Ariel Helwani: James Krause UFC Gambling Scandal Explained - MMA Fighting
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- Ariel Helwani, New York Ric and Conner Burks give a timeline of all the events leading up to the betting scandal involving James Krause, including his appearance on The MMA Hour, and talks about the potential ramifications to the UFC and the sport.
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America is sleepwalking into a gambling addiction epidemic
Amazing watching it unfolding
And suicide.
No they aren't lmao, gambling has been around forever
@@dannyg2197 I bet it hasn't
@@dannyg2197 the regulations are so weak. Advertising on every sports programme and constantly displaying odds in game etc.
Wait and see.
America will have a generation of gambling junkies transferring their wealth to the odds makers.
I used the word sleep walking for a reason. Fact people can't see it is the weirdest thing.
Even ariel taking the draft kings blood money. Morals out the window.......
Shows like this spending hours each week discussing gambling openly.
I'm not anti gambling but the American regulations are not protecting kids from them being prayed on.
Makes you wonder if Dillashaw’s whole coach staff bet (big bucks) on him losing since they knew he went to fight with one arm
Right!!
And now he retires!!!
And right as the news broke he retired!!! The plot thiccens! Gonna be the best drama show of 2023 :)
Even if they did they were smart enough not to tell anyone because the line didn't move before his fight. The problem with Krause is that he told somebody that told EVERYBODY I mean the WHOLE TOWN and they all bet big money so even the house try to balance the odds the betters weren't bulging they contine to bet on Miner's opponent.
Wow......and he just retired.
They don’t mind you betting as long as your losing they knowingly put hurt fighters and juiced fighters in fights which will change the outcome drastically
I've had my differences with Ariel strictly in relation to fighters/fights however my respect for him has grown immensely for handling this like and adult. He dismantled both Dana and Paddy. Very disappointed in Paddy, definitely lost some fans after the pointless rant. Ariel keep up the good work! If Paddy is wise he will man up and apologise.
My thoughts exactly
Same. Like i have always been indifferent about Ariel, and actually thought he could be bias at times, but after the way he defended himself against paddy and dana I've seen how much integrity means to him. And now, although his opinions are still what they are, I see he is not bias but just being honest with his thoughts, and suddenly my respect has grown. And I'm listening to him even more
Definitely not pointless. I have a strong feeling that was planned and setup by Dana to discredit the rumors that he under pays most fighters while showering his current pet. He wanted Paddy to endorse him on this because he probably felt Paddy's fans were loyal enough to change their minds for him. They seriously underestimated his fans lol.
Dana is the biggest gambler of all. He pays Till, Pimblett, O Malley etc much more than other higher ranked fighters. Now he has a vested interest in the fighter he pays more and who earns more for UFC winning. Whole things corrupt AF.
Must have been Dana’s own bet that didn’t make it through 😂😂
Lmao "trust me, I know, they'll stop your bets"
Wow... Didn't know Krause actually said he used other ppl's accounts to bet on fights in the original interview. That seriously changes his ability to move the line single-handedly, without the discord chat... also admitted to betting on fights involving his own fighters.
He royally screwed himself in that interview...DAMN!!!
At the same time…if he was given permission to make bets…he can easily sue if he can spot the silver lining….he could possibly turn this into a massive win.
Dragging his name through the dirt to make him an example could royally backfire on Dana….every giant collapses at some point….Dana….damn son.
they don't know what they are talking about and neither do we. Too many laws that are all different in different areas. If he stopped with the UFC memo then he might be all good, but even if he stopped he could have been breaking laws he didn't even know existed. Obviously if he did anything with Minner...he is toast. Just hard to believe hes that dumb.
I'm just guessing but lots of sites set low limits for mma, esports etc. So in order to get significant money bet you have to use others. Also if your winning alot the lower those limits even further or just ban the account.
*that's 70's Show dad voice*..."dumbass"
Yup and he takes a piece of all the winnings obviously so I think he knew his guy was injured and bet the house on the other guy. Being such a big gambler you'd think he'd know he'd be caught doing that though
Krause snitched on himself big time like a dummy oh my days 😂😂😂😂😂
Yep
He spilled his guts. Its unreal
He Is the King of Self Snitching. Not a smart move . I know he is regretting this interview now. I hear the FBI is involved right now.
got stitched haha
Except when he did it, it wasn’t illegal.
