I'm a Utah resident, and I'm annoyed with our system! Its far too complicated. I'm 71 and don't have time for the point system. ~9 years for antelope, 15+ years for elk, 12+ for deer. and 25+ for once in a lifetime species. My only hope for tags is the portion in the "not really" random draw?. But then its much the same in every state. What states have a random draw? or no point system? Idaho and New Mexico? Where's the options for older hunters? Do a show on that?!
@@Clawson_customs That's nuts! were either youth hunts? I believe you either way. Over the last few years a few resident adults have got sheep tags with 0 or no points.
@jcarry5214 they was not youth hunts. They was both rifle bull tags on the Manti. The bull hunt right before muzzleloader deer hunting season. if I could could post pictures of the elk on her I would
@jcarry5214 I joke around with him telling him that after he turns 21 in a few years he is going to hit the lottery with his first lotto ticket ever haha
@@Clawson_customs That sonofagun. Well I'll drive him to the state line of his choice for 20 percent! Pretty unit, I'm not fit enough to hunt it but I love the area. I assume you're in/around clawson or maybe that's unrelated. There's a chance we might move down there, wife just got a new job, she might have a choice to work out of both Price and Richfield if she decided not to go somewhere else. She already likes it, she's done some work that takes her around Emery Co. I'm still smiling about your boy, good for him. He's got no interest in chasing the pronghorn down in the Swell and giving everyone else a chance? They're probably like raccoons to you guys.
Try getting your kids into hunting with a general tag every 3 years, limited every 10 years if lucky, prices going crazy not to mention the shortened seasons.
Yeah I'm glad I don't have kids for that among other reasons. My buddy has 2 he's trying to get into it, I don't blame him at all for hanging on to his Idaho residency with white knuckles.
@@OutsidetheEchochamber you trust the biologists opinion on who should get to kill the elk? They’re not saying more or less animals should be harvested (that’s what the biologists do) they’re asking why tags should be allocated to certain people because they own land, just for them to give the tags to someone else to use on different land… this isn’t a biological problem… how is this not getting through your head? Hahaha
Residents get to only apply for one once in a lifetime tag AND only one of the normal animals??!! As a non resident I'd put up a HUGE FIT!!! That's plain ridiculous!
It was the biggest kick in the dick when i read that my first year as a licensed resident. A resident might only get a couple LE tags while they can still hike. 5-8 years for a rifle elk (if you're not picky), then maybe if you're lucky you'll get a good buck tag before your elk waiting period is up. Not super likely though. Then you start the elk clock again. Or you can just throw your money in a shredder and pretend you're applying for an antelope tag.
It seems unfair but it actually is better for residents this way. If everyone could apply for everything the draw odds would be way worse then they already are. So at least it pushes residents to apply for what they truly want to hunt the most and reduce a bunch of the competition.
@@justinnorton6990 I've wondered about that in the past but then I looked at the numbers. Only about 46000 resident hunters applied to ALL lifetime species combined, while all limited entry species were more than double that, and general deer applicants were over 100000. Assuming that all those hunters are duplicates, which they're probably not, much less than half of active hunters are applying to the OIAL hunts. That is to say, not everyone is going to apply to all the hunts, even if they did, there would be point creep but it would eventually find an equilibrium. Waiting periods would still exist, people would time out, people would get 2 tags in 2 years then be out of all the draws for quite a while. If a guy really wants to hunt elk, do you think he's just going to apply for no tags during his waiting period? Not likely, he's probably going to go soak up other points he cares less about for 5 years. So we're still diluting the points, just maybe slightly less. Put it this way: it gives interlopers like me who moved here for my wife's work and incentive to stay here longer to compete for tags, lol. Just my thoughts, the same thing had occurred to me. You could be right though. I know a guy who swears that a friend of his got 3 lifetime moose tags. He just kept applying and they somehow didn't strike his name so he kept earnign points. Not sure if I believe that one.
