I think male or females playing the opposite sex, only shows how committed they are to their art. How well they do it, shows how good of an actor/actress they are.
Yes, I don't know why people keep criticizing the casts instead of just looking at the movie as an art. Yes, the actors could've been a part of the lgbt but that wasn't what they were looking for in terms of features.
It's called ACTING for a reason. You pretend you are something you're not, so why should it matter if they are trans or cis, gay or straight or whatever... We have gone to far in our political correctness.
I think the issue a lot of people have, is that actual trans people very often don't get to play in a lot of movies, wether it is for a cis role or a trans role. They think that someone that actually, lived through a transition or other issues surrounding being trans, would be better at playing a trans character.
@@nellisouki5407 Yes, I agree that trans people don't get enough chances in the industry, that IS a problem. I am just saying that they shouldn't be limited to playing just trans people because they have been through that. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't be very convincing in playing cis characters. That also applies vice versa. And THAT is the point of my comment. If we continue on a path of overloaded sensitivity in EVERYTHING, we will eventually get to the point where blondes, even when they die their hair, can't play a brunette character because "they don't really know what it's like to truly be brunette".
@@DeepMoonChild I'm not sure what my opinion on this topic is yet, so I'm not gonna argue with you or anything :) but sure, trans people shouldn't be limited to only playing trans roles
@@DeepMoonChild It's so stupid that transgenders are sometimes/ often denied of movie roles just because they're trans... I mean isn't the whole thing about transitioning becoming the opposite gender and just "letting go" of the body they were born in? (If a trans person sees this could you please answer this question and tell me if I'm wrong or not. )
As a part of the LGBT community, I say that every actor, trans or cis, should be able to play any character, trans or cis. The best actor gets the role, period.
Yes I think an ideal world that would be the case but your not taking in the power dynamic. Cis actors that play trans roles get oscars while trans actors rarely get cast in Cis roles or any roles . Also the violence against trans people only is a serious issue since many justify this violence against trans women by saying their men in dresses. Having a Cis male actor can just illustrate this transphobic role . Also Jeffry sexually assaulted one of the trans women on that show! Also a lot of this roles are used for comedy . I think trans people could bring more to this roles but as a non binary person I’m yet to see a Cis actor that has brought authenticity to the roles .
That last sentence... 👌👌👌 Problem is actual trans persons are incredibly rare, and the odds of one becoming an A-List actor are basically less than discovering unicorns.
I think Actors can play anything and maybe people shouldn’t be so sensitive unless they’re being rude and insulting transgender. I mean it’s their jobs.
Most people who point out the transgender characters, is more about giving trans actors/actresses roles that they fit in. But I agree that every actor should have the chance to play a character.
Fact of the matter is.. It’s harder to get a trans actor during casting who fits the character description and who can also act good within the time required.. that’s 3 types of criteria for the role already as population of trans is very slim. Transgenders are typically picked for Tv shows instead of movies from my experience of findings. For example in the Netflix series The OA, there’s a transgender on it who plays as a transgender character named Buck and the creator Brit Marling was looking specifically in casting for a half Asian American transguy, she had to get through 400 people in order to find one. It’s not entirely about being mainstream alone, it just sells better if a non transgender reputable actor does the job because these transformation roles are money shots with all the makeup and the actor pulling off the opposite sex or a different character like audiences generally would be more impressed seeing actors transform than somebody trans who’ve already made the look before and on screen. It’s more fun to see famous actor play trans too because they’ve been around in the cinematic world longer than trans plus the acting world is about doing their job so they throw them into all kinds of crazy challenging and different characters to show off their ability of how well they can do their job once they’ve studied the characters background, now if a trans done this the job will be too obvious for them to achieve because acting is about acting like something you are not like acting as somebody else that’s the whole point of acting and coz trans are already trans they don’t always see it as the job for them they wanna see real convincing acting you see. It’s not just like this with transgender but also with couples in real life like there’s couples in drama shows here in the U.K. and the couples star in the same ones together like in Emmerdale but the producers don’t put them together as a couple with the characters they play on screen like they are coupled up with other actors on it.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with a cis gendered actor playing a trans character. It is acting for a reason. But your comparison is invalid for gender identity is different from sexual identity.
WHY are People butthurt when hetero Actors Play gay/trans roles? does that mean that gay/trans Actors can't play hetero roles???? People are too sensitive
I think that people are mad that the very few roles that a trans person can take now adays is also being occupied by cis people. To be honest though i feel like this is an issue of its own. Trans people should get more movie offers for not only trans roles but cis roles too. Saying that a cis person can't play a trans person in a film is quite hypocritical.
I think some people are just worried about implications? Like the movie industry is saying a trans woman is just a man in a costume or a trans man is just a girl in a costume. Idk i dont mind it too much since ive been seeing some trans actors portray trans characters so its kinda evening out. Trans actors and actresses have played a few cis rolls before too I think?