Ariel’s reaction to his producer lacking on the Krause clip 💀 3:43
I was listening to it as it played in the background, I thought it froze lol. I walked over and Ariel was as confused as I. Lmao
@@chriscuts7029literally same lol
hahahahha
Great recap, been wanting to know what all happen with this situation
Yeah I was waiting for this too.
You guys are doing such a great job covering this story. I wish boxing media was just as on top of their scandals. Thanks for your hard work on this. This is my 2nd favorite sport right now and I'm against anything that hurts it.
What's your favourite?
He loves disparaging the ufc so this is perfect
Love hearts, love scars
@@jeanpull1 basketball
@@Jay-vr8it he does 😂
Excellent reporting! I totally understand all of this now including that sudden October announcement that seemed to have come out of nowhere.
Thank you been waiting for this been so lost all week
Ariel as a bookmaker for one of the biggest in the world, I can tell you the line can move without the bets being placed. Happens all the time. A mark can try come in and bet and not accept the bet and move the line because of that. I think it was dodgy as hell and some books took action but I’d say many didn’t. Dana is totally 100% right in everything he said here.
correct
thanks for sharing, learn something new everyday
Interesting. Yeah, Ariel’s question on that never actually got answered.
Imagine the UFC being questioned about their integrity, how could that even be? 🤣
This had not one thing to do with the UFC. And thier integrity is just fine.
@@michaelleinbach6249 LOL, imagine thinking the UFC has integrity, paying guys $12k, pushing out media that speaks poorly of the owner who is known for being a hardcore gambler. LOL
Imagine if Dana stopped throwing fights.
Really great coverage of all of this Ariel. Awesome job.
The breakdown I needed of all this. Thank you mma hour.
Thank you for covering this story so well, great job to the whole team.
Only entity I know of that isn't sponsored by gambling company is Khabib's Eagle FC
God willing, inshallah brother.
lets not act like its funded by good money though
@@Ryan-ys2bq totally agree man
@@GP-fx2ib People like to forget this
@@Ryan-ys2bq And what in the hell is good money? Please name an entity that is
I’m mostly only concerned with whether or not he got it in with Sanko…
Facts, Its really looks like its true.
Oh hell yeah he was hitting that for sure.
😂😂
Same. Asking the tough, hard-hitting questions here...🧐
@@bradleye660 nice and tight I bet lol
Great video. We’ve been waiting for this one lol.
I ain't go hold you. I watch that interview he had with him a couple months ago and this whole thing that's playing out now is what I was thinking in my head how he was so open about it
Apparently Krause didn't hear that the IRS hired 80,000+
new auditors. Yikes bro.
And they’re allowed to shoot you now too. Poor bastard. I feel for him.
" Gambling is bad Brotha, it ruins lives, many people loose a lot of money brotha. " - a wise man.
So is marrying your cousin but thats another story
Wasn't that wise..."LOSE".....
Dude also loves Putin.
Forcing women to stay at home is bad : Everyone with some common sense.
@@Muzzaa how is Gambling related to marrying a cousin, Pls elaborate.
This was a fantastic breakdown of the information so far
Don't usually watch the channel, but this is huge and reported fairly. I'll be tuning in regularly
ariel out here looking like vladtv 🤣🤣
The UFC doesn't have to prevent fight fixing because they just have the judges fix the fight for them. Paddy/Gordon for example.
Agree...McGregor cerrone
Very good coverage and explaining. I also didn’t know what Discord is
Dana 1 - Ariel 1. The saga is still being written to this day....to this DAY!!!
400 years!
To this day!
As someone who’s relatively new to the gambling aspects of MMA, I have 2 questions.
1: Why is it illegal for a fighter’s family to bet on them? Obviously they could have insider info but it still comes down to fight night for any of that to come to fruition, right?
