Upgrading lead acid to lithium storage | Destroyed my $1000 BMS |

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  • Upgrading an old offgrid battery bank from Lead to Lithium. Next morning the guy called me and said. "I could cook toast this morning...." it's a little thing that he couldn't do before the 18650 DIYPowerwall upgrades! Really made me smile.
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  • @BrunoPOWEEER
    @BrunoPOWEEER 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Yeaaahhh I can’t believe how fast you are, you installed everything in less than 12 minutes!!! Electricians would be jealous!!
    Nice watching you getting out and making some different fun projects helping people out!!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      12 weeks more like it lol I want to do this stuff more and more - pitty it's a two hour round trip - there are so many more projects i can do out there. HWS is next

    • @Kammfrank82
      @Kammfrank82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HBPowerwall Love your videos but you have way to much time in those batteries, Lipo from the Ford EV is the way to go, or similar battery, each of my batteries are 3.7 volts at 27ah and have 150 amp discharge rate. Only positive i see with those is the stuff they are making for the 18650 is getting better, like wall mounts and holders. With all that said, i still like playing with my free 18650 batteries lmao

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If i had access and finances to buy EV batteries I would in a heartbeat - but this project fits with my wifes budget lol

    • @user-zj2mb3sp3x
      @user-zj2mb3sp3x 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall How much money per KWh are you spending when you build these 18650 packs? On ebay Salvaged Volt, Bolt and other similar batteries are selling for really really inexpensive compared to cell prices I've seen.

  • @jasonflt
    @jasonflt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    really love the setup. complete wiring diagram and list of parts would be awesome as well. Awesome job Pete!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sure - that'll be next after the HWS video :)

  • @ratheonhudson3311
    @ratheonhudson3311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the step by step video. I'm actually aiming to update my SLA battery bank to a Lithium power wall similar to this. Yours looks very neat with the custom wire length and breakers. Mine is a 48v array and I harvest 53v at 16amps at 1.31killowatts. Small but it powers plenty. I just need a bigger storage medium. I really need to buy a Batrium monitoring system to gauge what's going through

  • @RASHiDALi143
    @RASHiDALi143 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I much pleasure to see clean work and use pure technical electro parts.wow

  • @SidebandSamurai
    @SidebandSamurai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really love your channel. I am looking forward to all future videos. Especially when you process your cells from laptop batteries to your power wall I would like to see the the step by step process from shucking (though I have seen your shucking videos already) the cells, to testing to building the pack. I would also love to see how you build the power wall brackets. Anyway Thank you for your hard work ... or is it work, maybe you just play around with stuff all day and call it work :-) Thanks again!

  • @darrenbenson2606
    @darrenbenson2606 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great looking setup!!! Don’t feel bad about the Batrium, I know everyone who does anything electronic has seen the magic white smoke more times than they will omit to. Thanks again for all your help,time, and information. The video on the new Batrium BMS you did is better than most commercials on TV.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Magic white smoke needs to be released it's a right of passage lol

    • @dennisyoung4631
      @dennisyoung4631 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Pphhhfffftttt!*
      Yes, I’ve seen it a few times.

  • @rilufuzz
    @rilufuzz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You and Jehu are always my goto for this kind of stuff. Your content is top notch!!

  • @douglundy5755
    @douglundy5755 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hats off to you for sharing your mess up. been there, done that. thought I was connecting two 6v batteries in series and was actually shorting out the whole battery bank and melted the terminals off them! surprisingly easy to fix with a stud drilled into the post but it happens.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep mistakes are part of my learning. Sucks but it happens

  • @bitterrotten
    @bitterrotten 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you’re accepting small criticisms, I would tie down those blue and red cables from the battery banks near the enclosure. If something heavy falls down and catches those cables, there’s a chance they’ll pull out of the screw clamps and make turn the inside of the shed into a pretty sparkler. (Never trust horizontal cable runs).

