Just was fitted bu Ross from MIzuno UK at Gleneagles Pro Shop. Absolutely the best experience I have ever had in golf equipment. I would recommend everyone to do it as I gained distance, accuracy and feel from his knowledge of what shaft/head/grip would suit me best. Just proves that it is better to fit the club to my swing as try to change my swing to suit the club. Thanks Ian youre videos inspired me to go the distance and the results blew me away. Set of Callaway Rogue Irons and Taylormade Sim driver for sale all in vgc.
Went to see Ian Oct 14 th. for iron fit as he is only “ 1 hour away”...well worth the effort..totally class outfit...highly recommended to anyone able to travel in these challenging times. Kevin (from Montreal)
That was great guys. Gutted that I couldn't catch the live been looking forward to this one, saving furiously for a fitting and a set 921s. Looking forward to the wedge test too because they'll be on my list.
Was out playing this morning so missed the live, but I really enjoyed this format. Great job guys! Love to see a comparison with MP20 MMC and the Forged JPX line. Curious as to their similarities and differences, thanks.
This was pretty cool to see, The one thing I think a lot of people would like to see would be a ball review and comparison. This would be really helpful to those of us who can’t get a ball fitting to give us all and idea of starting points plus I think a lot of us would like to see your guys unbiased view on them.
Andrew, what balls in particular? TXG has done a number of ball reviews and comparisons already. Search the video library for "ball" and you'll find 30+ videos.
Thanks again guys for the great time! Loved watching this one. I have seen somewhere that the 921 Forged are GFF 4120chromoly in the 4-5-6-7 and 8-GW are GFF 1020E.
@@neilbarton4528 I think the chromoly feels a bit softer and you can tell it’s a hotter face. The g-8 feel good too though. Slightly harder, and I would say are a bit more consistent from a distance perspective.
Gents. Love the channel and your content, always very informative and thought provoking. I have the HMB’s 3-9 with Modus Tour 120 S shafts and love them. I then go to 48, 54 and 60 degree wedges in Jaws MD5 (loved your wedge fitting where it came down to them or the T20’s with Matty) with the s200 Tour 115gr. For my hybrid and fairway woods I have the Thump FW and Hybrid shafts - love them. Where I struggle is driver. I have an ST200 9.5 coming with a Atmos Blue 6S but am not tied to that shaft. Any thoughts? Thanks
Hey guys, I’m looking to finally upgrade to a set meant for me. I’ve been playing a set of Bob Toski Target clubs I inherited before I left for my undergrad studies. What are some of the biggest things I should look for when testing new clubs?
I have MP 59s with KBS tour stiff shafts and I really like them. Was thinking it is time for a change to jpx tour/forged combo. What improvements can I expect?
Gewat review as always, and you guys answered my question regarding the hmp stopping ability. Will get a high spinning ball for sure. My question is how do i solve the gapping issues between the 19° 4 iron to hybrids? I currently have a 19° 3 hybrid and 5 wood in 15°. Any help woould be appreciated. Thank you guys and good luck with the page! Went to get fitted for the 921 hmp last week and watching your videos helped made me communicate with my fitter at that time.
Ian, I was fitted a year ago for Titleist T300s irons with AMT Black R300 (P-6), Calloway Epic Flash Driver with Tensei AV Series 65 Flex-R, Calloway Epic Flash 3 and 5 woods Tensei AV Series 75 Flex-R, and Callaway EpicFlash 4 and 5 Hybrids with Kuro Kage 80HY Flex-R. At the time of my fitting I was pretty new at golf and had a Driver swing speed of 90 mph and a handicap of 19. Fast forward a year and my Driver swing speed is now 111 and my handicap is now a 8.4. Should I be looking at new clubs or different shafts? Thanks.
You guys mentioned not using the same club to hit a lot of shots in a row. Does that stand true even when working on a specific movement or trying to groove a new feel?
Been playing MP59s 4-PW with a MPH4 3 iron for the last 4 years. Index reached a 9.0 at one point, right now is a 12.1. Iron striking is usually a strength with most of my problems coming off the tee. Thinking about having a right hand set built to the SEL specs. Thoughts? Forged in the 4 iron, 5 iron, MAYBE the 6 iron and then the tours in 7, 8, 9, PW. Might even ditch the PW and get a specialty wedge rather than set wedge.
