NEW DENON RECEIVER!! Denon X3800H Review
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► NEW DENON RECEIVER! AVR-X3800H REVIEW
00:00 NEW DENON RECEIVER (INTRO)
00:19 DENON X3800H SPECS
01:59 DENON X3800H SETUP
02:39 DENON AND DIRAC
03:03 GOOD SPEAKERS FOR DENON RECEIVERS
04:30 DENON RECEIVER SOUND QUALITY
06:04 AVR SOUND FOR MUSIC
08:11 DENON HDMI ISSUES
08:56 DENON X3800H VS ONKYO RZ50
09:38 DENON VS MARANTZ RECEIVER (CINEMA 50)
10:28 YAMAHA VS DENON AV RECEIVER (A6A V 3800H)
11:02 CONCLUSION
11:35 BEST 8K RECEIVER 2022 (KRISTI'S TAKE)
14:31 DENON VS ARCAM RECEIVER
16:00 DENON VS ROTEL RECEIVERS
16:23 HOME THEATER PRICING
17:23 SIGN OFF
With so many new receivers coming out in 2022, how do you decide which home theater receiver is the right one for you? The newest Denon receiver, the AVR-X3800h is a 9.4 channel 8K receiver. In this Denon AVR-X3800H review, we test the Denon with Arendal and Klipsch speakers to see how it compares against Marantz, Onkyo and Yamaha receivers!
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Hi guys long time that I don't leave a comment for you guys to read if I had a choice I will get this one and I will wait for the updates I'll tell you why because every day I turn on my TV my computer my phone anything the first thing I do to check for updates so I'll be okay waiting for the updates because honestly it'll be worth it for that price would be worth it for me honestly can I get away with it when not bringing what they promise all the time with me no but I will give him I will give him a chance if it delivers a good first audio experience right out the box if you know what I mean so yeah the whole update thing there's some days I don't get update to my phone anyway I guess that's the future for companies am I proud of it no but I guess that's the future that we live in right now is we had to wait for updates anyways love you guys and God bless have a great day guys love you so much guys see you on the next one
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Thanks so much and keep being your wonderful selves. 🍻🙏🏾
@@michaelnickens8793 So happy you joined us! It's 6 Underground. FYI - That info is (always) noted in the description as well as noted on screen!
is there a difference in sound quality between the s760h and the x3700h?
This year thanks to Andrew and Kristi, I purchased the Onkyo RZ 50, the Polk R700s, the SVS Micro 3000, (yes used all their links to show support and so should you) and have not regretted one recommendation! Enough said!
We sincerely appreciate you doing that, Alan!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews You guys are the best and people don’t realize how hard it is to do what the two of you do. So nothing wrong with giving a little help.
@@michael-4k4000 that’s the beauty. We all find something that works for us in our quest for better viewing and listening.
Bought also the Rz50 and I am on my way to buy a subwyand two new left and right channel speakers, looking for 8000f or I wishhhhhh they could review the monolith encore T6 loudspeaker they deserve way more attention then they receive
do u still have ur tx-rz50, do u still like it I just got one 2 week s ago
I've had the yamaha rxa6a for a few weeks and I'm completely thrilled. I had the yamaha rxa2040 for years and it was good, but what the rxa6a can do in terms of sound is worlds apart. i run a 9.1 setup and i always wanted this quality. all updates that yamaha promised were delivered. there are no problems with hdmi 2.1 or other technical failures. ps5 and xbox seriesx run fine. your review of the yamaha rxa6a back then wouldn't be the same today and your new review would amaze you.
all denon owners have fun with it,
I always love your videos Andrew. Thank you for having a calming presence in my life by presenting these, even if I can't afford many of these. I've been using the same audio set up for the last 14 years, hoping to get a new one when I turn 45 in 3 years. If I tuck away like $100 a month from now till then for it I could build something sweet I bet.
Love your help with all this technology!!!!!
Last week I bought the Marantz NR1200 based on your review... strictly for 2 channel stereo, not our Main system but maybe most frequently used based on its location. We are very very pleased Andrew! The technology is amazing and I am hearing streaming music better than ever... Cd and turntable very good too... and it looks great. Bluetooth my phone well too. Thank you for all you do!!! I even found a new one on sale!! Way below the 799!!! So I really feel good about it.
Thanks for your review ! I have the RZ50 and the X3800H and love both of them for movies and music !! I have only one issue with the RZ50 which is HDMI handshake with my Fios cable box and Apple TV 4K.It takes a minute or so to get connected.No issues with the X3800H so far.