You are correct in your points my main point is if residents have the ability to apply for all species the applicant pool for all tags will increase significantly more than any tag increases ( if any)creating worse odds. @@jcarry5214
I’m from Utah so many people wanting to hunt and not enough animals.It seems to be getting a little worse every year. I used to get a general deer tag every year now I get one every 2 to 3 years. I feel bad for my kids when they are my age it might be a once in a lifetime deer tag for them 😢
Then they thought to solve the problem a few years back with so many people applying for so few LE tags they upped the waiting period from 2 to 5 years upon being successful in drawing said tag for that species. General tags are what they are. Your ticket to enter the pumpkin patch because that is what you’ll see. Hunter Orange beeboping all over the place!
My one cousin’s husband live near Salt Lake City and she let him know that I want to go on my first western big game hunting trip and I am from Ohio. He invited me to try for general muzzleloader deer 🦌 and possibly try the random for archery 🏹 pronghorn or even antlerless elk. I might try my luck 🍀 if not I will get a point and move on to my Wyoming rifle deer 🦌 and pronghorn hunt plan.
The antlerless hunts are pretty great. You get can get an OTC archery tag that's good for either sex, gets you some great boots down experience. I really enjoy it. Just make sure you're careful about what units you're looking at for those deer hunts, some of those are extremely hard to hunt due to the private land, even if it doesn't look totally private.
@@jcarry5214 thanks for the advice I don’t have any room in my tiny house 🏡 for elk antlers so I am fine with a spike elk or cow elk. A meat 🍖 gathering mission so to speak. 😃
@@TheWVgoodguy22 Are you from WV? No joke I've bumped into 2 different groupd from WV and SW PA in my general elk spot. Good folks. The residents can be such crybabies about NR hunters but don't listen to them, there's more than enough elk, they just keep letting private enterprise lock up the herds and build on the habitat, and there's nothign wrong with the elk numbers. UT elk general archery is a great way to learn for more expensive hunts and the weather tends to be great and the access is nice. Archery deer is a 0-2 year draw in the less competitive units and rifle deer is a multi-year draw everywhere but it's still a pretty good tag in a lot of places. You just gotta have a plan to enjoy the experience. Most of the general deer tags get soaked up by people who only hunt a couple days or never leave the road so if anyone gives you shit it's a 50-50 shot they're mad about the fictional good old days when deer just ran right at your ATV. Tell them drought, diversion, and development do more damage every year than nonresidents.
I'm new to this, so I may be ingorant. Does this mean it took 24 years to acquire 24 points? Or is it possible to acquire multiple points in a year? Thanks
@@myaccountbrad you’re correct it took 24 years to get those points. One point per year for not drawing or one point for purchasing but only one point per year.
The general season deer and elk hunts in Utah suck big time here where I live. Deer numbers are so low that its a big deal just to see one. Hunter success on all hunts are way low. Numbers are not bouncing back. Harvest is made up of yearling animals. The DWR isn't honest about Data!
Wow Randy I always thought you promoted hunting but after watching this I think you actually like to discourage hunters...... I'm sure you'd like it better if everyone stopped applying so you could gohunt
How does Utah cater to non-residents? 10% is so few tags to allocate, and our problems (and there are plenty of them) aren't caused by a non-resident drawing a tag. Allowing non-residents to apply for everything generates so much money for us.
The cost of hunting big game out of state is getting so out of hand it’s ridiculous, only the rich will be able to hunt out of state!!!
Pretty soon you won't be able to hunt your home state
It's cheaper to buy a farm cow or a yak. Then you can go hiking.😂
@@Stickinit totally agree, at the end of the day my dear or else probably cost $1000 a pound🤣
Great explaination Randy - it is as crazy for residents too....
I love hunting here but it's getting really depressing. I'm still really hurt about the season changes, it's so insidious and cynical.
What about PETA memebers that put in for Tags to just waste them? Do a show on that.....the DFW needs to investigate this practice.
Hope you are getting to Az. I’m a resident and haven’t drawn in 4 yrs
Thx
I'm a Utah resident, and I'm annoyed with our system! Its far too complicated. I'm 71 and don't have time for the point system. ~9 years for antelope, 15+ years for elk, 12+ for deer. and 25+ for once in a lifetime species. My only hope for tags is the portion in the "not really" random draw?. But then its much the same in every state. What states have a random draw? or no point system? Idaho and New Mexico?
