IMO the best plot twist by far for gen 7 was Nebby evolving into Solgaleo/Lunala. Legendary pokemon evolving was unheard of before then, it was brilliant
It was VERY obvious to me given how much importance the story was giving to this seemingly not important pokemon even though I still think it's great, especially the cutscene. It was a fresh twist on legendaries to have weaker forms by your side that's for sure.
The Professor being dead and the Larry Elite 4 double jumpscare (LARRY IS HERE? HE’S NOT DOING NORMAL TYPES?) in Gen 9 were the best twists I’d seen in any media for a good while, tbh.
@@whiteraven562and it’s not even like they try to dance around it, they straight up tell you “The original Professor Sada/Turo passed away due to suffering fatal injuries.” Like, damn GameFreak!
@@hatmanstudios3AZ doesn't die lol...there's just some random NPC in Anistar City who asks for a sub-level 5 pokemon who dies once you become champion
Volo was OBVIOUSLY up to SOMETHING. I saw it coming, as there was CLEAR BUILDUP to him being the bad guy... No, the biggest twist for me was the Chef guy(I forget his name) being revealed as both the Ancestor of Wally AND A badass Ninja... just making Dumplings... I truly did not see that coming.
For me, the biggest plot twist in ScarVio's DLCs is the realization that they DO have something to do with the main plot. Teal Mask starts with what seems like its own plot, like the SwSh DLCs, and then ties into the main story in the same way as the three stories in the main game. Legends: Arceus and Scarlet/Violet proved that the story doesn't have to end when the game ends, that it can continue into the post-game. I think the post-game will be an integral part of the main story from now on in future generations.
@kyuven honestly the fact that the "fly" HM was behind a 30$ paywall is kinda bull. The game didn't run well enough at base for the dlc to be doing that. Playing as pokemon sure, that's neat and kinda unique. But being able to fly should have been in the base game.
The best plot twist was Larry being revealed to be a Flying type E4. In his gym battle he wore his cloud tie, unkempt feathery hair and Staraptor being normal/flying is genius foreshadowing. Larry as a character concept is genius, normal/flying is also the most common dual typing. Narratively he wants to be normal but society wants him to be flying (literally and metaphorically). He likes comfort and familiarity but in his post game rematch he learns of the importance of the unfamiliar which is symbolised by his flying team. He accepts his role in the E4 and accepts that the integrating the unfamiliar can be a good thing. In the Indigo DLC his team is a mixture of normal/flying types representing his mini character arc of him understanding why Geeta forced him to use flying types. It is ok to mix the unfamiliar and the familiar as highlighted by his mixed team - it is ok to be and love the ordinary and to sometimes accept and love the new. Larry is the normal/flying type in human form and I love it.
Did NOBODY watch Pokémon 2000? Lugia is clearly shown to be psychic. Moreover, if you pay attention, despite using whirlpool, it has NO MARKERS of a water type. Psychic/Flying makes sense. Lugia was created FOR the movies, And was added to the gen2 games Afterward. Also, while the US and most other languages Refer to it as "the lord of the sea" the Japanese refers to it as the "GUARDIAN" of the sea, which makes sense, as it's based on the Japanese Dragon God of the Sea... No, Psychic makes sense... but Lugia not being a Dragon, THATS the nonsensical Twist. (It's even, in the hg/ss expanded lore, referred to as the Dragon revered in ancient times in the dragons den.) Lugia should be a Psychic/Dragon. It should be noted that the ORIGINAL plan was a ice Type Beast based upon Fenrir... But they liked Lugia so much the Ice-Wolf was scrapped... and still hasn't been seen to this day. Ho-oh was supposed to be paired with a Water/Ice counter to its Fire/Flying types.
@@matthewrowlett1564 You litterally explained what one of it's impirations is and still belive that it makes sense as a psychic type. Takeshi Shudo, creator of Lugia and chief writer for the anime and it's movies, based it off of ocean currents. Shigeki Morimoto, a programmer for Gen 2, admitted they were going to make Lugia a water type, but decided to change it to psychic type since they wanted it to "feel powerful" since psychic was the most over powered type in Gen 1. You brought up the fact that Lugia is based on the Japanses Dragon God of the SEA 💧💧🌊🌊, yet you used that as evidence that it should be dragon type. Since you brought up the movies, the literal movie endswith water rising from the ocean and causing the seas to be tamed. The moves used are whirlpool, aeroblast, and safeguard, a WATER, flying, and NORMAL type move. No use of psychic types. People say, "it can talk to people". Meowth can talk to people. Also Tentacruel used Meowth as a puppet to talk to people in the episode "Tentacool & Tentacruel". You haven't even given me any "evidence" for the psychic type and gave me evidence for it being water type and dragon type. So the 3 types that makes sense for it are water, flying, and dragon.
@@justinn8541akaDrPokemon the sea god in question has wind powers, but no water powers other than changing tides, which is gravity. Second, Lugia speaks with people TELEPATHICALLY, much like Mewtwo and Slowking. Meowth does not, it learned to physically Speak human language. And what Tentacruel does IS Psychic, as Tentacruel CAN learn Psychic type moves in gen1, Which that season is based on. And there is this neat little thing Called HYDROKINESIS, The Telekinetic control over water. The 3 big reasons EVERYONE says in argument for it being water type are: 1: it lives under water. Yeah, so does Dhelmise, a Grass/Ghost pokemon, Dragalge, a Dragon/Poison pokemon, And most counter to your theory, Dratini AND Dragonair, PURE DRAGON TYPES. 2: it uses Water type moves: So does Rhydon. And it's WEAK to water. 3: It's based on a Sea God: Yes and No. It's based on a Dragon God OF THE SEA, Not a SEA GOD that happens to be a dragon. OF THE SEA means it LIVES there, it is OF there, not necessarily in control of it. The God in question was actually a God of Fair Winds, protection, Safe Harbor, and Fertility... amd was said to arise, COMPLETELY DRY, From the sea surrounded by a sphere of water... much like lugia Flying within the Whirlpool. Sounds like Hydrokinesis to me. More evidence is Lugia Being A hydrokinetic Psychic and NOT a water type: Water types can CREATE Water. Lugia just uses the water Around it. Now, Since then, in the anime, it's been shown using Water Pulse and Hydro Pump, but originally? Just Whirlpool. It didn't MAKE water, it Simply controlled it. Lugia is A Hydro-Kinetic, Telekinetic, Telepathic Bird, that looks like a Dragon. Psychic/Flying makes sense. Psychic/Dragon Also Makes Sense. Water/Flying? Not so much. Now, I'll give you that it COULD have been water type... if it weren't Flying type. Psychic fits, it makes sense, especially with all the CLEAR EVIDENCE OF PSYCHIC POWERS. Flying, however, does not make sense, other than "it's a bird, so it's Flying type." Which is just dumb, and I wish they'd stop doing...
@@matthewrowlett1564 You are an idiot for denying the fact the creator and an important programmer for the game admitted they either based Lugia of of ocean current, or said they were originally going to make it water type before changing it to psychic type to make it powerful since psychic was the most overpowered type in gen 1. I still can not belive you think the water type makes no sense but psychic does. Evidence you idiots use for Lugia's BS psychic type. 1. "It ONLY lives under the ocean." That isn't evidence for it being psychic type. Yet that is the main point you fools use to explain why it's psychic type. And your rebuttle for this Dhelmise, Dragalge, Dratine, and Dragonair, pokemon who have logical typing. People don't have a problem with Dratini and Dragonair being dragon type despite being based on sea serpents. No one also has a problem with the Electross line not being water type despiteing eels, because just being electric type makes sense for them. Also, I never said dragon type makes sense, because there is actual evidence for it to make sense. I only have the problem with the psychic typing because it makes no sense in lore, in dex entries, and the only reason it's psychic type is because the programmers wanted it to be. 2. "Move Set". Lugia has more normal type moves than water and flying combined. 19. Even if I combined water, flying, and psychic to play devil's advocate, those 3 combined make up 14. You bring up Rhydon learning surf as a counterargument. Well both Rhydon and Rhyhorn learn no rock or ground moves naturally in Gen 1, and only learns them through TMs/HMs like surf. 3. You are straight up telling me it's based on a sea god, and you somehow think it makes no sense for it to be water type. Do You honestly think hydrokenisis means psychic type? You know, HYDRO, Greek for WATER. You are telling me, it can only use its psychic powers, on water, when every time we seen any form of telekinesis in the anime, it can interact with anything. 4. "It uses telepathy." Since you used the defense of tentacruel being able to use telepathy is because it knows psychic moves. The only psychic move it naturally learns is barrier, a +2 for defense. The other 2: reflect, which is used on 70+ non-psychic Gen 1 pokemon, and rest, which only 6 Pokemon CAN'T learn rest. I'm not even going to touch the fact that there are multiple cases of legendaries being able to communicate with humans. You dare say flying has no evidence, but say psychic makes sense. You are the first person who thinks Lugia's flying type is BS. Considering the fact you argue hydrokineses is an argument against Lugia being a water type and proof for it making sense as a psychic type, it's not that surprising. Reasons flying type makes sense: 1. Entries in Gen 2 confirm it's presess of storms, which is celebrated on in later dex entries. Thinks like it flying and it causes 40 day storms. 2. Aeroblast is a flying type move and contains "Aero" which means air. And in this case air means flying type. 3. It can fly. I know that's not the end all be all considering many poison/bug types can also fly, but considering it's you, I need to make it clear Lugia makes sense as a flying type. 4. It can also learn the move fly. 5. It learns more flying type moves naturally than psychic.