2: How could they possibly enforce any sort of gambling by friends or family when all I have to do (theoretically) is tell someone not within my household to place my bet, and then cash their money and give it to me?
for number 1, I'd guess it's more about betting against them. For example, say TJ Dillashaw's family knew his shoulder had dislocated 20 times leading up to the fight and that it was likely going to dislocate in the fight, so they go bet against TJ. I def don't think fighters/coaches/family betting ON their fighter should be a problem. But for some reason, orgs see it differently (ie Pete Rose only bet for his own team to win and he's banned from the MLB Hall of Fame over it).
For 2, it depends on the odds and the wager. In the T&Cs of any gambling account, the bookmaker has the right to review and refuse the payout. They do it for things like the discovery of a glitch in a game (virtual slots). If a wager looks overly large or discrepant, they could review and investigate all associated bets.
They probably wouldn't, but for a moneyline movement like that, they may.
It's basically impossible to regulate. All they can do is mitigate the flow of insider info as much as possible.
@@MansterBear I can explain why Pete betting on his own team was a problem. Even though he bet on his team to win in games, those bets affected other games. For instance, if it’s a normal game that you haven’t bet on that’s close, but you know you’re betting on the following nights game, you may withhold players from tonight’s lineup and sacrifice winning or a comeback because you want your players to be rested for the next days game, the one you’ve bet on. You’ve essentially made decisions you wouldn’t normally have made and sacrificed win/potential win so that you could win the bet the following day. At the time, Pete Rose was a player-manager, so a huge effect on who was in a lineup. And I’m saying this as someone who thinks Rose should be unbanned and let in the HOF. I don’t know enough about MMA to guess if it’s a similar situation with regard to betting on yourself to win.
Fundamentally, prohibition doesn't work, whether it is alcohol, weed, prostitution or gambling; it usually makes things harder and more complicated than what they would've been on their own.
That said, just as a thought exercise, what could be the worse thing that happened if there was no government "regulating" gambling?
Would fights continue to happen? Would betting houses continue to exist?
Nearly 5000 members at $50 a month. Man was making bank
These niche “gurus” are popping up in everything, you have Andrew Tates 100k odd discord to smaller niche ones with 1000 subs for $10 its like onlyfans for men
Not really. The public discord had 5,000 members and was free to join. I've lurked there myself. The VIP channel on the other hand costs $50 a month to have access to. That is where James would post his picks. I believe that was about 200 members. To join you had to give out some personal information such as your phone number as they didn't want people lurking in there that they knew nothing about.
@@blueelephant4971hat’s still 10k a month not including the members who paid 2k
@@RichardEByrd-rz5hb True 10k a month for our MMA picks is not work many of us would turn down if we could get it. I wonder though what the 2k a month package offered you. That must have been to tell you which fights were fixed!
20:48-21:02. commentary over dana's answer has me dyinnnng of laughter right now
love the content Ariel thank you for the great coverage
There was a book written called tapped out by Matthew polly where he trained at xtreme couture and it talks about the openness of betting and I'm fairly sure it also talked about people betting against their team when they knew they were injured or had a bad cut etc
Dana is saying they prolly booked all the smaller action, but when big money bets were coming in they aren’t taking that action. He is talking about the casinos not the websites
This was a good listen
In a way i like the new rules… because its more than just betting on yourself to win, or lose.. the fighter can literally place a bet on himself to lose within a minute.. and probably make more money taking a dive and cashing out from the sportsbook than they would for the fight.. theres over a hundred props to choose from on every fight..
Yeah, but that only goes so on so far. And if you bet big on some obscure props on a UFC prelim, it will not remain unnoticed for long. Also, all MMA betting markets outside of the UFC, and I'd say even within the UFC prelims, are very niche. That is why this funny business was detected so fast. It probably was far too much moeny coming in on a fight, that usually would command nowhere near as much attention.
21:00 it does, oddsmakers can slash odds without accepting the bet once a big bet shows up on their radar. They get the best of both worlds, they could not only decline a large bet but also slash the odds to deter others from following trying to bet, which encourages gamblers to make their bet elsewhere.
Oh my! Imagine shady things happening around gambling!😮
The biggest problem is the MMA judges are allowed to place bets. This means the entire judging process is a fraud.
That’s wild
Wait, WTF?? Really??
