Invincible: Longform Storytelling
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Invincible is an Image comic book written by Robert Kirkman and illustrated by Ryan Ottley. Not only is it one of the best superhero books in recent memory (unfortunately the last issue comes out in February) but it is also one of the few examples of long-form, complete storytelling in a superhero comic. We see our characters grow right in front of us and the book is mirroring real life by ending instead of going on forever.
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I always saw Invincible as an American take on the manga storytelling style done fantastically. Great series!
I never thought of that maybe that why it's my favorite comicbook series. I alway loved how in manga the status quo would alway change as the character grew and you don't really get that in Marvel or DC at less it in another universe like Ultimate Spiderman.
Yeah, first thing I thought when the video started was "So, it did what manga has already been doing for decades now?"
Which is why manga is better than comics.
@@iliveinsideyourhouse3943 yeah, haha, no. Not when you read other kinds of comics, when you expand beyond superheros you'll find a bunch of excellent stories. Not that manga is inferior as there are many fantastic mangas, but it isn't better either.
@@fbritannia
Well ok then, both are good but I find the writing of manga to be much more better than comics.
Invincible is my all time favorite fictional story of all time and this video is exactly WHY I love it so much. Amazing job!
Comic Drake Have you made a video a video about your thoughts on “The End Of All Thing”? I know you love this series, and I’d love to hear your thoughts on it.
Comic Drake invincible is definitely my favourite comic book ever.
i think the writer and illustrator should totally do spider-man at some point
@@nicolahill5737 Ryan ottly is working spider currently
Likewise.
Just finished the comics, currently watching the show. When they say it's 'The Greatest Superhero Comic Book in the Universe', they really mean it!
This is the reason why I like comics by Kirkman, he writes his comics in a very similar way as many Europeans and Japanese do.
I wish you American's would have more comic writers like Kirkman.
Then I am guessing you have never read Hellboy of Mind mgmt seeing how those comics also have similar story telling.
So do we, but I think another problem might be the executives and business end of our comics industry
Many indie comics do similar things like Japanese manga in terms of there story telling .
Super Old comment, but it's not the writers, it's that you can't look to DC and Marvel comics for that, it's antithetical to their nature, read basically any indie comic and you'll get that same form of storytelling.
@@Fatboyftw32 Exactly, heck even in Marvel and DC you get a great handful of authors that know their run is finite and they tell a whole complete story with the time alloted. The good stuff is still there sometimes. The company and next writing team are down to throw all that long form storytelling away at a whim though.
Invincible is probably my favorite comic run other than ultimate spider man
They both share a lot of traits too, so that makes perfect sense. I plan on briefly talking about Invincible in my next video, about one of my favorite comic book storytelling mechanisms, so keep your eyes peeled!
I love how this guy ends every sentence like he’s asking a... question?
Kirkman changed his mind about ending Invincible and that was one of the best decisions of his life
will there be new content? I just read all the comics
These characters burrowed their way into my heart, after I got done reading the series, it felt like I lost friends that I’ll never see again.
There has to be a animated series of Invincible.
Afrika Smith that could only be streamed. It's better off as a live action s3ries or movie.
I don't know. That's Marvel and DC Territory. Although, it would probably do a lot better than most of those films/and/or those shows with the right actors and especially the right director. I would suggest putting it on a Adult only Program. But I think most animated directors in America doesn't want to create a none comedy animated series for Adults. That's why I personally lost my taste for Adult Swim a while back. It's like people have forgotten about Afro Samurai or Spawn the Animated series. Yeah, Spawn was rough around the edges, but it had potential. Also 2018 means we have adults in this generation that grew up in the 80's and 90's and got into anime. But I'm getting ahead of myself. My point is that if television wants to change in order to compete against the Internet in the adult animated department, then they have to change. Because whose to say some idiot director won't screw up on making a live action film or a live action show of Invincible, only to have it condemned or ignored by critics so it can have a better chance on Netflix. Remember Dare Devil?
Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg are making a film now. Fingers crossed it's actually good but who really knows how it will be. If it does well, I imagine them spreading it out into a series of movies or a tv show to get the full story in.
Afrika Smith great news Invincible has been green lit for an animated series. Coming from Amazon Prime studios.
It definitely needs one. Maybe for Adult Swim. Or Netflix.
What an amazing run this comic books, it is bummer that Kirkman ending Invincible, but it has to be done the good story.
The best part is, he’s gone in and going in to improve the story even more for the animated show.
"The reason manga story telling is better" the video
I mean not really. Long form storytelling is better but that doesn’t mean comic runs from these major companies don’t have nice complete stories. Since it is a multiverse for them, they can tell many more short stories. But yeah, we do miss out on some of the benefits of having epic Long form storytelling.
But, it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of thing since the MCU is basically long form storytelling in live action form, with the addition of all their characters getting development. And this allows them to even advance on the long form manga style which only focuses on a group of people throughout its run whom often times have plot armor as well. Whereas now with Marvel combining long form and “multiverse” style storytelling, they can kill off their main characters like iron man and captain America and still keep building their universe with new and old characters.
Basically what I’m saying is that there are benefits to both styles of storytelling and that one isn’t superior to the other. It maybe easier to get into if there is only 1 iteration of a character and 1 universe that expands around them, but a multiverse type storytelling isn’t inferior and has its own advantages as well.
@@jasonphung1795 Yeah, that's what I meant. Manga is easier to follow or "get into" since it's just one big comic but that doesn't mean it's superior/better storytelling Vs western comics.
I feel like accessibility is more of an issue since in the west there isn't a shounen jump or something that releases weekly where people can just get that and read a bunch of comics in one go. It's all individual with different release times and therefore becomes less convenient for the masses.
Let me tell you something, there are some times when Manga is better than comics but when it comes to indie comics like this with the work of an actual writer and artist. Stuff gets easy to follow but when it comes to manga like Naruto, things get contrived later on.
Although contrived storytelling can mostly come from Marvel and DC.
@@jmachero5852 That's a silly statement to make since all platforms (not just comics and manga) suffer from contrived storytelling as well as repeating storytelling.
so glad their finnishing it when its good, not keep pounding it like spawn.
Eh, I'd argue the series hit it's peek awhile back.
+Gabriel Robau with which story?
Invincible #109 was the last good issue.
obviously in my opinion
@@SWAGACORN You didn't like the robot arc? I thought it was awesome.
I read the first Invincible Omnibus, and since then I’ve been addicted.
The corry and Topanga comparison was spot on and a perfect touchstone I feel for what I assume the general age of the readership was: that being born between 1980-1990. We grew up alongside mark & Eve and got married and had kids and probably got too busy to get lost in the BS of weekly Marvel\DC, but always found time to pick up our stack of Science Dog eventually.
It's written like a manga
More like a traditional epic story.
I've almost finished the 1st collection book, and I must say it is absolutely amazing, Robert Kirkman is such an interesting and talented writer.
A finite story and continuing serialized fiction are different things. Pros and cons exist for both. I mean, if Daredevil had come to an end, there wouldn't have been Frank Miller's Born Again, Alan Moore would never have had the opportunity to write that Superman annual, and The Long Hallowe'en would have been 50 years after Batman's story wrapped up.
It's largely apples and oranges.
Christian Forbes .. Agreed, we do need both, but as a matter of fact the ratio between finite stories with clear beginning, middle and a conclusive ending like Invincible and infinite stories that keep reseting like most DC and Marvel superheroes is almost 1 to 99, we need a lot more superhero epics like Invincible.
I wish there were more also the only other super epic that had a beginning middle and end is Ultimate Spider.
@@jiabryant533 You might want to try Tony Harris' Starman from DC. It has a beginning, middle and end. It is another nice look at a "legacy" hero.
Think the best way to go about is kinda have a bit of both worlds. Make one main story with a clear beginning, middle and end. But then you can expand upon the previous story, with side stories, prequels and sequels... Possibly even make it a legacy title, where although the protagonists have a definite end, the world it all took place in still goes on, with new main characters taking the spotlight.
