sunny sanyal is such a joke. He is an MA in economics. Published shit all in economics. And his hsitory is wikepedia ( Nepal Version). What a buffoon. The man has never been to an archive and does not knwo the basics for making a history argument. An RSS chaddi they giev him time to do this faltu speaking rather than attend office. I bet there are the paid BJP trolls here who have to sing his praise.
He's very knowledgeable across disciplines. No silo mentality . Exhaustive n expansive his breadth n depth of knowledge. Huge Respect. For Sanjeev Sanyal Ji
sunny sanyal is such a joke. He is an MA in economics. Published shit all in economics. And his hsitory is wikepedia ( Nepal Version). What a buffoon. The man has never been to an archive and does not knwo the basics for making a history argument. An RSS chaddi they giev him time to do this faltu speaking rather than attend office. I bet there are the paid BJP trolls here who have to sing his praise.
Peter's points are countered quite well by Sanjeev. But, the panel didn't even touch the topic of invasions and the destruction of monuments. That could've given the answer to the question of why isn't there a temple in India as big as Ankor Wat. Bringing invasions could've steered the discussion in a different direction altogether. Perhaps, that's why they didn't discuss it.
TYPICAL COWARD POLITICS AGAINST INDIA TILL DATE AT PLAY, THEY ALL PART OF, ESPECIALLY THAT NONE LESS THAN THE ILLUMINATI CABAL'S OWN BANK 🏦 ' THE DEUTCHE BANK'S ' TOP STRATEGIST, NOW ON LOAN AND VERY WELL PLACED DEEP IN THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT SMARTIE, BEING PART OF IT AS WELL! 😑😒 LOLS.
The first thing to note here is the belief in Hindu mythology that the Ocean is a resting place for gods and they shall never be disturbed. So one may not venture out into the oceans and incur their wrath and thus face fierce demons & monsters.1 Jan 2009
The notion was that crossing the ocean entailed the end of the reincarnation cycle, as the traveler was cut off from the regenerating waters of the Ganges. The Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that ``making voyages by sea'' is an offense which will cause pataniya, loss of caste.11 Sept 2019
Great port city of Tamralipta is today's Tamluk, inside mainland West Bengal today. In Bengali literature, lots of mention of trade voyage from Tamralipta can be found. Indian coastline is not static. The sedimentation brought by rivers are continuously adding new lands and moving the coast line away, even creating new islands.
Many are unaware that Indians have long adapted very intelligently to Topographical and Geographical as well as Tectonic changes to this Geography...Culturally.. Our Indigenous peoples across this entire region know extremely well how to mitigate these problems from the grassroots level ...Our Cultural Knowledge transcends all barriers of language diversity, societal and social strata and hierarchy .. ... etc We are the World's Most Living Visible Example of a Successfully Sustainable Civilisation and Culture
14:01 Recent genetic studies give an opinion that Sri Lanka was populated by the people of Western Coast of India. Sinhalese are more closely related to Marathas than Bengalis. Also, the Sinhala references to lion is very interesting. Lions did not exist in Eastern parts of India, while lions exist in Western India to this day. Geneticist Razib Khan had written a bit about this. Also, Sinhalese were not the first people on the island. Vedda people lived there already
@@umaneelakantan9327 Nope, there is no evidence to show the Asiatic Lion's range crossed Central India. It has always been restricted to that region. Unless there are some new findings in the future.
It's good to see our own Sanjeev is pushing these western historian otherwise in next 4 generation 'India' would be reduced to just Brahmin construct in mind of english speaking populous.. one thing that is always consistent with these 'imperialist' is they try to hit at the core of ours.. its funny their ancestor were living with leaves when ours were writing sacred texts.. it's our fault that we weren't able to regain our glory but these 'gora chamris' are the last one to tell me that who were..
The one about shells. Have all these been used uniformly as currency. Or could this be interpreted as shells found from waterbodies. I think this requires a bit of debate.
This 52:00 Peter guy says why east have influence from India but not in West Indian Ocean like Arab. Is he historian.? Islam override in this area after Indian influence and trades otherwise Iran and afghan had big Buddhist sculptures
Sanjeev references are spot on and the lack of understanding of cultural overlap between various indic traditions seems to be completely alien to William and Peter's foreigner lens...my goodness!