Lives are great and all. I definitely enjoyed it. But it’s hard to get much detail. Especially with all the super chats asking about driver shafts. No fault of you guys. Definitely hope you guys do your normal videos on these irons specifically on the Tour’s and then Forged and how the gapping on those will work. Hoping to hear Ian address the increased MOI on the Tour’s. Read that Mizuno increased MOI on the Tour to match the MP20 MMC. Really hoping to hear more about that.
Must admit that I agree with Tony. I understand the value of the chats but I tuned in for the Mizuno review so I found this session distracting and frustrating. I am looking forward to your traditional review of these and other Mizuno products (actually all of the products). Old school maybe, leave the chats for the chats.
Would the JPX921 be a logical progression from the MP-18 MMC? Using a Nippon regular shaft (NS Pro 950 GH) in the current set up with the 5 and 6 irons being the "Fli High" versions.
Not sure if this was spoken about but is there a big difference in forgiveness between HM and HM Pro? Is the HM Pro supposed to be mostly aesthetic changes? Wondering if it makes sense to have HM in the long irons and HM Pro in short irons
It appears that the SHAFT installed into a head that requires an ADAPTER does not go into the head as far as a head without an adaptor. Therefore would a S flex play more similar to a R flex unless it was tipped prior to assembly. I did that to my Mizuno st200 and everything changed for the better; feel, strike location, launch angle and roll out. Thank you.
Does anyone know what the plan is with Ping i210 iron replacement?? Heard Ian comment on what's happening with all of the other Ping irons but didn't hear anything about the future of i210
Matt mentioned on the video regarding higher spinning ball than Snell when hitting the 6iron Hot Metal Pro : “RBX Tour”, did Matt mean Mizuno RB Tour X? Based on your experience how is the spin of Mizuno RB Tour X compared to Bridgestone Tour B RXS? Cheers
Got fitted at club champion and got fitted in the 110 steel fiber shafts but felt a bum rush to buy them so I stalled and waited to get refitted somewhere else and the 110 steel fiber was the eleventh best for me. I ordered the forged with KBS tour shafts. My advise would be to get fitted at two different fitters to make sure you are getting what you need and not being upsized for more money!!
Missed most of the live having to jump off and on work conference calls. 😡. Loved the format of this review! Would have liked to seen a visual and head to head comparison of 921 forged vs MP20 MMC since these irons are likely targeting the same players. 👍
This is a bit of a reach, but curious if you could speak to it. I still have a set of MP-57s (circa ‘08 or so) that I still put in rotation today. Would it be crazy to think of the Tours as an updated approach to a similar concept?
I know some people aren't thinking they are a 120 round kind of guy but you have to think how often you hit balls at the range too. Even if you're a 20hcp, if you go to the range and hit a medium bucket of around 80-100 balls, there's a round. Do that 2 or 3 times a week, plus a round of golf every other week and that's 10 "rounds" of golf a month at 2 buckets a week and 14 "rounds" at 3 buckets. So do that for 6 months, if you're only hitting out doors and don't do anything the other 6 months of the year, and you're already at 72-84 "rounds". They add up quick guys, get those clubs regripped!
Hi gents, I have a full bag fitting booked for early February with Alex and the 921 SEL are on my irons shortlist. As you only fit irons with 6 irons, and the SEL are a combo set, do you have a 4 or 5 iron lefty forged for people to test (as forged isn't even available in lefty otherwise)? Similar question to how one might be fitted for aftermarket wedge vs the set GW. Much appreciated!
Loved the live testing. Really keen on testing the Forged / Pro against the 770 but the low spin of the Pro was a little concerning until you showed how much better the spin is with a high spin ball. Will defo take a high spin ball with me when I test. Thanks again.
How does the 921 Forged feel compared to the 919 Forged? They changed the material and I read some comments that it may be less soft compared the previous model.
Would love to know the answer to this... I'm still gaming mp-32's and feel I'm long overdue an upgrade. Something more forgiving appeals but I'm slightly put off by the stronger lofts in the 921 forged. But feel is something I'm really interested in. Seems like Mizuno are getting caught up in the distance race now.
I have the SEL set which has a forged 22 degree 4 iron. I wanted to blend in a 3 iron so I ordered a hot metal 4 iron since it is 19 degrees. Good idea?
