Blood or family (Miranda's loyalty mission) | UNSPOILED Mass Effect 2: Legendary Edition | Part 13

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  • @renwraiths
    @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +21

    EDIT: GUYS I HAD NO IDEA YOU COULD GET MIRANDA TO TALK TO HER SISTER 😭😭😭 I literally thought both options were just different versions of consoling Miranda I'm so sad I misinterpreted that!!
    The amount of uploading issues I had with this!!! I have been trying for DAAAAYS but I managed to get it sorted :) Friendly reminder to keep the comments spoiler free, even little things like romances, hints about who might be in ME3, or nudges at what's left in the game 💛 I hope you're all doing well!

    • @tigermaximus8003
      @tigermaximus8003 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hi hun!;) i love the video you play!;) is my favorite game!;) listen... i just wanted to tell you something.;) the part where miranda saw her sister. i mean is your choice if you choice not for her to talk to her sister... but... if you would of chose for her to talk to her... ok... this is what happen. when miranda said to shepard. it would complicate things... shepard said. she doesnt need to know the details. but it would be soo wrong she has a sister that cares and loves her? and then miranda looks at her and saids. i gues not. almost with a smile. and then shepard saids to her. go on. we will wait here. and miranda turns to her walks towards her with that beautiful hope music.and then cut scence aproching the elevater with tears on her eyes. her sister looks at her and smiles.;) and miranda with tears. and it ends there.:). hun. that. is what would of happen.if you choose to tell miranda. isisting to go and talk to her. believe... it would of touch your heart soo much...

    • @tigermaximus8003
      @tigermaximus8003 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      believe me...:) i got soo touch when miranda when to talk to her... the music. the expresion. her sister smiling and the ending. pure gold...there was soo much healing in that ending...:)

    • @jwbuckmiller82jb
      @jwbuckmiller82jb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you have a save from before the mission and want to go replay it without recording it and then just record the end. We'll all understand and be okay. In case you want that future for Miranda and her Sister.

    • @AirwolfPL
      @AirwolfPL ปีที่แล้ว

      It's definitely worth making her talk to Oriana, but it's not like you can't make different choices in the second... third... fourth playthrough...

    • @panner11
      @panner11 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it makes it feel any better, there are a lot of legit reasons to go the direction you did. Miranda thinks staying away from her sister will help keep her safe, and keep her away from getting involved with her and cerberus. So it's not the happy ending, but you can justify it as sacrificing something with the intention to keep her safe.

  • @chrisd7047
    @chrisd7047 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you bring Jack on this mission, when Captain Enyala insults Miranda's clothes, Jack says "Ooh, I like her!," or something to that effect.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      she's so sassy i just love her!!

  • @1IbramGaunt
    @1IbramGaunt ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That's the first time I've seen someone play that mission and get Miranda NOT to talk to her sister and make Oriana aware of Miranda's existence when you'd literally just had a conversation in the elevator about how her sister is all Miranda really has now 😆 interested to see what difference that choice makes to future dialogue with Miranda now, and Miranda's story overall, as I've legit never seen someone pick that option so am curious where it'll lead

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm so curious too cuz omg if I had known we could make them talk y'all know I would've gone for that in a heartbeat!! Guess that's one of the incentives to play more than once right 😅

    • @1IbramGaunt
      @1IbramGaunt ปีที่แล้ว

      @renwraiths yep haha, part of the beauty of the Mass Effect franchise is that the story's never set in stone and that no two playthroughs are exactly the same, once you've finished it you can simply start all over again with different choices and get a whole new story. Anyways great videos and just glad you're loving the games!

  • @Aguie16
    @Aguie16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad you are able to upload it! I sent you a DM on Discord, not sure if you still wanted to continue with that! ☺️

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Running to look right now!!! 🏃 I have been SO bad at replying to my messages lately, don't ask how many texts I have on my phone right now 🤭

  • @rooski1191
    @rooski1191 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The slavery situation on Illium is interesting. The difference between slavery and employment is consent. You can say the Quarians didn’t have a choice because of her debt, but one bit of information we are missing is could have defaulted on her loans or declare bankruptcy? Because if so, then it would seem she did have a choice, and chose this path because it opens up more opportunities down the line. Its really just an employment contract with a term built into the employment contract.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I get what you're saying and it definitely is very interesting! I just don't think anything is ever gonna convince me that indentured servitude is fine even with consent (however dubious) ya know? Even with a contract it still involves taking advantage of power dynamics and I just think it's all yucky!

    • @poluticon
      @poluticon ปีที่แล้ว

      One of my questions about this is can the Quarian quit and leave if she wants and what are the consequences for her doing so? For example if I get hired for a job and sign a contract I’m free to quit whenever I want, sure there are consequences like me losing money and not getting paid but I can still leave. I’m assuming the Quarian can’t just up and leave if she decides she’s not happy with her situation.

