Amanda Knox Case Analysis | Mental Health & Personality
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- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the Amanda Knox case (Meredith Kercher murder)? Was she guilty of murder? What are the mental health and personality factors at work in this case? Support Dr. Grande on Patreon: / drgrande
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The sad part is that the circus of the trials and media more or less forgot the victim. Everyone have heard of Amanda Knox not so many of Meredith Kercher.
As a Brit we always felt Meredith was almost forgotten and people got so focused on the lovers. Her family never really got the answers they wanted and needed. Sadly Meredith’s father died fairly recently never having got over his daughter’s brutal murder.
I didn't even know her name 🙄
@Sebastian Burns what
@Sebastian Burns So what?
Sebastian Burns,
And you ignorant point is? Britishness is by definition an ethnically diverse term but I don't expect a racist moron to know that. That you thought to vomit your racist nonsense over a murder victim proves beyond doubt what a worthless bellend you are. Off with you.
Really depressing that I've watched countless bits of news coverage along with that documentary and yet I walk away knowing nothing about Meredith Kercher.
Very true. From everything I’ve read Meredith was the polar opposite of Amanda.
@Lance Wells One thing we can be certain of: Meredith was murdered by Rudy Guede. This is a fact.
Who?
@Lance Wells They never proved that. It's because Amanda is American...that's why you say she's guilty.
@Lance Wells OH, is that how you determine if a person is guilty...by watching them? and listening to them? and reading their book? If I went through what Amanda went through and was innocent...I'd write a book too. Perhaps, LANCE, you should write a book telling the entire world how to tell if a person is guilty. You would save the courts a lot of time and money. Go for it LANCE, you know it all...please share your knowledge with the world.
As a scientist, it’s always been the DNA evidence for me. There’s no way she could have selectively cleaned her DNA out of the crime scene. And the way the investigators handled/contaminated the evidence is appalling.
As a scientist? Umm your not very smart if you rely only DNA in a highly complex rape and murder. Charles Manson wasn't at any crime scene you genius scientist lady...
@@cafferacer obviously it was a complex case and there were a lot of factors, but the Italians were arguing (from my memory of it) that Amanda & Rafael cleaned their own DNA from the scene and left the other guy’s, which is impossible.
@@jacquelynroe9036 The italians never said that Amanda cleaned the crime scene where did you heard that?
I can't believe hey gave bigger sentences to Amanda and her boyfriend than the actual killer, whose DNA was all over he crime scene.Morons for prosecutors. Don't think I will ever visit Italy. I might run a red light and end up in prison.
@Logan Craddick nm
Meredith Kercher is the victim...we all should remember her. 😔
Who?
@@chairde the young lady who was murdered.
@Peter Smith so Amanda Knox didn't do it.... interesting.
There are several victims herr
@@americandream74 such as... I'm really wanting to know...I didn't know it was more to the story...anytime there's a murder it effects so many people.
When the investigator said “it had to be a female who covered the body” I was like and here we go, an investigator with his own theory that will not change no matter what.
It was a clear case of investigators punishing potential witness/suspect (Knox) for not being 100 percent honest about what they were doing that day, or what their relationship is with victim or other suspects. The problem is, everyone has secrets, and no one expects a murder to happen and to be suddenly under extreme scrutiny. Young people party/do drugs/sleep around, and cops can spin that into crazy story about sex murder games. It's just total nonsense but they know a jury might buy it if they don't like you enough.
Someone watched 3 episodes of criminal minds and thought they were sherlock
@@timb4248 I kind of felt like, in this case, it was more like they punished her for being honest about what she was doing....the prosecuter just didn't like what she was doing.
She admitted to having sex and smoking marijuana with Raffaele Sollecito, because she probably figured that wasn't a big deal. They were investigating a murder, so surely her and Sollecito smoking a joint in his apartment wasn't worth caring about in comparison?
Except to someone very conservative like Mignini, that just made it more likely she'd take part in some kind of sex game that led to murder, because it was confirmation that she was immoral.
DNA proved the case. What is Rafael's blood doing on Kercher's bra strap? Amanda played rings around her stabbing of Kercher? It was Amanda's idea to open the front door of Kercher's house to allow Rudi to come in for sex games unbeknownst to Kercher!
Yea that's so stupid. Plenty of men do that after commiting a murder because they don't want to see what they've done
I absolutely did not like the lead investigator. He led entirely too hard with his dogmatic principals and religion and gender roles/ expectations. I honestly feel like he botched the investigation with his awful theories.
Oh gosh I am so disgusted by this man. I don't know how he lives with himself.
of course he did - he had power during the Berlusconi era, which loved tabloid and cliché media coverage. and you're right, the did botch the investigation with his theories. Amanda was on Whitney Cummings' podcast and explained a lot - highly suggest, it's so interesting
Thank you .. he clearly has ego problem .. and has way too many fabrications without evidence
I remember watching the documentary and him saying "It has to be true, because if it isnt, it's just not fair" what an asshole.
Absolutely. I also felt like he was super contaminated by religion turning it into a modern day witch trial. Ofc she was guilty because she was """promiscuous""" which. This BS and other theories all pulled out from his backside
Perhaps one of the worst things they did to Amanda was falsely tell her she was HIV positive so they could get her to write down a list of every guy she’d slept w/ (which was only 7, pretty normal for a 21 yr old college girl from Seattle.) They gave the list to the press. & then 2 weeks later told her she wasn’t actually HIV positive. Think of spending 2 weeks in prison believing you have HIV at age 21 while being accused for a murder you didn’t commit! It’s unforgivable.
She was subjected to so much more than just false accusations and a sentence of a murder she didn't commit. I feel sick and I feel so very bad for her. I really hope she'll be able to move forward and rebuild her life, and heal from all this.
yes. amanda was a victim too. she must be a really strong person
That is a huge number of sexual partners, leading to very dizzying mental problems.
@@christinesbetterknitting4533 you are kidding ... 7 people is not a “huge” amount of sexual partners and to say that would lead to mental health issues is laughable
@@joulesafrica actually it is... especially at 21...
I have read a lot about this case over the years and I tend to agree that Amanda and Raffaello were not guilty of this crime. I felt that the Prosecutor tried to portray Amanda as “the loose American girl”. I agree that through everything that happened the victim, Meredith Kercher was sadly forgotten.
the problem is American girls have different perception of foreign countries, they imagine those movies about foreign countries.
the police and prosecuter should be treated like chickens for destroying that poor girls life.
You did not read the evidence then. Amandas DNA mixed with Merediths blood in the "break in room"..for starters
next time read a lot carefully. Raffaello do not exist in this case. Raffaele is the correct name.
AK -- guilty!
As an Italian,this whole rigmarole is a huge blot on the Italian justice system. This shouldn’t have ever happened.
Do you have any specific criticisms of the Italian legal system?
You haven't explained why this shouldn't have happened.
Also, this happens in all countries. I know it happens here in the USA. Police and prosecutors put innocent people in jail. It’s rare but it does happen and they’re in jail for 30 or 50 years.
@@daisyjune5135 It's a lot less rare than you think ..
@@mrharryrag It shouldn't have happened because they had no evidence of Amanda's guilt & in fact, they had DNA evidence of someone else's guilt (Rudy Guede, who had no ties to Amanda). Their entire theory of Amanda's supposed involvement in the crime was 100% conjecture. (The theory being that it was a sex game gone wrong). Amanda had no history of violence & she didn't even have a motive. She barely knew Meredith. They were roommates. Not best friends- although they got along fine by all accounts. Plus Amanda spent the majority of time with her boyfriend by the time the murder occurred. Also, given that Amanda was not Italian & unfamiliar with Italian laws & the way the justice system works, they should have automatically allowed her to speak with a lawyer & the American embassy. Amanda wasn't even provided an interpreter & although she spoke some Italian, there was somewhat of a language barrier (exacerbated by stress). Amanda had an opportunity to leave the country shortly after the murder but decided to stay & meet with Meredith's family. Does that sound like a guilty person to you? Also after Amanda spent 4 years in prison & was cleared of all charges in the first trial, they put her on trial AGAIN (which which would be double jeopardy in the United States). Why? Because they didn't get the answer they wanted the first time. Given all of that injustice, is it really that hard to believe Amanda was bullied or assaulted by Italian police? I believe it. She was only 19 for god sakes. She was a scared kid in a foreign country & they rail-roaded her, smeared her reputation, & made up a theory of the crime where they lacked evidence.
Does that answer your question?
The cops were so crazy in Perugia, it actually made me realize that the Monster of Florence (a serial killer who has never been identified) might actually be a member of the Italian law enforcement.
"How to make up excuses that no one will ever believe"
LOL
Same book read by OJ Simpson.
