How To Deal With Troubling Hadith With Muntasir Zaman
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Muntasir Zaman is a phenomenally articulate erudite and traditionally healed young man. his work is an asset to hadith interpretation for our times.
_Masha'Allah he gives daily morning reminders after Fajr Salah in our ICI Masjid_
As a recent convert who has been struggling with this Hadith today, this video has been recommended to me at the perfect time. Alhamdidullah!
Kudos to you i am also revert from India you are from which country
😳 OMG
right now I was just troubling about such types of Hadith
&
came across the topic I needed the most.
Paul Williams 👍👌
ALLAH really listens what troubles inside us.❣️
Heart is the way to seek guidance and knowledge. ♥️
1. prophet was 61 , 63, or 65 when he died pbuh. all in Sahih granted the majority say 63, that mean the other 2 figures are wrong. Is it an issue? NO.. so the same with other hadiths..
2. As long as hadith does not lead to halal/haram, or about creed, you can accept it or doubt it PROVIDING that your intention is pure and you have thoroughly researched it. that is it. Or research well and decide with good intention. For example Aisha age for sure was 14 or 16, possibly older, not as was said. And I have long argument point by point from many scholars. Although I am aware in many countries marriage age was 10 or 12 Delaware state was 7 with consent of parents anyways only a century ago.
3. Allah ultimately knows that your mind genuinely rejected that hadith (obviously not because prophet pbuh said and you don't believe it) rather you doubt its attribution to the prophet or , error in transmission.
I do that with few hadith in Sahih.. and sleep well at night.. it is all about your intention! And Allah knows what is my intention, people may differ, fine, may cling to it fine, may question my faith , well I leave them to Allah, they may destroy their deeds if they are wrong. anyways those hadith would not count more than 10 or 13 ones out of THOUSANDS not even a 1% of the whole collection.
Me too, I was making duaa for understanding hadiths better then this video pops up
They’re Spreading culture and calling it religion - They took the desert clothing that is needed in sand storms and called it religion
Most of the various religious groups were ALREADY wearing it in the desert for a long long time.
NO ladies’HIJAB found in the Quran.
The word HIJAB is used in the Quran but not for ladies.
Check these Ayath/verses that they say have Hijab in them. (But not found)
In Quran 33.59 - “ … JILBAB over themselves…”
in Quran 24.31 - “… Khimar over the Jayb..”
The word is KHIMAR in the Quran.24.31
- Root Meaning of KHIMAR is just a COVERING,
it can also be a neck scarf, any scarf, dupatta, chadar, etc.
There is no head, hair, veil, niqab or any such importance in the Quran,
transliteration of Q24.31: “yadribna bi’Khumur’ihinna ala juyoob’ihinna”
[Plurals : khumur, juyoob]
Quran 24.31 (see the part of the verse they say has hijab )
// *..put forth the Khimars OVER THE JAYBs…*//
KHIMAR = COVERING
and
JAYB just means OPENING
example in //Quran 28.32 (part)
“…. yadaka fee jayb’ika …”. //
“… put your hand in your Jayb..”
- like an opening in a dress, deep-neck, like shirt pocket - is a jayb
(or) some people translate it as chest/ bosoms coz that’s where the Jayb is.
Look at where the importance is in the verse:
“COVERING over the Jayb”
- but the EXPLANATIONS of ‘Sect’ /Firqa leaders promoted the concept of ladies’HIJAB
- by adding it in books written much later after the Quran AND by adding words with brackets in translations and explanations
- AND also these Firqa leaders wrote the Dictionary centuries later to push their meanings
- please ask them : when and who wrote the Dictionary that they show their meanings from?
We should not accept new meanings to the words after the word is used in the Quran
- in the present era the meanings can be understood by checking the same word usage within the Quran
- see where the word is used again.
QURAN is it’s own DICTIONARY within it - (by using the important words in other verses and locking the meanings).
They should know when the same root word is used for intoxicants even then it’s used for COVER
- any intoxicant or alcohol COVERS the ability INSIDE the mind -
Please NOTE : khumur /intoxicants/ALCOHOL does NOT cover the HAIR or outer-head.
How can a religion claiming to be for the whole world - promote desert clothing for far off freezing lands?
IF anyone wants TO FOLLOW WORDS OF ALLAH then they should verify with the Quran - coz every secondary source should match with the Quran
AND they should not add words in translations.
JILBAB:
Means any decent OUTER CLOTHING worn above the under-garments - it’s plural is JALABIB
The verse in the Quran 33.59 is about JILBAB - it’s about wearing outer clothing - where it also says that “they can be RECOGNISED and NOT HARASSED”
So the condition is to be recognised :
how will anyone RECOGNISE if you cover fully?
- So avoid tight clothing - it’s really simple as per Quran.
Wearing clothes that the security personnel and other people are scared of coz they cannot recognise the person inside - as a result you face difficulty and then that results in feeling harassed.
Check the verse Q.33.59 below and remember that some translations or interpretations have added words in brackets - so look at Arabic /or word-to-word translation to VERIFY, yes VERIFY.
“… alay’ihinna min jalabib’ihinna… “
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//Quran 33.59
O Prophet! Ask your wives, daughters, and believing women to draw their JILBAB over themselves .
