The NUMBER ONE reason for “excessive” tyre wear is driving style! Accelerate, corner* and brake GENTLY and you will be rewarded with (relatively) low tyre wear. That said, regular wheel alignment, balancing, pressure check and rotation will have an impact, too! * I take the racing line whenever it is safe… (Tesla Model 3 LR - 40,000km on factory tyres) Tyre wear is inversely proportional to the age of the driver, with some notable exceptions!
Model 3 and y don’t have the same camber as S and X and also the front and rear tires are different sizes so they can’t be rotated like most high end sports cars the new 3 performance is the same tire set up as X And S so it will also wear quicker
Tyre wear comes mostly from the torque being transmitted. I had a BMW M5 for 15 years. When I first got it, the rear tyres were completely worn out after 6000 miles. I wasn't doing burnouts or even chirping the tyres, but I was driving enthusiastically. Since the tyres were very expensive, I had to learn to preserve them - basically using light throttle in the lower gears. Even so I do think I got more than 20 000 out of a set.
What are some preventive maintenance suggestions for the Model S Performance? Beyond official advice. Should I do anything to keep the rear large drive unit going longer?
The reason is very simple. Way too people seem to think that they need to takeoff like a rocket from every light. This along with constantly weaving from lane to lane is very hard on tire wear.
@@shmkane Funny you should say that! My 911 Twin Turbo with factory 4 wheel alignment specs don't eat through rear tires! Unless I intentionally turn traction control off but that's a different topic! We just need to stop this entire battery car nonsense!
Thanks for the description of rear links. Adjusting the Camber will necessitate re-adjusting the Toe based on linkage design. Toe on rear typically zero as no self centering needed.
So appreciate the informative explanation. Have heard a lot about Model X tire wear but never quite understood why it wears prematurely. Question: does installing the camber and toe adjustable “bars” void Tesla warranty for the suspension or whatever?
literally every car I've owned (all performance oriented cars setup for street driving and autocross) wear similarly to my model 3. I'm convinced the majority of people complaining about wear are coming from eco cars, not sport oriented cars.
@@LWRCdid i say sports car or sport oriented car? It handles well, makes gobs of torque, and is rwd biased. It’s sport oriented in the same way a 3 series is sport oriented vs. something like a honda civic etc. cry more.
Thanks for your post. I was seriously concerned. Prices for used Tesla are dropping. I can get a a model 3 2018-2022 for under 25K. I’m just trying to stay away from previous rental cars or accidents as well as a vehicle owned by multiple people in a short time
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2022 S with larger wheels and only 18k miles just taken for alignment and it was way off both toe and camber front and back. Had to add rear camber shims to make it right. In my opinion bad factory alignment accounts for most of the premature wear.
I need to replace my S tires very soon after only 18k miles due to this. Is this modification something I can easily do myself or are lots of special tools needed?
With all of those adjustments, how easily can you adjust the alignment with the entire cradle on the EV? Or do you have to drop it every time if you need to adjust the alignment? Thank you very much for what you do and this was very informative.
Is there a difference in camber specifications on a non-performance Model X or Y compared to the performance versions? In other words, is the tire wear an issue on the non performance versions?
Very good video, learned a lot, still not sure why you would need to adjust the toe though. Why are cars set up with camber? if we all drove normally and carefully this would not be needed would it? Certainly would increase tyre life. A friend of mine got over 30,000 miles on a set of tyres for a Tesla 3. She said she never floors the accelarator or does hard cornering, it can be done, you don't have to drive like a wally.
I changed the tires on my Model @ at 58k miles. Could of gone a bit further but wanted new tires for a long trip. I drive the car "normal" and rarely aggressive.
TBH the real reason evs have excessive tire wear is that the torque is 100 percent at zero so there is always greater friction compared to ice...and tell the truth people is so fun mashing the fun pad and feel the gs
I’m not experiencing excessive tire wear on my Model 3. In fact I had the same make model and size tire on my Cadillac ATS and they only lasted 20k miles and we got 30k on the Tesla. The difference is the Model 3 runs them at 42 psi and the ATS ran them at 36 psi.
Heavier than a similar car, but apparently not by that much, more of the weight is off the front axle. The recommended tyres are very expensive and use hard compound rubber in order to chase more range, that and the constant regen braking and hard acceleration/high torque at low speeds probably has something to do with it too.
It is necessary sacrifice for performance and wear caused by battery weight which is almost 1 ton. It is just unavoidable. The car shouldn't focus on performance instead should focus on safety and reliability.
The idea is that you want to do hard turns and hard accelerations as little as possible. If you drive conservatively, take turns slowly, you'll be fine.