I like how you put the title of the video or game that is being shown. I find that I keep watching your reviews even though I am not in the market for the products. Andrews style of presentation and the banter between him and Kristi is great. You two are doing a killer job of these reviews.
Thank you so very, very much!
You'll also find the info noted in the description should you ever need it! Thanks for hanging out with us today.
@@KristiWright who reads? lol.
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When You Know Your Stuff, You Know Your Stuff! 😁I consider myself an audiophile, I currently own a Marantz SR8012 which I completely respect. It has taken me many, many nights to tune it to my sound taste and I believe it has finally paid off (however, unlike your wife Kristi and my wife, I love doing this stuff 😅). Prior to getting my Marantz SR8012, I listened to many different A/V receiver brands and models, and I could not agree more on ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND HUGE ASSISTANCE that you're giving through these videos because it is simply putted: AMAZING AND SUPER HELPFUL. Thank you so much for creating PROFESSIONAL, FUN, and SUPER INFORMATIVE content on this subject as it TOTALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE when someone is about to spend $,$$$.$$ + TIME on the heart of it all, an A/V receiver. I will continue to follow your videos and even consider joining the membership soon. THANK YOU! 😃
X3800h was a hassle free replacement for my old denon 3311ci. I needed 4k. After running room adaptation I can hear voices much better on the x3800h. The setup was super easy and fast. Also I can use 1 Apple TV remote to control everything so the harmony system is in the trash! Really like the simplicity of that.
Always interesting. Thanks for your takes on these receivers. Terrible leaving with that cliff hanger about there being another... Yoda. Enjoy the holidays guys. Cheers
I have an ONKYO NR717 bought back in 2014 and it has served me well for music and movies. I am 75 and I get a lot of enjoyment from my 5.1 ONKYO system, NVidea Shield and Sony 4k TV but my system does not have the newest sound capabilities. In addition, the Onkyo does not have 4k capability so I have to use an HDMI vidio/audio splitter to get sound to the AV receiver and 4k video from the NVidea Shield to the TV. All in all, my system clearly is in need of an update and I follow all your weekly posts with high interest in the new AV Recievers you have reviewed this year. The DIRAC LIVE Room Correction is the cherry on top and the Onkyo RZ50 is my current pick. Unfortunately, I can't afford this upgrade this year and have set late Spring for my update. Your Atmos speaker install inspired me and I hope to add 4 ceiling speakers next year too. So, thank you for your insights from both of you for you are clearly reaching your audience with timely and well thought out equipment reviews.
Great review as always. One of the big differences here on the 3800 over its predecessors is that in pre out mode, you can select only the channels you want. Previous models you had all channels or none.
Still no buyer's remorse with my purchase of the Onkyo TX-RZ50. The negative impression for stereo music listening on the X3800H is what would have prevented me most from purchasing it. On a side note, despite me enjoying the Onkyo...I actually found my Yamaha TSR-700 (RX--V6A) A LOT easier to tweak than the Onkyo. I'm still filling lost on all the options I have with Dirac Live on the Onkyo. Definitely diverse and respected perspectives abound on these AVRs. Keep up the good work!
Always love the videos! Nice job both of you!
Crunchy highs = dealbreaker (for me).
I can’t tell you enough just how much I value Kristi’s impressions and the way she communicates! She’s so direct and it speaks right to me. Thanks to you both!
Hey Andrew, so in Movies do you like the Marantz or the Denon more?
Andrew, first off... Another great review. Thank you both for the time and especially the honesty you put into your reviews. I can't say this is strong enough terms. Your channel is my "go to". The question I have is, do you think the issues with two channel playback on the Denon is due to the amplification? I ask this because I'll be using whichever new AV receiver I buy with high end external amplification.
I just purchased the Denon X3800H, and I couldn't be happier. Dolby Atmos is working like a dream and the sound is rich, warm, and makes movie-watching a wonderful experience. It will be upgradable for DIRAC sometime in early 2023. But for now, Audyssey's MultEQ sounds pretty freakin' awesome in my home theater setup!
Can’t go wrong with it as a entry into the HT world. It holds its weight in the more lower end AVRs.
I love your guys reviews and I have loved stereo stuff since my early teens. With that said I never became an audiophile. I honestly don't know if my ears would/could hear the differences. My current AVR is Denon S940H which I've had for several years. Thanks for what you do!
Love your channel and reviews!! Really enjoy getting Kristi's take each time as well!! Was anxious for your review of the X3800H. Back ordered one from a local retailer recently, so still waiting. Almost cancelled after watching your review. However, I cannot source the RZ50 locally. You mentioned "Had Denon waited for all of the software and bugs to be worked out first, it may have been an outright great one"... Does this mean it might have topped the RZ50 if the HDMI switching bugs weren't present and Dirac was already included? I will not listen at really loud volumes, so should not have the distortion and just TV/Movies so will avoid the stereo disappointment.
