India is very Ancient 🇮🇳, more than 12500 years ago before even the great flood, before the Egyptians, or Greeks, date the Mayan, date the Tamil culture, ask Alexander how he defeated in India from porus. Even english, and most of your european languages came from Persian which came from Sanskrit.
Greeks became what they were because of India 😅, if they had no connection with India they would have remained same as others. Same goes for China as well.
And so did the Rest of the World. Thanks to Dalrymple the Wonder and Glory that was India is now known to the World. Science Mathematics the Arts and Music and Argriculture and Cuisine and Theatre.
Chess...and the Art of War , although these days we are a Nation of Peace. The Ancient Greeks and Persians tried to invade India many times and failed. The great Religious epics Mahabharatha and Ramyana were probably source material for much of greek theatre, and everybody should know that from India the symbol 0 appeared and changed the course of maths and Astronomy for ever. Its even said that some of stories in the great religious epics formed the source of the Old Testament.
Sure.😂 What's the proof there was ancient anything in India. Ancient Greece and Egyptian and persian proofs stand tall. No building, be it an old temple, in india predates ancient European civilization, not even close. And the British established the archeological survey and the scientific technologies to excavation and methodology. If not for them we wouldn't have known ANYTHING as we were not the curious types. We were more mujra dekhke mote hone wale types. All the tallest Himalayan peaks were discovered and climed on by Englishmen. Because they had a hungry and curious mind, unlike our thul-thule rajas who just knew how to procreate and eat.
@Amory98 Indians have many things for which they can be proud of. And there are ample evidence of them. In mathematics Aryabhatta, Bhaskara, Lilavati, Madhava just to name a few. Ancient India excelled in astronomy, metallurgy, medicine, literature and linguistics, spirituality, philosophy, political and social science, etc. Whoever discovered them, they are true facts.
Here are key points on how Greeks imported knowledge from India: *Mathematics and Astronomy:* 1. Indian numerals (0-9) were adopted by Greeks, later spreading to Europe. - Source: "The Oxford Handbook of the History of Mathematics" (2009) by Eleanor Robson - Evidence: Greek manuscripts like "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century) contain Indian numerals. 2. Aryabhata's astronomical works influenced Greek astronomy. - Source: "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976) - Evidence: Greek astronomer Ptolemy's "Almagest" (circa 150 CE) shows similarities with Aryabhata's "Aryabhatiya" (499 CE). *Philosophy and Spirituality:* 1. Greek philosophers like Pyrrho and Plato were influenced by Indian thought. - Source: "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002) - Evidence: Pyrrho's teachings on skepticism and Platonic ideas on reincarnation resemble Indian concepts. 2. Buddhist and Hindu texts were translated into Greek. - Source: "The Greek Buddha" by Christopher Beckwith (2015) - Evidence: Fragments of Buddhist texts in Greek, such as "The Greek Buddhist Sutras" (circa 2nd century CE). *Medicine and Science:* 1. Indian medical texts like Charaka Samhita influenced Greek medicine. - Source: "A History of Indian Medical Literature" by G. J. Meulenbeld (1999-2002) - Evidence: Greek physician Galen's works cite Indian medical concepts. 2. Indian steel production techniques were adopted by Greeks. - Source: "The Cambridge Economic History of the Greco-Roman World" (2007) by Walter Scheidel - Evidence: Archaeological findings of Indian steel in Greek regions. *Trade and Cultural Exchange:* 1. Indo-Greek trade flourished during the Mauryan Empire (322-185 BCE). - Source: "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE) - Evidence: Indian artifacts found in Greek cities, such as Taxila and Begram. 2. Greek ambassadors and travelers visited India, documenting Indian culture. - Source: "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE) - Evidence: Descriptions of Indian customs, philosophy, and science in Greek texts. Key sources: 1. "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE) 2. "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE) 3. "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century) 4. "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976) 5. "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002) Evidence: 1. Archaeological findings (e.g., Indian artifacts in Greek cities) 2. Greek manuscripts containing Indian numerals and texts
@@ShikharRawat-ft6yd how did you reach that conclusion? Indus Valley and Ancient Greece were contemporary. Vedic period was not older than Greece. Lett's be proud of our history without being jinoistic and inventing lies
@@pannagarao8894 okay this is what i found "The Keezhadi excavation site is located in this area: excavations carried out by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) and the Tamil Nadu Archaeology Department (TNAD) have revealed a Sangam era settlement dated to the 6th century BCE by radiocarbon dating.[1]" So, 6th century BC -- that is NOT older than Ancient Greece. It is not even older than IVC. I don't know what your point was, but PLEASE try to be less arrogant and learn to make your points more articulately. Simply saying "GoOgLe iT"" is a terrible form. Just to reiterate, learn to celebrate our history without being jingoestic. They are westerners, of course Greece is their reference.
