Those idiots caused so much damage to that historical site . I cannot believe the city allowed those new owners to do everything they did . In their great wisdom they paved the back yard and tore down the barn ? UNBELIEVABLE !
The original barn was torn down decades ago. A replica barn was built by Donald Woods around 2006 and the back yard paved for a parking lot for the B&B. Yes, many of us wish the house and grounds were restored to 1892 entirely and a real house museum would be open to the public about the famous case. The city has never shown much interest in this.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts Yes, there is so much more to this property than making money as a B&B . It is a piece of American history that speaks about so many facets of the period. even besides the unsolved horrible crime.
@@Ralphie5023 modern designers have a lot to answer for. Destroying beautiful old homes and replacing them with ugly brick buildings like across the road
@@BillygoatsgrruffEven brick is better than the glass box monstrosities they’ve been throwing up in place of beautiful century homes and buildings. It’s a crying shame.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts My sister and I are going to stay there for five nights straight next week. I'll be able to share this info with her and imagine how it was in my mind.
Id never heard about the buried clothes behind the barn! Ill have to look that up...but its nice to see the house and property getting the attention it deserves. Before about 2005, that press building that was attached really made it look lousy. The new barn at least resembles the old pretty well too.
Yes, Uncle John had the clothes buried behind the barn, then the police wanted them so they were dug up and reburied in a box and dug up a second time.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts I assume these were the clothes that Andew and Abby were wearing when they were killed? Likie @austinballard6815 I have never heard about buried clothes. Interesting.
The bloody clothing worn by Abby and Andrew Borden were put down in the wash cellar. Uncle John Morse hired a man to bury them behind the barn. The police asked them to be dug up, they were later reburied in a box when the police were finished, only to be dug up again and retained. The police advised that nothing be done with them from the first day, but Uncle John ignored this.
I think Uncle John arrived at the sisters request to protect their financial interests as long term rows over Andrew gifting a home & money to Abbys half sister had resurfaced the week before: & both sisters had moved out for 3 days & were still refusing to eat with the parents & were avoiding them all the time. Then maybe Andrew told John it was none of his business & that tipped Lizzie, fearing herself destitute on her fathers passing , over the edge. Abby had to die first so that on Andrew's death the sisters got everything.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts If you look carefully at his eyes in that eerie photo of him, it's not a sneaky face but the face of someone who lacks complete empathy and compassion - the classic traits of a psychopath. I'm from the Whitechapel District in London where Jack the Ripper carried out a number of gruesome murders in 1888. A few of the Ripper suspects, who were certified insane and locked up in lunatic asylums, had the same detached look in their soulless eyes as Uncle John.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWeftsagreed and not only that he will no longer be loyal to Andrew bcoz his sister was already dead long time ago the real mother of Emma and Lizzie borden
Uncle John paid a man to bury all of the clothing behind the barn which was removed from the bodies during the removal of the stomachs and examination of the bodies on the day of the murder. The police had instructed the family not to dispose of anything but as there was brain matter on the clothing, John Morse must have felt compelled to bury the items. They had to be dug up when police came back calling for them.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts Thanks. Always wondered why and exactly where the clothing was buried. Didn’t know it was behind the barn. Always thought in was right in the backyard.
The original barn was torn down decades ago. A reproduction barn is still there, built around 2006. The whole back yard was part of the Leary Press- Smart Advertising business owned by the McGinns until it was sold in 2004. Woods-Wilber co-owners tore down the printing press building, rebuilt the barn and planted some pear trees. They are still there.
The uncle has some explaining to do. He just shows up. The next day 2 people are dead. He happens to leave in the morning and come back in the afternoon and the exact right times with a perfect alibi. After the trial he leaves town and never returns. Patricide is an overwhelmingly male crime. I would imagine even more so with a hatchet. The uncle was also a butcher by trade, which would fit the MO for this murder.