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      will do!! Doing it better is key! also have to install the shunt trip in that position so that'll take some horizontal real estate out of the equation

  • @frankz1125
    @frankz1125 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking good. I cant wait until Im up and running. Thanks for sharing

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How far off are you?

    • @frankz1125
      @frankz1125 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall 1/3 almost. Check my vid. I posted it yesterday😁

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Checked out/ subed/ & commented :)

    • @frankz1125
      @frankz1125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HBPowerwall Thanks brother.

  • @B-SPEQ-BE
    @B-SPEQ-BE 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing install mate. Thumbs up from the uk.

  • @jimginnyohio
    @jimginnyohio 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice job Pete. He will be much happier with the lithium!

  • @ChileExpatFamily
    @ChileExpatFamily 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really love this video. I have AGM batteries and wish so much I could have the 18650s here in Chile but it is a hard thing to find. So it is too bad you do not sell them! Jim in Chile.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      International shipping would be killer and kinda goes agains the whole recycling/environmental thing we are doing with them.

  • @ahaveland
    @ahaveland 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job Pete - so satisfying to see one of your babies doing good...
    Seriously chunky cables there!
    (I think I would have left them a little long with a loop instead of cutting exactly to length, in case the boxes need rearranging later!)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wanted to do this one as 'right' as possible - sparkie should be out in a few days to do all the final connections and move the breaker panel from the house to the battery shed.

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall Look forward to seeing final results, just don't forget to do an update video!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will do for sure!

  • @xxxratixxx
    @xxxratixxx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great i like what youve done
    Helping out other people super good keep the good work up

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's been enjoyable!

  • @batterydiy7297
    @batterydiy7297 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good Job mate !!! 👏👏👏

  • @rohanwilschefski2549
    @rohanwilschefski2549 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video mate.

  • @default1647
    @default1647 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice setup for off grid :)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Works very well so far but only in service 3 months (it took a while to edit lol)

  • @bradleykaufmann5510
    @bradleykaufmann5510 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, do you have any photos/schematics of your parallel group design? Is each cell individually fused to the busbars on the positive end? I'm trying to find a sturdy safe design for 160p groups. These looks nice.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This video explains these ones i made - th-cam.com/video/QmFlyFwP8nY/w-d-xo.html

  • @wxfield
    @wxfield 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazed at how flexible those large gauge cables are. I don't think I have stuff that flexible here in the 'States.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use fine strand welding cable. Its flexible by design, can carry 300amps continuous & is only $10/m here in australia so it's affordable & easily accessible. Would be nice if it was red and black tho

  • @arlissyoung8899
    @arlissyoung8899 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice....Very well done! Don't feel bad about the mishap, if makes you feel any better I burnt up a brand new K-Weld. The sad part I had the case for it sitting right there in front of me, got lazy and in a hurry the next thing I knew, ZAP.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It happens :( But moving on if I get another 100k more views on this video I'll be able to replace it lol

  • @JohnSluderPhoto
    @JohnSluderPhoto 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work, impressive

  • @adamcecere3369
    @adamcecere3369 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That would hurt when you blew up the longmons and watchmon. I guess we can learn from that is to not get too comfortable and triple check our work. 10kw is a lot to have lying around. You must have built quite a number of packs.
    You do make is look easy, the way you make all the cabling. I quess the right tool for the right job make a difference.
    Good job again Pete.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      there are countless hours of redoos in this video.. really wanted it done well.. now i want to redo it all over again after the hotwater went in lol

  • @boostergold9160
    @boostergold9160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this dude can wire my house anytime if I ever covert to solar

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'll blow stuff up for ya lol

  • @korishan
    @korishan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't worry about it Pete, sparky happens 😜
    I think we've all done that "doh!" moment when we plug it in incorrectly. Live and learn, buddy, live and learn.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      i don't like doh moments that end up like that ....

    • @korishan
      @korishan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall Yeah, nor do I. Especially the expensive kind. But it's very nice and humble of you to have posted this mistake and your feelings on the matter for others to learn 😎😉

  • @bostjantrancar9605
    @bostjantrancar9605 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome job.....👍😎🖖

  • @thezzxc9904
    @thezzxc9904 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice job!

