I have studied Lizzie Borden since I was a child. I am now 56 years old. I am impressed with the accuracy of this video (well, the coughing was a bit much). My opinion, Lizzie did not do it. She knew who did, but she did not commit the murders.
My family has always believed that Emma Borden, John Morse and Bridget Sullivan all had a part to play in the murders of Andrew Borden and his wife As for lizzie’s involvement, we have no doubt she knew, but she did not commit the crime She took the fall, something Emma was not anticipating, Emma did everything she could to keep Lizzie from facing the Gallows
I would’ve loved to hear the real Lizzy Borden speak!! I am so fascinated by her, this film makes me imagine how she was. The lady in the film kinda looks like her!!
@Candace S. I wonder if you have read “The History and Haunting of Lizzie Borden”. It is an extremely thorough, well-written book and is full of photos.
The greatest unsolved American murder mystery ever. But she certainly did it - and she definitely had help. Her uncle, who memorized the number of the buses he took that day along with vivid descriptions of passengers as though he expected to be drilled about it; the maid who was "close" with Lizzie and hated the Borderns. The disappearance of a bloody dress she had to be wearing, the broken axe head found in basement was proven not to be the murder weapon for either of them. Where did the murder weapon go. She sent her sister away for weeks who almost never left the house at any time for any reason. The execution of this double homicide was genius.
She used the flat iron she'd been ironing her handkerchiefs with. The large zig zag wound ( autopsy photo is online) on Abbys head looks flat iron shaped. I noticed all the other wounds are v v small, v v short in length & deep like a pointed object was used, whereas you'd expect hatchet wounds to be longer & shaped like slits. Maybe she used a two handed grip with the point of the flat iron faced down to the head... They came in different sizes & weighed anything between 3-9pounds. The ones for sleeves ( or hankies?) are long thin & wickedly pointed ... Lizzie wore her wipeable 'water gossamer', a type of foldable lightweight raincoat made of waterproofed cotton . Abby also had a water gossamer coat . Similar rainhoods were also made for the hair...
Lizzie,her sister and uncle were co conspiritors( i think the uncle procured the assassin's) ,the maid was in on it also and got paid off and moved away soon after . I still am not convinced lizzie actually committed the murders but it is possible. More likely the murderers were hired to enter the residence and perform the deed and leave . This would explain the lack of blood evidence on lizzie and the weapon never being found. She did supposedly burn a dress( i think due to her cleaning evidence,such as bloody foot and finger prints) but imagine how blood soaked it must have been after the 2nd multiple set of hatchet blows.( if she did kill them herself) Its hard to concieve her walking upstairs and down without leaving copious amounts of blood and then have time to clean it up and then bath / redress and dispose of the weapon just in time to compose herself from such a horrific act and field questions from neighbors and police. I think she really did go into the shed and wait for the killers to do the job and leave...
too many participants in your theory to keep all those traps shut. Lizzie murdered them both alone. The sister knew the truth because she knew the two victims and had no loss of love and only one other than lizzie to benefit from murders. Follow the money
@@michaelplummer395 maybe so but i cant clock the time issue. Its a stretch to have lizzie perform all the neccessary acts alone. But your right if one applies occams razor!
And they hired someone from his work, I think, because Andrew came home early because he was feeling sick and no one could have predicted that he would leave work when he did, except someone at his work. They would know. They definitely hired someone. It explains everything and makes sense. Also Lizzie was 5'3. No way she had strength to do all that and had the angle to hit top of Abbeys head like the wounds show. But they were all in on it, no question. They all knew. And I think Lizzie put coat under head of father after it happened because she still cared for him. Also, the killer was blackmailed in some way. Maybe they said they would do something to them if they did not do it because of the way they went overboard. It was an amature job that was overdone for some reason. Fear? Inexperience?
@@richardedenfield5167 yes I do believe you are right about Lizzie was not strong enough to do those kinds of murders. It had to be someone much taller and stronger than an ordinary woman.
What if... she didn't kill her father and Mrs Borden? What a tragedy. It's really not enough to ask "if not Lizzie, then who could it have been?" I do wish there were a way to know the person better than the media image.