He is a double agent who is trying to control the friction to ease indians into slaughter house All his findings were already found by indian twitter historians(as he himself aknowdges) who were tagged as conspiracy theorists and whatsApp graduates. Now he is writing these same facts as his own while still pushing us off as same old right wing distorians Watch his mehndi hassan interview, see how he still tags people as hindutva nationalist for making the same claim as his
We Indians do not demand or command empathy we need to know if the contents are scientifically stated or it is a story in the disguise of history.what our scientists say about us that too need listening to before jumping buy buy buy karan thappar is one? What doesProf jha said? Romila thappar said? We decide after reading and understanding all then I will buy spending such a huge amount of money Autonomous was wring onNepalese grammar Greirson right in calling Hindi Bihari Bhasa many of the Britisher’s writings on GorkhaBhasa are in tune with developement al period .
Eating a masala omelette while watching this. Great fun! I'm Indian, 10 years older than WD and grew up in London. We were taught no Indian history at all at school. We DID learn about Empress Matilda's escape from prison... which couldn't be more irrelevant, and the "other" Anarchy, the feud between her and King Stephen..... I read Dalrymple's books to help fill in the huge gaps in my understanding of the country where I was actually born. Given the huge elephant in the room-the former British Empire, this needs to be better addressed in school.
@@GaneshPalraj1991 but west don’t allow Indians to teach correct history to our kids while they looted our country took our knowledge and keep mum about that , Marxist historians, Christians missionaries and irfan habib liners books should be banned in India
@@GaneshPalraj1991when you have no idea of what happened and you have none from so called deshi side it is always better to learn from foreigners any way? Afterall who is a foreigner in India “ None who is a mool asi? None Infact the very word India wasGreek discovery No idea who was the real bharat? No winder Netaji labelled the tag ofFather of theNation on Gandhi though our culture upholds mother as the topmost holy cow? The foreigners taught us how to write history
WD's writings are great, their historical narrative, particularly concerning British colonial rule in India, presents a somewhat sanitized view. By emphasizing the role of capitalism and de-emphasizing the direct culpability of the British Crown.
Am a huge history buff and I just got hooked on to William D about 15 years now. Recall getting fascinated so much reading 'The White Mughals' that I joined a group for the trip to rhe amazing 'monument' which possibly inspired the White House. My excitement reached a crescendo when William D replied to my insta message to him updating him about the situation in 2018. A year later was lucky to meet him at the Tata Lit festival at Mumbai. India is lucky to have you WD🙏 Your amazing ability of story telling is beyond compare. Thank you.
@@bhargavsonvane9204 it's not a question of honesty. As William clearly says these Marxist historian have been apologetic about indian history and indian textbook and general historical narrative was changed after independence.
How so ? Darymple is not a historian. He is a popular non fiction writer and this book is really to curry favour with the new right wing majoritarian muslim hating Modi government. Sda he has come to this. Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib are exemplanary historians.
@@ladusingh2141 Relax 🥥... Arun Shourie had already exposed those so called narrative builders in his book " Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud". So hold your 🐎
I respect all cultures/regions/countries for what they are. But, I am really really very proud of the land where I was born- India. Ancient and medieval India was a birthplace of 4 religions and religious thoughts- Sanatan Dharma (Or Hinduism), Sikkhi (Sikhism), Buddhism and Jainism. Don't think so there is any region in the world like that. How can such a land be nothing but Pious and Sacred.
Greece was itself heavily influenced by indian knowledge Aristotle and Alexander life goal was to bring hindu brahmin /jain/Buddhist scholars to Macedonia
My main concern is how to survive all of these financial and political crisis, especially in light of the US political power scuffle. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance
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Voltaire 18th venture: “I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges, - astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc... It is very important to note that some 2,500 years ago at the least Pythagoras went from Samos to the Ganges to learn geometry...But he would certainly not have undertaken such a strange journey had the reputation of the Brahmins' science not been long established in Europe
Dalrymple needs to be commended for calling "silk route trade" bluff. Even today with advances in transportation hardly any trade happens through land route
Gentleman William Dalrymple like many other European made big mistake by calling - India was Greece of Asia. Truth is- Greece was little India in Europe
Here are key points on how Greeks imported knowledge from India: *Mathematics and Astronomy:* 1. Indian numerals (0-9) were adopted by Greeks, later spreading to Europe. - Source: "The Oxford Handbook of the History of Mathematics" (2009) by Eleanor Robson - Evidence: Greek manuscripts like "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century) contain Indian numerals. 2. Aryabhata's astronomical works influenced Greek astronomy. - Source: "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976) - Evidence: Greek astronomer Ptolemy's "Almagest" (circa 150 CE) shows similarities with Aryabhata's "Aryabhatiya" (499 CE). *Philosophy and Spirituality:* 1. Greek philosophers like Pyrrho and Plato were influenced by Indian thought. - Source: "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002) - Evidence: Pyrrho's teachings on skepticism and Platonic ideas on reincarnation resemble Indian concepts. 2. Buddhist and Hindu texts were translated into Greek. - Source: "The Greek Buddha" by Christopher Beckwith (2015) - Evidence: Fragments of Buddhist texts in Greek, such as "The Greek Buddhist Sutras" (circa 2nd century CE). *Medicine and Science:* 1. Indian medical texts like Charaka Samhita influenced Greek medicine. - Source: "A History of Indian Medical Literature" by G. J. Meulenbeld (1999-2002) - Evidence: Greek physician Galen's works cite Indian medical concepts. 2. Indian steel production techniques were adopted by Greeks. - Source: "The Cambridge Economic History of the Greco-Roman World" (2007) by Walter Scheidel - Evidence: Archaeological findings of Indian steel in Greek regions. *Trade and Cultural Exchange:* 1. Indo-Greek trade flourished during the Mauryan Empire (322-185 BCE). - Source: "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE) - Evidence: Indian artifacts found in Greek cities, such as Taxila and Begram. 2. Greek ambassadors and travelers visited India, documenting Indian culture. - Source: "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE) - Evidence: Descriptions of Indian customs, philosophy, and science in Greek texts. Key sources: 1. "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE) 2. "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE) 3. "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century) 4. "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976) 5. "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002) Evidence: 1. Archaeological findings (e.g., Indian artifacts in Greek cities) 2. Greek manuscripts containing Indian numerals and texts
Chill out. It was a comparison for Europeans or westerns to understand the importance of India as Greece is like one of the roots of western civilization. It was not meant to be a real comparison.
