Plus, Meredith was good at karate (never mentioned in the USA) so it took extreme force to overpower her that night."
No, John Kercher told the Daily Mirror "She went to ballet and in her teens did karate, reaching her third belt."
The third belt (out of 10) is an orange belt; beginner's level: "Ranging from beginner belt to more advanced ones, karate belts colors are as follows: white, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, red, and brown." "Orange represents the growing strength of the sun, so the orange belt is given to a beginner once he or she has mastered karate’s 10 self-defense moves."
A man with a knife does not need 'extreme force' to overpower a small woman with only a beginner's belt.
5) "I was sleeping all night", eh, your laptop & mobile phone records suggest otherwise my darling!"
Her laptop showed nothing as the police fried the hard drive while attempting to copy it, rendering it completely useless:
"Following the tests carried out, by various interveners, it therefore appears that the Toshiba disk belonging to Miss A Knox’s Toshiba-brand laptop was damaged with problems evident in the electronic board, which resulted as being inactive, just like the other two."
(Marco Angelucci, Computer analysis report, March 31, 2008, pg. 12)
Her cellphone was turned off from 8:35 PM Nov. 1 until 12:07 PM Nov. 2, so it also revealed nothing (Knox cell phone records).
6) "What about the shop store owner who saw you at 7:45am waiting for the shop to open to buy cleaning products-fact."
You mean Marco Quintavalle, owner of the Margherita Conad store, who first claimed NOT to have seen Knox when specifically asked and shown a photo of her by Det. Volturno about 10 days after the murder. Sworn testimony of Det. Volturno, March 13, 2009:
"QUESTION - Do you remember the kind of inquiries [accertamenti] you made? First list them to us and then describe them.
RESPONSE - ...After a few days we traced the store, which was a Margherita Conad store - located right at the start of Corso Garibaldi, where both the owner and the assistants recognized Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox in the photographs that we showed to them. Raffaele Sollecito was a regular customer of this store, whereas the girl had been seen two or three times in his company.
QUESTION - Together with Sollecito?
RESPONSE - Yes, yes, in his company. In this store we also asked if by chance they had noted in the days immediately preceding the homicide or immediately after if they remembered whether these people had purchased this product, however they did not remember…"
But, miraculously, Quintavalle could remember her OVER A YEAR LATER, in detail, after saying he did NOT SEE HER just days after the murder.
The store cashier who was also there the morning of Nov. 2, Ana Marina Chiriboga, also testified that she had not seen Knox either:
"WITNESS - Yes, he (Quintavalle) asked us: "But you didn’t see her?" and I said: "No, I didn’t see her because... I didn’t see her", so I didn’t see her."
(Chiriboga Testimony, Oct 2008, pg 74)
And she did NOT buy anything, much less cleaning products...because she wasn't there. Quintavalle never said she bought anything:
"… If they had asked me… also because, I repeat, when the young lady came into my store I did not see her leave with anything, because when she passed by, and she passed by again, when she left I caught a glimpse of her out of the corner of my eye as she was leaving, I did not notice that she had a shopping bag [busta] or anything in her hands.
PRESIDING JUDGE [PRESIDENTE] - Are you talking about the morning of 2 November?
RESPONSE - Of the morning of 2 November. I don’t know if she bought anything, I don’t know. My assistant doesn’t remember if she bought anything. I’m not in a position to say whether she bought anything or not…”.
(Quintavalle testimony, March 21, 2009)
7)" Plus she admitted to being at the scene of the crime via her "present" to the police i.e. her written statement which slandered her boss."
Already covered with the recantations in her two written memoriales.
8) " She was at the house front door when the local police dropped by with the victims 2 mobile phones, what was she doing? Emptying a bucket, was this from her cleaning the property of evidence?"
Nope on both. Peter Quennell, the owner of the guilter website, TJMK, started that lie and it's been repeated frequently by people who get their info from that website. But no police officer, or anyone else, testified to seeing a mop and/or bucket when they arrived. In fact, the police video taken that day shows the mop inside the cottage in the storage area where it was kept. It is then wrapped in gift wrapping by Stefanoni, the police scientific officer. The video is available on TH-cam. Testimony of the first police on scene:
"WITNESS - When I arrived there were the two young people sitting...