  • @thisismyname8627
    @thisismyname8627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Remembering that time you shared that meme:
    "People are shocked to learn im not a very good electrician"
    But im certain this wont be an issue haha

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I didn't do any 'electrician' stuffs lol refuse to touch 240v I don't want to die!

    • @boblewis5558
      @boblewis5558 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall Ah! So THAT'S why such low volts! Too many cells in parallel for a config with second hand cells, even with individual fused lines. Jehu Garcia seems to have a much better method of building power walls. And by the way you die MUCH more easily with DC than AC - the current never gets interrupted on DC shocks. That's probably another reason to use 48 volts though right? 192 volts DC is more my idea of getting power from multiple batteries - just like my pro Riello 6kVA UPS! I can run universal power tools or any universal motor directly off that with no conversion and ampage losses.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@boblewis5558 Jehu's is fantasitc for small jobs, but sucks for scale - seen many more issues with his packs than are public. BUT they are VERY good for small packs don't get me wrong - my next battery is bigger again and I will be adding another 1200 cells soon to this battery. It's been in service for almost a year now and is still super strong with out any signs of issues. Going to pull it out of service and retest each pack and see how it's holding up properly.

  • @nicolaskahn3996
    @nicolaskahn3996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Merci pour cet exposé théorique, beaucoup de personnes ont les mêmes réflexions avec le même genre de matériel, mon avis est que le réchauffeur me semble compliqué à mettre en oeuvre, dans ton exemple il ne dispose que de très peu de volume d'eau et pas de circulation donc quand la résistance va être alimenté je pense que l'installation va très vite se trouver en surpression, je pense que la solution la plus évidente serait de la mettre dans le ballon, chez moi avec un 300l quand il est à température de moyenne c'est 2.7 kwh par jour à gagner donc pas tant que ça pour une installation de 3kwc qui peut produire 15kwh en été.

  • @TRYtoHELPyou
    @TRYtoHELPyou 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding!!

  • @jorgealeman1922
    @jorgealeman1922 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    lately i been wanting to learn how do do this and been wanting to build
    something. im JUST starting. helped clean a hoarders house which had 2
    kobalt 80V lawn mower batteries which never saw use and degraded just
    sitting in that rate hole. of the 40 cells i got 20 in good "physical"
    condition.
    before i even bother testing charger discharging ( and
    buying all the relevant equipment) i need to start stocking up to make
    it worth my time. any suggestions for where i can acquire sources? this
    weekend im going to ask around at local Lowes/Home depots and see if
    they are willing to allow me to give some of these battery packs a
    second life.

  • @ILoveOpenSourceSoftware
    @ILoveOpenSourceSoftware 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Pete. Thanks. I really appreciate your videos. I have a question or a request even. Could you elaborate, why you use a charge controller, when your inverter can charge your batteries as well (maybe you can go over that in a video???)? I have my first 7 packs ready and want to go ahead with ordering an inverter but I want to understand why you use a charge controller instead of the inverter to charge your packs. Thanks!!!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use the MPP Solar PCM60X charger controllers cause they work! That's not an affiliated linked or sponsored comment it's the fact they really do work and stood the test of time. Its Heat... in summer it gets a touch hot over her in Aussie land so keeping head separate to the inverters is a great idea when an air-con gets left on for days and days at a time along with the normal house loads and cooking. THAT said it would be more efficient to use the internal charge controler as it's much more efficient as the PIP inverters will use solar power first so there is less energy 'inverted' so to speak. NOW this setup it's because of the limmited size of the PWM charger controller in the PIP2424HS & those fans are a touch too small for that unit.