The best line of the whole story LOL
Like in the video series THE SOPRANOS: "It was three black guys."
if they were so off about Amanda and her lover is it not possible that they were also off about her sex partner (consentual?) for that evening and that he too is not the killer. I don't know I think there is behavior that people engage in that really is embarrassing immature and denotes an sense of entitlement I suspect Amanda is guilty of something if only that she's so selfishshe is engaged in petting at a time that doesn't call for petting. There are appropriate ways to respond when in shock and kissing a lover is not one of them. The observation is either way. Going back to who is the actual killer where is the exact evidence for the man sentenced? if petting after discovering a murder is excusable how is it provable that a ridiculous statement is cause for guilt? the last few of these that I've listened to have lacked in-depth information regarding motivation emotion and a discussion on elicited responses
@@katherenewedic8076 Engaging in petting outside a murder scene is not a crime. At worse it was in poor taste, but if we were to put people in jail for acting in poor taste, then we would not be able to build enough jails to hold all of them. Also if we spend all our resources on putting away people acting in poor taste by falsely accusing them of murder, then very likely the people who did the actual murder would be getting away.
The lack of Knox's DNA in Merediths room would also require her to somehow have removed all of her own DNA, but managed to avoid removing most of Rudy Guede's DNA.
So not only can she see DNA, but she can tell it apart? 🤔
Too easy-she mopped and cleaned all blood specimens from the wall and floor but forgot about foot blood specimens of Rudi and his shoe patterns and forensics picked this up. Knox had hair and fingernail specimens uplifted from that room by forensics! There was a fingerprint on the far wall of the death room that belonged to Solecito! It was a political decision to exonerate Knox and she knows it owing to threats on Italian trade made by Trump of America! Knox and Solecito worked together to promote a sex party with unwilling Meredith!
What if the 3 of them cleaned up all the DNA then Knox and her boyfriend left the room? Afterwards they had Guede go back in the room knowing he would spread his DNA all over. This way only his DNA was in the room even though all 3 of them were present when the murder took place.
@@brandonkeith8302 it’s way easier than all that. Knox and boyfriend killed her together and then Knox came across an old dusty lamp in the attic and just for laughs, rubbed a genie out of it. Then asked the genie to plant dna on an innocent man. I mean just look at Amanda’s face. Don’t tell me she’s not hiding this genie fact.
@@brandonkeith8302how would they entice or coerce Rudy to go in there, because Rudy would know if they all cleaned it and he went in alone he would 100% be implicated? When you’ve finished watching or rewatching this video, you can put all the other evidence that exonerates Amanda and her bf and implicates Rudy together😬
It makes a lot more sense with the other evidence that they didn’t all 3 clean it up because Amanda and her bf weren’t there to leave any DNA to clean up
@@brandonkeith8302 not likely.. I think the evidence was mishandled and or contaminated
The entire justice system of Italy has to be a freaking circus. How did they get a guilty verdict not once but twice? Because of 3 kisses out side of the murder scene? What an embarrassment.
Where as we’ve never seen or heard of any injustice in the American Justice system??????WTF???
@@julielevinge266 Now this is the part where you show me where I said the American justice system was any better. I'll wait.
@@RealityCheck1993 You can't be tried over and over for the same crime usually in the USA.
If anything is a "freaking circus", it's Anglo-Americans who so frequently feel entitled to misbehave whenever they go abroad, always expecting to get special treatment just because they speak English. Australians and English Canadians also exhibit this mindset.
@@Suite_annamite Did it feel nice to get all that off your chest? It must have felt heavy, the way you were so excited to chuck it into any situation, given that we're talking about a woman who's life was derailed for years being implicated in a murder by the powers that be, and you're complaining about rude tourists that pass by sometimes. Which isn't to say that any of that isn't true, just that I don't think those things are comparable. I get the vibe that you're reading something in my comment that isn't there, and I encourage you to not.
"Failure to think logically," is a problem that pretty much covers a lot of the people Dr. Grande covers on his channel lol
Including himself.
@@kayem3824 Sounds like you got something to say, but can't manage an actual comment. There there.
Let’s keep trump out of this....
@@wolfafterdark He has constructed his "logic" in order to fit a predetermined conclusion.
@suny123boy1 Thanks for letting me know.
I remember following this case when it first broke, and thinking “why are these reporters so wrapped up on someone else’s love life?” And also how insane the prosecution sounded. Truly it’s sad that all we can remember from the papers is “Foxy Knoxy,” not Meredith Kircher.
If you actually read the hundreds of pages in the case files you see KNOX IS GUILTY. Everyone knows that there is overwhelming evidence against Knox. This Dr. Grande clown didn't look deeply into the case.
@@ajhindalou The Supreme Court ruled Amanda Knox was at the crime scene. However, they cited lack of evidence of doing the murder for political reasons of extradition. Everyone can see the evidence and use Occam's Razor to personally determine she is GUILTY!
That is the modern media for you. The real killer is behind bars yet they still push the whole narrative that they do not know what happened and that Knox was involved even though that is not the case.
@@bighands69 Nope. The modern paid corporate media is the only reason Knox got off. All the evidence is against Knox.
“Why are reporters so wrapped up in people’s love lives”….really? That’s been the story of literally EVERY major crime of this type for the last 30 years
These two were basically framed by the police. It’s disgusting and terrifying.
But then the guy who ACTUALLY did it...who’s DNA was EVERYWHERE...only got 16 years?!?! Infuriating case.
The first thing they (the police and prosecutors) did was try to frame the first black man that they found that had any kind of link to the case
@@bjones8470 Amanda was guilty (as were the police) of being "a team player" to "catch the bad guy". She played along with every leading thing that the police told her. "Play along with our leading suggestions so you can be the hero who puts the bad murderer away for life". They asked her leading questions about the Black guy at the club, and she went along with it and embelished even more fake details. Perhaps a neighbor had seen Rudy Guede climbing into windows, which he was known to do, and when they queried Amanda she jumped on that tidbit of info and implicated the innocent club owner just because he was also Black.
It is this type of behavior that causes so many innocent people to be wrongly convicted, so it serves Amanda right to go to jail for making the false allegations.
Warn everyone who travels there.
This case is so sad in so many ways. I remember watching the news about this case as it was happening and thinking, "How and why would anybody think this woman is guilty?" There's no evidence anywhere of any sex/mind games being played from any of the three. From that moment on I've been irrationally afraid of being arrested in Italy. I understand that Americans, in general, can have a wild reputation in other countries, but Amanda's background was not one of those wild sorority girls. There was nothing to indicate, at all, that she was wild, unhinged or engaged in wild sex orgies. (And even if she was any of those things, that does not make her a murderer.) And the physical evidence is just not there. I feel like there was an investigator who got a theory and then tried to make the "evidence" fit the theory, rather than the reverse, and then didn't want to give up that theory because, well, he wanted to be right.
Italian justice system sounds like a giant cluster.
@Lance Wells where is she now?
@@enochhammer70 Free in Seattle, I think.
Cluster fuck.
It is. Coming from an Italian-American. The system there is all sorts of fuckery compared to America.
American justice is completly wrong and the police is corrupt
Have lived in Italy for the last 30 years, yes the Italian judicial system is a joke, embarrassingly so
You're right, the racism and mass incarceration prominent in the US judicial system is so much better.
Pff get off your high horse. The Italian justice system is slow but it is fair, with high regard for Human rights. This case was an exception. (from someone working in the Italian judicial system)
@@japyivy Well, fair point about the U.S. judicial and prison system. I don't know about the Italian system, but I must say, this Amanda Knox case scared the s*** out of me, and made me afraid to visit Italy, due to uncertainty about how capriciously some in their judicial system could behave toward a foreign visitor. My concerns only increased as the bizarre-- even surreal-- tragi-comedy continued, year after year, until Amanda and Raphael were finally released, and THEN a retrial and guilty verdict in absentia occurred! Mind blowing stuff. But, hey, here in the U.S. we've just been watching how, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, a white police officer slowly suffocated to death a handcuffed, non-combative man, all while being filmed by a bystander, and being implored by onlookers to stop hurting this man. And then, although he and 3 other officers were fired, the County Attorney failed to proceed with an arrest [or arrests] for murder. Not until after rioting finally broke out, in many cities around the country, did the arrest of the guilty officer occur, earlier today. So, yes, this lack of parity in applying the rule of law is, indeed, happening everywhere. It is my hope that the oppressed citizenry around the world will rise up and refuse to continue accepting all forms of human and civil rights violations, from these top-down, patriarchal, hierarchical systems that are as outdated as feudalism and need to be replaced with systems that do not permit these institutionalized, rampant, egregious and unaccountable abuses of power. May Heaven help us.
So is America. Everyone gets off if youre a celebrity . . Ever hesr of the Central park 5 that were unjustly thrown in jail all 15 years old spent 16 years in jail for an attack on a jogger and they were innocent. Another man confessed. Give me a break about American justice system
@@bettinabettina7155 The American Justice System is most likely to send someone to jail for selling weed than raping someone, but at least we don't make up sexist and racist conspiracies to put innocent people in jail when evidence tells us who the real perpetrator is.
@@cutienerdgirl 😂😂😂 I can't believe that you wrote something like that: in your opinion the American Justice System would be LESS RACIST compared to the Italian one? 😂
Anyway, nobody made up "sexist and racist" conspiracies to put innocent people in jail, in case is Amanda Knox who made up lots of false stories, not only about what really happened, but also about being fingered because a "young girl sexually active" (well.....we Italian women have sex too, and already before miss Knox from Seattle came to Italy, we didn't need her to learn us to do it...) or, even more laughable, because American!