Depending on the kings talking on a certain religion the subjects also changed! Usually it happened in a generational manner but other times by invasion! If you find Roman coins in India does not denote that Romans frequented India more than Indians frequented Rome. Indians would have got their payment in Roman coins when they supplied the goods and brought the gold back home!
Wow. Would you imagine a time when we would look at the white man for legitimization while they would go largely unchallenged, and now comes a time finally where they tend to look so shallow and superficial as compared to the native brown historians oozing in confidence from their scholarly work of real gravitas. Bharat indeed has come a long way. Lest we forget this is only the beginning, prepare for some pushback as they start sweating down their colors.
Hindu / Hinduism / Hindutva / Dharmic et al is what is India. If you have to contextualise it, it’s like EU but starting about 3-4k years ago. The Western lens is about “territory” controlled. Dharma is “where people follow Dharma”. And “Dharma” isn’t “Religious”, it’s morals and codes.
Ramayana and Mahabharata are not myths as Mr Dalrymple suggests...they are in fact history....all the places and names of people still exist, though sometimes corrupted because of the influence of foreigners....
@@gargvanit well then this fits the definitiin of non christian.and myth in English. But it doesnt fit the definition of history in English. So you cannot use the word history.
@@gargvanit Dont make it about me. Its about the definition of history and the definition of myth. As for being colonized, you are talking in English on American platform following Christian calendar wearing western clothes. So colonization is not your problem. Your problem you are misusing the term history and when confronted making it about me. My mindset doesnt change the definition of history. But your mindset is changing the definition of history.
Thailand, Japan . And Even Korea... And earlier probably all across the globe before it got wiped out by invaders who proselytised the indigenous peoples there, their Shakas n Tribes ..by force.
Ao Science Journey ke Chale, Koi Proof hai, ya sirf hagna aata hai.. Gupta Period me to puri ramayan hi carve ki hai. Greek ke Vishnu Stambha lagvaya. Pusphamitra ne BC me 840000 tumhare BUddhist stupa thore. Norflox T.Z. khaoo, apne diarrhea ke liye.
Indeed Brahmins are blinded by their hegemony. Rationalism and Pragmatism cannot be expected from them,like the case of Iraq's Al faw port, India had first mover advantage but they let China take it due to their differences with Turkey to favour the failed IMEC to bootlick US and Xionists. Brahminism is threat not only to Indian democracy but also to our foreign policy. Even Bhutan don't listen to India today.
Ah the usual "everyone who disagree with me is anti-Hindu"... Who even are you to question him? He's a revered historian, you're just a random nobody in TH-cam comments
sunny sanyal is such a joke. He is an MA in economics. Published shit all in economics. And his hsitory is wikepedia ( Nepal Version). What a buffoon. The man has never been to an archive and does not knwo the basics for making a history argument. An RSS chaddi they giev him time to do this faltu speaking rather than attend office. I bet there are the paid BJP trolls here who have to sing his praise.
Sanjeev is trying to impart brahminical ideology to indias history…not very objective…Also goundinya(becomes a brahmin who are not supposed to travel across seas) is a nice bed time story…worst of it is his constant attempt to connect Mahabharatam(an epic novel unparalleled)to history, which falls short of comical too. One needs to be very careful in interpreting such discourses…for some reason sanjeev only knows kerala in south (also has brahminical reasons for his mention) there was no Kerala till 11th century AD. and on eastern coast he talks only about gangetic brahminical belt…never talks about kaveri poompatinam or koraki..until Peter talks about Cholas…He is not a historian with objectivity but econosts with an agenda taking history as a tool.
This Gora doesn’t seem to let go of his past and thought process. Bharat is a collection of hundreds villages with different languages and cultures. He can’t impose his values because his ancestors subdued 300 million people with 300 thousand. Bharat has not fought a war of conquest outside its borders. A lot his work imo will be in the dustbins of history. So in and through oppression we have lost much. He will never get that.
This 52:00 Peter guy says why east have influence from India but not in West Indian Ocean like Arab. Is he historian.? Islam override in this area after Indian influence and trades otherwise Iran and afghan had big Buddhist sculptures
Even though a historian, it was amazing to listen to Sanjeev' s extempore on the subject. Really enjoyed.
sunny sanyal is such a joke. He is an MA in economics. Published shit all in economics. And his hsitory is wikepedia ( Nepal Version). What a buffoon. The man has never been to an archive and does not knwo the basics for making a history argument. An RSS chaddi they giev him time to do this faltu speaking rather than attend office. I bet there are the paid BJP trolls here who have to sing his praise.