Is that crunchiness in the high end coming from the DA converters or the amp? Did you test the sound with just the pre outs to a separate amplifier and wondering if that improved the sound of the high end?
Thanks for the review! It's so hard to beat the RZ-50 for the price. Looking forward to your upcoming budget ARV review you mentioned. The 3000 series was always the sweet spot in the Denon line up...until the RZ-50 stormed in and said "this is my place now".
At the original price of $1400 the RZ50 was impossible to beat for value. Now that it is at $1600, it is a bit harder to say.
Good morning guys ! Loved my Onkyos as I have owned 3 of their top receivers but they all stopped working and are doorstops now. My Denon AVR-X4400H is still fully functional and sounds great using an Emotiva XPA5 amplifier. Wanting Dirac and 4k 120hz for gaming so still unsure what to upgrade to. Thanks for the comparisons and all the work that you and Kristi do! ❤️👏
great vid! I've had my eye on this as a 1st receiver. I think it allows for a good upgrade path - I can buy speakers until I fill out 7.4.4 with a power amp and eventually switch to a 16+ channel processor once I have everything connected to a power amp.
I love the simplicity of Denon. Having said that, a refresh wouldn't hurt, a simple external and font update could bring over some more customers. I'm looking at the next model up. Switching brands is tough. I've been a "Denon guy" for 30 years. I hate the portal of Mirantz and I never cared for Onkiyo sound, especially in a 2.0/2.1 channel. I come from the big analog systems of the 70's. My Dad had nice systems. So a bit warmer is always better, imo.
The Denon drawback is DIY firmwares. I don't mind so much, if it's updating or upgrading later on, but not waiting for a FW update on a brand new system. I agree finish it.
I have loved these last few reviews but keep getting confirmation that my choice to trust your recommendation of the Onkyo RZ-50 earlier this year was the right choice. Promising features in the future is not the same as including them at launch, and the RZ-50 just looks more robust and powerful, which i enjoy.
Great advice on that review!
Thanks for another great review. I have active speakers and as such would use the AVR in pre-amp mode. Does this change your perspective of what to buy?
Both denon and Marantz have identical circuits. I have the schematics for both. Now, the new Marantz units, definitely way up there. I have an SR7008 and it’s absolutely amazing. Had a pioneer elite ICE power, broke down I. 2 years. Sound no way as nice as my Marantz. Your evaluations are just spot on.
I chose Onkyo, I really wanted the rz50 but picked the nr7100 as it is $700 less (in Canada) and so far its great. I'm keeping an eye on the rz50 and if it goes on sale for Black friday I might just get it because I do want pre-outs to get 7.1.4 but other than that the 7100 works perfect.
I just listened to the Cinema 50 and X3800 back to back at my local Magnolia store with B&W 600 and 800 series speakers. The two receivers sound exactly the same. Exactly. There is zero difference. The X4800 (which sounds exactly like the Cinema 40) did sound better to me than the X3800.
Got the X4800H on order and hope to have it within the month. After only using Yamaha/Onkyo I’m excited for it.
Boy did I love the behind the camera counterpoint!
Good afternoon, Robinsons. Great review. Hope you have a nice Sunday.
Hey there! Always a pleasure.
So I had the RZ50 and it’s a good receiver. Just not my cup of tea so I sold it and got the x3800. I like it way better. The sound is much more punchy on the Denon and the great Dirac/Audisey debate is not even that for me as I didn’t think Dirac was all that on the rz50. Now full disclosure I have own Denon for over 35 years and maybe it’s just the placebo effect, but then in, that’s just my go to av receiver. Still I agree with you , Andrew it should have gotten the needed firmware updates before launch as I had major HDMI issues before doing 2 updates before I could even start the setup progress .
Love you guys! great and honest review.
Hi Andrew.. great video as usual.. very informative. I'm hoping you can guide me.. I'm looking for a new AVR to run my Paradigm Prestige 75f with matching centre in a 5.1.4 setup. My preference is the RZ50 based on your review of it. I'm just curious if it has enough oomph to drive the speakers, primarily for movie watching.
Bought the Onkyo RZ 50 and could not be happier.
I'm considering the RZ 50 along with the others mentioned here. Your independent endorsement is helpful. 👍
I just got the denon avr-x4800h to replace my ONKYO. All i can say is , where have u been all my life Denon!