PS: the truth is that she's been able to get away....not being American, I would better say, fooling American people.
Another great eval Dr. G. I am Italian American and I'm ashamed of the incompetence and outright fraudulence of Italian authorities in this case.
With all due respect,the Italians are not used or experienced in crimes such as these. \
@@lizmacleod8903 Right, nobody has been murdered in Italy before.
Italians are notoriously hostile to foreigners. They wanted to railroad an American with zero evidence. You don’t need lots of experience to know this is wrong. They have around 350 murders a year, it’s not utopian.
They didn't hold her accountable because she is American. American citizens can do whatever they want elsewhere because their country is powerful and they created nato. Months ago a drunk 22 yo female American soldier killed an Italian young boy while driving. She went back to the US, didn't get a process. Amanda Knox, we all know how it went. The mass murder of Ustica because of your "top guns" playing around? They got back to the US and got promoted. America is shady and gets away with anything.
Thank god for the Italian Supreme Court! When Meredith and Raphael were outside they had not known or seen what had happened. The door was locked and they had not been able to open it. It is important for police to be trained to be objective and follow the evidence. Not every person behaved the same way when they are exposed to trauma. There was another case where a young woman with a hard childhood was raped at her house and then the police didn’t believe her and charged her with false reporting. Then several years later the police in another town arrested a serial rapist and found pictures he had taken of the first victim with her license. The danger of arresting someone based on emotions or ego instead of evidence is that the real criminal is still out there and may continue to harm others.
It’s been shown that the police often have certain beliefs about how one should behave after a crime, and if you don’t behave that way, they don’t believe you. Here in the SE US, it’s important for a female to cry after a crime. That’s what the police expect. So let those tears flow ladies.
This is so addictive. I can't believe that Dr. Grande doesn't have millions of followers. Definitely the most thoughtful TH-camr. Nice to see in our world where everything seems to be treated like a zero sum game.
he might not have millions, but he got one more now !, well in aproximatly 2 seconds after i post this comment.
He's a breath of fresh air.
I like his videos and thoughtfulness. But I also seem to disagree with him in the end.
@@kevinbowen6182 How and why exactly?
Brian Clay
Because he's a hack.
Is the book, ‘How to make up excuses that no-one will believe’ still in print? Lol 😂. I admire the occasional, short, and witty bits of humour you put in these videos. Thank you. 👍
I wasn't there - some other guy did it - I don't know these people - it was done before I got here - my leg fell asleep - I had Quidditch practice
@@RobTangren You forgot one. "These aren't my pants."
@Beverley Lumb Well, she was convicted also in Italy, and she would be still in prison if she was an Italian girl, trust me!
I used to have that book, but the Pope stole it from me!
@Beverley Lumb Like OJ Simpson? like Casey Anthony?
Let’s not forget how damaging Nick Pisa’s abhorrent reporting of this case was for Amanda. Between him and the lead investigator they absolutely trashed Amanda’s reputation
its ok, she's a murderer
Amanda trashed her own reputation when she committed murder
Reputation? By her own admission, Rafael was the third sex partner she'd had in the two weeks that she had been in Italy. Knox was no shrinking violet. Having spent many years as an entertainer and having known scores of promiscuous women; you'd be hard put to find one that was very emotionally grounded.
Lesson learned: Never vacation in a provincial, religiously based country and have a leg-spreading fest without the possibility of recrimination. Karma - if you will - doesn't work with direct exchange.
@@adamjames5027 she was exonerated. Wtf are you talking about?
That is just one reporter featured in a documentary. He was not a tabloid journalist though. British and Italian tabloids are equally as bad as eachother.
It is cases like this that make me scared of the law. The detective that went after her was a misogynist out to punish Amanda for kissing her boyfriend. I can't believe they were convicted on emotional assumptions and not evidence.
@Misogynistic Person duh
@Misogynistic Person what's your problem
The reasons they did all that is because she very obviously lying in all the interviews. Many interrogation red flags. It is a fact she is lying about the events. We don’t know if she murdered or not but she has a hand in if
@@latortugapicante719 What interrogation red flags? She’s innocent the investigators were gravely mistaken they contaminated their own crime scene. The notion that Amanda’s dna was on the murder weapon. A kitchen knife there’s my dna on a kitchen knife so if someone killed my roommate I’m guilty because I have dna all over the house and the knife. Yeah that’s bs. Where did she lied? Listen to his so called statements. “Hitting her own ears, to block the screams of a victim. Covered her body only women do that to female victims.” So what about Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez are they women too because they try to hide bodies too? Speak sense not stupidity.
@@prometheusvenom7189 your information is superficial. Just because mistakes were made doesn’t mean she wasn’t at the very least partially guilty. There was evidence, and Knox lied plenty and repeatedly
Pumping out the content! The Doc is spoiling us lately.
That's what happens when you are stuck indoors most of the day during a pandemic. I noticed many TH-camrs are more frequently uploading content.
Well there's a murder every 33mins in the US alone, so he's never going to be short of things to talk about! Thankfully 😁
@@sarahholland1375
From your mouth to God's ear...
Bullshit, superficial and romanticized analysis of a killer.
Hey Kyle I don’t mean to be rude but is your dad Jordan Peterson by any chance?
Knox is an oddball, but that doesn't make her a killer. Oddballs need to be careful in this world. The unusual person is always a suspect when things go bad.
How about lying like crazy?
@@artemis2569 Fortunately for us all that's not how the criminal justice system works.
purewonka:
I think you've made a good point.
Societies often conspire against individuals they dislike or don't know or can't understand, outsiders of all kinds; outsiders threaten the hierarchies in society and question society's interpretations of life. Some societies should be tried under the RICO statute (or something like that); isn't our government a racket, an organized criminal enterprise?
Addendum: Colin Wilson's great book "The Outsider" is a study of the outsider as a kind of personality type, and is full of references to other literature on the subject.
Digression: "Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members." --Ralph Waldo Emerson
(The perfect illustration is circumcision, if you'll pardon the--intentional--pun. In this case, everyone enters the world as an outsider and is quickly and brutally shown their place.)
@@purewonka unfortunatly for you, your justice system doesn't work at all!
D S - I think you should watch the documentary. She is not the most likeable person, she’s weird, this doesn’t make her guilty. The legal system in Italy has many flaws and the press pushed their narrative of Foxy Knoxy which made them millions. You’ve latched on to this unfortunately.
The greatest script writer couldn’t come up with a tale such as this! Crazy story...what a saga.
Thank you for this.
I love Italy, but their criminal justice & politics sure are shady.
Yes i agree its pretty shady in America also but I have to admit the Italian prosecutor just came up with some of the hard to believe theory s I ever heard in a court of law
But still pretty good compared to America‘s justice system for example
@@narcis3720 Not even close
America is the best in everything we all know that
you'd think having the highest incarceration rate in the world by lightyears would make it the safest place, but instead..
So Rudy stated a “mystery man” must have murdered Meredith while he was in the bathroom & they still pursued charges against Amanda & her lover? This is ridiculous!
Rudy was surely not inside the bathroom when Meredith was assaulted...but neither Amanda and Raffaele were at Raffaele's place sleeping....😉
Italians are sentimental about blacks
Por black guy got all the blame and had to pay the price which should have been paid by Amanda and Solcecito? Who else could have done the act?
@@davidroux7987 You go for the most far reaching excuse when the obvious most logical is right in-front of you. They did prosecute and convict prison the black guy, so there is no reason to belive they are covering up for him. What you do have a reason to believe is that they really really wanted to prosecute the American girl. They wanted a soap opera drama that would make them global celebrities prosecuting an American girl. That's every global prosecutors dream and shot to fame, they know US media followed by international media (all the CNN's all over the world) will report on it bigly. Take some of the Doc's advice and let's start using logic.
@@rosamila1758 How the hell do you know, Miss Knowitall? Were you there?
Moral of the story: Never talk to the police!
More like don't kill your roomate.
@David Archer
He couldn’t have killed her on his own. Knox was involved look at the mixed blood etc.
Kircher was the victim...shows how much you know. 🤦🏼♀️
Yep! Lawyer up! Immediately.
A slip of the finger, I bet I know more than you with your bible of one Netflix special
Dude I've been watching your channel for a week or two now and I really appreciate your videos and your in-depth analysis. through all of your videos you keep a very calm and professional tone in your voice but when you make a joke it's usually hilarious especially because of your tone of voice throughout.
The prosecutor really sounds like Sherlock Holmes, coming up with deductions out of nowhere. That's what happens when you base your actions on a fictional character...
Sherlock Holmes would never come up with such crazy theories he also builds a case based on evidence and then confronts the accused with that evidence in the hope they will flip out and do something stupid which is exactly what the accused does in the novels.
That detective was nothing like Holmes and there is something suspicious about why they rushed the case which made it look like they were ignoring real evidence and then engineering other evidence.