Amazing to watch a Great Economist speaking so fluently on History! Great!
He's very knowledgeable across disciplines. No silo mentality . Exhaustive n expansive his breadth n depth of knowledge. Huge Respect. For Sanjeev Sanyal Ji
Sanjeev is amazing in this narration of early Indian maritime history 👏
sunny sanyal is such a joke. He is an MA in economics. Published shit all in economics. And his hsitory is wikepedia ( Nepal Version). What a buffoon. The man has never been to an archive and does not knwo the basics for making a history argument. An RSS chaddi they giev him time to do this faltu speaking rather than attend office. I bet there are the paid BJP trolls here who have to sing his praise.
That point about "Bali Jatra" is true. It is celebrated even today in Cuttack.
Peter's points are countered quite well by Sanjeev. But, the panel didn't even touch the topic of invasions and the destruction of monuments. That could've given the answer to the question of why isn't there a temple in India as big as Ankor Wat. Bringing invasions could've steered the discussion in a different direction altogether. Perhaps, that's why they didn't discuss it.
TYPICAL COWARD POLITICS AGAINST INDIA TILL DATE AT PLAY, THEY ALL PART OF, ESPECIALLY THAT NONE LESS THAN THE ILLUMINATI CABAL'S OWN BANK 🏦 ' THE DEUTCHE BANK'S ' TOP STRATEGIST, NOW ON LOAN AND VERY WELL PLACED DEEP IN THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT SMARTIE, BEING PART OF IT AS WELL! 😑😒 LOLS.
I thought it is mainly invasions from central Asia which mostly destroyed Hindu and zboudha temples.
The first thing to note here is the belief in Hindu mythology that the Ocean is a resting place for gods and they shall never be disturbed. So one may not venture out into the oceans and incur their wrath and thus face fierce demons & monsters.1 Jan 2009
The notion was that crossing the ocean entailed the end of the reincarnation cycle, as the traveler was cut off from the regenerating waters of the Ganges. The Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that ``making voyages by sea'' is an offense which will cause pataniya, loss of caste.11 Sept 2019
They become Dalits, the untouchable... So no hindus will cross any seas.
Great port city of Tamralipta is today's Tamluk, inside mainland West Bengal today. In Bengali literature, lots of mention of trade voyage from Tamralipta can be found. Indian coastline is not static. The sedimentation brought by rivers are continuously adding new lands and moving the coast line away, even creating new islands.
Similarly Port Poompuhar in TamilNadu was doing 10000 years of sea trade before it went in to the sea after tsunami.
Sanjeev, William and Peter on the same stage !!!
But in Maldives 😢 which has got to be boycotted
@@literarymusings8886these things are planned and organised many months in advance
@@yj9032 why don't anti national urban naxals like you shift to Pakistan?
William seems to keep interrupting the speakers flow.
Enlightening conversations
Such insightful discussion ✨️🌟 appreciate the manner in which William carries this conversation 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
Prof Sanyal is so correct.
45:02 Peter being sneaky and poking Sanjeev by making William repeat the word ‘myth’. 🤣🤣
He is a Xian. Calls other religions as myth but stories off Bible he considers as settled facts.
Many are unaware that Indians have long adapted very intelligently to Topographical and Geographical as well as Tectonic changes to this Geography...Culturally.. Our Indigenous peoples across this entire region know extremely well how to mitigate these problems from the grassroots level ...Our Cultural Knowledge transcends all barriers of language diversity, societal and social strata and hierarchy .. ... etc
We are the World's Most Living Visible Example of a Successfully Sustainable Civilisation and Culture
At some points, it felt that Peter was not confident in his facts but had to defend them anyway since he wrote a book on them😂😂
Huge respect for Sanjeev Sanyal
Probably d best video out of jaipur lit fest ever
Oh...great session 🎉
What a fascinating conversation:)!! ❤
14:01 Recent genetic studies give an opinion that Sri Lanka was populated by the people of Western Coast of India. Sinhalese are more closely related to Marathas than Bengalis. Also, the Sinhala references to lion is very interesting. Lions did not exist in Eastern parts of India, while lions exist in Western India to this day.
Geneticist Razib Khan had written a bit about this. Also, Sinhalese were not the first people on the island. Vedda people lived there already
I think Lions existed all across the Indian Subcontinent ..except till very recent times.