So there is still a merit for continuation even if character arcs have an ending.
@@AscendantStoic Its not visual, just reading. But if you want another long form, gritty superhero story you should read Worm by Wildbow. It was a web serial that the author wrote weekly with a finite storyline. There’s a sequel as well
Just finished reading the series last night and trying to fill the void. This video helps put into words what I loved so much about this series.
Ahhh, I'm sorry you're done with the amazing story but thank you for the kind words! Go watch the cartoon asap!
It's like Shounen Manga
voko axecer exactly what I was thinking when I was reading the final issues. Even when I started reading it, it felt like dbz but with superheroes.
It also way more brutal than any shonen manga.
@@iliveinsideyourhouse1367 you havent read much shounen manga then.
The Capitalistic Dictator certainly there thousands of other manga that are more graphic than invincible. But shone n don’t even come close to being as violent
And Dragon Ball characters could one shot Invincible.
I should have expected spoilers, but as someone who has only watched the TV series, it does make me feel excited to see the next seasons come out knowing that I've only seen the start to a much greater work
I finished reading Invincible last night and I fucking love it. I love the invincible universe and I read everything that tie in that universe. Like: "The Astounding Wolf-Man, Brit, Capes, Guarding the Globe, Invincible Presents: Atom Eve & Rex Splode, Invincible Universe, SuperPatriot, Tech Jacket, Noble causes, Dynamo 5 and Science Dog." Ps: I think the strongest villain is in the Tech Jacket series.
Come on dude, even if I kill the joker he'll just show up later like "surprise! I'm back from the dead bitches!". So cut me some slack.
But I do like your videos. Subscribed.
Bruce Wayne you have no excuses for not executing your rouge gallery
i like how the art gets better and better with each volume
Well this video has convinced me to give this series a shot at some point, maybe after finishing Swamp Thing.
+Toast-Ghost wow thanks man! Remember to come back here and tell me what your thoughts are!
Great take on Invincible, this series is incredible and you don't find many people talking about this magnificent story. Keep up the great work.
SO hyped for the show staring in a few hours.
Started reading some of the books again. It's just such a great comic for all the reasons you named.
I Discovered invincible many years back when i went on a german superhero forum and asked for a comic. Always had been a big fan of spider-man, but grew annoyed by all the restarts and resets of everything, sadly every other book seemed to do the same and i just outright asked "Is there a superhero comic that dos not do this?" and someone told me "Invincible is exactly what you are looking for!" and BOY was it ever. Until comixology finally got around to offering it digitally on the day of release i did everything to get the current issue asap via other means after i caught up via the ultimate collections.
Actually i only picked up the walking dead because i liked invincible so much and wanted more from that writer. I will never forget how disappointed i was when the TV show just turned out catastrophic (i don't mind people making money, but boy oh boy the writing is terrible)... i hope this is a great show, a big hit and on top of that gives TWD a second shot by becoming a animated show more true to the story consistency and darkness of the book. Streaming with it's smaller "viewers per show" audience size would probably open it up for that as AMC probably liked that their adoption did not turn people of by deep darkness.
But for now, lets go Invincible! This is going to be great!
I had heard of the comic, though like a lot of people what got me into the series was the TV series. Then I binged the comic and loved it. I loved seeing how our characters grew, changed over time, and how Mark tried to recover from his mistakes. We see out hero do some unsavory things but unlike with the Mark Millar style edginess that infected mainstream comics this series managed to make it work by making it clear he was making mistakes and didn't expect any second chances after them.
At a certain point he even felt Mark wasn't cut out to be hero before his sense of justice was renewed by the finale. Not being willing to sacrifice his family for a vague purpose wasn't a sign Mark wasn't a hero. As the series has pointed out it's easy to talk about making sacrifices until the life of someone you care about hangs in the balance.