The police were 100% reliant on Knox actually breaking and it was the reason they went beyond all reasonable efforts in questioning her. The police also used the inconsistency of translation to catch knox out. They also convinced the boyfriend that Knox was guilty so that he would make up false allegations that then forced her to make up even more allegations.
Watch the documentary and you can see the police walk into the crime scene with absolutely no contamination prevention.
It would not surprise me if some of the scene was altered by the police.
As I recall, this prosecutor later claimed some judge or other member of the local judicial system was part of a cabal of satanists who were performing rituals to place a curse on him. The guy was a complete nut job. He basically invented a sex fantasy involving a young American exchange student and then ran with it as his case.
you absolutely do not know how the police and reality work in Italy and you rely on information from the American media that would have accused any person to obtain Amanda's release from prison. An Italian detective relies on the evidence of the forensic police and cannot possibly invent a case. The same happens during a trial, it relies on evidence. The Italian forensic police are quite efficient and do not go around contaminating crime scenes. Your opinions are quite absurd and you have seen too many movies. The Italian law enforcement agencies have to face problems that are certainly more complicated than this murder.
@@albebelt3013 Yeah, sure. Because it is 100% possible to erase just your own DNA from a crime scene. I could write a book about how screwed up this case was, but others have already done it. But you'll never believe them because they weren't written by Italians, I guess.
@@gravityissues5210 How you could write a book when you were not even on the crime scene and you non nothing about Italy? That's going to be a crazy book.🤣 I don't care about defend Italy or italians, we are not perfect, we can make mistakes. But I don't like lies, I live here, and sometimes americans have a distorted percepition of reality.
The police/prosecutors, all to often, seem to begin with an assumption of guilt, and then work backwards to look for ways to justify the assumption.
Lin Na 👍
And they have massive pressure by the public to solve the case & get the killer behind bars. Or they just want to get re-elected (like what happened w/ that corrupt idiot Nifong in the Duke Lacrosse Case.
This is what the ‘guilters’ don’t get. None of the evidence against Knox actually counts, because the Detectives were incompetent. The case files are not proof of guilt, because all evidence against Knox is fantasy, delusional, invalid, and should never have been entertained in a court of law.
12:05 - "I guess they simply didn't have enough experience standing outside the scene of a murder to know what the appropriate actions would be."
Man, haven't we all been in her shoes at some point? I remember standing outside my first murder scene...boy did I make a few etiquette no-no's, lemme tell you. Things like smoking a cigarette, gasping...I think I might even have made a pearl-clutching motion once or twice. Imagine my embarassment!!!
LOL! Good one!
I practice all the time so I'm prepared for just such an occasion. lol. I also always make sure I never put a blanket on anyone that looks like they might be dead, being a woman and all.
I have never been around of a murder scene of my
room mate but my guess is I would be devastated and I definitely would not be making up.
@@frumtheground Oh shoot...I'm glad you reminded me...I forgot to put a blanket over the one out front...brb
a young woman died and you all think its funny to crack jokes? Anyone who is not a sociopath would know not to behave the way she did outside of a murder scene.
meredith was murdered and yet you all thnk its appropriate to laugh at this nutjob's psycho reaction.
shame on you all.
I wish i can have your ability to analyze and articulate thoughts! Im a major fan!
Don't forget his sass!
I agree with Bruce Wang....
Same
Education helps.
He’s so clever, I’m super jealous
I've never been a fan of the psychoanalytic school of thought. The more I studied it at university the more I was seriously concerned about Freud's own mental state, especially when being told about his theory regarding the Little Hans case - it seemed like a much more obvious answer was available, much like this case.
I always had a hard time with this one. Likely because the media seemed to fuel the conspiracy theories on what actually happened the night of the murder. I do admit that I’ve never been a fan of her personality style in the various videos and interviews I have seen of Amanda, but like you point out, prosecuting someone should be based on objective evidence, not personal opinion.
@@skiplordoon2676 faulty evidence*
Skip Lordoon Which pieces of evidence point to their guilt?
@@skiplordoon2676 That's absurd. You can't be serious.
@Jonny B Well there is a lot not mentioned here. For instance, Meredith and Amanda's blood were mixed together in the handprints on the wall. The fact that Amanda, when left alone on the interview room was doing cartwheels and she showed no feelings of grief at the loss of her former flatmate. She lied about the timings of her visit. There is little evidence against Rafael however.
@@skiplordoon2676 ; she was persecuted, not prosecuted, and false and fabricated evidence. There is *ZERO* evidence that she is guilty.
The only person who had literally nothing to do with the victim is Patrick Lumumba, Amanda's boss at the bar and the authorities were that desperate for a suspect they convinced Anand to implicate him?
The Italian authorities are incredibly shady in this investigation.
Chris not to mention very racist. Speaking from personal experience visiting there
It is insane that the first thing the police did was try to pin it on the nearest random black guy they could find.
That is actually false, it was Amanda who mentioned Patrick first. While I think she is innocent, we learned a lot about her personality. She strikes me as a shallow person, without empathy and concern for others. I call that the rotten shallowness of the American middle class and the Italians were confused by it. I know very well both the American and Italian cultures. Just think about the fact that she was doing cartwheels in the corridor while waiting to be interrogated by the police for the first time, after her friend was murdered, not to even mention the fact she almost destroyed the life of an innocent man, just because someone was yelling. Look some of the videos of her when she was younger and you'll understand what kind of life she was living before coming into the real world.
Chris - Let's be doubly clear - Amanda and Rafael also had nothing to do with Meredith being the victim of murder.
@C M agree with both your statements. Just because someone is a "bad" person, that does not mean she/she is guilty. It's just an interesting case.
Amanda Knox's DNA was found on the knife, so..and 5 spots where Amanda and Merideth's blood and or DNA were intermingled.
Ya, I love watching body language “experts” try to “analyze” Amanda Knox. Perfect example to not always judge someone’ by their actions or expected reactions to a given circumstance. Great job on your objective analysis. Keep up your great work!
The doc is a Big Rock in this Genre
*" Perfect example to not always judge someone’ by their actions"* I thought we all are to be judged by our actions xD
Strangely, the The Behaviour Panel on here, consisting of 4 World leading body language and interrogation experts ALL believe that Foxy Knoxie was telling lies.
I watched The Behavior Panel analysis. They conclude that she's showing signs of not being truthful, but don't conclude that this proves she murdered anyone. If anything, it gives some credence to the idea that Amanda has off-putting behaviors that made the Italian police (lazily) suspicious.
@@gellisbarber1786 Amanda has Aspergers. That's why her reactions were unusual.
"I guess the didnt have enough experience of standing outside of a murder scene". Classic!
Psychopaths who had just killed somebody in cold blood and gone to great lengths to cover all the traces usually also try very hard to act in a "proper" manner - upset, emotional, tearful etc. All the evidence aside, Amanda's "nonchalant" behavior after the murder to me is actually a strong indicator of her innocence.
@@viborrr This argument is a bit of a stretch.
Give her time.
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Jordan Peterson believes her to be a psychopath give his video a look it’s very good.
@@PatriciaKelly-gz7vg Jordan Peterson? I guess it does take one to know one
There are two main problems with the case:
1 - DNA
2 - Italian court system
Don't forget about the 90-year old Columbo wannabe.
That idiot was worse than Baghdad Bob...
Do you think all the DNA evidence against the black man is reliable, but all the DNA evidence against the two white people was contaminated?
The evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito isn't limited to the DNA evidence.
The computer and telephone records provide irrefutable proof that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito lied repeatedly. They gave completely different accounts of where they were, who they were with and what they were doing on the night of the murder. Neither Knox nor Sollecito have credible alibis despite three attempts each. All the other people who were questioned had one credible alibi that could be verified. Innocent people don't give multiple conflicting alibis and lie repeatedly to the police. Both Knox and Sollecito admitted lying to the police. Sollecito blamed Knox for his lies.
According to the prosecution's experts, Amanda Knox's blood mixed with Meredith's blood in different locations in the cottage. Even Amanda Knox's lawyers conceded that her blood had mingled with Meredith's blood. In other words, Meredith and Amanda Knox were both bleeding at the same time.
Four witnesses, including two police officers, said there were shards of glass on top of the clothes on Filomena's floor. This proves the window was broken after the room had been ransacked and that the break-in was staged. It couldn't have been Rudy Guede because his bloody footprints led straight out of Meredith's room and out of the cottage.
The bloody footprint on the blue bathmat is a near-perfect match for Sollecito’s foot with seven out of twelve individual measurements having a 100% correlation to Sollecito’s foot. The bloody footprint couldn’t possibly belong to Guede.
“Guede's foot presents irreconcilable differences with the bathmat imprint“ (The Nencini report, page 275).
Guede didn't enter the blood-spattered bathroom after he had left Meredith's room.
“As a consequence, the shape of the bare footprint on the sky-blue mat in the little bathroom cannot be attributed to Rudy, who, on leaving Meredith’s room (according to what the shoe prints show), directed himself towards the exit without deviating or stopping in other rooms.” (The Massei report, page 379).