Is no one gonna talk about how "She's the Man" is a modern version of 12th Night? I mean, there's a girl named Viola, she has a twin brother, and she has to disguise herself as a boy (my English class in 7th grade read 12th Night, so that's how I know)
Um... It says in the intro, credits, on all cases of the movie, the disc, posters, and has been stated many times that that's what it was based on. I think we talked about it.
its a well know fact hats its a retelling of shake spears twelfth night , its not hidden at all and says on all the promo for the film and the dvd sleeve
Tilda Swindon also has such a unique face. Naturally looks intimidating too. I like her a lot. She’s like the female version of David Bowie, she can pull off any look and do a damn good job at it
Tilda Swinton literally IS the opposite gender! She was born male & is transgender. That gives her an unfair advantage, as she knows exactly what it’s like to live both genders. IDF she belongs on this list.
one thing to bear in mind with cis actors playing trans characters is that while it’s already hard enough to find trans actors, it can be very difficult to find trans actors who have not transitioned and are comfortable playing their assigned gender should the role require it. with the danish girl, lily spends most of the film pre transition, as is the case with several trans characters. if they were to cast a transwoman, they would need to cast an actor who had not undergone any procedures or started hormones. there’s no easy answer
I agree... there is definitely some social responsibility there. Reminds me of when the director of Precious insisted on someone like Gabourey Sidibe (childhood very different from the character, healthy, content, and with high self esteem) because he did not want actresses having to re-enact their trauma for the role...
Actors are actors and their job is to bring characters-roles that are written in the script to life. People get a little obsessed with representation and tend to forget that. The logic LGBTQ characters must be only played by actual LGBTQ actors/actresses puts limits to the art of acting. The criterion of who is the best option for the role should be the acting skills, not the sexuality or gender label. Besides, the biggest the gap between the performer and the character is, the hardest the work and study becomes for them. It's a challenge for them and a chance to learn more, understand and talk about their experience, then share it with the people and that may be more effective than just please communities. If the portraying of the character is done properly, shouldn't we be happy? Isn't that what matters in the end? PS: Cate Blanchett and Lee Pace have been doing amazing job in similar gender-changing roles too.
You said it. I was hoping to find this kind of comment. It's annoying that these people scream for representation, and then are not even satisfied when they get what they want (for example with the actress of Batwoman)... It's ridiculous.
@@LacriMosa And I was hopping I won't be eaten alive for my comment. ^-^" Thank you. Unfortunately, the more the people get the more greedy and demanding they become... But I work in theatre and I know the struggle of acting and directing, so I wish the audience would be able to appreciate the result instead of being stuck to labels and force "representation" blindly, as it happens to America. And I may be a lesbian myself but I never allowed that fact to cloud my judgement on which is capable to play a role.
@@CineShinya No problem, I mean you make a lot of sense and should not be attacked for having a different opinion. Yeah, I feel like a lot of good movies are actually ruined by forced representation. I mean, when I watch a movie I watch it because of the movie and not to judge if there is enough representation in it. Acting is acting and I feel like instead of being put down by the community, these actors deserve some credit for their take on these difficult roles and how they managed to bring them to life. I'm glad because it really shouldn't matter. If the actor is capable he's capable, regardless of their sexuality or gender etc. (;
Do you know what I wanna see ? I want to see a transperson play a cis-person. That would be groundbreaking. It´s like why shouldn´t a openly gay or lesbian actor play a straight person ? They´re actors, right ?
You know there's Sheldon Cooper in TBBT or Barney in How I met Your mother or even Aaron in Mean Girls. All straight roles played by gay actors. Acting is acting, no matter if there's a gay or trans person playing a straight role or the other way around. Why are people so focused on that?
Tyler Perry......Martin Lawrence....Eddie Murphy? 🤷🏾♂️I mean they did give us Madea, Big Momma, and Shenehneh. How can you even forget about Rasuptia “How You Doin!”
Mrs doubtfire character was a Scottish lady not English. Dustin Hoffman should have won that award & not Jessica lang, I love tootsie Dustin was awesome. Love the character Patrick swayze played too.👌😎
I am close friends with several people who are trans and I have talked to them about how they feel about cis actors playing trans people and they say they don’t mind as long as the portrayal isn’t offensive
Amanda Bynes still looked very much like a girl even when she was playing a guy. Look, because a woman wears short hair and scrubs off the makeup, she isn't automatically going to look masculine. *eye roll*
Seriously, the trans community should be grateful that its actually being shed upon instead of ignored. Yeah maybe they should add real trans people but what they're doing now is good enough, its better than not doing anything. Stop expecting so much, let time do its job and eventually, over time, they will cast real trans people but for now, stop criticizing and just be happy these movies are being made.
@@unicornbetch7332 wow, thats a heartless thing to say coming from a human. We all get opinions. Your acting as though i dont support the trans community, i definitely do. If you could read properly, maybe you'd know that. It's the fact that, when the trans movies are being made, everyone bitches and moans that it doesn't actually cast a trans person instead of seeing it from a good point of view. And that good point of view is that trans people are actually being recognised instead of being ignored. It's better than nothing, would it be better for you if trans people weren't recognised? And its only the beginning, how long has it been since the lgbtq+ community has been accepted? Not that long. You expect everything to go from 0 to 100 in seconds. When it takes actual human time.
Let me just say this, *THEY ARE ACTORS AND ACTRESSES, THE KEY WORD THATS IN THERE IS ACT. THEY ARE NOT ONLY SHEDDING LIGHT ON YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE IT FROM YOUR ALLS PERSPECTIVE. STOP BACKSLASHING THEM, ITS NOT CAUSING ANY HARM.* Okay, thank you. *Edit:* This is for those in the LGBT community who saw wrong in something good.