I bought a set of these in Aug 2021, wish I had known about this "Live"...I do have a question, I'm wondering why do these clubs come with MCC +4, are they setup in a way where they don't want you to over rotate bottom hand?
As a 919 Hot Metal Pro player, I’ve always wondered how significant the change would be moving to the 919 Forged. I guess I’m interested in the same comparison with 921. Having said that, the 919 Hot Metal Pro with my Zelos shafts are perfect for me. If I’d had these 15 years ago I’d have been a high single digit player.
I am at a crossroads in my game. As my swing has improved the current shafts I have are to light (86g recoil F4 780). I'm am weighing new sticks or shaft replacements. Current heads are Ping G400. In my research replacing shafts with steel vs my graphite would be around $75 give or take installed. That gets me about halfway to a new set. Any thoughts?
Keep your Pings for when your older and for tthe begining of next season. Unless your looking for forged irons, suggest use the monet for New level MODB-1 irons; www.newlevelgolf.com/online-store/MODB-1-Performance-Irons-p160238812
I retired 5 yrs ago and then got leukemia, after treatment I have lost 30 yards on my long irons and woods, what clubs do you recommend to get some of that back? I’m particularly interested in the mizunos. By the way I’m about a 15 handicap
Have been playing the forged 919 for two years now from a hcp 16 down to a 6. I’m very happy with the irons but think to swith to the tour iron, what would you recommend? Are the tour much more difficult to play?
I’m a lefty and have an XR, but I struggled with a straight push, as well with the face in the neutral setting. I would probably hit the ball 35 yards or so offline from time-to-time. I simply moved the face to the draw setting and the big left miss is gone. You probably have some weights to play with, too. Don’t know if the Mavrik has moveable weights, but maybe try moving the heavy weight to the heel and the lighter one to the toe. Also, with shaft sleeve, I think changing the loft also slightly changes the face angle relative to your target. So it may be a combination of playing with the loft and face angle. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think delofting tends to open the face and adding loft tends to close the face.
Hello...I am from India ,I am interested in buying jpx 921 irons in graphite shaft and the stock shaft is Mi-1-55 regular or in stiff,my concern is about the shaft could you let me about the space of the shaft is it good or bad in long term usage...thanks
Currently playing 919 forged and struggling with 6-4 iron. Drop off in distance and forgiveness. Would 921 hm pro pw-7 and hm 6-4 be an option? Love my wedges and I game 50 55 and 60 would that also interfere with the wedges switching... thanks for the content, really intersteing and insightful 👏
Wow, what a marathon. I feel like I've just been thorough a full iron fitting. Even without a personal, final recommendation, I feel I know which head model would work best for me if I were in the market for a set of new Mizunos 👍
I recently got fitted for Mavrik Pro irons. I've loved in extra 15 yards of carry compared to my old irons, but I'm not a fan of my much lower ball flight. It has become very hard to get any kind of distance gap in my 4-5 irons. My thought is with a bit higher ball flight they will carry out to the proper distance. If I went and got my long irons bent 2 degrees weaker is there a material difference in the bounce it creates? Will it be harder for me to get the leading edge under the ball if I already struggle with thin shots?
Beware. The 8-Gap are not chromoly in the jpx 921 forged. They’re 1025E. I just received my set. I feel pretty misled by this. Contacted mizuno and they said that’s the way they were designed.
Seems to me every one that hits the 921 HMPro on the youtube videos goes WOW....and then they go WOW over and over again. Then they say they are going with the forged...I don't get it?
I notice that at 1:56:04 you have put the middle dots between 4-5 grove. Accordin to the Foresight manual I should put them between 6-7 grove. I have a set of 919 Tours and put the dot between 6-7 grove. Is that to high up in the face? According to Foresight manual they should be between 6-7 grove. But I guess that changes between club models? I always get s 4-6 toe down and low in the face hits. Even that they are horizontal good the vertical often 6-9 mm low in the face. Have I put the middle dots in the wrong place all the time?
@@clubchampionmedia So were should I put my middle dots on my JPX 919 Tours? As foresight say in their manual or like you have to get the correct readings?
Watch out getting the jpx tour they spin like hell actually on the course. Try out the x forged cb in callaway it was between that and the jpx921 forged pull the trigger on the 921s the misses where just so much more consistent!
