Fans rating chart should be split into two categories. One with scoop (includes intake and exhaust) and one without. All the ones with scoop, should have gasket installed for fairness. I'm all for best fan design, but having the scoop changes it from something I can print and replace on my stock fan, to something that needs serious case modification to actually be used.
I think the seals against the noctua fan body should be standard practice going forward. If users want additional seals or a seal of a specific size/shape, then they should provide their own schematics for them.
@@Pystro it's like you didn't even read what I said. He'd still have the "standard seal" on the fan body. But since people submit fans of all shapes and sizes, there's not gonna be a one size fits all seal. In a situation where a user submits a fan that is either oddly shaped or has multiple stacking parts, then he/she should also provide files for a seal that would fit their design. If not, then only use the standard seal and nothing else.
Negative... The objective of this channel is it is the users responsibility to apply fluid dynamics to the best of their knowledge. This, would include seals... Stop promoting laziness.
@@SkillisForNoobs Noctua includes a full rubber gasket for the boxed versions of the A12x25 which are really useful: they fully cover one side of the fan, not just the corners. Just have to swap the corners for it. At the sides it a bit thin so placement can be finicky but worth it.
Not really the cheater didn't have any visible leak in the smoke test it's the first time a leak is apparent in the test So it more this particular print that is to blame (not flat)
It should be standard policy to include these TPU gaskets unless the design conflicts with their use. PLA isnt great as a seal…Even with the flat design, the TPU was able to seal better. TPU for all!
Tpu is great for noise too. I switched to it on my laptop cooling thingy and it enabled using a far noisier squirrel cage fan on it without being too loud. I did also make an intake muffler out of it. (It's basically just a duct that holds the 100mm squirrel cage fan and goes straight to gpu cooler intake.)
I think we don't really need to custom print a gasket here. Every A12x25 fan comes with a seal for a radiator. I think he should have enough of these to use
Negative... It should be standard practice to apply fluid dynamics to the best of *YOUR* knowledge. Not, him cover for your lack of attention to detail.
@@DJBillionator it’s not a lack of knowledge when build surfaces and how the design is mounted can have a significant impact… as shown in this video. Two actually flat surfaces mounted well together should provide enough resistance against leaks under these test conditions, yet it didn’t work. FDM printing isn’t perfect. So a consistent application of this gasket would create an even playing field for the designs that have shrouds/exhaust/etc.
If you want to throw the air out the side, sure go with a turbo type blade... Wheel to be precise, they aren't made to throw air through them, without the housing, the wheel is useless, extended tip or not.
@@meanman6992 The extended tip technology maximise the air flow IN THE HOUSING. It's useless on a fan that isn't a turbo wheel, wich is useless outside of the housing, ya understand ?
Just want to say thanks for all the awesome 3D printing content. I ordered the Q5 over a year ago and had a really hard time getting it to work right, and after a week or two of trying to figure it out I gave up, but kept watching your fan showcase videos. This very week though I have gotten back into it and have gotten some good prints. in that year I managed to learn a lot about blender and 3D modeling so it's all falling into place. :D
The Q5 can be amazing but like all can be finicky and at times disastrous. I’ve gone for a couple months without touching it from issues I couldn’t figure out.
@@jdizzforyou agreed. Above anything it's a great starting point. Mine stopped leveling properly at some point, but you can easily replace the board, extruder, hotend, servos etc over time. Getting that good sturdy base and compact footprint is the true appeal of the at.
@@Charky_Creations and the price I got it at… 159 shipped during a Christmas sale on gearbest 2 years ago 😂 Stock board running marlin with the only upgrade being capricorn tubing.
YES! GASKETS! It doesn't seem like it would have a big effect but imagine air flows like water, even a tiny hole matters if you are creating pressure. Great work 👍
Love your channel. Super chill host. A dude in his man cave lab with his dog. Interacts with the community better than if they were real life friends. Listens to suggestions and shoots new videos fast. Finger licking good quality, lighting, music, smoke teeeeeeests. Thank you so much for the free (to view) contents.
Suggestion: Use the gaskets for all interfaces to the front or back of the A12x25 frame from now on. This would free us up from having to design our own gaskets, and it frees James up from having to print them. (printing TPU is a real pain… you have to dry it out and slow the print speed waaaay down.) Also, test the Cheater with the gaskets, to make it fair.
We had a fan beat the cheater and it wasn't even on an episode of fan showdown. This feels like needing to to read a comic book to get all the story for your favorite movie series.
Them using Klipper is for some reason genius, the number of times companies tried doing their own thing and falling miserably... This printer changed the my perception of Delta printers, which I didn't like before.
