FLSUN V400 - The Fastest Delta 3D Printer?
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- The FLSUN v400 is a large Delta 3d printer that comes with Klipper firmware right out of the box. here's my initial tests and an overview of the machine as well as my experience with it so far. We'll test features, performance, and do a quick head to head with the popular Bambulabs P1P. Whether you're a seasoned maker or just starting out, this video should give you all the information you need to make an informed decision about these popular 3D printers. So sit back, relax, and join us as we put the FLSUN V400 through its paces. Subscribe now to never miss another review and stay up to date on the latest 3D printers.
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hello can you share your cura V400 profile please? THANKS
its linked in the description now! enjoy!
$150+ cheaper for the p1p
Sorry Bambu has my money
and they've got a fair amount more of your money for hotends/nozzles and repair parts. just kidding they're pretty solid units ;)
how about sharing that optimized profile?
its linked in the description now! enjoy!
Any print quality or bed adhesion issues I’ve encountered have been promptly resolved with cleaning the bed, Re-leveling/adjusting Z height. As with any printer, it is a good idea to PID tune the bed and heating elements, and to calibrate your extruder. I’d buy 20 of these things if I wasn’t sure my wife would divorce me for doing so.
hahahaha. Yeah I did PID and estep tuning, or rotation tuning I think klipper calls it. super easy to do via the mainsail ui. it would be cool to have a macro on the speeder pad to auto calibrate and save pid after moving the machine to a new location or changing to a different nozzle temp for different materials. thanks for watching!
Yeah, printers are more tolerant! They don’t care, if you have 20 women!😅
I just got my V400 and I must say, it's great that someone finally made a serious, uncompromising delta! The delta is indeed a great platform, but it really needs a first class effort to make it shine and not be a nightmare.
Totally! Are you planning to get an accelerometer for input shaping? I'm really interested in what speeds this thing could get up too with a bunch of tuning. i guess i've been bitten by the fast printing bug. thanks for watching! :)
Yeah the V400 does takes a lot of effort to print nice. Although I’m almost dialed in, I still wish I chose the Bambu
@@WouterZtube why?
Would you recomend it for a first 3d printer? it is this or the p1p but the p1p is just too small
@@luissuarez5897 I would recommend the P1P for a first printer. It will have better support and will probably work perfectly out of the box. The V400 has a couple of known issues that can be resolved with tuning Klipper and slicer settings, but it may be a bit overwhelming for a beginner. Delta printers are know for being a bit more finicky than cartesian printers. Plus the build volume of the P1P should be good enough for most projects; it is a bit bigger than "normal" Ender volume. Keep in mind the V400 has a 300mm diameter, which can inset a 212mmx212mm square, if you are printing something square, the P1P can print larger than the v400. The V400 does have the height advantage though.
Can you be so kind and share the FLSUN v400 optimised cura settings please... It'll be so helpful....... 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
its linked in the description now! enjoy!
@@WildRoseBuilds thank you so much I'll check right away
Dude, I got to ask, is there any way we can get access to this optimized Cura profile from FLSun themselves?
took them a hot minute to come through but its linked in the description now! enjoy!
This is my first 3D printer and the experience has been absolutely what I'd describe as 'Plug and Play', with only one failed print caused by me trying to push max speeds on a tall and narrow model. The included 'Speeder Pad' touchscreen puts all controls only a menu or so deep, allows for WiFi connectivity/printer management and can apparently run multiple printers simultaneously (though I've yet to test this last feature out). Bed adhesion is insanely good with PLA and PETG, and this thing is fascinating to watch as the arms and head articulate at absurd speeds.
Multiple instances of mainsail is definitely on my to do list! thanks for sharing your experience and for watching! :)
Hi! This video was very informative and helpful. The high video and audio quality make it even more enjoyable. I'm printing your test cube on my old Monoprice now, but have decided to order a V400 using your link in the very near future. Not "immediately" because I've set myself the pre condition of building a shelf/table for it out in the shop. That thing is TALL! Thanks again for the great video!
I love the V400 … but only for stand alone parts. If they have to match or fit together for building something: no way. I have calibrated that thing over and over, it’s impossible to get a snugg fit on something. Everything’s to big, i have to sand down everything. A bolt with a threaded headphone holder for me? Nope. Don’t know what’s the problem. And after hours and hours of try and error, i have absolutely no interest any more 😂 I think i‘ll try the Bambulab X1.
it seems, p1p prints faster and smoother, and cost lower. doesn't it?
yep, but its also not open source so you'll have a harder time repairing it and customizing it to your needs.