How are you liking it so far? I just purchased the x4800 to replace my 14 year old Yamaha. I'm anxiously waiting to see if I made the right decisions. lol. it comes tomorrow
@@jerameyregimbald2137 It is leagues above my ONKYO. Better build quality. Digital integration is far superior. Handshakes are almost seamless. Audio is way more transparent with no distortion. Im getting steady 4k 120hz with no noticeable drawbacks on the passthrough. The only thing i would change is that it doesn't include Dirac Live, like my onkyo did.
Got a RZ50 2 Weeks ago and replaced it with a Denon 4800...got both receivers for about the same price. I've got to say that just for music, the onkyo sounded better and it's true that the soundstage felt much larger on the onkyo. But with Movies or games the Denon is way better. Not to mention that the denon can handle 4 subs separately, has auro and overall has more options/customization. I like both receivers though
Thanks for the video, another great one. Keep in mind that the x3800h can be setup in full pre-amp mode and now you'll have a $1699 pre/pro...Plus the sound can be vastly improved by using the new Audyssey MultEQ-X software tool. It's a little pricey at $199.99 but it gives you advanced control and functionality to really tailor your sound and improve your room's shortcomings.
No way to pay $200 for SW tool you can't migrate yourself between the machines. With Sound United moving towards the Dirac, Audyssey is effectively dead imo.
OMG! Your timing is incredible! I've been shopping this week to upgrade to a 5.1.4, future ready. This is the one I was really wanting your opinion on before getting it, or the Onkyo TX-RZ50! Thank you so freaking much!
Glad to hear this video is timely for you!
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I think a lot of people would be curious to know if the sound signatures you experienced using the internal power were the same using an external amp??? The appeal of these receivers is leaning more and more towards their ability to function as a processor as well.
How about ranking these receivers as used as Pre-pro's, utilizing outboard amplification??? Would be helpful
Think Ill add the Onkyo RZ50 to pair with my Klipsch Heresy IV's and Polk R700's and work on Atmos in ceiling next. Love the channel and you both are looked forward to each week. Thank you for welcoming us into your home and sharing your lives and reviews.
I have always matched my denon receivers with B&W speakers. Have had the 700 series for over a decade now. I headed them being matched with Keff sleakers, but the sound is really different. Really agressive in the highs. I feel that with the B&W speakers the sound denon puts out is just perfect for my taste. I also should mention, that sound is personal. So this is just my opinion.
Are you going to DIRAC Test it against Audyssey? They say you can save both on the presets
For the price, I agree the Onkyo RZ50 offers more for the same price. Support for 11.2 comes to mind. A bit more power. Plus Dirac live!
The X3800H has support for 11.4. In fact, it can do 5.4.6 unlike the RZ50 and have Auro 3D. Also looks like you can assign whichever pre-out for the external amp unlike the RZ50 which only allows the rear surrounds for 11 ch. Still, I agree the RZ50 is still a better value even at the new $1600 price which includes the Dirac and most people in the USA would be perfectly happy with it. But the X3800H maybe a better buy for those who want a bit more options with their speaker setup. And competition is always good for this market.
Looking forward to the budget friendly AVR you mentioned that is upcoming for you to review. I use AVRs for 2 channel stereo due to the all inclusiveness of it (bluetooth, DAC, USB, HDMI inputs etc). Integrated amps with those features are 1.5 to 2x above my budget. Hence why I like AVRs for an all in one solution. Thanks for all your comprehensive reviews.
If we're considering less than £1,000 (sorry, I deal with gbp) as budget, then Denon are unbeatable in the budget range as far as my experience goes. Went from a Pioneer as my first unit (which included speaker set), picked up an Onkyo when wanting something capable of 4K passthrough. Had issues with the unit when it came to the bluetooth. The indicator light flashed intermittently and if turned off it wouldn't turn back on. Got a replacement and it had the same issues. Resorted to not turning off the bluetooth.
Just recently picked up a Denon for HDMI 2.1 and ALLM support and it has been perfect. Affordable price and it has network features which the Onkyo didn't including automatic firmware updates. No issues that I've noticed. Intuitive UI. Sound is great. Or at least, no worse than the Onkyo was. Still using the speaker set that came with the pioneer. Those satellite speakers can put it out enough to stop me from considering any full range sets. Did pick up a separate Yamaha sub though, as the original Pioneer one used a different connection.
I really appreciate Kristy's "normal person" take in these reviews.
Andrew: There's different pros and cons, I can't decide what is better for you.
Kristy: It's Marantz.