No they can't lol
Just last night, Fanduel put out an “odds boost” encouraging a bet that included Anthony Davis. Ironically, Davis left the game in the first quarter with flu like symptoms. Felt dirty.
they literally gave that money back
Wow ur so smart! It’s not like they didn’t give the money back or anything
This really sucks because Kraus is very open and unaware of the legalities. This whole thing is just about controlling the business of gambling, they dont want anyone to win.
fascinating. As a Kansas City resident, I'm particularly glad that Krause has saved me the money of ever needing to buy a ticket to a live event, because the UFC sure as hell isn't coming here now. :(
I was a part of the Discord - and I can confidently say that James never picked against any of his fighters. He would often completely skip the fights that included his fighters.
Sooo what about Minner?
@@Skip-pv5lw Did he pick against Minner in the Discord?
JK might skip betting on his own fighters in the Discord, but that doesn't guarantee he wouldn't privately bet against them on a 3rd party betting account. You'll never know.
@@jonoharper4729 That’s a good point.
@@lukeyluke14 also say he picks/bets on 6 out of 7 of his fighter's to win and the 7th he skips, to others that would mean he is not confident they will win or knows. So it would shift a lot of others to bet against that pick he skipped
It's crazy to me how long this has went on without anyone putting a stop to it. You can wager as a coach on your own fighter but not against? WTF?? With the prop wagers now being so popular, I don't see any difference in an NFL coach betting on a receiver of his to catch a certain amount of passes or an NBA coach wagering on a player of his to score over a certain amount of points. Each scenario could easily be manipulated by that coach to achieve the over/under props to win that bet.
Ya and the ones who are hurt by it are the sports books, that’s why they’re coming for him now he’s making too much money on them
I just love the Draft Kings logo in the bottom right corner for the entirety of the video lol
I live in Ontario and was wondering why I couldn't bet on UFC this past weekend.
Might want to check on these judges bank accounts and hidden accounts, they would be an easy target for a betting syndicate to attempt to bribe.
In the end, THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS
When krause said he bet on moreno that pause said a lot
This whole situation is messed up from all angles, in so many ways. I started betting on MMA, almost 8 years ago, I remember thinking how easy it would be to go to a local mma gym and train for insider info. Started doing jiu jitsu at ATT in Kansas City, funny enough, one of the guys I trained with, Jeff Molina, moved onto Glory, in Lee Summit, a suburb in Kansas City, where James Krause trains, then ended up in the UFC.
It’s really sad to see whats happening. Krause is a name synonymous with mma in Kansas City. He really grew something special for local guys who want to make it to the big leagues, all that is being destroyed. Not sure where it goes from here, but the fact that every UFC fighter who trains out here will now have to move on, if they want to stay in the UFC, really sucks.
I think there are so many issues with mma gambling. Ive always thought that, just because the sport is so transparent. There are so many gyms where UFC fighters train, where almost anyone can show up, and train with one of the fighters. One of the reasons Donald Cerrone left Jackson-wink. MMA gyms don’t make a-lot of money, they’ll let anyone show up, as long as they pay their dues. They need the money. That transparency alone, puts a lot of questions on mma gambling.
Back to Krause though, I don’t think he should be the blame for all this, its been going on for a long time, on so many levels, Krause just shined a light on it. And if anyone thinks its over, it isn’t.
The only way to save mma gambling is to end it. That being said, I think if mma gambling stays, this whole situation will clean it up, a little, which might be a good thing.
Bruh..sorry you write too long wtf
@@gamebredo8880 sorry, I know reading is difficult for slow people.
Very, very good point about the transparency aspect. Corruption in combat sports has existed since their inceptions. I saw this coming a mile away, IMO it's more a coming of age story for a relatively new professional sport then it is a surprise.
@@SBGMember You had something interesting and most importantly RELEVANT to say. As opposed to telling the internet you need hooked on phonics. Irrelevant to this topic.
Yeah sort of seems like the UFC threw Krause under the bus to save their personal image and the image of MMA, which, ig is important, but for the Dana and Hunter to square the blame on Krause seems shitty
5:11 we crashed it last week, we destroyed it.😬😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Mans really did it to himself
“Pause right there.. what’s a disord channel?” 😂😂😂 I’m dead bruh
A quality piece of journalism. I'd like to see more longform explainer pieces like this. GC needs to learn to contrast his outfits though, dude looks like a floating head! A nice powder blue is what's needed.