Calem/Serena: Hello it’s nice to meet you. Lysandre: this world is imperfect… C/S: what? L: if only I could wipe away the impurities… C/S: is anybody else listening to this…? L: and make it as beautiful as me… 15 hours of gameplay later Diantha: Lysandre you were behind all this?!? L: yes it was I my machinations lay undetected for years for I am a master of deception. C/S:…
I think one of the most horrifying plot twists come in Gen 7's Sun & Moon, where if you read a book at the trainer's school on Melemele Island and it tells a story about a Pikachu, Pyukumuku, and Slowpoke starting off and going on an adventure was supposed to be a throwaway inclusion, only to find out that when confronting Lusamine in her secret chamber on Aether Paradise that the 3 pokemon frozen in carbonate ice is the same Pikachu, Pyukumuku, and Slowpoke from that story was freakin wild.
@@HowManySmall Nah. I beat them pretty easily with the team i had (i even made a slightly different one that I used in the main game). Volo was way harder.
I was a little disappointed that you didn’t give mention to my personal favorite plot twist in Pokemon: Nebby evolving into the boxart legendary! I was SHOCKED! Before then, legendaries NEVER evolved. When Nebby was in what Lillie called a weakened state and the poor thing had literally been tortured, I thought when we played the flute at the Altar of the Sun/Moon, the box legendary would arrive and use its power to restore Nebby to its original form. I never imagined that it would evolve into Solgaleo/Lunala! Also, while I didn’t see Cynthia’s ancestor turning against us, I did kinda have a feeling from somewhat early on that SOMEONE would betray us, since every Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game has a betrayal at some point
The fact that the entire plot of SV was a paradox kicked off by us was so bittersweet, and as soon as the title screen changed to the sunset with the slow title theme, I cried. There was this air of both victory and tragedy in the air. We won, we achieved everything- But at what cost?
@AkemiStormBorn Honestly, the whole paradox thing is annoying to me. But it is a closed paradox, I guess. These events either play out or they don't without some dumb loop shenanigans. Thank god it's not actual time travel or this whole thing would just be a headache. We'll besides that bit with the alternate timeline prof at the end. I guess we either give them the research (look the scarlet/violet book doesn't need to be their original they probably got another one after the fact. Its not exactly rare) and things play put like it had for us or we don't and the same thing likeky happens anyhow.
The AI professor was an amazing twist that genuinely made me feel bad for Arven. I’m very critical with Pokémon ‘rivals’ (let’s face it most of them are just your friends and not rivals) but gen 9 did a good job at making me care about Arven and Nemona. Penny… Penny needed some work.
Unraveling the Abyssal Ruins lore from Gen 5 gave me my personal favorite twist of N being the legitimate heir to the old throne of Unova making the context of his whole journey so much more compelling.
Yeah, it requires a lot of deciphering but if you take the time, you find out that the ruins are connected to the original heroes and the king is N’s ancestor. Someone actually made a video on it too: th-cam.com/video/fEcL83e9vfg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pq-R-quyM-q8EqD_
Yes, this! The SV plot wouldn't even have been possible without this piece of lore. I know they could have revealed the multiverse in SV, but it would have distracted from the narrative. It was way cooler to have that lore show back up after having it revealed many years prior.
@ClearSummerSkies not to mention how much better it made USUM in later context. My personal favorite is how Guzzlird is battled in the ruins of an alternate Melemele island
Just saying, kind of off topic, i got to say, the Adventures manga made Rose a very interesting character! It even develops his relationship with Bede even more
imagine releasing an eldritch creature just because the energy of the region will run out in 10000 years (he lives in a sci-fi world with infinite renewable energy)
I was actually hoping that they would've finally given the Eeveelutions secondary Eeveelutions. Flareon gets Fighting, Vaporeon gets Ground, Jolteon gets Bug, Espeon gets Steel, Umbreon gets Poison, Leafeon gets Flying, Glaceon gets Rock, and Syleon gets Dragon.
In my opinion the best plottwist in Gen 4 was in PMD, when Dusknoir grabbed the Protagonist and their partner to drag them into the future. And in Gen 3 also in PMD it's when the hunt after the Protagonist and the partner starts
I started reading comments looking for this! PMD's story was phenomenal. Shout-out to finding out grovyle was your ally all along. The whole Darkrai episode. And especially finding out your character would fade away if you succeeded.
I think one of the biggest plot twists of gen 7 wasn't that the Aether Foundation was evil, I knew that from the first trailer with them, no it was the fact the Lusamine was Gladion and Lily's mom. When I saw her in the trailer I thought she was like their older sister that was like late teens early twenties, but no this woman is over 40 years old.
You're right, the Sun and Moon series is severely underrated. I just recently got done doing it's OST with gameplay in the background instead of the logo image, and I had forgotten how well written Lusamine was as a villain, how great Lillie's character development, aliens and interdimensional beings, originality in how to do challenges etc.
Not to mention how it's probably the darkest storyline in a Pokemon game when it comes to its themes. It is, at its core, a story about child abuse. The main villain was so obsessed with aliens that she neglected and hurt her children until they both ran away. Team Skull's leader was literally physically beaten by his own dad throughout his childhood. Team Skull as a whole serves as a sort of found family for kids who were failed by the systems in place in their society, which is why Nanu isn't actually bothered to do anything about them. And it's even in the legendaries. Nebby and Type:Null both have their evolutions tied to their trauma and healing. The theme of abuse is in every aspect of the story. I'm legitimately surprised Gamefreak was willing to make a story about that.
@@IceFireofVoidnot just that, the fact that neglected kids tend to follow stronger people for the worse, like Team Skull following Guzma that still beats them, or Guzma following Lusamine because she "respects" him. Even near the end, Guzmas Team ReSkull are only together because they'd rather stay with Guzma than go back home, showing that their homes have not gotten better.
The Volo plot twist was one of the craziest experiences I've ever had playing a Pokemon game. I just never could come to accept that an ancestor of Cynthia could be so evil.
Volo's entire situation is pretty ambiguous and open for theorizing since we only get small snippets or implied things from him. I could go and shoot my theory here, but it'd be too lengthy.
@totallynotvaltorsdaughter It's gonna be lengthy, but TLDR at the bottom. I like to think that Volo was influenced/ brainwashed or even possessed by Giratina to carry out its will, especially towards and during the final battle. His end-game actions don't line up with everything else he did before. I personally think that he genuinely is as kind and friendly as he appears, and definitely a fast learner, given how quickly he understood how Pokeballs worked despite them being a recent invention. Giratina gave him the ghost plate as a reminder of their pact (maybe a "Help me, help you" situation?) and sensing his frustration towards Arceus, the deity he worshipped, not stopping the tragedy that befell him when it very well could have. We don't know how long ago it was, so Volo very much could've been a child/ teen. He also could've had noble intentions of wanting to meet Arceus besides his satisfying his curiosity, such as maybe undoing the tragedy that befell him. Giratina used that wish, twisted it into an obsession, and made him follow its own desires of overthrowing Arceus instead, potentially subtly manipulating him over several years until the events of the game, letting him believe that Giratina's thoughts and desires were his own. Legendary Pokémon have shown to either be as intelligent as humans or even more so. I'm not saying that Giratina is flat-out evil, just so hellbent on revenge that it's willing to do anything in its power. At least during the game. When he started laughing after revealing Giratina's existence to Akari/Rei, it might have been Giratina exerting more control over him and either Giratina laughing through him or him just trying to cope with the pressure it exerted over him. Him going absolutely raving mad was him succumbing to Giratina's control and being a bit more than a mouthpiece for it, coming to a head when he summoned it to his side. After he and Giratina finally are defeated and Volo gives Akari/Rei the plate, he was freed from its possession but still was influenced by its lingering power, hence him lashing out again when seeing the Azure Flute and leaving afterwards. Akari/Rei went on to catch Giratina and quell its rage. We don't know what happened to Volo. Given that Giratina is flat out stated to be an "eldritch presence," it's not unlikely that it takes a bit of time to properly come down from that insanity. Or he fully embraced his broken mind. Pokémon Masters reveals that Volo has severe trust issues from being betrayed by former friends/family/colleagues and believes "Use them before they use you." Tl;dr: Giratina could've controlled Volo instead of the other way around, and Volo was more of a protagonist in a cosmic horror story than a flat-out villain, and he needs some serious therapy.
I too have to say Nebby evolving caught me by surprise! Also while not exactly groundbreaking, in gen 2, finding out what happened to Cinnabar Island was also a shocking twist for me when I first played and got to that area!