How this Denon X3800 sound quality compares to a Denon PMA-900HNE? Thanks
I have had 2 Onkyo Integra AVR’s. Both HDMI boards died. That, and their previous other issues, make Onkyo a no go. I’m not taking another chance with them. I purchased the 4700, and I am pleased. Yea, they have an “old” look, but mine sits out of the way in a gear closet, so I never see it. It does everything I need, and more. Thanks for another great and informative review.
Of all the features AVR's have, how it looks is by far the least important.
I want the most reliability, then modern codecs, the latest HDMI, and options/pre-outs. Looks and legacy RCA connectors (including TT) is completely unimportant to me.
Still love my Yamaha RXA2 and emotiva a2 for mains both purchased on your advice, keep up the good work
Please review the X2800H model, maybe comparing it to the X2700H. Thanks!
Any chance you can review the AVR-X4800H? For close to $1000 more than the 3800h, with nearly the same specs, it would be great to see where that extra cost was put, and why you would choose the 4800H over the 3800H, if at all. Apparently the components are better, with a better DAC in the 4800. Can you hear the difference though? I think a lot of people would be interested in knowing. Thanks!
all that money for garbage amps. and then u look at just processors. and the price is just as absurd.
@@rushgush yeah, this can be an expensive hobby. For most people, most of this stuff doesn't matter. For some, it does. I actually bought the x4800 shortly after I made that comment.i heard the 4800h had much better amps, than the 3800. I still hooked it up to an amp. My 5 bed layers are being powered by the amp and the AVR is powering the 4 height channels. I still can't find many people reviewing it. It seems like a pretty good receiver. I just don't know how it compares to others.
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I have bright speakers and am afraid of pairing them with bright sounding 3800h. The Cinema 50 may be a better match. May I ask if you bought the 4800h due to a difference in sound over 3800h?
@@gurjantm I have klipsch speakers currently. When I used Audyssey the speakers didn't seem bright at all. When I used Dirac, They became clearer, more dynamic, with better separation, but they are a lot brighter. I'm going to play around with it to see if I can fix it. I love everything about how DIRAC W/ Multi Sub bass control changed the sound of my speakers, except for making them sound to bright. Some audio sounds very harsh at louder volumes. I applied a Harmon curve to my Dirac filter, and that helped, but I feel like I can do more. The reason I went with the 4800h over the 3800, was the better components. The X4800H has 32-bit processing (called AL32 and HD32 by Denon) which is supposed to provide more precision when processing the audio signal, I believe, and a better AMP. I got myself an Emotiva AMP and I'm running my 5 bed layer speakers through it. I notice no difference in sound quality, or tonality when hooked up to the amp. I do notice it sounds better when I turn it up though, more so than when it was just the AVR. I knew eventually I was going to get this amp, and another one down the road, and eventually use this as a processor only. Also with the addition of the component video input, I thought the 4800 was a better option for me. I never had the 3800, so I don't know if my reasoning is correct. I doubt most people would notice a difference, and aside from occasional switching issues I have, I love the 4800.Unless you need the extras like component video, 1 extra HDMI, extra triggers, more zones, and 20 extra watts the 3800 is the better option for the price. Also, if you don't have the speakers, or the ears, to notice the subtle differences between the two audibly, you're better off getting the 3800, I imagine.
@jerameyregimbald2137 hi do you think it is sufficient to run Dirac Live with the provided mic from the receiver box?
Thanks! Yes, this is a best for Denon but a Marantz 8015 is what my system requires for the speakers in that system and it has a near perfect balance with the Klipsch set I have. Having Golden Ear reference with a McIntosh system I can state that the theater sound bests it until I get to a great orchestral work.
Thank you. I have always been an Onkyo and Pioneer user but when I saw this was coming out, I have been thinking of swapping. Thanks for the review
If you already own either I wouldn't switch at this time. Thanks for watching!
Great channel! Will it be an update on the 3800h review after firmware updates?
This is such a relevant question. No one seems to address this on youtube
I'm not in the market for an avr, and I've never seriously considered onkyo, but the rz50 seems like a solid product. This 3800 and rz50 would be on the shopping list.
The RZ50 is very solid in our experience!
So I listened very carefully to Andrew 3 x 😂and went ahead with this AV. For home theater it’s a massive upgrade to SR7009. It’s quite sensational actually. For music however is totally lacking. It’s very poor compared to SR7009. But I love 2 channel listening and I have an Eversolo DMP-A6 which I found amazing analogue in pure direct with this AV. As Andrew says there’s a bit of extra bass in the Denon and it helps me not to miss a sub on pure direct. Thanks Andrew. This review helped me make the right choice.
Iam so happy that i have one of the last real pioneer receivers. SC-LX59. I tested a denon recently and i gave it back.