@@aleph8888 well, I guess stealing Indian wealth and resources while starving millions to death was well worth it, right? At least they have a parliamentary system to show for it
It's interesting how all the ancient civilizations like India Egypt Ethiopia Greek Italy Rome China and Persia has extremely great cuisine but you cant say same for new western Civilizations like anglo saxons and usa which was found by anglo saxons.
this guy William Dalrymple is deceptive.. Hindu sages were known to be wises ppl to Greeks... India was greece of greece, greek philosophers were supposed to hv travelled to India and met wise ppl and became wise.. Philostratus etc write so in their history.. Dandamis story shows their intellect & bravery
Dalrymple is a scammer, not a real historian. He just promotes a fake Islamic and white colonizer narrative of India, not based on historical research, but just his personal fantasy.
It's incredible how little the world knows about the wealth and cultural traditions of ancient India before it was looted dry by Colonial forces like Britain and Islamic invaders. It's a miracle despite being just 75 years old after it gained freedom from Brits it's now 5th biggest economy in the world!
Some left out wisdom is in Sanskrit texts ( much was destroyed by invaders) must be traced and preserved for research and reason….. It’s profound wisdom: of thousands of years of intellectual activity by humans!
I prefer james obrien in this context, as opposed to talking over guests and browbeating them, even if he is usually correct to do so. Excellent interview
No offense but this statement on the thumbnail is kind of insult to India since Indian civilization is clearly older. In fact the only civilization that can actually compete with Indian civilization at being ancient is the civilization of Iraq and Iran ie Mesopotamian civilization.
Chill out. The more ancient Olympics is pointless and also it was a comparison for Europeans or westerns to understand the importance of India as Greece is taken as one of the roots of western civilization. It was not meant as a real comparison.
Thanks James and William for wonderful conversation. Thanks for mentioning India's vast contribution to the world which is unknown to most of the people, especially the numbers and zero.
I met him in the US at a talk he was giving about how East India Company was a corporation that had British navy in its pockets and how the same is happening in India and the same has happened in the US with the military industrial complex
A descendent of James Prinsep, Dalrymple might consider taking up the historic role of being the Joseph Needham for India. Along the same lines, an entire new chapter, if not a follow-up book, could come simply from tracing the fascinating trajectory of the numerous translations and global spread of the famous Panchatantra texts and ideas from ancient India (Vishnu Sharma, ~200 BC) to all over the ancient and medieval world (e.g., Aesop's Fables).
I am from India and my ancestry goes back for several thousand years, so does that of millions of Hindus, Jains and Buddhists. We don’t need any silly comparisons to Greece. Please you so called scholars desist this stale, weak comparison. When Greece “discovered” India in 300 BCE, India was already 2,000 years older than Greece. Alexander learned from Hindu ascetics and philosophers. India has nothing to learn from contemporary Greece. In the same way, it is ludicrous of the British to say such things as “ Chanakya was the “Indian Machiavelli”. What nonsense. Chanakya was several millennia earlier than Machiavelli. Chanakya was so clever he engineered the defeat and expulsion of Seleucus Nicator from India, ending Greek colonization. Read history without the distorted view of Eurocentrism.
You can find absolutely similar parallel with greek mythology and hindu mythology same story but different names wich also explains why Socrates revolted against Greek gods in his time because they were never greek originally they were borrowed from hindu , ancient Greece worshiped visnu and krishna as Hercules
The whole Indian themed videos are sprouting everywhere. They are leveraging the huge population to bring in the crowd to their platform. Darlymple is an exception though.
India is quintessentially asia and birthplace of eastern religions and only countty that has had cultural links with all of asia . Indosphere with southeast asia and buddhism with east asia .islamic links with central and west asia . Ethnically and linguistically extremely diverse
India was the education hub of ancients from where the world took inspiration . There was u written rule at that time you were allowed to take the main concept and write it in your environment dialect with local names ti make ut relevant to your people who didn't know india. That was the way to introduce great literature to people who would not understand the original literature.
