Great video and demonstration. Two things I would recommend: 1. Before putting the wheels back on, inspect the hub mating surface and lug nuts for rust, clean these with a wire brush if rust is visible. 2. After you lower the car to start torquing the lugs, don't do full torquing on the first pass. Torque them all to about 60 ft lb in the star pattern and then do a second pass for the final torque. Hope this extra info helps keep our Tesla Family safe. Extra Note, need to follow the "Reset tire pressure monitoring sensor TPMS" instructions in your Tesla Manual after the rotation to get them recalibrated to the new tire locations.
I don’t think the Tesla mobile service guy that was out to rotate my tires a few weeks ago reset the TPMS positions. Tried to look that up in the manual, but didn’t find it. I’ll try looking for it on the screen.
I just rotated my tyres using this very method today! One thing I would say it's worth doing in addition to this is chocking the tyres still on the ground, using a chock made for the job or a couple of bricks, just to be extra safe, especially if you are doing this on anything less than a level surface. Great video!
Most torque wrenches can handle reverse torque because most are designed to be able to handle both left hand and right hand threads. As long as you aren't using it to try to break free stuck lugs or going over the rating, a torque wrench should be fine when used to loosen lugs. To be safe, set it to the torque spec first though: that way if it does click when you are loosening (because of a stuck lug), just stop when it clicks and use a breaker bar. It shouldn't normally click if the lugs were put on to spec because it takes significantly less torque to loosen lugs and they should turn well before the torque when they were tightened.
Thanks for this video. I have been wasting time and energy jacking up both the front and rear tires to do the rotating. Thanks to your advice the procedure is twice as fast and much easier!
Perfect explanation on how to do this. Here in NY it is $70 to have Tesla come do the rotation, but a local car wash/service place did it for $30. However, it was good that I had lift pucks for them since they didn't have any!!
I have found that keeping a piece of 1 1/2" thick timber in my trunk is useful if I ever have a flat tyre and need to get the jack under the car. I drive the car with flat tyre wheel onto the wood block which then gives me enough clearance to get a jack under the car!
Great Video. "Discount Tire", will provide rotation and pressure check for free. Generally no appointment needed. I've also found them to be very professional and helpful.
Discount Tire is a good choice, but the ones around here are insanely busy every day. I can rotate my tires faster than the wait time at Discount Tire.
I have had a different experience with Discount Tire. They fixed a slow leak in one of my tires and when I got the car back to my house I realized they checked all the air pressure in my tires and set them all to 28lbs and forgot to put the valve stem caps back on. The reason I checked the tire pressure was because I got a low pressure warning on all four tires. I corrected the tire pressure and decided to check the torque on the lug nuts on the tire they repaired and it wasn’t even close. Sloppy work on their part. I’ve since repaired two tires myself, one with a nail and the other had a screw. I’m sure most Discount Tire locations are just fine, but our local store is crap.
@@jshomes10 maybe here in CA is different. I went today for a tire rotation and they told be only free for tires bought there. Otherwise $25 per tire. Tesla mobile is $65 for all. I went with Tesla.
The best part: log the rotation on the service menu and it will reset the TPMS sensors! If you have a duff sensor, it’s a great time to replace it as the car will register it at the same time. So much easier than other cars!!
As always great video. I have heavy 20" wheels on my MY. I use two THREADED LUG BOLT GUIDEs from Abstract Ocean for aligning the wheel holes with the threaded holes in the wheel hub.
Old trick my dad showed me when I was a kid: Put the wheel back on the studs and hand tighten all the lug nuts until they stop. HIT the tire dozens of times with the palms of your hands along the sidewall of the tire. Don't be modest give it decently hard hits! Hand tighten all the lug nuts until they stop again. Repeat banging the sidewall of the tire in a circle with your palms of your hands and hand tightening the lug nuts until they all won't turn anymore. You now have the rim perfectly centered on the studs and are good to torque it down! 👍
👍 I rotate tires 2 X a year because in November I install winter tires and go back to summers end of March or April, mark the tire position with chalk. Probably been doing the rotation thing for 25 to 30 years and back then there were oil changes back then and I have changed brake pads and disks a few times. A breaker bar is cheap insurance to keep your torque wrench from being abused.
I wished I had watched this before yesterday when I tried to do it myself 😀 probably took 10 years off my life yesterday! The one thing that is lacking from videos like this is what to do when you rotate your tires and your tire pressure monitoring system is reporting wrong locations on the wheels. I just had four new tires installed and the wheels didn't end up in the same location.
Pretty sure you are supposed to rotate them in an X pattern unless they are directional. You know that they are directional if they have a rotation arrow on the tire.
"tyre rotation" would be to remove them from the rims if they're not directional. This is wheel rotation, being pedantic. :) Obsessives would also re-balance them at half wear and have the wheel alignment done.
I had the Tesla guy come to my house to do the rotation, and I asked him. He said for the 2023 Y/LR that I have, you can just rotate front to back. The weight keeps the tires flat so no need to cross. BTW, he jacked it from in front of the rear tire, not behind the front tire as in the video, so I guess both ways work.
Just did this yesterday on the wifes 2022 Model 3 LR for the 5th time. Minus the pucks it's basically the same as any car. Lesson learned here and I'll accept all the responsibility for not noiticing before but all 4 tires are worn on the inside and need to be replaced at 30,000. I didn't notice it before at 24,000, 18000, 12000, 6,000. I'd guess the rest of the tire has at least 10,000 of wear left until they would need to be replaced. So if the car was brand new again I'd have them balanced 1-2 times. Rotating is easy enough but not balancing them was a mistake.