You should use the seals from now on for future showdowns, it'll make the results more fair cus it'll remove the variable of leaks from the tests. We're trying to determine what fan shape (and sometimes guides) work best, and removing anything else that could cause an issue from the equation will make results more consistent and precise.
Gasket up the Cheater and lets see who the real champion is. The Unswirler IS the leader now. The design is perfectly fine. You not mounting it well is user error imo.
Dude…I’ve been watching your videos for a while. You’re so smooth and natural. You could get away with doing some story telling vids. Love what you do.
This is a very tempting looking printer and I have closer 2,000 hours runtime on my poor SR pushing it to 220 mm/s with the only upgrade being 5015 cooling fans
I'm so jealous. I just bought a Sherpa direct extruder and mounted it on my SR, and I installed Klipper with a touchscreen running mainsail. They did everything I did, plus they beefed up the arms and increased the build volume. I want it so bad.
@@Oblithian Hey, I have space for two deltas in my life, the kids should be moving out soon. If the salesman talks to his manager, do you think he could get me a free undercoating? I heard it really helps these printers stand up to puddles and rock salt.
Love your channel, inspiring people to just try stuff and then implementing their ideas just to see what happens, you are an enabler of stuff. A legend.
I converted my Ender 3 to a direct drive with a $35 kit and never looked back. The almost complete lack of stringing easily makes up for the need to slow down the outer-most wall to avoid ringing. Plus I can just crank up the print speed for the inner walls to make up for it, since the direct drive's material-extruded-vs-estop curve is far flatter.
I converted one of my E3s to direct drive with a printed polycarbonate bracket a good quality titan clone and a spare stepper i had. Works fantastic even for tpu.
I bought the Q5 mainly after seeing your review of it. I had considered the SR or V400 as a 2nd printer, but went with the Anycubic Kobra Plus instead. My only real issue with the Delta-style is the round bed. The Q5 at a diameter of 200mm equates to a square area of approx. 141x141mm. So you're basically sacrificing up to 30% of the bed the closer you get to a square print. Don't get me wrong, I love my Q5 and it is great for smaller prints, but I am finding the square build plate easier to work with for modeling.
Maj. Hardware, you should get a small articulating arm to put that monitor on. Then you can attach it to the machine itself and still view it from any angle. A good brand I've found is called SmallRig (typically for camera or audio use)
noooo it beat the cheater! one must automatically assume that the surfaces are sealed unless specifically designed that way. the fact it was designed flat means it should have sealed and any warpage from printing MUST be disregarded..... the cheater has officially been beaten
I agree, the intended design did not contain any leakages and the design is shown to be better in this test, I am not sure why it would not be allowed to become first place.
@@madmechanic7_797 probly because when u make stuff u need to take a count of things that could be going wrong and if u need additives it means u had fault in the way u made it compared to the way it was suppose to how it actualy did
@@StoryMode180 agreed if the cheater does better with the gaskets then it deserves the top spot. and the top 10 need to be retested with gaskets, future tests must be done with gaskets to ensure fair testing
On the suction side of fans a seal for the vacuum is very important just like intakes on cars, any kind of small leak that disturbs the smooth flow will affect performance pretty heavily for suck a small leak
I have the SR. My only gripe with it is the original hot-end for whatever reason had blockage issues. Both nozzles failed within the first few prints. After rebuilding/upgrading the break, nozzle, and block, everything worked great. Seeing the upgrades on the newer version... Very nice.
With the vast diversity of fan designs you get and test, why is there never an airflow vs. static pressure vs. obstruction test? You would only need a 3D-printed set of obstruction plates for your wind tunnel (with holes in them) and a differential air pressure sensor.
You should use those gaskets on all frame type fans for the gasket comparison to count IMO, including the Cheater. Gaskets seal everything, not just the Unswirler.
Man I have been wanting a delta. I was looking at the SR but really wanted direct drive for TPU so I got the QIDI and love it. Butttttt Damn now to tell the wife I need this
A screen shot or two of the webui over wifi would really sell this, it's amazing looking and something people are just not familiar with in the product line.
Ugh, Delta printers are cute. But, way to large for the build print size that you get simply by design. Also too finicky to get quality prints out of for most users. They are fun to watch, and that's about it.
I know you're used to prusa slicer, but the real 400mm test is to use cura with the cura profile they provided. They have might have already done all the fine tuning you were talking about.
I bet you could make some fan screw sized bolts and wingnuts super easy now rather than waste zipties if you decide to go further than this with gaskets. I still really want to see that conglomeration of air systems you rigged up for the bladeless sealed like that!