@@damonrabon8388 Good to know! I actually have narrowed it down to a few others! I am loving the King Mim Tours, 770’s and have an eye to try the Callaway x forged cb. None of the 921’s felt right to me :/ - quite sad about that but what can you do ha
I stopped buying Mizuno irons after they started adding boron to the metal. I love Cobra and have the F9 driver and fairways. Recommend watching James Robinson's "I was wrong" or similarly named vlog with him and a friend playing a few holes. The friends 770s sounded so nice while James struggled with the 7MC irons. I used to have Cobra Amp irons that had that OMG perfect sound. If I was trying Callaways, I would see if the sweet spot was bigger than the X forged irons were. For irons I am a New Level Golf guy for life it looks like, btw.
When I caddied for a pro I tried to hit his Titleist blades with stiff shaft. felt like I was swinging a telephone pole. If you don't hit the sweet spot it's a disaster. the average golfer wouldn't benefit from hitting blades.
Why do shaft options in Europe su** sooo much? Honestly, while in the USA I can get basically any shaft/head combo, there is no chance in Europe. We need golf to be a little more mass sports like in the states...
Really enjoyed this fresh take on a new product line review. Top notch as always 👍
I missed the LIVE! I would love to see the 921 tour vs 919 Tour vs P7MC and the 921 Forged vs 919 Forged . Great stuff as always guys 👍🏽
Fellas, loved this! Bravo, excellent job. Tons of good info in this long format.
Thanks Derrick. 👍🏻
Just was fitted bu Ross from MIzuno UK at Gleneagles Pro Shop. Absolutely the best experience I have ever had in golf equipment. I would recommend everyone to do it as I gained distance, accuracy and feel from his knowledge of what shaft/head/grip would suit me best. Just proves that it is better to fit the club to my swing as try to change my swing to suit the club. Thanks Ian youre videos inspired me to go the distance and the results blew me away. Set of Callaway Rogue Irons and Taylormade Sim driver for sale all in vgc.
Ian swing looks great. Thanks for the live video guys 👍
From the questions in the beginning I would really like to see a driving iron type 5 iron replacement video!
Went to see Ian Oct 14 th. for iron fit as he is only “ 1 hour away”...well worth the effort..totally class outfit...highly recommended to anyone able to travel in these challenging times.
Kevin (from Montreal)
That was great guys. Gutted that I couldn't catch the live been looking forward to this one, saving furiously for a fitting and a set 921s. Looking forward to the wedge test too because they'll be on my list.
Was out playing this morning so missed the live, but I really enjoyed this format. Great job guys! Love to see a comparison with MP20 MMC and the Forged JPX line. Curious as to their similarities and differences, thanks.
JPX921 HM Pro vs Titleist T200 would be a good test IMHO. Appreciate you guys!
Love this - superb review and informative as always gents!
This was pretty cool to see, The one thing I think a lot of people would like to see would be a ball review and comparison. This would be really helpful to those of us who can’t get a ball fitting to give us all and idea of starting points plus I think a lot of us would like to see your guys unbiased view on them.
Andrew, what balls in particular? TXG has done a number of ball reviews and comparisons already. Search the video library for "ball" and you'll find 30+ videos.
Have been fitted for a set of the 921 Forged irons with Nippon modus 120s for shafts. Gorgeous combo!!
I literally just pulled the trigger on the exact same set lol. Good luck!
Thanks again guys for the great time! Loved watching this one.
I have seen somewhere that the 921 Forged are GFF 4120chromoly in the 4-5-6-7 and 8-GW are GFF 1020E.
You are correct. I just received my set. I feel pretty misled by this. I thought I was getting a full chromoly set.
@@rburda6 is the feel better in the short irons without the chromoly?
@@neilbarton4528 I think the chromoly feels a bit softer and you can tell it’s a hotter face. The g-8 feel good too though. Slightly harder, and I would say are a bit more consistent from a distance perspective.
Hey guys love this live test environment. Is there enough of a performance/forgiveness improvement from the 900 HM and the 921 HM irons?