I have read that tire rotation on a Tesla should be rear tires to the same side front and front tires to the opposite rear location. Is simply rotating front to rear enough?
This is likely for the X and S since they have air suspension and there might be a a procedure to follow that says to unplug. The Y and 3 have a conventional suspension. The car has no way of even knowing it’s being lifted.
I have used Discount Tire where I get my replacements. Watch though, because last time I caught them lifting (platform lift) from under the battery! I pointed out to them the manual says NOT to use that process. I always offer pucks, though I know they have them. The msg here is tell them and watch them so things get done right to keep your car battery happy (and healthy)!
Is a torque wrench really necessary? Why not a simple lug nut wrench? I'm new to teslas, but I've never used a torque wrench on my other cars and never lost a wheel 😅
If you don't use a torque wrench you won't know if the nuts are on to the correct tightness. Certainly you can do it with a lug nut wrench, it's just a risk.
Thanks. Very good video. I got the same calipers. The top black clip for the rear wheel seems to be very close to the brake disc. This is also in my situation. After a year of use, are they effected by the heat of the brake disc? Still ok on your car? Cheers
Discount Tire in Omaha did mine for free and I didn't even buy tires from them. Obviously, they do it with the hope of getting future business, but that is pretty cool!
my neighbor's daughter is the manage at a local tire shop. She was telling me that a LOT of Tesla owners end up crossthreading the lug nuts when they screw them back in.... resulting in a visit to her shop where they rethread them.(at a somewhat reasonable charge of $30) Strangely, she said they almost never get drivers of other non-Tesla cars who crossthread their lug nuts(or bolts).
Is your tire directional? I’m probably going to rotate exactly how you did (I have the standard 19in Gemini / Non Directional Tires) but the manual says to do the cross pattern. What are your thoughts?
What about going across? I saw another video where someone uses 2 floor jacks to lift the back of the car up and switch the rear tires after rotating both sides
Depends on type of the tires, you can see these tyres have "arrow like" pattern, so you have to keep them on the proper side to respect rotation direction. This is usual for winter and all season tires - with summer tires you are right, you should go across too.
Just did my first rotation, well actually swap to snow tires, which is slightly easier I think; you can have just one corner raised at a time. A couple of comments: 1. It would help to note the clearance under the lifting puck. I make it 4.25” MAX. If shopping floor jacks, 4” min cradle height would give slight clearance. 2. It’s NOT a good idea to use a torque wrench for braking lug nuts loose. Get a separate long-handled wrench or breaker bar. Or use an impact. Doubly so with the high torque values Tesla specs (129 lb/ft for model 3).
My YLR hasn’t been rotated in a long time…last time, the Tesla tech told me not to. I don’t notice any uneven wear, since the car balances power and weight front/rear, versus my previous front wheel drive cars.
Hi. It’s not about power/torque being equal but the steering, braking and a acceleration of the front pair. These do more work and are the ones that wear faster on the edges.
That looks super easy, thanks! As for your cost estimate, that seems way off. The approximate cost of all the necessary tools and supplies is about $200. The cost for me to have my Model Y’s tires rotated is $30. That comes to 7 rotations to fully pay for the tools, not 2-3. That said, I will hit that in less than 2 years, which is still reasonable. Tesla may charge more, but I get mine rotated locally which is only $30. Just putting that out there so people who choose to go this route don’t have unreasonable expectations, but it is still worth it.
This works when you have the same tires on the front and back. On both my Model Y Performance and my Model X Plain this is not the case so I do need to use the jack stands.
Great video, as always. A quick comment. I believe the "miles ago" message on the screen is not how long ago you were supposed to rotate but how long ago you reset that number.
One jack and three (purchase four) jack stands. Lift up front on one side, jack stand on the rear. Repeat on opposite side. After Jack Stands on both rear sides, lift one front side again. Place #3 jackstand on side opposite the jack. You'll them have the entire car off the ground using the Jack and three jack stands. If necessary some blocks of wood under one of the tires as you're doing the two front tires at the same time will be helpful.
Great. BUT…. I have an X and have different size tires on the front and back and therefore need to rotate side to side and not front to back. How about showing how that is done. Thanks in advance.
Don't even bother. On the X the rear tires wear on the inner edges due to the factory camber. Moving them side to side does nothing to extend the life.
Second the use of lug bolt mounting extensions. Also the Michelin cross climate two tires, definitely worth the investment. Surprised all the comments about the TPMS sensors, I thought Elon’s favorite part was no part. Last two VW’s I’ve had eliminated the TPMS sensors and simply monitor the wheel speed sensors. Improperly inflated tires don’t spin at the correct speed and can be detected after a short drive. Only requires the addition of a optional switch hardware or software to initiate a relearning after setting your tire pressures.
TPMS Sensors are required on all new vehicles in the USA. "Among other matters, within TREAD Act of 2000, the U.S. federal government mandated the required implementation of TPMS on all new vehicles in the following phased rollout: 20% of new vehicles from Oct 5, 2005-Aug 31, 2006. 70% of new vehicles from Sept 1, 2006-Aug 31, 2007."