The V400 looks like the go-to answer for what to do if I give up trying to make my Predator reliable for long prints. My Prusa has definitely sold me on direct extruders.
WOW. EPIC !! I've been preaching Delta's sicne 2015. Direct Drive + those speeds= OMG !!!!!! That might literally be a perfect printer. Well, I guess if it had side panels for heated enclosure, then it would literally do everything a single extruder could possibly do. I've printed polycarbonate on my delta before(open enclosure.) That was not easy, but it did happen. Man Congrats on that printer !! My favorite thing about a delta is that you can save a print >> you can flatten bad layers by hand with the spudger/spatula. You can literally hold the print upright. You can use the spudger/spatula as impromptu support support material. The support spatula.
@@stevenbmw850 Well, I watched some reviews... The machine is still pre-order ? I'd be cautious with this machine/company. I'm curious >> Why do you want me to check out this printer ? I already have a printer ...
@@tdtrecordsmusic well all the things you listed a core xy has, this also has a sealed enclosure, with the added benefit of active vibration cancellation. Seems like something you might be interested in if/when looking for a new one.
I think it's a bit premature to say "it beat the cheater" until you also test the cheater with those gaskets, because it was probably suffering from similar leaks.
damn, I never knew you could print flexible materials with these things, that changes things. and 800 is a lot less than I expected to pay for one too.
I can't remember the channel, but I watched a random video of a guy that made some carb gaskets for his lawnmower to test the longevity. At least in the short term, they seem to be impervious to gas and oil. TPU can be a game changer for folks with old and obscure vehicles and engines and need gaskets or dampeners made.
I have the v400. It is a great machine, but it still lacks some profiles in Cura, except for PLA. The PLA profile is extremely good. If you want to print flexible parts, a simpler model will do fine. I use my old AnyCubic for TPU. Recently found a 85A filament which is a lot softer than 95A. It printed fine. Very clean results. I have repaired so many things just using 3d printed parts. From wheelbarrows to furniture, camera mounts, garden fence etc. Not to mention things I printed to tinker with. Wind generators, rain collectors, housings for outdoor electronics. I am not sure I am breaking even, or ever will, but the stuff is just a great hobby for me.
I still remember my first FLSUN printer. In the first days of home 3D printers they had basic kits. I got them right between supply chain changes for safer stuff. I got the manual for the wrong power supply, and one that was set to the wrong voltage. Needless to say, the wire exploded and connected my arm to mains electricity. shocker. still, it's because of that I was a very early adoper of creality. still using it, too, after most of a decade now.
How dare you not show us the smoke test with the tpu seals on the fan? How dare? You know we want it! lol Looking forward to seeing how this revelation influences the future of fan design!
Dual rails with internally running wheels are stiffer when it comes to twisting(and side-load is definitively a thing with this printer) and this also make the rails far less likely to develop slop over time.
Looking at a 1st printer for work and wondering if this one is beginner friendly. I like the build volume and a lot of the features. Is this one too much printer or would it be skipping over some of the headaches of a cheaper entry level printer.
Buyers, beware, do not buy into the hype and free printers that are given to reviewers. I can tell you you will be lucky to get your order the way most customers have to order in one to two months with tons of excuses. Not the type of company I would want to do business with, and if you did I could imagine the type of support you would get and time delays.
I'm all about resin printers. The detail quality is crazy in comparison. Yes there are advantages of filament printers, like the ability to run 2+ colors or 2+ types of filaments. They are also typically faster and ca print far larger items... but they just do not come even close to the print quality. That huge bust I could print 1" tall and it would still likley have more details that they huge print.
Hello! Always love your content! I just pre-ordered the V400 last week and was curious if you can provide your filament types (Material and Brand) and settings you use in your slicer? Just want to be ready as soon as possible once I get it!
Gaskets or buffer removed should be standard anyway. Cheater dethroned (till further tested with gasket). Imho Also that v400 looks sweet and performs pretty well.
Well they read my mind also then, I have a FLSUN QQ-S PRO I love it BUT I've broken prints trying to get them off the build plate and was wanting to put lights on the head, I'm definitely getting a V400, That plus my QQ-S PRO and once I finish my Voron I'll be set for making the things I want in less time, I don't like leaving the house with them running until I come up with some fire proof enclosures and fire suppression, yes I'm a worry wart because it's the only house I have and my philosophy is never say it will never happen
5:20 those carbon tubes are overkill haha, we use similar if not thinner tubes for suspension in our race car, they are probably not as thick in terms of wall thickness on the printer just found it curious
Looks great, doesn't cost too too much, and definitely an option instead of Prusa. Only downside is sheer physical size, that thing is a behemoth. Also, not sure what the situation is with regards to getting a Revo nozzle system on this one - have it on my Prusa and you'll pry it out of my cold dead hands, never going back to old style nozzles.