In this way it is more likely that they will be RECOGNISED
and not be HARASSED.
And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful//
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Notice it’s only talking about properly covering themselves - there is NO emphasis on head, hair, face covering in this verse also.
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Some of them will not VERIFY what is in the Quran - word by word.
And you may get to see how they will jump to start calling IGNORANT and names to the person showing them the research.
Covering is mentioned in Qur'an and all muslim ladies cover themselves with niqab, hijab
Covering h iska ye matlab nhi h ki sirf kapra pehenne se cover ho jayega pura cover niqab, hijab se hi hota h
I have the Honor of being in the presence of this Scholar on a regular basis. Alhamdilullah.
Assalamualaikum, Abdullah Qaim. You are blessed. May Allah continue to shower his blessings upon you. Ameen.
Oh I love this topic...feeling that I had so many times. And always just giving up the struggle to complete the process of authentication, analyzing and accepting final verdict of certain hadiths
Nor God nor his prophet ever ordered hadith books to be written and quran says it's enough but people think they know better than God...heck even in hadith books there are hadiths saying not to write anything except quran 😂🤦♂️ muslims did what jews did with talmud basically...made up a new religion that trashed reputation of islam...
This should be a major red flag. U keep coming across problematic teachings and then have to go to people to tell u that they are all wrong. Except till now they were considered correct. I mean what even is Islam? U pick and choose and edit to make what suits u
This process of identifying authentic hadith is 1200 years old and we pick up authentic hadith because many unauthentic hadith were written by hypocrite people
Thank you very much my brother Paul for raising these questions at the end, the difficulty with presenting an academic piece for the general public is always getting a misconstrued idea of the topic due to not seeing the "full picture", and your questions did a great job at filling out some points that may raise issues or doubts. May Allah reward you for your work and help you maintain the most pure of intentions.
Much needed discussion!
Thanks Paul and the guest!
Thank you Paul for such a wonderful discussion and presentation.
Welcome brother Muntasir! Allah bless you and Paul! A brillant topic!
Nor God nor his prophet ever ordered hadith books to be written and quran says it's enough but people think they know better than God...heck even in hadith books there are hadiths saying not to write anything except quran 😂🤦♂️ muslims did what jews did with talmud basically...made up a new religion that trashed reputation of islam...
Phenomenal. For me, this is the best interview on Blogging Theology.
Interesting! And I have to say that - Masya Allah - brother Muntasir is very well articulated in this field. Thank you both
Thank you for offering this topic!
An excellent and meticulous scholarship and a very thought provoking and humbling discussion. Thank you, both.
One of the best episodes. Absolutely love this channel. You are most welcome sir!
Thank you for this session. I would like to point out though that its only because of the humility of our scholars that they themselves don't want to be called with titles etc but it is our duty as laymen to give them the correct title just as we would to a doctor or a professor etc but to an even higher level and degree to the inheritors of the prophets (alayhim assalaam).
It's Mufti Muntasir Zaman.
BaarakAllahu feekum.
Very interesting explanation. Today I learnt hadis explanation is really a science . Thanks brother Paul for opening my eye.
I think this was a very wise approach to this topic, may God reward you both
Wow thanks paul and muntaser
Awesome! 👌 Loved the way how he engaged Traditional learning with modern academic knowledge without compromising the Hadith Corpus!
Worth watching ♥️
So much yet left to learn.
Incredible job.
Adam's height is a non-issue for me. Some scientists and archeologists always assume they have all the answers until they are proven wrong. We don't have all the info because most things don't even fossilize for us to find. If you can believe the giant animals from the pass turned into small animals (look at giant sloth to sloth, dinosaur to bird, different elephant sizes etc), this particular hadith is not that hard to accept.
Adam migth have lived much earlier than people think, we don't have the exact date, humans, animals and plants migth have been much larger that time, certainly giants are a common concept in stories around the world (idea remained in collective uncouncious). Environment can make creatures smaller or bigger, and because people gained height in the later centuries, people assume that nobody shrinked in size in the pass.
I read some complicated scholars opinion of adam being 60 cubit only in samawat
I agree. I've also read somewhere, the oxygen in those days might even be poisonous to modern human. i have no problems Adam pbuh might've been a giant.
@@hasanrazza1 look into husn al dhan before making assumptions mate
JazakAllah Khair!
wow, ... thanks to both of you, ...
Nice to see a fellow graduate from South Africa, my home. May Allah bless you and your teachers. I love the way Paul simplifies these discussions for the audience. Truly appreciated.
There is one thing I would like to add as a somewhat student of science: everything we know today about history and science is based on our bias or perspective of the world. We assume that the biology of Adam AS is the same as ours and we assume that he needed a horse or any other creature comforts which we need today or even a 1000 years ago. After all, was Adam not created from clay? How would one explain that in the realm of science? We don't even have a time frame in Islam for when Adam was created, it could have been millions of years ago. Are we suggesting that we have anough scientific knowledge to know exactly what humans would have looked like millions of years ago? We use our knowledge of today as a basis for arguments about history, this a human bias that we unfortunately cannot escape. We must not forget how certain Aristotle was about about his theory of gravity, and how wrong he was. People accepted what he said as truth for more than a 1000 years. It does not mean that if we are correct about one particular aspect of science, that we can extend our judgements to everything. We should be humble.