Knox's and Sollecito's bare bloody footprints were revealed by Luminol in the hallway.
It's not a coincidence that the three people - Knox, Sollecito and Guede - who kept telling the police a pack of lies are all implicated by the DNA and forensic evidence.
After Knox was informed that Sollecito was no longer providing her with an alibi, she stated on at least four separate occasions that she was at the cottage when Meredith was killed. At the trial, Sollecito refused to corroborate Knox's alibi that she was at his apartment.
Knox accused an innocent man, Diya Lumumba, of murdering Meredith despite the fact she knew he was completely innocent. She didn't recant her false and malicious allegation against Lumumba the whole time he was in prison. She acknowledged that it was her fault that Lumumba was in prison in an intercepted conversation with her mother on 10 November 2007.
Judge Nencini pointed out in his report that Knox made statements to the police that contained specific references to events that the investigation ascertained actually happened on 1 November 2007 and that nobody other than a participant in those tragic events could have known about. She knew that Meredith had been sexually assaulted and had screamed loudly and she placed herself near the basketball ball in Piazza Grimana which was corroborated by another witness.
It's unbelievable there are STILL people that think she's guilty. I've heard her speak on several podcasts recently and she comes across as very intelligent, well-spoken, self-aware and remarkably positive considering what a horrible ordeal she's been through. She truly survived a nightmare.
About the DNA missing from the room: I lived 1,5 years together with 3 other girls. I can count on my one hand on how many times I've been to their rooms. So I'm pretty sure they wouldn't find my DNA there. On the other hand, I also lived with a girl who was nonstop stealing my stuff, like clothes, she used them, then she put it back. Sometimes I noticed, sometimes not. But her DNA would be sure in my room. So yeah, not everything as simple as it seems.
After watching the Netflix documentary I couldn't help wondering how many innocents has that Italian investigator sent to prison. His reasoning was almost paranoid and he didn't seem to understand how he almost destroyed the life of 2 young people based on non existing evidence.
was going through comments to see if anyone else was gonna talk about the hysterical prosecutor. at the time when i heard the satanic sex motive i looked into him and found it was one he used frequently. always wondered why that was never thrown out immediately. how do you prove an imagined ritual?
@@starflakey Not only he wasn't thrown out, but he was promoted to a higher responsability (I can't remember exactly what). Absolute non-sense.
I know. I absolutely hated him in that documentary!
He was so self-important and arrogant.
Netflix would be of course on the side of the US girl obviously
You're right. I've seen many stories about people convicted of murder who were 100% exonerated by DNA yet almost every time, the prosecutor insists they were guilty. We need to hold prosecutors accountable when they ignore or hide evidence to convict innocent people.
New book: How to Act Normal at a Murder Scene.
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New Book: STAY the hell out of Italy.
Officer: what are you doing here sir!?
Man covered In blood: Oh me? I'm just chilling bro.
Officer: oh well in that case you're free to go my dude
Awesome video and very interesting points! Honestly you simplified it so much for me so thank you!
Yet, there are a lot of details which make the whole situation messed up.
I read the sentence, apparently Amanda was proven to be present in the house at the time of the murder, even though she could not have been implied directly.
I think Netflix documentary only shows a part of the truth.
Anyway, I feel really sorry for the family of Meredith. That was a really terrible case.
I don't remember this case when it actually happened. Having watched accounts of it in the near past, I was terrified. Any students travelling to Italy need to see this. I was appalled at the mentality of the investigators and prosecutors! This should not be allowed to happen in this day and age! It was along the same lines as medieval judgements and Salem witch trials! Those people are Mad!
Italy has a problem with misogyny. Even if Knox had nothing to do with the murder, she still needed to be punished for being free with her romantic passions.
You will be surprised that in some Italian regions, like Apulia and Sardinia, actually matriarchy is the anthropological standard.
Viceversa Sicily is pure Patriarchy and machist. Italy is in a strange equilibrium in between these two conceptions who share an overlap, family first. Always in a context of the pervasive "amoral familism" as conceptualized by Edward C. Banfield.
So misogyny could be readed as an "attack" of family from the outside, by individual freedoms.
It's notherless bad, in every case, and we should be hosting a public debate on misogyny in Italy.
If you will search the "role of women in mafia's faidas" you will discover up an entire subworld.
Nicola Grattieri, DA against Ndrangeta (the calabrian mafia), had a lecture on it some years ago.
Terrific families stories where, many times, behind the killing of opposite families members there are women of a family who "charge the men as clocks" in order to kill. For istance telling, while they are having dinner, something like "while you are eating my father eating dust", "you are not a real man", "I will not speaking to you until you haven't bring me my revenge..".
Very sad, becouse they hugly boost machism sometimes. Search for Maria Licciardi, the Godmother of Naples.
We are a familistic and classist society and this is one of the origin of retrograde misogyny in here.
But we are slowly changing, you can't stop societies evolution.
But the will of punishment for Amanda do not origin, in my opinion, from her romantic passions by from a different underestimate problem, the fact she were an american citizen in a country where americans are not persecuted even when they committed crimes, in most of the cases. It's a subdle will of revenge who sneakly runs inside italian public opinion. (this is bad too)
@@antoniopizzolatotroia8754 well, the two american guys who killed a policeman in Rome got life in prison on first degree trial. We'll see what happens next.
@@Arsenico971 I hope so, the problem we are facing with Americans in here are dual, the fist is that, generally speaking (not all of them, eg. A regular ordinary Bostoner with a degree in fine art who visit Rome for instance are not like that) are prone to aggressivity due to the fact that in US weapons are quite easiest to get and know, the second, what bother us more, is that they are not used to our cocktails and the respect of our place so they get into historical fountains as they feel allowed to do anything they want, or touch some archeological sites or write on the Coliseum. The main issue is that, in here as in any western country, we got a regular ordinary penal system and so you get arrested for crimes as anywhere around the globe(at least in the west). The murders of the Carabiniere was a very huge case in the italian public opinion so I hope they gonna have a fair trial and a sentence. I personally don't care if was executed in US prisons or Italian prisons. If you commit a crime all over the world is responsibility of the police forces to bring you in a court and, possibly, have a fair trial due to law couse is your right have one. For them I hope they gonna stay in Italian prisons but for their own good. It's a paradox, but in here we have a system based on the educational function of the incarceration so, after a while in jail, you will get released for good behavior and its hard have a full life sentence even if you commit murder (plus in your own cell you got in italy the kitchen in there and the food is quite good even in prison, you can cook what you want, they get you the grocery and than you can cook in your cell most of the times, so spaghetti and meatball are avaible almost everyday). In US is quite different the prison system, for historical and cultural reasons, in there they got the life sentence without the possibility of parole that, in here, is juridical impossible to inforce as Institute, apart the case you are a mobster and rule a mafia's family. In that specific case the re-educational function it is impossible and then we apply the art 41-bis of our penal code that implies the life in prison without the possibility of parole just as in Us. But only in that specific case of being the head of a gang so you are un re-educable in general. On the case what I saw is, due to these problems, we in here are persuaded that she were a murder (I can't express a formed opinion couse I should read all the files of the courts on the Knox's case, I suspended my judgment and let the courts do their work) but in the public opinion in US she are portraided as the poor girl victim of our bad system in here as the privilege American who split through the cracks playing the victim. Maybe are both false. I think that in a way the truth is in the middle. Maybe she hasn't done anything, talking about Knox, on the other she is very glacial and calculated in the way she behave so this is quite suspicious even without the full proof and she used the case for make all about her. The two guy was caught in plain sign of committing the murder in Rome was obvious, in the Knox's case is quite harder couse was so messy as situation, intricated and so I think I one of the few, as jurist, who think that in any accusatory jurical system you need the full proof to put someone in jail for murder, all the system is based on the concept that is "better having a fellon free that condemn an innocent person by mistake" and, in the dubble, maybe is better do not sentence a person in prison for murder without the full proof. The stereotypes we got, one on another, create many biases on our judgment on this topic, at least imo. For the Knox's case I personally belive that she embodied, way more than the mysoginistic stereotype of Italians, the resentment of the population, a sneaky resentment we have, on the behaviors of some (not every, some of mine us friends are so lovelly) Us citizens in Italy, mostly tourists, and when an US citizen are caught in a crime there is a thin and sneaky tendency of being quite harder in the court. (but this is not good at all couse any justice court are called and must be impartial in any case faced, no matter the nationality involved in the crime or the mediatic resonance of the case involved). 🙄
"I guess they didn't have enough experience of standing outside of a murder scene". This is why I had to put the documentary on pause and come here. Lol. You are the best.
And if you watch that exact same standing outside scene you will see that they show footage of the lead police investigator walk inside the property with no contamination prevention measures.
The even took Knox into the crime scene at one point to ask her questions.
@@bighands69 I know, it's so appalling.
I have watched the actual footage of Amanda and her then-boyfriend after the murder. She was clearly distressed, and he kissed her to comfort her. It was NOT petting or inappropriate behavior.
It looked like thy were soothing each other whilst both having intimate knowledge of the carnage in the murder room in the cottage.