    • @rooski1191
      @rooski1191 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@poluticon I wondered that too. I also wonder if she receives any higher learning while there. Many indentured servants, where the term was historically used, were apprentices. So you worked for someone for a certain length of time in order to learn a trade. But it sounds like she is already a skilled tech, so she is probably not getting any further education.
      It’s an interesting thought experiment, but all in all, I think I have the same opinion about it as Ren. There are too many unknowns for me to determine if it is a legitimate Avenue of social mobility, rather than just people taking advantage of the circumstances of others.

    • @poluticon
      @poluticon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rooski1191 sounds like an internship where college kids work but get college credit instead of salary.

  • @PapaTeraflop
    @PapaTeraflop ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've always sided with Miranda in taking Oriana away from her father since I first played the game back in 2010, but my perspective/understanding of the entire situation has evolved over time. Their father was - from Miranda's own words - not looking for a daughter but a dynasty, and trying to accomplish that through eugenics (very nasty business!). Oriana's entire life would have been in service of creating that dynasty and not actually for living on her own terms. Miranda knew that because that was her lived experience; she is a product of being forced to live her life for her "father's" sake. She didn't want that for Oriana at all, but especially not after she was able to live what seems to be a normal life for 19 years.
    Thanks again for these videos, Ren! Your playthrough has been such a joy to watch. Hope all is well with you!

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're so right and your perspective is so insightful. I was also thinking about the eugenics aspect of it as I was playing. It makes me so sad for Miranda that she's put in this situation and even has to make these decisions. I think the added layer of it involving her sister and Miranda's own lived experience makes it extra painful!! I'm so glad to hear you're enjoying!! And a massive thank you again for the birthday gift!! :)

    • @PapaTeraflop
      @PapaTeraflop ปีที่แล้ว

      @@renwraiths For sure! I think it says a lot about Miranda that she's taking it upon herself to do all this for Oriana despite her being unaware Miranda even exists. Miranda could have just been content with escaping that life for herself, but she knew what Oriana was going to have to deal with and put herself at even greater risk to do what she did.
      And you're very welcome! I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get around to finishing the book! ☺

  • @bplummer956
    @bplummer956 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think a lot of your questions about the Salarians would be answered in the secondary codex, Salarians: Biology and Salarians: Culture specifically.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oooh yes I'm sure you're absolutely right!

  • @jkeuwk
    @jkeuwk ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I dunno, I go back and forth on this one. It seems pretty petty if you think of it as Niket just betraying her because she didn't tell him something, but on the other hand, if he's the one who helped her escape in the first place, then that thing she didn't tell him was something he was doing. If he thought he was righting a terrible wrong he inadvertently did years ago because he was deceived, that seems a lot sadder. Not sure that's what's going on 'cos he took a big payout to do it, but still.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes that's such a good perspective!! The payout is what has me hung up too. I wanna believe he's not doing it out of purely spite but it sure does seem to point that way

    • @panner11
      @panner11 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@renwraiths I think Niket is just a character that we didn't get enough interaction to assume his intentions. Seemed like he genuinely thought taking the baby was unjust, but it also could be for spite or payment. All we got was a short convo then boom he's dead, so we'll never really know.

  • @goblinballadeer9318
    @goblinballadeer9318 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to see another episode, Ren. Can't wait to see you progress through the game. Especially can't wait to see you interact with Thane more.
    The salarian breeding and family negotiations is definitely a cultural facet I wish was explored more. We see less of their society compared to other asari and turians. It is strongly linked to political dynasties and raises the uncomfortable parallels with human aristocratic history; but given salarian penchant for science, I'd be curious to see their cultural mores also reflect questions of bio-ethics - negotiating breeding rights based on desirable genetic traits, predictive models based on ancestral accomplishments. Intriguing, if disturbing concepts to explore in sci-fi that would suit salarians perfectly.
    And, in fact, when promoting the release of Legendary Edition, the developers specifically mentioned editing out some of the "accidental" butt close-ups on Miranda LOL. Interpret those editorial decisions how you will.
    It seems like every character in Mass Effect has some sort of daddy issue. I sympathize with Miranda and agree with you. Her loyalty mission certainly helps humanize her and give her some depth. To play devil's advocate, though: she is strong-willed and prideful, making her a potentially unreliable narrator to some degree. I agree that Niket shouldn't presume to know Miranda's personal information she doesn't wish to share. I don't know if it's fair to say he betrayed her. Niket helped Miranda with what she wanted for herself and never told the father what he knew about Miranda. Miranda's upset because Niket didn't passively go along with what Miranda wanted for Oriana. Whether we think Niket was right or a complete jerk or fool, he was also trying to do what he thought would help Oriana. I'm just spit balling. Could change my opinion tomorrow lol.