After reading the final issue it was heartwarming to read Kirkman's look back at the comic where he stated he moved the deaths of the Guardians of the Globe to earlier in the story than he originally planned because he wasn't sure how long the comic was going to last.
You nailed it perfectly!! The art is amazing, the story is better than any other comic if ever read, the characters evolve and grow, it's like nothing I've ever read and I will reread many times over my life time
Thanks, Mark! Happy you liked it. I know I'll be rereading this series many times throughout my life. Curious what I'll think when I'm a dad particularly
@@RickNazden I'm a dad and there a lot of things that hit home and draw you in even more. Especially since my wife and I started dating in high school so I've made a lot of connections reading Invincible and just adds to the experience. It's just awesome 😃
The issue with never ending series that always find a way to continue, making events mean less, is an american comic issue, and more specifically, a marvel/DC issue. There are manga that go on a long time, and indie series as well, but even those eventually end, or are not always the most popular. I do want more original characters that don't have to worry about legacy baggage and actually end
Invincible was so incredible and that final issue was perfect! This video was right on the money!
Long form storytelling is why manga is taking over comics
I was always going to check out invincible but this video has really made me more excited to check it out thanks.
Finished the comics today, so good!
I’m two minutes into watching this and immediately agree 100%. Beautiful!
Invincible sounds dope as hell, I just bought all 3 of the compendium volumes, can't wait to read them 👍🏾.
Finally found you Comic Drake. I remember when your vid popped up in recommendation, and by God I'm glad it did. I have nothing to say but thank you. If it weren't for you I'd never had even heard about Invincible. Just thank you man.
Excellent! Just excellent!
Invincible is an instant classic!
Great video !
Awesome video, I really appreciate your thoughtful look at the comic medium and the potential it has for weighty emotional stories. How about that in-depth look at Saga we've all been waiting for?
Invincible feels like more of a TV show than a comic
Hey I remember that illustration at the end, I saw it on a cover of "Frankenstein" I bought for a college class!
Yes maaan just discovering this channel you mister have captured the feel of reading invincible it's one of the best superhero book I've read but I stopped some years ago, really should pick this up again sometime. Love your comicbook videos!
So much happens from issue one till now. I can't just get back into it for the finale. I have to read the whole thing again.
Dude, you are criminally undersubscribed.
Appreciate it 🙏 gots lot of new stuff coming to keep the current ones happy
Nice video
Freak, I need to get back reading Invincible.
You probably won’t see this but I really like this video and I agree with this video showing so much love for the comics. This was my first comic that I read and I did it in 1 week, needless to say I love this story and it’s end. However one thing I disagree with is Batman. The idea that Batman just lets the Joker live to kill is what makes him special. There are so many great stories like under the red hood that stems from that fact. Also Batman did kill, he was called Azrael and it showed us that a Batman that kills is not Batman but another lame 90s overkill edge lord. Batman shouldn’t kill and his lack of change is a benefit of the story rather than a detriment imo. That being said this is one of the best breakdowns on Invincible, gave this vid a like!
This comic is my number 1 favorite comic on my top 10 list!
Great video as always. Would you ever consider doing a comparison between the Kingsman film and comic or the Kick Ass film and comic? Both of which are examples where the films I feel, are superior to the Mark Miller comics.
Compare Wanted film and comic too ? Also written by Mark Millar.
15 dislikes are from Alternate Mark Graysons
Sad to see Invincible go but it has had a helluva good long run, and it's better to see it end on a high note than to watch it to decline waiting for it all to end (kinda like a couple of webcomics I've been reading lol)
Great video but why did you have to pick such a goofy photo of Kirkman at the end? 😂 lol
Damnit now I have to read this.
Bought Comp 1
That's what I'm talking about! Started it yet?
So It Goes I've read six issues I'm saving it for the weekend. Thanks for introducing me to this comic! I'm sure I'll end up getting all 3 comps
Nice. I hope you enjoy every single damn panel! I'd love to hear your thoughts on the first volume after you've read it, so try to remember to come back and mention your favorite parts once you're done!