PROSECUTOR - The two young people, that is the two defendants?
WITNESS - The two defendants, yes, sitting in front of the windows of the cottage where there is...
PROSECUTOR - Oh, in front, I mean, where exactly were they?
WITNESS - They stood near the corner, where the fence makes the corner, right in front of the windows.
There follows a two page long discussion of Romanelli's window, what the two were wearing, and what they said. But what is missing is any mention whatsoever of a mop or bucket. Read it for yourself: pgs 63-64 of Off. Battistelli's testimony of June 2, 2009. Google it.
You can also read Fabio Marsi's testimony, who arrived with Battistelli, pgs 119-154, while you're there. He does not mention a mop or bucket, either.
9)"Beyond bizarre was the 5 page email to people in the USA 2-3 days after the murder. Someone is Seattle contacted the local homicide squad in that city because it was incredibly suspicious indeed"
That was on Nov. 4 at almost 3:00 AM after being at the police station since the afternoon of Nov. 2. She was exhausted but wanted to give her friends information on what had happened. Whether it was "beyond bizarre" or "incredibly suspicious" is a personal opinion based on your own bias, not a fact. None of the other 23 recipients thought it suspicous enough to send to the police. The sender, Marcel Van Zuylen who was a former boss, never said he sent it to the police because he found it "suspicious". He just didn't know what to do with it so he asked a Seattle police sargeant. (Police file records)
10) "We in the UK are STILL waiting for her to take the lie detector test she promised over 10 years ago, why we will waiting forever ;)"
She never promised to take a lie detector test. She said she "would be fine with that" in her Daybreak interview in 2013. She was never asked by the police to take one because they are not allowed in court as evidence because they are not reliable. Besides, it would be a no-win situation for her. If she failed, the colpevolisti would claim it proves her guilt. If she passed, they would claim she passed because she's a psycopath who believes her own lies.
I doubt you'll read my posts because they don't support your bias and disprove your claims.
RIP Meredith Kercher. Joe Rogan should interview her family for balance.
Nah, Joe is just a quasi mainstream media member now. He wouldn't try to be fair. That Spotify money visibly changed him. Fucking sad
He won’t. Joe has a list of “Celebrities” that are doing new projects and need promotion. She’s either got a book or a Netflix show coming out soon.
@@Shiny101 just going for the views yeah… I jumped from JRE to Lex as soon as Joe went to Spotify. He had all the money anyway so why sell out…?
What would her family know about facts to the case the families view is emotional only emotions arent facts if you wanted the other sides story that lays witu the prosecutor my take anyways
One agrees
R.I.P. Meredith
She has an undertone of hatred for Meredith. Amanda is sick
LOL. Another armchair psychologist.
I get a weird vibe from her she could be 100% innocent but the words she chooses and the way she talks/looks while explaining certain things is off I wouldn’t be surprised if she was complicit in the murder.
I don’t think her choosing her words carefully shows she’s complicit. I think it’s more that she wants to ensure that she’s not misrepresenting herself, which is smart, all things considering.
she is just akward
I think it was Rudy and her and her boyfriend all together
She's being replaying the story in her head for years now. There's definitely more to that. But no one will know I'm afraid.
What's strange is that the supposed break, the rock is smaller than the hole on the window, suggesting it was staged. Now, why would someone fake their own break-in? Furthermore, the black dude knew Meredith. I think Amanda staged the break-in after the fact. Also, body language and how she keeps latching on to what joe is saying is a lying technique. She is super sus either way.
The probability that we are listening to a cold hearted murderer is not 0%
"Good thing it wasn't me." Not a response of a sociopath at all.
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Then what is it??
@@alexnutcasio936 50/50
R.I.P Meredith ... Amanda Knox is a cold blooded NARCISSIST ... how dare she call Meredith a bitch ... she was definitely involved.