Not only footage but ACTUAL footage. Wow o.O
Anita u need look at the overall situation and behavior ,. If it was yr family member you would definitely be chasing Knox for guilty . She was involved 100% , did she actually kill this beautiful innocent mild mannered girl? I dont know but she is concealing this crime for sure . Look at the family of this victim , very polite, carefully spoken individuals . All the family were similar in personality . So i am pretty sure the victim was a careful nice girl . Judging Amanda purely from her body language , she is a showing all the signs of a callous person . Not to mention her other antisocial behavior . Actually most murderers come from normal families , but USA seems to have an extraordinary percentage of these type of criminals compared to population . Probably because of the family breakdown and loose sexual practices , overall in this broken society . I would trust just about, any nationality before i trust an American thats for sure . Most civilized countries dont treat fellow humans the way USA treats there general population . Bring on China to show morals and leadership in the future . At least family is still the bedrock there . USA is finished as any sort of role model . More a joke now .
@@paivisean Well, there you are!
@@paivisean Your "analysis" (if it can even be called an analysis) is idiotic. You said Amanda Knox "was involved 100%" in the murder or concealing the murder. You base your conclusion on two flimsy ideas: (1) "Judging Amanda purely from her body language, she is showing all the signs of a callous person, not to mention her other antisocial behavior," and (2) "America is a broken society, and you trust Americans less than any other nationality."
You are obviously the type of person who "thinks with your feelings" instead of using your rational mind to critically analyze *THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE* -- which overwhelmingly proves that the lone murderer was Rudy, the violent rapist and thief (with a criminal record) whose DNA was found all over the crime scene. Amanda was exonerated by the Italian Supreme Court. Don't try to convict her in the court of public opinion.
The illogical thought on the part of the prosecutor is actually quite frightening.
It's illogical the way dr grande told his version of the story, go and research on unbiased sources
@@JJones987Any police encounter places people at risk of being harmed.
@@JJones987 thankyou !!!
What’s frightening is that the U.S pressured another sovereign country to release a woman convicted twice of murder because she was American.
The Appeal still held her responsible for a fake break-in, proof of an inside job. She had done another fake break in before.
The Appeal stated she was at the scene. There is a great deal of DNA evidence against her, as well as her numerous lies and failed alibis.
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Two knives were used in the attack, it needed three people to commit what was done to poor Meredith. She also had a bruise on her body that looked like it was from a woman.
Hi Dr. Grande! I remember this case. I also remember them judging the two of them when they were standing outside, really close to each other. As if that determined their guilt or innocence. Silly isn’t it how we pick those types of things out and run with them. I’m glad they have the right man behind bars. Enjoyed your analysis.
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They did not have the right man behind bars.
Dr. G: I appreciate your analysis on this topic. I find you to be a calming influence and thank you for all you do.
It’s really sad that investigators were more concerned with proving their theory right than getting justice for Meredith. She gets so lost in this case. Regardless of Knox’s innocence or guilt they failed to prove who actually murdered Meredith. No justice 🙁
Except the person who murdered her was eventually caught and is serving a 24 year prison sentence!
The way that they failed is by being so focused on Amanda Knox that this feels like an unsolved case when it isn't!
Rudy Guede had a history of breakins in Perugia before Meredith's death, and his fingerprints were at the crime scene including on a pillow under her body.
He did it.
She did get justice.
The tragedy is just that it doesn't feel like it because no one will ever be satisfied when it comes to this case. If Amanda Knox isconvincted again people won't be satisfied, if she remains aquitted people won't be satisifed.
sandpiperr This was Knox’s second staged burglary.
Not sure what you mean, the rapist and murderer Rudy went to prison.
@@chadb7252 Knox & Sollecito murdered Meredith, Guede was an accomplice.
The Italian Supreme Court ruled:
All 3 were present at time of murder.
Knox & Sollecito had no alibis for the night of the murder.
Knox washed Meredith’s blood from her hands.
Burglary was staged, Knox only one with motive to stage it.
Knox is a liar.
There were multiple killers.
Guede did not act alone.
Guede did not wield a knife.
Guede had less motive than Knox to commit the crime.
@@katesleuth1156 What was Knox's "motive"?
Have you covered the case of Oscar Pistorius and Reeva Steenkamp?
This would be very interesting!
Yes! That would be great!
Yes, Oscar Pistorius’s murder of Reeva Steenkamp would be so interesting.
Omg Marisa thank you for this, I hope the Doc picks this up eventually, yes!
Marisa no question in my mind he did it.
It's a shame the judicial system did not heed the Italian's own centuries old Latin proverb quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur
("What is asserted gratuitously may be denied gratuitously") or now Hitchen's Razor that first appeared in his book of the same year as the murder, 2007, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
10:01 Amanda actually wrote in a letter that she did imagine she was seeing and hearing Meredith screaming when she held her ears.
"Imagine" is the key word.
Guede broke in, trashed the first room where he first came into the cottage looking for the rent money. This room was hidden at the end of the hall and thus why its state was latte discovered. He went to the bathroom. Meredith came home (that’s why he didn’t flush), he then surprised her in her bedroom, she fought him, he killed and raped her and then fled to Germany leaving others holding the bag of the horrendous mess he made.
I totally agree with you about Guede. I'm not sure where the other two fit in, but they do somehow. If nothing else then showing their lack of any kind of feelings for Meredith. I wish she had gotten another, quieter (and neater) roommate.
No that's false Guede was trying to save Meredith's life by pressing the towel in the throat, there are evidence he just act very inappropriately by running away, and most of all he had crappy lawyers.
Could have happened but then Rudi forgot to steal and bury the mobile phones and he forgot to hurl the rock through the faked burglary room so the evidence doesn't measure up. Rudi didn't have to break in he was let in by Knox for the rape.
Knox let him in, unless you want me to believe Rudi threw a 10lb rock through a 10 ft window.
@@pugilist102 that's what he did when he broke into the lawyers office. I don't think that was a 10 pound rock, where in the world do you get that?
It scares me more that the jury didn’t question the evidence presented, ie break in vs no break in and
DNA findings.
The Italian justice system does not have juries. It’s a panel of judges.
There was no jury.
Have you actually read the official court documents or are you speaking from a position of ignorance?
If Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are innocent, why did they lie repeatedly to the police and others?
Why did Amanda Knox try to frame an innocent man for rape and murder?
@@mrharryrag Good question but possibly she was terrified or mental broken down. It's no secret that a lot of people end up confessing to things they didn't do or didn't happen due to being exhausted from non-stop interrogation.
@@mrharryrag "Why did Amanda Knox try to frame an innocent man for rape and murder?"
Amanda was acting at an instinctual level when she mirrored what she thought the police wanted her to say. The real African perp had been breaking and climbing into windows during the previous months, and the police likely hinted at Amanda to provide an African suspect, so she gave them the only African name that came to mind. Police will try to flatter the person they are interrogating by saying "we need your help to solve the crime because we are too dumb to do it without you. If you were the perp, where would you hide the gun" etc. And then they say you confessed, though with modern video that gets less and less easy for them to alter their notes. Conveniently for the police, they never videotaped their interrogation of Amanda Knox.
There are hundreds of examples now of people not only accusing others falsely, in order please the police, but of people actually falsely confessing in order to please the police. Modern DNA science has actually proven this phenomenon to be a real thing and they have had to release those falsely convicted from prison.
I believe Rudy Guede but one thing bothers me with this case. Why did he originally say that Amanda Knox had nothing to do with it? He then changed his statement later on by saying he heard her voice and that he also saw her leave the murder scene along with Raffaele Sollecito. This really puzzles me and everyone else in this case. I just don't get why he would not have mentioned this since the very beginning.
"Eros and Thanatos": Just imagine hordes of fresh couples running through the streets in a killing frenzy... XD
What it boils down to is prudish, puritanical, and bigoted cops trying to build a case out of their own lurid sex fantasies and prejudices. It all sounds a lot like witch hunts from 400 years ago. All that's missing is that they didn't order Knox to be publicly strip-searched for the Devil's mark.
That’s gonna be the next video.
That was the clearest and most distinctly rational analysis I've heard of this case, and I agree with your conclusion, Dr G!
Agree, this is a hard story to understand but he did a tiptop job of sifting through the nonsense. I love the "excuses no one would ever believe" citation. I want to use that with my 10 year old!!
Maybe it was for you, but unfortunately, it wasn't for anyone familiar with the case. Not by a long shot.
I usually like the work of Dr. Grande, but he is very ill-informed here. He is basically basing his assessment on the drama created by the press and the prosecutor, not on the evidence relevant to the courts. In a weird way, he is perpetuating the nonsense and sensationalist shitshow created by them.
I really wish he had used the opportunity to dig a little bit deeper. Because once you do, there is a very interesting criminal case beyond this shitshow that he never got to see. Better luck next time, Dr. Grande.