Curious if your opinion has changed now, nearly a year later with the firmware updates et al. I’m on the market and have been leaning towards the x3800h.
Full transparency, this AVR can be had for $999 these days which makes it quite attractive.
Yeah man, in the Netherlands you can get one for less than €900, it's still a hefty price for audio, but if you're an audiophile and see these specs, it makes it one of the best valued receivers atm imo. If I wanted another Sony receiver capable of at least Dolby Atmos and all HDMI 2.1 features it would cost me about the same or more but has like 0 features compared to this Denon...
Love watching you two.
Thank you, Henry!
Cheers from Brazil!
I love your channel
Deciding here between the Onkyo or the Denon😊
Well you are in luck because comparisons are made extensively throughout the video!
These videos are proving invaluable to me. I am looking to upgrade my aged Yamaha with something that I can use for my current Klipsch setup, as well as the speakers in my ceiling. So obviously I need a 9.X. I looked at the Marantz SR-6015 a yr or two ago and fell in love. Of course now my local store no longer carries it new and has just an open box. And of course, I'm quite hesitant about that. It was most likely the display model.
I loved the sound of it compared to the Denon I had listened to at the time. The Marantz gave me that guitar tube amp sound to. Very natural, very warm.
But these new Denon's seem to be doing quite well. So now I'm torn between this one, and the Cinema 50.
Can you review the DENON AVR-X4800H and compare it other mid range AVR?
Also, your room is stunning. Great job w that.
Thank you, Jason!
@@KristiWright Yeah, I've seen in 100 videos so far but it had a different scale today. I think it may have been a shot down the middle. You guys are killing it! Great stuff!
Always love your videos and enjoy watching them even if I have no interest in the specific item type. I am looking to replace my 12 year old receiver, and wondering that you had good things to say about the Pioneer LX305 but never mention it when comparing this type of receiver, why is that?
Hi, I'm in the UK.
Enjoy watching your videos and learning from them.
I'm gutted the Nakamichi Dragon isn't coming to UK.
Love these comparisons. I am leaning towards Marantz. However, I would like to know where the Pioneer vsx-lx 305 falls within these models?
Onkyo and Integra share very similar sound profiles. I believe this video will help. th-cam.com/video/bq90iCnCXW0/w-d-xo.html
@@KristiWright Thank you for the reply. I will check this out. Was just looking into Pioneer and Marantz due to spatial restraints.
This is my new favorite avr of the year
Thanks for the review, I'm looking to buy a Denon AVR-X2800h to pair with KEF Q750 or Q950 fronts and Q650C and 4 in ceiling speakers to act as Amos and surround. Uses are mainly for HT and some music - Is this a good pairing? Should I upgrade to the X3800h for the extra power even though I don't need the channels? Due to my country I'm limited to specific brands, like Denon, Kef, Klipsh, Polk and this seems like good quality for the price.
HaHa.. I have been one of those asking for the Arcam review since I own an older model. :).. I am sure one day they will send one to you guys! Appreciate your guys for keep pushing them to send you a unit. Maybe the fans could also send them a message. ;).
What do you think of the DENON AVR- X4700H
I'm not one of the one's typing about Arcam but thanks to Kristi for still trying to get Arcam to come through.
[Recently bought the Denon X3800H 2 days ago]
Hi Andrew- Its funny you bring up the HDMI switching issues (8:11). Switching between the Google Chromecast with Google TV 4K Adapter (YCbCr 4:2:2 12 bit) to the Telus 4K Optik TV Box (4k 60Hz YCbCr 4:2:0 10 bit) brings up no signal or sound on my Sony TV (XBR65X900F). Switching between Chromecast to Playstaion 5 (back and forth) is fine. But two things do seem to fix it is 1.) Switching HDMI OUT from auto (Dual) to Monitor 1 and then back to auto (Dual) again makes the signal come on, and/or 2.) Switching the Telus Box from Enhanced to Standard in 4K/8K Signal Format, but the specs change to 4k 60Hz YCbCr 4:2:0 8 bit on the Telus Box (switching back and forth after changing this setting makes it work fine). But with that setting I'm losing out on a lot of colour. The only real thing for now to make the Telus box work right away is to start the TV/Receiver/Telus TV Box as the first thing ON to start watching TV for the day. So this seems to be another Firmware issue that I hope gets resolved in the future, it is a strange issue but I can live with it but still hope it gets fixed. Beyond that I love the way it sounds. Also I look forward to the DIRAC LIVE Firmware Update in March 2023.
Great review. The Cinema line looks really nice. It reminds me of my Model30.