Another thing that's interesting was the order in which Andrew and Abby were killed. Because Abby was noticably (rigor mortis) killed first, the inheritance did not go to her relatives. Had Andrew been killed first, the Borden girls wouldn't have received the entire estate because it would have passed to Abby's relatives. She was, after all, not directly related to her step-daughters. Uncle John had come under the pretence of discussing property. My understanding is that Andrew had begun to parcel away properties due to the fact that he had entered old age and was settling his personal affairs. This could have been an avoidance of property or estate taxes upon his death. Seventy years of age was rather old in 1892 because people didn't live as long as they do today. Andrew's spinster daughters were due to receive a stipend to live on after his death. This wasn't good enough for Lizzie and she was agitated that Andrew was giving away properties. He had just signed one over to Abby's sister. Andrew - ever the businessman - was reaching far into the future to exert control from the grave. Lizzie must have been steaming over this... No husband, no prospects, no income, no trade or training, no children, no future other than the one decreed by Andrew Borden with a future stipend to match his enduring frugality. This is not sympathy for Lizzie, rather it's an explanation for my belief that she was involved in the murders of Andrew and Abby. Lizzie's involvement poses one of two reasons 1) either Andrew molested his daughters while they were young, thereby explaining why neither ever married OR 2) Lizzie was a spoiled sociopath who would rather murder Andrew and Abby in order to obtain her full inheritance. If Lizzie and her sister _were_ molested, this would explain both women's secretive behavior. Lizzie did act like a kook, but sexual abuse could explain this... However, taking other things into account, Lizzie appears to be spoiled, narcissistic, bratty and entitled. Never underestimate someone who will do anything for money.
The hatchet was found on the top of Mr. Crowe's barn which was behind and to the south one lot of the Borden back yard. ( Behind Dr. Kelly's house).There was an orchard to the left of Crowe's barn and some men were working back there at the time of the murders. The men said they saw no one climb over the Borden back fence. Mr. Crowe said nobody had been up on his roof for 2 years. A Mr. McDonnell said the hatchet was his and he had lost it some time ago. One newspaper claims the state had to pay to have it tested with no conclusive results. It had been out in the weather and was rusted. Many believe it may have been the murder weapon. Apparently Abby Borden had flakes of gilt in her wounds which were often found on the blade of new hatchets as a coating.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts There is also speculation that a flat iron, rather than a hatchet, was the murder weapon for one or both murders. Recall Lizzie claimed she was ironing handkerchiefs at one time in the morning. The flat irons of those times had a sharp, flat edge that could have produced the same wounds as were seen on at least Abbie and possibly Andrew.
@@heyfitzpablum The experts testified they were satisfied it was a short-handled ax or more likely a hatchet based on width of slice wounds , and very sharp- sharp enough to bisect Andrew's eyeball.
Like the video u did a wonderful job i like the house it is gorgeous and in good shape i remember hearing about it and seen the movie that was sad and terrible
I think the actual murders were carried out by John Morse who doubled back to the house to join his accomplices Lizzie and Bridget after Andrew Borden had gone for a walk. He remained inside the house after killing the stepmother and later went downstairs to finish off the job after Lizzie informed him that her father was now asleep on the sofa.
Motive? People don't commit premeditated murders without a reason. Morse got nothing out of the estate. Besides, John Morse was visiting relatives at the time of the murders, he had a concrete alibi.
@@wgcds7jyg897 Exactly. The police instructed that the clothing be left untouched in the cellar. Uncle John Morse hired someone to bury them against orders.
@@wgcds7jyg897 I guess we will never know for sure. I believe because there was brain matter and a great deal of blood, maybe he felt it was the decent thing to do.
Ghastly what has happened to the backyard as well as the properties across the street. That’s a worse crime than the murders themselves. Really appalling. It makes me want to buy the property and *actually* restore it. And I’m not crazy about that green paint they’ve had on the house for the last several years.
I agree with everything you say. Yes, the green paint is not the correct color and is not holding up well. It is Rhino Coat ceramic paint. Second Street was a lovely residential street in 1892. Urban blight has set in. The city tears down every beautiful building it seems.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts It’s really tragic. Is there just nothing that can be done because the populace is disinterested? I live in NYC; wish I were local. The most I can do is donate to the Fall River Historical Society (which I adore; the city doesn’t deserve them).
@@slacktoryrecords4193 Yes, the Historical Society and the Fall River Preservation Society do all that they can and are well worth supporting. At the moment we are hoping someone will come and rescue Lizzie's church which is for sale- a magnificent building on Rock St.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts What would be John Morse's Motive, he got nothing in the Estate? Also, he was confirmed to be visiting other family members when the murders were committed (supported by testimony from the streetcar driver and the family members), so 'Opportunity' doesn't factor in. The police did a pretty good job of considering all potential suspects and eliminating most of them on the basis of hard, provable facts. Anything is possible, but odds are the police identified the most likely suspect-Lizzie-based on a lot of circumstantial evidence. Incidentally, Lions Den Audio does a recitation of the Lizzie Borden Trial transcripts on TH-cam, they are fascinating to listen to. Check them out if you haven't already.
If men were working at a house off back yard, how easy to sneak over & back several times, to rob?? Killed to not be exposed. Too many possibilities to just blame Lizzie.