James, my husband Michael and I are huge fans of your work but we're both troubled by the lack of women appearing on Full Disclosure. What's going on? Me aro koe ki te hā o Hine-ahu-one. Pay heed to the power of women, James. And thank you for your splendid voice, and sense of humour, but James bring the wahine back, there is no shortage of them. Mihi maioha ki a koe me to mahi, thank you and appreciate our work. Warm regards, Elizabeth Mortlock, and Michael Salmen, Tāheke, Hokianga. NZ
We are the first n only ancient civilizations in the world... India the birthplace of humane race n language .... India is the mother of tradition n culture . Grandmother of History n legend.. Great Grandmother of literature, Science, scripture n sculptures.... India is the heart of the world... When westerns didn't civilized ,when they lived in forest ,even didn't know how to eat! In that time we gave the vedas, puranas n upanishads ,literature, science, astronomy, economics, philosophy to the world's....plz came out of from the so-called colonialism mindset, only we (westrens) are civilised, only we are nlighly skilled, educated n professional.... Its actually 100% wrong.... Don't to be pretending we(western)are cool n civilized...
Pingala acharya noted down the binary system 300bc. Hence aryabhatta by no stretch of the imagination, invented nought/zero nor the decimal system. The surya Siddhanta certainly calculated using the decimal system .
This is embarrassing asf. India's gdp share to world was 46% of world's gdp. Entire Europe combined together in comparison didn't even make up for 13%. (Rest was mostly carried by China) Greeks isn't even ancient civilization. India and Egypt comparison is much more logical as they were first advanced settlements in human history. Indus valley or Saraswati valley civilization is at least as old as 6000 bce while Egyptian civilization is as old as 3500 bce. Greek isn't even in conversation.
Both India and Africa were doing well and develing according to their own pace and customs. And then European came and everything went belly up for India and Africa.
Greece was the India of ancient Europe.
Yess
I was about to type the same. Glad to see it.
@@vamshi8694 Same here
Very true.
He is pointing things into perspective for European or Western viewers. There is nothing wrong with that, in case you are taking a swipe
India (Bhaarat/Bhaarath) is Older than Greece. So you can say Greece was the India of Europe.
@@bineetgulati9 false and unproven words
India is very Ancient 🇮🇳, more than 12500 years ago before even the great flood, before the Egyptians, or Greeks, date the Mayan, date the Tamil culture, ask Alexander how he defeated in India from porus.
Even english, and most of your european languages came from Persian which came from Sanskrit.
@channelrex5238 this is false word
Greeks became what they were because of India 😅, if they had no connection with India they would have remained same as others. Same goes for China as well.
That's right 👍
Thsts a bit of an insult! To India! The Greeks learnt a lot from India.
Like what?
And so did the Rest of the World.
Thanks to Dalrymple the
Wonder and Glory that was India is now known to the World. Science Mathematics the Arts and Music and Argriculture and Cuisine and Theatre.
Okay?
But what specifically did the Indian teach Ancient Greek?
@petervinberg6823 - maths, philosophy, agriculture and civility.
Chess...and the Art of War , although these days we are a Nation of Peace.
The Ancient Greeks and Persians tried to invade India many times and failed. The great Religious epics Mahabharatha and Ramyana were probably source material for much of greek theatre, and everybody should know that from India the symbol 0 appeared and changed the course of maths and Astronomy for ever. Its even said that some of stories in the great religious epics formed the source of the Old Testament.
Then came Chrislam and destroyed Bhaarata. Now Bhaarata is emerging from wounds of a millennium
Before that Sakas.
@@moongrass217 No really they became Hindu Shivites and were defeated.
@anniemaraj8773 Yeah, but the vedic aryans culture is gone forever. According to Mahabharata, Bharatah in Kaliyuga will be ruled by Mlecchas.
Sure.😂 What's the proof there was ancient anything in India. Ancient Greece and Egyptian and persian proofs stand tall. No building, be it an old temple, in india predates ancient European civilization, not even close. And the British established the archeological survey and the scientific technologies to excavation and methodology. If not for them we wouldn't have known ANYTHING as we were not the curious types. We were more mujra dekhke mote hone wale types. All the tallest Himalayan peaks were discovered and climed on by Englishmen. Because they had a hungry and curious mind, unlike our thul-thule rajas who just knew how to procreate and eat.
@Amory98 Indians have many things for which they can be proud of. And there are ample evidence of them. In mathematics Aryabhatta, Bhaskara, Lilavati, Madhava just to name a few. Ancient India excelled in astronomy, metallurgy, medicine, literature and linguistics, spirituality, philosophy, political and social science, etc. Whoever discovered them, they are true facts.
Sorry, Greece was the ancient India of Europe.
Here are key points on how Greeks imported knowledge from India:
*Mathematics and Astronomy:*
1. Indian numerals (0-9) were adopted by Greeks, later spreading to Europe.
- Source: "The Oxford Handbook of the History of Mathematics" (2009) by Eleanor Robson
- Evidence: Greek manuscripts like "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century) contain Indian numerals.
2. Aryabhata's astronomical works influenced Greek astronomy.
- Source: "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976)
- Evidence: Greek astronomer Ptolemy's "Almagest" (circa 150 CE) shows similarities with Aryabhata's "Aryabhatiya" (499 CE).