IMO they should have made Diantha the leader of Team Flare not Lysandre it would have been a better twist not to mention they’re both kind of opposites to one another
I think in Sun and Moon they expected you to think something was up with Lillie. She is seen running away with something stolen, and there is an air of mystery around her especially in the beginning of the game. But i guess she was too pure for that to become a thought.
Ultra Sun and Moon are supposed to be alternate universes if I’m not wrong. I think I would’ve been cool if we got to fight Elio and Selene from the first games as like a multiverse thing
Honestly... I was caught off guard when Lusamine went full psycho mother in SM, and when I found out Lillie and Gladion were related to her (I was Hau in this situation).
Nothing you brought up for Gen 3 is a plot twist though. We're told we have a dad at the start of the game and Team Aqua/Magma being "Good" when not the Evil Team of the game is just a matter of inconsistency and perspective. The only real plot twist is that Wally is your "True Rival" and it was awful because from what I've heard, literally no one even remembered him when he came back, and you only fight him once prior to the confrontation at Victory Road. Oh and Wallace being Champion in Emerald. The Best Plot Twist in Gen 4 is that Cyrus isn't 50. The Worst Plot twist is that Cyrus is 20. Actually... No yeah, you're right about the worst. The Everstone Haunter was the worst Plot Twist in Gen 4. Gen 5's best Plot Twist is that N is actually hella chill, he's just been manipulated the whole time. It's worst is the fact that Ghetsis escaped after BW. Also... N is apparently 20?? Honestly as much as I hate Volo, he did have the single best twist in the entire franchise. The clues are so subtle, but when you know what to look for it becomes so painfully obvious that you wonder how you missed it the first time. It's not a "oh this came out of nowhere" twist, it's hinted from the second you MEET Volo, but it's hidden just enough to not be obvious, and that's why, while I hate him personality-wise, his plot twist is unironically the franchise's greatest.
@@BJGvideos "Impressive for one only 20 years old" - Looker to the Player in regards to Cyrus in Platinum during the Veilstone HQ Raid. Granted about 3 years pass from Platinum to BW, and another 3 to B2W2, but as of his actual role as villain, he's specifically stated to be exactly 20.
@@thomashost272 No, Looker's line, copied directly from Bulbapedia: "...Whew. So, that was Cyrus, the boss of the Team Galactic. Quite the performance, no? Mesmerizing for one of only 27 years old."
@@thomashost272 His history explains that. Under severe mental pressure from an early age, emotional neglect, and the one person who even NOTICED anything was wrong refused to help him
Some of these plots twists would hit ever harder if we had voice acting for the cut scenes instead of reading the dialogue. Imagine that Volo line booming through the speaker, "Giratina, strike him down!"
3:24 try being just between 7 and 10 years old, having no knowledge of the gen 1 games, and finding Red at the top of Mt. Silver. It was honestly scary for little kid me when I did just that in Pokémon Crystal. I remember that, somehow, Red's Pikachu was a shiny when I first faced him, too. I wasn't expecting such a powerful opponent. And even after losing over and over, I eventually won. Those feelings of tension, frustration, accomplishment and pride are something that I will NEVER forget.
Rose who couldnt wait a damn day to solve an energy crisis that wont be felt until 1,000 years later so he ended up disrupting the Pokemon League finals and awakening the Pokemon equivalent of Galactus' hand in the procress putting the damn region at risk. While the pokemon he needed to generate unlimited energy, Regieleki, is just at the Crown Tundra at the south of the same damn region, is peak stupidity.
I like how the adventurers manga handled it by explaining that he wasn't actually trying to solve a crisis that wouldn't happen in a thousand years but was instead trying to ensure that Galar would still be around a thousand years into the future, and that Galar was actually doomed to run out of energy 10 years into the future with Galarian society completely collapsing in 20 to 30 years with human and pokemon being completely destroyed in 100 years.
@HybridHero I actually like ghetsis as a villain. Him being an abusive and manuplitive father definitely adds some emotion to the game. Also that way they can have a redeemed villan and a pure evil villan.
8:52 - I’ll always wish that the final boss fight with N and his legendary included him wearing his king outfit. Would’ve made it more epic than it already was
Volo’s reveal wasn’t that great, in my opinion. Just the way the camera panned on his face when he said “Giratina” screamed “BAD INTENTIONS” to me. The battle, however, was what made me freak out.
The best plot twist of black and white is the Rival, Pokémon League, Villain team, and Box Legendary Pokémon plots concluding at the same time in the finale.
I know it’s not a big twist, but as a kid finding out Ghetsis didn’t care about pokemon and was just a piece of sh*t who wanted to conquer all of Unova by USING N was a big unexpected twist
I'm usually not the kind of guy to pick favourites, but playing Violet completely shifted my view on what GameFreak can do with a Pokemon story. Generations 5 and 7 were my favourites for plot more or less equally (they had a lot of similar highs and lows in my eyes, while beating other mainline games), but Gen 9, DLCs included, was peak for me. Only real issue I have is the entire epilogue, but at least that's more of an optional Mythical event than an actual story bit, even having an expiration date for access.
Regarding gen 5, the N twist actually was a twist for me. I don't watch opening credits. N revealing he was the King of Team Plasma broke my pre-teen heart. He'd seduced me with his autistic rizz and then stabbed me in the back.
Not only was the second part of the giratina surprised me, but the way it did. With what it looked like it being defeated but then transitioning into its second phase with that big music build up and then blasting you with that intense music was beautiful
When I played LeafGreen for the first time and saw my rival as the Champion, all I really thought was "Oh, phew! I've beaten this guy before, I thought it was gonna be someone harder!" Since the only other Pokemon game I'd played by that point was Platinum. Same thing with Giovanni since I chose Blastoise and it's hard to be a very intimidating gym-leader when you have nothing to deal with one of your weaknesses
I loved Shield. The giant battles and the epic presentation. The only problem was the lack of real villains. At least the psychic/fairy rival Bede went thru a change and developed.
Your character in Scarlet and Violet was probably surprised that Penny thought that you wouldn't remember her outfit. Probably would've done a facepalm if your character wasn't such a kind person
I don't know if you consider it a plot-twist, but i think Nebby transforming into Solgaleo/Lunala is really great too! Also, WHO THE HECK ever said Rei/Akari is Lucas/Dawn from BDSP??? Like, seriously who??
15:26 This isn’t actually confirmed anywhere in the game. It’s just a theory that a lot of people believe. If we count Masters as canon, it’s been debunked, but I’m not sure if it’s canon or not.
The Volo plot twist is why Legends Arceus is my all time favorite Pokémon game, and I really hope Legends Z-A provides every a fraction of how much fun I had playing Legends Arceus
I think Mindy in snowpoint city would’ve been great if there was some hidden game mechanic that would make her trade a Haunter without an Everstone. Like if you trade the medicham of a certain nature or holding a certain item (rare candy perhaps). It would’ve been a great inclusion that way in my opinion
I personally believe that the Team Rainbow rocket and all the villainous leaders succeeding in their goals in their world in the post Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon games is a good twist.
Person not biased toward gen 5 here The worst plot twist is how the team is hyped as having a cause that actually makes sense only for them to pull out the : "Oh but your leader was an evil manipulator so let's never discuss the idea that pokemon capturing might be slavery ever again, because that would endanger the franchise logic and we don't actually want that" They sneakingly switch the narrative from "is the team plasma cause just" to "should we follow Ghetis or N" turning an interesting moral debate into the same "bad guy must be dealt with" old thing all over again I'm sorry but legend of korra and many other stories get flak for pulling the "vilain has a cause that makes sense but he was evil so let's forget this cause was a thing" I don't see why pokemon should get to do it without any complaints
Volo’s plot twist was good. Too bad he was weak as hell lmao. Seriously, i dont understand why anyone had a hard time with him. His team gets swept by a simple gliscor
Sometimes when I play a pokemon game, I imagine it in anime style while playing it and I can just imagine the Ferris wheel ride where N tells the protagonist he’s the leader of Plasma just being one of those classic intense anime moments where everything just goes silent and the protagonist’s eyes go wide and he gets that classic anime petrified look
The worst plot twist was thinking you were going to directly fight a merged jellyfish lady, only for you to fight the exact same team from three hours ago. The Anime and Manga lets the characters fight Motherbeast Lusamine directly, why can’t you? I actually prefer Ultra Sun/Moon, because at least you can *actually fight* the powerful fusion!
It also feels like a total anticlimax. “Really, that’s your plan? Becoming a jellyfish? What is this, hentai?” I outright laughed the first time I played it.
@@EonArashi that storyline could actually have worked if they did it in the way Detective Pikachu did with everyone fusing with their Pokemon and not just Lusamine
The kukui battle remains the most enjoyable I have had in the pokemon games (& I have been playing these games for 20+ years now). I laughed with genuine joy too because it was the first league i did underleved and kukui was a heck of a challenge 😂
@@Garde_MystikYour best friend being the bigbad's sister would be evident to anyone who knows Japanese history but if you don't then it's quite a surprise
The worst Gen VII plot twist in my opinion is the fact that Lillie, Lusamine, and Gladion are related. I mean, anyone who isn’t colorblind can come to that conclusion before it was revealed in the Aether Paradise trip after Ula Ula.