@@umaneelakantan9327 Nope, there is no evidence to show the Asiatic Lion's range crossed Central India. It has always been restricted to that region.
Unless there are some new findings in the future.
Singapore is a city named after a Lion seen there..
Truly amazing.
This Dalrymple fellow is the typical western indologist, don't get excited hearing him, read him to know the reality.
Peters book was actually written by chat gtp
Even today land route trade pales in comparison with maritime trade
I think too much was brushed over in regards the pushing back and loss of, what were coastal cities
Awesome 👍
It's good to see our own Sanjeev is pushing these western historian otherwise in next 4 generation 'India' would be reduced to just Brahmin construct in mind of english speaking populous.. one thing that is always consistent with these 'imperialist' is they try to hit at the core of ours.. its funny their ancestor were living with leaves when ours were writing sacred texts.. it's our fault that we weren't able to regain our glory but these 'gora chamris' are the last one to tell me that who were..
What is stopping you?
@@rakhimukerji7937 What is stopping you from landing on the moon?
The one about shells. Have all these been used uniformly as currency. Or could this be interpreted as shells found from waterbodies. I think this requires a bit of debate.
Someone please introduce PowerPoint to these educators, so they can visually explain using maps side by side 😂😂. Just kidding, great talk, love it.
This 52:00 Peter guy says why east have influence from India but not in West Indian Ocean like Arab.
Is he historian.?
Islam override in this area after Indian influence and trades otherwise Iran and afghan had big Buddhist sculptures
Mungo Man DNA the earliest human evidence 19:40 in Australia was dated at 42,000 years. Sanjeev said the earliest in Australia was only 12,000 years.
It's interesting how Sanjay has toned down infront of William. Knowing he can't match him he decides to remain calm.
Sanjeev can eat William for lunch. He was just being polite
Great
Sanjeev references are spot on and the lack of understanding of cultural overlap between various indic traditions seems to be completely alien to William and Peter's foreigner lens...my goodness!
They are using Abrahamic lens to see Indic systems
Depending on the kings talking on a certain religion the subjects also changed! Usually it happened in a generational manner but other times by invasion! If you find Roman coins in India does not denote that Romans frequented India more than Indians frequented Rome. Indians would have got their payment in Roman coins when they supplied the goods and brought the gold back home!
From the western people they want conclusion. There is no conclusion to the past, only opinion.
45:12 William had to jump in to save Peter's misguided point lol
Time has come to change the view of Ramayana and Mahabharata being a ‘myth’ and see it as ‘history’! Europeans can’t stomach the idea!
Wow. Would you imagine a time when we would look at the white man for legitimization while they would go largely unchallenged, and now comes a time finally where they tend to look so shallow and superficial as compared to the native brown historians oozing in confidence from their scholarly work of real gravitas. Bharat indeed has come a long way. Lest we forget this is only the beginning, prepare for some pushback as they start sweating down their colors.
Whites come across as dudes with feet of clay. Easily demolished by Indians
Hindu / Hinduism / Hindutva / Dharmic et al is what is India. If you have to contextualise it, it’s like EU but starting about 3-4k years ago. The Western lens is about “territory” controlled. Dharma is “where people follow Dharma”. And “Dharma” isn’t “Religious”, it’s morals and codes.
Its more like purpose.
@@lifeofrai8742 Depends on what the purpose is.
We are like America We hope people can settle their own problems
Like America 😂😂😂
Like America We don't want to be the global police
People like William Darlymple don't deserve any Indology platforms, period.
Why?He is a great scholar.
People like you don't deserve any platform, period.
Ramayana and Mahabharata are not myths as Mr Dalrymple suggests...they are in fact history....all the places and names of people still exist, though sometimes corrupted because of the influence of foreigners....
Not a great counter.
Spiderman lived in New York City, that doesn't mean Marvel Comics is based on real life.
Thats not logical. If you have mythical characters and magic powers then its a myth. Location doesnt matter.
@@gargvanit well then this fits the definitiin of non christian.and myth in English. But it doesnt fit the definition of history in English. So you cannot use the word history.
@@gargvanit Dont make it about me. Its about the definition of history and the definition of myth. As for being colonized, you are talking in English on American platform following Christian calendar wearing western clothes. So colonization is not your problem. Your problem you are misusing the term history and when confronted making it about me. My mindset doesnt change the definition of history. But your mindset is changing the definition of history.