Wonderful!!!!
What an amazing knowledgable humble young man - thank you Paul
In the end it turns out that he gives current scientific understanding more weight than it deserves while also not being aware of the many findings of rather large people well documented. I highly encourage him to take a closer look at the “science” and real documented discoveries that for some reason are not being discussed because they go against evolution.
the "findings" of large people are all hoaxes unfortunately.
JazakALLAHukhairan
Appreciated.
JazakAllahu khairan
God bless you both 🤲
Great topic
Muntasir is a good communicator
This was fascinating.... certainly not boring.... I didn't realize that hadith science posed many challenges to the Great scholars many centuries ago..
May Allah. Grant mufti Taha from Cape Town a high place in jannah. Ameen
Mufti Muntasir ❤️❤️❤️
This is only %50 of the story.
I studied science and there is a big difference between public knowledge and true science. True science is much less definitive than publicly admitted. I suggest Mr. Williams to make a following video with a scientist to demonstrate this concept.
Nice work.
I do hold the opinion that Hadith science is itself an archeological science. When you want to weight objects a standard is needed. You cannot compare two things that themselves vary over time. That is why we have the sun and the moon. The Quran should remain in such methodology as the way to address any hadiths, that can dim its light.
"Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination, It is not but a revelation revealed"
All the prophet saw Words are revelation and like any tree it will be connected to something that nourished it in the soil of the Quran. It will never depart from it.
I made a while ago a video called Islam pathway where I presented my perspective. Hopefully your comments may help clarify some aspects.
Paul Allah has gifted you with faith ,so that the born and usually unthinking Muslims may have their doubts removed without the fear of being dubbed blasphemous. Your ability to sense the areas of doubt and raise issues is a tremendous divine gift.Dedicate yourself to this onerous task and go on to help the faithfuls.Thanks
“There is no god but He: That is the witness of Allah, His angels, and those endued with knowledge, standing firm on justice. There is no god but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise” [Quran, 3:18].
“And those who strive in Our (cause), - We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right” [Quran, 29:69].
Say (to the people O’ Muhammad): ‘Do you wish to teach Allah about your Din (complete way of life) whereas Allah knows all that is contained in the Heavens and all that is upon the Earth; and surely Allah has complete knowledge of everything. (49:16).
Doubt is a part of the tests we all will go through in this life. It's best for us not to overwhelmed by it. Rather we should wait patiently and pray to Allah for removing such thing from our minds and hearts with best of answers.
I have seen many people these days, specially youngsters question their faith and religion when they barely have the patience to look for the answers. Many lose their faith.
Faith is not like Fast Food that you go and grab one instant.
Faith is like a good homemade meal, that you spend time and labour to prepare. Then you taste and enjoy it with comfort in the end.
So be Patient dear brothers and sisters.
Sidi Muntasir. I humbly would love your views on the Bukhari-gate that Mufti Abu Layth discussed a few years back.
This is "first of a kind" finding In the miraculous nature of Quran
The word Messiah is mention 11 times in
Quran
The first time is in surah
(3:45)
The word Messiah is the 11-th
Word in the verse (3:45)
Remember when the angels proclaimed, "O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest 'to Allah".
idh qālati l-malāikatu yāmaryamu inna l laha yubashiruki bikalimatin min'hu us'muhu I-masīḥu īsā ub'nu maryama wajihan fi l dun'yā wal-akhirati wamina l-muqarabīna
Credit to both gentlemen, one for elucidating the hadith in question and the other for not interrupting the former. I’m sure the audience here agree with me. Shukran brothers!
That ending nearly made me cry - wow
Why should we understand the Quran in light of science ? Science is a work in progress ever changing.
Thanks
Thanks! Could you also include and extrapolate to discuss the historical strengh and hight of AAD AND THAMOUD People?
Many thanks Isbeddelka Socda!
@@BloggingTheology Dr. Sami al Amiri would be a perfect guess for this subject
Nor God nor his prophet ever ordered hadith books to be written and quran says it's enough but people think they know better than God...heck even in hadith books there are hadiths saying not to write anything except quran 😂🤦♂️ muslims did what jews did with talmud basically...made up a new religion that trashed reputation of islam...
@@Bambotb who ordered that the Qur'an should be compiled in a book as you have it today? Nor God neither his Prophet. Good luck
@@BloggingTheology that would be rlly interesting
Omgggg I was just at a halal butcher with this Shaykh besides me a couple of days ago in Dallas!!! Hahaha small world!
MaSha ALLAH
Why is it hard to accept prophet Adam being tall? What’s next are we going to say it’s impossible for prophet Nuh to live hundreds of years?
It cannot be true, simple....do you have an idea about history and archeology. Sahih Bukhari is not equal to the Quran
@@OH4MAN So you accept that Adam, Nuh and the first people lived around 1000 years, Musa split the sea, Isa raised the dead with the permission of Allah, Muhammad ﷺ split the moon, yet Adam being tall is not possible? 😂
@@adelow Ignorant ..being tall is not in the Qur'an
@@adelow Well said. I’m having a hard time understanding what’s wrong with this Hadith. On the other hand, I understand when a Hadith is narrated from different ways and each have an extra phrase we can check which one is stronger.