    • @ILoveOpenSourceSoftware
      @ILoveOpenSourceSoftware 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HBPowerwall thanks for your response. So if I understand you correctly it is not necessary just recommended because of environmental conditions in Australia. I will try without and should I experience issues with heat I can integrate a separate charger. Thanks again for your feedback. Greetings from Canada.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's an all round versatile unit that I trust so much of the rubbish others push (and my self in the past) isn't tested properly and just there for aff clicks don't care what happens in six weeks time.. It's time to change that train of though and do better where possible

  • @alfguimaraes
    @alfguimaraes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work man! It sucks right at the end you blow it up!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure did lol But it has changed my mates life with how well it works

    • @alfguimaraes
      @alfguimaraes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall Cool man! aways nice when it works out at the end!

  • @mjpbase1
    @mjpbase1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm curious. Why the PCM60x as opposed to using the charge controller built into the PIP? Capacity maybe?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Heat is a big reason but that inverter is 4 yr old and only have pwm controller and 30 amps max at 60v or something. So not efficient

    • @Kammfrank82
      @Kammfrank82 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very good point, mine has that even the capacity is measured, but it's a programmable mppt, only thing i like is the read out he has on the laptop.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My newer pips have the same ability as the PCM60X but still prefer to keep them separate

    • @mjpbase1
      @mjpbase1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, a PWM charger is much less desirable. Mine has a built-MPPT charge controller. One advantage to using a built-in charger is efficiency. Solar can be converted directly to A/C within the PIP on demand (when solar is available). Sorry about your Watchmon, by the way.

  • @mmtruckingllc657
    @mmtruckingllc657 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative and helpful,, great video!
    By the way, it means that you are still human..... Big deal, ppl make mistakes lol,,, God bless you and your family!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I appreciate that!

  • @johnjamce1146
    @johnjamce1146 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great to see you help a friend. why a you afraid of the ac power lol

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its not legal to diy 220v in Australia

  • @user-th6se5xw1v
    @user-th6se5xw1v 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you explain the relationship between the solar charge inverter thinking it is charging a lead chemisty and how the batrium deals with that? Does the batrium know to feed dummy voltage data back to the charge controller to get it to back off etc?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      charger controller is set to 4v per cell - so 0.2v under it's max safe voltage also CCCV is turned off. Has worked for me for 4 years so far. Batrium doesn't control the inverter at all. But does take care of balance and hws, & soon the shut trip will be fitted to stop all charging & discharging if there is a high/low or hot/cold issue with the batteries. There are 18-20 temp sensors in this setup.

    • @user-th6se5xw1v
      @user-th6se5xw1v 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall thanks for the detailed response!

  • @AveRage_Joe
    @AveRage_Joe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn Good Video Man!!! BOOOOOOOM💥💥💥💥🤘

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      THANKS JOE!

    • @BrunoPOWEEER
      @BrunoPOWEEER 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AveRage Joe soooo much POWEEEEEEEERRR ohhh yeaahh

  • @VideoStefan17
    @VideoStefan17 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the humble feeling you may had after the break. if i srew something up and curs, i let it all out and after that i am humble again and start over and laugh about myself.. "stupid me".
    :)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Took me two weeks to go back after that mistake i was so embarrassed and angry at my self. Poor guy needed to use the generator for two weeks cause i didn't want it running without bms

    • @VideoStefan17
      @VideoStefan17 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall i am feeling you - may bring him some beer? keep up the good work mate!

  • @youchap
    @youchap 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you have to change the floating voltage on the inverter for this?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not using the inverter charger (yet - but you set the bulk & float to the top charge voltage - Currently it's 28v and working well still. Heading out this weekend to finish an upgrade and pull those batteries to test them after 12 month of service

  • @offgridd
    @offgridd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done! (not the toasting part though)
    Did your own bms survive.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blew the ass out of the bms unfortuntally...

  • @CHloras
    @CHloras 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello HBPowerwall. This is first video, where i noticed that you are using metal plates instead of fuses on the cells. Why? How about fuses? Thank you.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Faster as trying to build the battery much faster, working well almost 12 months later

  • @skoto.power.systems
    @skoto.power.systems 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So sorry about the BMS

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Don’t me sorry lol all my fault. As long as I don’t do it twice I’m good.