I suggest you listen to what she said again. SHE didn't call Meredith a bitch. She's saying what the prosecutor, Mignini, claimed what SHE THOUGHT and the scenario he presented in court:
"...but HE kept thinking , "okay it's near it's the day after Halloween so maybe it's a satanic sex ritual. We know that there's some kind of sex thing involved. We know that Amanda is like, well, we know we know that Amanda has sex with people so she's probably a sexually obsessed person and Meredith looked down on her for being a sexually obsessed person. " So what is likely to have happened in HIS brain is that I was hanging out with Raffaele and Rudy, Meredith comes home, she starts scolding me for my bad morals and then I'm like, "You know what, bitch, we're gonna rape you and kill you". THAT'S HIS SCENARIO."
If she was involved, then where are her DNA, her bloody footprints, her fingerprints anywhere in Meredith's room or on her body?
Joe is moving up in the world, finally getting Theo's old guests 😂
Nah she moved up in the world, although it is suspicious if Joe gets a plumber and a coroner next lol
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Who is Theo?
First of all Joe died of Covid and Tim Dillon is now the biggest podcaster in the world.
See this Joe Rogan at his best. Interesting podcast a guest we have mostly forgotten about. This is why I listen.
This is just like old Joe Rogan on TH-cam
True!
I agree, together they're killing it!
Theo did it first
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I remember when that was in the news. Italian press called her "the angle with the ice eyes". If you look at her you know why.
Yeah...the Italian media did nothing to shape the public's negative view of Knox with such rhetoric. And influence the jury members who are allowed to read , watch, and discuss whatever they want DURING the trial.
She was GUILTY !
No she wasn’t lol
@@brandennieto6934 she was found guilty and the second time it was changed . I think she still was and it doesn’t matter what you think at all .
When you were in prison did you ever try DMT?
That's hilarious 😂
Absolutely hilarious. If u get it then you're a long term JRE viewer
I watched the whole thing; Joe actually offered her psychedelic mushrooms. Like, right there.
Wow! What a killer guest!!
Lol
Spot on ! spot on ! Love to Meredith and her family
Good one
@@redsquirrel5501 cringe
lol dude
She is not innocent , you are wrong joe
Would you care to tell us on what evidence you base your statement? Was it her DNA, bloody footprints, or fingerprints in Kercher's bedroom? In the hallway?
Joe's new thing. He gonna start promoting innocence project and have guilty murderers on like Bruce bryant .. where he can cry on camera. Pathetic. Nice of him to do a little research on his guests. Nah, he's blk, has to be innocent .. let me just roll with it. Just vapid, virtuous vomit.
She had a shower after she saw the door was opened .. there was a bit of blood here and there... somebody took a dump didn't flush...chaos in the house.. any reasonable person would be apprehensive the 2nd it is apparent there could be someone in the house because of an open door....(!) .. and check on roommate(s) and check the perimeter... right?!? Not Amanda.. she simply went in and took a shower.
Also the way she and her lover were kissing there at the house with the police present.. highly inappropriate behavior that is just eery given the circumstances. In her phone calls with friends after this tragic event.. but also in her interviews, police questioning etc.. she didn't show any sign of empathy, sadness, loss, remorse, guilt, being shook up or anything. She talked and continues to talk about the situation she found herself in, as if she had a flat tire..or as if she was trying to get rid of an annoying mosquito... and not about the fact that her roommate, a girl her age and that she knew, lost her life.
I found that all to be very very abnormal and I still don't belief her based on her behavior and interviews; I think she's innocent the same way we are led to belief OJ Simpson was innocent. Her behavior is the equivalent of OJ's duping delight caught by the camera during his trial.
The door would blow open in the wind if not locked with a key because the latch was broken. Finding the door open was, she assumed that had happened or one of her 3 roommates had just forgotten to lock it. Her mind didn't jump to murder. She looked around when she went in but nothing was out of place in the living room/kitchen or in her bedroom. The only blood she saw was a tiny amount in the sink before she showered. Would you assume someone had been murdered or that your roommate had an accident? She saw Meredith's door was shut but assumed she was sleeping in as she hadn't returned home until dawn the morning before.