Where's the options for older hunters? Do a show on that?!
My son has drawn a bull elk tag twice and both times was with no points.
But we live in Utah
@@Clawson_customs That's nuts! were either youth hunts? I believe you either way. Over the last few years a few resident adults have got sheep tags with 0 or no points.
@jcarry5214 they was not youth hunts. They was both rifle bull tags on the Manti. The bull hunt right before muzzleloader deer hunting season. if I could could post pictures of the elk on her I would
@jcarry5214 I joke around with him telling him that after he turns 21 in a few years he is going to hit the lottery with his first lotto ticket ever haha
@@Clawson_customs That sonofagun. Well I'll drive him to the state line of his choice for 20 percent! Pretty unit, I'm not fit enough to hunt it but I love the area. I assume you're in/around clawson or maybe that's unrelated. There's a chance we might move down there, wife just got a new job, she might have a choice to work out of both Price and Richfield if she decided not to go somewhere else. She already likes it, she's done some work that takes her around Emery Co. I'm still smiling about your boy, good for him. He's got no interest in chasing the pronghorn down in the Swell and giving everyone else a chance? They're probably like raccoons to you guys.
Try getting your kids into hunting with a general tag every 3 years, limited every 10 years if lucky, prices going crazy not to mention the shortened seasons.
Yeah I'm glad I don't have kids for that among other reasons. My buddy has 2 he's trying to get into it, I don't blame him at all for hanging on to his Idaho residency with white knuckles.
“Biologists have a reason for it. Thou shall ask no questions” lol goofy
@@derekbeaumont973 I trust local biologists more than a couple city folk commenting on TH-cam
@@derekbeaumont973 let me guess CA
@@OutsidetheEchochamber you trust the biologists opinion on who should get to kill the elk? They’re not saying more or less animals should be harvested (that’s what the biologists do) they’re asking why tags should be allocated to certain people because they own land, just for them to give the tags to someone else to use on different land… this isn’t a biological problem… how is this not getting through your head? Hahaha
if money is no objective, avoid draw, buy a tag. UT has tons of them. that's how rich people hunt UT, every year
Randy, I believe the application fee is now $16.
Residents get to only apply for one once in a lifetime tag AND only one of the normal animals??!! As a non resident I'd put up a HUGE FIT!!! That's plain ridiculous!
It was the biggest kick in the dick when i read that my first year as a licensed resident. A resident might only get a couple LE tags while they can still hike. 5-8 years for a rifle elk (if you're not picky), then maybe if you're lucky you'll get a good buck tag before your elk waiting period is up. Not super likely though. Then you start the elk clock again. Or you can just throw your money in a shredder and pretend you're applying for an antelope tag.
@@jcarry5214 what a freaking joke. They should manage their herds for the animals, not profit
It seems unfair but it actually is better for residents this way. If everyone could apply for everything the draw odds would be way worse then they already are. So at least it pushes residents to apply for what they truly want to hunt the most and reduce a bunch of the competition.
@@justinnorton6990 I've wondered about that in the past but then I looked at the numbers. Only about 46000 resident hunters applied to ALL lifetime species combined, while all limited entry species were more than double that, and general deer applicants were over 100000. Assuming that all those hunters are duplicates, which they're probably not, much less than half of active hunters are applying to the OIAL hunts. That is to say, not everyone is going to apply to all the hunts, even if they did, there would be point creep but it would eventually find an equilibrium. Waiting periods would still exist, people would time out, people would get 2 tags in 2 years then be out of all the draws for quite a while. If a guy really wants to hunt elk, do you think he's just going to apply for no tags during his waiting period? Not likely, he's probably going to go soak up other points he cares less about for 5 years. So we're still diluting the points, just maybe slightly less. Put it this way: it gives interlopers like me who moved here for my wife's work and incentive to stay here longer to compete for tags, lol. Just my thoughts, the same thing had occurred to me. You could be right though.