I no longer care who killed the parents. That is a done deal. But ruining the scenery is a major concern. Making it a bed and breakfast was not good. The whole area should be preserved historically.
That was not a meager home...then or now. They had a maid too. So, that daddy gave help. That Lizzie was an old woman.. She should have married by 20...what was she waiting on?Women had 7 or more kids by her age then. The dad can run things the way he liked. Plus, the maid helped Lizzie..l bet she did for sure
Apparently, according to her grammar school principal, Lizzie was not the usual girl mooning over men and looking forward to getting married and having a family. I do believe the maid knew more than she was saying.
It was a private home until 1996. The owner passed away and a relative opened the house as a bed and breakfast. It was never actually preserved as a murder site. When the house was sold again in 2021, it became a haunted venue where you can stay overnight. That it is still there and a famous murder happened in this house is just circumstance. Since 1996 interest developed in visiting it because of the murders, and more recently as a haunted location. It was a family home for many decades before.
Yes, the Bristol County Superior court is far too big on that lot. Nobody is a fan of the huge structure right on South Main Street. What were they thinking?
i have been on the tour 7 times.
Those idiots caused so much damage to that historical site .
I cannot believe the city allowed those new owners to do everything they did . In their great wisdom they paved the back yard and tore down the barn ?
UNBELIEVABLE !
The original barn was torn down decades ago. A replica barn was built by Donald Woods around 2006 and the back yard paved for a parking lot for the B&B. Yes, many of us wish the house and grounds were restored to 1892 entirely and a real house museum would be open to the public about the famous case. The city has never shown much interest in this.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts
Yes, there is so much more to this property than making money as a B&B . It is a piece of American history that speaks about so many facets of the period. even besides the unsolved horrible crime.
@@Ralphie5023 modern designers have a lot to answer for. Destroying beautiful old homes and replacing them with ugly brick buildings like across the road
Agreed. I love preserving history.
@@BillygoatsgrruffEven brick is better than the glass box monstrosities they’ve been throwing up in place of beautiful century homes and buildings. It’s a crying shame.
Thank you for the video. That helped to put in perspective of how the property and surrounding property was back then.
I am very glad it was helpful to you.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts My sister and I are going to stay there for five nights straight next week. I'll be able to share this info with her and imagine how it was in my mind.
@@adamw7290 I am glad you will be staying a long time- it takes a long time to absorb it all.
Very good narration!!
Thank You for sharing!
Another great one, Shelley! I Love Len Rebello's book.
Len's book is a must-have for the Bordenian Bookshelf.
Where can I get this book
@@jprez7295 It often appears on ebay or on the used book online stores like Bookfinder or ABE books. It is a good reference source.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts thank you 😊
Id never heard about the buried clothes behind the barn! Ill have to look that up...but its nice to see the house and property getting the attention it deserves. Before about 2005, that press building that was attached really made it look lousy. The new barn at least resembles the old pretty well too.
Yes, Uncle John had the clothes buried behind the barn, then the police wanted them so they were dug up and reburied in a box and dug up a second time.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts I assume these were the clothes that Andew and Abby were wearing when they were killed? Likie @austinballard6815 I have never heard about buried clothes. Interesting.
She did it alone. Clever gal got away with it 🔥
i wonder if anyone checked the old well for the hatchet before filling it in and burying it
Yes, and they also checked the well at the Borden farm in Swansea and the outdoor privy.
What do you mean buried clothes? I have not heard that before.
The bloody clothing worn by Abby and Andrew Borden were put down in the wash cellar. Uncle John Morse hired a man to bury them behind the barn. The police asked them to be dug up, they were later reburied in a box when the police were finished, only to be dug up again and retained. The police advised that nothing be done with them from the first day, but Uncle John ignored this.
@Buba Joe Yes, we have read the book by Arnold Brown. That was his theory about Billy Borden.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts thank you!
I think Lizzy did it and her uncle helped her.