The way they were kissing? They weren't making out; Raffaele was holding her and gave her 3 quick pecks for comfort. Look at the pictures of their faces and tell me they were being inappropriate again. Those are not the looks of people "canoodling" as the Brit tabloids put it.
"In her phone calls with friends after this tragic event.. but also in her interviews, police questioning etc.. she didn't show any sign of empathy, sadness, loss, remorse, guilt, being shook up or anything."
Nonesense. This is just plain not true and it's just something you're repeating.
"I think she's innocent the same way we are led to belief OJ Simpson was innocent."
LOL! Hardly anyone thinks OJ is innocent and no one in the US promotes his innocence. You don't know what you're talkng about.
"Her behavior is the equivalent of OJ's duping delight caught by the camera during his trial."
Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick! Stop believing what so called body language experts are saying online in order to make money. Body language isn't a science. That's why the same so-called experts can watch the same thing and come to opposite conclusions. It's why it's not allowed in courts as evidence.
Explain to me how there is NO forensic evidence of her in Kercher's bedroom when her killer, Guede, left so much of himself in that room. I've asked and asked, and not a single person has replied. Not one.
@@mytrip6991 Nobody owes you an explanation to begin with but your poor reasoning skills might have something to do with "not a single person" replying to you.
Since I have a bit of time anyway, can type really fast.. and like to correct a thing or two of what you assert... here's my reaction.
"LOL! Hardly anyone thinks OJ is innocent and no one in the US promotes his innocence. You don't know what you're talkng about."
Clearly you mix us up since you're actually arguing in my favor without realizing it; suffices me to say that there was a reason why I connected OJ Simpson's trial (and the public's thought on it) to Amanda Knox's trial.
Just re-read the text you quoted me on and maybe you'll see it.
On a side note: by writing things like "LOL", and (later in your reaction) "jezus H Christ on a pogo stick" you make yourself come across as immature and, in the context of a horrible death to be mourned, as out of touch with the drama as Amanda has shown herself to be at the time.
Glad you underlined my point by writing "hardly anyone thinks OJ is innocent.. and no one in the US promotes his innocence."
By that you're suggesting that the few who belief in/promote his innocence aren't in the US, and that's interesting given the twist in that dynamic this time around; a US citizen having stood trial in a murder case in Italy and being promoted as innocent in the US but - as with the OJ trial - not so much outside.
Just to be clear; I'm not saying Amanda Knox did it (herself).. but I am saying that a scenario in which she at least had known about it or even facilitated it, isn't as far fetched as some who believe in her innocence profess. On the contrary.
Either way, her reaction at the time - as is very well documented - didn't reflect positively on her (to put it mildly) and was consequentially at the expense of her credibility or trustworthiness when it came to the narrative she had in mind to prove her innocence.
Exactly because of that, and her obvious lack of compassion at the time (which had nothing to do with being young or quirky) - and because I have no personal attachment to her either - I feel at liberty to express my negative opinion on her.
You can disagree with me or even dislike me for it and that's fine. I reckon that for Amanda it is a given that there are (many) people who continue to hold things against her (to say the least). Such is life and she's dealing with that in a dignified way. Good for her.
About this and other recent interviews.. It is obvious that she used her time to get her bearings very well, and is now able to rationalize what happened and reason her way through the drama in a way that is compelling and convincing.
But in spite of all that, I can't help but think that the narrative she is able to articulate and propose, is the result of a coping mechanism that doesn't necessarily reflect the truth.
Last thing I want to communicate about all this - you may react again but I won't reply - is that my thoughts aren't with Amanda, but with the family and friends of Meredith.. after all, Amanda Knox isn't the victim of this crime, Meredith Kercher was.