  • @gregs.8252
    @gregs.8252 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The reproductive negotiation thing is really based on the life span of Salarians, more than anything. They only live about 40 years at most, and don't really do romantic relationships. It's a societal thing with their race and is the norm for them.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! Makes me so curious about what might change if they had longer lifespans

  • @scottwofford5175
    @scottwofford5175 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ren ur so badass Miranda could have met her sister but u shut that down quick 😂😂

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LMFAO I'm apparently making my Miranda suffer unintentionally 😭😂

  • @johnb7627
    @johnb7627 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I mean Miranda is my girlfriend in mass effect 2 and 3 for my character ☺️☺️

  • @sterlingphoenix
    @sterlingphoenix ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh oh oh ammo power! A few videos ago you were constantly switching ammo powers but you've not been using them at all in a while (: Incendiary ammo is pretty awesome and will make nice explosions with biotics (: I know you don't like gameplay "tips" and I'm sorry if this crosses that line.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It feels less "tippy" when it's along the lines of combos being awesome rather than saying "you should/have to/etc" so don't worry!!! I appreciate you thinking about it though 💛 As I was editing the video I was thinking about how I wanna get back into the rhythm of using ammo powers! I get excited with new powers and then focus on them but the others need love too 😌

    • @sterlingphoenix
      @sterlingphoenix ปีที่แล้ว

      @@renwraiths I did notice you using your powers more!

  • @sterlingphoenix
    @sterlingphoenix ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Ren! You've heard about Salarian "reproduction contracts" from the Salarian at the bachelor party... which I think you were just about to say....

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great minds think alike 😄

  • @texn7526
    @texn7526 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Eye spy with my little eye...a cute little 😻on somebody's lap. Super cute! How many furry little pets do you have?

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just the one kitty right now! :)

  • @MsMythable
    @MsMythable ปีที่แล้ว

    So I completely forgot about it. But are you going to finish The Quarry?

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes 100%!! I've had the last episode recorded for an embarrassing amount of time, it's just long and needs dedicated editing time! Was shooting for this weekend finishing it :)

  • @johnb7627
    @johnb7627 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And I also forgot to mention I love your characters hairstyle and colour in your gameplay my characters hair colour is blue and spiky 😄😄

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Once I get through the series I'm absolutely buying it on PC and checking out all the hairstyle mods so I can get wild with Shep's hair :)

  • @jwbuckmiller82jb
    @jwbuckmiller82jb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always take Jack on the mission. Because she has commentary. Lol!

    • @goblinballadeer9318
      @goblinballadeer9318 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jack is the best squad mate to bring on the mission just for the one line LOL

    • @jwbuckmiller82jb
      @jwbuckmiller82jb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@goblinballadeer9318 Right?! Lmao! She cracks me up everytime.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      y'all gotta tell me what she says!!

    • @jwbuckmiller82jb
      @jwbuckmiller82jb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @renwraiths when the Asari says she's waiting for Miranda to finish getting dressed Jack says "I like her. Are we still recruiting?" 🤣

  • @jwbuckmiller82jb
    @jwbuckmiller82jb ปีที่แล้ว

    You should go talk to Liara again and just ask her what she's up to. There's a second part to the data mission you started. It was the Liara mission in the base game before the Lair of the Shadow Broker dlc was released, and you'll lose it if you do the Shadow Broker mission first.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't worry I plan on it! :) I don't plan on doing the shadow broker mission any time soon (I think!) because I really wanna enjoy more of the story and iirc that's a DLC right? Feels like it would be fitting as wrap up potentially because of that. No spoilies on whether or not that's the move though hehe 😁

    • @jwbuckmiller82jb
      @jwbuckmiller82jb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@renwraiths After doing the second part of the data mission and you talk to Liara you get more information on what has been going on with her in the 2 years, and some things you find out are pretty big. No spoilers. But yeah. You will get emotional. Lol!

  • @sterlingphoenix
    @sterlingphoenix ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Speaking of Miranda's butt... the original Mass Effect 2 had a LOT of shots basically looking at Miranda's butt. There's a reason people called it "Ass Effect"... but they redid the angles for the legendary edition.

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ass Effect LMFAO I knew something felt different about the shots!! There's definitely a mod for PC that restores them isn't there 😂

    • @sterlingphoenix
      @sterlingphoenix ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@renwraiths I'm not going to check, but I bet there are mods that do that. OK I'll check. OK yes there is.
      Honestly I kind of appreciates that they removed those shots. They were a bit too in your face, as it were.