No real need to customize a printer that just works.
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this printer is FAST! An articulated mechanical octopus I printed that would have taken one of my other printers around 18-23 hours on 0.2mm took only 10 hours on this printer. Most of the speed is in accelerations though. So very complex models will still take longer. I'm just very impressed I'm maintaining a lot of the quality with high speeds.
I'm going to pull the trigger on one of those accelerometers I think to counter vibrations and increase acceleration speeds, either way that volcano hotend is begging for a 0.6mm nozzle. i'll have some more videos on this once i spend some more time using it! thanks for watching!
@@WildRoseBuilds Tuning input shaping will make a vast difference to how high you can crank the acceleration, especially for travel and non outer perimeters where it's fine to push it to just below the point where you skip steps, and acceleration is very often the bottleneck to print time.
For reference, the McGybeer full size smooth octopus is only 2h45m on my Ender 3 thanks to well tuned input shaper allowing over 42k on X and over 14k on Y. That's without even going to high print speeds, just 230. The V400 well tuned could probably do it in 1.5-2 hours.
This is my first delta style printer. I have 3 Core-XZ and a Core-XY, and I still consider myself new to 3D printing, but I feel like I just stepped out of my Kia and into a BMW.
yes! great build quality on this machine, love the experience of using it so far!
So a downgrade?
The truth about the flsun v400....(or better, about flsun itself)
Bought a unit mid january
Have it for several weeks
Unable to extract one single good print from the machine
The issue is that the effector keeps on blocking for whatever reason.
I constantly have to unload/load filament to temporarily fix the issue.
Very frustrating.
Contacted flsun.
"Please watch this video"
No support.
No help.
No nothing.
Considering filing an official complaint, this has all the hallmarks of a ripoff.
Do not do business with these people, hey clearly do not give a fuck about their customers.
How experienced are you with 3D printers? Nozzle clogs can be caused by a bunch of things that are out of the manufacturers control. Nozzle temp, filament quality, retraction settings, ambient temperature, flow rate / esteps, first layer height, etc can all cause clogs. Do you have all that stuff dialed in?
They lied about sending extra filament
I like p1p better.
Mmmmmm bambulab are like the apple of the print world, makes me not want one
i think we found a linux user?...
@@WildRoseBuilds don't even know what Linux is
Fast,the delta printer never moves outside of it's bed dimensions so you can place it in a area just big enough for the outside dimensions. Nice User Interface, has klipper and a color touch screen. Bed level system works great right out of the box. Easy to assemble, not as fast as some printers but should be doable by anyone that can read directions.Autoload and unload of filament works very well.
Yes! I'm going to bolt some acrylic to this machine for an enclosure. fast abs parts would be awesome off this thing!
@@WildRoseBuilds I would really love to see a video on such an enclosure. As the print-head basically fills a (sharpened at the top) cylinder, an enclosure would either need to be triangular surrounding the legs but then big enough to surround that cylinder to leave enough room for the head or cylindrical and attached to the legs. You cannot just mount straight panels between the legs without severily reducing the build volume. So, a video showing how this can be done (ex. bending acrylic) could help me strike through one of the disadvantages of delta-printers on my list.
Kinda curious about your camera setup , the quality is just superb
The quality loss is unfortunate with the V400. 4:28 there are gaps in the bottom of the print and this is after you got a super tuned profile that apparently no one else has access too.
The 2:37 print quality is what everyone else gets stock.
I've linked the cura download with the profile I was provided in the description! there's definitely some room to improve print quality via tuning. I don't have a whole lot of experience with the extruder that's on this machine but I think I might have some hardware fiddling to do as well.
@@WildRoseBuilds Thank you for the response. 🥰 Adding to Cura now to test.
This v400 is my second FLSun printer, an upgrade from my flsun SR. The flsun v400 is another incredible printer from FLSun, easily achieving speeds of 380 - 400mm/s with factory hardware and firmware, and consistently delivers great quality prints using only the basic Cura profiles included with the software.
The super racer was also a solid delta machine. Excited to see what flsun comes out with next!