I'm still pissed about the dillashaw fight... someone had to know about that... that's why he literally was barely on embedded.
No doubt!
No one's gonna talk about how Ariel was against banning fighters from gambling because he thought it was a power move by the UFC?
Yall sound dumb as hell hes the only reporter who actually cares about the fighters outside of how they perform in the octagon
Unrelated but come around sundown is an awesome album
@@jonoharper4729 i donno about the whole lost all credibility and integrity stuff but he did say that something like "now they're taking this away from them too"
I liked your comment because of your taste in music
Do you consider yourself "no one" because you're talking about it.
Awesome. Was looking for someone to explain this correctly!
I legit was looking for a breakdown of this a few days back
The sport is young and needs to mature, this is some of the things that needs to be addressed. I will be happy to see improvements over the next few decades
Yeah right man nice company line haha
I wonder if any of Dillishaw's boys put a fat bet down on him losing... 🤔
Absolutely. I know I would have. Dumbass should’ve went to the PI MONTHS before the fight to get that shoulder looked at.
Wasn't there another big betting scandal outside of the UFC where fights that occured a day prior than being aired and bets were being taken based on TV dates?
Nope, pretty sure something like that happened earlier this well with the PFL's challenger series though.
WSOF if I’m remembering correctly
This was so interesting to watch !
Dana has a deeper issue of him being esklmo brothers with james
He is eskimo brothers with half of Las Vegas.
Surprised the TJ Dillashaw incident wasn’t talked about more here. He came into that fight completely disabled and people knew. This is exactly the same as the Minner fight no?
Great conversation.
Now you have to wonder: how many of the judges were betting on the fights? 🧐 That would explain almost all of the downright wrong scores over the last few years.
😂 that would explain so much about Sal D’amato’s scoring
It's been fixed since day one. From what industry did the Fertittas get their money? Coffee? No. Printing presses? No. Casinos.
I think fight fixing most often takes the form of Over/Under betting. If a fighter knows he completely outmatches his opponent, he can bet Over 1.5 rounds and take it easy, play it safe until 7.5 minutes have passed.
It also allows fighters to illegally make money by agreeing to let the fight pass the midway mark while still leaving an opportunity for either competitor to win.
@@AHighlander and? That’s the point. Some of these lower tier guys get paid horrible and don’t care about risking losing or trying to cover their bets to make 2x-50x their pay
One of the things I haven’t seen discussed relative to the gambling issue is fighter pay, if you start out making 14 to show and 14 to win and fighting twice per you’re in a financial position where you can be bought off for a relatively small amount and since there are 2 people in the competition you only need to get to one person for a guaranteed fix. Similar events have taken place in college basketball where one really impactful player (although it’s much safer to get multiple players in on it) can point shave and the players were uncompensated up until very recently
That’s rediculous. No one is forcing anyone to fight. Just because you arnt making top dollar, doesn’t mean you get to cheat. Otherwise a massive majority of poor people would be breaking the law at work. I personally make less than UFC fighters and don’t break the law so idk who is forcing them to do anything.
@@kingjamesfromthekingjamesbible The point isn’t about whether it’s the right thing to do, it isn’t either way. The point is that most fighters on the roster are in a financial position where someone can offer them significantly more than they would be making to guarantee the result and still be able to profit off the result. Think about how much money it would take to buy off enough important players on a football team to fix it, the guaranteed profit of betting a fix would be wiped out by that cost. Even if you would never sacrifice your morals for money, I’m willing to bet you work with at least a few people who would.
@@kingjamesfromthekingjamesbible You should work on reading comprehension, mate.
@@ramprat5812 That’s rediculous. That’s a choice. Any one of those guys can make more doing other work
@@haldir3120 What did I misunderstand? Please explain how I am legally wrong? I think you are wrong
Derrick Minner's odds went from 37% down to 26%.
That is quite big, but hardly falling off a cliff.
I also doubt it would take a substantial amount of money for it to move so much, since hardly anyone would be betting on that fight anyway.