I like the looks of Denon. The display is easier to read and it’s functional. Much better than the Marantz and Yamaha. I can’t stand the volume knob in the center if the Yamahas.
And who cares when you have 10 grand worth of speakers if your receiver has a “distorted high end, or crappy highs” like I don’t think any real human will notice the difference
@@bigcwastaken2112 Not if your nit A/Bing the two. Your ears tend to adjust to a different sound.
Four independent sub outs. If you know how unique this is, it’s on a very short list.
Great review. I have this on pre-order as still hard to get here. Movie duties only. The ability to add an amp later for an extra 2 height channels, mixed with 4k 120 it's perfect for my new home cinema setup with my ls12000b projector. Gaming being a massive factor for me. People in the UK are nervous around onkyo. Having owned many in the past, issues with having to get hdmi boards replaced and the fact that onkyo basically disappeared in the UK would make me nervous about buying one.
Dude. This Drifting track is insane 😂😂😂 my rubicon 8s and NAD T778 is going nuts. Thank you for sharing this song.
Still anticipating your X1700 review hinted from the cinema 50 video
How would you rank the NAD T778 stereo sound to the cinema 50?
I'd love to hear this comparison as well.
i believe some of the upper treble behaviour might be on account of the available power and Arendals combination. They are a bit hard to drive and 105 w divided is going to be on the lower side. This is probably why they offer a good and well designed pre out for all channels. I have been selling and installing Denon, Marantz and Integra, ( until they left us out to dry a few years back!) for almost 20 yrs. I hear you! Very much in agreement.
When I upgrade my old Yamaha, I can’t afford to make a mistake, and your reviews are very helpful. Thank you.
Glad you find them helpful Edward!
4800 should be compared to the other three based on price I have two Denon and both have been solid
For what it's worth, Marantz has a reputation among many of having a "warm" character to its sound while Denon is more neutral. Regardless, Andrew, I'm curious of whether the Denon's sound is attributable to it's preamp section or its amp section or a combo of the two? Audio Science Review (I think I got that correct) indicated the preamp section of the 3800 was inferior to the 3700 version. Finally, my issue with the Onkyo is its sub outputs aren't independent of one another. Thus, Dirac's bass correction (i.e. the more advanced separate module) is somewhat neutered whereas the Denon has 4 independent subwoofer outs. However, the estimated price for Dirac on the Denon and Marantz is crazy expensive relative to its current selling price.
As for myself, after 3 years with Denon x3500h, I am still not satisfied with the stereo reproduction. I am willing to make a switch and will audition Marantz cinema line soon. The reason also is, that for me it is also about the design. So e.g. no chance I would ever touch an Onkyo 🙂
Great video, thank you. I am new to home cinema and stereo listening. Will it help to add a dedicated 2 channel power amp (like the Emotiva) to the preouts inorder to improve soundstage and to reduce the forwardness and lean sound of the Denon?
Kind regards,
Guys, loved the soundstage box graphic! If that’s at all representative of what you heard, then it’s a very useful reference for comparison.
HOWEVER, for AV receivers it would be much more useful to present the same info with DRC engaged, since that’s how 99% of users will listen. After all, it’s conceivable that Audyssey could mitigate the soundstage deficiencies of this unit. In fact, the engineers might have phoned it in on soundstage for precisely that reason.
Andrew, any plans to get in the new Denon 4800 or 6800?
both quite similar
I have a Denon 6700 and I haven't seen anything in these new offerings from Sound United that would make me move off of it, except maybe the new Denon A1 and Marantz A10 preamp, but those are 6 and 7 thousand dollars.
I will say that the four independent subs are tempting, but I don't even have 4 subs. As for Denon's s looks, I've never liked the styling of the 3X and lower models, but I'm still disappointed that they haven't changed anything.
These days though, I'm not sure question is which model is best for you, but which is available.
RE: 4 subs - you might not need them. For our purposes, we rarely even use two because one sub is more than enough.
Hi Andrew is there any chance you can get your hands on the Pioneer vsx lx 505 since you mentioned the Denon and Onkyo on this category,
I want to hear your opinion.
Thank you for all your information.
I was all set to get the Onkyo RZ50 until heard and read that the two sub woofers out were not independent of each other. So what would be next choice. Yous do great reviews and comparisons.
Thank You Both
Very informative! what are your thoughts on using the AVR as a preamp only (setting the unit to disconnect the internal amps) and running external amplification with Emotiva or Monolith amps?
Also, would it be ok to use the AVR's amps just for the height speakers or would that still introduce enough of the lackluster high frequencies to mess up the entire mix?
Very interested in a response to this as well!