Could you share the Cura with FLSUN v400 profile
its linked in the description now! enjoy!
Would you mind sharing the updated profile you got from Flsun?
its linked in the description now! enjoy!
Thanks a lot
Please share a link to the profile you receivend from FL for 400 mm/s.
its linked in the description now! enjoy!
Love this printer, it is my first, I have a Zortrax M300 Plus at work. This is a little bit too fast for its own good, need to slow it down a touch to get the best out of it. The acceleration while moving between printed parts makes the belt jump a tooth! May just need the belts tensioned, haven't got round to it yet! Had a couple of problems with it when I received it, one of the wires inside the top had come loose from its connector so one of the 3 motors did nothing!Only took about 10 minutes to find and fix. The other issue I had was trying to load the V400 profile into Cura! That took a real long time! Not simple! Other than that, love it, great quality prints in a fraction of the time my work printer can achieve.
Tensioning the belts is pretty quick on this guy. prusa has a belt tensioning tool on printables that i've been meaning to try out. i also found a .exe that auto injects a V400 profile into whatever version of cura you have and that was super helpful! thanks for watching!
Now they just need to make a v400 with a 500mm bed and I'd buy it
That would be a chonky machine but I’d buy it too haha
neat stuff!
Really curious to see how you get on with input shaper tuning.
seems like it's a little more finicky for deltas than for core XY or other cartesian style kinematic systems because the position of the print head in the build volume makes a big difference for the resonances. Then again I would expect a core XY to be more rigid near the borders of the build volume as well so maybe it's a wash.
Overall I'm glad to see the market is moving beyond bedslingers and towards delta and core XY being more of the norm than some odd curiosity.
I'm pretty happy with my much hated ender 7 after I klipperized it and it's cool to see more polished options like this in the high speed printing segment that give people an easier start without so much messing about or the highly proprietary experience of bamboo labs.
YEAH! competition is good for the consumer and I hope the bambulabs feature set lights a fire under the butts of some of the bigger printer manufacturers. I was obsessed with octoprint back in 2014 after seeing how much functionality it gave my first printer which didn't even have a screen/interface. I think Klipper is the next evolution of that obsession for me. I have the accelerometer now and hopefully will get around to filming the upgrade soon. excited to see how much of a difference it makes. thanks for watching!
are you running a custom Cura profile?
Linked in the description!
@@WildRoseBuilds I don’t see it in your google drive. In description says cura 4.13.1
Nice comparison.
Thanks!
> Is arguable just as good as the X1C
No it isn't.
- Stringing
- Elephant footing
- Z-wobbling
- Flat toothpasting
- Layer under extrusion
- Retract snotting
1200mms max speed woah! Except you still wont get a quality print over 200. Speed is a marketing scam in 3d printers.
Hi, I'm looking to create camera lens caps and other useable/functional prints... would the FLSUN V400 be good fit for that? It'd be my first printer, but I want something that I has less overhead.
I've done a fair amount of lens caps and even lens adapters for m43 on my prusa. i've noticed the dimensional accuracy on the bambu labs machine is quite good so that might be the one to look into for camera gear specific printing. thanks for watching!
The V400 should be set at a lower acceleration than you did to equal the quality of the P1P, details are smoothed too much.
As tip: when you compare printers, print the acceleration tuning tower, so that it's easy to see at which acceleration the gap increases and at which acceleration the ringing appears.
I'm using Cura 5.3. Do you have, possibly, an optimized .ini for that version? Thank you.
i dont! the one they provided was for an older cura version. you can install multiple versions of cura on your computer tho!
I need their S1 to be reviewed honestly.
Im in the market for a new printer and I'm either buying a 500mm ratrig, an X1E or the FLSun S1 and building a ventilated cabinet to house it with venting to the outside for use with the nastier engineering materials.
I got a gcode file from flsun for the benchy that prints in 13 minutes.
Hello, thanks for this great video. I'm starting a 3d business and stack between choosing 2p1ps and 1 v400. Or 2 v400s and 1 p1p, which do you recommend, what's the most reliable with amazing quality and speeds between the too that you would recommend for a commercial setup, thank you.
For a commercial setup I’d go with the P1P. I print all my commissions on mine with great results
Been missing my seemecnc rostock and this might be a viable replacement.