She did kill them but she is not a psychopath but a woman who was trapped by society's rigid mores. Her father held the purse strings and that was another problem. I can understand how a an intelligent woman would resort to murder to be free of the constraints
creolelady182- you don’t know that she killed them though, there was two more people present in the home, specifically Lizzies uncle I believe he was, and Mrs.birden was found in the room he was staying which begs the question were they all in on it, or just him, or just the maid?
That's a big point. My though was more like: how horrifying her life must have been if she was innocent of the crime, not just "not guilty". What if someone else did it out of rage? It really can't be said of her that she murdered them if the evidence never tied her to the murders. It's not a question of "it was her because- who else could it be". That's never criteria.
@@infinitysims7395 idiot, what would be their motive and who is going to wait around 1.5 hours to kill the old man when Abby was killed earlier. Are you mad?
I have read the actual transcripts of the trial. Studied the house plans. Read and watched everything I found on this case. I believe this crime was not one person acting alone. Think about it. Hour and a half between murders. Maggie was there. The maid cleaning windows and didn’t hear or see anything. Yes she laid down to take a short nap. She had to know. The uncle suddenly shows up for a visit while Emma decides to visit a friend. A son that appears wanting money from his father Andrew, the son who worked cutting down trees. Andrew was notorious for evicting people from his property. He also made people put up their homes and land when they lost a loved one and couldn’t afford the expense of his mortuary services. I believe Lizzie knew but was just part of the murders.
@@MountainsRCallingMe Andrew had a illegitimate son. His name was William Borden and was born while Andrew was married to his first wife. Williams mother was Andrews brothers wife. Andrews sister in law. Andrew Borden had paid him some money and it came out that William had ask for more. This is rarely mentioned but I think it’s something in today’s courts would be a big deal.
@@sarah4601 I never said the transcripts were fake. I said there is no illegitimate son, named William Borden. Not that was known then or now. "Everyone" knew the witches in Salem needed to die. Does that make hanging innocent people O.K.? Much of what everyone "knows" about this case is fabricated. There was a good reason why Lizzie was aquitted. THERE WASN'T ANY EVIDENCE. We wouldn't even be discussing this case if she went to trial and Jennings mounted a defense.
@@mistervacation23 If it had been an actual vintage film rather than digitally recreated, the scratchy film would also have most likely had a soundtrack with a lot of surface noise, may have been jumpy partly because of splicing, a bit blurry and any other deterioration Nitrate stock this old would have had.
🎶🎶🎶Um... maybe a special thanks to Bessie Smith 🎶🎶🎶 for the music ? Fantastic recreation, I used to walk by Maplecroft on the way to work back in the early 80's
Is there any way to add closed captions to this video for those who are hard-of-hearing like me? The audio, to me, is poor quality and really hard to hear. I have the volume turned all the way up. 😢
Is there any way to hear her actual voice? I know films were silent, but Edison had made a recording device to record songs and people's voices. One could hope, right? 😅
Great premise for a short film. The young reporter is wonderful, the actress playing Lizzie isnt nearly interesting and nuanced enough. But overall it's well done. And Lizzie killed her father and stepmother. Without a doubt.
I read a book years ago and it explained how the half brother did it,I guess they were in cahoots together.probably she promised him some of her inheritance
THis is presumably a fictitioswo person play, or perhaps a dramatization of an interview that actually took place, based on ta column written by s trporter or his notes. It could not be a filmmm of a real interview, because there is no cameraman visible or mentioned, and in any case coordination of sound track with film had not been perfected in 1927, The podcaster should have clarified this point for us.
If I were innocent of the murders I would want to clear my name and pay someone to search for the real killer or killers. Lizzy wanted everyone to forget what had happened. Did she mourn afterwards?. No she went mansion shopping. When you are innocent you seek the truth. But if you are guilty you realize that a serious investigation can lead back to you. Right o.j.!?..