*Philosophy and Spirituality:*
1. Greek philosophers like Pyrrho and Plato were influenced by Indian thought.
- Source: "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002)
- Evidence: Pyrrho's teachings on skepticism and Platonic ideas on reincarnation resemble Indian concepts.
2. Buddhist and Hindu texts were translated into Greek.
- Source: "The Greek Buddha" by Christopher Beckwith (2015)
- Evidence: Fragments of Buddhist texts in Greek, such as "The Greek Buddhist Sutras" (circa 2nd century CE).
*Medicine and Science:*
1. Indian medical texts like Charaka Samhita influenced Greek medicine.
- Source: "A History of Indian Medical Literature" by G. J. Meulenbeld (1999-2002)
- Evidence: Greek physician Galen's works cite Indian medical concepts.
2. Indian steel production techniques were adopted by Greeks.
- Source: "The Cambridge Economic History of the Greco-Roman World" (2007) by Walter Scheidel
- Evidence: Archaeological findings of Indian steel in Greek regions.
*Trade and Cultural Exchange:*
1. Indo-Greek trade flourished during the Mauryan Empire (322-185 BCE).
- Source: "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE)
- Evidence: Indian artifacts found in Greek cities, such as Taxila and Begram.
2. Greek ambassadors and travelers visited India, documenting Indian culture.
- Source: "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE)
- Evidence: Descriptions of Indian customs, philosophy, and science in Greek texts.
Key sources:
1. "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE)
2. "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE)
3. "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century)
4. "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976)
5. "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002)
Evidence:
1. Archaeological findings (e.g., Indian artifacts in Greek cities)
2. Greek manuscripts containing Indian numerals and texts
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Quality comment giving sources, love it and thank you.
Nice discussion, Though the title should be Ancient Greece is the India of Europe as India is a much older civilization than Greece
That is a stretch. Your Brahman scholars claim over a billion years. There was no animal life then.
Bharat of europe
@@ShikharRawat-ft6yd how did you reach that conclusion? Indus Valley and Ancient Greece were contemporary. Vedic period was not older than Greece. Lett's be proud of our history without being jinoistic and inventing lies
@@ketansrivastav do you know about kezhadi in TN, Google it
@@pannagarao8894 okay this is what i found "The Keezhadi excavation site is located in this area: excavations carried out by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) and the Tamil Nadu Archaeology Department (TNAD) have revealed a Sangam era settlement dated to the 6th century BCE by radiocarbon dating.[1]"
So, 6th century BC -- that is NOT older than Ancient Greece. It is not even older than IVC. I don't know what your point was, but PLEASE try to be less arrogant and learn to make your points more articulately. Simply saying "GoOgLe iT"" is a terrible form.
Just to reiterate, learn to celebrate our history without being jingoestic. They are westerners, of course Greece is their reference.
Love William Dalrymple. My favourite author. He's brought such an extra depth of understanding to my travels in India.
A brilliant writer.
He is happily settled in India.
The first writer from the West who has studied India with a sense of empathy and reverence.
There would be a lot more.
He is a double agent who is trying to control the friction to ease indians into slaughter house
All his findings were already found by indian twitter historians(as he himself aknowdges) who were tagged as conspiracy theorists and whatsApp graduates.
Now he is writing these same facts as his own while still pushing us off as same old right wing distorians
Watch his mehndi hassan interview, see how he still tags people as hindutva nationalist for making the same claim as his
There are a lot of them
We Indians do not demand or command empathy we need to know if the contents are scientifically stated or it is a story in the disguise of history.what our scientists say about us that too need listening to before jumping buy buy buy karan thappar is one? What doesProf jha said? Romila thappar said? We decide after reading and understanding all then I will buy spending such a huge amount of money
Autonomous was wring onNepalese grammar Greirson right in calling Hindi Bihari Bhasa many of the Britisher’s writings on GorkhaBhasa are in tune with developement al period .
lol no, he has his own bias against Hindus which he is very subtle in showing
Eating a masala omelette while watching this. Great fun! I'm Indian, 10 years older than WD and grew up in London. We were taught no Indian history at all at school. We DID learn about Empress Matilda's escape from prison... which couldn't be more irrelevant, and the "other" Anarchy, the feud between her and King Stephen..... I read Dalrymple's books to help fill in the huge gaps in my understanding of the country where I was actually born. Given the huge elephant in the room-the former British Empire, this needs to be better addressed in school.
We can't expect a foreign country to show your history.
@@GaneshPalraj1991 but west don’t allow Indians to teach correct history to our kids while they looted our country took our knowledge and keep mum about that , Marxist historians, Christians missionaries and irfan habib liners books should be banned in India
@@GaneshPalraj1991when you have no idea of what happened and you have none from so called deshi side it is always better to learn from foreigners any way? Afterall who is a foreigner in India “ None who is a mool asi? None Infact the very word India wasGreek discovery
No idea who was the real bharat? No winder Netaji labelled the tag ofFather of theNation on Gandhi though our culture upholds mother as the topmost holy cow? The foreigners taught us how to write history
@ManiKumar-ht1cf U didnt read anything about Rigveda...
WD's writings are great, their historical narrative, particularly concerning British colonial rule in India, presents a somewhat sanitized view. By emphasizing the role of capitalism and de-emphasizing the direct culpability of the British Crown.