May Allah guide us
@@OH4MAN Get your brain checked. There are so many miracles mentioned in the Quran, for example, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ splitting the moon, Isa ﷺ raising the dead, Musa ﷺ splitting the sea, etc... According to your logic, you should also deny those miracles. Btw, you're not even a Muslim. Hadith rejectors are not Muslims.
Interesting video. Hadith science has a long history of works dealing with difficult hadith. Among the two best known early works are ‘Ta'wil Mukhtalif al-Hadith’ (An Interpretation of Differing Hadith) by Ibn Qutayba (d. 276H), some 500 pages in the Arabic, followed by al-Tahawi’s (d. 321H) voluminous ‘Sharh Mushkil al-Athar’ (An Explanation of Difficult Narrations), which met with a 16 volume edition in 1994. Before them, al-Shafi’i (d. 204H) has sections on differing hadith in his famous Al-Risala (published and translated) and how to resolve such reports.
One of your best interview/discussion ...I would also suggest to get a knowledgeable Ashari scholar, who can explain the ashari creed because I have seen salafis strawmanning ashari creed most of the times.
Salafist...the most arrogant group of people.
There's no strawmanning. Asharis (the knowledgeable ones at least), believe the Qu'ran that we have is just an expression of a "Kalam Nafsi" and that the "Lafdh" (utterance) of the Qu'ran is created, which is blasphemy by consensus of the Salaf.
The flies has come...
@@kljbraw4517 thanks for proving my point
@@GrumpX Where exactly are these Hadiths that we take?
Also, they aren’t kuffar they’re people of innovation.
Human height is increasing overall not decreasing at least for last few centuries.
No it's decrease
We are not talking about the last few centuries but rather millions of years ago or hundreds of thousands of years ago
Totally agree with his conclusion it’s the obvious position and this shows the scholarship of Deobandi scholars…
The study(s) about the changes in the height of humanity over time were not evaluated in this presentation. It is as if it is settled. This kind of research can change in future archeological studies.
Deoband are renowned Hadith interpreters. If a person wants to study the six books and the two Muwattas then Pakistan, India or South Africa is the place to go. I’m not a Deobandi but I have immense respect for them and Mufti takki I have bought many of his Arabic books especially on modern transactions.
I have scoured through translated Talmud copies. For example Rabbbi Meir of 1 CE and Rabbi Elazar of 1 CE both refer to Adam as very tall. Per Rabbi Meir 100 ells. Historically at that time Ells = cubit. Rabbi Elazar mentions his reduction after transgression. Also footprint of Adam being 70 ells. To me, a very strong case of Israeliat. However this thought does open further lines of required due diligence.
A little correction. Rabi Meir and Rabbi Elazar are from 2nd Century C.E. not 1st. So the topic of Adamic height, perfection of Adamic creation etc. were rabbinical "ooinions" as documented in Mishnah and Talmud from jewish sources as early as 120 C.E. I donot know what is the theological position of Talmud and Mishnah which are mostly discussions, sermons of Rabi's.
@@rfarooqi why do you care about his height. What a idiotic thing to focus on.
@@buridah328 I care to know the what truth that our prophet SAW has said.
@@rfarooqi what’s height gonna change
@@buridah328 Let's ask this question to Mustandir for writing his book with this title and from Paul on running this talk about Mustansirs book. The bigger issue is hermeneutics. I am deeply appreciative if how the author has systematized the approach if dealing with the issue.
Mr.Paul has made a video on Isaac Newton being a potential Muslim.
We believe the Quran has been preserved not because of the peity and authenticity of the people who memorized it but because God himself promised to guard it in every sense
And also it is evident that we have only one Quranic manuscripture for 1400 years
But genuinely without any bias motives am puzzled how do we trust the hadith?
Like even if they were pious ancestors isn't man's work always fallible?
I find it really hard to believe in any Hadith rather it's easier for me to accept that some verses in the Quran are not understandable since we lack the context of it but that in no way make the authenticity of the book questionable
It's a flaw in our inheritant defect
May Allah arrahman guide us and make us die upoun his true Deen
Aameen aameen yarabbal aalameen
Buddhism has believed and preached this since the time of Buddha, humans were said to be very tall and live very long, and they the centuries, a yuga which is 4320000000 years eventually they say humans will only be about a foot tall and only LIVE TEN YEARS and such will be the state of life then- but Buddhism is cyclical so then after a certain point beings will start getting taller again and living longer again all over again- *** on a side note there is Buddhist sutras that describe how the world system will end, being destroyed by fire again and again but then a final dissolution before it starts over again***. Most of this is recalled by memory so it’s not verbatim
This one is awesome......I think Scientifically it does correlated.
Ancient Human but not Homonid is bigger......just wait for new dicovery after the Denissovan fossils.
Does this video discuss just the Adam Hadith or troubling Hadiths in general? because there are many that I wrestle with, like the one that says the sun rises from the horns of Satan or the one that says the prophet ordered the killing of all dogs than changed his mind to just the black dogs or the one for stoning monkeys for Zina... ext.
If anyone can help Allah will reward you.
Simple declare it unauthentic.