@@LordTimelord it’s an indirect system, still considered a tpms system even though it’s not actually measuring the actual pressure and requires the vehicle to move an appropriate amount for it to calculate if the wheel rotation has changed since it was last calibrated. As far as how they got that system approved, not sure 🤔 $$$🙊but it seemed to work fine on my 2012 Passat, and I like that there are less parts on the car to fail. That and since I ran mounted snows I didn’t have to buy more sensors when I bought the extra wheels and tires. Very simple system to use, just set your pressure with a gauge, then press the calibrate button in the glovebox and take the car for a drive.
Well unless EV tires are like unidirectional motorcycle tires. You'd have to swap them to the other side of the vehicle so they would roll in the other direction. 😁
Thanks. Good video. Actually I just use Discount Tire for free. You could also use 2 inexpensive 2 ton floor jacks (such as the ones at Walmart) instead of the floor jack and jack stand. Actually cheaper than the 2.5 ton jack.
I use an impact wrench. Those lug nuts are torqued to 129 ft/pounds and I am too old (at age 40) to use manual force to loosen them. I use labeled tire totes to remember the position of the tires each time I change from Winter to Summer and rotate accordingly. Tesla will try to add a tire rotation service if you go in for something else but have not registered your own tire rotation in the service section.
I once took my tesla in for an alignment check and tire rotation, and they didn’t do either! I had to pull a Karen to get them to do the work I brought the car in for. Lost another day without the car. I frigging’ hate dealing with Tesla.
Make sure safety first unplugged your car , you don't want to do that rotations while ur charging your car safety first. torque wrench is not meant to remove lug nuts is how to measure you want to tighten the lug bolts.
Interesting question. It did not occur to me that the TPMS is fixed to the tire rather than the car. I carry an air compressor and check manually if something seems off. But if you know how to update the location please let use know!
@@iowateslawell..not really... everytime I rotate the wheels the tire dealer finds some changes and has to install 1 o 2 little weights to restore the tires balancing. Bear in mind that even small holes in the asphalt can change the balancing...
I think that is too nitpicky. Most tire shops will not check your tire balance when they rotate your tires, only when they install new ones or have repairs done to the rim. One or two tokens on the wheel do not make a big difference to the driving experience.
@@khuo0219 well.....this how the tyre shop do not act in a professional way. When I go to rotate my tires for 5 euros for each tire they check the balance and usually for every tire they need to add those weights...and I see with my eyes that the tires are not balanced and I feel some vibration at certain speeds... sometimes are hardly perceived, some other times more evident. It is obvious that the axles, the wheels, the suspensions must be in perfect conditions, otherwise you don't feel those vibrations... So, if you want to drive as you should you should check the balance everytime you rotate your wheels, otherwise don't do it. I prefer to spend 20 euros every 15.000 km...so everytime I rotate my wheels.
Not sure I would trust a jack stand on the opposite end of the vehicle to keep it up if the jack failed, even if the car is very rigid. I'd have to see it myself. Center of gravity is of course much different without a heavy engine in the front.. Guess I am just used to working on rusty old ICE cars with my leaky jack and uneven driveway, haha. I am envious of how clean electric vehicles are to work on. The dirtiest regular maintenance component seems like the brakes if you drive on salted roads. No more oil changes or suspension greasing would be great.
Your car (model Y) weighs about 2.5 tons, when you jack up the car, it is usually one side (two wheels off the ground), so you are lifting 1.25 tons at a time. 2 tons should be fine, but I would use a 3 ton jackstand because they are higher and give you more clearance when you change the tire.
I will mention an important point for everyone to read! The first time you take your brand new car to a shop and you watch an idiot set his impact wrench to the maximum torque setting. Then you see him take the first lug nut and fully tighten it down ALL THE WAY! He doesn't bother to hand tighten the lug nuts first and make sure that the wheel is properly aligned. Then he precedes to put all the other lug nuts down at 200 plus foot pounds bending the heck out of your rim, studs, and even possibly warping your brake rotors. I have not seen a single mechanic properly center the rim on the studs in over 30 years! Here is the proper way to do it! 1. Put Tire onto the studs. 2. Hand tighten all lug nuts until they stop. 3. With the palms of your hands. Start banging on the side walls of the tire all around in a circle many times. This vibration helps to center the rim on the studs perfectly. 4. Continue alternating between banging on the side walls with your palms of your hands all around in a circle and hand tightening the lug nuts until they will no longer go down anymore. 5. Then, and ONLY then, do you snug them up more and lower the tire to touch the ground. 6. Proceed with tightening the lug nuts in a star pattern. You want to start at roughly 30 foot pounds first. Do two or three intervals working up to the manufacturer's recommended torque spec. THAT is how you properly center a rim on the studs and tighten it down without messing anything up!
This is not a true tire rotation. I have yet to see a Tesla owner demonstrate how to jack both sides using just one jack. A true tire rotation involves moving the back tires to the front and crossing the removed front tires to the rear. I am guessing after placing the jack stand at the rear that the jack can be removed and another jack stand put into it’s place. Then jacking the other side. Sounds dicey to me. Too bad there isn’t another point to place a jack stand. Using two jacks probably works better but guessing it would be easier to just pay Discount Tire to rotate and check the balance at the same time. Anyone know if a TPMS tool is needed to re-program wheel location after rotation?