I agree it’s open compared to an NFL team but NFL teams are massively lucrative and the players make massive amounts per game, tons of fighters are on 12-12 or even 50-50 and a coach can’t afford those facilities and the fighter definitely can’t so the UFC did a good thing and is doing a good thing building these however, they could have a schedule and limit only fighters and a few during fight week and schedule them at different times and in separate parts of the building.
Huh
@@jameshorton3692 think he's talking about UFC's performance institute, where any fighter is welcomed to train there and held fight camps there for free... I think. Ngl, almost gotten brain damage from reading his comment.
@@carl8790 same. My head hurt trying to read it.
Let's not forget, Helwani was the one saying UFC were now taking betting, another source of income away from the fighters, and whining about how unfair that was on the fighters.
He said something like "now they're taking this away from them too".
This guy has lost all credibility and integrity imo, on his mission to "hate on the UFC and DW" at every opportunity.
And let's be honest, all the questions in the "On the nose" segment are just canned questions written by himself and his crew, so they can drive their own specific narrative.
Are you just figuring this out. There is a reason Dana dispises him. There is a reason Ali's fighters dont go to his show except for kayla Harrison. Fighters, coaches, should know nothing good comes from going to the MMA hour. Ariel is the master instigator and has lost all credibility a long time ago.
As a NBA fan I will remind everyone a NBA ref was betting on games. To a degree there’s always a risk of it
He never fixed the outcome of any game though.
Was waiting for this
This could become a huge issue for the UFC. TJ Dillashaw fought for the title with an injury as well and someone could of used this info to make money off of it.
And what is the problem with that?
That should be looked into as well
First time I see someone confessing being guilty live on an interview..you could feel as he started spiting it out he expression changed..like " I just screwed myself".
smart at mma but no street smarts he put a hole in his own boat ,. how bout make 10 to 100 million then bail out and retire in costa rica from the money machine he was running
@@themikarenolds2910 exactly.. he's a live proof of " if you wanna work your plan out don't tell anyone" he did exactly the opposite
Except it was legal when he said that.
Dummy
@@SuperBlueMoonWA yeah...legal till it was too much explicit... gambling is still something working out as rules and regulations...as the guy said probably legal from the UFC point of view but not from the law itself...but I agree it was a common place at that time..
So far it looks like Krause is the scapegoat. He's not the only coach fighter etc etc to bet on fights they have direct knowledge of. All these rules should have been put in place long before they Cut MMA loose on the betting scene. JMO
That's exactly what has happened
No one else is as open and tbh arrogant about the topic as Krause was to be honest
@@JP-rw5cd well he made a business out of it. You kind of have to be that way to push a business. Considering he was making close to 250k just off of his discord it seemed to be working.
@@netwatch7261 250k a month!?
@JP membership was 50 a month I think. If he had 5k subscribers he was making an obscene amount. Money and greed make people do dumb stuff sometimes lol
How doesn't this video have over 1 million views??
These kinds of acts are like 2 steps away from guys taking dives in fights..
In the UFC.
Going to prison is NOT Krauses biggest problem. He referred to his mentor as being the largest MMA gambler in the world... and that person wouldnt want to be identified. He will now be questioned about a lot of dangerous people and questionable activities they are involved in. They probably don't want that to take place. 🤐
I’m glad there’s starting to be some coverage on this. I’ve had my suspicions for a while that something was fishy.
Dana made you cry. That will never change no matter what lol
😂😂😂 Ariel is great at playing the victim
And yet, Ariel's in the right here.
I watched this when it first aired and couldn't believe he was speaking openly about placing bets with fighters he's coaching. Lol
Whether gambling is legal or not, it leaves the door open for a bunch of stuff.
Betting against your guys can be profitable too, especially if you know they're gonna lose for sure.
There's so many legal layers involved, as they're literally touching on as I'm writing this.
James has always seemed like a bright guy, so this shocks me he risked speaking about this openly and couldn't see the potential consequences.
Sucks for him.
I thought that was funny as well. Pete Rose comes to mind.
You can bet on your fighters and yourself but you can’t bet against your fighters that’s suspicious the Derrick minner fight is when they caught wind and they don’t know how many times they did it
Let’s talk about the Krause/Sanko scandal as well. 😬
Skankho*
@@matthewcharboneau733 Girls gotta in too, otherwise Krause a ho
Let's not. Stop acting like a woman.
