Great advice. I lived in Montana 15 years. Similar results for drawing as you Randy. My kiddos were born in Helena, they have great memories. We had to take a different approach and instead of living with our limited budget and not drawing the sheep and moose tags we instead hunt and fish Alaska.
Just for reference, I'm a utah resident, there's 119 resident moose tags.. but there's 23,776 applicants last year, and 3,183 people with over 20 points already... think about your odds now😂
Been trying to get a moose tag in maine for awhile now. The odds aren't great. In 2023, there were 26,204 non-resident applicants for 394 permits, resulting in a selection rate of 1.5% or about one permit for every 67 applicants.
Love the videos. Thanks for the help. I have never been on any of these hunts. I am doing my best to prepare. My goal is to put meat in the freezer. I like to know your ranking on best meat. Best chance to to get it regardless of season or weapon. Some references on finding an outfitter/scout/teacher. tyvm
Great video - I gave up on this years ago when i connected the dots. Even if you draw its still a big expense in money and time. If you do tag a good specimen, then then you mount it and have another dust collector that your kids are going to trash when you die so at the end of the day….i would rather spend my hard earned dollars on something of value to me and thats not another critter on the wall.
Thanks Randy!!!! You are soooo right! Big money rules!!! But with a little guidance and good sense, we can use tag applications to our advantage! Thank you so much for putting this video together and may we continue to benefit from your wisdom!!!!!!!! Coming to you from Arkansas…. Thanks
I feel like that classic scene from National Lampoon’s Vegas Vacation applies to these nonres tags. The dealer (state f&g) takes Clark (nonres applicant) aside and says “how about you give me half the $ you’re gonna bet and I’ll take ya out back and kick you in the balls!”
I drew a moose tag after 13 years of applying (Washington State). I know a guy that drew a moose tag his second time applying (also Washington State). Both resident tags.
Can you please post your table of costs vs sunk-costs, etc.? This dashboard table was very succinct and handy...as sad as its conclusions are to accept. Thanks!
I only apply on Wyoming cause I’m a resident and probably will never draw but I’m in too deep now. What I do in other states is purchase raffle tickets through organizations like Big horn sheep society etc and for super tags! The cost is relatively low that way!
When i lived in wyoming (wish i would have stayed there now) i went hunting with a friend of mine who grew up there and drew a area 34 any moose tag. His second in his life. Crazy part was he'd only applied three times! Others that live there were and are sitting on 30 points still waiting. Thats a lucky sumbich.
Semantics perhaps, but no one in Wyoming has 30 points. Max right now I believe is 28. You can get into a bull moose hunt for a lot less than 28 too. Maybe not the best unit in the state, but good opportunity nonetheless.
This video made me laugh. I just moved for work from Montana to Wyoming and was debating if I should continue buying points in Montanas big 3 or just put that money to hunting elk/deer in wy and mt.
@@josephindahl6388and for a non resident, having a guide could easily be a good thing. Midwesterner of a Southerner getting into the mountains for sheep, goat, or even elk for the first time.
I live in Maine, we have a lot of moose tags, lots of moose, and really big moose. If you want to hunt moose, Maine is definitely the state to apply. It’s a cheap hunt too. Most people just shoot them in the road on opening day getting to their spot. It’s a 2 shooter hunt and that alone doubles your odds of going. Most make it a family trip and everyone in the family applies. If anyone gets a tag you all go. For moose you need a lot of manpower. Plus one bull will feed everyone in your family all year or more. You don’t need to draw yourself to go moose hunting. You just need anyone in your hunting party to draw. You don’t even need to draw yourself to shoot. You only need to be a sub permitee on the tag. If you want to hunt moose, get your whole hunting party to apply in Maine. Be patient, someone will draw and it could be you or your sub permitee.
this is the reason i only apply for the maine moose lottery and the maine any deer permits but i live in maine and more of a meat hunter then antler hunter
But i thought the justification of recruiting more hunters was the state agencies needed all the tag application money and to heck with the statistics showing poorer odds year after year?