    • @AirwolfPL
      @AirwolfPL ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah yes... they did shown Miranda's butt alot in the original (non-LE game)!!! :D
      Thankfully there are patches that restore this important ass...ets cut from the LE for us PC gamers :D

  • @sterlingphoenix
    @sterlingphoenix ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG you didn't let Miri talk to her sister??? REN!!!!!!!!!

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      WAIT SHE CAN TALK TO HER? 😭 i thought both options were a no either way 😭😭😭 omg rip i’m rewinding rn

    • @sterlingphoenix
      @sterlingphoenix ปีที่แล้ว

      @@renwraiths ::laughs:: I'm sorry! Yeah, the second "Go friggin talk to your sister you doof monkey" prompt makes her go talk to her (:

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was sitting there thinking it was SO WEIRD that she wouldn't just go talk to her when they made eye contact and now I know why LOLL

    • @tigermaximus8003
      @tigermaximus8003 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@renwraiths yess hun!. if you would of let miranda chose to talk to her. it would of done alot of healing... and a beautiful healing ending.

    • @Scottie_S
      @Scottie_S ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Implications for ME3, I think...

  • @demonic_myst4503
    @demonic_myst4503 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thwy did before many ass shots of mirander were censored out when they rereleased the game as legendery edition the original game years ago had the ass shots more often but while leaving some in they censored many scenes aswell

  • @sophiaboretskaya593
    @sophiaboretskaya593 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kitty 🐱

  • @dyegorodriguez2126
    @dyegorodriguez2126 ปีที่แล้ว

    Salarians have pretty short lifespans (about 35 years or so), they don't have time for courtship and romantic love (or at least that's what Mordin says in a conversation. Sorry if I'm spoiling something) and they just arrange reproductive deals.

  • @johnb7627
    @johnb7627 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello ren my friend hope you are having a wonderful day and you're going to do my girlfriend's side mission ❤️

    • @renwraiths
      @renwraiths  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hope you're having a wonderful day right back!!! I really enjoy Miranda so far, she's very opinionated and it makes conversations with her very fun 🥰

  • @IronShaq
    @IronShaq ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah,so unpopular opinion coming up: I really can't stand Miranda. There's this "bitchy" aura around her that says "avoid at all cost". Also, I got the feeling that she wanted to save her sister not just for her sister's sake,but to comfort Miranda's own ego and just to stick it up to her dad. Granted,their dad is still a SOB but that doesn't really justify Miranda's approach. Oh,and BTW in the original ME2 there was a lot more ASSets shown,bioware changed a lot of camera angles, I don't know why tough, Samara is still in the game and there's nothing they could do about her so they couldv'e just let the other stuff alone. :D (Samara's outfit is more than revealing I'd say,you'll see it soon)

    • @chrisd7047
      @chrisd7047 ปีที่แล้ว

      They didn't eliminate every shot of Miranda from the rear, they just took out some of the more gratuitous shots. Miranda had to be an interesting character to write. She knows exactly who and what she is and how she's perceived, and she doesn't shy away from any of it, not even the uglier parts. She's a bit like a porn star who doesn't mince any words about what business she's in. Or maybe more like Black Widow but with a meaner attitude. Miranda is smart and uses every tool in her toolbelt, including her looks.
      None of that is to say that you should like Miranda if you don't. Some people are cute and fluffy, some have hard edges. Preference for one over the other is fine. All I'm getting at is that she's really pretty well written and acted, and her motivations may be deeper than you're giving her credit for. There *IS* a softer side to Miranda, but it only truly becomes visible if you romance her.

    • @IronShaq
      @IronShaq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chrisd7047 Oh,I do like hard edged characters, Jack is always in my squad. Interestingly enough,one can say she has a similar attitude,she just doesn't flaunt it. She knows what she's capable of but doesn't care about anyone else's opinion. As for Miranda's motives: Without spoilers,in ME3 she just shows up and asks us something in the middle of everything,doesn't offer help,nothing,just wants us to help her,then goes silent.If that doesn't scream entitled brat I don't know what does.

    • @chrisd7047
      @chrisd7047 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IronShaq i don't dispute that reading. It's easy to see how she'd rub someone that way.

    • @panner11
      @panner11 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's ok if you don't like her, but the way it's written, it's pretty clear she's not doing it for her own ego. She was more than willing to stay out of Orianna's life completely to keep her safe as seen in this video. Surely, someone doing it for ego would need her sister to know she saved her. Also, she doesn't go silent after her mission in me3, she joins the war effort. Sure, she doesn't join the normandy, but neither did most of the characters because EA rushed the game.