  • @randomsaga21
    @randomsaga21 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can a 12v 100w solar panel charge a 24volt battery? What fuse can i use, and if i only use it for a 35 watt gadget, can i use it 24/7 without unplugging it. Please simplify. Thanks

  • @bhajansradioguyana7381
    @bhajansradioguyana7381 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what is the name of the tip you crimp on the fine wires

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The are Bootlaces or ferrules ebay.to/2GJRtNI

  • @LithiumSolar
    @LithiumSolar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Really sucks about the Batrium though :(

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree but never minds - what is done is done..

  • @vovuong8276
    @vovuong8276 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    so beautiful.!!!

  • @jimthvac100
    @jimthvac100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The thing about these small cells in a large pack is if one cell goes bad how do you find it or replace it. I am thinking it is much easier to build packs using larger cells that are now available. Building packs with hundreds of 18650 cells seems tedious and unnecessary this day and age.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Don't forget i started this process 4 years ago. 18650 cells scale perfectly from 4 cells to 40,000 cells. Anyone from any economic group can build this to suit their needs from a led light to do home work in a remote town in Africa to a whole house setup because I can in Brisbane Australia. New large scale cells come with a high price tag that limmits their ROI.. My time is spent well building these. DIY is diy for a reason.

    • @ryzenuser0141
      @ryzenuser0141 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      hi! my understanding is, there is an upside of using a zillion small cells in parallel instead of larger, more expensive units. when a few of these smaller capacity cells get weaker you wouldn need to find and replace them immediately coz overall you'll lose a fraction of an amp with a few weakened cells in a pack of hundreds of them. with time when your pack's cell death rate hits double digit percentage or overall capacity becomes too low only then you may need to rebuild.

  • @QuantumBraced
    @QuantumBraced 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:25 Pardon the dumb question, but why do you have a breaker on both the positive and negative? (I know this video is old)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Apparently thats what you're meant to have... so I just run with it

  • @Dutch_off_grid_homesteading
    @Dutch_off_grid_homesteading 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    heya that is a very good upgrade to bad you blow the batrium

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Update - new batrium still running

  • @user-sf1yo9cc9k
    @user-sf1yo9cc9k 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very​ Good​

  • @spokehedz
    @spokehedz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Raise a glass for that guy's morning toast.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Filled with milk naturally

  • @elcreador6675
    @elcreador6675 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excelente 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴🌎

  • @markajoseph1980
    @markajoseph1980 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I ask why did you used 2 single mcb's and not a double pole mcb

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because that's all I had, upgrades will come with time.

  • @jayzayas3425
    @jayzayas3425 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I’m New to this and am learning little by little but those little batteries can store up to 10kws which is 10,000 watts right?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      watts has nothing to do with kw - watts usage, kw is storage..

    • @jayzayas3425
      @jayzayas3425 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes but 1,000 watts is 1 kw is it not? So if I’m doing math calculating how many watts i use in my home that will define how many solar panels i need right or wrong?

  • @DeanZ
    @DeanZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why you use PCM60X and 24v MPPSolar (this one also has a built-in charger??) ?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It does, but was very low input from memory, PCM60X is an outstanding unit and that PIP2424HS over heated with just a 2000w load for 10 min, ad an SCC to the mix and it renders the inverter useless. NOW that i never used the internal charger that inverter is still running today.. Must be something to my thinking

    • @DeanZ
      @DeanZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall is this model better for all in one? www.ebay.com/itm/GK-3000w-24v-Solar-inverter-230v-80A-mppt-solar-charger-PV-input-500vdc/163718879615?epid=20032787170&hash=item261e67d97f:g:bckAAOSwNWdc9dUd

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes that one rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FGK-3000w-24v-Solar-inverter-230v-80A-mppt-solar-charger-PV-input-500vdc%2F163718879615%3Fepid%3D20032787170%26hash%3Ditem261e67d97f%3Ag%3AbckAAOSwNWdc9dUd&campid=5338572907&toolid=20008 works much better and it's what this has been upgraded too now