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take - Wayne Gretzky. Odds are horrible for sheep no matter what state you live in. But, unless you can buy the “Gov’s tag” for 300k, the draw is the only way to do it… may never draw, but if you don’t put in.. that will be guaranteed.
If in 1992 when Randy started applying for sheep applied in Wyoming and continued to buy points he would have drawn a sheep tag and would not be 0 for 300. He would have drawn a sheep AND moose tag probably 7-8 years ago. He is wrong that the changes in their system put him in a no draw situation. I started applying in Wyoming 1998, 6 years after Randy got into the game, and drew moose in 2018 and sheep in 2023
Wish you brought up east coast moose, Vermont and New Hampshire are terrible but Maine has far and away the largest moose herd in the lower 48 granted their system is screwy
Another angle is that you could just save that same money and go on 1-2 guided hunts for one of those species in your lifetime 30 years down the road instead of dumping it all right now and never getting the chance to really go
Sheep raffle tickets + draw application fees = Lottery Tickets I don't buy tickets to the Powerball, etc., but I do spend money on applying for Sheep. I am choosing to look at it as a form of entertainment.......that temporary delusional hope I have throughout the Spring that I might actually draw one.
Arizona resident/native. I’d love it if everyone stayed in their own darn state. I’d also like to know how much the Arizona Game & Fish pays “influencers”. I know for a fact they do but the public info officer would only give me one name. Hmmmmm. Hunting should not be a business enterprise or I should say, a cut throat enterprise. Just my opinion as a life long subsistence hunter.
I would like to sue the State of WY for 20+ years of application and point fees. When I started applying, it would take ~10 yrs of points and the license fee was ~$400. WY has suckered in thousands of sportsmen like myself to a game where they constantly change the rules so that it takes an absurd amt of money and luck to even draw, only to pay an exorbitant license fee. All of those sportsmen with decades of points/$ invested feel they can't get out, the state has got them and they know it. My advice to anyone considering getting in these ridiculous draws is to heed what Randy is saying; this is a spectacularly bad use of your $ and time. You are better off going to a casino or just buy scatch offs and hope to win a million and buy a tag. Any attorneys out there interested in a class action?
If you’re young and can burn some money over your life, and especially if you live in a state with those species, then yes. I do not so I’m saving up for Alaska hunts someday.
When Wyoming changed the allotments to nonresidents I cut my loses at 19 points which is too bad. I knew that statistically I could never draw and spending $150 per point was unnecessary, save that for a hunt with my son in Alaska.
It is not a good use of your hunting budget...but if you are the type that buy lottery tickets, carry on because it might keep you out of my hunting areas,
This video made me laugh. I just moved for work from Montana to Wyoming and was debating if I should continue buying points in Montanas big 3 or just put that money to hunting elk/deer in wy and mt.
Great advice.
I lived in Montana 15 years. Similar results for drawing as you Randy. My kiddos were born in Helena, they have great memories. We had to take a different approach and instead of living with our limited budget and not drawing the sheep and moose tags we instead hunt and fish Alaska.
Just for reference, I'm a utah resident, there's 119 resident moose tags.. but there's 23,776 applicants last year, and 3,183 people with over 20 points already... think about your odds now😂
In other words, keep applying for moose in Utah people. Pay no mind to the mountain goats or bison.
Been trying to get a moose tag in maine for awhile now. The odds aren't great. In 2023, there were 26,204 non-resident applicants for 394 permits, resulting in a selection rate of 1.5% or about one permit for every 67 applicants.