Hey Thomas, wouldn't a polar 3D printer be better for fans? Meaning something that has a turntable for the base. This way, the fan blades could be more similar than when using a delta.
Would be cool to see some 200mm fans for a season. I know they're obviously not used for CPU cooling, but maybe have a case with one exhaust fan and the submitted 200mm fan for an intake, with a passive cooler on the CPU? It'd also be neat to see how the air flows through a case with the smoke machine.
Electricity takes the path of least resistance. If something were to brush up against the welding wire as it's being fed, it might change the flow of electricity. Just my assumption.
Maybe it aint about about the gaskets itself, but about the plenum (the added space between the fan and the aligned parts). To proof that, just print your gaskets from PLA and try again! Regarding the FLSUN V400: I am not shure if it is twice as good as the QQ-S pro... but it seems pretty nice though!
I bought the whambam spring steel PEX bed upgrade for my SR, and I'm looking into converting it to a direct drive with either a Sherpa Mini or Orbiter 2.0 I've ordered a bi-metal heat break for it, too.
Hmm I aalso suggest to retest similar fan designs with the gaskets. Also: If the Unswirler beats the Cheater again: Put "Unswirler Fan Edition" on its own ranking place and the OG Unsirler stays on its original place.
Now whenever you do Fan Showdown you should use the gaskets you made, and even maybe give some past fans a chance for some redemption. Could call it "Fan Showdown Redemption"
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Ok so now the cheater with gaskets! For SCIENCE!
This is a must.
^ I agree here. Although there was one that came close to tying the cheater with a little leak.....
Need it!
hell yeah
For the love of christ all mighty, put the cheater with gaskets on that flow test. I bet all my money it will stomp a mud hole in all the other fans.
Fans rating chart should be split into two categories. One with scoop (includes intake and exhaust) and one without. All the ones with scoop, should have gasket installed for fairness. I'm all for best fan design, but having the scoop changes it from something I can print and replace on my stock fan, to something that needs serious case modification to actually be used.
this is the way
maybe 3 groups, with the no scoop category split based on if it extends above the fan body or stays within
I think 2 groups with like 30mm or less thickness and bigger
@@TheWilliamSnfrd This is the way
Definitely this
I think the seals against the noctua fan body should be standard practice going forward. If users want additional seals or a seal of a specific size/shape, then they should provide their own schematics for them.
Not now in the middle of the season so that the results are comparable, but definitely in the next one.
No point in supplying a new seal file if he already has a seal lying around.
@@Pystro it's like you didn't even read what I said. He'd still have the "standard seal" on the fan body. But since people submit fans of all shapes and sizes, there's not gonna be a one size fits all seal. In a situation where a user submits a fan that is either oddly shaped or has multiple stacking parts, then he/she should also provide files for a seal that would fit their design. If not, then only use the standard seal and nothing else.
@@drumlineking07 Agreed, it's like I didn't even read what you said. Oops. Must be because I'm too tired.
Negative... The objective of this channel is it is the users responsibility to apply fluid dynamics to the best of their knowledge. This, would include seals... Stop promoting laziness.
For the new season of Fan Showdown, use those gaskets for all builds. Just use 'em as part of the Noctua fan base.
Seeing the performance gain from the gaskets would it be possible to use them on all multi-stage designs from here on out?
Yeah! It would be! Submitters need to include the gaskets in their designs.
The rubber corners on the fan are what cause it to leak. Even just removing them would be a benefit.
I've been thinking that for a couple of episodes
@@SkillisForNoobs Noctua includes a full rubber gasket for the boxed versions of the A12x25 which are really useful: they fully cover one side of the fan, not just the corners. Just have to swap the corners for it. At the sides it a bit thin so placement can be finicky but worth it.
Not really the cheater didn't have any visible leak in the smoke test it's the first time a leak is apparent in the test
So it more this particular print that is to blame (not flat)
HELL YES
Thank you for listening!
I'm so glad to see the gaskets made a difference
It should be standard policy to include these TPU gaskets unless the design conflicts with their use. PLA isnt great as a seal…Even with the flat design, the TPU was able to seal better.
TPU for all!
Tpu is great for noise too. I switched to it on my laptop cooling thingy and it enabled using a far noisier squirrel cage fan on it without being too loud.
I did also make an intake muffler out of it.