I know a guy who swears that a friend of his got 3 lifetime moose tags. He just kept applying and they somehow didn't strike his name so he kept earnign points. Not sure if I believe that one.
You are correct in your points my main point is if residents have the ability to apply for all species the applicant pool for all tags will increase significantly more than any tag increases ( if any)creating worse odds. @@jcarry5214
I’m from Utah so many people wanting to hunt and not enough animals.It seems to be getting a little worse every year. I used to get a general deer tag every year now I get one every 2 to 3 years. I feel bad for my kids when they are my age it might be a once in a lifetime deer tag for them 😢
I'm so glad you have never had a bad day in your life.. must be living right. Right?
What about Groups?
Then they thought to solve the problem a few years back with so many people applying for so few LE tags they upped the waiting period from 2 to 5 years upon being successful in drawing said tag for that species. General tags are what they are. Your ticket to enter the pumpkin patch because that is what you’ll see. Hunter Orange beeboping all over the place!
My one cousin’s husband live near Salt Lake City and she let him know that I want to go on my first western big game hunting trip and I am from Ohio. He invited me to try for general muzzleloader deer 🦌 and possibly try the random for archery 🏹 pronghorn or even antlerless elk. I might try my luck 🍀 if not I will get a point and move on to my Wyoming rifle deer 🦌 and pronghorn hunt plan.
The antlerless hunts are pretty great. You get can get an OTC archery tag that's good for either sex, gets you some great boots down experience. I really enjoy it. Just make sure you're careful about what units you're looking at for those deer hunts, some of those are extremely hard to hunt due to the private land, even if it doesn't look totally private.
@@jcarry5214 thanks for the advice I don’t have any room in my tiny house 🏡 for elk antlers so I am fine with a spike elk or cow elk. A meat 🍖 gathering mission so to speak. 😃
@@TheWVgoodguy22 Are you from WV? No joke I've bumped into 2 different groupd from WV and SW PA in my general elk spot. Good folks. The residents can be such crybabies about NR hunters but don't listen to them, there's more than enough elk, they just keep letting private enterprise lock up the herds and build on the habitat, and there's nothign wrong with the elk numbers. UT elk general archery is a great way to learn for more expensive hunts and the weather tends to be great and the access is nice. Archery deer is a 0-2 year draw in the less competitive units and rifle deer is a multi-year draw everywhere but it's still a pretty good tag in a lot of places. You just gotta have a plan to enjoy the experience. Most of the general deer tags get soaked up by people who only hunt a couple days or never leave the road so if anyone gives you shit it's a 50-50 shot they're mad about the fictional good old days when deer just ran right at your ATV. Tell them drought, diversion, and development do more damage every year than nonresidents.
🎉 24 elk LE points this year
I'm new to this, so I may be ingorant. Does this mean it took 24 years to acquire 24 points? Or is it possible to acquire multiple points in a year? Thanks
@@myaccountbrad you’re correct it took 24 years to get those points. One point per year for not drawing or one point for purchasing but only one point per year.
The general season deer and elk hunts in Utah suck big time here where I live. Deer numbers are so low that its a big deal just to see one. Hunter success on all hunts are way low. Numbers are not bouncing back. Harvest is made up of yearling animals. The DWR isn't honest about Data!
Wow Randy I always thought you promoted hunting but after watching this I think you actually like to discourage hunters...... I'm sure you'd like it better if everyone stopped applying so you could gohunt
It's frustrating as a resident how much Utah caters to the non-resident.
Yes it is. But my 20 year old son has drawn a bull elk twice so far in his life
How does Utah cater to non-residents? 10% is so few tags to allocate, and our problems (and there are plenty of them) aren't caused by a non-resident drawing a tag. Allowing non-residents to apply for everything generates so much money for us.
Sounds hopeless as fuck!
it's pretty goddamn grim, even as a resident. YOu think you have it figured out and start getting your hopes up then they go "LOL fuck you guys!"
It’s ridiculous
Fix the spelling on your video thumbnail. It's embarrassing.
Lol yea.i noticed that too