Nope im still gonna get the denon 3800 because of andrew robinsons review and the fact its got 4 independant sub channels..........stop wearing womens makeup and learn how to be original. I came here thinking you had somethint of substance. Nope just a bunch of nothing i already knew from reading other peoples reviews.
Well this thing got cheaper pretty damn fast, here in the Netherlands it's gone from 1500 to 870 in a year 🤯 I think that makes it one if the best valued receivers, seriously considering the x3800h Though I'd need to install cooling fans in my tv furniture
If you listen to Audio Science Reviews, you would not be buying any AV Receivers, according to his results no AV Receivers are measuring good. Arcam, Denon, Marantz not recommended I think it's best to go by your ears compared to measurements Most people enjoy the sound of Arcam AV Receivers even though ASR says they get bad results in his testings
What is the point of just reading out what Andrew Robinson says. You might just was well go to Andrew's review of the X3800H and listen to some actual expert advice from the guy himself.
My x3600h from Crutchfield, “open box” deal (literally someone opened the tape & nothing more) for $800 back in 2020 has been nothing short of impressive with my mid level 7.2.4 atmos system. Add in the expanded $20 audyssey control app & its even better than before. There’s still sooo much versatility I haven’t even scratched into yet.
Forget those other reviews. I can't recommend any other receiver brand or Sound United receiver lower than the Denon X3xxx series or equivalent Marantz. The reassign-able front L R pre outs make these unbeatable for using as pre-pro's for 2 channel stereo. I am streaming HD from a PC to a Topping E50 DAC then into a Denon X3700H then pre-out to a Anthem MCA 225 v2 amp with 225x2 watts continuous power. You won't get this kind of performance out of any other standalone receiver.
All this talk about sound differences is nonsense. How are you really gonna compare the sound of two Receivers when it takes at least 5 minutes to swap them over? Then confirmation bias sets in, because you read a few times on the interwebs that Yamaha has a more neutral sound, you're gonna say to yourself "hmmmm, yeah, this IS a little more neutral and less hyped than the Denon!" And of course reviewers are gonna want to sound authoritative and justify themselves so feel like they need to say something about the sound, instead of "well yeah, it sounds ok, so did the other one, i have no idea!"
Anyone got some idea about , best ''cinema'' AV receiver under 2000 pounds , I am considering Denon AVR-X6700H or maybe MARANTZ Cinema 40 , what do you think about any good competitor , guys ?
So the youtubers reviewing the Denon receiver probably have bright-sounding speakers and are blaming the "brightness" onto the receiver. Keep in mind that those youtubers also "hear" from the gear they "review", whatever the most generous manufacturers incentivize them to hear! $$$ 🤑 Those youtubers also believe they can hear sound variations caused by changes in atmospheric temperature/pressure, as low as 0.5 degrees C/F and 0.01 millibar - 0.00001 bar!🤨
i agree with you...but unfortunately can't please everyone - all i do is report the news to help inform people :) ultimately it's up to them if they choose to buy this
I can hear the difference between the 3800 and the 4500. I have both in my room. The 3800 is fatiguing. You can get it to distort at about 90 dB. Robinson is correct. The 3800 has a bunch of handshake issues. It's very clinical sounding. In music, the voices are way off. They put a dialog enhancer in the 3800 and it changes the eq. I jumped at this Denon but the 4500 sounds so much more natural and non fatiguing to me. The Audyssey settings are the same. I only correct first reflections ..I have kef towers and surrounds.
the Denon X3800H. is priced at $1675 without DIRAC LIVE. if you want "partial DIRAC LIVE" if you want basic DIRAC LIVE it will cost $250, and if want the full version? then you'd pay $365. Has Denon lost their mind? so the FALSE price of Denon is NOT $1675. it's more like $2000
@@JadeB628 It’s not a firmware update your buying. The firmware update is free that allows the ability to purchase a feature. What your buying is a license for Dirac Live. You don’t have to buy it. It’s not in anyway required. The receiver already has Audyssey. Dirac Live will be a new optional upgrade for those that want it.
@@JonMoralesLA you can call it anything you like. It's still software that should have been preinstalled. you get it the same way as a firmware update with a license.
Keep in mind that when this comes out, the 3800h will be quite a unique receiver with all its feature set. Good luck finding a pre-pro with Auro 3D and Dirac Live for less than $2000. Even if you pay for the Dirac Live update and use the 3800h as simply a prepro…you will have the most fully featured pre-pro out there basically for less than $2k.
With a price drop to €925 here in the EU this is a good receiver. Maybe it measures a little bit lower then the first generation of the x3700h (AKM) but is almost the same as the second generation 3700h. But there is a Dirac possibility and that's a big advantage. The competition isn't doing it better in the same price range. And also, some of the "reviewers" mentioned in this video don't know anything about audio and are getting payed to promote stuff. Andrew i.e. also sayed Jamo S807 sounded great...well look at the measurements of that speaker (Erin's Audio Corner) they are terrible. 😂 And to what are they comparing? Subjective! I had the Denon X2700h and own a X3800H. They sound the same. 😂
Well I'm returning an Onkyo TX-NR6100 because it developed flickering and waviness on the video output for the onboard OSD once it warms up (even with the fan off). Actual HDMI sources play flawlessly, but I am always tweaking things in the OSD overlay. I was looking at the X1700H or X2800H. What is there out there that just works in the ~$700 range? Marantz seems nice, but are so horribly expensive it seems ridiculous. They've also had their share of reported problems from what I've heard.
I have had the 3800x for about 2 weeks. Haven't had any HDMI issues. It sounds better than my Sony 2100es I upgraded. All the avr's around $2000 seem to have HDMI issues and just buggy software 🤷🏻♂️
There are so many subjective variables that come into play here. Room size, room finishing such as floors, walls , ceilings, furniture etc. Then you have speakers and their placement. Last and certainly not least, human ears are totally different from one person to the next. We live in the glory days now, where all big name players are offering features and technology that was a pipe dream just a few years ago. I recently took delivery of a Marantz SR6015, and is in my opinion, is an amazing product that delivers exactly what I was looking for when listening to two channel for all genres of music. It replaced a twenty year old Pioneer AVR that lost its left A Channel. And I haven't even upgraded the speakers yet. Just using twenty year old RCA three way floor speakers with 12 inch woofers, which are by no means, even slightly audiophile quality. But yet the Marantz has totally transformed them. I can only imagine what will happen when the new real speakers arrive.
Just picked one up today, I haven't set it up yet. Looking to upgrade my Marantz SR5014 for more channels and XT32. I'm a little disgusted at the outrageous price of the Cinema 50, for virtually the same features. If this matches my satisfaction with my Marantz I'll keep it, if not it looks like it makes a bit more sense to spend the money on a SR7015 or 6015....I don't know.....I'll find out tomorrow.
Everything I've been reading is that hdmi 2.1 is much pickier on cables and many issues are simply due to the cables. Buying high end cables seems like a must. Even some 8k cables are marginal I guess.
Over the years, I have learned that you always have to match the proper AVR/Pre/Pro to your speakers. If speakers are bright and foward sounding than match with warmer sounding AVR/Pre/Pro But if speakers are laid back than match with bright sounding AVR/Pre/Pro. It is important to listen AVR/Pre/Pro by pairing with your own speakers. Hence there is no such thing is best brand of speakers or best brand of AVR/Pre/Pro. You have to pair them, match them according to your listening taste. Room, placement and calibration will make a huge impact on the quality of sound.
the original price of the denon was about 1500 actually - and you could always find yourself a used or open box NAD for 1500 basically - you're a bloody plonker
@@propercushty Better check your comments more and do a cut/paste, theres a lot of us ‘bloody plonkers’ out there who are obviously clueless and thought exactly the same thing. It was dumb content. We only watched because we thought the headphones were a joke!😂
Audio science review recently measured the Denon x6700 and it measured better than the comparable Marantz. Also, I really hate that Marantz porthole on the front. Impossible to read. 6700 sells for $1499 in the U.S. insane bargain.