Love the videos. Thanks for the help. I have never been on any of these hunts. I am doing my best to prepare. My goal is to put meat in the freezer. I like to know your ranking on best meat. Best chance to to get it regardless of season or weapon. Some references on finding an outfitter/scout/teacher. tyvm
Great video - I gave up on this years ago when i connected the dots. Even if you draw its still a big expense in money and time. If you do tag a good specimen, then then you mount it and have another dust collector that your kids are going to trash when you die so at the end of the day….i would rather spend my hard earned dollars on something of value to me and thats not another critter on the wall.
Thanks Randy!!!! You are soooo right! Big money rules!!! But with a little guidance and good sense, we can use tag applications to our advantage! Thank you so much for putting this video together and may we continue to benefit from your wisdom!!!!!!!! Coming to you from Arkansas…. Thanks
I’ve been blessed in the draws. Do my own research and applications. Drawn CO Bighorn, MT Moose and NV Desert Bighorn.
I feel like that classic scene from National Lampoon’s Vegas Vacation applies to these nonres tags. The dealer (state f&g) takes Clark (nonres applicant) aside and says “how about you give me half the $ you’re gonna bet and I’ll take ya out back and kick you in the balls!”
I drew a moose tag after 13 years of applying (Washington State). I know a guy that drew a moose tag his second time applying (also Washington State). Both resident tags.
If I draw washington moose in 13 years I will be a happy man. :D
Can you please post your table of costs vs sunk-costs, etc.? This dashboard table was very succinct and handy...as sad as its conclusions are to accept. Thanks!
I only apply on Wyoming cause I’m a resident and probably will never draw but I’m in too deep now. What I do in other states is purchase raffle tickets through organizations like Big horn sheep society etc and for super tags! The cost is relatively low that way!
When i lived in wyoming (wish i would have stayed there now) i went hunting with a friend of mine who grew up there and drew a area 34 any moose tag. His second in his life. Crazy part was he'd only applied three times! Others that live there were and are sitting on 30 points still waiting. Thats a lucky sumbich.
Semantics perhaps, but no one in Wyoming has 30 points. Max right now I believe is 28. You can get into a bull moose hunt for a lot less than 28 too. Maybe not the best unit in the state, but good opportunity nonetheless.
Randy please, for the love of all things, fix that damn “L” and “D” in your Leupold decal. It drives me crazy! 😂
Randy now you have to keep it the way it is just to drive @mlanger1989 🥜 😂
Now you’ve got me lookin at it! 😳🤬😂
@@southdakotasaved126 it’s progressively getting worse too 😂
Thoughts on Maine Moose? I heard they are a littler easier plus the app fee is like 15 bucks.
Even for residents
Where is Washington? Is it not worth? Or have I not made it far enough in the vid yet
What are the ages of applicants in these Preference point pools? How many will age out?
This video made me laugh. I just moved for work from Montana to Wyoming and was debating if I should continue buying points in Montanas big 3 or just put that money to hunting elk/deer in wy and mt.
For Moose go to Canada or Alaska
id say the same for goat and sheep, but you have to have a guide if you arent a resident for those species
Likely cheaper in the long run
@@josephindahl6388and for a non resident, having a guide could easily be a good thing. Midwesterner of a Southerner getting into the mountains for sheep, goat, or even elk for the first time.
Thanx Randy!
I live in Maine, we have a lot of moose tags, lots of moose, and really big moose. If you want to hunt moose, Maine is definitely the state to apply. It’s a cheap hunt too. Most people just shoot them in the road on opening day getting to their spot. It’s a 2 shooter hunt and that alone doubles your odds of going. Most make it a family trip and everyone in the family applies. If anyone gets a tag you all go. For moose you need a lot of manpower. Plus one bull will feed everyone in your family all year or more. You don’t need to draw yourself to go moose hunting. You just need anyone in your hunting party to draw. You don’t even need to draw yourself to shoot. You only need to be a sub permitee on the tag. If you want to hunt moose, get your whole hunting party to apply in Maine. Be patient, someone will draw and it could be you or your sub permitee.
this is the reason i only apply for the maine moose lottery and the maine any deer permits but i live in maine and more of a meat hunter then antler hunter
But i thought the justification of recruiting more hunters was the state agencies needed all the tag application money and to heck with the statistics showing poorer odds year after year?