Many people do! Uncle John has that sneaky face! 🙂
I think Uncle John arrived at the sisters request to protect their financial interests as long term rows over Andrew gifting a home & money to Abbys half sister had resurfaced the week before: & both sisters had moved out for 3 days & were still refusing to eat with the parents & were avoiding them all the time. Then maybe Andrew told John it was none of his business & that tipped Lizzie, fearing herself destitute on her fathers passing , over the edge. Abby had to die first so that on Andrew's death the sisters got everything.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts If you look carefully at his eyes in that eerie photo of him, it's not a sneaky face but the face of someone who lacks complete empathy and compassion - the classic traits of a psychopath. I'm from the Whitechapel District in London where Jack the Ripper carried out a number of gruesome murders in 1888. A few of the Ripper suspects, who were certified insane and locked up in lunatic asylums, had the same detached look in their soulless eyes as Uncle John.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWeftsagreed and not only that he will no longer be loyal to Andrew bcoz his sister was already dead long time ago the real mother of Emma and Lizzie borden
What were the clothes that were buried in the backyard and who buried them
Uncle John paid a man to bury all of the clothing behind the barn which was removed from the bodies during the removal of the stomachs and examination of the bodies on the day of the murder. The police had instructed the family not to dispose of anything but as there was brain matter on the clothing, John Morse must have felt compelled to bury the items. They had to be dug up when police came back calling for them.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts thanks for letting me know that I've never heard that before.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts Thanks. Always wondered why and exactly where the clothing was buried. Didn’t know it was behind the barn. Always thought in was right in the backyard.
Why were the barn and the pear trees Winfield pear trees removed
The original barn was torn down decades ago. A reproduction barn is still there, built around 2006. The whole back yard was part of the Leary Press- Smart Advertising business owned by the McGinns until it was sold in 2004. Woods-Wilber co-owners tore down the printing press building, rebuilt the barn and planted some pear trees. They are still there.
That book you have is worth a lot of $$$.
Yes it is now. The author was a good friend for many years. Originally it sold for $50.
Cute cat!
Great video!
Thank you! :-)
The uncle has some explaining to do.
He just shows up. The next day 2 people are dead. He happens to leave in the morning and come back in the afternoon and the exact right times with a perfect alibi. After the trial he leaves town and never returns.
Patricide is an overwhelmingly male crime. I would imagine even more so with a hatchet. The uncle was also a butcher by trade, which would fit the MO for this murder.
Another thing that's interesting was the order in which Andrew and Abby were killed. Because Abby was noticably (rigor mortis) killed first, the inheritance did not go to her relatives. Had Andrew been killed first, the Borden girls wouldn't have received the entire estate because it would have passed to Abby's relatives. She was, after all, not directly related to her step-daughters.
Uncle John had come under the pretence of discussing property. My understanding is that Andrew had begun to parcel away properties due to the fact that he had entered old age and was settling his personal affairs. This could have been an avoidance of property or estate taxes upon his death. Seventy years of age was rather old in 1892 because people didn't live as long as they do today.
Andrew's spinster daughters were due to receive a stipend to live on after his death. This wasn't good enough for Lizzie and she was agitated that Andrew was giving away properties. He had just signed one over to Abby's sister.
Andrew - ever the businessman - was reaching far into the future to exert control from the grave. Lizzie must have been steaming over this... No husband, no prospects, no income, no trade or training, no children, no future other than the one decreed by Andrew Borden with a future stipend to match his enduring frugality. This is not sympathy for Lizzie, rather it's an explanation for my belief that she was involved in the murders of Andrew and Abby.
Lizzie's involvement poses one of two reasons 1) either Andrew molested his daughters while they were young, thereby explaining why neither ever married OR 2) Lizzie was a spoiled sociopath who would rather murder Andrew and Abby in order to obtain her full inheritance. If Lizzie and her sister _were_ molested, this would explain both women's secretive behavior. Lizzie did act like a kook, but sexual abuse could explain this... However, taking other things into account, Lizzie appears to be spoiled, narcissistic, bratty and entitled. Never underestimate someone who will do anything for money.
What happened to the hatchet found on top of barn .? Was it ever checked by police.?
The hatchet was found on the top of Mr. Crowe's barn which was behind and to the south one lot of the Borden back yard. ( Behind Dr. Kelly's house).There was an orchard to the left of Crowe's barn and some men were working back there at the time of the murders. The men said they saw no one climb over the Borden back fence. Mr. Crowe said nobody had been up on his roof for 2 years. A Mr. McDonnell said the hatchet was his and he had lost it some time ago. One newspaper claims the state had to pay to have it tested with no conclusive results. It had been out in the weather and was rusted. Many believe it may have been the murder weapon. Apparently Abby Borden had flakes of gilt in her wounds which were often found on the blade of new hatchets as a coating.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts There is also speculation that a flat iron, rather than a hatchet, was the murder weapon for one or both murders. Recall Lizzie claimed she was ironing handkerchiefs at one time in the morning. The flat irons of those times had a sharp, flat edge that could have produced the same wounds as were seen on at least Abbie and possibly Andrew.
@@heyfitzpablum The experts testified they were satisfied it was a short-handled ax or more likely a hatchet based on width of slice wounds , and very sharp- sharp enough to bisect Andrew's eyeball.