Forget Andrew and the other receivers. The reason to buy the Denon Is for the pre out to a 2 channel amp and let the internal amp run your other speakers. In this configuration the signal is clean and powerful for 2 channel audio with a dedicated mid to high end amp. I'm streaming
Im a bit confused, is this your review or are you just telling us what a different review has said...why would I just not watch Andrews review instead?
I bought the Denon X3800H, and I'm totally happy with this product. The Marantz Cinema 50 is almost twice the price. Most AVR receivers today (as of this writing, Dec. 2022) do not ship with DIRAC (only the Onkyo TX-RZ830 does). For the money, for most average home users, the Denon X3800H is all they would need and want. I contacted Denon with a technical question, and they responded immediately; which speaks highly for their customer support.
in the UK, Marantz Cinema 50 is £1699. Denon X3800h is £1499 - alot closer in price here. By the way, doesn't the Pioneer Lx505 ship with Dirac support? And the Onkyo RZ50? NAD T778 offers Dirac support but not sure if you have to pay extra for it. Also, I think Arcam AV receivers might come with Dirac but you might have to pay too. Yeah I think X3800h is a good sweet spot for most people - however, the change in DAC performance could be an issue for some people
@@propercushty The Marantz Cinema 60 is a 7.2 channel AVR with only two sub outputs, whereas the Denon X3800H is a 9.2 AVR with 4 subwoofer outputs. No comparison. To get a 9.2 channel AVR from Marantz, you have to jump up to the Cinema 50 series which is almost double the cost of the Denon. Just like Apple products, Marantz is overpriced. You're just paying for the brand.
That's simply impossible. With a recent discounts, Cinema 50 can be bought at some 100-150 USD more than the x3800h. Even without discounts, a doubt the "twice the price" argument.
@@PetrKrenzelok You are confusing the Marantz Cinema 50 with the much less expensive Marantz Cinema 60. The Cinema 50 is the power-equivalent of the Denon X3800H, and as of this writing costs $2,500 on Amazon, nearly DOUBLE the cost of the Denon. The Cinema 60, on the other hand, does cost around the same as the Denon X3800H, but it is a 7.2 channel AVR, whereas the Denon is a 9.2. The Denon has 4 sub outputs, whereas the Cinema 60 only has two. For the money, the Denon is a vastly better product. Marantz, like Apple, is overpriced and you're paying for a brand-name only.
@@erikdolnack2737 No, I am not confusing just anything. I can get Cinema 50 cheaper than for 2500 USD here. As I sadi - 100-200 USD difference to x3800h.
For 5.1 - just go manual and tune your system via ye olde trial and error system. Setting up a X3800H tomorrow, and will do it manually and not have to deal with correcting all the incorrect settings that I'm sure I would get from Audyssey. {note: it's weird shaped room, 'central' listening position isn't in the center, etc.}
SIR I am using now X3800h but i m not satisfied with this audio output i am upgrade another AVR my list is Denon x6800h , A1h or Marantz C40 or AV10 please suggest me which is better value for money or future packed for me my current setup is 5.4.2
The audio output? Do you have a dedicated cinema and listen to reference level? Buy an amp if you want more output ( emotiva basx) buy a new avr if you want more features. The 3800 is an excellent avr .
maybe look into cinema 50 if you like marantz. honestly you know what you need so youre the best one to find it. you should consider how many subs, pre outs, etc. etc. i have a pioneer vsx-lx305 and im super happy w it. i run 2 um 18's and a crown amp off of it. love the sound of it and the included dirac is pretty awesome for sure. with that being said it simply depends on your needs. i wish you luck though and hope you find something that makes you happy.
I was considering the X3800H or RZ50 but instead went with the Pioneer Elite VSX LX-305, which is a bit less powerful and lacks pre-outs, but is a few hundred less and has Dirac Live. After 2 months with the LX-305 I absolutely hate it and am now boxing it up for return. It sounds very good and video processing is superb, but it is plagued by massive HDMI handshake issues and even switches itself off at times (not a heat issue). It took me several tries to make Dirac work, getting multiple volume level errors, but MCACC is still onboard and works like a dream. I was concerned the X3800H and other all-HDMI 2.1 AVRs might have similar problems so I ordered a new 2020 Denon X4700H for $200 less than the 2022 model X3800H. (The X4800H is $1,000 more and was never on my list.) The new Denon just arrived and I have yet to unbox it, but I’m hoping it will be the solution to my problem. Wish me luck!
@@abdulrahmanal-otaibi413 It’s only been a few days and I’m still getting used to the Denon. I instinctively knew how to use the Pioneer because it was very similar to my old unit. This seems less intuitive. The Denon X4700H operates very smoothly without all the glitches of the LX-305. TBH I prefer the surround processing of the Pioneer for movies so far, but I think the X4700H is more set up for music like its Marantz cousins. Maybe I just haven’t set it up right. Sound quality over my Polk Tsi300s is superb. Absolutely no complaints on sound clarity and fidelity. The remote is a little complicated but was easily programmed to control all my devices, but since I set that up I now have to turn each component on individually. Not sure how I broke that. Today I’m setting up a Harmony remote. Only complaint so far is I was playing loud music yesterday and it was putting out quite a lot of heat. Neither my old Pioneer Elite nor the LX-305 ever got that hot.
@@PNWShawn Do you use a TV eARC? Because - as for me, I barely touch Denon remote, as I am able to set volume by just Samsung QLED TV remote. When I turn on/off the TV, it turns on/off the AVR.
@@PetrKrenzelok I am using ARC. My LG OLED has the bandwidth capability of eARC, but it is only certified as ARC capable. I did get the volume and off functions to work with the LG remote, but that was about all. The super slow response time and random input switching were annoying. I returned the Pioneer Elite and instead bought a new 2020 model Denon X4700H. Denon just dropped $600 off the $2,200 retail price (the newer model X4800H is $2,500) and I got it for $1,500 - just $100 more than the LX-305 I returned. The Denon still had a few minor issues like switching to Roku shortly after powering on. I’m not sure why the Roku was sending a signal to initiate the switch, but it’s better now that I am using a Harmony remote. I still am impressed with the LX-305’s sound and picture.
@@PNWShawn I think the 4700h at $1500 was clearly a good deal and I enjoyed it for the week I had it once I figured out how to get Audyssey to give me a decent result. I returned it though because the Denon 3800h I think is the better buy. It’s $1600 at Best Buy right now and has support for 4 individual subwoofers (managed separately), this will save some people having to buy a $200 DAC to deal with subs. You can also configure one subwoofer out to run a bass kicker (one of those rumble attachments you can put under a couch to really feel vibrations). It has 5 full HDMI 2.1 HDCP 2.3 ports where the 4700 only has one. It has the new updated Denon UI interface, the 4700 is still using the older interface. The 3800 will also have the paid Dirac Live upgrade available in March 2023…the 4700 isn’t getting that ability. The amps are slightly less power out than the 4700 but really both of these receivers are begging for external amplification anyway given the flexibility of all the pre-outs. The 4700h I think just shot back up to $2200 at which price it absolutely is a pass. But at $1500 it was a great price. Just not better than the $1600 3800h it seems. I just got the 3800 h today from Best Buy but may not have time to set it up for days still.