Man i love gen 9 in general. Story, gameplay, Pokemon Design, all of it. I dont really care about the glitches. which, i assume many of them got patched long ago anyways.
I loved it too. I'm a sucker for the kinds of stories where someone gains the strength they needed through the "power of friendship" lol, so everything about Koraidon/Miraidon and my three friends made me wanna bawl. And it continued with Kieran. Seeing him like that, wanting to say something but being unable to... I loved the games a lot.
I'm glad to see Sun/Moon, PLA and S/V's stories get some appreciation. Pokemon stories have always ranged from non-existent to bad to kinda mediocre in terms of RPG storylines, but those 3 games actually managed to be legitimately good stories. The entire Area Zero segment is my favorite story moment in the franchise. The atmosphere, twists I legitimately didn't see coming, amazing music and that amazing final fight.
I love how the professor was also actually the main "villain" of the Scarlet/Violet games, with their obsession over the past/future pokemon and their desperate and ridiculous failsafes for the time machine's deactivation putting everyone in danger.
I'd love to see a video about the most emotionally impactful moments of every gen! Cubone reuniting with its mother's ghost isn't exactly a twist, but it does hit you right in the feels.
Also overshadowing the fact that in Gen 2 when you first discover Blue is the new Viridian gym leader was neat at the time helped build up the red twist.
The best plot twist IMO is that in S/V… . . . . . . …that Turo/Sada not only died, but that they were actually the villain responsible for temporal displacement of the paradox mons to the present day. The fact that to pull it off they just happen to have mastered AI, robotics, and friggin’ time travel to do it are neat little bonuses too
3:15 Actually, there’s a bit of it. Throughout the game there’s mention of “A boy 3 years ago” when team rocket’s past defeat is brought up. You can also visit his house in pallet town where his mom mentions him. There’s also a little bit more in HGSS if for some reason you decide to grind for it that early, after calling Blue a few times, he mentions Red. It’s still one of my favorite battles in the series BECAUSE of how little he gets brought up. Literally a living legend by the games standards.
I feel like SM Lusamine wasn't really supposed to be a huge twist IMO. The opening cutscene is a huge hint as you mentioned but the first time you meet her has a super off vibe, she has a very weird reaction to Nigilego's appearance and there's even a close up on her smirking
My favorite part about Keiran catching Terapagos is the foreshadowing of him having that Master Ball. He was the champion of the Blueberry Academy, and when you beat him and become the champ, you are given a Master Ball. None of his pokemon are in a Master Ball so it implies he hasn't used it yet
What I loved most about gen 9 is that Nemona's already a champion and only uses weaker pokémon to fight you alongside your journey. For most pokémon games, it always seemed as though your rival was entirely in your shadow at all times, and most served no purpose other than being your rival. But Nemona was different. Not only was she already a meaningful character right from the start, she was also very willing to go through the whole journey again not because she had to but because of you. To fight you on an even level, to help you grow. Finally a rival didn't feel like they were depending on my growth entirely. Finally a rival achieves something that's not traced back to me.
I called Volo being the bad guy as soon as i first battled him 5 minutes in.. That smirk he gave me just gave me the vibes. Did not think he wanted to kill me though with giratina..🤯
Wallace being Champion in Emerald surprised many people. I'm guessing that many people had no idea that Game Freak actually wanted Wallace to become Hoenn League Champion, not Steven. If you think about it, it makes sense. Many of Wallace's Pokémon are super effective against most of Steven's Pokémon.
If we take USUM by itself, without the context of SM, the Necrozma being an antagonist wasn't a plot twist. Game was pretty blunt with the Necrozma situation most of the way through. Ultra Necrozma was still a great plot twist Edit: The marketing was at least somewhat blunt with Necrozma being the antagonist as well
Actually Bede becoming the next fire gym leader in training caught me and pretty much everyone else I knew who played the game by surprise. Bede seemed like your call back to old jerk archetype rivals only for him to be met with a job offer and after how he’d been up until that point it was genuinely surprising that he took up the offer
I think another good twist worth mentioning is definitely Deoxys's appearance in Delta Episode. Sure, a lot of people have speculated about it, but you still wouldn't be able to contain the joy when you actually get into a battle with the wild Deoxys.
The fact that the Haunter trade in Scarlet and Violet wasn’t a scam is in itself a big plot twist because we were all expecting Blossom to scam us like Mindy did in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Brilliant Diamond, and Shining Pearl. Another thing I think probably shocked a lot of people is the fact that Arceus isn’t shiny locked in BDSP.
IMO the best plot twist by far for gen 7 was Nebby evolving into Solgaleo/Lunala. Legendary pokemon evolving was unheard of before then, it was brilliant
Yeah after recording the video I was wondering why I left that out
Honestly I got spoiled that Cosmog evolves but I DIDN"T expect Nebby to evole or be the one who is the box art Pokemon.
It was VERY obvious to me given how much importance the story was giving to this seemingly not important pokemon even though I still think it's great, especially the cutscene. It was a fresh twist on legendaries to have weaker forms by your side that's for sure.
@@kyurei4478 Wait...I remember a convo on another video we were doing like a month ago...crap what video was it on?
@@Jdudec367 I don't know, I don't remember that.
The Professor being dead and the Larry Elite 4 double jumpscare (LARRY IS HERE? HE’S NOT DOING NORMAL TYPES?) in Gen 9 were the best twists I’d seen in any media for a good while, tbh.
the professor twist was doubly shocking because it had been a while since Pokemon had gotten that dark
@@whiteraven562and it’s not even like they try to dance around it, they straight up tell you “The original Professor Sada/Turo passed away due to suffering fatal injuries.” Like, damn GameFreak!
The best part about the Larry plot twist is that his flying types beat any fighting types you planned to use to beat his normal types.
@ completely clowned me when I showed up with fighting types
The saddest twist in X/Y is the old man you lend a pokemon too and by the time your come back he's passed on
His name was AZ I think
@@hatmanstudios3 what
@@hatmanstudios3AZ doesn't die lol...there's just some random NPC in Anistar City who asks for a sub-level 5 pokemon who dies once you become champion
@@hatmanstudios3 AZ is immortal
It’s a guy who lives in anistar city I think
Volo's plot twist is so impactful that it makes me hope he appears in another mainline Pokemon game
Same here man he’s too good
Volo was OBVIOUSLY up to SOMETHING. I saw it coming, as there was CLEAR BUILDUP to him being the bad guy...
No, the biggest twist for me was the Chef guy(I forget his name) being revealed as both the Ancestor of Wally AND A badass Ninja... just making Dumplings...
I truly did not see that coming.
It was extremely obvious to me
@@HybridHeroFr he’s awesome
He's already present in Pokémon Masters EX and is being built up as an antagonist during its newest story arc.
For me, the biggest plot twist in ScarVio's DLCs is the realization that they DO have something to do with the main plot. Teal Mask starts with what seems like its own plot, like the SwSh DLCs, and then ties into the main story in the same way as the three stories in the main game.
Legends: Arceus and Scarlet/Violet proved that the story doesn't have to end when the game ends, that it can continue into the post-game. I think the post-game will be an integral part of the main story from now on in future generations.
Especially since it means Nintendo can keep collecting money from them!
@@kyuven It's so maddening how they keep gouging us!! 😫
@kyuven honestly the fact that the "fly" HM was behind a 30$ paywall is kinda bull. The game didn't run well enough at base for the dlc to be doing that.
Playing as pokemon sure, that's neat and kinda unique. But being able to fly should have been in the base game.
The best plot twist was Larry being revealed to be a Flying type E4. In his gym battle he wore his cloud tie, unkempt feathery hair and Staraptor being normal/flying is genius foreshadowing. Larry as a character concept is genius, normal/flying is also the most common dual typing. Narratively he wants to be normal but society wants him to be flying (literally and metaphorically). He likes comfort and familiarity but in his post game rematch he learns of the importance of the unfamiliar which is symbolised by his flying team. He accepts his role in the E4 and accepts that the integrating the unfamiliar can be a good thing. In the Indigo DLC his team is a mixture of normal/flying types representing his mini character arc of him understanding why Geeta forced him to use flying types. It is ok to mix the unfamiliar and the familiar as highlighted by his mixed team - it is ok to be and love the ordinary and to sometimes accept and love the new. Larry is the normal/flying type in human form and I love it.
i think you like Larry
@@LWWCutCopperStairs How did you know?!
@@Powder-Point Just a guess
The biggest plot twist, Larry being champions for 2 different types (gym leader + league) because he's an overwork salaryman
This twist literally lost me that fight. I lead with my fighting type to gain a tempo and I was punished 😂
The worst plot twist is Lugia being a psychic type. It came out of no where and makes no sense.
Facts, should’ve been a water type to this day
Did NOBODY watch Pokémon 2000?
Lugia is clearly shown to be psychic. Moreover, if you pay attention, despite using whirlpool, it has NO MARKERS of a water type.
Psychic/Flying makes sense.