I very much doubt the real Lizzie sounded anything like this actress. She would have sounded very much like my dear grandmother who was born in Fall River in 1902 and who spoke with very soft Rs (sounding a lot lot Arline Francis on the old “What’s My Line”). Also, I don’t believe Lizzie had any respiratory issues that r/t her death so all that theatrical coughing probably isn’t realistic. She, apparently, died of complications from a surgical procedure.
Pretty sure Lizzie wouldn’t sound at all like this actress. She would’ve sounded like my grandmother, who was born and lived in FR, with very soft Rs, etc. Also, I don’t think Lizzie had any kind of respiratory condition r/t her death.
The volume could be higher. Please adjust. Also, as much as I enjoyed this, I have to wonder if this is just a speculation and not an actual account from Lizzie. Somethings tells she wouldn't give all this info. to a reporter (and most of it was already known anyway).
Oh please!! Lizzie did it. She acted alone! Abby had to go first. This way, Lizzie ensured that zero would go to Abbey Borden. Had Mr. Borden died first, his earthly assets would be entitled to his second wife (and her family) not Emma and Lizzie. The uncle, Emma, and Bridget were in on it, plus Lizzie? Not only NOT so, but you also ask us to believe that FOUR people were in on this, and no one spoke for decades? Lizzie was smart enough to plan (she had just moved back within four days.) Perfectly planned and executed, pardon the pun. Today? A week trial, then lethal injection. The CSI materials today? They would have known within hours it was Lizzie. Oh! This is MA! No executions, still. Di/Boston, MA/USA
@@cassielong6617 Cassie, did you read me? I wrote this as Lizzie knew this: If the father died first, ALL he had would go to Abby and her family whether she was dead or not. Lizzie knew what she was doing. The stomach contents prove the TOD. Abbey had to die first or no inheritance.
@@dianedo1234 if Lizzie came from outside and saw her father dead on the couch why would she call the maid and say someone killed her father? Explain that to me
@@dianedo1234that is not how the laws of inheritance worked in 1892. If Andrew died first without a will, then 1/3 of his estate would go to his wife, the remaining 2/3 would go to his surviving children, that was the law of Massachusetts at that time. Forensics was in its infancy at the time of the murder, so now we have to assume Lizzie had found and studied the medical literature on stomach contents being used to determine time of death. Yes, if I found a loved of mine in the condition Mr Borden was in, damn right I'm going to call for another person I know is in the house, then I'd call the police from my cell phone, an option they didn't have back then.
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I have studied Lizzie Borden since I was a child. I am now 56 years old. I am impressed with the accuracy of this video (well, the coughing was a bit much). My opinion, Lizzie did not do it. She knew who did, but she did not commit the murders.
She was sick
My family has always believed that Emma Borden, John Morse and Bridget Sullivan all had a part to play in the murders of Andrew Borden and his wife
As for lizzie’s involvement, we have no doubt she knew, but she did not commit the crime
She took the fall, something Emma was not anticipating, Emma did everything she could to keep Lizzie from facing the Gallows
I would’ve loved to hear the real Lizzy Borden speak!! I am so fascinated by her, this film makes me imagine how she was. The lady in the film kinda looks like her!!
Very much so!
@Candace S.
I wonder if you have read “The History and Haunting of Lizzie Borden”. It is an extremely thorough, well-written book and is full of photos.
@@EYE_GOTCHA I will definitely look for it thank you!!
The greatest unsolved American murder mystery ever. But she certainly did it - and she definitely had help. Her uncle, who memorized the number of the buses he took that day along with vivid descriptions of passengers as though he expected to be drilled about it; the maid who was "close" with Lizzie and hated the Borderns. The disappearance of a bloody dress she had to be wearing, the broken axe head found in basement was proven not to be the murder weapon for either of them. Where did the murder weapon go. She sent her sister away for weeks who almost never left the house at any time for any reason. The execution of this double homicide was genius.
Ms. Grippo, how do you know Bridget Sullivan hated the Bordens?
Ms. Grippo, how do you know Bridget Sullivan hated the Bordens?