She regrets cheating on her hubby with a now soon to be no one, lol. You can bet if he is found guilty, and her relationship comes to light with Krause. Her career will slowly but gradually grind to nothing with the UFC. There are a lot of more accomplished pretty women just waiting for the opportunity Laura has
Such scandal - much wow :O lol
Sorry, but it aint just one trainer.Been saying for years that there have been fixed fights in the ufc. I'm glad I'm getting some small vindication with this atory.
I wonder how Krause is going to get through this. Rumours of him having an affair with Sanko cant have helped his marriage, now he is involved in a huge criminal affair and his business / livelihood at risk. It's going to be tough times ahead for that household.
Poor guy it's a shame when you cheat and break the rules
He will be fine
When it rains, it pours.
His integrity is trash in MMA now. And being banned from the UFC completely
In life he shall be fine, but in the MMA world he will be behind the scenes coach and live off the scraps of being a faceless coach.
Charging 50 a month for picks at the low end and 2grand a month on the top end so what i wanna know is what 2grand a month was getting u from this guy
My guess is maybe the 50 a month people got only a couple picks and the 2k people got all his picks. Not sure what else the difference would be
2k a month was probably to run their account. They make more than double that with his picks and the 2k is his cut. Just a guess.
Krause on his podcast once said his discord had a lot of highly successful people in all areas of finance. He kinda said that there is a chat offering help in real estate and stocks etc. Can’t recall exactly as it wasn’t a big deal like now. But maybe the $2K/month gave you stock tips and ran your acct. Just a thought. But it’s crazy he wouldn’t think how bad this could look
The $2K is used by JK to place bets, and JK takes his cut from the nett profits, the $50 members just get selected picks.
I don’t think it should be illegal to bet on your fighters. I never understood why gambling is so regulated but then again I don’t have a problem with gambling so that could be the disconnect.
I always thought something was off with the Ngannou v Lewis fight tbh
Now I'm wondering if James bet on himself to lose his last 2 fights 😂 (tapped to arm bar and rear naked choke).
I joined this group after watching that interview with Krause. Pretty disappointed the discord is gone
Did you make any bets based on the discord?
I think, what Dana meant by saying: "Nobody took the action.", is that nobody was gonna be paid out. It is a staple part of all bookies' ToS, that if there is legitimate concern for some funny business taking place, they will reserve their right to void winning bets.
Great coverage but a couple quick nits. First, sport books (especially Vegas) are not simply trying to make money off the vig. It's not uncommon for "Vegas" to be bullish or bearish on certain bets which essentially means they are gambling. Second, lines OFTEN and USUALLY move because of the bets coming in but that isn't always the case (see my first point). This is especially true if you're looking at an individual contest in a vacuum. Lastly, the defense of "I only bet on them to win" is a terrible defense. It's still a MASSIVE advantage. If someone with inside info only bets on his guys to win (when he does bet), we can assume he only bets when he feels good about the fight and his fighter's health. To put it another way, would you want to bet against someone who knows the injury report and you don't?
I always thought Krause was smug asf since TUF. Old schh rock hold vibes although my opinion of Luke changed for the better. Much respect to him with that last fight
We’ve seen this before in the fixed 1919 World Series. Low paid, disgruntled athletes took $ to fix the series because they were paid peanuts, hated the owners, and had nothing to lose . The Supreme Court predicted this.
This exactly it’s on Dana
I don't believe it's related to their wages, a lot of really well paid football (soccer) players sold games even when they were millionaires. When you have vices and you are greedy gambling is around the corner.
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 yes but you’re more inclined to risk your career and getting banned if you get paid nothing and hate the owner. Again watch the documentary on the 1919 black Sox…. It literally paints the picture word for word on the situation here. The Supreme Court themselves concluded that the UFC and NCAA would be severely at risk for this because the athletes control so much power and yet earn close to nothing. (After gambling was legalized)
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 yeah but when you make McDonald's money and have the opportunity, there's much more of an incentive
I'm sure it didn't help seeing a scorecard getting written on in the ring in the Karolina fight.