The empire podcast is an absolute historical delight.
It's not history, it's fantasy literature.
Am a huge history buff and I just got hooked on to William D about 15 years now.
Recall getting fascinated so much reading 'The White Mughals' that I joined a group for the trip to rhe amazing 'monument' which possibly inspired the White House. My excitement reached a crescendo when William D replied to my insta message to him updating him about the situation in 2018. A year later was lucky to meet him at the Tata Lit festival at Mumbai.
India is lucky to have you WD🙏 Your amazing ability of story telling is beyond compare. Thank you.
Yes, 100% correct.
Greece was like ancient Jambudeep or Bharaatbhumi or Bharaatbarsha or
Hindustan or
India of Europe 🙌🏻
Greece is the India of Europe!
William has given a tight slap to the post independence official indian historians and narrative setters like Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib.
But I thought Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib were honest historians. How could u say that explain
@@bhargavsonvane9204 it's not a question of honesty.
As William clearly says these Marxist historian have been apologetic about indian history and indian textbook and general historical narrative was changed after independence.
How so ? Darymple is not a historian. He is a popular non fiction writer and this book is really to curry favour with the new right wing majoritarian muslim hating Modi government. Sda he has come to this. Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib are exemplanary historians.
@@arnabmitra11 take a bus ride. You dont know what you are talking about. Not the place to give us upper caste mumbo jumbo.
@@ladusingh2141 Relax 🥥... Arun Shourie had already exposed those so called narrative builders in his book " Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud". So hold your 🐎
I respect all cultures/regions/countries for what they are. But, I am really really very proud of the land where I was born- India. Ancient and medieval India was a birthplace of 4 religions and religious thoughts- Sanatan Dharma (Or Hinduism), Sikkhi (Sikhism), Buddhism and Jainism. Don't think so there is any region in the world like that. How can such a land be nothing but Pious and Sacred.
Greece was itself heavily influenced by indian knowledge Aristotle and Alexander life goal was to bring hindu brahmin /jain/Buddhist scholars to Macedonia
Going to ellora caves and ajanta caves next week!
Kailash temple, biggest monolithic structure u will witness
My main concern is how to survive all of these financial and political crisis, especially in light of the US political power scuffle. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance
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Voltaire 18th venture: “I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges, - astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc... It is very important to note that some 2,500 years ago at the least Pythagoras went from Samos to the Ganges to learn geometry...But he would certainly not have undertaken such a strange journey had the reputation of the Brahmins' science not been long established in Europe
Dalrymple needs to be commended for calling "silk route trade" bluff. Even today with advances in transportation hardly any trade happens through land route
Gentleman William Dalrymple like many other European made big mistake by calling - India was Greece of Asia.
Truth is- Greece was little India in Europe
India never existed back then...There were only small kingdoms..
He seems such a likable person.
comparing india with greece is laughable . greece was not even 1% of india
Here are key points on how Greeks imported knowledge from India:
*Mathematics and Astronomy:*
1. Indian numerals (0-9) were adopted by Greeks, later spreading to Europe.
- Source: "The Oxford Handbook of the History of Mathematics" (2009) by Eleanor Robson
- Evidence: Greek manuscripts like "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century) contain Indian numerals.
2. Aryabhata's astronomical works influenced Greek astronomy.
- Source: "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976)
- Evidence: Greek astronomer Ptolemy's "Almagest" (circa 150 CE) shows similarities with Aryabhata's "Aryabhatiya" (499 CE).
*Philosophy and Spirituality:*
1. Greek philosophers like Pyrrho and Plato were influenced by Indian thought.
- Source: "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002)
- Evidence: Pyrrho's teachings on skepticism and Platonic ideas on reincarnation resemble Indian concepts.
2. Buddhist and Hindu texts were translated into Greek.
- Source: "The Greek Buddha" by Christopher Beckwith (2015)
- Evidence: Fragments of Buddhist texts in Greek, such as "The Greek Buddhist Sutras" (circa 2nd century CE).
*Medicine and Science:*
1. Indian medical texts like Charaka Samhita influenced Greek medicine.
- Source: "A History of Indian Medical Literature" by G. J. Meulenbeld (1999-2002)
- Evidence: Greek physician Galen's works cite Indian medical concepts.
2. Indian steel production techniques were adopted by Greeks.
- Source: "The Cambridge Economic History of the Greco-Roman World" (2007) by Walter Scheidel
- Evidence: Archaeological findings of Indian steel in Greek regions.
*Trade and Cultural Exchange:*
1. Indo-Greek trade flourished during the Mauryan Empire (322-185 BCE).
- Source: "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE)
- Evidence: Indian artifacts found in Greek cities, such as Taxila and Begram.
2. Greek ambassadors and travelers visited India, documenting Indian culture.
- Source: "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE)
- Evidence: Descriptions of Indian customs, philosophy, and science in Greek texts.