I hate that. I hate that Trans people like myself are so against a Cist playing our roles. Do you know how honored I feel for these legends to have taken the Role. Most people won't. Seeing El fanning as a man was great. Seeing Jared letto as a woman. God legendary. They aren't mocking us or trying to make us look bad. They are bringing attention to the matter.
Jessica Lange won best supporting actress and not best actress for Tootsie. You also forgot Nathan Lane in Birdcage, Felicity Huffman in Transamerica, Glenn Close in Albert Nobbs & Cate Blanchett in I’m Not Here
For the people who say that if they aren't transgender they shouldn't play a transgender, then if the character is hetero, shouldn't be play by a non-hetero actor. It is a nonsense for the sake of feeling offensive about something.
The problem, in my opinion, is that trans people are so very rarely cast in anything. Yes -- performances like Eddie Redmayne's in The Danish Girl are stellar and I wouldn't change the actors. But I do think that there's a pattern of casting cis people for trans roles, a pattern that doesn't have to be there. It's like the Bechdel test: having two female characters interact and speak about something other than a man doesn't necessarily make the film good, but it does do something for better representation of women. The same could be said about trans roles and actors.
Male or Female if an actor is good why should it matter what gender or sexuality the part is. If the movie/acting is good does it really matter. People will always find something to complain about even if there is nothing there. As long as they aren't making fun of any gender or sexuality it should be fine.
Acting is a profession. In Sense8, Jamie Clayton did a fabulous job in her role. She was quite fascinating and I've seen her in other roles as well. But the question of whether or not transgender roles could be played better by transgender actors is only relative if the only essential acting element of the character is gender or gender identity. But when you start building a character around a theme and you include friends, family, co-workers, protagonists, antagonists and the REST of the content/context of acting, can the full list of transgender actors touch the superstars that played those roles with great box office results? Think of it another way. I'm a retired electrician. My father-in-law and I were a father-son operation. We specialized in home renovation electrical work. One day we started a job for a gay couple. I didn't think anything of it, until the next job, we did work for a lesbian couple. For six months all our jobs came from the LGBTQ community. Someone we worked for must have really appreciated our work ethic, fair pricing, etc or perhaps just our jovial sense of fun when we work and put us on some kind of "trusted services" list. Thank you by the way for that. So, asking the question of whether a transgender person could act out a role of a transgender character better than a cisgender person, isn't about gender, it is about acting. I do believe that transgender method actors of any talent would nail the transgender part of a transgender character, but there are many more elements to any role than the gender of the character. Does the lesbian couple only hire lesbian electricians? I wouldn't judge them if they did - we all have our comfort zones and beliefs and needs. I think at the end of the day most humans want the best service for their money, whether it is the installation of a ceiling fan in the bedroom or a box-office hit at the theater. My final thought is, we'll get there. I was a teen and young adult in the 80s. Gender Fluid and non-Binary sexual identity wasn't even a concept, let alone a cultural expression. As transgender actors become more well-known like Jaime Clayton, that should inspire all the other transgender actors to try that much harder to make it in showbiz, which is a hard world for any actor by all accounts. I think many transgender actors might have the potential to get more jobs than most cisgender actors if they were willing to play either gender. If that is somehow insulting, that was not my intent, but in Hollywood if you want to "arrive", then use all your gifts and talents to get there. I don't pretend to have all the answers, nor can I appreciate all the different types of unique identities that any human chooses, but what I do appreciate is that underneath all the labels and group identities there are just a sea of humans wanting, needing and working to create the life that is most valued by them. Perhaps someday we can all be whatever we are without all the drama and discord of differences and a desire to be unique.
I think the issues with non lgbt+ people playing lgbt+ characters is one of two things. Firstly there aren't nearly enough lgbt+ roles in films yet to correctly represent how vast the community is/how many people are part of the lgbt+ community, therefore the roles are harder to come by and obtain for any actor who isn't an A-lister. Secondly, we've seen it done over and over with minority roles where 10 people could audition for a part, 9 of them identifying the same as the character, yet still that one actor who isn't gay or trans will get the role because that's what the director finds comfortable to deal with. It's the same with any minority group really, take for example deaf actors and deaf roles. Many deaf actors won't get the part of a deaf character because the people making the film don't know how to direct someone who's deaf. It's incredibly hypocritical and insensitive, to say "we want to make a movie from the perspective of a deaf person to rid the stigma" then turn around and say "but we don't want any actual deaf actors because that's too hard" causing the stigma they are supposedly trying to get rid of.
Listen, I've been dreaming of being an actress but doing male roles, but it is impossible unless you get lucky (or unlucky, depending on what you want) and get one of these parts
Chris Lilley is one of the best Australian actors who plays ja'mie, mr g, jonah and many more. Not to mention he just came out with the new Netflix tv show lunatics so where is his honourable mention
People should be thankful for these actors doing a great job in a trans role, and stop complaining, is already ridiculous, if trans actors would be so good they would've been casted instead.
They're not being cast because they're trans. Hollywood doesn't want trans ppl. Ppl don't want trans actors to be in movies. There's a reason why trans ppl want more rights.
I give zero ducks about whether actors who play transgender characters are actually transgender. All I care about is that they respect the LGBT community!