Let's see... tires lasting only 15,000 mi, car can spontaneously combust and the fire dept can't put out the fire and it may very well burn your house down. Battery charging gives 15-30 miles of range for every hour plugged into a level 2 charger at home using 240VACj! Unbelievable the insanity people are willing to put up for this level of inconvenience! I can refuel any of my cars in less than 15 min at any gas station 24x7 and can get 300 mi of range. 15 min. 300 miles range vs 1 hr and 15 mi range! Yeah - that's a tough one to figure out!!!
I still like my EV man. You can like your gas car too. In-fact, I own both because cars are cool. Sorry about the EV fanboys though, they annoy me too.
@@terrancecloverfield6791 Good to hear. We all have choices to make and choose what works best for each of us. The government has no role in telling us what we should or shouldn't own!
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I love driving by gas stations and remembering that I never need to wait in line for gas, stay outside in the cold to pump gas and smell the fumes. I love leaving with a fully fuled car every day. I also love having the ability to charge up anywhere that has a 120v outlet! Not so funny story… I have a friend that came out to a burning VW. Luckily, his car was not in his garage, but he had all his XMas gifts in the back, ready to go celebrate at this family’s… He lost all the gifts in the fire. It was not an EV…
Don't be stupid. 120VAC takes how many days to charge from 5% to 100%??!!! And where do all those electrons come from that's powering your clown car? Here in Kalifornia, we already don't have enough capacity in our grid to supply regular energy use much less to charge these clown cars! When you need to go on a road trip, good luck in charging it at a charging station! Assuming the plug works, assuming the credit card reader works, assuming your car can connect to the system, assuming there aren't 15 cars ahead of you in line waiting for the charger! You want to put up with that nonsense - go right ahead but don't have the government force this stupidity down everyone's throats because it isn't green and causes more damage to the planet than regular cars! And don't come crying to us when your car bursts into flames and the fire department can't put it out! I hope insurance companies charge you folks 10X more for all the damage you cause on the roads and society and to pay for your own repairs instead of spreading the costs over reguar cars!!
Model S design flaw 1000% on Tesla. 19’s Don’t have the issue, 21’s do. Tesla failed its customers by not having adjustable camber for the 21’s. Tesla fan boys don’t care, they will do whatever Tesla tells them to. Families do care. They don’t want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere. Owners shouldn’t have to buy after market parts to fix Tesla’s failure. F- on Tesla. I fixed Tesla’s failure by going back to 19’s. Over twice the mileage with zero change in handling. Tesla wonders why they they are quickly falling to last place in the EV market 🙄
I wish there were more videos like this on TH-cam. Informative with excellently explanations of what's going on without an hour of fluff in it.
Most videos just talk about press release specs smh
Likely due to me slamming on the accelerator at every intersection?
The NUMBER ONE reason for “excessive” tyre wear is driving style! Accelerate, corner* and brake GENTLY and you will be rewarded with (relatively) low tyre wear. That said, regular wheel alignment, balancing, pressure check and rotation will have an impact, too!
* I take the racing line whenever it is safe… (Tesla Model 3 LR - 40,000km on factory tyres)
Tyre wear is inversely proportional to the age of the driver, with some notable exceptions!
Model 3 and y don’t have the same camber as S and X and also the front and rear tires are different sizes so they can’t be rotated like most high end sports cars the new 3 performance is the same tire set up as X And S so it will also wear quicker
True but its a fact that Teslas have this issue compared to ICE cars and there's a few reasons why.
It's almost like you didn't watch the video.
@@markjordan943You can run non staggered setup at thr cost of handling & performance ofc.
Tyre wear comes mostly from the torque being transmitted.
I had a BMW M5 for 15 years. When I first got it, the rear tyres were completely worn out after 6000 miles.
I wasn't doing burnouts or even chirping the tyres, but I was driving enthusiastically.
Since the tyres were very expensive, I had to learn to preserve them - basically using light throttle in the lower gears.
Even so I do think I got more than 20 000 out of a set.
What are some preventive maintenance suggestions for the Model S Performance? Beyond official advice. Should I do anything to keep the rear large drive unit going longer?
The reason is very simple. Way too people seem to think that they need to takeoff like a rocket from every light. This along with constantly weaving from lane to lane is very hard on tire wear.
I paid for the motors, so imma use the motors :)
smiles per gallon are insanely high
Smiles for days baby!
And people think these clown battery cars actually saves anything! It consumes natural resources at a much higher rate than regular cars!!!
@@LWRC any performance car will do the same. Has nothing to do with being an EV. Go look at the curb weight for a BMW M3 comp
@@shmkane
Funny you should say that! My 911 Twin Turbo with factory 4 wheel alignment specs don't eat through rear tires! Unless I intentionally turn traction control off but that's a different topic!