Key sources:
1. "The Indica" by Megasthenes (circa 300 BCE)
2. "The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea" (circa 1st century CE)
3. "The Greek Anthology" (circa 10th century)
4. "Aryabhata and His Contributions to Mathematics and Astronomy" by S. N. Sen (1976)
5. "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEvilley (2002)
Evidence:
1. Archaeological findings (e.g., Indian artifacts in Greek cities)
2. Greek manuscripts containing Indian numerals and texts
Chill out. It was a comparison for Europeans or westerns to understand the importance of India as Greece is like one of the roots of western civilization. It was not meant to be a real comparison.
India is cradle of human civilization plus innovation and knowledge along with trade and commerce. It is land of renaissance for humans.
@LBC , Greece was the Ancient India of Europe!
Greece was Ancient India of Europe.
"Selling ice to Eskimos" - Funny!
Thanks William for highlighting the true Indian History. BTW, I like the KALWA on your wrist - which is treated sacred in Indian/Hindu culture.
Yes and then came the British and completely devastated India leaving legacy of poverty, economic inequality, and human rights violations.
Are you kidding? Bald and Bankrupt has just done a vlog there and India let all the great stuff the British left turn to dust.
@@jimwest7107 Oh Tucker Carlson entering the comments section
@@jimwest7107yea I can’t believe those Indians left all those great British things like famine
Common law and the biggest Parliamentary State on the planet. The EU could learn something.
@@aleph8888 well, I guess stealing Indian wealth and resources while starving millions to death was well worth it, right? At least they have a parliamentary system to show for it
Glad you talk about it. Indian civilization has been destroyed on so many levels unfortunately 😢
Look at the host scribbling instead of maintaining eye contact with his guest courteously
India was the Ancient Greece of Ancient Greece
Greece was one fourth of what India was.dont spread false agenda
Hmm the red sacred thread on the wrist,great ,seems like there is lot of respect for Indian culture as well.
Dalrymple is obviously partial to Indian cuisine .
Yeah because it is the GOAT CUISINE
It's interesting how all the ancient civilizations like India Egypt Ethiopia Greek Italy Rome China and Persia has extremely great cuisine but you cant say same for new western Civilizations like anglo saxons and usa which was found by anglo saxons.
Western never leave chance to disgrace India,, although India is much older than Greece,,
this guy William Dalrymple is deceptive.. Hindu sages were known to be wises ppl to Greeks... India was greece of greece, greek philosophers were supposed to hv travelled to India and met wise ppl and became wise.. Philostratus etc write so in their history.. Dandamis story shows their intellect & bravery
India was far more advanced and even more ancient of a civilization than greece.
William dalrymple is one of fhe greatest in modern times. Dude is a walking encyclopaedia. Golden road and anarchy are absolute gems
Dalrymple is a scammer, not a real historian. He just promotes a fake Islamic and white colonizer narrative of India, not based on historical research, but just his personal fantasy.
India is India, and Greece is Greece. We don't need a Western reference. Factually, India is much older than Greece.
21 year People who didn't go to University 50-60 years ago were much mature than today's 21 years old 😅
Greece was the ancient Bharat of Europe.
"We gave Edwina Mountbatten as a parting gift!"💀
Totally great
Everyone should read William Dalrymple.
His latest book, The Golden Road, is very readable.
I could chat with Dalrymple for hours
It's incredible how little the world knows about the wealth and cultural traditions of ancient India before it was looted dry by Colonial forces like Britain and Islamic invaders. It's a miracle despite being just 75 years old after it gained freedom from Brits it's now 5th biggest economy in the world!
Some left out wisdom is in Sanskrit texts ( much was destroyed by invaders) must be traced and preserved for research and reason….. It’s profound wisdom: of thousands of years of intellectual activity by humans!
I prefer james obrien in this context, as opposed to talking over guests and browbeating them, even if he is usually correct to do so. Excellent interview
O'Brien इस व गुड कारण थप्पर हंस नो मैच आन धिस काइंड अव तोप लेवल डिस्कशन
No offense but this statement on the thumbnail is kind of insult to India since Indian civilization is clearly older. In fact the only civilization that can actually compete with Indian civilization at being ancient is the civilization of Iraq and Iran ie Mesopotamian civilization.
Chill out. The more ancient Olympics is pointless and also it was a comparison for Europeans or westerns to understand the importance of India as Greece is taken as one of the roots of western civilization. It was not meant as a real comparison.
Wrong man. Greece was the ancient India of Europe.
What india was in the past Greece was 10 per in that time
India was the ancient Greece of World 🌎🌍🌎🌍
Greek people originate from India actually
India was the ancient Greece of The Greeks. Infact greek ancestors migrated from india
Thanks James and William for wonderful conversation. Thanks for mentioning India's vast contribution to the world which is unknown to most of the people, especially the numbers and zero.
I met him in the US at a talk he was giving about how East India Company was a corporation that had British navy in its pockets and how the same is happening in India and the same has happened in the US with the military industrial complex
A descendent of James Prinsep, Dalrymple might consider taking up the historic role of being the Joseph Needham for India. Along the same lines, an entire new chapter, if not a follow-up book, could come simply from tracing the fascinating trajectory of the numerous translations and global spread of the famous Panchatantra texts and ideas from ancient India (Vishnu Sharma, ~200 BC) to all over the ancient and medieval world (e.g., Aesop's Fables).