I am here wondering why Eddie Murphy playing multiple roles of women and men in Nutty Professor isn't included in the list. Or why Tyler Perry in Madea? What about Martin Lawrence in Big Momma's House? to mention a few.
Think really hard and you can't figure out why they didn't mention those 3 people. i am not trying to be rude to you with the comment so don't take it that way.
I think all that "cisgender playing transgender" is bullshit. Some people just want to fight over stupid things. We all should be grateful transgender is portrayed by such talended artists. period.
Missed Joyce Hyser (just one of the guys). but also i loved boys dont cry, cause it made me cry ngl. i dont think that its wrong for a cis actor to play a trans role, because honestly, if a person fits a character, then they should be cast, maybe there was real trans people trying out for roles, but their acting standard wasnt great or they didnt fit the role. like hilary swank played Brandon amazingly and she was portraying a real life character, meaning the person cast, had to resemble and be able to play the real Brandon Teena.
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I think male or females playing the opposite sex, only shows how committed they are to their art. How well they do it, shows how good of an actor/actress they are.
Yes, I don't know why people keep criticizing the casts instead of just looking at the movie as an art. Yes, the actors could've been a part of the lgbt but that wasn't what they were looking for in terms of features.
My thoughts exactly!! I mean, it's acting! Role playing! Meaning you play something or someone that you're not..
@kim Popp I agree
Right, that's why they're called actors cause they're acting! Don't know why people get offended by that
That's what want to say too...
It's called ACTING for a reason. You pretend you are something you're not, so why should it matter if they are trans or cis, gay or straight or whatever... We have gone to far in our political correctness.
I think the issue a lot of people have, is that actual trans people very often don't get to play in a lot of movies, wether it is for a cis role or a trans role. They think that someone that actually, lived through a transition or other issues surrounding being trans, would be better at playing a trans character.
@@nellisouki5407 Yes, I agree that trans people don't get enough chances in the industry, that IS a problem. I am just saying that they shouldn't be limited to playing just trans people because they have been through that. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't be very convincing in playing cis characters. That also applies vice versa. And THAT is the point of my comment. If we continue on a path of overloaded sensitivity in EVERYTHING, we will eventually get to the point where blondes, even when they die their hair, can't play a brunette character because "they don't really know what it's like to truly be brunette".
@@DeepMoonChild I'm not sure what my opinion on this topic is yet, so I'm not gonna argue with you or anything :) but sure, trans people shouldn't be limited to only playing trans roles
@@nellisouki5407 Fair enough, have a nice day
ight! 😊
@@DeepMoonChild It's so stupid that transgenders are sometimes/ often denied of movie roles just because they're trans...
I mean isn't the whole thing about transitioning becoming the opposite gender and just "letting go" of the body they were born in?
(If a trans person sees this could you please answer this question and tell me if I'm wrong or not. )
As a part of the LGBT community, I say that every actor, trans or cis, should be able to play any character, trans or cis. The best actor gets the role, period.
Lucía Frau especially with how much research an actor puts into it. Like Eddie Redmayne put into The Danish Girl
Yes I think an ideal world that would be the case but your not taking in the power dynamic. Cis actors that play trans roles get oscars while trans actors rarely get cast in Cis roles or any roles . Also the violence against trans people only is a serious issue since many justify this violence against trans women by saying their men in dresses. Having a Cis male actor can just illustrate this transphobic role . Also Jeffry sexually assaulted one of the trans women on that show! Also a lot of this roles are used for comedy . I think trans people could bring more to this roles but as a non binary person I’m yet to see a Cis actor that has brought authenticity to the roles .
Agreed
That last sentence... 👌👌👌
Problem is actual trans persons are incredibly rare, and the odds of one becoming an A-List actor are basically less than discovering unicorns.
Thank you
If you don’t know about white chicks then you’re too young
You're * too*
S.mb2_ X lol
Tay and jayynation Roberts I don’t know about it but I do know about tons of movies from before that so u wrong hun
Tricia Stead oh well
Tay and jayynation Roberts oh well guess u were wrong btw I’m older than you lmfao
Why wasn’t madea, or big momma on here like?????
Literally the only reasons I clicked!!!
Alex Guevara me too
Omg I just realized that.Im actually offended
I mean Tyler plays 4 bloody characters
Big momma was my childhood. She's got a lot of fans in India.
I think Actors can play anything and maybe people shouldn’t be so sensitive unless they’re being rude and insulting transgender. I mean it’s their jobs.
Most people who point out the transgender characters, is more about giving trans actors/actresses roles that they fit in. But I agree that every actor should have the chance to play a character.
Gunner Chi yes I understand they just want to give a transgender actor a light. But ya you play anything you have the chance to play if you want to. 🙂
Fact of the matter is.. It’s harder to get a trans actor during casting who fits the character description and who can also act good within the time required.. that’s 3 types of criteria for the role already as population of trans is very slim. Transgenders are typically picked for Tv shows instead of movies from my experience of findings. For example in the Netflix series The OA, there’s a transgender on it who plays as a transgender character named Buck and the creator Brit Marling was looking specifically in casting for a half Asian American transguy, she had to get through 400 people in order to find one.