Lugia was created FOR the movies, And was added to the gen2 games Afterward.
Also, while the US and most other languages Refer to it as "the lord of the sea" the Japanese refers to it as the "GUARDIAN" of the sea, which makes sense, as it's based on the Japanese Dragon God of the Sea...
No, Psychic makes sense... but Lugia not being a Dragon, THATS the nonsensical Twist. (It's even, in the hg/ss expanded lore, referred to as the Dragon revered in ancient times in the dragons den.)
Lugia should be a Psychic/Dragon.
It should be noted that the ORIGINAL plan was a ice Type Beast based upon Fenrir... But they liked Lugia so much the Ice-Wolf was scrapped... and still hasn't been seen to this day. Ho-oh was supposed to be paired with a Water/Ice counter to its Fire/Flying types.
@@matthewrowlett1564 You litterally explained what one of it's impirations is and still belive that it makes sense as a psychic type.
Takeshi Shudo, creator of Lugia and chief writer for the anime and it's movies, based it off of ocean currents.
Shigeki Morimoto, a programmer for Gen 2, admitted they were going to make Lugia a water type, but decided to change it to psychic type since they wanted it to "feel powerful" since psychic was the most over powered type in Gen 1.
You brought up the fact that Lugia is based on the Japanses Dragon God of the SEA 💧💧🌊🌊, yet you used that as evidence that it should be dragon type.
Since you brought up the movies, the literal movie endswith water rising from the ocean and causing the seas to be tamed.
The moves used are whirlpool, aeroblast, and safeguard, a WATER, flying, and NORMAL type move. No use of psychic types.
People say, "it can talk to people". Meowth can talk to people. Also Tentacruel used Meowth as a puppet to talk to people in the episode "Tentacool & Tentacruel".
You haven't even given me any "evidence" for the psychic type and gave me evidence for it being water type and dragon type.
So the 3 types that makes sense for it are water, flying, and dragon.
@@justinn8541akaDrPokemon the sea god in question has wind powers, but no water powers other than changing tides, which is gravity.
Second, Lugia speaks with people TELEPATHICALLY, much like Mewtwo and Slowking. Meowth does not, it learned to physically Speak human language. And what Tentacruel does IS Psychic, as Tentacruel CAN learn Psychic type moves in gen1, Which that season is based on.
And there is this neat little thing Called HYDROKINESIS, The Telekinetic control over water.
The 3 big reasons EVERYONE says in argument for it being water type are:
1: it lives under water. Yeah, so does Dhelmise, a Grass/Ghost pokemon, Dragalge, a Dragon/Poison pokemon, And most counter to your theory, Dratini AND Dragonair, PURE DRAGON TYPES.
2: it uses Water type moves: So does Rhydon. And it's WEAK to water.
3: It's based on a Sea God: Yes and No. It's based on a Dragon God OF THE SEA, Not a SEA GOD that happens to be a dragon. OF THE SEA means it LIVES there, it is OF there, not necessarily in control of it. The God in question was actually a God of Fair Winds, protection, Safe Harbor, and Fertility... amd was said to arise, COMPLETELY DRY, From the sea surrounded by a sphere of water... much like lugia Flying within the Whirlpool.
Sounds like Hydrokinesis to me.
More evidence is Lugia Being A hydrokinetic Psychic and NOT a water type: Water types can CREATE Water. Lugia just uses the water Around it.
Now, Since then, in the anime, it's been shown using Water Pulse and Hydro Pump, but originally? Just Whirlpool.
It didn't MAKE water, it Simply controlled it.
Lugia is A Hydro-Kinetic, Telekinetic, Telepathic Bird, that looks like a Dragon.
Psychic/Flying makes sense. Psychic/Dragon Also Makes Sense. Water/Flying? Not so much.
Now, I'll give you that it COULD have been water type... if it weren't Flying type. Psychic fits, it makes sense, especially with all the CLEAR EVIDENCE OF PSYCHIC POWERS.
Flying, however, does not make sense, other than "it's a bird, so it's Flying type." Which is just dumb, and I wish they'd stop doing...
@@matthewrowlett1564
You are an idiot for denying the fact the creator and an important programmer for the game admitted they either based Lugia of of ocean current, or said they were originally going to make it water type before changing it to psychic type to make it powerful since psychic was the most overpowered type in gen 1.
I still can not belive you think the water type makes no sense but psychic does.
Evidence you idiots use for Lugia's BS psychic type.
1. "It ONLY lives under the ocean."
That isn't evidence for it being psychic type. Yet that is the main point you fools use to explain why it's psychic type.
And your rebuttle for this Dhelmise, Dragalge, Dratine, and Dragonair, pokemon who have logical typing. People don't have a problem with Dratini and Dragonair being dragon type despite being based on sea serpents. No one also has a problem with the Electross line not being water type despiteing eels, because just being electric type makes sense for them.
Also, I never said dragon type makes sense, because there is actual evidence for it to make sense. I only have the problem with the psychic typing because it makes no sense in lore, in dex entries, and the only reason it's psychic type is because the programmers wanted it to be.
2. "Move Set". Lugia has more normal type moves than water and flying combined. 19. Even if I combined water, flying, and psychic to play devil's advocate, those 3 combined make up 14.
You bring up Rhydon learning surf as a counterargument. Well both Rhydon and Rhyhorn learn no rock or ground moves naturally in Gen 1, and only learns them through TMs/HMs like surf.
3. You are straight up telling me it's based on a sea god, and you somehow think it makes no sense for it to be water type.
Do You honestly think hydrokenisis means psychic type? You know, HYDRO, Greek for WATER. You are telling me, it can only use its psychic powers, on water, when every time we seen any form of telekinesis in the anime, it can interact with anything.
4. "It uses telepathy."
Since you used the defense of tentacruel being able to use telepathy is because it knows psychic moves. The only psychic move it naturally learns is barrier, a +2 for defense. The other 2: reflect, which is used on 70+ non-psychic Gen 1 pokemon, and rest, which only 6 Pokemon CAN'T learn rest.
I'm not even going to touch the fact that there are multiple cases of legendaries being able to communicate with humans.
You dare say flying has no evidence, but say psychic makes sense. You are the first person who thinks Lugia's flying type is BS. Considering the fact you argue hydrokineses is an argument against Lugia being a water type and proof for it making sense as a psychic type, it's not that surprising.
Reasons flying type makes sense:
1. Entries in Gen 2 confirm it's presess of storms, which is celebrated on in later dex entries. Thinks like it flying and it causes 40 day storms.
2. Aeroblast is a flying type move and contains "Aero" which means air. And in this case air means flying type.
3. It can fly. I know that's not the end all be all considering many poison/bug types can also fly, but considering it's you, I need to make it clear Lugia makes sense as a flying type.
4. It can also learn the move fly.
5. It learns more flying type moves naturally than psychic.
imo, gen 8's plot twist is when Opal drags Bede away to train him as a gym leader. Didn't play Sw/Sh but still I thought that seemed fun.
TRUEEEE I FORGOT ABOUT THAT
I ligit laughed when I first got to that part due to it being so unexpected
Pink! :D
Oh bede was the dumbest and most annoying rival
PIIIIINKKKKK
Calem/Serena: Hello it’s nice to meet you.
Lysandre: this world is imperfect…
C/S: what?
L: if only I could wipe away the impurities…
C/S: is anybody else listening to this…?
L: and make it as beautiful as me…
15 hours of gameplay later
Diantha: Lysandre you were behind all this?!?
L: yes it was I my machinations lay undetected for years for I am a master of deception.
C/S:…
I would have had Shauna be in place of Diantha but this works really well
I think one of the most horrifying plot twists come in Gen 7's Sun & Moon, where if you read a book at the trainer's school on Melemele Island and it tells a story about a Pikachu, Pyukumuku, and Slowpoke starting off and going on an adventure was supposed to be a throwaway inclusion, only to find out that when confronting Lusamine in her secret chamber on Aether Paradise that the 3 pokemon frozen in carbonate ice is the same Pikachu, Pyukumuku, and Slowpoke from that story was freakin wild.
oh my!
That scene had me in tears when I was a kid. I was legit trying not to sob, the implications were so horrifying. 😅
Omg i didnt know about that book in the trainer school, that's awesome
Volos boss fight was the first time in years I felt any kind of actual challenge from a Pokémon game, and I love him for it.
Legit the hardest fight in main series Pokemon
@@HybridHero nah blueberry e4 took that real quick
@@HowManySmall bdsp e4 kinda hard as well. Especially the final rematch
@@HowManySmall S/V mechanics are a lot easier though. Volo is harder because PLA battles are harder
@@HowManySmall Nah. I beat them pretty easily with the team i had (i even made a slightly different one that I used in the main game). Volo was way harder.
I was a little disappointed that you didn’t give mention to my personal favorite plot twist in Pokemon: Nebby evolving into the boxart legendary! I was SHOCKED! Before then, legendaries NEVER evolved. When Nebby was in what Lillie called a weakened state and the poor thing had literally been tortured, I thought when we played the flute at the Altar of the Sun/Moon, the box legendary would arrive and use its power to restore Nebby to its original form. I never imagined that it would evolve into Solgaleo/Lunala!