I was sure that the scorecard had the wrong fighters on the side that they initially scored for. Red and blue corners were incorrect
Dude, for real. We need an investigation like this into judging. Coming for Krause is ridiculous compared to some of these decisions we’ve seen lately
While that seemed fishy... who would order that scorecard change?
@@sallgoodman2323 I'm sure it was something stupid like that but just the optics and timing were bad.
It's not gambling but this situation should revisit a light to be shined on the fact that the UFC knew both Vitor Belfort and Brock Lesner had popped for performance enhancers prior to their fights with Jon Jones and Mark Hunt. The UFC knowingly allowed these fighters to fight having information that was illegal, against their own code of conduct and could change the outcome of the fights. There is overwhelming evidence that the UFC allows fights or even nudges fights towards a particular outcome.
I agree & Mark Hunt is still after them.
@@craigparker4108yea but Mark Hunt knew he was on roids before the fight and said he didn’t care because he will still win. After he loses he starts crying about the UFC letting him fight. That’s not going to work in court, that’s like knowingly buying a car with engine problems than trying to sue the dealership for selling you a messed up car! If he won do you think he would sue? Absolutely not.
Was wondering this for years. How can you not inform people a fighter pissed hot.
This is nothing compared to the official scoring inconsistencies that fixes scoring on fights on Draftkings daily fantasy. Repeated issues week after week. Also, judging is insane and clearly fixed. So many insane decisions. Not to mention the referees are in on it. They let certain fights go and punches and control time add up for no reason when they fight is clearly over. Someone playing draftkings daily fantasy is in cahoots with referee Peterson.
All those bets lost when Dana threw both fights and then acts like Paddy rightfully won the fight. This is whats ruining the sport.
Ariel and Journalists can have just as much insider info as the guys in the locker room. Ariel has the scoops on fights, he talks and messages managers. Ariel and other journalist easily have more info on fighters than general public. So they should also not be able to bet . Draftkings isnt gonna sponsor this show for long. Ariel is trying to push on Dana so much but ariel talks about bets and bets himself with his crew. They can have insider info, ariel knows about fights before they are announced . Im not saying he or these guys did anything. I just find it funny he wants to act like he doesnt know what discord is. He asks krause how can people sign up for his betting picks and all that. If ariel wants to try to throw dana under the bus over and over after GC keeps saying that dana was correct and he agreed with dana , ariel would bring it up nearly 3 times GC had to say he agrees with dana. So ariel dont poke your nose so deep in this one because they can pull sponsorships and no more betting talks since ariel clearly has more info than the public. He talks with managers, fighters, knows things before they are annouced etc.
Aye but, as far as we know, he hasn't done anything illegal.
Dana said that no bets were made and then paid out, so no damage done. That was the lie.
Let’s get into it!!
Krause also admitted Dana White is his mentor. No wonder theres always really bad calls from the judges. The latest one being the leech vs Rodriguez
This is ridiculous. Krause didn’t break any rules or laws prior to October or whenever the new rules dropped. The new rules won’t stop anything, just make it prosecutable with ‘sanctions.’
How can you have all these gambling sponsors and expect no one to bet?
Sounds like these rules should have been put in place before the gambling sponsors came in. Only problem with that is, the fighters would ask for money out of the deal and we all know the ufc ain’t parting with any of their sponsor money 😂
He's not in the club that gets to financially scam without consequence. Some get to scam people out of billions of life savings.
yeah but he has clearly broken the rules since then, he still had the discord dedicated to bets. You can pretty much guarantee he was breaking the rules after they came in to play. I'm sure they'd argue that he fixed the fight which was already illegal before the rule changed.
But yes completely ridiculous that they didn't have the rules before hand, there's a lot of money in gambling and the house doesn't like to lose, very scummy industry.
@@riccocool If people are betting their life savings than guess what? FCK EM. They'd have lost it anyways.
fighters have no power, they cant ask ufc for sponsor money
@@riccocool you’re right about that. Krause might get stiffer punishment than the FTX crook
It's the UFC's problem letting this happen from the start. They knew exactly what he and others were doing and let happen until it created a problem. It was obvious what could come from all that inside info.
How do some peeple make claims with such conviction?
Thats the most innocent description of Discord ive ever heard. The reality is its the public bathroom of the internet