(It's basically just a duct that holds the 100mm squirrel cage fan and goes straight to gpu cooler intake.)
I think we don't really need to custom print a gasket here. Every A12x25 fan comes with a seal for a radiator. I think he should have enough of these to use
In the end, it also depends on surface finish and build plate surface how it seals.. so gasket should be fair
Negative... It should be standard practice to apply fluid dynamics to the best of *YOUR* knowledge. Not, him cover for your lack of attention to detail.
@@DJBillionator it’s not a lack of knowledge when build surfaces and how the design is mounted can have a significant impact… as shown in this video. Two actually flat surfaces mounted well together should provide enough resistance against leaks under these test conditions, yet it didn’t work. FDM printing isn’t perfect. So a consistent application of this gasket would create an even playing field for the designs that have shrouds/exhaust/etc.
I’m telling you guys check out Borg Warner turbos compressor blades, specifically their “extended tip technology” and apply that to your fan designs.
If you want to throw the air out the side, sure go with a turbo type blade... Wheel to be precise, they aren't made to throw air through them, without the housing, the wheel is useless, extended tip or not.
Yeah, I got some extended tip technology for ya right here.
Talk about breaking potential patents. Have to be careful when "copying" another person's or company's product.
@@WLS_Churchill I didn’t say design a whole turbo compressor, I said consider the extended tip technology…
@@meanman6992 The extended tip technology maximise the air flow IN THE HOUSING. It's useless on a fan that isn't a turbo wheel, wich is useless outside of the housing, ya understand ?
Just want to say thanks for all the awesome 3D printing content. I ordered the Q5 over a year ago and had a really hard time getting it to work right, and after a week or two of trying to figure it out I gave up, but kept watching your fan showcase videos. This very week though I have gotten back into it and have gotten some good prints. in that year I managed to learn a lot about blender and 3D modeling so it's all falling into place. :D
The Q5 can be amazing but like all can be finicky and at times disastrous. I’ve gone for a couple months without touching it from issues I couldn’t figure out.
@@jdizzforyou agreed. Above anything it's a great starting point. Mine stopped leveling properly at some point, but you can easily replace the board, extruder, hotend, servos etc over time. Getting that good sturdy base and compact footprint is the true appeal of the at.
@@Charky_Creations and the price I got it at… 159 shipped during a Christmas sale on gearbest 2 years ago 😂
Stock board running marlin with the only upgrade being capricorn tubing.
YES! GASKETS!
It doesn't seem like it would have a big effect but imagine air flows like water, even a tiny hole matters if you are creating pressure. Great work 👍
Air is a fluid so dont have to imagine much
@luuliiquiinteroo3017scam
Love your channel.
Super chill host. A dude in his man cave lab with his dog.
Interacts with the community better than if they were real life friends.
Listens to suggestions and shoots new videos fast.
Finger licking good quality, lighting, music, smoke teeeeeeests.
Thank you so much for the free (to view) contents.
This is the way.
Suggestion: Use the gaskets for all interfaces to the front or back of the A12x25 frame from now on.
This would free us up from having to design our own gaskets, and it frees James up from having to print them.
(printing TPU is a real pain… you have to dry it out and slow the print speed waaaay down.)
Also, test the Cheater with the gaskets, to make it fair.
FLSUN was great and is getting better
i dont get why so few people know and appreciate it
still rocking my q5 because of you
We had a fan beat the cheater and it wasn't even on an episode of fan showdown. This feels like needing to to read a comic book to get all the story for your favorite movie series.
This was a surprisingly good video to watch; I feel like I could watch you print random stuff; or even some showdown stuff on the regular.
For the next season:
1. Remove the vibration dampening corners
2. Use gaskets on all designs
Love you for listening to your fans.
Not that bad for an under 20 minutes benchy, I'm impressed
yes, it seems like an extremely impressive printer
I agree with the notion that gaskets should be standard from now on for fan tests.
Them using Klipper is for some reason genius, the number of times companies tried doing their own thing and falling miserably...
This printer changed the my perception of Delta printers, which I didn't like before.
My printer's stock firmware didn't even have overheat protection, on hardware known for catching on fire.
You should use the seals from now on for future showdowns, it'll make the results more fair cus it'll remove the variable of leaks from the tests. We're trying to determine what fan shape (and sometimes guides) work best, and removing anything else that could cause an issue from the equation will make results more consistent and precise.
im still driving my Q5, on your recommendation. it's done a great job on a ton of projects for me, really glad i got it!
Gasket up the Cheater and lets see who the real champion is. The Unswirler IS the leader now. The design is perfectly fine. You not mounting it well is user error imo.
agreed the cheater has been dethroned
agreed.