Gents. Love the channel and your content, always very informative and thought provoking. I have the HMB’s 3-9 with Modus Tour 120 S shafts and love them. I then go to 48, 54 and 60 degree wedges in Jaws MD5 (loved your wedge fitting where it came down to them or the T20’s with Matty) with the s200 Tour 115gr. For my hybrid and fairway woods I have the Thump FW and Hybrid shafts - love them. Where I struggle is driver. I have an ST200 9.5 coming with a Atmos Blue 6S but am not tied to that shaft. Any thoughts? Thanks
Hey guys, I’m looking to finally upgrade to a set meant for me. I’ve been playing a set of Bob Toski Target clubs I inherited before I left for my undergrad studies. What are some of the biggest things I should look for when testing new clubs?
This video was awesome, keep it up!
good stuff boys! sounds like a great lineup. only thing i was curious about that didn’t seem to be discussed douche was turf interaction.
I have MP 59s with KBS tour stiff shafts and I really like them. Was thinking it is time for a change to jpx tour/forged combo. What improvements can I expect?
Great work today chaps! 👍
Would be interested to see how the P770 compared to the JPX 921 Tour.
Gewat review as always, and you guys answered my question regarding the hmp stopping ability. Will get a high spinning ball for sure. My question is how do i solve the gapping issues between the 19° 4 iron to hybrids? I currently have a 19° 3 hybrid and 5 wood in 15°. Any help woould be appreciated. Thank you guys and good luck with the page! Went to get fitted for the 921 hmp last week and watching your videos helped made me communicate with my fitter at that time.
I got the 921 hot metal, it has improved my game and has a great feel. If you are mid to high handicapper, the hot metal is perfect.
Ian, I was fitted a year ago for Titleist T300s irons with AMT Black R300 (P-6), Calloway Epic Flash Driver with Tensei AV Series 65 Flex-R, Calloway Epic Flash 3 and 5 woods Tensei AV Series 75 Flex-R, and Callaway EpicFlash 4 and 5 Hybrids with Kuro Kage 80HY Flex-R. At the time of my fitting I was pretty new at golf and had a Driver swing speed of 90 mph and a handicap of 19. Fast forward a year and my Driver swing speed is now 111 and my handicap is now a 8.4. Should I be looking at new clubs or different shafts? Thanks.
You guys mentioned not using the same club to hit a lot of shots in a row. Does that stand true even when working on a specific movement or trying to groove a new feel?
Been playing MP59s 4-PW with a MPH4 3 iron for the last 4 years. Index reached a 9.0 at one point, right now is a 12.1. Iron striking is usually a strength with most of my problems coming off the tee.
Thinking about having a right hand set built to the SEL specs. Thoughts? Forged in the 4 iron, 5 iron, MAYBE the 6 iron and then the tours in 7, 8, 9, PW. Might even ditch the PW and get a specialty wedge rather than set wedge.
Lives are great and all. I definitely enjoyed it. But it’s hard to get much detail. Especially with all the super chats asking about driver shafts. No fault of you guys. Definitely hope you guys do your normal videos on these irons specifically on the Tour’s and then Forged and how the gapping on those will work. Hoping to hear Ian address the increased MOI on the Tour’s. Read that Mizuno increased MOI on the Tour to match the MP20 MMC. Really hoping to hear more about that.
Must admit that I agree with Tony. I understand the value of the chats but I tuned in for the Mizuno review so I found this session distracting and frustrating. I am looking forward to your traditional review of these and other Mizuno products (actually all of the products). Old school maybe, leave the chats for the chats.
Would the JPX921 be a logical progression from the MP-18 MMC? Using a Nippon regular shaft (NS Pro 950 GH) in the current set up with the 5 and 6 irons being the "Fli High" versions.
Not sure if this was spoken about but is there a big difference in forgiveness between HM and HM Pro? Is the HM Pro supposed to be mostly aesthetic changes? Wondering if it makes sense to have HM in the long irons and HM Pro in short irons
It appears that the SHAFT installed into a head that requires an ADAPTER does not go into the head as far as a head without an adaptor. Therefore would a S flex play more similar to a R flex unless it was tipped prior to assembly. I did that to my Mizuno st200 and everything changed for the better; feel, strike location, launch angle and roll out. Thank you.
Does anyone know what the plan is with Ping i210 iron replacement?? Heard Ian comment on what's happening with all of the other Ping irons but didn't hear anything about the future of i210
Matt mentioned on the video regarding higher spinning ball than Snell when hitting the 6iron Hot Metal Pro : “RBX Tour”, did Matt mean Mizuno RB Tour X? Based on your experience how is the spin of Mizuno RB Tour X compared to Bridgestone Tour B RXS? Cheers
Got fitted at club champion and got fitted in the 110 steel fiber shafts but felt a bum rush to buy them so I stalled and waited to get refitted somewhere else and the 110 steel fiber was the eleventh best for me. I ordered the forged with KBS tour shafts. My advise would be to get fitted at two different fitters to make sure you are getting what you need and not being upsized for more money!!