It’s not entirely about being mainstream alone, it just sells better if a non transgender reputable actor does the job because these transformation roles are money shots with all the makeup and the actor pulling off the opposite sex or a different character like audiences generally would be more impressed seeing actors transform than somebody trans who’ve already made the look before and on screen. It’s more fun to see famous actor play trans too because they’ve been around in the cinematic world longer than trans plus the acting world is about doing their job so they throw them into all kinds of crazy challenging and different characters to show off their ability of how well they can do their job once they’ve studied the characters background, now if a trans done this the job will be too obvious for them to achieve because acting is about acting like something you are not like acting as somebody else that’s the whole point of acting and coz trans are already trans they don’t always see it as the job for them they wanna see real convincing acting you see.
It’s not just like this with transgender but also with couples in real life like there’s couples in drama shows here in the U.K. and the couples star in the same ones together like in Emmerdale but the producers don’t put them together as a couple with the characters they play on screen like they are coupled up with other actors on it.
Imagine how advocates could complain about Andy Serkis' parts...
its dumb, actors can't always play characters like themselves! their being someone else
i think it's about how well they fit the role rather than what they are in real life.
Why get heat for a cis to play trans?
Gay actors play straight, and straight play gay... and who cares as long as they do a good job!
I agree that there is nothing wrong with a cis gendered actor playing a trans character. It is acting for a reason. But your comparison is invalid for gender identity is different from sexual identity.
Angelina Jolie as a guy is so handsome😍
And still looks like a chick. That's probably why you like it. Lol
@@raydaveed oh yeah! Lmao
She looks like handsome squidward!
@@sarahalotaibi1230 yeah lol
@Hillary McDonald i think it could've been better if she was a lesbian in this
WHY are People butthurt when hetero Actors Play gay/trans roles? does that mean that gay/trans Actors can't play hetero roles???? People are too sensitive
I think that people are mad that the very few roles that a trans person can take now adays is also being occupied by cis people. To be honest though i feel like this is an issue of its own. Trans people should get more movie offers for not only trans roles but cis roles too. Saying that a cis person can't play a trans person in a film is quite hypocritical.
@@chethmi2472 im all for it!! if they fit the role and are good then Why not.
So you guys are just gonna forget about Big Momma and my queen Madea like that??? For shame!!!
Here's where I pull out the race card... This list was very white if I do say so myself
@@monytontana5184 fr tho
BIG MOMMA is QUEEN
Angelina Jolie looks unrecognizable and stunning as a man
She is a man come on people your not that dumb I hope
Idk what the problem is with cis ppl playing trans ppl. Actors act. its what they do. Angelina jolie played maleficent but she isn't a fairy. Chill
Ik the actors did a great job and studied hard for their roles
@@arielthegreat4384 trueeee
I think some people are just worried about implications? Like the movie industry is saying a trans woman is just a man in a costume or a trans man is just a girl in a costume. Idk i dont mind it too much since ive been seeing some trans actors portray trans characters so its kinda evening out. Trans actors and actresses have played a few cis rolls before too I think?
Because transpeople are real, lol.
Ref Altındal No we don't
Male Angelina jolie looks like she could play as Supermam💯😂
Why are you being so aggressive about the wig???
Is no one gonna talk about how "She's the Man" is a modern version of 12th Night? I mean, there's a girl named Viola, she has a twin brother, and she has to disguise herself as a boy (my English class in 7th grade read 12th Night, so that's how I know)
yes and also basically a remake of the 1980s movie just one of the guys
Um... It says in the intro, credits, on all cases of the movie, the disc, posters, and has been stated many times that that's what it was based on. I think we talked about it.
The school is literally name Illyria. It was made to be a modern version of Twelfth Night, that’s the point of the movie.
its a well know fact hats its a retelling of shake spears twelfth night , its not hidden at all and says on all the promo for the film and the dvd sleeve
I was going to mention that! Shakespeare in da hiz-ouse! 😂
Tilda Swinton has been amazing at playing the opposite gender!
Taisen's Cool Stuff yes she really does
Tilda Swindon also has such a unique face. Naturally looks intimidating too. I like her a lot. She’s like the female version of David Bowie, she can pull off any look and do a damn good job at it
James Ireland fair point
Yes she is! Orlando and Constantine!💞
Tilda Swinton literally IS the opposite gender! She was born male & is transgender. That gives her an unfair advantage, as she knows exactly what it’s like to live both genders. IDF she belongs on this list.
White Chicks was cool. There should be a sequel. I am not bored watching it. Because it's just funny film.
Big mama should be the only exeption
I know right😂
Can't please someone who doesn't appreciate themselves I think the actors done an amazing job playing the opposite gender
Is everyone going to forget about Tyler Perry(aka-Madea)😤
one thing to bear in mind with cis actors playing trans characters is that while it’s already hard enough to find trans actors, it can be very difficult to find trans actors who have not transitioned and are comfortable playing their assigned gender should the role require it. with the danish girl, lily spends most of the film pre transition, as is the case with several trans characters. if they were to cast a transwoman, they would need to cast an actor who had not undergone any procedures or started hormones. there’s no easy answer
I agree... there is definitely some social responsibility there. Reminds me of when the director of Precious insisted on someone like Gabourey Sidibe (childhood very different from the character, healthy, content, and with high self esteem) because he did not want actresses having to re-enact their trauma for the role...
What about Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis in Some Like It Hot.
Ooo good point!
My favorite!