Bought a brand new denon at a yard sale for 5 bucks because they are so hard to figure out. And the owner was sad because he's been doing the receiver thing for 40 years and couldn't even figure it out. And this is the 3rd one this year I've gotten from thrift stores and so on. What happened to denon I don't know. But it's truly sad
Hello. Thanks for pointing this out, and yes, I am very aware of this. His reasoning is because his website/channel are all about the science (hence his company's name), so he doesn't want his personal/human views to skew what the data is saying. At the end of some reviews, he does give his own subjective listening experience though (however, with speakers I believe he listens to them in mono rather than stereo, which is slightly controversial in itself). In practice, Amir's work makes a difference to my life - most of the highest rated gear does sound better than the lower rated gear on the SINAD scale (to my ears anyway). However, I find there comes a point where you get diminishing returns (once you reach the high end stuff), and that's where Amir's reviews start to lose meaning. Overall, I think his data are more meaningful than subjective reviews could ever be, albeit still not a complete picture! Have a good day!
Human ears are NOT a reliable way of measuring audio quality. In fact hey're the worst because of confirmation bias. That's why you end up with "audiophiles" swearing that their 3000$ Dacs sound "best" while scienctific blind tests have proved that human ears can't distingush a good 9$ dac from anything else. Scientific measurements are THE way to go. Never trust your ears. Trust science.
@@hypnoz7871 Yawn. You sound like Brandon "Trust the science". Amir and his lemmings on his forum are now encouraging his members to send him gear to further critique and beat up on. There is a threshold of good measurement that should then allow the qualitative assessment to be performed and should be equally evaluated with the test bench measurements.
It’s not hard to make something that measures ace and sounds like a turd. There are plenty of sub 100$ Dacs that prove this, cheap headphone amps too. I’ll take my poor measuring tube amp anyday, those HDAM modules in the marantz measure for shit too.
@@mikeweatherford5312 praying 🙏 to the altar of this dumb dumb with his $20k 🎤 microphone and plotting software is so dumb. And his forum members are even more low intelligence for cheering him on when he personally goes after manufactures.
I like Marantz overall but they changed their aesthetics and I now just can't buy Marantz or anything Quad (for hi-fi) based on their new ugliness. Been using a Yamaha Aventage A/v receiver and Dali speaker combination for years, very happy. If it ain't broken I'm not fixing it! Oh man I detest ASR, measure with your ears! If you like the sound overall then who really cares about measurements. I recall some guy liking some bit of equipment, said he liked the sound...ASR member told him he didn't know how to listen 😂😂. ASR are for those on the 5th percentile of the anal spectrum. Yay to you liking Yamaha too!
Hey man, long time no speak! I am 70% agreeing with you regarding ASR - I can't take the results there 100% seriously. However.... I have noticed that the SINAD measurements do have some value and it does correlate (to some degree) with what kind of audio I'm 'in to'. After a certain value (around 100db SINAD), I don't think it really matters to the ears and other sonic characteristics become even more important. I am still rocking the Yamaha AV receiver - I'm starting to fancy a change though...😂 (you know how it is). Don't think I'll be moving to D&M receivers, but am considering an Arcam .. possibly... You have any experience with Arcam AVRs?
@@propercushty likewise my man. Long time no jibber jabber :). Only 70%? The dark side still has a grip then 😂😂. I agree that there is a place for measurements but ultimately (I think) it comes down to what you want to hear and how close your equipment is to that. Best measurements in the world ain't going to account for synergy and your room! Oh wait, according to ASR I'm a partaker in the 'ole snake oil cause all cables are created equal according to physics. I'm gonna live in blind ignorance and enjoy my films/music just as they are, poor 'ole fool me cause they sound good to my ears 😂 No experience of Arcam for A/v just Yamaha and Sony. Denon and Marantz only in small budget systems mainly for the tuners. Good for what they are and what I need them for. The Marantz packed up for tuning after a few years, my Denon M40 still going stong in the kitchen though. Do a beginners guide to Sinad, though. That would be good!
Right, so I listened to Andrew and bought this AV. The home theater performance is outstanding and a perfect upgrade from my SR7009. But for music it really churns it out badly and has some horrible presets to further the embarrassment. It was quite ghastly actually but I knew that going in. Luckily I love 2 channel pure direct and my Eversolo plugged into the analog CD input punching out some exquisite music which the Denon handled sublimely. It even provides a little extra bass so you don’t miss a sub. Totally happy with this purchase.
It is interesting that its price is falling, now it is already 899 euros. Maybe there's something to it and that's the reason for the price drop, all the cons? Also Marantz 50 price is interesting, 1350 eur at the moment.
Denon 3800h are one of the best for movies and one of the worst for stereo music. Also red that the 3800h have better dac and chips then the 4800h and lower noise levels
@@tomekbeling922 perhaps the NAD can only win against a 3 times cheaper device and that's why he did not test it against a Denon of same price range? His negligent answer suggests so.
I thought Star Trek come on the tv when this stumbled on my screen stood between 2 toasters I was waiting for the misterons coming or spock to come on lol
i mean the marantz cinema 60 should suffice but depends on what speaker setup you got going on too. If i thought I wasn't going to use all the features of both amps I would probably lean toward the Marantz
@@propercushty Thanks, I actually had both system to test and although the Marantz has less features the sound quality is superior. I kept the Cinema60.
Denon is awesome for movies and music equally. The new range is flawless. I have tested it on a variety of speakers and they sound great on neutral sounding speakers the best. Don't get speakers that add their own sparkle. Denon all the way.
I need a preamp for my 2 Klipsch Reference RP-8000F II to get 7.1.4 . Any suggestions ? I found the Yamaha A-S301 but I was thinking about something that is smaller cause having the x3800h and the A-S301 is kind of bad space wise . I was thinking something smaller and not as expensive .
Don't know whether you found a solution 6 months later, but first things first, the AS301 is an integrated amplifier, not a preamp. That's not what you need and you also don't need a preamp to power the two 800Fs, which you most probably use as front left and front right. What you need is a power amp (since you already have the 3800h, that is). Since you're on a budget, you should look at pro audio power amps. A Crown XLS or a QSC.
I feel Denon has lost its way I have a class D Pioneer SCLX901 receiver, superb but when it gives up the ghost I would probably get a Marants Cinema series or perhaps a Yamaha. A shame as I do like Denon as a brand.
yeah i feel the same - in terms of adding features and making the experience easier, they're doing well. But in terms of honouring their hi-fi audio roots, I'm not so sure
I just bought this denon and I’m having issues with hdr not going through to my tv it has worked a few times but 99% of the time it doesn’t I’m thinking about returning it and buying a onkyo
I was also thinking about it but a week back I got Yamaha A6 it also heats where power amp is there though its not in cabinet but fully open. Dealer said all 4k AVRs will heat.I am going to put a sucker fan to cool.
Hello thanks for sharing. Yeah they are more prone to getting hot the more amps they cram in there and the more features they have - does your Yamaha a6's internal fan engage though?
Missed out on getting a 3700H for 800, ended up getting a several years old Yamaha a2060 and couldn't be happier. Run an AC Infinity fan to keep things cool and make it last. I had my Denon 3801 for 18 years (yes I know) so definitely looking to make this last.
Any time. Depends..what's your budget? Anthem receivers are looking pretty good right now. I am going to cover more of these receivers in future videos!