    • @DeanZ
      @DeanZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall For start I would only have 3 solar panels (store.bisol.com/premium-mono-305-wp-187.html)
      Open voltage for one panel is 41v (41V x 3 panels serial = 123V only ???).
      MPPT range is 120-450V. Is this enough just for very sunny days or even shady ones

  • @TheGrimshaw
    @TheGrimshaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question, how come i didn't see any BMS in that system? Am a little new to this.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Umm there is a www.batrium.com bms... i even blew one up in the process of installing it

    • @TheGrimshaw
      @TheGrimshaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall ok Thanks.

  • @42FaLLeNAnGeL24
    @42FaLLeNAnGeL24 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey from the video u said u installed 14 250watt panels on the pcm60x thats 3500watts of solar. From the pcm60x manual its 3000watt charge controller... how does it deal with the extra wattage.... also from the manual it says its a 60amp charger so if you are charging a 24v battery you would only get alittle over 1500watts charging capacity from the pcm60x therefore you are never going to get the full 3500watts from the solar panels you are only getting half. Am i correct in assuming this is so? And if so why did you set up the system this way? Could have split up the panels between the pcm60x and the pip and you would get closer to the 3000watts charging power....

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We have since moved some solar over to the pip inverter but all the panels lay flat on the roof and there is massive shading during winter

    • @42FaLLeNAnGeL24
      @42FaLLeNAnGeL24 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What was the max the pcm60x was giving you when you had the 3500watts connected? I am looking to do almost the same setup and was wondering if the pip and the pcm60x could handle 1620watts each... on a 24v setup

  • @johnmabbott7420
    @johnmabbott7420 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you might put drip loops next time, might save the day in a bad rainy day and a leaking roof ?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The change of getting water in that area would be so slim, but couldn't hurt for sure.

  • @dylanc9275
    @dylanc9275 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was enjoyable & thanks for tunning in .

  • @richardriehle4159
    @richardriehle4159 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    sweet setup . fried batrium loss come out of your pocket?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It did, It hurt ... three times - blowing it up, telling the wife - then paying for new one :(

    • @richardriehle4159
      @richardriehle4159 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall oh sh!t !!

  • @javinwesley3449
    @javinwesley3449 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you looking for Panasonic’s 18650’s ?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always looking for cells

  • @jtveg
    @jtveg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:03 What is the purpose of the shunt and how is it being monitored if the input to the shunt only goes from the solar controller straight to the inverter and nowhere else? Isn't the purpose of the shunt to be able to measure battery charging current? This means you'd need to measure the voltage across the shunt itself, right? Is there a wire I can't see or am I missing something?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The shunt is for the Batrium BMS, takes care of all the SOC of the battery between solar, battery, inverter .

    • @jtveg
      @jtveg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall
      Yes but it can't physically do that unless there are wires on each side of the shunt going to the BMS. Where are they, especially the wires on the left side of the shunt. I can only see the thick wires going from solar to inverter. There is no wire going to BMS.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      they are connected I assure you :) useless if they weren't - support.batrium.com/article/207-video-shuntmon-installation-hardware-and-software

    • @jtveg
      @jtveg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall
      Aha! In the video I couldn't see those green plugs that go into the side of the shunt.
      Thank heaps for the link.
      All good. 😉👌🏼

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      no worries !

  • @srdjan272able
    @srdjan272able 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any video how you make power banks?

  • @dtec30
    @dtec30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    rip the bms but kudos for giving your mate a hand Pete

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can't wait to get back out there to do an update video, this video was stared months ago lol

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall oh am i that far behind ?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not behind i am in making videos cause i need to pay the mortgage lolz

  • @haythamabdalsattar2947
    @haythamabdalsattar2947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Batruim bms has a problem in the connection wiring. They need to improve to make it more simple and safe.
    I hope you contact with batrium team to solve wiring issues

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wired it wrong no issue on their part.