Rewriting history ? India Bharat is older than greece. Greece is India of Europe
I am from India and my ancestry goes back for several thousand years, so does that of millions of Hindus, Jains and Buddhists. We don’t need any silly comparisons to Greece. Please you so called scholars desist this stale, weak comparison. When Greece “discovered” India in 300 BCE, India was already 2,000 years older than Greece. Alexander learned from Hindu ascetics and philosophers. India has nothing to learn from contemporary Greece. In the same way, it is ludicrous of the British to say such things as “ Chanakya was the “Indian Machiavelli”. What nonsense. Chanakya was several millennia earlier than
Machiavelli. Chanakya was so clever he engineered the defeat and expulsion of Seleucus Nicator from India, ending Greek colonization. Read history without the distorted view of Eurocentrism.
You can find absolutely similar parallel with greek mythology and hindu mythology same story but different names wich also explains why Socrates revolted against Greek gods in his time because they were never greek originally they were borrowed from hindu , ancient Greece worshiped visnu and krishna as Hercules
The whole Indian themed videos are sprouting everywhere. They are leveraging the huge population to bring in the crowd to their platform. Darlymple is an exception though.
India is quintessentially asia and birthplace of eastern religions and only countty that has had cultural links with all of asia . Indosphere with southeast asia and buddhism with east asia .islamic links with central and west asia . Ethnically and linguistically extremely diverse
India is the seed of LIFE
India was also the Ancient Greece of Ancient Greece.
Sorry.. India is ancient than Greece.
Yes 👍
India was the education hub of ancients from where the world took inspiration . There was u written rule at that time you were allowed to take the main concept and write it in your environment dialect with local names ti make ut relevant to your people who didn't know india. That was the way to introduce great literature to people who would not understand the original literature.
James, my husband Michael and I are huge fans of your work but we're both troubled by the lack of women appearing on Full Disclosure. What's going on? Me aro koe ki te hā o Hine-ahu-one. Pay heed to the power of women, James. And thank you for your splendid voice, and sense of humour, but James
bring the wahine back, there is no shortage of them. Mihi maioha ki a koe me to mahi, thank you and
appreciate our work. Warm regards, Elizabeth Mortlock, and Michael Salmen, Tāheke, Hokianga. NZ
Difficult to find female intellectuals of the calibre required....?
He made me an avid reader of history books.
A great author he is, very underrated
He's a fake.
Your guest doesn't know to read/write Sanskrit, Pali or Tamil😂 yet he claims to be Scholar on Ancient India
Indian civilization is oldest of all civilization..so ancient greece was ancient india of europe
We are the first n only ancient civilizations in the world... India the birthplace of humane race n language .... India is the mother of tradition n culture . Grandmother of History n legend.. Great Grandmother of literature, Science, scripture n sculptures.... India is the heart of the world... When westerns didn't civilized ,when they lived in forest ,even didn't know how to eat! In that time we gave the vedas, puranas n upanishads ,literature, science, astronomy, economics, philosophy to the world's....plz came out of from the so-called colonialism mindset, only we (westrens) are civilised, only we are nlighly skilled, educated n professional.... Its actually 100% wrong.... Don't to be pretending we(western)are cool n civilized...
Loved this Conversation
Pingala acharya noted down the binary system 300bc. Hence aryabhatta by no stretch of the imagination, invented nought/zero nor the decimal system. The surya Siddhanta certainly calculated using the decimal system .
Tbh Greece was kid in front of india there was no comprising with india
0s and 1s should be renamed the indian numeric system
Fascinating discussion. Thank you.
he changed his color because india is rising economically
Joking that not being SA'd in school is "rather unflattering"? Yikes on bikes
Did you miss O'Brien's comment follow up about why such a dark humour would arise?
This is embarrassing asf. India's gdp share to world was 46% of world's gdp. Entire Europe combined together in comparison didn't even make up for 13%. (Rest was mostly carried by China)
Greeks isn't even ancient civilization. India and Egypt comparison is much more logical as they were first advanced settlements in human history. Indus valley or Saraswati valley civilization is at least as old as 6000 bce while Egyptian civilization is as old as 3500 bce. Greek isn't even in conversation.
Greece Rome all are Ancient Indias prototypes
*we teached lots of things to greek peoples.*
*NEVER MIND, WE DON'T WANT ANY RECOGNITION NOW.*
Both India and Africa were doing well and develing according to their own pace and customs. And then European came and everything went belly up for India and Africa.
I think he meant Bharat is Greece's ancient Greece.
😂😂greece is it really worthy
"India was the Ancient Greece of Asia",
I would say Greece was the Ancient India of Europe....
Wrong Greece is copy of India of ancient Europe.
No Greece was an ancient India of Europe
It's like saying Dad looks like the Son🙃
Greece was the India of Ancient Europe.
India was far ahead of greece in ancient world....
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So like LBC and this show with James O'Brian. ❤
India was the ancient Greece of Europe, only Older!!
There's not a single civilization either ancient or current, which don't know about india unless it leaves in complete isolation
That was a most satisfying interview - many thanks.
A more ridiculous title I have yet to see , yes and the squirrel is the ancestor of the elephant 😂😂😂😂
India is the ancient india of Asia