I used to feel some of the hadith were Troubling, but the older u Get the more wisdom one see in the commandments of God
Subhaanallaah
Asalamu o Alaikum . Brothers I’ve been looking up hadees to get any reference regarding what to do if someone disrespects our Prophet (pbuh). What I have come to see is that in certain south Asian countries people hold strong belief that if someone disrespects prophet (pbuh) he or she needs to be killed . Their justification is that if we love our prophet (pbuh) then anyone disrespects him must die . Now I been looking up hadees for any references that can support this but I can’t find any . There is a hadees about Prophet (pbuh) ordering an assassination of a rich poet but that was not because he was disrespecting Prophe (pbuh) personally but attacking the Muslim community and Muslim women particularly . Do you think you can dig into this subject and discuss . I think it really needs to be cleared with strong evidence from authentic hadees . If it is allowed then what are the circumstances ? What are the implications in todays societies where we have legal institutes? Is it a responsibility of a individual ?
I think it’s worth discussing to spread awareness to people with less educational background .
Have scholars past or present questioned or argued about the need to accept the legitimacy of these types of hadith based on the articles of faith? Unfortunately, many lay people are under the assumption that accepting Sahih hadith or not conflates with belief (unbelief) no matter the content.
Moreover, If we accept that the PSAW infact said these words, then have we asked, was the hadith necessarily meant to convey religious import in relation to belief or was the narration meant for informational purposes. Perhaps it was handed down through the past traditions of the people of the book. Furthermore, what was the context? Whom was he addressing? Was there any significance in terms of belief? Was the narration intended to be factual or was it meant to convey generic "truths".
Peace, mercy and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon all of you. Please Paul could you go and watch Lady in Heaven and then analyse it in an objective and thorough manner with a knowledgeable guest in the subject. That would be appreciated. Also a programme with Vikram Sampath and Imran Mulla with regards to the History of India. Which is the accurate view or both points of view and let people decide. Such divisive personalities need to be shown a different perspective.
Hyperbole and phrases not meant to be taken literally were pretty common back then. Not to mention Hadith was gathered in the Umayyad era, their history speaks for themselves.
Isn't the answer to this problem right in front of our faces. It is clear that the hadith is referring to the size of Adam in Jannah (because it mentions the angels) not the size of Adam as he was when sent to the earth. It stands to reason that when Adam was sent down to earth he was a reduced version than the Adam created by Allah's 'Hands' and who resided in Jannah. Can some thing that existed in Heaven even exist on this earth without being reduced considering the awesome nature of forces in heaven?
Before the dinosaurs were discovered, if anyone was asked " do you think dinosaurs exist"... most people would have said no wayyyyy..I think.
Therefore sizes/heights of animals were greatly reduced....
People who are having difficulty with the Islamic literature need the just link Adam (alyasalam) with dinosaurs modern humans with today's animals.
Dinosaurs - Adam
Modern human - modern animals
I am not saying Adam alaysalm lived at the time of the dinosaurs, I just trying to say dinosaurs existed with unimaginable sizes and heights but today's animals are like modern humans....
Read Chapter 45, verses 1 to 6. Stop, reflect, think especially on verse 45:6, which do not require any consultation or interpretation. And you will see and understand how God teaches us how to deal with any hadith, each of them. Just read 45:6.
And read chapter 3 verses 31-32 what allah calls those whom refuse to follow the prophet.
“Say, ‘if you really love Allah, then follow me. Allah will love you and he will forgive your sins. And Allah is forgiving and merciful.
Say, ‘obey Allah and the messenger.’ But if they turn away, then indeed, allah does not love the disbelievers.”
Anyone who claims to follow only the quran and not the sunnah of prophet is a kafir. Rather they don’t even follow the quran because of this any many other verses.
@@user-gj1ru9oe7h
31:6 and 77:50
@@salihahmetaj great deflection of the verses I sent 👍
I have two qurans, one reads ملك يوم الدين “maliki yawmi addeen” (king of the day of judgment) and the other reads مالك يوم الدين “maaliki yawmi addeen” (owner of the day of judgment)
Which one is the correct recitation?
@@user-gj1ru9oe7h What do you want me to say? You are indirectly declaring that Qur'an have contradictions! If the verses I have referenced clearly are against Hadiths and your referenced verses, according to you, promote hadiths than you are declaring contradictions are present in Qur'an.
As I see you speak Arabic. Why you do not use that knowledge to ponder over Qur'an, instead of promoting something, which seems to me, Qur'an is strictly against.
I am convinced, in my limited knowledge, that God will not ask us how we understood "king" or "owner" but rather the questions will be if we followed HIS signs in Qur'an, Nature and within our selves.
My dear brother/sister just look the misery of muslims all over the world and you will see that something is wrong. And I will tell that, in my opinion, the misery is caused by "studying" useless issues as "how tall was Adam" and similar baseless topics, for which we will not be asked by God, just the opposite, I am afraid, we could be fiercely punished for wasting our lives in such baseless and useless topics, instead of following Qur'an, even having doubts between "king" and "owner".
My discussion ends here, as I don't want to be involved in discussions which are possible only if we assume that Qur'an have contradictions, is not complete and detailed.
All the best.
The answer is simple.Hadith are not sacred and cannot be be the basis of law .Only the Quran fulfils that criteria
So the words of the Prophet (PBUH) are not sacred? How do you qualify his sayings, then?