    • @ursodermatt8809
      @ursodermatt8809 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HBPowerwall
      well yes, you wired it wrong.
      however batrium probably mostly sells to the DIY market. so it would certainly be an improvement to make the connections fool proof. also the colour coding markers cannot be seen from all angles.
      average joe destroyed his batrium control board, now you. and i am sure there are many others.

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I guess if their product was in the millions of units not the 100s it would be cost-effective - but I can buy directional tires put them on the wrong side and it's not going to change how they make the tyres.

    • @ursodermatt8809
      @ursodermatt8809 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HBPowerwall
      when average joe wrongly connected the data cables and the batrium control board blew,
      they changed something so it would not do that anymore.
      if it is designed from ground up to not self destruct, i don't think it would cost them all that much.
      it is very easy to wrongly connect. it just happened to you, it happened to average joe and you guys are by far not the least knowledgeable guys.

    • @Dust599
      @Dust599 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ursodermatt8809 You cannot make things idiot proof, especially when you make your own cables!

  • @entingbotyok4385
    @entingbotyok4385 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    where did you get your 18650?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      From here is a good place to start but depends where you are located - www.batteryhookup.com/?rfsn=1822285.c32dc5 use code 'diypowerwalls' :) if your not in USA let me know and i'll share links from anyone i know in your area

  • @painanasuddho6396
    @painanasuddho6396 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think you can provide your wiring diagram in pdf file?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      that would be too much effort - but if i get the urge i'll take a look at doing it.

  • @pleaseanthony2344
    @pleaseanthony2344 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do you get your batteries

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      bit.ly/2NlJqdL (Coupon code: "Powerwalls" will save you an extra 10%

  • @mondotv4216
    @mondotv4216 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid Pete. Shame about the BMS but filming can be distracting. It would be nice if Batrium made the connectors polarised so each connector only fits in the correct socket. Make them “Pete” proof ;)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've done this 100's of times - I stuffed up, simple....

  • @reyes2009
    @reyes2009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the pip doesn't solar charge?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It does yes, but adds too much heat to the inverter so don't use it by choice

  • @saidkhan-cn6ey
    @saidkhan-cn6ey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good

  • @OverUnity7734
    @OverUnity7734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:24
    There would be less resistance if you used solid silver 00 gauge wire in place of that copper 00 gauge wire.

    • @Kammfrank82
      @Kammfrank82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cost would be not worth the savings, buy another panel for the cost difference and make even more than the loss. Don't tell anyone i used 00 gauge solid gold wire, Jokin lol

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't think there is too much resistance

    • @OverUnity7734
      @OverUnity7734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HBPowerwall
      Yep, that is part of the joke.

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahaha! Good one!

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol

  • @chaplieval
    @chaplieval 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Почти бесплатная энергия!

  • @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148
    @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    No pv fuse emergency disconnect?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No fuses yet but the disconnect is the ZBenny above the PCM60X

    • @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148
      @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall legally required is a fuse pull handle

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For solar panels in Australia?

  • @jestronixhanderson9898
    @jestronixhanderson9898 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Remote monitoring coming ? I'm a freak for safety and would pop those packs into a metal case , eg she's goes up it just roasts the box, but looks like a tin shed anyway :)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      All metal shed, 1cm metal floor, mini orb metal walls - inside a shed only lined with wood where the powerwall is & 5l of generator fuel is stored lol (for now) remote monitoring is hard as every thing is steel and messes with wifi & internet is so intermittent it's useless - wind changes direction and it drops out

  • @dtec30
    @dtec30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh and hbpowerwall road trip woohoo

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      IT's a great drive way lol

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall i would like to think if i was lucky enough we would be good neighbours, pals, friends, cobba's

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The friends i've made on youtube far exceed my 'real life' friends - I need a massive property & devide it into 1acre blocks for everyone to come out and make stuffs

  • @JonOffgrid
    @JonOffgrid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool

  • @shemmo
    @shemmo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    why some cables use ducting and some not? 🤔

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A few weeks later another bunch of batteries were added but wasn't filmed

  • @anwin85alon
    @anwin85alon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    我都知道很久了…!+ - + - + - + - =240v ~110v

  • @marcio-copymaxgpi
    @marcio-copymaxgpi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👏👏👏

  • @kareemdyb7195
    @kareemdyb7195 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    جيد

  • @JoneKone
    @JoneKone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    :( Sorry for the BMS.. Always triple check all wires :) That is My motto..