Also, while I didn’t see Cynthia’s ancestor turning against us, I did kinda have a feeling from somewhat early on that SOMEONE would betray us, since every Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game has a betrayal at some point
I had to name Solgaleo "Nebby" when I caught it
Plus Kamado betrays us earlier too. And Beni. So we think that's over with
The fact that the entire plot of SV was a paradox kicked off by us was so bittersweet, and as soon as the title screen changed to the sunset with the slow title theme, I cried. There was this air of both victory and tragedy in the air. We won, we achieved everything- But at what cost?
It wasn't though. We gave the book to a different timeline's professor. The one from our timeline never gave up their copy of Heath's book
@AkemiStormBorn Honestly, the whole paradox thing is annoying to me. But it is a closed paradox, I guess. These events either play out or they don't without some dumb loop shenanigans.
Thank god it's not actual time travel or this whole thing would just be a headache. We'll besides that bit with the alternate timeline prof at the end. I guess we either give them the research (look the scarlet/violet book doesn't need to be their original they probably got another one after the fact. Its not exactly rare) and things play put like it had for us or we don't and the same thing likeky happens anyhow.
The AI professor was an amazing twist that genuinely made me feel bad for Arven. I’m very critical with Pokémon ‘rivals’ (let’s face it most of them are just your friends and not rivals) but gen 9 did a good job at making me care about Arven and Nemona. Penny… Penny needed some work.
Believe it or not, the Kalos rivals, especially Tierno, are actually really popular in Japan.
Beside's being a good dancer, he's not likeable. He's the worst rival in the game's.
@@LorenaCamargo-w7y Believe it or not, he's a very popular character in Japan. And I don't personally mind him.
Friends can be rivals. Idk why people insist that they can't be.
@@BJGvideos Exactly.
Unraveling the Abyssal Ruins lore from Gen 5 gave me my personal favorite twist of N being the legitimate heir to the old throne of Unova making the context of his whole journey so much more compelling.
Wait, what? He is??
Can you write how this is possible?
I've never heard this before. Could you please elaborate?
Yeah, it requires a lot of deciphering but if you take the time, you find out that the ruins are connected to the original heroes and the king is N’s ancestor. Someone actually made a video on it too:
th-cam.com/video/fEcL83e9vfg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pq-R-quyM-q8EqD_
@@tic01 That's amazing! Thank you so much for linking to that video.
“Pokemon may not be known for any kind of crazy stories of anything-“
*Pokemon Horizons laughing maniacally in the corner*
I had this feeling that gen 5 Cynthia is one of the best plot twist in Pokémon game and scary one
I still remember that Spiritomb. I panicked the first time I saw it
Yeah, her popping out from a random beach house while she’s on vacation made me wary to keep breaking into random houses after that 😅
You forgot the best twist in the series
The delta episode reveal recontenxutualises the entire franchise with Zinnia's mutliverse dropp
Yes, this! The SV plot wouldn't even have been possible without this piece of lore. I know they could have revealed the multiverse in SV, but it would have distracted from the narrative. It was way cooler to have that lore show back up after having it revealed many years prior.
@ClearSummerSkies not to mention how much better it made USUM in later context. My personal favorite is how Guzzlird is battled in the ruins of an alternate Melemele island
Chairman Rose on his way to be a shitty villain yet have a banger theme
Yeah I was considering using his theme but I couldn’t sideline Volos
Just saying, kind of off topic, i got to say, the Adventures manga made Rose a very interesting character! It even develops his relationship with Bede even more
the anime adding that Rose's father had died in a mining accident really added a lot to his motivation@@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452
imagine releasing an eldritch creature just because the energy of the region will run out in 10000 years (he lives in a sci-fi world with infinite renewable energy)
@@ShiftShido He had to be the hero. He sees this as a legitimate threat but he needs to be the one to save everyone and be remembered forever
A S/V plot twist was Penny not having a new Eevee evo. What a wasted opportunity.
I was hoping there would be a Frankensteinian Eevee from another timeline featured in the DLC.
It was the perfect opportunity to have a paradox eevee based on the version of the game
@@Bruhsaurus-Moment Amalgameon
I was actually hoping that they would've finally given the Eeveelutions secondary Eeveelutions. Flareon gets Fighting, Vaporeon gets Ground, Jolteon gets Bug, Espeon gets Steel, Umbreon gets Poison, Leafeon gets Flying, Glaceon gets Rock, and Syleon gets Dragon.
@@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702Glaceon gets rock typing? You must really hate Glaceon 🫠
In my opinion the best plottwist in Gen 4 was in PMD, when Dusknoir grabbed the Protagonist and their partner to drag them into the future.
And in Gen 3 also in PMD it's when the hunt after the Protagonist and the partner starts
I started reading comments looking for this! PMD's story was phenomenal. Shout-out to finding out grovyle was your ally all along. The whole Darkrai episode. And especially finding out your character would fade away if you succeeded.
I heard "Mindy" and audibly sighed
Don't forget the Gen 7 Battle Tree twist of adult Red and Blue showing up to battle.
I think one of the biggest plot twists of gen 7 wasn't that the Aether Foundation was evil, I knew that from the first trailer with them, no it was the fact the Lusamine was Gladion and Lily's mom. When I saw her in the trailer I thought she was like their older sister that was like late teens early twenties, but no this woman is over 40 years old.
Volo thumbnail goes hard
Lowkey it’s an AoT scene
@@HybridHero Yeah, Eren and Grisha I believe
@@Fluminox- Correct!
You're right, the Sun and Moon series is severely underrated. I just recently got done doing it's OST with gameplay in the background instead of the logo image, and I had forgotten how well written Lusamine was as a villain, how great Lillie's character development, aliens and interdimensional beings, originality in how to do challenges etc.
Not to mention how it's probably the darkest storyline in a Pokemon game when it comes to its themes. It is, at its core, a story about child abuse. The main villain was so obsessed with aliens that she neglected and hurt her children until they both ran away. Team Skull's leader was literally physically beaten by his own dad throughout his childhood. Team Skull as a whole serves as a sort of found family for kids who were failed by the systems in place in their society, which is why Nanu isn't actually bothered to do anything about them. And it's even in the legendaries. Nebby and Type:Null both have their evolutions tied to their trauma and healing. The theme of abuse is in every aspect of the story. I'm legitimately surprised Gamefreak was willing to make a story about that.
@@IceFireofVoidnot just that, the fact that neglected kids tend to follow stronger people for the worse, like Team Skull following Guzma that still beats them, or Guzma following Lusamine because she "respects" him. Even near the end, Guzmas Team ReSkull are only together because they'd rather stay with Guzma than go back home, showing that their homes have not gotten better.
The Volo plot twist was one of the craziest experiences I've ever had playing a Pokemon game. I just never could come to accept that an ancestor of Cynthia could be so evil.
And makes cynthia a Tragic hero as well! Fixing the damage that Her Ancestor made!
Volo's entire situation is pretty ambiguous and open for theorizing since we only get small snippets or implied things from him. I could go and shoot my theory here, but it'd be too lengthy.
@@Charara999 im intrigued
@totallynotvaltorsdaughter
It's gonna be lengthy, but TLDR at the bottom.
I like to think that Volo was influenced/ brainwashed or even possessed by Giratina to carry out its will, especially towards and during the final battle. His end-game actions don't line up with everything else he did before. I personally think that he genuinely is as kind and friendly as he appears, and definitely a fast learner, given how quickly he understood how Pokeballs worked despite them being a recent invention.
Giratina gave him the ghost plate as a reminder of their pact (maybe a "Help me, help you" situation?) and sensing his frustration towards Arceus, the deity he worshipped, not stopping the tragedy that befell him when it very well could have. We don't know how long ago it was, so Volo very much could've been a child/ teen. He also could've had noble intentions of wanting to meet Arceus besides his satisfying his curiosity, such as maybe undoing the tragedy that befell him. Giratina used that wish, twisted it into an obsession, and made him follow its own desires of overthrowing Arceus instead, potentially subtly manipulating him over several years until the events of the game, letting him believe that Giratina's thoughts and desires were his own. Legendary Pokémon have shown to either be as intelligent as humans or even more so. I'm not saying that Giratina is flat-out evil, just so hellbent on revenge that it's willing to do anything in its power. At least during the game.
When he started laughing after revealing Giratina's existence to Akari/Rei, it might have been Giratina exerting more control over him and either Giratina laughing through him or him just trying to cope with the pressure it exerted over him. Him going absolutely raving mad was him succumbing to Giratina's control and being a bit more than a mouthpiece for it, coming to a head when he summoned it to his side.
After he and Giratina finally are defeated and Volo gives Akari/Rei the plate, he was freed from its possession but still was influenced by its lingering power, hence him lashing out again when seeing the Azure Flute and leaving afterwards. Akari/Rei went on to catch Giratina and quell its rage. We don't know what happened to Volo. Given that Giratina is flat out stated to be an "eldritch presence," it's not unlikely that it takes a bit of time to properly come down from that insanity. Or he fully embraced his broken mind. Pokémon Masters reveals that Volo has severe trust issues from being betrayed by former friends/family/colleagues and believes "Use them before they use you."