@@LudwigJosefJohann I think the point of this video, and all it could possibly hope to achieve in such a short space of time, was to deal with the shit show, and how that played out in attempting to find guilty parties, and not to conduct an in-depth investigation, beyond what was obviously a badly conducted press fest! If you have connection to and information of the case that we, the public, have not had access to, then make a video presentation yourself, and tell us all what evidence we missed, or weren't privy to! As I say, Dr Grande was not investigating but analysing the dynamics of, what we have been let to believe, took place.
Falk Heße sometimes I need to step back, gain some perspective, then revisit. I don't think Dr. Grande is off-base here. Maybe instead of insulting Dr Grande for being wrong here, cite some specific instances where you believe he is wrong to discuss in a productive way
Falk Heße No, the lead prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini is as crooked as they come. And why would Rudy be serving a 16 year sentence for murdering poor Meredith. DNA and his own testimony linked him to this murder. I understand many people especially in England were outraged by this case but Rudy did it. The Italians just made a mess of the rest of it.
Where can I get a copy of " how to make up excuses no one will believe "? Asking for a friend. 😎
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I truly appreciate your scientific and fact based analysis. You are able to give a reputable opinion based on the research. It is a very refreshing approach! I’m glad to have found your channel 😊
I've dated a number of Italians who worked in the sciences and one thing I noticed they had in common was a perpencity towards passion and drama. With a bit of artistic license the facts of the case could produce a true crime opera.
A tour through Ancient Rome will show you why and how that fascination never went away.
I am Italian. No drama. No passion for passions. What are you talking about. You can find people like that in America. You are just being stereotypical. Your statements is based on anecdotal evidence which is not statistical relevant
@@cb885 sounds very dramatic. 🤣
@@cb885 the yanks only get passionete and dramatic when they’re cheering an innocent black man being given a death sentence.
@@cb885 *"Your statements is based on anecdotal evidence which is not statistical relevant"* Even worse: it's only based in people he/she dated LOL Actually, we could get to some assumptions about the OP by the fact he/she has this tendency of dating " passion and drama" people that he/she thinks to be irrational (or the fact that he/she perceives themselve as more scientifically based that those who he/she dated).
I feel strongly that another factor in this case was the aggressive grilling of Amanda for hours in a language that is not her first, and she was not fluent enough in Italian language or culture to grasp what was being said, implied, inferred. etc., and that she was not offered a translator. I think that was very intentional on the part of police. I don't know if Italy gives one an attorney either, as we do in the U.S., but if they do, did she know/understand that? Was she informed of any rights she had? As I recall, she was not.
Except that there was no "aggressive grilling of Amanda for hours", so when you start making a totally provable false claim, anything that follows is pure speculation on your behalf with no bearing on any facts.
@@yelnsts how would either of you know
If by "giving an attorney" you mean offering a court-appointed attorney they do just like in the US: only if you ask for one.
When putting a person in prison is more important than solving the crime. This is why quick executions are no longer a thing in the U.S. because sometimes it takes years to find the truth.
@@yelnsts By report, there was indeed aggressive grilling, though apparently not for hours. Sollecito's modification of Knox's timeline, under pressure from police, led police to think Knox was lying.
I have no idea if she did it or not but it was always so dumb to me how everyone thought it's suspicious coz she hugged and kissed her boyfriend. It's natural to comfort each other like that especially when you're in the honeymoon phase
I believe she's guilty, but I agree about the hugging and kissing thing. There is so much evidence, and transcripts to look up that suggest she's guilty. How does hugging and kissing her boyfriend mean she's guilty? Guilty or innocent, I can see her being upset and needing comforting in both scenarios.
@@ville666sora the hugging and kissing wasn’t weird but the cartwheels were
True
@@ville666sora how.....did you not hear dude talk about DNA? She managed to hide hers from the room, but not Rudy's?
You're just as ignorant and sexist as the lead investigator
@@410cultivar There are plenty of female murderers, just because she is pretty and looks innocent doesn't mean she couldn't be the one.
Dr. Grande: Having been falsely accused of a crime myself and by the grace of God or luck, I had a judge and prosecutor that had no interest in getting a conviction yet for political reasons, because I did not take any :"no-plea necessary" walk away free deals or probation, I risked five years in state prison in order to prove my innocence at trial. Their deals would have reflected on the record that the case was dismissed outright but this would have been a lie. No deals I insisted.
Dr. Grande, these people rarely care about justice; most prosecutors are predators and most judges support their madness. I had amazing luck to get an honest prosecutor and the last judge in the end assigned to try me at my trial. The judge was clearly incensed that these charges had ever been made of me. Familiarizing myself with other cases over the years, and based on my pretrial judges, my conclusion is that these people for the most part don't care. I was lucky as innocence means very little in most criminal cases.
Sollecito, at the risk of incriminating himself, three times anxiously emphasizing to the dispatcher that there has been no theft puzzled me until I connected it to the fact that they had removed and ditched Meredith Kercher's telephones.
Those detectives were completely incompetent.
This case was a nightmare to all involved. Meredith Kercher has been reduced to a footnote through all of this. A very lucid and compelling analysis. The Italian justice system is scary.
Yes I agree. I am annoyed with Dr Grande for calling her "Kercher" all the way through this video tbh.
@@sally4026 That annoyed me too - also mispronouncing Perugia [Per.rue.gha] but I forgive, because most likely Dr. Todd doesn't have a large fact-checking staff.
No the Italian system is not scary. The investigator and the prosecution did a terrible job but in general there is much more fairness in the Italian legal system than in the US one. Watch the Nextflix show Confession Tapes if you're not convinced
While there were many blunders committed by the Police during the investigation, the work by the courts was much better. In particular later on. I read most of the final report by Judge Nencini (from the 2nd appeal in 2013) and his reasoning for convicting both Knox and Sollecito was sound. Not sure whether I would have come to the same verdict, but his reasoning was sound nonetheless.
While I usually like the work of Dr. Grande, he is very ill-informed here. He is basically basing his assessment on the distorted picture presented to the American public, which itself is heavily filtered through the lens of the media. None of the things he complains about were part of the decision by, eg. Judge Nencini, to the point where he is basically attacking a straw man.
There are very good reasons for believing that Knox and Sollecito were complicit in the murder. As I said, I do not know, whether they rise to a level beyond a reasonable doubt, but they are quite substantial. I really wish he would read some more details and primary sources on the case and re-do his analysis. This was not his best work, to say the least.
Falk Heße I have researched this case up and down and there is nothing to convince me that either of the two had any part of the murder. It just doesn’t make sense. No proof, no evidence, no motive.
I love when you analyze famous cases. So many people romanticize, dramatize and twist these stories, and that feeds into stigmatization of so many people, who become collateral damage.
I have no idea how you got all that information in this video along with your analysis while always keeping things informative, interesting & educational. You make it seem so easy but I know you put a lot of work into your videos. I can't imagine the nightmare this case was not only to Amanda & Raphael but also the victim's family. Such an abuse of power and miscarriage of justice.
I saw the video of them outside the apartment. They were comforting each other by mainly hugging. Both looked shellshocked and had barely any blood in their faces. There was one very brief kiss and it wasn’t a passionate one it was one of comfort there was no tongue involved.
JWB671 when did she do the "cartwheel"? Wasn't that at the murder scene?
@@carolynabbott888 you ask... when .. You answer..... where ...
Carolyn Abbott i believe it was in the interrogation room.
@@gmy33 english must not be your first language.
@@carolynabbott888 no
Perugia is a city that has hundreds of international students coming and going every month. It is the site of a very large Italian language school for foreigners. Despite appearances, Italy is actually a fairly socially conservative society (very Catholic) and has very strict expectations for public behavior, especially for women. Foreign women in Italy don't know about these expectations (and may not care if they did), and can often be seen making out in public and doing other "inappropriate" actions, which are considered disgusting or rude by the Italians. So foreign women (and American women specifically) have a reputation in that culture for being "easy". "Loose women with low morals" Amanda was simply a normal young woman who became the scapegoat for Italy's misogyny against all sexually open young female foreigners. Maybe that fits in with your Eros/Thanatos theory, but you (understandably) missed the very culturally specific context here.
Perfectly explained
Preach! Of course it was rampant misogyny!
Liz L , I was thinking of this also.
I know Italy very well and what you're saying is false. Italy is not Japan.
I don't know Amanda Knox, but I'd say she is about as normal as Elizabeth Holmes with maybe a dash of Diana Downs. She had the arrogance of entitled youth about herself which I say based on her interviews once freed and on her hot to trot behavior with her boyfriend for all the photographers to catch outside.
I always thought those little kisses were just for comfort
Yes she looks to be in shock and I think she realizes that she could just have easily been in that house her self.
I think she will live with the fact that she was at her boyfriends house and could have just as easily been the victim.
I followed this case and appreciate your analysis! Thank you.
Does anyone remember news media saying that the prosecutor had himself been disciplined for misconduct in another case and that his confidence in the guilt of Ms Knox was partially based upon communication from the spirit of a deceased 14th Century Inquisitor channeled by a spirit medium he had consulted.
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I remember
Unbelievable 👍! Most likely in Italy though , a Wakanda like place with Leftist-Muslim judiciary with total diregard for the law , where innocence is totally immaterial , distrusted by all apart from mafia men.