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Live and learn, just don't do it twice.

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👌👍

  • @guiterman6263
    @guiterman6263 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's up dude

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nuttun much Dude....

  • @chandankumarrout4423
    @chandankumarrout4423 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you are awesome dude am I sure 🤔🤔

  • @abdulhamidismael7801
    @abdulhamidismael7801 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you please share the drawing?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  ปีที่แล้ว

      nar too hard & take too long...

  • @off-gridmountaineer4515
    @off-gridmountaineer4515 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    need help finding labtop battery everyone i have been getting om ebay have been fake one or low capacity like around 900-1200 and cant afford new one please help me fine real one and they to be afford use labtop thanks you for teaching us idiots how to build a powerwall using 18650 and not burning my house down.

  • @pleasecho2
    @pleasecho2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Total cost?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      about 2500 i think from memory

    • @pleasecho2
      @pleasecho2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall Head scratching ....the ROI is gonna be hard to figure when you factor in that neither solar panels or lithium-ion cells have unlimited life spans

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      $40,000 to bring power from 10km away... That price include panels, cable and batteries

    • @pleasecho2
      @pleasecho2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall Yikes! Guess I'll keep this project at the hobbyist level

  • @gogomacik
    @gogomacik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eek... Batrium on powered from batery side of shunt?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep... want the last thing to turn off to be the thing that could tell me every bit of information about a failure as possible batrium works from 5v to 60v so even weeks after battery has failed i can still get logs

    • @gogomacik
      @gogomacik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall i talk About shunt not fuse :)

  • @ladjkaoz
    @ladjkaoz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      is that a good or a bad wow?

  • @agentstaple1
    @agentstaple1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a great man once said, shit happens (:

  • @fredtjack23
    @fredtjack23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A few minutes to doubleverify

  • @dtec30
    @dtec30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    when you rush you are bound to get hurt

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For sure - property is about an hour away from home and my time is always limited out there. New plan is plan not to be on a time crunch!

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HBPowerwall yep there is no such thing as a 5 minute job lol took me a long time to realise that and if the job happens to be short take time to enjoy the moment or company as life is short and quality is rare

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the drive that kills me.. it's a hour each way but if you hit traffic it's an easy 2hours that's a real problem when wife has to be some where.. (in this case)

  • @sssr1987sssr
    @sssr1987sssr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Проще взять литий-железо-фосфатные батареи.

  • @zaprodk
    @zaprodk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "a my BMS" - Typo in the title :)

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how the heck did I miss that lol Thanks!

  • @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148
    @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cost of FUBAR?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      New WM4 Solo :)

    • @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148
      @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      $$$$$?

    • @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148
      @climatechangepreppersfaceb2148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Didn't you say the longmons were smoking?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yah and longmons lol But i had some spares laying around We had on order a WM4 Solo with Shunt - www.batrium.com/collections/starter-kit/products/starter-kit-watchmon-7s-longmon-shuntmon2-500a

  • @wovada
    @wovada 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very very like your chenel

  • @shadadalhaj7576
    @shadadalhaj7576 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We jealous of you hhhhhh

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't be - anyone can do it.. just takes time to gather the parts cheap

  • @micr0chap
    @micr0chap 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gravity is, potentially, the inventor's enemy. Suggestion: don't mount your battery packs vertically - lay them flat horizontally - despite conventional wisdom?

    • @HBPowerwall
      @HBPowerwall  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mounted them this way for 6 plus years - works flawlessly - saves space, looks good, easy to test, replace or repair battery.