@@assabr8773
That's the problem u cannot qualify it .Most of it is heresay written over 200 years after his death
Allah has only guaranteed the authenticity of the Quran ,not the secondary sources
@@ashraflaher6355 So you, dear Ashraf, you come up with this ridiculous claim in 2022, although there's a tradition of science of Hadith that we have to reject, according to your (mis) understanding?
Be serious, mate. I'd rather stick to what the Sahabas, the Muhhadithin, The Ulemas have narrated / reported and place my trust in Allah than place my trust in some random dude that has no credentials.
@@assabr8773 Do u own research with an open mind
My faith requires no go between me and my Creator
We are all in our journey to faith
Own journey to faith
Hi everyone. Salam Alykum Paul and his guest. Well, if the hadith about Adam and his height is true in its entire text, we have to belief it because even science can't show us remnants of first humans. The Quran talks about Noah who lived for a thousand years [ and nobody lives beyond a hundred something years in our recorded history] and Moses who lived for 120. So, we can deduce that even our longevity went down. Since both our size and age are biological traits, comparison is possible. Discoveries in anthropology are far from complete [ and definitive] so the weight of evidence is not on the side Science. Logical and scientific conclusions could have gone as far as denying that Noah could have lived for a thousand years using a similar logic.
People would rather complicate their religion than admit that their highly revered ancestors have made mistakes. Unfortunately.
Nor God nor his prophet ever ordered hadith books to be written and quran says it's enough but people think they know better than God...heck even in hadith books there are hadiths saying not to write anything except quran 😂🤦♂️ muslims did what jews did with talmud basically...made up a new religion that trashed reputation of islam...
U mean people like you prefer to be lazy intellectually rather then study things and look for evidence
This is not true. Earlier Christian scholars have accepted slavery, killing of non-Christians, force conversions, hijab and that women are second in society but today almost all Christian priests and scholars have a new liberal version that rejects all of this. Even homosexuality is now accepted by some official churches. Furthermore, your analogy is false that “people” would complicate their religion.
In Islam however, Islam is perfect and the early predecessors are the best who understood the religion since they have gotten knowledge from the companions who got knowledge from the prophet peace be upon him. If these people are wrong then Islam becomes whatever you want it to be. It becomes a modern subjectively understood religion.
May Allah guide us
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All your heroes didn’t agree on important matters of religion and they even intimidated each other. Only the 12 Sahih successors from the prophet’s house are the guardians of his knowledge.
“O you who believe, obey God, and obey the Rassul and the (appointed) Ulil-amr amongst you. Then if you dispute on any matter, you shall refer it to (the book of) God and (the other weighty trust of) His Rassul if you (truly) believe in God and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for knowing”
Qur’an 4:59
“…Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance...The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt (three times)."
- Sahih Muslim
There is no doubt that ALL Muslims are required to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (S). However, the question remains that which Sunnah is genuine and which one is invented later and was falsely attributed to the Prophet.
On tracing the source of Abu Huraira’s report which states "Qur’an and Sunnah,” we found out that it has NOT been recorded in any of the six authentic Sunni collections of the traditions (Sihah Sittah). Not only that, but also al-Bukhari, al-Nisa’i, and al-Dhahabi and many others rated this report (Qur’an and Sunnah) as weak because of its weak Isnad.
Boring!? Hardly boring. I'm one of those lazy Muslims that do not read. We depend on presentations like this to get our brains and Iman going. Jazakallahu khayran for a wonderful presentation. May Allah join you with the best of our ulama that have proceeded us. Ameen
And I'm referring to both you Paul and our wonderful scholar, Muntasir Zaman.
Quite impressive work. However, there are some issues with his reasoning. In the last section around 47:54 he says that there are things our minds can not fathom such as Prophet Muse parting the sea, etc. If we include this hadeeth in the category of supernatural then "the broader implications are our understanding of the physics *our understanding of just human science everything need to be appended* because not only was Adam ali salam that tall his progeny was equally exactly and their progeny well beyond that the animals the food the trees the dwellings and *we don't have evidence of that well you want to argue that they were riding dinosaurs and what i mean you can go down that route but it's not that convincing* "
Why is he talking about convincing if the premise is based on believing? That's sounds like contradiction
Why should we consider this hadeeth as problematic when there is currently no conclusive evidence about the physical appearance of humans millions of years ago. Dating methods do have limitations, with the current technology capable of dating objects that range in age from a few thousand years to a few million years. Considering that the Earth is estimated to be approximately 4.543 billion years old, the current dating methods can only cover a small fraction of its existence.
It is worth noting that to claim humans could not have been that tall only confirms what Allah says in the Quran: "In fact, they arbitrarily rejected as false whatever they failed to comprehend" (10:39).
In order to gain a deeper understanding of this matter, it is instructive to contemplate the analogy presented by the existence of giant creatures such as dinosaurs. Consider for a moment the hypothetical scenario in which no fossils had ever been discovered. In such a case, would anyone have readily believed that mammoths, these colossal beings, once traversed the Earth? Quite the contrary, it would have remained a mere myth, susceptible to doubt and skepticism.
It is crucial to recognize that the absence of documented evidence regarding creatures of such immense proportions throughout recorded history does not necessarily negate their existence. The current landscape of animal life on our planet exhibits a tendency towards smaller sizes, a fact which further emphasizes the limitations of relying solely on observable data to ascertain the plausibility of past events.