I have the anycubic predator which is the first version of the v400 (I think flsun bought anycubic design), do you know if it’s possible to upgrade the predator with v400 parts ???
that machine looks quite a bit different than this one, you'd have to replace a lot of parts to the point that it probably wouldn't be worth it.
Aww ur cura profile isn’t there
Thank you for this video. I would actually like to buy a newer 3D printer, but somehow none of them meet my requirements. Speed is actually what interests me the least. Let's face the truth, what a 3D printer does most in private use is: standing there and wait on his owner. Security, I'm interested on. It doesn't matter if it prints quickly, it has all the time of the world if it can print permanently safely. What I just don't see: Multiple temperature monitoring in the event of a temperature sensor failure. Clean wiring, possibly smoke warning and spaghetti detector. Only the thermal runaway protection is not enough for me, it may be due to me age, but the security, there is still too much Asian thinking in it (and i was in asia for a long time, also in china for final inspections)..... Furthermore, a larger installation space (I'm a homeowner and there are already one or the other project that would just be a bit bigger).
In simple terms, it's just not time to make a new purchase on a 3D Printer. It's just time to wait and see what a race the X1 Carbon has opened up. I'm really excited to see what QUID will counter with....
What was my shopping list when buying the first 3D printer: 3D printer, filament, fire extinguisher, fire blanket and another smoke detector. I don't really care whether that makes sense or not and everyone has to know for themselves. I just do so ;-)
if you reach out to FLSUN they'll hook you up with exactly what you need i"m sure!
Enjoyed the review, but would have liked a ludicrous speed and sport speed comparison to the tuned FLSUN print with times just to get a better idea of what was possible. Maybe once you have been able to come up with your tweaked tune.
thanks for the feedback! I have an accelerometer for the v400 that I'll install and do further testing. thanks for watching!
Great review / comparison video 👍👍👍, Love the FLSUN range and have had 2 x QQS, 2x SR's and now currently have 2 x V400's 🙂
Flsun sure knows how to make a delta printer. Thanks for watching!
hows the QQS vs SR print quality? I had the SR, thinking of getting a used QQS pro since at slow speed (.12 and below) they are almost same speed.
I now have the v400 btw.
@@BlazsePist the QQS is still a great machine, print quality is easily on par with the SR but obviously there is a lot less speed involved so a QQS has time to be more……accurate but if you slow your SR down to 60mm/s it will print pretty much identically I would have thought.
@@printasticuk thank you for the info...will add the QQS to my printer :)
got the flsun v400 for 599.
P1P or Qidi iFAST?
FLSUN V400 ;)
Thanks for the review... but yes... the optimized profile would be nice to get :-) Cheers
You bet! its linked in the description now! enjoy!
@@WildRoseBuilds is the optimized profile the 5.0 version? Saw two so I’m assuming yes. Thanks!
delta printers are better because you can put glass around them to keep the plastic stuff inside and the print bed isnt constantly moving and vibrating while the machine tries to print things on it
I been run😢 both of these side by side and hands down the p1p beats the v400.
I cannot get the quality out of that v400.
Just about to sell it
I’m finding that klipper machines need a few rounds of tuning. Keep trying!
Are you still thinking of selling it, or did you get it tuned?
I'm pretty new to the 3d printing scene. I just got my first printer the v400, and I'm not sure how to set up the timelapes to record my prints.
i too am a bit lost on it. i found some klipper code to activate it but i think camera triggers need to be inserted into gcode. the klipper documentation / github has some info on this that should steer you in the right direction!
Thanks for the video!! I'm actually about to sell my P1P and buy the V400. BTW - I'm trying to find that resonance calibrartion kit you pictured but can't seem to locate it. Can you point me in the right direction?
Can you share the Cura profile Flsun sent you. That would be helpful.
Hi friend, perfect explanation... tanks. Your configuration and quality use the "imput shaper" sensor or standart printer. Nice, very nice.
Is the stringing worst with petg?
I haven't tried petg yet!, I think I was slightly over extruding during these tests so I might have to revisit my extruder calibration to remedy the stringing.
I'm pretty disappointed in my V400. I had lots of problems with it. I had layer shifts, stringing, over extrusion and under extrusion on the same print, uneven layer lines, rounding on the corners, the filament sensor stopped working after a week and more.