Returning the Denon 6500 for an arcam avr20 is probably one of the best upgradeable decisions I've made to date. In my experience even though the £2,000 Denon was pretty good at multi-channel audio, whenever the soundstage went from an actor's whisper to breaking out with loud noise effects, I still found myself having to reach for the remote control again. IMO whether it's the 6500, 3800 or whatever, Denon AVRs dynamic range is a little lacking and as far as two channel stereo is concerned, well let's just say I don't think one is gonna be impressed! And to think right now coz the arcam avr21's has just recently been released one can now purchase an arcam avr20 for 30% off at £2,000 😯... it has an toroid amplifier, audiophile grade DAC (9026 pro sabre) plus an toroidal transformer which btw are unusual for AVRs nowadays and let's not forget it also has a dirac calibration already implemented! If one cares about sound quality it's a no-brainer. (If you're gonna do it... do it right) No need to mention this is a good video (they always are!) but what I will mention... you're looking damn right healthy bro. I guess living abroad is doing it for you.
Hello mate how you doin? Long time no speak. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the Arcam AVR20. I had suspicions this would be a better performer than many of these mainstream amps. The inclusion of the ESS Sabre DAC has been quite tempting to me for some while. Have you experienced any bugs/faults or glitches in the software or setup etc? I'm considering 'upgrading' some time soon...other than Arcam, also looking at Anthem. Thanks for the kind words my friend. I've lost just over 30lbs now. Doing well indeed! Feeling great! Take care buddy
The big issue for me is finding a 9.2 receiver that will let me add Dolby height speakers to my front speakers. The other recommended 9.2 receivers are significantly more expensive. I wonder if another shortlist reason could be moving from 7.2 to 9.2. The Marantz Cinema 50 is way beyond my budget.
I dont understand, how to add height speakers to your front speakers? You talk about those upfiring speakers? From what i know you can add those with any Denon receiver. The X3800H have a lot of assignable amps!
Just picked one up today, I haven't set it up yet. Looking to upgrade my Marantz SR5014 for more channels and XT32. I'm a little disgusted at the outrageous price of the Cinema 50 too, for virtually the same features. If this matches my satisfaction with my Marantz I'll keep it, if not it looks like it makes a bit more sense to spend the money on a SR7015 or 6015....I don't know.....I'll find out tomorrow.
@Aexoero V Compared to the Marantz it "maybe" might sound cooler a bit more high end and I certainly have to pump up sub level but I also needed to do this with my marantz...I think after weeks of tinkering and just generally acclimating to it, it will sound just the same. I think the biggest difference in sound is really the xt32 and ability to choose top rear over top middle as I currently have my heights directly over seating. Auro 2D does make stereo music sound amazing. So in general to my ears it has pretty much the same sound quality as my less feature full marantz. I think I will probably be returning it for the Cinema 50....just because I'm dumb and they will probably be close to identical but I can get it for $2000 so at this point why not spend a little more for something I definitely won't regret...my logic is that it can't sound worse and I still have a Marantz....yes I know, stupid but whatever.
I am seeing more positive reviews than negative on x3800. Which Forums are you referring to which has more negative feedback? I am deciding between x3800, x4800, Cinema 50 or the new Onkyo rx70
could be good, could be bad...in this video i'm just reporting the news about what i had seen and read... i did this video months ago so can't remember the exact form - type the quotes from the video in google word for word and you should be able to track it down
Denons overheating is a common thread on the denon owners forum. I haven't had this but my friend's one trips and turns off daily, even after servicing. I'm probably going for an Arcam or Anthem next
i have a 2600h for a 5.1.2 setup and although it always feels warm it has ben in its little cuby hole and used daily since 2017. and dureing lockdowns it got hammered. still works brilliantly with my optoma uhd51 projector. only negative is i hate yes hate i cant justy send or use my own music player on a android phone, i have to go through heor which is very restrictive. menu sucks too. I am considering a x3800h because i want a 7.1.4 experience in my other room to go with a 83 inch oled a90j that cost me 2k uk pounds. i have had a great experience with Denon and yep they look a bit old in design now but at least my experience has been very positive.
Ordered an x3800h on sale from Amazon to try. Also ordered a fan device for the top that responds to the heat. It will be in a fairly open shelf, not a cabinet. Going to test drive without the fans to see how warm it gets. Fingers crossed.
@@mikeweatherford5312 The bundled mic only works with Audyssey. The Dirac software only runs on a Windows or mac OS computer so you would use a USB microphone with that.
@@ronalcasid3844 I know it may not seem intuitive, but no. You can use the bundled microphone for Dirac. You hook it up to the receiver and when you launch Dirac software it will "See" the AVR and microphone as a valid source. Of course a UMIK-1 will be superior, but it is not needed. There are several youtube video's that illustrate the process of Dirac calibration with the provided mic. It's like a proxy mic, the software runs the measurement on the AVR over the network and the avr sends data back to PC.
So tell me - will you be shortlisting the Denon x3800h this year?
What other AV receivers will you be considering?
YAMAHA RX-A6
If you were considering the x3800 why not the A6A? Just asking...
Excellent review. I'm subscribing to your channel.
I stepped backwards and purchased the 3700.
Again, Great job!
Nope im still gonna get the denon 3800 because of andrew robinsons review and the fact its got 4 independant sub channels..........stop wearing womens makeup and learn how to be original. I came here thinking you had somethint of substance. Nope just a bunch of nothing i already knew from reading other peoples reviews.
Well this thing got cheaper pretty damn fast, here in the Netherlands it's gone from 1500 to 870 in a year 🤯 I think that makes it one if the best valued receivers, seriously considering the x3800h
Though I'd need to install cooling fans in my tv furniture
Why do you have a pair of plastic books strapped to your head?.
Someone else was using the lampshade. 😄
What in earth have you got over your ears 😮😮🙄🤣
You are clueless. Yes!
If you listen to Audio Science Reviews, you would not be buying any AV Receivers, according to his results no AV Receivers are measuring good.
Arcam, Denon, Marantz not recommended
I think it's best to go by your ears compared to measurements
Most people enjoy the sound of Arcam AV Receivers even though ASR says they get bad results in his testings
I'm so distracted by the waffle maker on his head.
What is the point of just reading out what Andrew Robinson says. You might just was well go to Andrew's review of the X3800H and listen to some actual expert advice from the guy himself.
My x3600h from Crutchfield, “open box” deal (literally someone opened the tape & nothing more) for $800 back in 2020 has been nothing short of impressive with my mid level 7.2.4 atmos system. Add in the expanded $20 audyssey control app & its even better than before. There’s still sooo much versatility I haven’t even scratched into yet.
I have a 3700 and love it
still rocking my x3600h.
Forget those other reviews. I can't recommend any other receiver brand or Sound United receiver lower than the Denon X3xxx series or equivalent Marantz. The reassign-able front L R pre outs make these unbeatable for using as pre-pro's for 2 channel stereo. I am streaming HD from a PC to a Topping E50 DAC then into a Denon X3700H then pre-out to a Anthem MCA 225 v2 amp with 225x2 watts continuous power. You won't get this kind of performance out of any other standalone receiver.
What is the point of this video ?
Hard to find any...
All this talk about sound differences is nonsense. How are you really gonna compare the sound of two Receivers when it takes at least 5 minutes to swap them over? Then confirmation bias sets in, because you read a few times on the interwebs that Yamaha has a more neutral sound, you're gonna say to yourself "hmmmm, yeah, this IS a little more neutral and less hyped than the Denon!" And of course reviewers are gonna want to sound authoritative and justify themselves so feel like they need to say something about the sound, instead of "well yeah, it sounds ok, so did the other one, i have no idea!"