Consequently, when confronted with the absence of concrete information regarding the physical appearance of humans a million years ago, it is imprudent to cast doubt upon the authenticity of a saheeh hadeeth. Rather than dismissing the potential validity of historical accounts, one should acknowledge the inherent limitations of our knowledge and the insufficiency of empirical evidence alone in capturing the entirety of human existence throughout time.
Furthermore, if the height of Prophet Adam confuses the mind, what about the age of Prophet Nuh? Should we then engage in hermeneutical gymnastics to explain it?
The thing is that we have plenty of human skeletons from various periods and no gradual reduction in height is to be seen. From the mummies of Pharaohs to "homo erectus", all are of average height.
@@kljbraw4517 True. The earliest occurrence of "homo erectus" is about 2 million years ago. The "various periods" that you are referring to covers only fraction of the earth's existence. We do not know exactly when and how Adam (AS) was sent to earth, how he looked, etc. So it proves nothing. That's the whole point of the argument is. We cannot use the current scientific knowledge to disprove the hadeeth under study.
Simple know that hadeeth don’t carry the same weight as Quran or sunnah,all hadeeth irrespective of saheeh or not should be analysed in light of Quran,sunnah,content ,reason and scholars opinion if so called troublesome,if not should try your best to follow to the best of your ability and ALLAH SHWT knows best
Aslamoalaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh
The researcher compared Hadith information authenticity against the known external science (Archeology and History).
Then he argued to measure and put a *limited trust value* on the Hadith (based on his limited research), Astaghfirullah
Unfortunately this approach was taken by many to demean the Sayings of Muhammad ﷺ (and thus rejecting the Hadiths altogether), Astaghfirullah
In this particular Hadith, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ
said that the height of Adam AS was quite tall and later generations got decreased in heights (to which the Researcher challenged, in light the external sciences and whether the means provided to Adam AS were feasible or not etc). Statement of Hadith did not *feel right* to the Researcher and therefore he was impliedly stating that the Hadith cannot be relied upon.
1. *Researcher did not conduct a research on INTERNAL sciences (such as Physics, Chemistry and Biology) to observe the changes INSIDE the Human body* such as of Electron, Protons, Neutrons, Atoms and space inside the Atoms (that space between electrons and protons has been decreasing, which would possibly has caused the reduction in Humans' height over time)
So the researchers limited view of research and conclusion on Hadith's authenticoty is incomplete and incoherent with the other sciences. And therefore he is NOT in a position to conclude.
2. *Islam is a Deen* (not a religion) it is *based on BELIEFs* (not yakeen ie not authenticating Allah, Prophets, Angels, Devil, Hell, Heaven with our five senses)
The process of belief is not acquired based on yakeen. Neither are we ever going to get Yakeen in our lifetime (ie if we solely rely on the five senses to vouch Allah, Angels etc)
May Allah swt grant us hikmah to have a *complete belief* on ALL the sayings of Muhammad ﷺ (and protect us from grading the Sayings or Demeaning the Sayings of Muhammad ﷺ), Ameen
Jazak'Allahu Khairun
May I have the email address of the speaker to discuss some hadis?
There are lots of Hadiths existing in various Hadith collections which are very questionable. Sometimes doesn’t supported by the Quranic teachings. As for example The age of Ayesha at marriage. Based on that, degradatory comments are made on Prophet Muhammad. Recently BJP leader made huge controversy on Indian TV based on this Hadith.
Muslim Ulemas are not able to give a justified explanation regarding this topic. Instead, taking the case true they give lame explanation which goes against Qurans guidance for marriage, eligibility of bride and groom and brides
Acceptance of the marriage. Phedophilia in the name of marriage can not be acceptable in any part of the history based on science, morality and ethics. Prophet Muhammads campaign started against the immoral acts practiced by his surrounding people. Now Hadiths are trying to depict him practicing what he was fighting against.
So, my request is doing an academic research on why Hadiths are necessary and how some wicked Hadiths got into Hadith literature, and how muslims are suffering because of that.
There are Hadiths which are confirming that Muslims after the Day of Judgement who are Mercifully sent to Paradise by Allah will be in larger in sizes than who are used to be in earthly living. So their sizes are increased to enter Paradise as Honour. Likewise Adam (Alaihissalam) after the mistake he did and was sent to inferior abode that is Earth in comparison with Paradise was naturally decreased in size to suit earthly life. He was 60 cubits when living in Paradise. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was saying that Adam, peace be upon him, when created and was dwelling in Paradise had 60 cubits height. Allah knows best !
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Surprising. A Darul uloom where people are allowed to ask questions.
And he credits Ibn Taymiyyah! Look at the beauty that balance can bring maa shaa Allah
1. prophet was 61 , 63, or 65 when he died pbuh. all in Sahih granted the majority say 63, that mean the other 2 figures are wrong. Is it an issue? NO.. so the same with other hadiths..
2. As long as hadith does not lead to halal/haram, or about creed, you can accept it or doubt it PROVIDING that your intention is pure and you have thoroughly researched it. that is it. Or research well and decide with good intention. For example Aisha age for sure was 14 or 16, possibly older, not as was said. And I have long argument point by point from many scholars. Although I am aware in many countries marriage age was 10 or 12 Delaware state was 7 with consent of parents anyways only a century ago.