Missed most of the live having to jump off and on work conference calls. 😡. Loved the format of this review!
Would have liked to seen a visual and head to head comparison of 921 forged vs MP20 MMC since these irons are likely targeting the same players. 👍
This is a bit of a reach, but curious if you could speak to it. I still have a set of MP-57s (circa ‘08 or so) that I still put in rotation today. Would it be crazy to think of the Tours as an updated approach to a similar concept?
Loved the formate guys
I just got fitted for the MP-20 MMC irons, would it be worth going back to try out the 921 line?
I know some people aren't thinking they are a 120 round kind of guy but you have to think how often you hit balls at the range too. Even if you're a 20hcp, if you go to the range and hit a medium bucket of around 80-100 balls, there's a round. Do that 2 or 3 times a week, plus a round of golf every other week and that's 10 "rounds" of golf a month at 2 buckets a week and 14 "rounds" at 3 buckets. So do that for 6 months, if you're only hitting out doors and don't do anything the other 6 months of the year, and you're already at 72-84 "rounds". They add up quick guys, get those clubs regripped!
What are the benefits of traditional lofts compared to powerful more forgiving irons?
Hi gents, I have a full bag fitting booked for early February with Alex and the 921 SEL are on my irons shortlist. As you only fit irons with 6 irons, and the SEL are a combo set, do you have a 4 or 5 iron lefty forged for people to test (as forged isn't even available in lefty otherwise)? Similar question to how one might be fitted for aftermarket wedge vs the set GW. Much appreciated!
Iam still playing the Taylormade rocket bladez tour irons would the jpx921 forged be a good replacement or the hot metal pro?
How’s the workability on the forged? Can you hit the 75% shots or does it just come off to hot?
I am on the yellow train as well!! Srixon's yellow is also very very good.
Loved the live testing. Really keen on testing the Forged / Pro against the 770 but the low spin of the Pro was a little concerning until you showed how much better the spin is with a high spin ball. Will defo take a high spin ball with me when I test. Thanks again.
I have JPX 919 forged 5 and 6, adams cb1 7 through gap, what should i replace these with?
Which of these irons or any other new irons compare to the Wilson Staff v6 irons
How does the 921 Forged feel compared to the 919 Forged? They changed the material and I read some comments that it may be less soft compared the previous model.
Would love to know the answer to this... I'm still gaming mp-32's and feel I'm long overdue an upgrade. Something more forgiving appeals but I'm slightly put off by the stronger lofts in the 921 forged. But feel is something I'm really interested in. Seems like Mizuno are getting caught up in the distance race now.
Brilliant guys 👍👍
Would love to see an above average swing speed mid to high handicapper testing of jpx 921 forged vs t100s
Messaged them the other day about athletic high swingspeed newer golfers or mid to high handicap too
Mid to high hcp will definitely prefer the 921 forged, mid to low will definitely prefer the t100s, based on head size
Thx Felix for the info
I volunteer as tribute!
No real comparison. T100 more compares to the Tour. T200 is closer but really more like the HMB.
Went from JPX 800 Pro to MP4...then got old and fat. Hoping these 921 forged irons will make the game fun again.
Looks at this. Looks at my jpx 919 tour...noticed how they heard Ian..now they're sad :/
What’s your thoughts on the Titleist left dash golf ball v normal pro v1
I have the SEL set which has a forged 22 degree 4 iron. I wanted to blend in a 3 iron so I ordered a hot metal 4 iron since it is 19 degrees.
Good idea?
I bought a set of these in Aug 2021, wish I had known about this "Live"...I do have a question, I'm wondering why do these clubs come with MCC +4, are they setup in a way where they don't want you to over rotate bottom hand?
not sure if if ever got corrected, but the MTB black is the lower spinning compared to the MTB-X
Mizuno 921 Forged and HMPro combo , good idea or not
I think a lot of golfers would enjoy a blend of HMP, forged and tour irons but the lofts make it seemingly impossible. Suggestions please
Maybe HMP 1 degree weak, forged at standard, tour 1 degree strong? I think you'd be pretty close then, right?