If we can afford a Tesla, we can afford TWO or FOUR jacks and jack stands… Rotation Sequence every 5k Miles. I will personally do 3,500 miles given that these vehicles are heavy and I let it rip every once in a while… D side to D side Rear P side to P side Rear D side Rear to P side Front P side Rear to D side Front And I continue rotation whichever miles you prefer…
Sorry, but a shop specialist would inspect the condition of the tires, rebalance each one, insure the correct tire pressure and install and torque each lug nut. A better specialists also looks at brakes pads, suspension and checks for damage, leaks, rust. I gladly pay for the complete service.
Haha our family owns 4 Tesla cars since Model S 2013, S 2015, 2020M3 and MY 2024, never rotated a wheel buy new rear tires every second year. All depends of driving habits and driving style.
If you have an Austin built Model Y AWD with the 4680 batteries and 279 miles of range, those standard pucks DO NOT FIT!!! The holes the pucks fit into are smaller than the other Model Y’s. I have yet to find a set of pucks that fit it. I decided to take it to Discount Tire and bought their package that does the rotation, balancing, and hazard warranty.
@@bluedog9935 No one out in the world uses pucks. I've been to a number of shops for state inspections and tire mounting. Never saw a puck. No damage as far as I can tell.
@@incognitotorpedo42 Really, no one? Yeah, no one has time to reach under the car and install that silly little rubber puck. Just gitter dunn. Besides, what’s the worst that can happen? It’s like safety goggles and seat belts. Why bother, I mean what with the time you save, you could pluck the lint out of your bellybutton.
Great video and demonstration. Two things I would recommend:
1. Before putting the wheels back on, inspect the hub mating surface and lug nuts for rust, clean these with a wire brush if rust is visible.
2. After you lower the car to start torquing the lugs, don't do full torquing on the first pass. Torque them all to about 60 ft lb in the star pattern and then do a second pass for the final torque.
Hope this extra info helps keep our Tesla Family safe.
Extra Note, need to follow the "Reset tire pressure monitoring sensor TPMS" instructions in your Tesla Manual after the rotation to get them recalibrated to the new tire locations.
I don’t think the Tesla mobile service guy that was out to rotate my tires a few weeks ago reset the TPMS positions. Tried to look that up in the manual, but didn’t find it. I’ll try looking for it on the screen.
I just rotated my tyres using this very method today! One thing I would say it's worth doing in addition to this is chocking the tyres still on the ground, using a chock made for the job or a couple of bricks, just to be extra safe, especially if you are doing this on anything less than a level surface. Great video!
A torque wrench is not meant to remove lug nuts. It is made to tighten them. Can change the calibration on the wrench (and you would never know).
Most torque wrenches can handle reverse torque because most are designed to be able to handle both left hand and right hand threads. As long as you aren't using it to try to break free stuck lugs or going over the rating, a torque wrench should be fine when used to loosen lugs. To be safe, set it to the torque spec first though: that way if it does click when you are loosening (because of a stuck lug), just stop when it clicks and use a breaker bar. It shouldn't normally click if the lugs were put on to spec because it takes significantly less torque to loosen lugs and they should turn well before the torque when they were tightened.
Thanks for this video. I have been wasting time and energy jacking up both the front and rear tires to do the rotating. Thanks to your advice the procedure is twice as fast and much easier!
Perfect explanation on how to do this. Here in NY it is $70 to have Tesla come do the rotation, but a local car wash/service place did it for $30. However, it was good that I had lift pucks for them since they didn't have any!!
I have found that keeping a piece of 1 1/2" thick timber in my trunk is useful if I ever have a flat tyre and need to get the jack under the car. I drive the car with flat tyre wheel onto the wood block which then gives me enough clearance to get a jack under the car!
Thanks Jim! After buying the floor jack and torque wrench I’ve now rotated tires on our 3 and Y… your video helped!
I do front to back, back to front cross. I need 2 floor jacks to accomplish cross rotation.
Great Video. "Discount Tire", will provide rotation and pressure check for free. Generally no appointment needed. I've also found them to be very professional and helpful.
Discount Tire is a good choice, but the ones around here are insanely busy every day. I can rotate my tires faster than the wait time at Discount Tire.
I have had a different experience with Discount Tire. They fixed a slow leak in one of my tires and when I got the car back to my house I realized they checked all the air pressure in my tires and set them all to 28lbs and forgot to put the valve stem caps back on. The reason I checked the tire pressure was because I got a low pressure warning on all four tires. I corrected the tire pressure and decided to check the torque on the lug nuts on the tire they repaired and it wasn’t even close. Sloppy work on their part. I’ve since repaired two tires myself, one with a nail and the other had a screw. I’m sure most Discount Tire locations are just fine, but our local store is crap.
Free only if you bought your tires there.
@@swiftMyDay Wrong. Never spent a dime there.
@@jshomes10 maybe here in CA is different. I went today for a tire rotation and they told be only free for tires bought there. Otherwise $25 per tire. Tesla mobile is $65 for all. I went with Tesla.
Good morning Iowa Tesla Guy I'm Brendon never loosen with your torque wrench always tighten
The best part: log the rotation on the service menu and it will reset the TPMS sensors! If you have a duff sensor, it’s a great time to replace it as the car will register it at the same time. So much easier than other cars!!
As always great video. I have heavy 20" wheels on my MY. I use two THREADED LUG BOLT GUIDEs from Abstract Ocean for aligning the wheel holes with the threaded holes in the wheel hub.
Old trick my dad showed me when I was a kid:
Put the wheel back on the studs and hand tighten all the lug nuts until they stop.
HIT the tire dozens of times with the palms of your hands along the sidewall of the tire. Don't be modest give it decently hard hits!