Anyone got some idea about , best ''cinema'' AV receiver under 2000 pounds , I am considering Denon AVR-X6700H or maybe MARANTZ Cinema 40 ,
what do you think about any good competitor , guys ?
So the youtubers reviewing the Denon receiver probably have bright-sounding speakers and are blaming the "brightness" onto the receiver. Keep in mind that those youtubers also "hear" from the gear they "review", whatever the most generous manufacturers incentivize them to hear! $$$ 🤑 Those youtubers also believe they can hear sound variations caused by changes in atmospheric temperature/pressure, as low as 0.5 degrees C/F and 0.01 millibar - 0.00001 bar!🤨
i agree with you...but unfortunately can't please everyone - all i do is report the news to help inform people :)
ultimately it's up to them if they choose to buy this
I can hear the difference between the 3800 and the 4500. I have both in my room. The 3800 is fatiguing. You can get it to distort at about 90 dB. Robinson is correct. The 3800 has a bunch of handshake issues. It's very clinical sounding. In music, the voices are way off. They put a dialog enhancer in the 3800 and it changes the eq. I jumped at this Denon but the 4500 sounds so much more natural and non fatiguing to me. The Audyssey settings are the same. I only correct first reflections ..I have kef towers and surrounds.
the Denon X3800H. is priced at $1675 without DIRAC LIVE. if you want "partial DIRAC LIVE" if you want basic DIRAC LIVE it will cost $250, and if want the full version? then you'd pay $365. Has Denon lost their mind? so the FALSE price of Denon is NOT $1675. it's more like $2000
You don’t have to buy or use Dirac. It comes with Audyssey.
@@JonMoralesLA why would any reputable company sell a firmware update for $365? they've got to be kidding. Denon made a colossal mistake.
@@JadeB628 It’s not a firmware update your buying. The firmware update is free that allows the ability to purchase a feature. What your buying is a license for Dirac Live.
You don’t have to buy it. It’s not in anyway required. The receiver already has Audyssey. Dirac Live will be a new optional upgrade for those that want it.
@@JonMoralesLA you can call it anything you like. It's still software that should have been preinstalled. you get it the same way as a firmware update with a license.
Keep in mind that when this comes out, the 3800h will be quite a unique receiver with all its feature set. Good luck finding a pre-pro with Auro 3D and Dirac Live for less than $2000. Even if you pay for the Dirac Live update and use the 3800h as simply a prepro…you will have the most fully featured pre-pro out there basically for less than $2k.
Overall everyone is different and has different likes and dislikes about anything 🙄
With a price drop to €925 here in the EU this is a good receiver. Maybe it measures a little bit lower then the first generation of the x3700h (AKM) but is almost the same as the second generation 3700h. But there is a Dirac possibility and that's a big advantage.
The competition isn't doing it better in the same price range.
And also, some of the "reviewers" mentioned in this video don't know anything about audio and are getting payed to promote stuff. Andrew i.e. also sayed Jamo S807 sounded great...well look at the measurements of that speaker (Erin's Audio Corner) they are terrible. 😂
And to what are they comparing? Subjective!
I had the Denon X2700h and own a X3800H. They sound the same. 😂
Ive got 3 denon x6700 and they are beasts...never given me a problem
Well I'm returning an Onkyo TX-NR6100 because it developed flickering and waviness on the video output for the onboard OSD once it warms up (even with the fan off). Actual HDMI sources play flawlessly, but I am always tweaking things in the OSD overlay. I was looking at the X1700H or X2800H. What is there out there that just works in the ~$700 range? Marantz seems nice, but are so horribly expensive it seems ridiculous. They've also had their share of reported problems from what I've heard.
Love my Denon X3800H! Got it for $999 last month!
Nice peace of kit a good AVR plus a 6 year guarantee. : )
Is it a bright receiver?
You may need some help getting that waffle iron off of your head…
You are repeating, and not explaining what you've said. Quite disappointing.
I have had the 3800x for about 2 weeks. Haven't had any HDMI issues. It sounds better than my Sony 2100es I upgraded. All the avr's around $2000 seem to have HDMI issues and just buggy software 🤷🏻♂️
hope everything stays good with your receiver my man
There are so many subjective variables that come into play here. Room size, room finishing such as floors, walls , ceilings, furniture etc.
Then you have speakers and their placement. Last and certainly not least, human ears are totally different from one person to the next.
We live in the glory days now, where all big name players are offering features and technology that was a pipe dream just a few years ago.
I recently took delivery of a Marantz SR6015, and is in my opinion, is an amazing product that delivers exactly what I was looking for when listening to two channel for all genres of music. It replaced a twenty year old Pioneer AVR that lost its left A Channel.
And I haven't even upgraded the speakers yet. Just using twenty year old RCA three way floor speakers with 12 inch woofers, which are by no means, even slightly audiophile quality. But yet the Marantz has totally transformed them. I can only imagine what will happen when the new real speakers arrive.
Why not just review it yourself instead of telling us what everyone else said?
Just picked one up today, I haven't set it up yet. Looking to upgrade my Marantz SR5014 for more channels and XT32. I'm a little disgusted at the outrageous price of the Cinema 50, for virtually the same features. If this matches my satisfaction with my Marantz I'll keep it, if not it looks like it makes a bit more sense to spend the money on a SR7015 or 6015....I don't know.....I'll find out tomorrow.
Hello!
Everything I've been reading is that hdmi 2.1 is much pickier on cables and many issues are simply due to the cables. Buying high end cables seems like a must. Even some 8k cables are marginal I guess.
they definitely are and they're a right pain in the jacksie
Over the years, I have learned that you always have to match the proper AVR/Pre/Pro to your speakers. If speakers are bright and foward sounding than match with warmer sounding AVR/Pre/Pro
But if speakers are laid back than match with bright sounding AVR/Pre/Pro. It is important to listen AVR/Pre/Pro by pairing with your own speakers. Hence there is no such thing is best brand of speakers or best brand of AVR/Pre/Pro. You have to pair them, match them according to your listening taste. Room, placement and calibration will make a huge impact on the quality of sound.
if your avr sounds warm it is broken
What the fark have you got on your head man!
I just bought my 3700 for 550 euros
Offering the NAD as an alternative to the Denon 3800 that costs £899 when the NAD is £2899 shows how dumb this review was.
the original price of the denon was about 1500 actually - and you could always find yourself a used or open box NAD for 1500
basically - you're a bloody plonker
@@propercushty Better check your comments more and do a cut/paste, theres a lot of us ‘bloody plonkers’ out there who are obviously clueless and thought exactly the same thing. It was dumb content. We only watched because we thought the headphones were a joke!😂
So you have made video about what AndrewuRobinson has said!
Very interesting, so i go too see what Andrew have to say!
that headset actually look like a pair of waffles xD
Feelings reviews 😂😂🎉😂
is that a toaster on his head?
stop talking about Andrew, find someone else
Exactly. I don't trust his reviews for anything.
They treat him like he a god when he just likes laid back sounds
Audio science review recently measured the Denon x6700 and it measured better than the comparable Marantz. Also, I really hate that Marantz porthole on the front. Impossible to read. 6700 sells for $1499 in the U.S. insane bargain.
Why do you have air cleaners strapped to your head?