You totally forgot the legend... Tyler Perry as Madea
Actors are actors and their job is to bring characters-roles that are written in the script to life. People get a little obsessed with representation and tend to forget that. The logic LGBTQ characters must be only played by actual LGBTQ actors/actresses puts limits to the art of acting. The criterion of who is the best option for the role should be the acting skills, not the sexuality or gender label. Besides, the biggest the gap between the performer and the character is, the hardest the work and study becomes for them. It's a challenge for them and a chance to learn more, understand and talk about their experience, then share it with the people and that may be more effective than just please communities. If the portraying of the character is done properly, shouldn't we be happy? Isn't that what matters in the end?
PS: Cate Blanchett and Lee Pace have been doing amazing job in similar gender-changing roles too.
You said it. I was hoping to find this kind of comment. It's annoying that these people scream for representation, and then are not even satisfied when they get what they want (for example with the actress of Batwoman)... It's ridiculous.
@@LacriMosa And I was hopping I won't be eaten alive for my comment. ^-^" Thank you.
Unfortunately, the more the people get the more greedy and demanding they become...
But I work in theatre and I know the struggle of acting and directing, so I wish the audience would be able to appreciate the result instead of being stuck to labels and force "representation" blindly, as it happens to America.
And I may be a lesbian myself but I never allowed that fact to cloud my judgement on which is capable to play a role.
@@CineShinya No problem, I mean you make a lot of sense and should not be attacked for having a different opinion. Yeah, I feel like a lot of good movies are actually ruined by forced representation. I mean, when I watch a movie I watch it because of the movie and not to judge if there is enough representation in it. Acting is acting and I feel like instead of being put down by the community, these actors deserve some credit for their take on these difficult roles and how they managed to bring them to life.
I'm glad because it really shouldn't matter. If the actor is capable he's capable, regardless of their sexuality or gender etc. (;
@@LacriMosa I couldn't agree more. Focusing to the wrong things makes us lose what really matters on a film.
Psssshhhtt.. These are facts! LGBTQ's dont like it.
Boys don't cry. Best performance I have ever seen.
I agree
Forgot Tilda Swinton in "Orlando," no, as well as Cate Blanchett as Bob Dylan?
"what and awful wig"
Are u serious 🤦♀️
y’all forgot Eddie Murphy in Norbit and Big Momma or Tyler Perry as Madea
Let's pull out the race card here. They did not forget shit. They made a decision to use almost all white actors and actresses
Do you know what I wanna see ? I want to see a transperson play a cis-person. That would be groundbreaking.
It´s like why shouldn´t a openly gay or lesbian actor play a straight person ? They´re actors, right ?
You know there's Sheldon Cooper in TBBT or Barney in How I met Your mother or even Aaron in Mean Girls. All straight roles played by gay actors. Acting is acting, no matter if there's a gay or trans person playing a straight role or the other way around. Why are people so focused on that?
There are a lot of movies/series with gay men(mostly) playing straight people
Lacri Mosa yea but a trans person not a gay or lesbian.
White chicks 2 would be amazing!
I instantly fell in love with jolie's Salt male self. She's gorgeous
I LOVE the movie The Danish Girl
Amazing movie!!
Tyler Perry......Martin Lawrence....Eddie Murphy? 🤷🏾♂️I mean they did give us Madea, Big Momma, and Shenehneh. How can you even forget about Rasuptia “How You Doin!”
We only talking bout whites nd trans
Tilda Swinton, Lee Pace and how can you not know about Sarah Snooks in Predestination?!
JJ Totah plays dudes so well and you can't notice a difference
She is transgender and use to be a boy
I feel all of these were simply outstanding performances given by truly outstanding actors. Brava to each and every one of them.
Who else is only here for Eddie? Such an amazing, talented, underrated actor! 💕💕
Me
Mrs doubtfire character was a Scottish lady not English. Dustin Hoffman should have won that award & not Jessica lang, I love tootsie Dustin was awesome. Love the character Patrick swayze played too.👌😎
Any how you put it , still British
@@sonofgod2656 true, but still Mrs doubtfire wasn't English.
Finally someone commented on this.
@@sonofgod2656 yeah dickhead but she said English.
Oh my god I LOVED the Danish girl I just watched it a couple days ago and it was amazing
Breakfast on Pluto is a wonderful cult classic. You have to appreciate the humor to enjoy it though.
And Divine the drag queen was the best genderbend role on hair spary(the 1980s film)played Edna Termblad
True acting chops are all they need to play any role, any gender.
9:27 manila luzon is that you??
edit: looked it up and it’s definitely manila
I was shookt too! I believed that’s MANILA LUZON!
It's not it's the guy who plays Sid the sloth in Ice age lmao.
lol it is :D they put the wroooong photo :D
I was looking for this comment :)
Thank you! I saw it too! Someone didn't do their homework lol
Who's ready for maleficent 2?!?!
isabel juarez there’s going to be a maleficent 2????
@@antoniax2102 Yes this year or next year I forgot😃
Julie Andrews in Victor Victoria wasn't even worth an honorable mention??
That's sad, you REALLY missed something there!