Hand tighten all the lug nuts until they stop again.
Repeat banging the sidewall of the tire in a circle with your palms of your hands and hand tightening the lug nuts until they all won't turn anymore.
You now have the rim perfectly centered on the studs and are good to torque it down! 👍
@@LordTimelord…Rubber mallet works well and is easier on your hands
How do you like those CC2?
Thank you. You're amazing. Thanks again for sharing and putting this video together for us.
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I rotate tires 2 X a year because in November I install winter tires and go back to summers end of March or April, mark the tire position with chalk. Probably been doing the rotation thing for 25 to 30 years and back then there were oil changes back then and I have changed brake pads and disks a few times.
A breaker bar is cheap insurance to keep your torque wrench from being abused.
Good tip.
Did you have to do anything to reset the TPMS system so it knows the new position of each tire? Thanks in advance.
What about the tpms sensors? Do they know that the tires are now in different locations?
They seem to.
@ Nice. Good to know.
Are the Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires noisy and how do they compare with the Continental tires that the car came with?
For Dual Motors, don’t you need to rotate them in an X pattern?
Not really? Can't do that with directional tires anyway, like winter tires.
I've got the same tires. Love them.
Great topic for Tesla owners. Love the ISU shirt BTW!!!
Great video!
Do these tires have the noice cancelling inner foam that reduce road noise like the Continental ProContact RX OE 45K
Thank you so much for posting this!
Do you need two jacks for a model X?
I wished I had watched this before yesterday when I tried to do it myself 😀 probably took 10 years off my life yesterday!
The one thing that is lacking from videos like this is what to do when you rotate your tires and your tire pressure monitoring system is reporting wrong locations on the wheels. I just had four new tires installed and the wheels didn't end up in the same location.
Do you have to do anything regarding the tmps? Or does the car know where you’ve swapped the tires to/from?
Not 100% sure but I didn't do anything and it seems to translate automatically. I think there is a calibration feature in the SERVICE menu.
Pretty sure you are supposed to rotate them in an X pattern unless they are directional. You know that they are directional if they have a rotation arrow on the tire.
I also thought tire rotations are in "X" pattern. But the pattern of those tires look like they should have rotation arrow.
Front to rear. No more X pattern as I understand it.
"tyre rotation" would be to remove them from the rims if they're not directional. This is wheel rotation, being pedantic. :) Obsessives would also re-balance them at half wear and have the wheel alignment done.
Front Left to Rear Right, and Front Right to rear left. Rear tires move forward, and don’t cross sides.
I had the Tesla guy come to my house to do the rotation, and I asked him. He said for the 2023 Y/LR that I have, you can just rotate front to back. The weight keeps the tires flat so no need to cross. BTW, he jacked it from in front of the rear tire, not behind the front tire as in the video, so I guess both ways work.
Just did this yesterday on the wifes 2022 Model 3 LR for the 5th time. Minus the pucks it's basically the same as any car. Lesson learned here and I'll accept all the responsibility for not noiticing before but all 4 tires are worn on the inside and need to be replaced at 30,000. I didn't notice it before at 24,000, 18000, 12000, 6,000. I'd guess the rest of the tire has at least 10,000 of wear left until they would need to be replaced. So if the car was brand new again I'd have them balanced 1-2 times. Rotating is easy enough but not balancing them was a mistake.
I've heard that all wheel drive models will do that to your tires
So on a Tesla you rotate the tires front to back, not in a criss cross pattern??
His are directional tires. So front to back, back to front, no crossover.
@@cypvh74 how do you know if your tires are directional or not?
@ they often have an arrow on the sidewall indicating the intense direction. Also sometime obvious by the tread pattern.
model Y performance are staggered. Changed how rotations work. @GregMcLaughlin
How did you remove the cap in the center of the tire?
I have read that tire rotation on a Tesla should be rear tires to the same side front and front tires to the opposite rear location. Is simply rotating front to rear enough?
Tesla has this in there manual: Never ever lift your car and do a tire rotation while your car is plugged!!
This is likely for the X and S since they have air suspension and there might be a a procedure to follow that says to unplug. The Y and 3 have a conventional suspension. The car has no way of even knowing it’s being lifted.
I have used Discount Tire where I get my replacements. Watch though, because last time I caught them lifting (platform lift) from under the battery! I pointed out to them the manual says NOT to use that process. I always offer pucks, though I know they have them. The msg here is tell them and watch them so things get done right to keep your car battery happy (and healthy)!
With a single jack you can jack from front or rear points, either will lift both wheels.
Is a torque wrench really necessary? Why not a simple lug nut wrench? I'm new to teslas, but I've never used a torque wrench on my other cars and never lost a wheel 😅
If you don't use a torque wrench you won't know if the nuts are on to the correct tightness. Certainly you can do it with a lug nut wrench, it's just a risk.
Wheel balancing is a must beside rotation an off balanced wheel will drive and wear tires poorly
Why would the wheel get off balance when you move them? You aren't taking the tires off the rims.
Thanks. Very good video. I got the same calipers. The top black clip for the rear wheel seems to be very close to the brake disc. This is also in my situation. After a year of use, are they effected by the heat of the brake disc? Still ok on your car? Cheers
Discount Tire in Omaha did mine for free and I didn't even buy tires from them. Obviously, they do it with the hope of getting future business, but that is pretty cool!