How would you compare 921 forged to apex pro 19s?
As a 919 Hot Metal Pro player, I’ve always wondered how significant the change would be moving to the 919 Forged. I guess I’m interested in the same comparison with 921. Having said that, the 919 Hot Metal Pro with my Zelos shafts are perfect for me. If I’d had these 15 years ago I’d have been a high single digit player.
What shaft was Ian using?
Thanks
Great interactive Product test Guys, just the Best!
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I'm curious to see how the HM Pro compares to the Callaway Apex Pro. I wish I was on to ask for a comparison when you were live.
Apex pro is a players iron. Pros like Xander Schauffele and Phil play them. HM Pro is a mid handicap iron. Apex vs HM Pro would be a better comparison
Any tests coming down the pipeline on the new Mizuno golf balls.
I am at a crossroads in my game. As my swing has improved the current shafts I have are to light (86g recoil F4 780). I'm am weighing new sticks or shaft replacements. Current heads are Ping G400. In my research replacing shafts with steel vs my graphite would be around $75 give or take installed. That gets me about halfway to a new set. Any thoughts?
Keep your Pings for when your older and for tthe begining of next season. Unless your looking for forged irons, suggest use the monet for New level MODB-1 irons; www.newlevelgolf.com/online-store/MODB-1-Performance-Irons-p160238812
@@drobster100 Actually went with forged PXG 0311's in December. i love them
So 31 degrees in Mizuno 921 Mizuno forged. If I weaken the loft 2 degrees. What does that do to offset? Taylormade 770 is 33 degrees.
Less offset when weakening
I retired 5 yrs ago and then got leukemia, after treatment I have lost 30 yards on my long irons and woods, what clubs do you recommend to get some of that back? I’m particularly interested in the mizunos. By the way I’m about a 15 handicap
certainly, the 921 HM sounds like it would help!
Have been playing the forged 919 for two years now from a hcp 16 down to a 6. I’m very happy with the irons but think to swith to the tour iron, what would you recommend? Are the tour much more difficult to play?
I'd stick with the forged.....perhaps test the tour, if you can
Combo.
DocWilly77 not a big fan of combo...
Do you know an adjustment for a mavrik standard to help with a right shot as a righty. Not a slice more of a push
I’m a lefty and have an XR, but I struggled with a straight push, as well with the face in the neutral setting. I would probably hit the ball 35 yards or so offline from time-to-time. I simply moved the face to the draw setting and the big left miss is gone. You probably have some weights to play with, too. Don’t know if the Mavrik has moveable weights, but maybe try moving the heavy weight to the heel and the lighter one to the toe.
Also, with shaft sleeve, I think changing the loft also slightly changes the face angle relative to your target. So it may be a combination of playing with the loft and face angle. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think delofting tends to open the face and adding loft tends to close the face.
Is there much difference between jpx850 forged and the 921 forged? I’m looking at forgiveness?
Hello...I am from India ,I am interested in buying jpx 921 irons in graphite shaft and the stock shaft is Mi-1-55 regular or in stiff,my concern is about the shaft could you let me about the space of the shaft is it good or bad in long term usage...thanks
Felt the 919 Forged blade length was a bit long...is the 921F shorter.?
Really wanted to like 919, really want to like the 921
Blade length appears the same to me on the 919 forged to 921 forged. But the 921 has a thinner top line
Just found out TXG is Canadian after watching many of your videos lol I'm only an hour away
Hello, what would you advice to change my mp64 ? ( 7 handicap) forged or tour?
I would go tours for you, with my limited knowledge. And not knowing your ball striking
what is the model of shoes Ian is wearing ?
Will the XP 95 shaft be available in the 921s or would it be the Elevate shaft?
XP 95 will be available, not sure about Elevate.
@@ianfrasergolf Thank you!
Currently playing 919 forged and struggling with 6-4 iron. Drop off in distance and forgiveness. Would 921 hm pro pw-7 and hm 6-4 be an option? Love my wedges and I game 50 55 and 60 would that also interfere with the wedges switching... thanks for the content, really intersteing and insightful 👏
Wow, what a marathon. I feel like I've just been thorough a full iron fitting. Even without a personal, final recommendation, I feel I know which head model would work best for me if I were in the market for a set of new Mizunos 👍
31:07 is when the JPX discussion starts
Currently using mp5’s 3-pw but considering 921 forged 4-pw and a hot metal pro 4 iron bent to 3 iron! Can they grind the number 4 to avoid confusion
Use a different color paint fill in the one that you bend to a 3 iron loft.