She used the flat iron she'd been ironing her handkerchiefs with. The large zig zag wound ( autopsy photo is online) on Abbys head looks flat iron shaped. I noticed all the other wounds are v v small, v v short in length & deep like a pointed object was used, whereas you'd expect hatchet wounds to be longer & shaped like slits. Maybe she used a two handed grip with the point of the flat iron faced down to the head... They came in different sizes & weighed anything between 3-9pounds. The ones for sleeves ( or hankies?) are long thin & wickedly pointed ... Lizzie wore her wipeable 'water gossamer', a type of foldable lightweight raincoat made of waterproofed cotton . Abby also had a water gossamer coat . Similar rainhoods were also made for the hair...
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Lizzie,her sister and uncle were co conspiritors( i think the uncle procured the assassin's) ,the maid was in on it also and got paid off and moved away soon after . I still am not convinced lizzie actually committed the murders but it is possible. More likely the murderers were hired to enter the residence and perform the deed and leave . This would explain the lack of blood evidence on lizzie and the weapon never being found. She did supposedly burn a dress( i think due to her cleaning evidence,such as bloody foot and finger prints) but imagine how blood soaked it must have been after the 2nd multiple set of hatchet blows.( if she did kill them herself) Its hard to concieve her walking upstairs and down without leaving copious amounts of blood and then have time to clean it up and then bath / redress and dispose of the weapon just in time to compose herself from such a horrific act and field questions from neighbors and police. I think she really did go into the shed and wait for the killers to do the job and leave...
too many participants in your theory to keep all those traps shut. Lizzie murdered them both alone. The sister knew the truth because she knew the two victims and had no loss of love and only one other than lizzie to benefit from murders. Follow the money
@@michaelplummer395 maybe so but i cant clock the time issue. Its a stretch to have lizzie perform all the neccessary acts alone. But your right if one applies occams razor!
And they hired someone from his work, I think, because Andrew came home early because he was feeling sick and no one could have predicted that he would leave work when he did, except someone at his work. They would know. They definitely hired someone. It explains everything and makes sense. Also Lizzie was 5'3. No way she had strength to do all that and had the angle to hit top of Abbeys head like the wounds show. But they were all in on it, no question. They all knew. And I think Lizzie put coat under head of father after it happened because she still cared for him. Also, the killer was blackmailed in some way. Maybe they said they would do something to them if they did not do it because of the way they went overboard. It was an amature job that was overdone for some reason. Fear? Inexperience?
I dont think that century had found finger print detector .was it
@@richardedenfield5167 yes I do believe you are right about Lizzie was not strong enough to do those kinds of murders. It had to be someone much taller and stronger than an ordinary woman.
That had more insight then most so called historians views
Thanks 😊
What if... she didn't kill her father and Mrs Borden? What a tragedy. It's really not enough to ask "if not Lizzie, then who could it have been?" I do wish there were a way to know the person better than the media image.
She did kill them but she is not a psychopath but a woman who was trapped by society's rigid mores. Her father held the purse strings and that was another problem. I can understand how a an intelligent woman would resort to murder to be free of the constraints
creolelady182- you don’t know that she killed them though, there was two more people present in the home, specifically Lizzies uncle I believe he was, and Mrs.birden was found in the room he was staying which begs the question were they all in on it, or just him, or just the maid?
That's a big point. My though was more like: how horrifying her life must have been if she was innocent of the crime, not just "not guilty". What if someone else did it out of rage? It really can't be said of her that she murdered them if the evidence never tied her to the murders. It's not a question of "it was her because- who else could it be". That's never criteria.
@@infinitysims7395 idiot, what would be their motive and who is going to wait around 1.5 hours to kill the old man when Abby was killed earlier. Are you mad?
@@creolelady182 You should be arrested.
I have read the actual transcripts of the trial. Studied the house plans. Read and watched everything I found on this case. I believe this crime was not one person acting alone. Think about it. Hour and a half between murders. Maggie was there. The maid cleaning windows and didn’t hear or see anything. Yes she laid down to take a short nap. She had to know. The uncle suddenly shows up for a visit while Emma decides to visit a friend. A son that appears wanting money from his father Andrew, the son who worked cutting down trees. Andrew was notorious for evicting people from his property. He also made people put up their homes and land when they lost a loved one and couldn’t afford the expense of his mortuary services. I believe Lizzie knew but was just part of the murders.