If you know them you avoid them. Not different from U.S. deep state- FBI-CIA salad.
Douglas Pettis The whole area was satanic , infamous for Esoterica that is what attracted Amanda 😜
It sounds like a keystone cops episode... I think part of the problem was the suspects weren't likeable or didn't try to present themselves as likeable
I agree. When you look at some of the footage of Amanda Knox, her body language is very strange and suspicious. But as Dr Grande says, even innocent people can behave very strangely if they are accused of murder and (allegedly) abused by the police in custody.
Well smooching the face off each other at the crime scene, on TV, didn't help!
Roxanne - The whole problem was a corrupt and depraved prosecution. Inappropriate behaviour on the part of the two young people was just a hook on which the corrupt prosecutors could hang their twisted fantasies. And the public lapped it up because the public loves a judicial lynching.
@@thumbprint7150 I basically agree with what you are saying. However, you imply that the prosecutors were evil masterminds. But it seems to me (from watching a documentary) that they, and the police, were just stupid and incompetent. In particular, the detective on that case makes Chief Wiggum from the Simpsons look like a genius.
@@sarahholland1375 Absolutely! If I came home to find my college roommate murdered, that is NOT how I would have behaved. Even many years later I find Amanda very off putting. So many non verbal cues from her in interviews indicate something I can't quite put my finger on, but I don't believe most of what she says.
"Perugia" is pronounced "Peroo-jah".
The "e" at the end of "Raffaele" is not silent (but the stress is on the first "e", which is pronounced like a French "è").
Thank you very much :D
Yes with an Italian surname you’d think he’d know that
Dr. Grande, you are the best thing on TH-cam!!
Brilliant! Your explanation is easy to follow and has the voice of simple reason.
I agree with you Kenneth...
This case is such a prime example of the impact that things such as media, authoritative bias,mob mentality & generally being an unlikable person, can have on the outcome of a criminal prosecution & the dangers of sensationalizing tragedy by taking advantage of the entertainment value. As rational as I consider myself to be, to this day I can't help but view Amanda as a sinister character regardless of my belief in her innocence. Such a bizarre case through & through.
Bridgidigital But this Case has been tinted with Rose Coloured Glasses
Amanda is like the thousands of immoral people in the US who carelessly pick anyone out of a lineup even though they know the perp isn't in the lineup. I have seen them interviewed after the innocent person is released from prison thirty years later on newly devised DNA evidence. "I thought the cop wanted me to pick the guy third from the left". or "I just picked the guy who was the closest match because I thought that's what they wanted me to".
As an American living in Spain, I often wondered what politics steered this case. It was all of a Telenovela on the news.
fantastic work here Dr Grande
What makes me incredible sad is that Merediths family feels justice was denied because they still believe Amanda is guilty.But honestly I really don't think she had anything to do with it. She might not be very likable and she showed little to no emotion regarding Merediths murder but the evidence doesn't surpport the killer theory.
She wasn't given time to show emotion. She was immediately a suspect, kept up for 24 hours by the police, and found herself in jail. Her focus became survival, as it should have been.
Something unsettling about her
VERY. IDK exactly why but she’s not a real likable person.
Shes changex due to PTSD, jailtime and the media circus. She was falsely accused
Is THIS why I was recommended this video earlier today? I watched it while in school. Now she's been recharged.
No, she wasn't. She wasn't never 'recharged' with anything. She was permanently acquitted of the murder in 2015. She had one conviction for slander for accusing her boss which she appealed. The appeal was granted so that conviction was annulled and sent down to an appellate court. That court upheld the conviction. She is appealing that to the Supreme Court.
Glad I came across this Amanda Knox case analysis dr grande thank you
Dr. Grande - you are awesome! No one explains things like you! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I don't know if it's still online, but there was an analysis of the crime scene by an American forensic scientist and his level of detail showed overwhelmingly that there were only two people in the room, the murderer and the victim. Also, if you look at Rudy's background, it was really credible that he had a personality disorder.
All that being said, Amanda Knox does have some weird behavioural issues as well!
@@isabelledetaillefer2726 I have studied Knox's body language and it is quite suspicious. My current model is that possibly she was involved but not present in the action. But I have to be careful. I now prioritize the forensic evidence above the psychological analysis since there is NO forensic evidence of a third person at the scene of the crime.
Amanda knox blame it on here black boss ! He had to leave the country and his company
@@donaldtrumpuncensored6728 I think she has survivors guilt that makes her look weird to the public
You are correct her body language gives her away.
Imagine you live with roomies, you go home, you find a gruesome murder scene and the dead body of your roomie, and then you get accused of her murder, put on trial and jailed. Would you act normal? 🤷♀️
The prosecutor to this case had a very weird logic system! It starts here: 09:24
In order to believe that Knox and Sollecito are innocent, you have to overlook the following:
Knox's accusation against her employer, a claim she made after less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed (not 40, like Team Knox would have you believe - this is a proven fact) and stuck to for 3 weeks, letting her innocent boss rot in jail all the while.
The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom.
The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before.
Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp - with a 16 loci match, the probability that the DNA belongs to someone else is one in a trillion, and with only ONE other DNA trace of him in the cottage (cigarette butt) the idea of contamination is near impossible.
Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade. Sollectio tried to explain this by saying he had accidentally pricked Meredith with his knife while she had been at his house. She had never been there.
The THREE sets of bloody footprints, one a match for Guede, one a match for Sollecito, and one in Knox’s size, in her own DNA, mixed with Meredith’s.
The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito, and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened.
The blatantly staged crime scene, with glass on TOP of the clothes strewn around, a near impossible window entry point, and not a single trace of Guede anywhere in that room, not to mention the fact Knox and Sollecito ‘knew’ nothing had been taken before anyone had even looked.
The fact that Guede’s footprints lead right out Meredith’s room out the front door and he has an alibi for the rest of the night, meaning we KNOW it wasn’t Guede who returned to the scene hours later, staged a burglary, cleaned up and moved the body.
The fact that Knox’s lamp was found in Meredith’s room with no fingerprints whatsoever - more proof of a clean up.
The incredible amount of changes in her account before, during, and after she was arrested.
Total lack of alibi after multiple attempts, and then Sollecito withdrawing his alibi for her.
Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder, including her lies about Meredith’s locked door, her reaction to the blood, and the contradictions to this she makes in her testimony, email home, and in her book.
The fact Knox knew several details about her murder she could not possibly have known: cause of death, position of body, that there had been more than one attacker, that Meredith had been assaulted etc.
The frantic call she made to her mother in the middle of the night that she ‘forgets’ making.
The witness who saw her and Sollecito by the cottage on the murder night.
The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping.
And I can go on, and on, and on. My point is that, whatever opinion people have as to their guilty or innocence, there is enough evidence to convict, and however many times those claims of “no evidence" are repeated, it doesn't make it true
Excellent post.
You didn’t even cover all of their lies. They said the phones were on when they were off. They said the computer was off when it was on. They walked around town and went home. Or did they go to a party? They can’t remember anything because their poor little memories are just so fuzzy.
The coincidences are just laughable. Meredith cutting her finger on Rafa’s knife. Amanda waking up at dawn to get a mop and buy 2 tubs of bleach because Rafa’s flat had a plumbing leak. How does anyone buy this horsechit?
Also, the behaviour panel youtube channel, which features four body language experts (ex military, ex police etc…) , absolutely go to town on Amanda. They don’t pass judgement on whether or not she’s guilty but they are 100% sure she is a liar. More than any other subject they’ve ever examined. It’s so obvious she’s basically comedy material for them.
So much of what you wrote was pure rubbish.
@@franciastone5048 Perhaps if you forget that she's American and put your ego aside, then you'll be able to see the truth if that's what you're looking for. But i bet most of yall don't give a crap about the truth.
@@RYANTHEORY_ you speak the truth and the guy after you. Americans don’t care if she is American. The police blew the case and let the dope of a prosecutor open his dumbass mouth like a south Louisiana backwards a$$ country Sherrif. Gave the guy they knew was involved 16 years and already out. People from everywhere rolled their eyes because they looked like Iranian mullahs hanging woman protesters. They were more involved but you can’t blow the crime scene like their own CSI videos show.
If she was a involved, why didn’t she just implicate the actual black man who raped and murdered Meredith, Rudy, versus her boss? She was pressured to name a black man after police found black hairs on Meredith, and she didn’t know very many black people in Italy.
Seriously, this is one big hole in your logic. If she was involved, she would have known Rudy was involved, and named him instead of her boss.
Come on, just employ some critical thinking and logic.
Great video as always doc, your deadpan humor delivery is so on point it's almost unnoticeable.
I appreciate that!
Glad u commented on this. I've been trying to reach u. I'd love to see u comment on the Long Island Lolita. All the major players in that would make good content.
Great choice of the topic! Thank you.
Hi Dr Grande. Thanks so much. Love your work. Can you please do a video in Ian Baily? Thanks
It's disgusting what they did to that woman. If that's not the judicial system of a failed state, I don't know what is.
@Hudson Surfer Worse, Dutch