I made every calibration I could : tensioned the belts equally, PID tuned the bed and hotend, made an ADXL calibration, switched to spreadcycle mode to fix layer shifts, calibrated retraction, calibrated linear advance, switched filaments, dryed filaments...
Now it's working as it should, with a pretty okay print quality.
However, my slightly modded Ender 3 V2 beats the V400 by a lot. The Ender 3 print quality is far superior for a third of the price.
I'm a bit disappointed in the V400. I hoped to get a good print quality, but no, it just looks like prototyping...
Now some people recommended me to slower the speed, which I won't do. It's a V400. It's MEANT to print fast. It's like saying "print slower" on a Bambu Lab P1P/X1C. or like using 60hz on a 240hz monitor.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your quality review. Have a nice day !
I got a v400 3 months ago... Wait what? Just plug in a webcam in the USB? Kidding me, i have to try it thanks!
can you please share that Cura profile for the V400 that they sent you? I have a V400 and use Cura i would really like to try it out. plz let me know
trouble is here in the UK, the bamboo labs is 700 before taxes and shipping. you can get the flsun for about 800 and free shipping.
yeah if the price is the same it really comes down to how much you like tinkering. I've already started working on a macro button to auto eject finished prints :)
@@WildRoseBuilds oh neat :D I was wanting to see if its possible to use some of them volcano style nozzled really harden tipped nozzled with the rub tips so i can iron my prints without destroying nozzles
@@WildRoseBuilds u wut
I wonder what the actual acceleration of this delta printer is? A 33 minute benchy isn’t good at “400mm/s”, means it maybe reached 150mm/s. My giant bed slinging sv06 plus, did a standard speed benchy at 30:24, with mild 3k acceleration and “200mm/s” in the slicer. Would try faster but no point as ringing was starting to appear and it’s just marlin not klipperized.
No 3d printer can move at 500 / sec. Accel, direction change and extrusion speed will control speed. You can set the speed at any level you want.
Hello. I've downloaded and installed your cura version (4.13:1) but i can't find any tuned profile baked inside. I've found the 0.2 stock normal profile (it's the same of the stock profile provided from FLSUN for cura 4 and 5). Could you help me to understand where I can find your parameters? Thank you in advance
Is there a printer that can convert STL file to gcode without a separate computer with cura installed?
I just got the v400 and super raver package for half.the license for the v400 I can't wait to set this thing up. Haven't been excited about a printer for years lol 😊
hi thanks for a great video i tried to download your profiles but having trouble as computer keeps rejecting then as bad files is there anyway i can get around this to download your profiles thanks
Thanks greatly appreciate your videos I really need a default config file from the speeder pad for the stock if you have a second to post it I would greatly appreciate your time flsun super racer its not available on klipper doc. Thanks
P1p or v400 for a beginner?
P1P for beginner. The tuning and calibration on the p1p is simplified greatly
which one would you recommend? p1p , x1, or v400?
p1p if you need fast prints and don't want to tinker, V400 if you want full control of every aspect of your machine.
I find it pretty interesting that no one has really mentioned the print area. Yes, I'm sure the P1P is a better printer out the box which is probably what most people want, but if you need the print volume it instantly disqualifies itself.
Print volume for vases that is right? The V400 does not fit 256x256 cube
Thanks
no problem :)
@@WildRoseBuilds it's beyond my price range but I appreciate the effort that you put into testing it. Going to check out your calibration cube as well
is their a way to import the ini profiles from the link in the description?
The profiles I received are baked into a cura version, but if you install it you should be able to export them and then import them to whatever version of cura you’re using
The era of high-speed printing has begun, flsun is the leaders of the fast era
I got my V400 yesterday for 50 Bucks cheaper than the P1P. I've got the feeling that I need to learn 3d printing all over again, coming from my heavily modified Ender 6😂
how do you like it so far?
@@TouchofDepth It's nice so far. But it's a whole different machine...
@@HMSGamer deltas are a whole different breed tbh , very Nice still
The last benchy i printed with a P1P took just a bit over 15 Minutes. This thing is a beast. The V400 has multiple problems („no contact to Moonracker“ anyone?) with bigger prints, so it’s an interesting concept, but not for people who need reliable printing. The P1Ps we use are (for now) as reliable as the prusas. We’ll see if they hold up long term, but they are definitely the fastest devices we have for now…
i love mine!