I’ve never heard of the son. Was this guy legit?
@@MountainsRCallingMe Andrew had a illegitimate son. His name was William Borden and was born while Andrew was married to his first wife. Williams mother was Andrews brothers wife. Andrews sister in law. Andrew Borden had paid him some money and it came out that William had ask for more. This is rarely mentioned but I think it’s something in today’s courts would be a big deal.
The whole illegitimate son thing is a rumor. Like much about what is "known" about Lizzie Borden.
@@johndoe-wv3nu Can you prove the transcripts from the trial aren’t real? What do you know that is different from what everyone else says.
@@sarah4601 I never said the transcripts were fake. I said there is no illegitimate son, named William Borden. Not that was known then or now.
"Everyone" knew the witches in Salem needed to die. Does that make hanging innocent people O.K.? Much of what everyone "knows" about this case is fabricated. There was a good reason why Lizzie was aquitted. THERE WASN'T ANY EVIDENCE. We wouldn't even be discussing this case if she went to trial and Jennings mounted a defense.
Well done! But the volume was a little too low.
This was very enjoyable. The sound quality isn’t great , but I enjoyed it. Thank you for posting
Tbh the poor sound quality just makes it seem more real, like this was really filmed back then.
A bad joke nice Tape Recorder though .
Great film! 😊 I like that you were able to showcase the infamous Maplecroft staircase. Also it reminds me of the photo of Lizzie from 1927!
Man, I thought this was actual audio of her. I mean I know they I have the ability at that time. I didn't know it was fake.
I did I did tell from the very get-go
@@mistervacation23 If it had been an actual vintage film rather than digitally recreated, the scratchy film would also have most likely had a soundtrack with a lot of surface noise, may have been jumpy partly because of splicing, a bit blurry and any other deterioration Nitrate stock this old would have had.
Duhh.. if this had been real their voices wouldn't be so clear..
The man's acting is very good and believable.
Nicely done 😊
Any journalist in Fall River would have known Lizzie lived in that house. Even as fiction it doesn’t make sense.
Well done! Very in character. Enjoyed very much!
🎶🎶🎶Um... maybe a special thanks to Bessie Smith 🎶🎶🎶 for the music ? Fantastic recreation, I used to walk by Maplecroft on the way to work back in the early 80's
That alone is so cool.
Well done.
The reporter was good, but the actress portaying Borden was so bad i couldn't watch. Too bad as it was a great idea.
It wasn't her y'all it was moore lizzie's uncle
Was this the film I've heard alot about that was filmed at maplecroft???
Laurie Faith Prescott yes it was filmed on location at the Maplecroft residence
Laurie Faith Prescott Maplecroft is currently for sale.
@@ekaterinabalderdash1274 i heard. Good luck to anyone who buys it. I'd love to visit
Yup
Awesome 👌
Very interesting 🤔
Wow I would of been shit scared
Is there any way to add closed captions to this video for those who are hard-of-hearing like me? The audio, to me, is poor quality and really hard to hear. I have the volume turned all the way up. 😢
Misleading
Is there any way to hear her actual voice? I know films were silent, but Edison had made a recording device to record songs and people's voices. One could hope, right? 😅
Fake🙄, but still it's enjoyable to watch. If only it was closed captioned for the deaf though😒
YES!! I couldn't agree with you more!!! I'm hard-of-hearing, and closed captions would have been so nice!!
Does anyone know if Nance O'Neil ever gave an interview concerning lizzie ?
Great premise for a short film.
The young reporter is wonderful, the actress playing Lizzie isnt nearly interesting and nuanced enough.
But overall it's well done.
And Lizzie killed her father and stepmother.
Without a doubt.
I agree. The actress's performance was a bit wooden.
I read a book years ago and it explained how the half brother did it,I guess they were in cahoots together.probably she promised him some of her inheritance
THis is presumably a fictitioswo person play, or perhaps a dramatization of an interview that actually took place, based on ta column written by s trporter or his notes. It could not be a filmmm of a real interview, because there is no cameraman visible or mentioned, and in any case coordination of sound track with film had not been perfected in 1927, The podcaster should have clarified this point for us.