Forget Andrew and the other receivers. The reason to buy the Denon Is for the pre out to a 2 channel amp and let the internal amp run your other speakers. In this configuration the signal is clean and powerful for 2 channel audio with a dedicated mid to high end amp. I'm streaming
Read asr about the pre outs for the 3800. I am not sure what separates are going to get you unless you use an external Dax.
Im a bit confused, is this your review or are you just telling us what a different review has said...why would I just not watch Andrews review instead?
well ask yourself....did I just reference Andrew's review or was there more information there?
@@propercushty I’d say there was certainly no more then regurgitation which is a bit of a shock as never seen that before
I bought the Denon X3800H, and I'm totally happy with this product. The Marantz Cinema 50 is almost twice the price. Most AVR receivers today (as of this writing, Dec. 2022) do not ship with DIRAC (only the Onkyo TX-RZ830 does).
For the money, for most average home users, the Denon X3800H is all they would need and want. I contacted Denon with a technical question, and they responded immediately; which speaks highly for their customer support.
in the UK, Marantz Cinema 50 is £1699. Denon X3800h is £1499 - alot closer in price here.
By the way, doesn't the Pioneer Lx505 ship with Dirac support? And the Onkyo RZ50? NAD T778 offers Dirac support but not sure if you have to pay extra for it. Also, I think Arcam AV receivers might come with Dirac but you might have to pay too.
Yeah I think X3800h is a good sweet spot for most people - however, the change in DAC performance could be an issue for some people
@@propercushty The Marantz Cinema 60 is a 7.2 channel AVR with only two sub outputs, whereas the Denon X3800H is a 9.2 AVR with 4 subwoofer outputs. No comparison. To get a 9.2 channel AVR from Marantz, you have to jump up to the Cinema 50 series which is almost double the cost of the Denon. Just like Apple products, Marantz is overpriced. You're just paying for the brand.
That's simply impossible. With a recent discounts, Cinema 50 can be bought at some 100-150 USD more than the x3800h. Even without discounts, a doubt the "twice the price" argument.
@@PetrKrenzelok You are confusing the Marantz Cinema 50 with the much less expensive Marantz Cinema 60. The Cinema 50 is the power-equivalent of the Denon X3800H, and as of this writing costs $2,500 on Amazon, nearly DOUBLE the cost of the Denon. The Cinema 60, on the other hand, does cost around the same as the Denon X3800H, but it is a 7.2 channel AVR, whereas the Denon is a 9.2. The Denon has 4 sub outputs, whereas the Cinema 60 only has two. For the money, the Denon is a vastly better product. Marantz, like Apple, is overpriced and you're paying for a brand-name only.
@@erikdolnack2737 No, I am not confusing just anything. I can get Cinema 50 cheaper than for 2500 USD here. As I sadi - 100-200 USD difference to x3800h.
@propercushty is X3800Hs Audyssee XT32 measuring system worth it over XT from X2800H for running a 5.1 in a (very) difficult room ?
For 5.1 - just go manual and tune your system via ye olde trial and error system. Setting up a X3800H tomorrow, and will do it manually and not have to deal with correcting all the incorrect settings that I'm sure I would get from Audyssey. {note: it's weird shaped room, 'central' listening position isn't in the center, etc.}
What are those ridiculous bread toaster headphones ? 😅😂
SIR I am using now X3800h but i m not satisfied with this audio output i am upgrade another AVR my list is Denon x6800h , A1h or Marantz C40 or AV10 please suggest me which is better value for money or future packed for me my current setup is 5.4.2
The audio output? Do you have a dedicated cinema and listen to reference level? Buy an amp if you want more output ( emotiva basx) buy a new avr if you want more features. The 3800 is an excellent avr .
maybe look into cinema 50 if you like marantz. honestly you know what you need so youre the best one to find it. you should consider how many subs, pre outs, etc. etc. i have a pioneer vsx-lx305 and im super happy w it. i run 2 um 18's and a crown amp off of it. love the sound of it and the included dirac is pretty awesome for sure. with that being said it simply depends on your needs. i wish you luck though and hope you find something that makes you happy.
Get it professionally fitted !
I was considering the X3800H or RZ50 but instead went with the Pioneer Elite VSX LX-305, which is a bit less powerful and lacks pre-outs, but is a few hundred less and has Dirac Live. After 2 months with the LX-305 I absolutely hate it and am now boxing it up for return. It sounds very good and video processing is superb, but it is plagued by massive HDMI handshake issues and even switches itself off at times (not a heat issue). It took me several tries to make Dirac work, getting multiple volume level errors, but MCACC is still onboard and works like a dream. I was concerned the X3800H and other all-HDMI 2.1 AVRs might have similar problems so I ordered a new 2020 Denon X4700H for $200 less than the 2022 model X3800H. (The X4800H is $1,000 more and was never on my list.) The new Denon just arrived and I have yet to unbox it, but I’m hoping it will be the solution to my problem. Wish me luck!
Hey! tell us how’s things going on with you now?
@@abdulrahmanal-otaibi413 It’s only been a few days and I’m still getting used to the Denon. I instinctively knew how to use the Pioneer because it was very similar to my old unit. This seems less intuitive. The Denon X4700H operates very smoothly without all the glitches of the LX-305. TBH I prefer the surround processing of the Pioneer for movies so far, but I think the X4700H is more set up for music like its Marantz cousins. Maybe I just haven’t set it up right. Sound quality over my Polk Tsi300s is superb. Absolutely no complaints on sound clarity and fidelity. The remote is a little complicated but was easily programmed to control all my devices, but since I set that up I now have to turn each component on individually. Not sure how I broke that. Today I’m setting up a Harmony remote. Only complaint so far is I was playing loud music yesterday and it was putting out quite a lot of heat. Neither my old Pioneer Elite nor the LX-305 ever got that hot.
@@PNWShawn Do you use a TV eARC? Because - as for me, I barely touch Denon remote, as I am able to set volume by just Samsung QLED TV remote. When I turn on/off the TV, it turns on/off the AVR.
@@PetrKrenzelok I am using ARC. My LG OLED has the bandwidth capability of eARC, but it is only certified as ARC capable. I did get the volume and off functions to work with the LG remote, but that was about all. The super slow response time and random input switching were annoying. I returned the Pioneer Elite and instead bought a new 2020 model Denon X4700H. Denon just dropped $600 off the $2,200 retail price (the newer model X4800H is $2,500) and I got it for $1,500 - just $100 more than the LX-305 I returned. The Denon still had a few minor issues like switching to Roku shortly after powering on. I’m not sure why the Roku was sending a signal to initiate the switch, but it’s better now that I am using a Harmony remote. I still am impressed with the LX-305’s sound and picture.
@@PNWShawn I think the 4700h at $1500 was clearly a good deal and I enjoyed it for the week I had it once I figured out how to get Audyssey to give me a decent result. I returned it though because the Denon 3800h I think is the better buy. It’s $1600 at Best Buy right now and has support for 4 individual subwoofers (managed separately), this will save some people having to buy a $200 DAC to deal with subs. You can also configure one subwoofer out to run a bass kicker (one of those rumble attachments you can put under a couch to really feel vibrations). It has 5 full HDMI 2.1 HDCP 2.3 ports where the 4700 only has one. It has the new updated Denon UI interface, the 4700 is still using the older interface. The 3800 will also have the paid Dirac Live upgrade available in March 2023…the 4700 isn’t getting that ability.
The amps are slightly less power out than the 4700 but really both of these receivers are begging for external amplification anyway given the flexibility of all the pre-outs.
The 4700h I think just shot back up to $2200 at which price it absolutely is a pass. But at $1500 it was a great price. Just not better than the $1600 3800h it seems.