I am close friends with several people who are trans and I have talked to them about how they feel about cis actors playing trans people and they say they don’t mind as long as the portrayal isn’t offensive
Amanda Bynes still looked very much like a girl even when she was playing a guy. Look, because a woman wears short hair and scrubs off the makeup, she isn't automatically going to look masculine. *eye roll*
Okay we know Ms. Doubtfire.
Roger Taylor: HOLD MY STICKS
*ROGERINA HAS JOINED THE CHAT*
Seriously, the trans community should be grateful that its actually being shed upon instead of ignored. Yeah maybe they should add real trans people but what they're doing now is good enough, its better than not doing anything. Stop expecting so much, let time do its job and eventually, over time, they will cast real trans people but for now, stop criticizing and just be happy these movies are being made.
Oh STFU lmao
@@unicornbetch7332 I live in reality clearly unlike you. Be grateful
@@racyk8579 You're Cis you don't get an opinion.
@@unicornbetch7332 wow, thats a heartless thing to say coming from a human. We all get opinions. Your acting as though i dont support the trans community, i definitely do. If you could read properly, maybe you'd know that. It's the fact that, when the trans movies are being made, everyone bitches and moans that it doesn't actually cast a trans person instead of seeing it from a good point of view. And that good point of view is that trans people are actually being recognised instead of being ignored. It's better than nothing, would it be better for you if trans people weren't recognised? And its only the beginning, how long has it been since the lgbtq+ community has been accepted? Not that long. You expect everything to go from 0 to 100 in seconds. When it takes actual human time.
Let me just say this, *THEY ARE ACTORS AND ACTRESSES, THE KEY WORD THATS IN THERE IS ACT. THEY ARE NOT ONLY SHEDDING LIGHT ON YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE IT FROM YOUR ALLS PERSPECTIVE. STOP BACKSLASHING THEM, ITS NOT CAUSING ANY HARM.* Okay, thank you.
*Edit:* This is for those in the LGBT community who saw wrong in something good.
“Too Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar” is one of the greatest movies EVER!
Thaaank you!!
I was totally expecting to see madea and big momma in here, like why weren't these mentioned
1:13 ????!!!! Did she just - like - PULL UP HER SHIRT????
I've never seen the movie but STILLLL LIKE WHAT??!!!!?!!?
You neeeeeed to watch it lol! So good and she does for a reason.
Omg straight away...robin Williams played a SCOTTISH lady 😂
What about Tilda Swinton in Orlando?
8:41 I AGREE I LOVE JESSICA LANGE SO MUCH
You forgot Big Mama and Norbit
I still love Julie Andrews in Victor Victoria! If you haven't seen it, you should watch it!
I hate that. I hate that Trans people like myself are so against a Cist playing our roles. Do you know how honored I feel for these legends to have taken the Role. Most people won't. Seeing El fanning as a man was great. Seeing Jared letto as a woman. God legendary. They aren't mocking us or trying to make us look bad. They are bringing attention to the matter.
Yeah no, lol go back to middle school
Jessica Lange won best supporting actress and not best actress for Tootsie. You also forgot Nathan Lane in Birdcage, Felicity Huffman in Transamerica, Glenn Close in Albert Nobbs & Cate Blanchett in I’m Not Here
For the people who say that if they aren't transgender they shouldn't play a transgender, then if the character is hetero, shouldn't be play by a non-hetero actor. It is a nonsense for the sake of feeling offensive about something.
The problem, in my opinion, is that trans people are so very rarely cast in anything. Yes -- performances like Eddie Redmayne's in The Danish Girl are stellar and I wouldn't change the actors. But I do think that there's a pattern of casting cis people for trans roles, a pattern that doesn't have to be there. It's like the Bechdel test: having two female characters interact and speak about something other than a man doesn't necessarily make the film good, but it does do something for better representation of women. The same could be said about trans roles and actors.
Madea/Tyler Perry should have been number one !
What is with Lee Pace in Soldier's girl?
Those wigs weren’t that bad.
Mrs. Doubtfire is Scottish. Not English. That's such a big mistake I'm kinda surprised you got it so wrong.
Actually when asked about her accent she said she came from all over the United Kingdom
3 generations is on Netflix and its SOOOO GOOOD
Male or Female if an actor is good why should it matter what gender or sexuality the part is. If the movie/acting is good does it really matter. People will always find something to complain about even if there is nothing there. As long as they aren't making fun of any gender or sexuality it should be fine.
To be honest, that wig wasn't bad at all. But what do l know?
Daria Marinescu right?! It’s what most teenage boys hair looks like honestly
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Acting is a profession. In Sense8, Jamie Clayton did a fabulous job in her role. She was quite fascinating and I've seen her in other roles as well. But the question of whether or not transgender roles could be played better by transgender actors is only relative if the only essential acting element of the character is gender or gender identity. But when you start building a character around a theme and you include friends, family, co-workers, protagonists, antagonists and the REST of the content/context of acting, can the full list of transgender actors touch the superstars that played those roles with great box office results?