If I were innocent of the murders I would want to clear my name and pay someone to search for the real killer or killers. Lizzy wanted everyone to forget what had happened. Did she mourn afterwards?. No she went mansion shopping. When you are innocent you seek the truth. But if you are guilty you realize that a serious investigation can lead back to you. Right o.j.!?..
And now he's no more. This is when all of the story is coming out! 😅
The murders weren’t alleged.
Interesting but did this really take place, word for word?
No this is just a short film, this is fiction, this never happened.
I very much doubt the real Lizzie sounded anything like this actress. She would have sounded very much like my dear grandmother who was born in Fall River in 1902 and who spoke with very soft Rs (sounding a lot lot Arline Francis on the old “What’s My Line”). Also, I don’t believe Lizzie had any respiratory issues that r/t her death so all that theatrical coughing probably isn’t realistic. She, apparently, died of complications from a surgical procedure.
Yeah, I don't like her voice and acting.
She had several surgeries and died of heart failure so breathing issues would have been pronounced
Pretty sure Lizzie wouldn’t sound at all like this actress. She would’ve sounded like my grandmother, who was born and lived in FR, with very soft Rs, etc. Also, I don’t think Lizzie had any kind of respiratory condition r/t her death.
The volume could be higher. Please adjust. Also, as much as I enjoyed this, I have to wonder if this is just a speculation and not an actual account from Lizzie. Somethings tells she wouldn't give all this info. to a reporter (and most of it was already known anyway).
This is basically a death bed confession if you ask me.
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Oh please!! Lizzie did it. She acted alone! Abby had to go first. This way, Lizzie ensured that zero would go to Abbey Borden. Had Mr. Borden died first, his earthly assets would be entitled to his second wife (and her family) not Emma and Lizzie. The uncle, Emma, and Bridget were in on it, plus Lizzie? Not only NOT so, but you also ask us to believe that FOUR people were in on this, and no one spoke for decades? Lizzie was smart enough to plan (she had just moved back within four days.) Perfectly planned and executed, pardon the pun. Today? A week trial, then lethal injection. The CSI materials today? They would have known within hours it was Lizzie. Oh! This is MA! No executions, still. Di/Boston, MA/USA
I think Lizzie killed her father first then went upstairs to kill her step mom.
@@cassielong6617 Cassie, did you read me? I wrote this as Lizzie knew this: If the father died first, ALL he had would go to Abby and her family whether she was dead or not. Lizzie knew what she was doing. The stomach contents prove the TOD. Abbey had to die first or no inheritance.
@@dianedo1234 if Lizzie came from outside and saw her father dead on the couch why would she call the maid and say someone killed her father? Explain that to me
@@dianedo1234that is not how the laws of inheritance worked in 1892. If Andrew died first without a will, then 1/3 of his estate would go to his wife, the remaining 2/3 would go to his surviving children, that was the law of Massachusetts at that time. Forensics was in its infancy at the time of the murder, so now we have to assume Lizzie had found and studied the medical literature on stomach contents being used to determine time of death. Yes, if I found a loved of mine in the condition Mr Borden was in, damn right I'm going to call for another person I know is in the house, then I'd call the police from my cell phone, an option they didn't have back then.
no audio?
#MARAINEY
Is this really her voice ??
No.
Yes it is 🤣🤣
@@nadiazahroon6573 no
@@nadiazahroon6573 they did not have audio recorders back then.
@@cassielong6617Yes, they did. In 1877, Edison invented a device to record on tin-foil coated cylinders. Google it if you don't believe me.
It's this the real lizzy borden?
No this is not the real Lizzie Borden.
No. It's an actress
i find it hard to believe lizzie borden voice deceitful to me
It wasn’t her voice, they didn’t have recorders back then.. the voice you hear is by an actor
This is terrible.
Boy is that some bad acting
The man's is OK. the ladies. . .not so much.
This should be a full length movie on a way
Terrible
This video is fake