Dude…I’ve been watching your videos for a while. You’re so smooth and natural. You could get away with doing some story telling vids. Love what you do.
The revelation that I'd be able to print my own fan and radiator gaskets may be what finally compels me to get into 3D printing
Where r u at one point this hobby now?
This is a very tempting looking printer and I have closer 2,000 hours runtime on my poor SR pushing it to 220 mm/s with the only upgrade being 5015 cooling fans
I'm so jealous. I just bought a Sherpa direct extruder and mounted it on my SR, and I installed Klipper with a touchscreen running mainsail. They did everything I did, plus they beefed up the arms and increased the build volume. I want it so bad.
^When Eric Smith walks into a car dealership when he doesn't need anything and a salesman slaps the roof of a new vehicle.
@@Oblithian Hey, I have space for two deltas in my life, the kids should be moving out soon. If the salesman talks to his manager, do you think he could get me a free undercoating? I heard it really helps these printers stand up to puddles and rock salt.
Drop details I’ll ship 1 out.
I'm glad I could participate in this idea of gasket, thanks to listen to us 👍🏻
Love your channel, inspiring people to just try stuff and then implementing their ideas just to see what happens, you are an enabler of stuff. A legend.
One problem with the Noctua is the rubberized corners that prevent a good seal.
I converted my Ender 3 to a direct drive with a $35 kit and never looked back. The almost complete lack of stringing easily makes up for the need to slow down the outer-most wall to avoid ringing. Plus I can just crank up the print speed for the inner walls to make up for it, since the direct drive's material-extruded-vs-estop curve is far flatter.
I converted one of my E3s to direct drive with a printed polycarbonate bracket a good quality titan clone and a spare stepper i had. Works fantastic even for tpu.
I bought the Q5 mainly after seeing your review of it. I had considered the SR or V400 as a 2nd printer, but went with the Anycubic Kobra Plus instead. My only real issue with the Delta-style is the round bed. The Q5 at a diameter of 200mm equates to a square area of approx. 141x141mm. So you're basically sacrificing up to 30% of the bed the closer you get to a square print.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Q5 and it is great for smaller prints, but I am finding the square build plate easier to work with for modeling.
Maj. Hardware, you should get a small articulating arm to put that monitor on. Then you can attach it to the machine itself and still view it from any angle. A good brand I've found is called SmallRig (typically for camera or audio use)
noooo it beat the cheater! one must automatically assume that the surfaces are sealed unless specifically designed that way. the fact it was designed flat means it should have sealed and any warpage from printing MUST be disregarded..... the cheater has officially been beaten
But how would the cheater run with the gaskets becomes the next question?
I agree, the intended design did not contain any leakages and the design is shown to be better in this test, I am not sure why it would not be allowed to become first place.
@@madmechanic7_797 probly because when u make stuff u need to take a count of things that could be going wrong and if u need additives it means u had fault in the way u made it compared to the way it was suppose to how it actualy did
@@madmechanic7_797 it's the rubber gaskets on the fan that make it leak.
@@StoryMode180 agreed if the cheater does better with the gaskets then it deserves the top spot. and the top 10 need to be retested with gaskets, future tests must be done with gaskets to ensure fair testing
Got my first printer a month or two ago: Prusa MK3S+. Already has well over 1000 hours on the clock and it's nothing short of perfection
On the suction side of fans a seal for the vacuum is very important just like intakes on cars, any kind of small leak that disturbs the smooth flow will affect performance pretty heavily for suck a small leak
I have the SR.
My only gripe with it is the original hot-end for whatever reason had blockage issues. Both nozzles failed within the first few prints.
After rebuilding/upgrading the break, nozzle, and block, everything worked great.
Seeing the upgrades on the newer version... Very nice.
With the vast diversity of fan designs you get and test, why is there never an airflow vs. static pressure vs. obstruction test? You would only need a 3D-printed set of obstruction plates for your wind tunnel (with holes in them) and a differential air pressure sensor.
Q5 was my first printer. It’s still going strong!
You should use those gaskets on all frame type fans for the gasket comparison to count IMO, including the Cheater. Gaskets seal everything, not just the Unswirler.
Man I have been wanting a delta. I was looking at the SR but really wanted direct drive for TPU so I got the QIDI and love it. Butttttt Damn now to tell the wife I need this
A screen shot or two of the webui over wifi would really sell this, it's amazing looking and something people are just not familiar with in the product line.
Ugh, Delta printers are cute. But, way to large for the build print size that you get simply by design. Also too finicky to get quality prints out of for most users. They are fun to watch, and that's about it.