Think of it another way. I'm a retired electrician. My father-in-law and I were a father-son operation. We specialized in home renovation electrical work. One day we started a job for a gay couple. I didn't think anything of it, until the next job, we did work for a lesbian couple. For six months all our jobs came from the LGBTQ community. Someone we worked for must have really appreciated our work ethic, fair pricing, etc or perhaps just our jovial sense of fun when we work and put us on some kind of "trusted services" list. Thank you by the way for that. So, asking the question of whether a transgender person could act out a role of a transgender character better than a cisgender person, isn't about gender, it is about acting. I do believe that transgender method actors of any talent would nail the transgender part of a transgender character, but there are many more elements to any role than the gender of the character. Does the lesbian couple only hire lesbian electricians? I wouldn't judge them if they did - we all have our comfort zones and beliefs and needs. I think at the end of the day most humans want the best service for their money, whether it is the installation of a ceiling fan in the bedroom or a box-office hit at the theater. My final thought is, we'll get there. I was a teen and young adult in the 80s. Gender Fluid and non-Binary sexual identity wasn't even a concept, let alone a cultural expression. As transgender actors become more well-known like Jaime Clayton, that should inspire all the other transgender actors to try that much harder to make it in showbiz, which is a hard world for any actor by all accounts.
I think many transgender actors might have the potential to get more jobs than most cisgender actors if they were willing to play either gender. If that is somehow insulting, that was not my intent, but in Hollywood if you want to "arrive", then use all your gifts and talents to get there.
I don't pretend to have all the answers, nor can I appreciate all the different types of unique identities that any human chooses, but what I do appreciate is that underneath all the labels and group identities there are just a sea of humans wanting, needing and working to create the life that is most valued by them. Perhaps someday we can all be whatever we are without all the drama and discord of differences and a desire to be unique.
Lee Pace on Soldier's Girl was AMAZING!
I think the issues with non lgbt+ people playing lgbt+ characters is one of two things. Firstly there aren't nearly enough lgbt+ roles in films yet to correctly represent how vast the community is/how many people are part of the lgbt+ community, therefore the roles are harder to come by and obtain for any actor who isn't an A-lister. Secondly, we've seen it done over and over with minority roles where 10 people could audition for a part, 9 of them identifying the same as the character, yet still that one actor who isn't gay or trans will get the role because that's what the director finds comfortable to deal with. It's the same with any minority group really, take for example deaf actors and deaf roles. Many deaf actors won't get the part of a deaf character because the people making the film don't know how to direct someone who's deaf. It's incredibly hypocritical and insensitive, to say "we want to make a movie from the perspective of a deaf person to rid the stigma" then turn around and say "but we don't want any actual deaf actors because that's too hard" causing the stigma they are supposedly trying to get rid of.
What about Soldier's Girl with Lee Pace? He was awesome
Listen, I've been dreaming of being an actress but doing male roles, but it is impossible unless you get lucky (or unlucky, depending on what you want) and get one of these parts
Jared Leto, Cillian Murphy and Jefferey Tambor all played trans women
ENGLISH LADY?! NOPE! Wrong country 🙈
Chris Lilley is one of the best Australian actors who plays ja'mie, mr g, jonah and many more. Not to mention he just came out with the new Netflix tv show lunatics so where is his honourable mention
No mention of Crying Game?!
I think anyone can play any role no matter the gender. I think its good to be that versatile
Any actor should be allowed to play any role so long as they can play the role better than anyone else
No mention of Lee Pace’s amazing performance in Solider’s Girl??? What!?
What I thought hair spray was a lady 😂
hillary swank-shes so handsome and eddy redmayne-hes so beautiful.
guys!!! Glenn Close at Albert Nobbs... she was memorable in that role
I will ALWAYS love White Chicks!!!! It is a classic!
Ugh Tom Cruise was supposed to play salt? Thank goodness Angelina Jolie played it. We've had enough of that mediocre old dude in action film.
but u dont have to be this salty to the dude
People should be thankful for these actors doing a great job in a trans role, and stop complaining, is already ridiculous, if trans actors would be so good they would've been casted instead.
They're not being cast because they're trans. Hollywood doesn't want trans ppl. Ppl don't want trans actors to be in movies. There's a reason why trans ppl want more rights.
I give zero ducks about whether actors who play transgender characters are actually transgender. All I care about is that they respect the LGBT community!
I am here wondering why Eddie Murphy playing multiple roles of women and men in Nutty Professor isn't included in the list. Or why Tyler Perry in Madea? What about Martin Lawrence in Big Momma's House? to mention a few.
Think really hard and you can't figure out why they didn't mention those 3 people. i am not trying to be rude to you with the comment so don't take it that way.
@@Masterobe so what are trying to do?
Mrs. Doubtfire was Scottish!
ALRIGHTY,where madea at??
Lee Pace should be in this list.. he was fenomenal as a woman...
I think all that "cisgender playing transgender" is bullshit. Some people just want to fight over stupid things.
We all should be grateful transgender is portrayed by such talended artists. period.
Ok we forgot a few huh? How about Glenn Close in Albert Nobbs (which by the way was my fav) and Lee Pace in Soldier's Girl?
they forgot to mention about big mommas house!!😜🤣
I think it's AWESOME that these actors did this.SERIOUSLY!!!!;):)
Missed Joyce Hyser (just one of the guys). but also i loved boys dont cry, cause it made me cry ngl. i dont think that its wrong for a cis actor to play a trans role, because honestly, if a person fits a character, then they should be cast, maybe there was real trans people trying out for roles, but their acting standard wasnt great or they didnt fit the role. like hilary swank played Brandon amazingly and she was portraying a real life character, meaning the person cast, had to resemble and be able to play the real Brandon Teena.