Tl;dr: Giratina could've controlled Volo instead of the other way around, and Volo was more of a protagonist in a cosmic horror story than a flat-out villain, and he needs some serious therapy.
@@Charara999 :o that makes sense
The Clive twist and masked royale twist are the greatest twists in all of pokemon
I saw Clive and thought you were talking about Professor Layton.
Mohn being Lusamine's husband who she was trying to find in the original Sun and Moon only for it to be resolved in the Ultras
Lysanderoth, you were behind this!
Yes, it was I! My mach-i-nations lay undetected for years for I am a ma-ster of de-ce-ption!
Such an underrated reference 😂
I too have to say Nebby evolving caught me by surprise!
Also while not exactly groundbreaking, in gen 2, finding out what happened to Cinnabar Island was also a shocking twist for me when I first played and got to that area!
IMO they should have made Diantha the leader of Team Flare not Lysandre it would have been a better twist not to mention they’re both kind of opposites to one another
I think it should depend on the game, Diantha matches well with Xerneus, though Lydandre matches really well with Yveltul.
13:59 I think Hop catching the opposite box art legendary is a good twist
I think in Sun and Moon they expected you to think something was up with Lillie. She is seen running away with something stolen, and there is an air of mystery around her especially in the beginning of the game. But i guess she was too pure for that to become a thought.
Now THIS would have been amazing for the USUM plotline instead of the Necrozma stuff...
The best twist for Sun and Moon is you realizing that you’re not the main character story wise.
Bede becoming Opal's successor was my favorite plot twist from SWSH. I wasn't expecting it, but god was it hilarious when it happened
Ultra Sun and Moon are supposed to be alternate universes if I’m not wrong. I think I would’ve been cool if we got to fight Elio and Selene from the first games as like a multiverse thing
Lilie and the player watching Guzma fall lol
Hey at least they were concerned
Honestly... I was caught off guard when Lusamine went full psycho mother in SM, and when I found out Lillie and Gladion were related to her (I was Hau in this situation).
Nothing you brought up for Gen 3 is a plot twist though. We're told we have a dad at the start of the game and Team Aqua/Magma being "Good" when not the Evil Team of the game is just a matter of inconsistency and perspective. The only real plot twist is that Wally is your "True Rival" and it was awful because from what I've heard, literally no one even remembered him when he came back, and you only fight him once prior to the confrontation at Victory Road. Oh and Wallace being Champion in Emerald.
The Best Plot Twist in Gen 4 is that Cyrus isn't 50. The Worst Plot twist is that Cyrus is 20.
Actually... No yeah, you're right about the worst. The Everstone Haunter was the worst Plot Twist in Gen 4.
Gen 5's best Plot Twist is that N is actually hella chill, he's just been manipulated the whole time. It's worst is the fact that Ghetsis escaped after BW.
Also... N is apparently 20??
Honestly as much as I hate Volo, he did have the single best twist in the entire franchise. The clues are so subtle, but when you know what to look for it becomes so painfully obvious that you wonder how you missed it the first time. It's not a "oh this came out of nowhere" twist, it's hinted from the second you MEET Volo, but it's hidden just enough to not be obvious, and that's why, while I hate him personality-wise, his plot twist is unironically the franchise's greatest.
Cyrus is 27, not 20
@@BJGvideos "Impressive for one only 20 years old" - Looker to the Player in regards to Cyrus in Platinum during the Veilstone HQ Raid. Granted about 3 years pass from Platinum to BW, and another 3 to B2W2, but as of his actual role as villain, he's specifically stated to be exactly 20.
@@thomashost272 No, Looker's line, copied directly from Bulbapedia:
"...Whew. So, that was Cyrus, the boss of the Team Galactic. Quite the performance, no? Mesmerizing for one of only 27 years old."
@@BJGvideos I could swear it was 20 exactly, but looking at the list of quotes... you're right, still doesn't explain why he looks 40 though.
@@thomashost272 His history explains that. Under severe mental pressure from an early age, emotional neglect, and the one person who even NOTICED anything was wrong refused to help him
Some of these plots twists would hit ever harder if we had voice acting for the cut scenes instead of reading the dialogue. Imagine that Volo line booming through the speaker, "Giratina, strike him down!"
I too feel for that haunter thing in sinnoh
I hate Mindy
3:24 try being just between 7 and 10 years old, having no knowledge of the gen 1 games, and finding Red at the top of Mt. Silver. It was honestly scary for little kid me when I did just that in Pokémon Crystal. I remember that, somehow, Red's Pikachu was a shiny when I first faced him, too. I wasn't expecting such a powerful opponent. And even after losing over and over, I eventually won. Those feelings of tension, frustration, accomplishment and pride are something that I will NEVER forget.
Rose who couldnt wait a damn day to solve an energy crisis that wont be felt until 1,000 years later so he ended up disrupting the Pokemon League finals and awakening the Pokemon equivalent of Galactus' hand in the procress putting the damn region at risk.
While the pokemon he needed to generate unlimited energy, Regieleki, is just at the Crown Tundra at the south of the same damn region, is peak stupidity.
Gloria even said in Adventures manga that Eternatus wouldn’t solve things forever
I like how the adventurers manga handled it by explaining that he wasn't actually trying to solve a crisis that wouldn't happen in a thousand years but was instead trying to ensure that Galar would still be around a thousand years into the future, and that Galar was actually doomed to run out of energy 10 years into the future with Galarian society completely collapsing in 20 to 30 years with human and pokemon being completely destroyed in 100 years.
Maybe a reason he didn’t bother with getting a Regieleki could be A) Plot. Or B) perhaps needing to solve more then just an energy crisis
1:57 you glazing giovanni a lot but i dont think i reacted at all when i saw him as the last gym leader
Fr bro same, I never reacted to that
Yo right?
The worst SV twist was finding out Geeta is “the top champion”/doesnt hold back while using a gogoat and avalugg
Her rematch makes up for that
I like the whole N being a false king (not really one but you get it)
yeah sucks that it was Ghetsis in the end but Gen 5 is peak regardless
@HybridHero I actually like ghetsis as a villain. Him being an abusive and manuplitive father definitely adds some emotion to the game. Also that way they can have a redeemed villan and a pure evil villan.
8:52 - I’ll always wish that the final boss fight with N and his legendary included him wearing his king outfit. Would’ve made it more epic than it already was
When I found out the Rival I named Anakin in Heartgold is Giovanni's kid, I was shocked!
Volo’s reveal wasn’t that great, in my opinion. Just the way the camera panned on his face when he said “Giratina” screamed “BAD INTENTIONS” to me. The battle, however, was what made me freak out.
The best plot twist of black and white is the Rival, Pokémon League, Villain team, and Box Legendary Pokémon plots concluding at the same time in the finale.
I know it’s not a big twist, but as a kid finding out Ghetsis didn’t care about pokemon and was just a piece of sh*t who wanted to conquer all of Unova by USING N was a big unexpected twist
Fighting the old Hero in Gold and Silver was hardcore. Giovanni son needs to be revisited in the future.
I'm usually not the kind of guy to pick favourites, but playing Violet completely shifted my view on what GameFreak can do with a Pokemon story. Generations 5 and 7 were my favourites for plot more or less equally (they had a lot of similar highs and lows in my eyes, while beating other mainline games), but Gen 9, DLCs included, was peak for me. Only real issue I have is the entire epilogue, but at least that's more of an optional Mythical event than an actual story bit, even having an expiration date for access.
Expiration date? I mean in theory yeah but that would be "whenever the Switch online goes down"
Regarding gen 5, the N twist actually was a twist for me. I don't watch opening credits. N revealing he was the King of Team Plasma broke my pre-teen heart. He'd seduced me with his autistic rizz and then stabbed me in the back.
Not only was the second part of the giratina surprised me, but the way it did. With what it looked like it being defeated but then transitioning into its second phase with that big music build up and then blasting you with that intense music was beautiful
I always thought why Sword and Shield's story sucks is because most of the writing team went to work on Pokemon Arceus.
When I played LeafGreen for the first time and saw my rival as the Champion, all I really thought was "Oh, phew! I've beaten this guy before, I thought it was gonna be someone harder!" Since the only other Pokemon game I'd played by that point was Platinum. Same thing with Giovanni since I chose Blastoise and it's hard to be a very intimidating gym-leader when you have nothing to deal with one of your weaknesses
The worst plot twist in Sword and Shield was before the game was released.
I loved Shield. The giant battles and the epic presentation. The only problem was the lack of real villains. At least the psychic/fairy rival Bede went thru a change and developed.
Your character in Scarlet and Violet was probably surprised that Penny thought that you wouldn't remember her outfit. Probably would've done a facepalm if your character wasn't such a kind person
I don't know if you consider it a plot-twist, but i think Nebby transforming into Solgaleo/Lunala is really great too!
Also, WHO THE HECK ever said Rei/Akari is Lucas/Dawn from BDSP??? Like, seriously who??