Discount tire is great!
my neighbor's daughter is the manage at a local tire shop. She was telling me that a LOT of Tesla owners end up crossthreading the lug nuts when they screw them back in.... resulting in a visit to her shop where they rethread them.(at a somewhat reasonable charge of $30) Strangely, she said they almost never get drivers of other non-Tesla cars who crossthread their lug nuts(or bolts).
Jack Mode setting?
That’s fine for directional tires, like the Michelin CC2 you have, but normal tire rotation, you switch sides.
Good statement, so how do you swap sides?
@ fronts switch sides and to the back. Backs move to front.
Dont you need to put the car on Jack mode? I will rotate my MY soon myself and I am curious about the jack mode option. Thanks
there isn't a jack mode on the model y, it's only on cars with air suspension.
How about MYP left and right tire switching?
Maybe you can help. 2018 Tesla Model 3 rear left back up light is on in drive mode. How can I fix this?
Is your tire directional? I’m probably going to rotate exactly how you did (I have the standard 19in Gemini / Non Directional Tires) but the manual says to do the cross pattern. What are your thoughts?
They are directional. I think front to back is fine.
Front to back for directional tires, cross-pattern per manual for non-directional tires.
Thank you for your help. I have to rotate already. Regards
You are welcome!
Very helpful video! Thank you. Do you also do it the same way with your winter tires? How do you deal with the TPMS sensors?
I use all season tires and don't change for the winter. As for the TPMS, I believe there is a calibration of them in the SERVICE menu.
What about going across? I saw another video where someone uses 2 floor jacks to lift the back of the car up and switch the rear tires after rotating both sides
Depends on type of the tires, you can see these tyres have "arrow like" pattern, so you have to keep them on the proper side to respect rotation direction. This is usual for winter and all season tires - with summer tires you are right, you should go across too.
@@KneziTezi That makes sense
Just did my first rotation, well actually swap to snow tires, which is slightly easier I think; you can have just one corner raised at a time. A couple of comments:
1. It would help to note the clearance under the lifting puck. I make it 4.25” MAX. If shopping floor jacks, 4” min cradle height would give slight clearance.
2. It’s NOT a good idea to use a torque wrench for braking lug nuts loose. Get a separate long-handled wrench or breaker bar. Or use an impact. Doubly so with the high torque values Tesla specs (129 lb/ft for model 3).
My YLR hasn’t been rotated in a long time…last time, the Tesla tech told me not to. I don’t notice any uneven wear, since the car balances power and weight front/rear, versus my previous front wheel drive cars.
Hi. It’s not about power/torque being equal but the steering, braking and a acceleration of the front pair. These do more work and are the ones that wear faster on the edges.
Hello, your car's odometer is 100.000km +, how is your battery healty?
That looks super easy, thanks! As for your cost estimate, that seems way off.
The approximate cost of all the necessary tools and supplies is about $200. The cost for me to have my Model Y’s tires rotated is $30. That comes to 7 rotations to fully pay for the tools, not 2-3. That said, I will hit that in less than 2 years, which is still reasonable.
Tesla may charge more, but I get mine rotated locally which is only $30.
Just putting that out there so people who choose to go this route don’t have unreasonable expectations, but it is still worth it.
Great video , now I know how to do it .
Glad I could help
I've watched some videos, this is the first video with the jack stand solution, I was not so comfortable using the jack only, even I got a good one.
I just rotated the tires on my Model Y. I used two floor jacks.
This works when you have the same tires on the front and back. On both my Model Y Performance and my Model X Plain this is not the case so I do need to use the jack stands.
I have a 22 myp with 40,000 miles with no rotation and found just like a bimmer no need. The car is balanced so the wear is even:)
Can't do it on a MYP. Different size tires on front and back. And cross rotation left to right is not recommended.
Can you swap the 2 rears, similarly the 2 fronts since they aren't directional?
I thought it was recommended 6,250 miles?
Great video, as always. A quick comment. I believe the "miles ago" message on the screen is not how long ago you were supposed to rotate but how long ago you reset that number.
Need to look into that. That makes me feel better then.
He's correct @@iowatesla
@@rogershark9223 Tesla need to update the verbiage to be unambiguous.
Anyone have any ideas on how to rotate the front tyres to the opposite rear as per recommendations? Only way I can think is to buy a spare.
One jack and three (purchase four) jack stands.
Lift up front on one side, jack stand on the rear.
Repeat on opposite side.
After Jack Stands on both rear sides, lift one front side again. Place #3 jackstand on side opposite the jack.
You'll them have the entire car off the ground using the Jack and three jack stands.
If necessary some blocks of wood under one of the tires as you're doing the two front tires at the same time will be helpful.
Great. BUT…. I have an X and have different size tires on the front and back and therefore need to rotate side to side and not front to back. How about showing how that is done. Thanks in advance.
That's a lot more work and requires much more equipment. Better to have it done by a professional where they can lift the entire car.
Don't even bother. On the X the rear tires wear on the inner edges due to the factory camber. Moving them side to side does nothing to extend the life.
The uberturbine wheels that come with the Performance Y are staggered so the wheel in the back is a different size than the front
Great video, keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Second the use of lug bolt mounting extensions. Also the Michelin cross climate two tires, definitely worth the investment. Surprised all the comments about the TPMS sensors, I thought Elon’s favorite part was no part. Last two VW’s I’ve had eliminated the TPMS sensors and simply monitor the wheel speed sensors. Improperly inflated tires don’t spin at the correct speed and can be detected after a short drive. Only requires the addition of a optional switch hardware or software to initiate a relearning after setting your tire pressures.