So It Goes yeah definitely.
Read 144 then 54 Then realize that 54 can be disregarded but 144 is the cause of issue 54. But the ending was satisfying. Doing what he needs to do when necessary is a sign of Marks maturity learning his flaws and actively working on them but he still grows. Growth sticks, changes stick, death's stick betrayal's stick. And you along with Mark feel all of it on his journey. One thing that I liked is that there was no cheap cop outs and Mark is actually shown training. Invincible is forever an underrated series.
I'm genuinely interested now, it seems like a good in between from manga to comic reading so I'll most likely look for it.
I wished Invincible series come back to us
It's really all I want from life
Thank you so much for convincing me to check out this wonderful book. Anyone else dying for an animated series?
Happy you liked it! If you remember this comment, let me know what you think once you're a good way into the series. An animated series would be awesome, but Seth Rogen is actually writing a live action movie at the moment so we'll see what is possible after the character becomes more popular with the general audience.
So It Goes Oh man, I finished it and re-read some of my favorite moments in the span of a week. I couldn't stop reading. Also Seth Rogen? I am cautiously optimistic.
What is the interview footage featuring Kirkman and Ottley from? I've been searching for an interview or panel with the both of them, but haven't been able to find it.
The best superhero comic in the universe
Incredible video review love this book
Do you do review request
Yes and no? I definitely see comment requests and keep them in mind for my own ideas, but I have to discuss projects im passionate about-especirally during the pandemic- or the video just wont get done
Rick Nazden ok I was asking because my name is Branson Grant creator of The Protector saga now available on Amazon and in development into a comic by DC artist Carlo Barberi and was wondering if you wanted to check it out
Rick Nazden do you work with creators
We All have bring In another factor why Invincible came to an end Before walking Dead(not like that's gonna end) is because It was Largely unknown before the series and it wasn't image's money raking machine like Spawn or Wildcats (back in the 90s).
But things may change now never say never.
That's my take on it
Basicly if comic book heroes was a manga
Great in-depth review!
Also, what's the blues music at the end of the video?
It's B.B. King's "I Believe to My Soul" Live from Africa 1974!
A lot of people don't like the altruistic ending, but I think that's what any sane person would want irl.
Great vid
Something i thought about in the final issue... When Eve Died of Old Age, but then Brought back by her powers, wouldn't she technically outlive Mark and Their Daughter at some point?
I really enjoyed Invincible until it was obvious Kirkman's writing is meant to go on for as long as the fan base has interest, not necessarily to get to a point. When the comic stopped running for a time it was because interest in the comic was dwindling, and Kirkman realized he needed to tie it off. The walking dead was stale right after the prison but it persisted for years due to a strong fan base. His writing is similar to George RR, but RR concludes stories long before their expiration. Kirkmans stories go on like a long winded shonen, where you eventually just get bored that the story has never seen an ultimate purpose, just one plot twist endlessly leading to another.
While this series and others have finally concluded, it comes at well past the best and ultimately most important points of the story. Everything past the prison in the walking dead comic is regurgitation. I have yet to finish invincible because I grew quite numb to the constant string of hero failure which never seemed to lead to valuable enough lessons or lead to a point, just an endless string of shock value in your face, which loses all value after a period of time.
Kirkman has proven to be fantastic at starting stories, but displays a consistent track record of botching the middle onto the end.
I'll take Invincible over any of the main stream heroes though. At least invincible felt real for a time while the main stream bozos are beyond fucking fake.
I want an Invincible Movie by DC right fucking now!
They should make an invincible animated series
They are!!! It was announced last month and will be on Amazon. I'm so freaking excited
So It Goes HELL YEAH
"Strongest fighter in the universe", huh? Broly, Jiren, Goku, Beerus, and Vegeta would like to have a word with you.
Bruh
@@kingofapocalypsedarkseid2686 If you believe otherwise. Then enlighten me.
Marvel never gets criticized. It's always DC. If that's the case then by now Batman should be 80 years old in the books if we're going to do continuity.