I just got the 3800 h today from Best Buy but may not have time to set it up for days still.
Bought a brand new denon at a yard sale for 5 bucks because they are so hard to figure out. And the owner was sad because he's been doing the receiver thing for 40 years and couldn't even figure it out. And this is the 3rd one this year I've gotten from thrift stores and so on. What happened to denon I don't know. But it's truly sad
Thanks for navigating others' opinions and comparisons
Did you read Amir from Audio Science Review does not listen to gear.
Hello.
Thanks for pointing this out, and yes, I am very aware of this. His reasoning is because his website/channel are all about the science (hence his company's name), so he doesn't want his personal/human views to skew what the data is saying. At the end of some reviews, he does give his own subjective listening experience though (however, with speakers I believe he listens to them in mono rather than stereo, which is slightly controversial in itself).
In practice, Amir's work makes a difference to my life - most of the highest rated gear does sound better than the lower rated gear on the SINAD scale (to my ears anyway).
However, I find there comes a point where you get diminishing returns (once you reach the high end stuff), and that's where Amir's reviews start to lose meaning.
Overall, I think his data are more meaningful than subjective reviews could ever be, albeit still not a complete picture!
Have a good day!
Human ears are NOT a reliable way of measuring audio quality. In fact hey're the worst because of confirmation bias.
That's why you end up with "audiophiles" swearing that their 3000$ Dacs sound "best" while scienctific blind tests have proved that human ears can't distingush a good 9$ dac from anything else.
Scientific measurements are THE way to go. Never trust your ears. Trust science.
@@hypnoz7871 Yawn. You sound like Brandon "Trust the science".
Amir and his lemmings on his forum are now encouraging his members to send him gear to further critique and beat up on. There is a threshold of good measurement that should then allow the qualitative assessment to be performed and should be equally evaluated with the test bench measurements.
It’s not hard to make something that measures ace and sounds like a turd. There are plenty of sub 100$ Dacs that prove this, cheap headphone amps too. I’ll take my poor measuring tube amp anyday, those HDAM modules in the marantz measure for shit too.
@@mikeweatherford5312 praying 🙏 to the altar of this dumb dumb with his $20k 🎤 microphone and plotting software is so dumb. And his forum members are even more low intelligence for cheering him on when he personally goes after manufactures.
X3600H was $1888 in Aug 2020 Australia 🇦🇺 when I did some talking 😅
Dudeeeeee what are those headphones????? Those are badass!!!
THEY'RE CALLED the ERGO MODEL 2.
They have an interesting history - if you fancy a read
Have you tested MPEG-H through the AVR-X3800H?
I like Marantz overall but they changed their aesthetics and I now just can't buy Marantz or anything Quad (for hi-fi) based on their new ugliness. Been using a Yamaha Aventage A/v receiver and Dali speaker combination for years, very happy. If it ain't broken I'm not fixing it!
Oh man I detest ASR, measure with your ears! If you like the sound overall then who really cares about measurements. I recall some guy liking some bit of equipment, said he liked the sound...ASR member told him he didn't know how to listen 😂😂. ASR are for those on the 5th percentile of the anal spectrum.
Yay to you liking Yamaha too!
Hey man, long time no speak!
I am 70% agreeing with you regarding ASR - I can't take the results there 100% seriously.
However....
I have noticed that the SINAD measurements do have some value and it does correlate (to some degree) with what kind of audio I'm 'in to'. After a certain value (around 100db SINAD), I don't think it really matters to the ears and other sonic characteristics become even more important.
I am still rocking the Yamaha AV receiver - I'm starting to fancy a change though...😂 (you know how it is). Don't think I'll be moving to D&M receivers, but am considering an Arcam .. possibly...
You have any experience with Arcam AVRs?
@@propercushty likewise my man. Long time no jibber jabber :). Only 70%? The dark side still has a grip then 😂😂.
I agree that there is a place for measurements but ultimately (I think) it comes down to what you want to hear and how close your equipment is to that. Best measurements in the world ain't going to account for synergy and your room! Oh wait, according to ASR I'm a partaker in the 'ole snake oil cause all cables are created equal according to physics. I'm gonna live in blind ignorance and enjoy my films/music just as they are, poor 'ole fool me cause they sound good to my ears 😂
No experience of Arcam for A/v just Yamaha and Sony. Denon and Marantz only in small budget systems mainly for the tuners. Good for what they are and what I need them for. The Marantz packed up for tuning after a few years, my Denon M40 still going stong in the kitchen though.
Do a beginners guide to Sinad, though. That would be good!
Marantz is amazing for sound
Right, so I listened to Andrew and bought this AV. The home theater performance is outstanding and a perfect upgrade from my SR7009. But for music it really churns it out badly and has some horrible presets to further the embarrassment. It was quite ghastly actually but I knew that going in. Luckily I love 2 channel pure direct and my Eversolo plugged into the analog CD input punching out some exquisite music which the Denon handled sublimely. It even provides a little extra bass so you don’t miss a sub. Totally happy with this purchase.
It is interesting that its price is falling, now it is already 899 euros. Maybe there's something to it and that's the reason for the price drop, all the cons? Also Marantz 50 price is interesting, 1350 eur at the moment.
Denon 3800h are one of the best for movies and one of the worst for stereo music. Also red that the 3800h have better dac and chips then the 4800h and lower noise levels
Why does this video suddenly take me to middle earth and starts playing some cliche 'Village of Dwarves' background music at 14:40??
You are so funny suggesting the NAD T778 as alternative to the Denon X3800H given that it is 3 times the price!
i can't help that you're poor lad
@@propercushty Why testing the x3800h anyway then? Why not testing x6800h or alike?
@@propercushtyWow that is na inteligent answer :).
@@tomekbeling922 perhaps the NAD can only win against a 3 times cheaper device and that's why he did not test it against a Denon of same price range? His negligent answer suggests so.
@@MiccaPhone I believe that is how the life works. Some lacks intelligence, some - like me- are not rich enough to go beyond Denon x3800h.
Why you wearing a wall diffuser on your head
I thought Star Trek come on the tv when this stumbled on my screen stood between 2 toasters I was waiting for the misterons coming or spock to come on lol
No comparison to the X4800H?
Hi. Between the Marantz Cinema 60 and the Avr x3800h which one would you get. I don’t need 4 subs.
i mean the marantz cinema 60 should suffice but depends on what speaker setup you got going on too. If i thought I wasn't going to use all the features of both amps I would probably lean toward the Marantz
@@propercushty Thanks, I actually had both system to test and although the Marantz has less features the sound quality is superior. I kept the Cinema60.
Denon is awesome for movies and music equally. The new range is flawless. I have tested it on a variety of speakers and they sound great on neutral sounding speakers the best. Don't get speakers that add their own sparkle. Denon all the way.
Rz50 and cinema 50 are in the price range of the x4800H. The x3800h is much cheaper, about 2/3rd of the price.
i can't help that you're poor geeza
I need a preamp for my 2 Klipsch Reference RP-8000F II to get 7.1.4 . Any suggestions ? I found the Yamaha A-S301 but I was thinking about something that is smaller cause having the x3800h and the A-S301 is kind of bad space wise . I was thinking something smaller and not as expensive .
Don't know whether you found a solution 6 months later, but first things first, the AS301 is an integrated amplifier, not a preamp. That's not what you need and you also don't need a preamp to power the two 800Fs, which you most probably use as front left and front right. What you need is a power amp (since you already have the 3800h, that is). Since you're on a budget, you should look at pro audio power amps. A Crown XLS or a QSC.