TPMS Sensors are required on all new vehicles in the USA.
"Among other matters, within TREAD Act of 2000, the U.S. federal government mandated the required implementation of TPMS on all new vehicles in the following phased rollout: 20% of new vehicles from Oct 5, 2005-Aug 31, 2006. 70% of new vehicles from Sept 1, 2006-Aug 31, 2007."
@@LordTimelord it’s an indirect system, still considered a tpms system even though it’s not actually measuring the actual pressure and requires the vehicle to move an appropriate amount for it to calculate if the wheel rotation has changed since it was last calibrated. As far as how they got that system approved, not sure 🤔 $$$🙊but it seemed to work fine on my 2012 Passat, and I like that there are less parts on the car to fail. That and since I ran mounted snows I didn’t have to buy more sensors when I bought the extra wheels and tires. Very simple system to use, just set your pressure with a gauge, then press the calibrate button in the glovebox and take the car for a drive.
@@tbix1963 Interesting! That's nice that a set of winter tires/rims can be quickly setup with that system. I didn't know that! 👍
It is not wise to use torque wrench for loosening.
Don't the tires rotate already when you drive? 😂😂
Funny.
That’s my line. 😂
Well unless EV tires are like unidirectional motorcycle tires.
You'd have to swap them to the other side of the vehicle so they would roll in the other direction. 😁
Wrong context... but yes, they do.
@@train2cri bruh
Hi,
Will this work on a 2024 Model Y performance? Thanks in advance
Not if you have 21” wheels. Front and rear are different size tires. 255 vs 275
Thanks. Good video. Actually I just use Discount Tire for free. You could also use 2 inexpensive 2 ton floor jacks (such as the ones at Walmart) instead of the floor jack and jack stand. Actually cheaper than the 2.5 ton jack.
I use an impact wrench. Those lug nuts are torqued to 129 ft/pounds and I am too old (at age 40) to use manual force to loosen them. I use labeled tire totes to remember the position of the tires each time I change from Winter to Summer and rotate accordingly. Tesla will try to add a tire rotation service if you go in for something else but have not registered your own tire rotation in the service section.
Breaker bar
I once took my tesla in for an alignment check and tire rotation, and they didn’t do either! I had to pull a Karen to get them to do the work I brought the car in for. Lost another day without the car. I frigging’ hate dealing with Tesla.
Make sure safety first unplugged your car , you don't want to do that rotations while ur charging your car safety first. torque wrench is not meant to remove lug nuts is how to measure you want to tighten the lug bolts.
Dumb question but I know have staggered tires 24 M3P. Rotate the front and rotate the back? Thanks sorry for the stupidity
Tire rotation doesn’t apply for the M3P. You can use this video for swapping from Summer to Winter tires though.
I've got Model 3 Performance so one less maintenance. No tire rotation.
Wanted to to add that Tesla recommended to rotate the tires from drivers side front to passenger backside and passenger front to drivers side back.
Great video. I thought the Model Y had a staggered set up. It should be torqued to 129 ft lbs. Then reset the torque to zero when done.
The performance is the only one with staggered wheels.
Be honest…did it just rain on the car or did you wash it before this video? Flex on that sweet floor drain.
Yes. Rain. However, I did hose off the wheels beforehand. They were gross. Just trying to keep my hands more clean.
How did you update the TPMS so that the tire pressure on screen matches the location of the wheel?
I did not. I need to look into that.
Interesting question. It did not occur to me that the TPMS is fixed to the tire rather than the car. I carry an air compressor and check manually if something seems off. But if you know how to update the location please let use know!
so your only swapping back to front, not driver side to passenger as well and ovb no parking break on??? seeing a few red flags here
Those are Directional tires, they don’t switch sides.
Nice video thanks for posting, but what if the front and rear tires are different size? Thanks
That's nice, the only problem is that in this way you can't check and do the wheel balance.
I'm assuming the wheel balance doesn't change. Everything you balance moves with the tire/wheel.
@@iowateslawell..not really... everytime I rotate the wheels the tire dealer finds some changes and has to install 1 o 2 little weights to restore the tires balancing. Bear in mind that even small holes in the asphalt can change the balancing...
I think that is too nitpicky. Most tire shops will not check your tire balance when they rotate your tires, only when they install new ones or have repairs done to the rim. One or two tokens on the wheel do not make a big difference to the driving experience.
@@khuo0219 well.....this how the tyre shop do not act in a professional way. When I go to rotate my tires for 5 euros for each tire they check the balance and usually for every tire they need to add those weights...and I see with my eyes that the tires are not balanced and I feel some vibration at certain speeds... sometimes are hardly perceived, some other times more evident. It is obvious that the axles, the wheels, the suspensions must be in perfect conditions, otherwise you don't feel those vibrations... So, if you want to drive as you should you should check the balance everytime you rotate your wheels, otherwise don't do it. I prefer to spend 20 euros every 15.000 km...so everytime I rotate my wheels.
Not sure I would trust a jack stand on the opposite end of the vehicle to keep it up if the jack failed, even if the car is very rigid. I'd have to see it myself. Center of gravity is of course much different without a heavy engine in the front.. Guess I am just used to working on rusty old ICE cars with my leaky jack and uneven driveway, haha. I am envious of how clean electric vehicles are to work on. The dirtiest regular maintenance component seems like the brakes if you drive on salted roads. No more oil changes or suspension greasing would be great.