How is Mark the strongest Viltumite if he is younger than Thragg and Conquest and is part human?
He's got a mean case of protagonist syndrome
A+
Im doing longterm storytelling w my comic
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Killing Joke
Dark Knight Returns
Europa
Death in the Family
Endgame
Want to have a word with you.
Inb4 "but it was non-canon/Joker returned later" so what, it's still counts.
Just like Superman counts as first ultra masculine "edgy", stoic vigilante, even if certain writers or some people that barely knows history of this character perceive him otherwise.
yay invincible
i read the 1st 60 comics in a week
Kirkman was obviously very heavily influenced by Savage Dragon, IMO. Invincible is almost a perfected version of Larson's take on the superhero genre.
I bought the first trade of invincible and I really didn't like it that much. it was kind of underwhelming because being a superhero seems so ordinary and common in the world that it kind of devalues the superhero genre. this video convinced me to stick with it but can someone tell me, does it ever change or all they all similar to the first few issues
It gets way better. Give it a chance.
Is there really no chance for a sequel?
the prestiger klopt Kirkman did try to do some spinoff but they all ended way before this
Bring up some interesting points about invincible the story does feel like a continuity almost like a TV series so you could say like with arrow in the flash although I think now a lot of comic books are following the same path to with the stories that they have in mine and her sometimes it’s a hit or miss but yeah invincible does have some good continuity
4:26 do I even want to know what happened
Yep, definitely not one of Mark's best moments.
Why’d you spoil 😭
Ugh sorry! I made this long before the animated show was even in preproduction!
I couldn't go throught the whole video because you finish every sentence in a weird question-like tone, I am sure you had some good points but mate sort it out
work in progress. Thanks for watching what you did.
It's his accent dude...
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This video? Is such a good analysis? Unlike most nerdy TH-cam videos? This one is well written! But the delivery? Is pretty darn awkward.
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Hey,what about Ultimate Spider-Man(the first one)?His story had an ending.
Truthfully, I haven't read the whole series so I can't comment too much. But form what I know, it's a retelling of years worth of Spider-Man stories in a fresh, condensed manner. So yeah, there's a completeish story, but it went through rehashed plot points to get there. I've only heard good things about the series, so I'm definitely not knocking it!
Make it a series. On Netflix
An animated version is coming to Amazon Prime soon, so hopefully it will be an adaptation worth watching!
Thank god it's not on Netflix. They'd fuck it up some how
so you mean manga?
@Daniel Castro
Yeah, except Invincible's team had two months to finish an issue. Where as some mangaka, have a week to finish a single chapter.
@@DemonicRemption thats expected, manga are usually made by a single person, while you have many people making a comic
That’s my problem with heroes like Batman. To me every victim their villain gets to is their fault. They had the power to stop them but chose not to.
Yeah it's an interesting social construct most heroes cling to, but I also respect it and appreciate it in my heroes. I cover something along these lines in my Death of Jason Todd video coming this week 🙌
I think that makes him so much more interesting , it’s not a matter of bad and good.
It depends on the character and their motivations. Batman doesn’t chose to kill for various reasons depending on the writer. But I believe he can be written in a way where not killing the super villain still makes sense.
Wait does he cheat on Eve with a female vultrimite?
john the man good The female viltrumite rapes him
@@orlandoandresaravenarivera7820 And she died.
Read dragonball
While it might be because I've only read the first two volume's, I find Invincible overwhelmingly unoriginal and dropped it the moment I saw a knock off Justice League appear. Like... A trope filled story is all right, but the amount of similarities this story has with other comic books drags it down a lot imho.
I'm sorry, but did you really compare that frigid mess of a relationship to Corey and Topanga? Those two are MILES out of their league,
This video would be like 4 minutes long if you didn't talk like that. I really wish it was too. It's so annoying.
Thanks for watching my annoying content!
psst... psst!... hey!... manga does it all the time. Just saying.
Very true! I'm talking strictly American here, sonny