I know you're used to prusa slicer, but the real 400mm test is to use cura with the cura profile they provided. They have might have already done all the fine tuning you were talking about.
Used your link for pre-order! I've been waiting for a large volume delta since the failed IVI printer
Wow. Great Location in background !!!!
I bet you could make some fan screw sized bolts and wingnuts super easy now rather than waste zipties if you decide to go further than this with gaskets. I still really want to see that conglomeration of air systems you rigged up for the bladeless sealed like that!
you gotta try the cheater with the gaskets
The V400 looks like the go-to answer for what to do if I give up trying to make my Predator reliable for long prints. My Prusa has definitely sold me on direct extruders.
its bizzare to realize this is that same room we saw you building way back then- i keep forgetting that
WOW. EPIC !! I've been preaching Delta's sicne 2015. Direct Drive + those speeds= OMG !!!!!! That might literally be a perfect printer. Well, I guess if it had side panels for heated enclosure, then it would literally do everything a single extruder could possibly do. I've printed polycarbonate on my delta before(open enclosure.) That was not easy, but it did happen.
Man Congrats on that printer !!
My favorite thing about a delta is that you can save a print >> you can flatten bad layers by hand with the spudger/spatula. You can literally hold the print upright. You can use the spudger/spatula as impromptu support support material. The support spatula.
You should check out the carbon x1 from bambu labs
@@stevenbmw850 Well, I watched some reviews... The machine is still pre-order ? I'd be cautious with this machine/company. I'm curious >> Why do you want me to check out this printer ? I already have a printer ...
@@tdtrecordsmusic well all the things you listed a core xy has, this also has a sealed enclosure, with the added benefit of active vibration cancellation. Seems like something you might be interested in if/when looking for a new one.
I think it's a bit premature to say "it beat the cheater" until you also test the cheater with those gaskets, because it was probably suffering from similar leaks.
damn, I never knew you could print flexible materials with these things, that changes things. and 800 is a lot less than I expected to pay for one too.
I can't remember the channel, but I watched a random video of a guy that made some carb gaskets for his lawnmower to test the longevity. At least in the short term, they seem to be impervious to gas and oil. TPU can be a game changer for folks with old and obscure vehicles and engines and need gaskets or dampeners made.
I have the v400. It is a great machine, but it still lacks some profiles in Cura, except for PLA. The PLA profile is extremely good.
If you want to print flexible parts, a simpler model will do fine. I use my old AnyCubic for TPU. Recently found a 85A filament which is a lot softer than 95A. It printed fine. Very clean results.
I have repaired so many things just using 3d printed parts. From wheelbarrows to furniture, camera mounts, garden fence etc. Not to mention things I printed to tinker with. Wind generators, rain collectors, housings for outdoor electronics.
I am not sure I am breaking even, or ever will, but the stuff is just a great hobby for me.
Excellent use of the gasket - if you're using one in the future, remove the corner isolators off the plastic fan housing.
Factory installed Klipper! Nice! I love Klipper! I run it on my 2 Ender 5 plus'
I absolutely love my Q5 and this new printer is the first one to tempt me into wanting a new an upgrade!
I still remember my first FLSUN printer. In the first days of home 3D printers they had basic kits. I got them right between supply chain changes for safer stuff. I got the manual for the wrong power supply, and one that was set to the wrong voltage. Needless to say, the wire exploded and connected my arm to mains electricity. shocker. still, it's because of that I was a very early adoper of creality. still using it, too, after most of a decade now.
Can you publish those fan gaskets please? They'd make great vibration dampeners for cheapo fans!
I like how the printer seems to be really quiet. But man, those Delta Printers are huge.
How dare you not show us the smoke test with the tpu seals on the fan? How dare? You know we want it! lol
Looking forward to seeing how this revelation influences the future of fan design!
A great review. Since you have the equipment, you should measure the sound quality of the printer.
Dual rails with internally running wheels are stiffer when it comes to twisting(and side-load is definitively a thing with this printer) and this also make the rails far less likely to develop slop over time.
The shape makes it fit nicely in a corner..
The build volume on deltas is conical at the top.... Just something to consider when mentioning build volume
Thanks for making these videos for us these are entertaining and high quality.
Just got fun you should test the difference on the cheater with gaskets. Great stuff as always.
Looking at a 1st printer for work and wondering if this one is beginner friendly. I like the build volume and a lot of the features. Is this one too much printer or would it be skipping over some of the headaches of a cheaper entry level printer.