Merci, par contre attention vous avez un grille pain sur les oreilles ;)
Seems more like a youtube review of a youtube review.....
i know it's brilliant init
I feel Denon has lost its way I have a class D Pioneer SCLX901 receiver, superb but when it gives up the ghost I would probably get a Marants Cinema series or perhaps a Yamaha. A shame as I do like Denon as a brand.
yeah i feel the same - in terms of adding features and making the experience easier, they're doing well. But in terms of honouring their hi-fi audio roots, I'm not so sure
I just bought this denon and I’m having issues with hdr not going through to my tv it has worked a few times but 99% of the time it doesn’t
I’m thinking about returning it and buying a onkyo
Yes probably because of software issue there was a bug back in 2021 & 2022 on most AVRs. But the New X3800h from Denon is a great AVR.
I was also thinking about it but a week back I got Yamaha A6 it also heats where power amp is there though its not in cabinet but fully open. Dealer said all 4k AVRs will heat.I am going to put a sucker fan to cool.
Hello thanks for sharing.
Yeah they are more prone to getting hot the more amps they cram in there and the more features they have - does your Yamaha a6's internal fan engage though?
Missed out on getting a 3700H for 800, ended up getting a several years old Yamaha a2060 and couldn't be happier. Run an AC Infinity fan to keep things cool and make it last. I had my Denon 3801 for 18 years (yes I know) so definitely looking to make this last.
glad you're happy with your yamaha david
THNKS for this review now i am sure i won't buy this demon. so whitch should i buy ?
Any time. Depends..what's your budget? Anthem receivers are looking pretty good right now. I am going to cover more of these receivers in future videos!
The Onkyo is great option RZ50
@@BrianGarside Wish you could get it in the UK.
@@propercushty Anthem receivers have their problems too. Maybe they have fixed them by now.
Returning the Denon 6500 for an arcam avr20 is probably one of the best upgradeable decisions I've made to date. In my experience even though the £2,000 Denon was pretty good at multi-channel audio, whenever the soundstage went from an actor's whisper to breaking out with loud noise effects, I still found myself having to reach for the remote control again. IMO whether it's the 6500, 3800 or whatever, Denon AVRs dynamic range is a little lacking and as far as two channel stereo is concerned, well let's just say I don't think one is gonna be impressed! And to think right now coz the arcam avr21's has just recently been released one can now purchase an arcam avr20 for 30% off at £2,000 😯... it has an toroid amplifier, audiophile grade DAC (9026 pro sabre) plus an toroidal transformer which btw are unusual for AVRs nowadays and let's not forget it also has a dirac calibration already implemented!
If one cares about sound quality it's a no-brainer.
(If you're gonna do it... do it right)
No need to mention this is a good video (they always are!) but what I will mention... you're looking damn right healthy bro. I guess living abroad is doing it for you.
Hello mate how you doin? Long time no speak.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the Arcam AVR20. I had suspicions this would be a better performer than many of these mainstream amps. The inclusion of the ESS Sabre DAC has been quite tempting to me for some while. Have you experienced any bugs/faults or glitches in the software or setup etc? I'm considering 'upgrading' some time soon...other than Arcam, also looking at Anthem.
Thanks for the kind words my friend. I've lost just over 30lbs now. Doing well indeed! Feeling great!
Take care buddy
So wait... This channel is purely referring to others reviews? Seriously?
The big issue for me is finding a 9.2 receiver that will let me add Dolby height speakers to my front speakers. The other recommended 9.2 receivers are significantly more expensive. I wonder if another shortlist reason could be moving from 7.2 to 9.2. The Marantz Cinema 50 is way beyond my budget.
I dont understand, how to add height speakers to your front speakers? You talk about those upfiring speakers? From what i know you can add those with any Denon receiver. The X3800H have a lot of assignable amps!
Just picked one up today, I haven't set it up yet. Looking to upgrade my Marantz SR5014 for more channels and XT32. I'm a little disgusted at the outrageous price of the Cinema 50 too, for virtually the same features. If this matches my satisfaction with my Marantz I'll keep it, if not it looks like it makes a bit more sense to spend the money on a SR7015 or 6015....I don't know.....I'll find out tomorrow.
@@raoulduke9764 can you come back with your opinion about the sound quality you'll get with the X3800H after installing it?
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Compared to the Marantz it "maybe" might sound cooler a bit more high end and I certainly have to pump up sub level but I also needed to do this with my marantz...I think after weeks of tinkering and just generally acclimating to it, it will sound just the same. I think the biggest difference in sound is really the xt32 and ability to choose top rear over top middle as I currently have my heights directly over seating. Auro 2D does make stereo music sound amazing. So in general to my ears it has pretty much the same sound quality as my less feature full marantz.
I think I will probably be returning it for the Cinema 50....just because I'm dumb and they will probably be close to identical but I can get it for $2000 so at this point why not spend a little more for something I definitely won't regret...my logic is that it can't sound worse and I still have a Marantz....yes I know, stupid but whatever.
@@raoulduke9764 5hanks for your opinion! Top Middle speakers are right over the seat place, no need to set them as rear or im missing something?
I am seeing more positive reviews than negative on x3800. Which Forums are you referring to which has more negative feedback? I am deciding between x3800, x4800, Cinema 50 or the new Onkyo rx70
could be good, could be bad...in this video i'm just reporting the news about what i had seen and read...
i did this video months ago so can't remember the exact form - type the quotes from the video in google word for word and you should be able to track it down
x4800h and cinema 50 cost about the same. x3800h is much cheaper, rz70 much more expensive. Interesting options you have defined there.
So you are just reviewing another review or what
consolidating information and drawing conclusions
For music 2.1 stereo marantz is amazing
Denons overheating is a common thread on the denon owners forum. I haven't had this but my friend's one trips and turns off daily, even after servicing. I'm probably going for an Arcam or Anthem next
go for it lad
i have a 2600h for a 5.1.2 setup and although it always feels warm it has ben in its little cuby hole and used daily since 2017. and dureing lockdowns it got hammered. still works brilliantly with my optoma uhd51 projector. only negative is i hate yes hate i cant justy send or use my own music player on a android phone, i have to go through heor which is very restrictive. menu sucks too.
I am considering a x3800h because i want a 7.1.4 experience in my other room to go with a 83 inch oled a90j that cost me 2k uk pounds. i have had a great experience with Denon and yep they look a bit old in design now but at least my experience has been very positive.
Ordered an x3800h on sale from Amazon to try. Also ordered a fan device for the top that responds to the heat. It will be in a fairly open shelf, not a cabinet. Going to test drive without the fans to see how warm it gets. Fingers crossed.
An additional expense with Dirac is you need to buy a microphone which is another $100 dollars.
ah yes something like a UMIK-1 would be necessary i presume
It comes with a microphone that works with Dirac. I don’t even think you could
Hook up a usb microphone
@@mikeweatherford5312 The bundled mic only works with Audyssey. The Dirac software only runs on a Windows or mac OS computer so you would use a USB microphone with that.
@@ronalcasid3844 I know it may not seem intuitive, but no. You can use the bundled microphone for Dirac. You hook it up to the receiver and when you launch Dirac software it will "See" the AVR and microphone as a valid source. Of course a UMIK-1 will be superior, but it is not needed. There are several youtube video's that illustrate the process of Dirac calibration with the provided mic. It's like a proxy mic, the software runs the measurement on the AVR over the network and the avr sends data back to PC.
@@mikeweatherford5312 oh that's a really cool feature then