@@Thijs-Kuiken Maybe your poor reading comprehension skills are the reason why you think I said no one has replied to me. I get plenty of replies. What I said was:
"Explain to me how there is NO forensic evidence of her in Kercher's bedroom when her killer, Guede, left so much of himself in that room. I've asked and asked, and not a single person has replied. Not one."
THAT is what no one will answer. Do you see the difference?
Regarding OJ, you are the one who doesn't get it. You said , ""I think she's innocent the same way we are led to belief OJ Simpson was innocent."
Who is 'we' exactly? I'm certainly not suggesting that " the few who belief in/promote his innocence aren't in the US" because I don't think many outside the US care about an American ex-football player who killed his wife and another man. So you assumed incorrectly.
As for my being "immature" for using 'LOL', that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. My opinion of you is that you're rather pompous.
Knox's reaction at the time-as is very well documented- didn't reflect positively on her because of the way the media was portraying her. For example, the Brit media using the term "canoodling", which has a sexual connotation to it, when describing Raff's comforting Amanda outside the cottage. Anyone watching the unedited video showing their somber faces and not just the 3 quick pecks he gives her which was shown over and over, could see that there was nothing sexual or inappropriate about their behavior. The British and Italian media consistently presented her in a negative way and repeatedly referred to her as Foxy Knoxy.
Your negative bias affects how you interpret what she says and does and you assign that to her as if it's factual. For example: "It is obvious that she used her time to get her bearings very well, and is now able to rationalize what happened and reason her way through the drama in a way that is compelling and convincing," and "a coping mechanism that doesn't necessarily reflect the truth." You don't consider that she is just plain telling the truth.
You believe she was somehow involved...yet you fail to present any reasons supported by actual evidence. Instead you do what so many people do: assume you know what she felt as in "her obvious lack of compassion."
In your last paragraph, you try and take the moral high ground by claiming your thoughts are "with the family and friends of Meredith" as if those of us who believe in Amanda's and Raffaele's innocence don't. I, and all those I know, have great sympathy for the Kerchers.
As for Meredith being the victim, I agree, but she was not the only victim of Guede. Amanda and Raffaele are also victims: victims of a lying killer who refuses to take responsibility for his crime and a prosecution that put them in prison for a crime they did not commit because they couldn't admit they were wrong.
@@mytrip6991 I WILL ANSWER YOU:
hoping you will not call me "ignorant fool" as you already did.....before to write I'd like to inform you that English is not my language, JFK.
Ok, now, it's true that Amanda's DNA was not found inside Meredith's bedroom (which doesn't mean that it could not be there, the scientific police don't analyze every millimeter of a crime scene, otherwise it would take them 10 years), but Sollecito's DNA was found inside that room and if he was there, it means that Amanda was there too.
What you probably don't realize is that the ones who stab people, on the contrary of those who rape women (like Rudy Guede) will not leave their DNA on the body of the victims, but *on the handle* of the knives they used to stab the victims (if they don't wear gloves), or, thing that can happen if they get injured during the attack too, the police will found almost certainly their DNA (from blood) on the victim's body (or somewhere else on the crime scene) and/or mixed with the blood of the victim....as happened in this case.
Jodi Arias stabbed Travis Alexander 27 times, she cut his throat and dragged him by the ankles, BUT NONE DNA belonging to her was found neither on Travis' body nor in the bathroom where she killed him...but she did, she even admitted to it.
The point is that there is some people (the innocents creators) who want people to believe that we leave DNA every time we touch something or someone (untrue) and every time we enter a room....laughable. The reality is completely different.
Anyway, INSIDE Meredith's room, besides the fact that the crime scene included ALL THE COTTAGE (and even outside) and in the bathroom, in the corridor and in Filomena's bedroom (the ransacked one), Amanda's DNA (from blood!!!) was found mixed with Meredith's DNA in the blood of the latter and the fact that 3 different set of bloody shoe/footprints were found: in Meredith's room, in the bathroom where those who killed Meredith washed themselves from blood, in Amanda's bedroom and in Filomena's bedroom, and matched Rudy Guede's Nike shoes, Raffaele Sollecito's right foot and Amanda's feet, in Meredith's BEDROOM were found ALSO 3 partial bloody shoe prints (on the pillow under Meredith's body) of a woman's size 37 (Amanda's size).