My SRs Extruder SCREAMED until I put the rubber isolation mount on it then it got nice and quiet :)
Buyers, beware, do not buy into the hype and free printers that are given to reviewers. I can tell you you will be lucky to get your order the way most customers have to order in one to two months with tons of excuses. Not the type of company I would want to do business with, and if you did I could imagine the type of support you would get and time delays.
I'm all about resin printers. The detail quality is crazy in comparison. Yes there are advantages of filament printers, like the ability to run 2+ colors or 2+ types of filaments. They are also typically faster and ca print far larger items... but they just do not come even close to the print quality. That huge bust I could print 1" tall and it would still likley have more details that they huge print.
Hello! Always love your content! I just pre-ordered the V400 last week and was curious if you can provide your filament types (Material and Brand) and settings you use in your slicer? Just want to be ready as soon as possible once I get it!
That thing is FAST. I gotta get one.
My brother bought this but doesn't have time to make stuff with it, so he's going to bring it down the next time he visits me!
Gaskets or buffer removed should be standard anyway. Cheater dethroned (till further tested with gasket). Imho
Also that v400 looks sweet and performs pretty well.
Well they read my mind also then, I have a FLSUN QQ-S PRO I love it BUT I've broken prints trying to get them off the build plate and was wanting to put lights on the head, I'm definitely getting a V400, That plus my QQ-S PRO and once I finish my Voron I'll be set for making the things I want in less time, I don't like leaving the house with them running until I come up with some fire proof enclosures and fire suppression, yes I'm a worry wart because it's the only house I have and my philosophy is never say it will never happen
5:20 those carbon tubes are overkill haha, we use similar if not thinner tubes for suspension in our race car, they are probably not as thick in terms of wall thickness on the printer just found it curious
Now you need an extruder camera to go with the light.
I don't need this...but I NEED this!
2:08 look at how fast the 3d printer ran
i think all your showdown fans would improve with a good gasket! but good shit bro! love it
Looks great, doesn't cost too too much, and definitely an option instead of Prusa. Only downside is sheer physical size, that thing is a behemoth. Also, not sure what the situation is with regards to getting a Revo nozzle system on this one - have it on my Prusa and you'll pry it out of my cold dead hands, never going back to old style nozzles.
Hey Thomas, wouldn't a polar 3D printer be better for fans? Meaning something that has a turntable for the base. This way, the fan blades could be more similar than when using a delta.
Geez, if the Cheater had some gaskets, it would be even more of a beast
Would be cool to see some 200mm fans for a season. I know they're obviously not used for CPU cooling, but maybe have a case with one exhaust fan and the submitted 200mm fan for an intake, with a passive cooler on the CPU? It'd also be neat to see how the air flows through a case with the smoke machine.
...Guess I need to tweak and resubmit, then sit around hoping to make the show!...
For future tests using a gasket should be the default way to go really, unless a designer opts-out.
The vain section should be on the back side of the fan and an inlet bell on the front
Direct drive extruders just make sense. I'm surprised welders don't have thin profile direct drive wire feeders.
Electricity takes the path of least resistance. If something were to brush up against the welding wire as it's being fed, it might change the flow of electricity. Just my assumption.
The guide rails were probably swapped because they get rusty after a while, and they have far too much play. I have to replace two of my rails already
Waiting for the aurora tech review, then I'll probably preorder.
You have to test the cheater too with gaskets. You've never done that, but now especially when you're comparing gasketed fan to one with no gaskets.
Oh, you had to zoom out to get the new printer in the shot. XD
Yeah, that's an absolute unit, but then, deltas do tend to grow vertically.
Have you seen the Bambu Labs X1 Carbon? It can do a 17 minute benchy from a stock profile, and it actually comes out good
Maybe it aint about about the gaskets itself, but about the plenum (the added space between the fan and the aligned parts). To proof that, just print your gaskets from PLA and try again!
Regarding the FLSUN V400: I am not shure if it is twice as good as the QQ-S pro... but it seems pretty nice though!
I crave this stuff every thursday 😃
I bought the whambam spring steel PEX bed upgrade for my SR, and I'm looking into converting it to a direct drive with either a Sherpa Mini or Orbiter 2.0
I've ordered a bi-metal heat break for it, too.
Obvious fake account
Hmm I aalso suggest to retest similar fan designs with the gaskets. Also: If the Unswirler beats the Cheater again: Put "Unswirler Fan Edition" on its own ranking place and the OG Unsirler stays on its original place.
Now whenever you do Fan Showdown you should use the gaskets you made, and even maybe give some past fans a chance for some redemption.
Could call it "Fan Showdown Redemption"
Great Review !!!
Thank you