Like the video u did a wonderful job i like the house it is gorgeous and in good shape i remember hearing about it and seen the movie that was sad and terrible
I think the actual murders were carried out by John Morse who doubled back to the house to join his accomplices Lizzie and Bridget after Andrew Borden had gone for a walk. He remained inside the house after killing the stepmother and later went downstairs to finish off the job after Lizzie informed him that her father was now asleep on the sofa.
Motive? People don't commit premeditated murders without a reason. Morse got nothing out of the estate. Besides, John Morse was visiting relatives at the time of the murders, he had a concrete alibi.
I never knew the clothes were buried I thought it was burned in the stove
Lizzie burned one of her dresses in the stove. The clothes which were buried and had to be dug up were from the victims.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts Why would they bury the clothes? They’re evidence.
@@wgcds7jyg897 Exactly. The police instructed that the clothing be left untouched in the cellar. Uncle John Morse hired someone to bury them against orders.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts Thanks. Never knew that. It was such an odd thing to do. Was Uncle John trying to hide something? 🤔
@@wgcds7jyg897 I guess we will never know for sure. I believe because there was brain matter and a great deal of blood, maybe he felt it was the decent thing to do.
Could you share about recent genetic offspring that held propensity for vicious homocide ?
Ghastly what has happened to the backyard as well as the properties across the street. That’s a worse crime than the murders themselves. Really appalling. It makes me want to buy the property and *actually* restore it. And I’m not crazy about that green paint they’ve had on the house for the last several years.
I agree with everything you say. Yes, the green paint is not the correct color and is not holding up well. It is Rhino Coat ceramic paint. Second Street was a lovely residential street in 1892. Urban blight has set in. The city tears down every beautiful building it seems.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts It’s really tragic. Is there just nothing that can be done because the populace is disinterested? I live in NYC; wish I were local. The most I can do is donate to the Fall River Historical Society (which I adore; the city doesn’t deserve them).
@@slacktoryrecords4193 Yes, the Historical Society and the Fall River Preservation Society do all that they can and are well worth supporting. At the moment we are hoping someone will come and rescue Lizzie's church which is for sale- a magnificent building on Rock St.
Ok so just reading these comments only confirmed my theory that it was Uncle John Morse that killed Andrew and Abby Borden
He was one of the first suspects to be sure. His alibi seems to have been air tight but even now he is regarded with suspicion.
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts I'll go to my grave with the gut feeling that John Morse killed Andrew and Abby Borden .
@@LizzieBordenWarpsandWefts What would be John Morse's Motive, he got nothing in the Estate? Also, he was confirmed to be visiting other family members when the murders were committed (supported by testimony from the streetcar driver and the family members), so 'Opportunity' doesn't factor in. The police did a pretty good job of considering all potential suspects and eliminating most of them on the basis of hard, provable facts. Anything is possible, but odds are the police identified the most likely suspect-Lizzie-based on a lot of circumstantial evidence. Incidentally, Lions Den Audio does a recitation of the Lizzie Borden Trial transcripts on TH-cam, they are fascinating to listen to. Check them out if you haven't already.
Terrible what those idiots did with this property !
I'm surprised they didn't turn it into a drive through ?
If men were working at a house off back yard, how easy to sneak over & back several times, to rob?? Killed to not be exposed. Too many possibilities to just blame Lizzie.
I no longer care who killed the parents. That is a done deal. But ruining the scenery is a major concern. Making it a bed and breakfast was not good. The whole area should be preserved historically.
That was not a meager home...then or now. They had a maid too. So, that daddy gave help. That Lizzie was an old woman.. She should have married by 20...what was she waiting on?Women had 7 or more kids by her age then. The dad can run things the way he liked. Plus, the maid helped Lizzie..l bet she did for sure
Apparently, according to her grammar school principal, Lizzie was not the usual girl mooning over men and looking forward to getting married and having a family. I do believe the maid knew more than she was saying.
Why preserve this murder site. Very weird.
It was a private home until 1996. The owner passed away and a relative opened the house as a bed and breakfast. It was never actually preserved as a murder site. When the house was sold again in 2021, it became a haunted venue where you can stay overnight. That it is still there and a famous murder happened in this house is just circumstance. Since 1996 interest developed in visiting it because of the murders, and more recently as a haunted location. It was a family home for many decades before.
Interesting. I think the barn and area should have been prrserved What a shame
Ironic that a giant court house was built right accross the street.
Yes, the Bristol County Superior court is far too big on that lot. Nobody is a fan of the huge structure right on South Main Street. What were they thinking?