This doesn't prove that those shoes belonged to Amanda, but it proves that Rudy Guede wasn't there alone and that one of his accomplices was a woman.
The hairs found inside Meredith's bedroom (and in "incriminating points" as the duvet that covered her body, her purse, her sweat-jacket, her mattress cover and even HER BRA) belonged to Meredith and to other 3 individuals: one had black about 4 cm and less long hair (like Rudy's hair), one was blonde (like Amanda) and one had light chestnut about 9 cm long hair (like Sollecito) and one of those light chestnut hairs was found on Meredith's BRA!
@@mytrip6991 By now I have little doubt that you're projecting the frustration of being criticized too many times about your inability to read and interpret a text correctly.
I know I wrote I wouldn't react again, so I guess I shouldn't have written that since I feel compelled to point out certain aggravating elements in your writing with which you again try to misrepresent me and my take on this drama.
When you quote me, you conveniently leave out parts of what I actually wrote, just to make an argument that doesn't have anything to do with the point I made; they are easy to spot strawman arguments that befit your simplistic writing and the childish self righteous tone of it.
Speaking of bias; I like you to say hello to the halo effect manifested in your writing.
I miss the days when I could watch joe rogan on youtube. Now I just listen on spotify. I know I can watch on spotify, but that's now how I use that app. I used to just stumble upon Joe's podcasts here and randomly find one interesting in the moment and wind up watching for 2 or 3 hours.
The good ol days!
Theo gonna be jealous that Joe's talking to his girl.
@Fax wtf is that shit lol
@@Cweets thats quran have some respect
@@ali-mk4of but why post it here?
@@Cweets lol,I listened to it as well. I thought the same thing. I was like WTF is this shit.
sippin on that soysauce in the driveway working on that sound system ganggang
One thing I don't like is that in any interview I've seen her give when askes about how she felt when Meredith died is that she skirts around the question and then just brings it back to herself, "it could have been me". I mean, even if not close, her flatmate has just died in horrific circumstances and she can't express any kind of empathy or sadness for her suffering?
This interview is from Sept. 2021, almost fourteen years after the murder; Meredith hadn't "just died". After the murder, Luca Altieri, who kicked down Meredith's door, said she did cry both while outside and while in his car on the way to the police station upon him telling her how Meredith had died. She also got very angry at the police station when talking about how Meredith died which is another normal reaction to a tragic death.
There are no interviews with her "just after" Meredith died. In fact, there were no interviews for several years. The first interview she gave was in April, 2013 so 8 1/2 years after the murder.
Just how much emotion should she show for a flatmate she knew for 6 weeks years ago? What should she do? Cry? And then get accused of shedding 'crocodile tears'. Besides, not everyone wears their emotions on their sleeves.
Sociopaths like her lack empathy so she has none for Meredith.
He has always denied Meredith’s 2007 murder - but plans to mention her former roommate, Amanda Knox, in his book.
I’m actually looking forward to reading the book. I don’t expect to believe any of it. But I will certainly read it.
@@TheWchurchill4pm That's OK, your opinion is not needed.
@@lesgrossman1274 Funny...your hair said the same thing when it ditched your scalp.
One of the best interview in JRE. 3 hours just flew by.
Hopefully she had to turn in knives at the front door.
@@ontherunjg No worries. Joe got bigger knives and skill to use 'em.
It sounds like it was a terrible interview. Did he ask any questions around why she was the main suspect: her diary, behaviour in the police when they took her, insensitive comments witnesses spoke about? I don't see any of it being asked here
@@shonebx because this is just 17min out of 3 hours 🤦🏽♂️lmaooo duh
@@shonebx I think Joe did ask some of the questions. You shld watch it again. However, I'm more interested to know Amanda as a person than anything else in this interview. And she projected herself as a well centered person. I like her personality.
Everyone should know that taking you someplace for your own protection is always jail.