I mean, look at them.
15:26 This isn’t actually confirmed anywhere in the game. It’s just a theory that a lot of people believe. If we count Masters as canon, it’s been debunked, but I’m not sure if it’s canon or not.
The Volo plot twist is why Legends Arceus is my all time favorite Pokémon game, and I really hope Legends Z-A provides every a fraction of how much fun I had playing Legends Arceus
I think Mindy in snowpoint city would’ve been great if there was some hidden game mechanic that would make her trade a Haunter without an Everstone. Like if you trade the medicham of a certain nature or holding a certain item (rare candy perhaps). It would’ve been a great inclusion that way in my opinion
I personally believe that the Team Rainbow rocket and all the villainous leaders succeeding in their goals in their world in the post Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon games is a good twist.
Person not biased toward gen 5 here
The worst plot twist is how the team is hyped as having a cause that actually makes sense only for them to pull out the :
"Oh but your leader was an evil manipulator so let's never discuss the idea that pokemon capturing might be slavery ever again, because that would endanger the franchise logic and we don't actually want that"
They sneakingly switch the narrative from "is the team plasma cause just" to "should we follow Ghetis or N" turning an interesting moral debate into the same "bad guy must be dealt with" old thing all over again
I'm sorry but legend of korra and many other stories get flak for pulling the "vilain has a cause that makes sense but he was evil so let's forget this cause was a thing" I don't see why pokemon should get to do it without any complaints
Volo’s plot twist was good. Too bad he was weak as hell lmao. Seriously, i dont understand why anyone had a hard time with him. His team gets swept by a simple gliscor
Sometimes when I play a pokemon game, I imagine it in anime style while playing it and I can just imagine the Ferris wheel ride where N tells the protagonist he’s the leader of Plasma just being one of those classic intense anime moments where everything just goes silent and the protagonist’s eyes go wide and he gets that classic anime petrified look
The worst plot twist was thinking you were going to directly fight a merged jellyfish lady, only for you to fight the exact same team from three hours ago.
The Anime and Manga lets the characters fight Motherbeast Lusamine directly, why can’t you?
I actually prefer Ultra Sun/Moon, because at least you can *actually fight* the powerful fusion!
Hard agree, but also for other reasons in the context of SM Lusamine
It also feels like a total anticlimax. “Really, that’s your plan? Becoming a jellyfish? What is this, hentai?” I outright laughed the first time I played it.
@@EonArashi that storyline could actually have worked if they did it in the way Detective Pikachu did with everyone fusing with their Pokemon and not just Lusamine
I love when Giratina appears in Legends Arceus. The single, black wing behind Volo reminds me so much of Sephiroth.
it reminded me of so many fictional characters at the same time lmao
The kukui battle remains the most enjoyable I have had in the pokemon games (& I have been playing these games for 20+ years now).
I laughed with genuine joy too because it was the first league i did underleved and kukui was a heck of a challenge 😂
The spin-off games have insane plot twists, too!
The Ransei region being shaped like Arceus
@@Garde_MystikYour best friend being the bigbad's sister would be evident to anyone who knows Japanese history but if you don't then it's quite a surprise
@@BJGvideos that's true as well
Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time/Space/Sky. That whole game is a mind screw at points.
The worst Gen VII plot twist in my opinion is the fact that Lillie, Lusamine, and Gladion are related. I mean, anyone who isn’t colorblind can come to that conclusion before it was revealed in the Aether Paradise trip after Ula Ula.
Man i love gen 9 in general. Story, gameplay, Pokemon Design, all of it. I dont really care about the glitches. which, i assume many of them got patched long ago anyways.
Finally someone who likes it!
I loved it too. I'm a sucker for the kinds of stories where someone gains the strength they needed through the "power of friendship" lol, so everything about Koraidon/Miraidon and my three friends made me wanna bawl.
And it continued with Kieran. Seeing him like that, wanting to say something but being unable to... I loved the games a lot.
@@bugcatcherjacky1334 Kieran = G.O.A.T.
I'm glad to see Sun/Moon, PLA and S/V's stories get some appreciation. Pokemon stories have always ranged from non-existent to bad to kinda mediocre in terms of RPG storylines, but those 3 games actually managed to be legitimately good stories. The entire Area Zero segment is my favorite story moment in the franchise. The atmosphere, twists I legitimately didn't see coming, amazing music and that amazing final fight.
I just realized Red disappears after you beat him because he blacks out
One big Twist that you forgot was The delta Episode, whit zinnia revealing The pokémon multiverse
I think pecharunt making people do the chicken dance was the funniest plot twist. That whole DLC made me laugh so hard!
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE CREATIVITY AND COMPLEXITY OF THE WORLD OF SWORD AND SHIELD!?
GEN 8 isn't STUPID, YOU'RE STUPID!!!
I love Billy
AHH HUHU why you gotta be like that?! 😢😢
Trust me, you aren't the only one.
I'll admit, Giovanni being the gym leader was something 5-year-old me hadn't expected, and in retrospect, it was a really nice one.
I love how the professor was also actually the main "villain" of the Scarlet/Violet games, with their obsession over the past/future pokemon and their desperate and ridiculous failsafes for the time machine's deactivation putting everyone in danger.
I'd love to see a video about the most emotionally impactful moments of every gen! Cubone reuniting with its mother's ghost isn't exactly a twist, but it does hit you right in the feels.
Gen 9 is probably gonna be Arven and Mastabiff
Let’s not forget the biggest twist; the BW2 Undella town secret boss
Also overshadowing the fact that in Gen 2 when you first discover Blue is the new Viridian gym leader was neat at the time helped build up the red twist.
The best plot twist IMO is that in S/V…
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…that Turo/Sada not only died, but that they were actually the villain responsible for temporal displacement of the paradox mons to the present day. The fact that to pull it off they just happen to have mastered AI, robotics, and friggin’ time travel to do it are neat little bonuses too
3:15 Actually, there’s a bit of it. Throughout the game there’s mention of “A boy 3 years ago” when team rocket’s past defeat is brought up. You can also visit his house in pallet town where his mom mentions him. There’s also a little bit more in HGSS if for some reason you decide to grind for it that early, after calling Blue a few times, he mentions Red.
It’s still one of my favorite battles in the series BECAUSE of how little he gets brought up. Literally a living legend by the games standards.
Ty for giving Gen 5 the respect it deserves
I feel like SM Lusamine wasn't really supposed to be a huge twist IMO. The opening cutscene is a huge hint as you mentioned but the first time you meet her has a super off vibe, she has a very weird reaction to Nigilego's appearance and there's even a close up on her smirking
My favorite part about Keiran catching Terapagos is the foreshadowing of him having that Master Ball. He was the champion of the Blueberry Academy, and when you beat him and become the champ, you are given a Master Ball. None of his pokemon are in a Master Ball so it implies he hasn't used it yet
What I loved most about gen 9 is that Nemona's already a champion and only uses weaker pokémon to fight you alongside your journey. For most pokémon games, it always seemed as though your rival was entirely in your shadow at all times, and most served no purpose other than being your rival.
But Nemona was different. Not only was she already a meaningful character right from the start, she was also very willing to go through the whole journey again not because she had to but because of you. To fight you on an even level, to help you grow. Finally a rival didn't feel like they were depending on my growth entirely. Finally a rival achieves something that's not traced back to me.
I called Volo being the bad guy as soon as i first battled him 5 minutes in.. That smirk he gave me just gave me the vibes. Did not think he wanted to kill me though with giratina..🤯
Wallace being Champion in Emerald surprised many people. I'm guessing that many people had no idea that Game Freak actually wanted Wallace to become Hoenn League Champion, not Steven. If you think about it, it makes sense. Many of Wallace's Pokémon are super effective against most of Steven's Pokémon.
If we take USUM by itself, without the context of SM, the Necrozma being an antagonist wasn't a plot twist. Game was pretty blunt with the Necrozma situation most of the way through.
Ultra Necrozma was still a great plot twist
Edit: The marketing was at least somewhat blunt with Necrozma being the antagonist as well
Actually Bede becoming the next fire gym leader in training caught me and pretty much everyone else I knew who played the game by surprise. Bede seemed like your call back to old jerk archetype rivals only for him to be met with a job offer and after how he’d been up until that point it was genuinely surprising that he took up the offer
I think another good twist worth mentioning is definitely Deoxys's appearance in Delta Episode. Sure, a lot of people have speculated about it, but you still wouldn't be able to contain the joy when you actually get into a battle with the wild Deoxys.
Volo getting a remix of cynthia's theme
HOLY SHI GET ME OUT OF HERE
For me the gen 7 surprise was that you fought different people in rematches of the championship match
I think Giovanni Silver, Cynthia, N Volo and The Professor of Paldia are the best plot Twists in Pokemon.
The fact that the Haunter trade in Scarlet and Violet wasn’t a scam is in itself a big plot twist because we were all expecting Blossom to scam us like Mindy did in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Brilliant Diamond, and Shining Pearl. Another thing I think probably shocked a lot of people is the fact that Arceus isn’t shiny locked in BDSP.