We just need to stop this entire battery car nonsense!
Thanks for the description of rear links. Adjusting the Camber will necessitate re-adjusting the Toe based on linkage design. Toe on rear typically zero as no self centering needed.
So appreciate the informative explanation. Have heard a lot about Model X tire wear but never quite understood why it wears prematurely.
Question: does installing the camber and toe adjustable “bars” void Tesla warranty for the suspension or whatever?
Of course it voids warranty... Dunno if it voids drivetrain warranty. Probably depends on the customer, quarter, Elon's mood etc.
@@rkan2 That's funny.
literally every car I've owned (all performance oriented cars setup for street driving and autocross) wear similarly to my model 3. I'm convinced the majority of people complaining about wear are coming from eco cars, not sport oriented cars.
A model 3 is now a 'sports car'?? What a joke!
@@LWRCdid i say sports car or sport oriented car? It handles well, makes gobs of torque, and is rwd biased. It’s sport oriented in the same way a 3 series is sport oriented vs. something like a honda civic etc. cry more.
@@alphasaur
Nobody gives a rat's ass what you think. These clown cars make you look stupid. If you think they're 'sports oriented cars' great.
@@LWRCI mean it'll kill what was considered a supercar from the 1990s
@@LWRCwell your 911 loses to it😂
Well explained. Thank you.
My 2022 Model Y Performance is on the original Michelin 21" tires at 52,000 miles and plenty of life left in them.
Yes, Model Y and 3 do much better concerning tire wear. It is the Model S and X that have premature wear.
Same , I’m at 48,900 miles original tires
Thanks for your post. I was seriously concerned. Prices for used Tesla are dropping. I can get a a model 3 2018-2022 for under 25K. I’m just trying to stay away from previous rental cars or accidents as well as a vehicle owned by multiple people in a short time
That very immpressive and surprising, given the noted S and X short tire life
30,000 on my 2023 MYP and don’t even have a dent in them!👍
How did you end up with Rivian delivery vans (in the background) in your shop?
We service and repair Amazon EDVs here at Evolve! We have a few videos on our channel about them, here's the most recent one: th-cam.com/video/02oK1wGcHmA/w-d-xo.html
2022 S with larger wheels and only 18k miles just taken for alignment and it was way off both toe and camber front and back. Had to add rear camber shims to make it right. In my opinion bad factory alignment accounts for most of the premature wear.
How the cost to upgrade also not void warranty?
Great Video! Thank you. Will use this as a reference. Suspension dynamics relate to this also.
Glad it was helpful!
I need to replace my S tires very soon after only 18k miles due to this. Is this modification something I can easily do myself or are lots of special tools needed?
Links didn't appear to be complicated to change, but an alignment rack would be needed to re-adjust
Thank you for the video! Does the 2024 model Y performance have similar factory toe and camber settings as the models discussed in the video?
With all of those adjustments, how easily can you adjust the alignment with the entire cradle on the EV? Or do you have to drop it every time if you need to adjust the alignment? Thank you very much for what you do and this was very informative.
You can adjust it without dropping the cradle.
Explains why I went through 3 tires in little over 1 year at around 15,000 miles on my MS
Is there a difference in camber specifications on a non-performance Model X or Y compared to the performance versions? In other words, is the tire wear an issue on the non performance versions?
All versions of the S and X have it.
That's pretty cool. If we have air suspensions, why not consider assemblies that can also calibrate itself as well...pretty smart.
Very good video, learned a lot, still not sure why you would need to adjust the toe though. Why are cars set up with camber? if we all drove normally and carefully this would not be needed would it? Certainly would increase tyre life. A friend of mine got over 30,000 miles on a set of tyres for a Tesla 3. She said she never floors the accelarator or does hard cornering, it can be done, you don't have to drive like a wally.
Very informative! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
I changed the tires on my Model @ at 58k miles. Could of gone a bit further but wanted new tires for a long trip. I drive the car "normal" and rarely aggressive.
Is camber still an issue with 2024 model s plaids? I have been told Tesla has fixed the camber issue with that model-but I have not verified that.
Great video!
They also put the negative camber on the Model S to improve rolling resistance to help efficiency.
How does that work with air suspension?
It doesn't matter if your spring is steel or air. This is purely the geometrical relationship of car body vs wheel.
The lower the suspension, the worse the wear. So air in low is worse than new coils. Saggy coils are the worst, though.
Need a motor to control camber dynamically.
My Model Y dual motor has 43,000 miles and the tires have more life left and I take off way faster then normal traffic
TBH the real reason evs have excessive tire wear is that the torque is 100 percent at zero so there is always greater friction compared to ice...and tell the truth people is so fun mashing the fun pad and feel the gs
Hint: when your car weighs as much as a small moon, your tyres will wear out quickly.