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take - Wayne Gretzky. Odds are horrible for sheep no matter what state you live in. But, unless you can buy the “Gov’s tag” for 300k, the draw is the only way to do it… may never draw, but if you don’t put in.. that will be guaranteed.
If in 1992 when Randy started applying for sheep applied in Wyoming and continued to buy points he would have drawn a sheep tag and would not be 0 for 300. He would have drawn a sheep AND moose tag probably 7-8 years ago. He is wrong that the changes in their system put him in a no draw situation. I started applying in Wyoming 1998, 6 years after Randy got into the game, and drew moose in 2018 and sheep in 2023
Wyoming is once in life time now for them spices
Wish you brought up east coast moose, Vermont and New Hampshire are terrible but Maine has far and away the largest moose herd in the lower 48 granted their system is screwy
As hunters we need to encourage each other not to apply 🤣😂
Why not include states like Maine when you’re talking about moose?
If you're over 40 with less than 15-20pts... Good Luck.
Another angle is that you could just save that same money and go on 1-2 guided hunts for one of those species in your lifetime 30 years down the road instead of dumping it all right now and never getting the chance to really go
Sheep raffle tickets + draw application fees = Lottery Tickets
I don't buy tickets to the Powerball, etc., but I do spend money on applying for Sheep. I am choosing to look at it as a form of entertainment.......that temporary delusional hope I have throughout the Spring that I might actually draw one.
I'm also guilty of that. Marcus calls himself a "degenerate gambler" when sheep raffles are invovled.
It’s definitely tough to draw MSG no matter the state but one thing is 100%. If you don’t apply you will 100% not draw.
.09% was the draw odds the year I was successful in drawing my Desert Sheep tag in Nevada. I had 11 points.
Congrats.Clean livin' will get you that kind of luck. 🤣
Arizona resident/native. I’d love it if everyone stayed in their own darn state. I’d also like to know how much the Arizona Game & Fish pays “influencers”. I know for a fact they do but the public info officer would only give me one name. Hmmmmm. Hunting should not be a business enterprise or I should say, a cut throat enterprise. Just my opinion as a life long subsistence hunter.
I would like to sue the State of WY for 20+ years of application and point fees. When I started applying, it would take ~10 yrs of points and the license fee was ~$400. WY has suckered in thousands of sportsmen like myself to a game where they constantly change the rules so that it takes an absurd amt of money and luck to even draw, only to pay an exorbitant license fee. All of those sportsmen with decades of points/$ invested feel they can't get out, the state has got them and they know it. My advice to anyone considering getting in these ridiculous draws is to heed what Randy is saying; this is a spectacularly bad use of your $ and time. You are better off going to a casino or just buy scatch offs and hope to win a million and buy a tag. Any attorneys out there interested in a class action?
sheep goat moose should all be priced at the non-res tag fee for everyone.
After mike ps fresh tracks weekly this title should be "sheep hunt: write a check" 😂 just jokin
Only if you've got time and money
Can’t get a tag if you don’t put your name in the hat!
If you’re young and can burn some money over your life, and especially if you live in a state with those species, then yes. I do not so I’m saving up for Alaska hunts someday.
When Wyoming changed the allotments to nonresidents I cut my loses at 19 points which is too bad. I knew that statistically I could never draw and spending $150 per point was unnecessary, save that for a hunt with my son in Alaska.
It is not a good use of your hunting budget...but if you are the type that buy lottery tickets, carry on because it might keep you out of my hunting areas,
It really comes down to luck.
No
This video made me laugh. I just moved for work from Montana to Wyoming and was debating if I should continue buying points in Montanas big 3 or just put that money to hunting elk/deer in wy and mt.