I was thinking of doing the same. I have this amp and I think it's decent. Only 3wks old so still in the learning process
I am seriously looking at the Onkyo TX-RZ50 (as Kristi's 2nd place pick) to replace my Yamaha V6A.. you picked up on my issue with it.. there are SO MANY settings, I get overwhelmed. And, I can't seem to get it just right with that one. Totally frustrates me. I've had Onkyo in the past and loved them (even had the separate Surround Sound component they sold years ago).
get the RZ50, i have the integra 5.4 since I couldn't get the rz50 and its excellent. The dirac is awesome too.
Potential is def there. I'd love to see it with its full promised feature set and the real advantages it will have. I would definitely re-visit this denon or Marantz near end of 2023, or even early 2024 when they get the Dirac Bass Management 2nd update.
Another great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews yep always do, have enjoyed them for a few years now. You both do such a great job, and also enjoy the bloopers. Watched many of your reviews after out Integra AVR took a dump.😁
I love Denon as a brand. Their higher end SACD players are exceptional, I love the PMA-800NE in my library which gives a beautifully rich, warm, clear tone, and I really wish they'd release a 4K disc player as my 3313 UDP is just outstanding. But. But I cannot stand their AV receivers. I've owned three, hated two of the three, and couldn't live with the heat sink that was the third (an otherwise beautiful X5200 in silver). Their receivers are so ugly, and I cannot find any excitement in their cinema experience - they've always left me cold. For my money, it's Arcam that lead the way, I love everything about the looks, the immediate and accurate change of inputs, and oh, that sound....
Coming from a Marantz, I lucked up on a RZ50. What is your favorite setting for music on the Onkyo?
Thanks for the update on your effort of getting the Arcam in front of us. I'm praying for the AVR21 to show up in my home. Thanks Kristy
You're gonna love the sound of the arcam AVR 21 especially when it comes to the 2-channel stereo music 😁
Great review! Will you ever review the AVR-X4800H? I'm in the market for a new receiver. I've had the Yamaha RX-V3900 since 2009, and while I've loved it for the last 14 years, it's lacking in the technology department. I'm also upgrade to a 4k TV and 4k projector and would like a receiver that can accommodate both while not being a step down from what I currently have. Right now it seems like the X4800h is a better matchup to what my receiver was when it came out, than the 3800h is. I recently put 4 in ceiling speakers in my movie room in anticipation for an Atmos setup. I currently have 5.1.4 speaker setup and would like to eventually go to a 7.1.4 or even a 7.2.4 soon. I have yet to see anyone review the 4800h and would love to see what your thoughts are on it! thanks! I just subscribed!
Hello, I have been loving my Yamaha rx v3800 for 15 years as well.
Was looking to get the x4800h to see if auro 3d /atmos would be a decent upgrade, not more sounds but a better movie experience.
My understanding is that a stand alone unit like the x4800h or x3800 won't cut it when all 9 channels are needed during demanding dynamic movies.
So, this week I was able to get a open - box denon 3800h for £723 with 2 year warranty. My plan is to use the Yamaha rx-v3800 to power the front 3 (lcr) speakers. And have the Denon power the rest. This will enable me to run a decent 11.4 auro 3d set up that also covers 5.4.4 atmos.
I focused on the x4800h because of the difference in the amplifier section but I would still have needed to use an external amplifier. The amplifier section of the x3800 will be more than capable of running all the lesser demanding channels. So spending an extra £600 didn't make sense.
I'm excited about having 4 independent subwoofer outputs and the new version of Audyssey xt32, plus all the latest multi-channel options.
I have all the extra speakers and denon 3800 here now and plan to get it all set up during the following week. If I don't feel that it's a decent upgrade in my movie experience than I'm happy to return the Denon and stick with the excellent Yamaha rx v3800 with 5.4 (I run 4 subs with a minidsp).
What option did you end up with? 👍👍
@@MrOkcyurwin I ended up buying the 4800h. A couple months later I bought a 5 channel Emotiva amp, which I think has 200-250Watts per channel. I don't remember off the top of my head. I'm powering my 5 bed layer speakers with the amp and the 4800 is powering my 4 in ceiling speakers. I have a 5.2.4 setup. I really like the setup for the most part. I get HDMI switching issues occasionally, which are annoying. Also, I got Dirac Live with Multi Sub bass management. It made a big difference in clarity and isolating individual sounds, but it made my speakers sound harsh. I need to play around with it more.
@@MrOkcyurwingreat choice. I did similar, have arendal 1723s speakers and run fronts woth a poweramp. 3800h powers the rest of the 5.1.4. It sounds massive!! Dirac is a big diff though, I agree with andrew. I made the day!