I’m not experiencing excessive tire wear on my Model 3. In fact I had the same make model and size tire on my Cadillac ATS and they only lasted 20k miles and we got 30k on the Tesla. The difference is the Model 3 runs them at 42 psi and the ATS ran them at 36 psi.
Ev's are heavy , due to heavy batteries. That means tires wear out faster.
Heavier than a similar car, but apparently not by that much, more of the weight is off the front axle.
The recommended tyres are very expensive and use hard compound rubber in order to chase more range, that and the constant regen braking and hard acceleration/high torque at low speeds probably has something to do with it too.
It is necessary sacrifice for performance and wear caused by battery weight which is almost 1 ton. It is just unavoidable. The car shouldn't focus on performance instead should focus on safety and reliability.
I think I get it, less safe in turns means longer tire life…
The idea is that you want to do hard turns and hard accelerations as little as possible. If you drive conservatively, take turns slowly, you'll be fine.
Lets not forget evs are heavy for their given tire size...ie low profile car tires on something that weighs as much as a heavy pickup.
95000km on my tires that I replaced with when I had 5k km because I got 20 inch rims. It's some cheap $200 brand
One set of tires on my model 3 after 75,000 miles…
My Y has 30k miles and tyres look half life.
Mine don’t. 🤷🏼♂️
Let's see... tires lasting only 15,000 mi, car can spontaneously combust and the fire dept can't put out the fire and it may very well burn your house down. Battery charging gives 15-30 miles of range for every hour plugged into a level 2 charger at home using 240VACj! Unbelievable the insanity people are willing to put up for this level of inconvenience! I can refuel any of my cars in less than 15 min at any gas station 24x7 and can get 300 mi of range. 15 min. 300 miles range vs 1 hr and 15 mi range! Yeah - that's a tough one to figure out!!!
I still like my EV man. You can like your gas car too. In-fact, I own both because cars are cool. Sorry about the EV fanboys though, they annoy me too.
@@terrancecloverfield6791
Good to hear. We all have choices to make and choose what works best for each of us. The government has no role in telling us what we should or shouldn't own!
I love driving by gas stations and remembering that I never need to wait in line for gas, stay outside in the cold to pump gas and smell the fumes. I love leaving with a fully fuled car every day. I also love having the ability to charge up anywhere that has a 120v outlet! Not so funny story… I have a friend that came out to a burning VW. Luckily, his car was not in his garage, but he had all his XMas gifts in the back, ready to go celebrate at this family’s… He lost all the gifts in the fire. It was not an EV…
Don't be stupid. 120VAC takes how many days to charge from 5% to 100%??!!!
And where do all those electrons come from that's powering your clown car?
Here in Kalifornia, we already don't have enough capacity in our grid to supply regular energy use much less to charge these clown cars!
When you need to go on a road trip, good luck in charging it at a charging station! Assuming the plug works, assuming the credit card reader works, assuming your car can connect to the system, assuming there aren't 15 cars ahead of you in line waiting for the charger!
You want to put up with that nonsense - go right ahead but don't have the government force this stupidity down everyone's throats because it isn't green and causes more damage to the planet than regular cars!
And don't come crying to us when your car bursts into flames and the fire department can't put it out!
I hope insurance companies charge you folks 10X more for all the damage you cause on the roads and society and to pay for your own repairs instead of spreading the costs over reguar cars!!
Why do Tires wear so quickly on a Porsche GT2 RS? 😁
If you constantly drive it like you stole tyres ware faster who would of thought 🤔😂
Model S design flaw 1000% on Tesla. 19’s Don’t have the issue, 21’s do. Tesla failed its customers by not having adjustable camber for the 21’s. Tesla fan boys don’t care, they will do whatever Tesla tells them to. Families do care. They don’t want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere. Owners shouldn’t have to buy after market parts to fix Tesla’s failure. F- on Tesla. I fixed Tesla’s failure by going back to 19’s. Over twice the mileage with zero change in handling. Tesla wonders why they they are quickly falling to last place in the EV market 🙄
They don’t wear quickly.
Very poorly made products and it is made out of aluminum not steel.
Of all the people that got the 30-day free trial of FSD, about *2* *percent* paid for it when the trial was over .
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You work at Tesla and have access to their records? Do tell...
@@JRP3 Do you disagree with my statement? Only 2 percent of people paid for FSD? So embarrassing for tessla.
@@DerekDavis213 Since you have no credible source for your claim yes I disagree with it.
@@JRP3 Just surch on
fsd trial 2 percent
Lots of proof there bro.
That information is very confidential at Tesla. You are a troll it seems. I love my FSD in both cars
Who cares about Tesla!?? There are much better products already on the market.