It is a total myth.. Nobody can name the king of Bharath.. No King No such empire
Thailand, Japan . And Even Korea... And earlier probably all across the globe before it got wiped out by invaders who proselytised the indigenous peoples there, their Shakas n Tribes ..by force.
Peter F came across as pro-China
डैलरिंपल is bloody pimp.
Zheng He was not Mongol. Common Sanjeev
Small audience, hardly any lndian.
We don't want to get involved we have enough problems
1:05:01 is this guy a historian or a cia plant?
William Dalrymple is a snake
MR SANYAL SHOULD GO TO JAIPUR DIALOGUES INSTEAD OF GOING TO THESE TWO CHARLATANS OF JLF 😂😂😂
Sanjeev ji tried to put brahminical theory in fore. All puranas written much later part of 13rd or 14 th century
Ao Science Journey ke Chale, Koi Proof hai, ya sirf hagna aata hai.. Gupta Period me to puri ramayan hi carve ki hai.
Greek ke Vishnu Stambha lagvaya.
Pusphamitra ne BC me 840000 tumhare BUddhist stupa thore.
Norflox T.Z. khaoo, apne diarrhea ke liye.
Indeed Brahmins are blinded by their hegemony. Rationalism and Pragmatism cannot be expected from them,like the case of Iraq's Al faw port, India had first mover advantage but they let China take it due to their differences with Turkey to favour the failed IMEC to bootlick US and Xionists. Brahminism is threat not only to Indian democracy but also to our foreign policy. Even Bhutan don't listen to India today.
Hope you detox your mind of the colonial drudgery. Get well soon.
Puranas talk of topics - the Vishnu avatars, Shiva, pilgrimages, which were much older than Buddhism
Decolonize your mind
Daryl is wrong and he is anti-hindu 😅. Sanjeev is not good in counter argumentative narratives.
Facts don't care about your feelings
@@yj9032 what facts? All doctored ones and idiots like you believe in it. Bloody jokers 😅
@@yj9032FIRST OF ALL WHO ARE U YO JUDGE IT IS FACTS??
@@RONAKkedia-px8cw Exactly they are not facts but manufactured evidence incidents with heap upon heap of manufactored WESTERN evidence
Ah the usual "everyone who disagree with me is anti-Hindu"... Who even are you to question him? He's a revered historian, you're just a random nobody in TH-cam comments
sunny sanyal is such a joke. He is an MA in economics. Published shit all in economics. And his hsitory is wikepedia ( Nepal Version). What a buffoon. The man has never been to an archive and does not knwo the basics for making a history argument. An RSS chaddi they giev him time to do this faltu speaking rather than attend office. I bet there are the paid BJP trolls here who have to sing his praise.
Nothing "Pre Historic" about Indian Culture.
Everything Historic. From Millennia..
These two really need to spend 5 minutes learning how to pronounce pinyin
the popular trinity historians on stage
William is not a historian!
Sanjeev is trying to impart brahminical ideology to indias history…not very objective…Also goundinya(becomes a brahmin who are not supposed to travel across seas) is a nice bed time story…worst of it is his constant attempt to connect Mahabharatam(an epic novel unparalleled)to history, which falls short of comical too. One needs to be very careful in interpreting such discourses…for some reason sanjeev only knows kerala in south (also has brahminical reasons for his mention) there was no Kerala till 11th century AD. and on eastern coast he talks only about gangetic brahminical belt…never talks about kaveri poompatinam or koraki..until Peter talks about Cholas…He is not a historian with objectivity but econosts with an agenda taking history as a tool.
Sanyal is a bureaucrat and economist who is diving into his story, somewhat flaky on history unless some one in his party is digging up details
Sanjeev actually ate both the whites for lunch
Sanjeev screwed them both
This Gora doesn’t seem to let go of his past and thought process. Bharat is a collection of hundreds villages with different languages and cultures. He can’t impose his values because his ancestors subdued 300 million people with 300 thousand. Bharat has not fought a war of conquest outside its borders. A lot his work imo will be in the dustbins of history. So in and through oppression we have lost much. He will never get that.
This 52:00 Peter guy says why east have influence from India but not in West Indian Ocean like Arab.
Is he historian.?
Islam override in this area after Indian influence and trades otherwise Iran and afghan had big Buddhist sculptures
He is sounding very lightweight