Ian's iron swing sure looks good on this Live Stream
Thanks Michael, it’s a work in progress.
Does anyone know if they matched the finish on the SELs or if they left the 6-G as matte and the 4-5 chromed?
They match.
Could you guys do a full video of the JPX 921 forged vs. P770
I need this too. Might be the same when I go for a custom fit
I recently got fitted for Mavrik Pro irons. I've loved in extra 15 yards of carry compared to my old irons, but I'm not a fan of my much lower ball flight. It has become very hard to get any kind of distance gap in my 4-5 irons. My thought is with a bit higher ball flight they will carry out to the proper distance. If I went and got my long irons bent 2 degrees weaker is there a material difference in the bounce it creates? Will it be harder for me to get the leading edge under the ball if I already struggle with thin shots?
Ok if txg could only offer one line, would it be new taylormade or new mizuno?
Irons only
Beware. The 8-Gap are not chromoly in the jpx 921 forged. They’re 1025E. I just received my set. I feel pretty misled by this. Contacted mizuno and they said that’s the way they were designed.
Why is the jpx 921forged lofted irons not chromoly
Seems to me every one that hits the 921 HMPro on the youtube videos goes WOW....and then they go WOW over and over again. Then they say they are going with the forged...I don't get it?
I notice that at 1:56:04 you have put the middle dots between 4-5 grove. Accordin to the Foresight manual I should put them between 6-7 grove. I have a set of 919 Tours and put the dot between 6-7 grove. Is that to high up in the face? According to Foresight manual they should be between 6-7 grove. But I guess that changes between club models? I always get s 4-6 toe down and low in the face hits. Even that they are horizontal good the vertical often 6-9 mm low in the face.
Have I put the middle dots in the wrong place all the time?
The middle two dots represent the CG versus the middle of the club.
@@clubchampionmedia So were should I put my middle dots on my JPX 919 Tours? As foresight say in their manual or like you have to get the correct readings?
You guys are going to make me broke 😂😂
I like the JPX 921. Got it over the Titleist.
Also just noticed he said new iblade. Any news on a I210 replacement?
Nothing new till 2022
@@clubchampionmedia Quit working so late on a sunday.
So if i have the 919 Forged, is it worth moving to 921s?
Yes I would definitely say so!!
No
did you mention bounce angle ?
Not specifically.
The clean sleek look of the P770's would be my choice but I would never buy based on looks or feel.. all performance here!
👏🏻👏🏻, smart man!!
Kbs tour vs kbs c-taper shafts
Snell Mtb x has higher iron spin then the Mtb black.
Correct. We have that video coming later this week.
Struggling.... JPX921 Tour or Apex Pro?
Watch out getting the jpx tour they spin like hell actually on the course. Try out the x forged cb in callaway it was between that and the jpx921 forged pull the trigger on the 921s the misses where just so much more consistent!
@@damonrabon8388 Good to know! I actually have narrowed it down to a few others! I am loving the King Mim Tours, 770’s and have an eye to try the Callaway x forged cb. None of the 921’s felt right to me :/ - quite sad about that but what can you do ha
I stopped buying Mizuno irons after they started adding boron to the metal. I love Cobra and have the F9 driver and fairways. Recommend watching James Robinson's "I was wrong" or similarly named vlog with him and a friend playing a few holes. The friends 770s sounded so nice while James struggled with the 7MC irons. I used to have Cobra Amp irons that had that OMG perfect sound. If I was trying Callaways, I would see if the sweet spot was bigger than the X forged irons were. For irons I am a New Level Golf guy for life it looks like, btw.
When I caddied for a pro I tried to hit his Titleist blades with stiff shaft. felt like I was swinging a telephone pole. If you don't hit the sweet spot it's a disaster. the average golfer wouldn't benefit from hitting blades.
Why do shaft options in Europe su** sooo much? Honestly, while in the USA I can get basically any shaft/head combo, there is no chance in Europe. We need golf to be a little more mass sports like in the states...