I cant believe she berating her murder victim... on a Podcast!!
@@realMaverickBuckley so she did it because of sex ? You people are dense
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@@realMaverickBuckley people claimed they were friends and ''why didn't she give a single care meredith died?? she was was your friend and your making out with your boyfriend all happy!'' This was a very big part of the case and people always bring up how cold she is. so she's probably trying to be clear.. It seems she probably disliked meredith. They weren't real friends and she just didn't care at all. Too busy sucking face with her new boy toy alphonso de credenza or w/e,,,,
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Just read some of the comments below, some people still believe she's guilty despite the lack of evidence against her, and the fact that the Italian supreme court complete exonerated her. Some people refuse to accept facts. Dummies.
If she was non White, non American, she'll be sitting in jail right now. This woman lied and sent an innocent Black Man to jail. Her pr team has done an incredible job to portray her as some type of victim and people like you are buying it.
@@donatta1857 If she were a non white, non American she wouldn't have been framed by the prosecution in the first place. The testimony that sent her employer to jail was coerced by the prosecution, that's part of the story of wrongful doing on THEIR part, not hers. The man who went to jail for the murder had his dna all over, on, and inside the victim, and he had a violent past. He was guilty of murder by himself. And I'm not buying any PR, I'm basing my judgement on the FACTS.
@@donatta1857 The black man she sent to jail for a few days was her boss at the pub she happily worked at as a waitress.
She was coerced into implicating him because (get ready for this) the Perugian police HATED the guy long before Amanda set foot in Italy because he ran a pub that really annoyed the locals. So, the cops thought, "2 birds, one stone".
Guede who raped and killed the student (evidence all over the place) did just 13 years of his 16 year sentence. He's already out. But the courts wanted to give 26 year sentences to Amanda and her then boyfriend and they were NEVER at the murder scene.
Don't buy into anything you read about this case. Italy's judicial system has done far worse and it's always getting reprimanded and fined by the highest EU courts.
I think she did it.
Why
100%
Imagine if I think you did something incriminating and led a hound of media and corrupt justice system to convince that you are. I bet you’d believe in it too.
The eyes chico, they never lie
Bro she did it
@@MrFeeny911 No she didn't. Take your fantasies elsewhere.
YES BRO
@@kng3785 yeah she did. Look at the case. The only reason she skipped on it is cause authorities mis handled evidence. Just cause you say doesn’t make it true you weeb.
@@MrFeeny911 You are not believing things as they are reported?
Thais not Joe Rogan audience i know.
This woman is guilty as hell. A sociopath who got away with murder with a very expensive PR team. I'm glad to see people can see through her.
Please stop armchair diagnosing her. As I've told you, a psychiatrist and a psychologist both interviewed her in person and both found her to be psychologically normal.
@@mytrip6991 You're incapable of accepting that anyone has a different opinion to you. You must have written at least 1000 TH-cam comments defending her. We all know she's guilty, there's masses of evidence against her, she's a promiscuous lying sociopath, anyone with a brain can see this. Nobody believes your lies, get over it.
@@katec9893 No, what I don't like is people making claims that are debunked myths and disproved claims as you have made. Different opinions are fine, but only if those opinions are based on accurate facts. Otherwise, they're just ignorant misinformation.
"We all know she's guilty": No, you believe she's guilty based on your ignorance of the facts. The Supreme Court of Italy has found otherwise based on the facts.
" she's a promiscuous lying sociopath, anyone with a brain can see this"
No, anyone who is ignorant of the facts and/or incapable of admitting error believes this. For example, you think you know better than two mental health professionals who interviewed her. Talk about hubris.
She's so creepy always playing the victim card. RIP Meredith
She was a victim: four years in prison for a crime she didn't commit, 15 years of being reviled and the target of disgusting insults and even death threats, and her entire 20's taken from her when they should have been some of the best years of her life. Why don't you target the POS who actually sexually assaulted and murdered Meredith with your hate? You know: Rudy Guede.
Killer podcast bro !!!
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