Can I use a 2 ton jack with jackstands?
Your car (model Y) weighs about 2.5 tons, when you jack up the car, it is usually one side (two wheels off the ground), so you are lifting 1.25 tons at a time. 2 tons should be fine, but I would use a 3 ton jackstand because they are higher and give you more clearance when you change the tire.
I will mention an important point for everyone to read!
The first time you take your brand new car to a shop and you watch an idiot set his impact wrench to the maximum torque setting.
Then you see him take the first lug nut and fully tighten it down ALL THE WAY! He doesn't bother to hand tighten the lug nuts first and make sure that the wheel is properly aligned.
Then he precedes to put all the other lug nuts down at 200 plus foot pounds bending the heck out of your rim, studs, and even possibly warping your brake rotors.
I have not seen a single mechanic properly center the rim on the studs in over 30 years!
Here is the proper way to do it!
1. Put Tire onto the studs.
2. Hand tighten all lug nuts until they stop.
3. With the palms of your hands. Start banging on the side walls of the tire all around in a circle many times. This vibration helps to center the rim on the studs perfectly.
4. Continue alternating between banging on the side walls with your palms of your hands all around in a circle and hand tightening the lug nuts until they will no longer go down anymore.
5. Then, and ONLY then, do you snug them up more and lower the tire to touch the ground.
6. Proceed with tightening the lug nuts in a star pattern. You want to start at roughly 30 foot pounds first. Do two or three intervals working up to the manufacturer's recommended torque spec.
THAT is how you properly center a rim on the studs and tighten it down without messing anything up!
This is not a true tire rotation. I have yet to see a Tesla owner demonstrate how to jack both sides using just one jack. A true tire rotation involves moving the back tires to the front and crossing the removed front tires to the rear. I am guessing after placing the jack stand at the rear that the jack can be removed and another jack stand put into it’s place. Then jacking the other side. Sounds dicey to me. Too bad there isn’t another point to place a jack stand. Using two jacks probably works better but guessing it would be easier to just pay Discount Tire to rotate and check the balance at the same time. Anyone know if a TPMS tool is needed to re-program wheel location after rotation?
If we can afford a Tesla, we can afford TWO or FOUR jacks and jack stands…
Rotation Sequence every 5k Miles. I will personally do 3,500 miles given that these vehicles are heavy and I let it rip every once in a while…
D side to D side Rear
P side to P side Rear
D side Rear to P side Front
P side Rear to D side Front
And I continue rotation whichever miles you prefer…
Anyone not using a jack stand may have never seen a jack fail and someone hospitalised .
Some people are "High Maintenance", just like a Tesla. Constant High Maintenance. Constant Stress.
I would say it is more important to change brakefluid every 2 years but I am pretty sure thats done more soldom by people than tire rotation!🤔
That’s a performance model with staggered tires/wheels you can’t do that given the size difference from front to back.
Sorry, but a shop specialist would inspect the condition of the tires, rebalance each one, insure the correct tire pressure and install and torque each lug nut. A better specialists also looks at brakes pads, suspension and checks for damage, leaks, rust. I gladly pay for the complete service.
You don't need to balance them when doing regular rotation or seasonal tire change. And you can do all of those checks yourself.
Haha our family owns 4 Tesla cars since Model S 2013, S 2015, 2020M3 and MY 2024, never rotated a wheel buy new rear tires every second year. All depends of driving habits and driving style.
If you have an Austin built Model Y AWD with the 4680 batteries and 279 miles of range, those standard pucks DO NOT FIT!!! The holes the pucks fit into are smaller than the other Model Y’s. I have yet to find a set of pucks that fit it.
I decided to take it to Discount Tire and bought their package that does the rotation, balancing, and hazard warranty.
What year is your MY? I would like to know what battery I have in my 2020 AWD MY.
@@marshallhoover7152 2023. It came out in 2022 and they ended production in the Summer of 2023.
Costco does rotation for under $30.
Good tip.
Or you could go to one of the 1172 Discount Stores in the country and get it done for free, including rebalancing if needed. 🤷
I think the second best time to do the rotation was 9,500.1 miles ago, buddy!
Get a breaker bar
First of all, it should not be charging during the tire rotation procedure.
Second of all, a 2-ton jack is more than enough.
Tesla service guy came to my house for warranty repair & lifted my “Y” with out the pucks.
That’s weird. Maybe he had a special jack with pucks integrated into the lift point. If not, that’s a big no no.
Yikes. Hope it was a special jack.
Ya this has happened many times with the mobile techs. No special jack. You don’t need the special pucks , just use care where you place the jack.
@@bluedog9935 No one out in the world uses pucks. I've been to a number of shops for state inspections and tire mounting. Never saw a puck. No damage as far as I can tell.
@@incognitotorpedo42
Really, no one? Yeah, no one has time to reach under the car and install that silly little rubber puck. Just gitter dunn. Besides, what’s the worst that can happen? It’s like safety goggles and seat belts. Why bother, I mean what with the time you save, you could pluck the lint out of your bellybutton.
Please unplug the car when you jack it. Just in case it rolls, this will minimize damage.
Warning
Never raise Model Y when the charge cable is connected, even if charging is not in progress.
Great video for DIY, but most places that you sell you tires rotate for free
Take advantage of it if you can.
Never seen that.