3. Allah ultimately knows that your mind genuinely rejected that hadith (obviously not because prophet pbuh said and you don't believe it) rather you doubt its attribution to the prophet or , error in transmission.
I do that with few hadith in Sahih.. and sleep well at night.. it is all about your intention! And Allah knows what is my intention, people may differ, fine, may cling to it fine, may question my faith , well I leave them to Allah, they may destroy their deeds if they are wrong. anyways those hadith would not count more than 10 or 13 ones out of THOUSANDS not even a 1% of the whole collection.
Nice dp Paul
Firstly, if the content of a Hadith contradicts with the Quran, then it ought to be overlooked as not authentic, and the prophet peace be upon him would never say anything that contradicts with the Quran. Secondly if a content of a particular Hadith Speaks in favor of particular race , gender , sectarian or tribal groups. Many Hadith were fabricated in the context of historical conflicts. Thirdly, some Hadiths that predict future events which don’t measure up to reason and common sense are to be reevaluated , anyway most Hadiths of this nature are classified as weak by scholars. Alhadith was gathered almost two hundred years after the death of the prophet , it is not descended from God directly as the case in the holy Quran, rather it is a set of work resulting from human efforts , as such it is not infallible and it could be influenced by all sort of historical, cultural and political factors. A quick reminder, the prophet and Omar bin khatab didn’t give permission for gathering Hadiths and recording them in writing , which was an indication of prudence and wisdom. By saying that, it doesn’t mean that the whole total of Hadiths are not to be seen as an important reference for Muslims , because they definitely are , we just need to look carefully in to some of them , and the emphasis ought to be more on Almaten than Alsanad . After all , Allbokhari and the rest , are not prophets , and their books are not divine. Some Hadiths found in them , could never have been spoken by the prophet, and were made up after his death . Some of these Hadiths can’t be excepted, and are an embarrassing to Islam ? and not so flattering to our beautiful religion, and one could tell by some analysis that they can not be not authentic, and shouldn’t be attributed to him . This is a very critical topic and is highly problematic , and in need of careful study , because some have tried to deal with it , but with malicious intentions, aiming at discrediting Islam and in return we have those fundamentalists thinkers with a closed and strict set of minds that deem any thinking that does not replicate Alsalef is kofr .
You do realize that you are not a scholar but some random person on the internet?
You don’t realize it, but I do have a PhD from from a renowned British university , and I’ve been teaching philosophy and theory of knowledge for more than fifteen years .
@@zeena599 PhD in Hadith studies?
@@zeena599 clearly you don’t have knowledge in hadith. Not a single scholar says ahadith from sahih Al bukhari are weak. If you knew arabic you could from the name “saheeh” lit. Means authentic.
Again, this false notion that hadith were collected hundreds of years after the prophet is bogus. They were continuously passed down from his lifetime and then they were all collected and compiled. It doesn’t mean they were made up.
"Alhadith was gathered almost two hundred years after the death of the Prophet SAW." Really? And you have a Phd? LOL. So now that we know your 'phd' isn't actually worth the paper it's written on, let me tell you something you definitely don't know. Imam Malik wrote the Muwatta (hadith book) while he saw the living Companions of the Sahaba RA in Madina. They were memorising thousands of hadith in the Prophet SAW's lifetime and these were taught to the next generation word by word. Nice try but I think you need to get your money back from the 'renowned British university'.
Advanced hadith? A hadith is a hadith.
I am not sure why is Adam’s PBU hight is an issue in the first place.
Thousands of years ago there were dinosaurs, Mammoths and other creatures of huge sizes that we can not even imagine theses days, and science only got more knowledge about them recently, so millions of years ago, When Adam and Eve were the ONLY Humans on this planet would they be the size of the latter people?
What a lonely couple would that be with other gigantic creatures around them .
How to deal? Follow the people who give you explanation of how the sahaba understood it and how they followed it, not people who water it down and change the entire meaning of the hadith.
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The Quran alone my friends. It has all the answers. It is enough for a believer my brothers. I'd highly recommend Said Mirza on TH-cam.
The truth is that after the prophet’s death in 632 his companions were preoccupied only with the task of producing an authoritative collection of divine revelations. They did not bother at all about prophetic ÈadÊths. They started collecting the divine ayat under the caliph Abu Bakr and completed the task under the caliph Uthman b. ‘Affan, who eventually compiled the written musshaf, the copy we hold in our hands today. This is what has become known as the codex of #Uthm§n. It is said to have abrogated all other codices that existed at that time and which were subsequently all destroyed. The Prophet’s (ß) companions had realised that whatever Muhammad (ß) said or did as a human being could not have originated from a divine source and thus was strictly related to the political-historical context in which he lived. Even though they could have started to collect ÈadÊths they continued to rely exclusively on the divine text. Knowing the Book very well they realised that to collect ÈadÊths in order to complete divine revelation would have contradicted Allah’s words in verse 3 of Surat al-Ma"ida:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you al-islam as your religion... (Al-Ma"ida 5:3)
It was clear to them that the religion of al-islam was perfected even without the existence of a single hadeth. It was indeed inconceivable to think that Allah has given them an incomplete religion of which half, the ahadeeth, was still missing. And it would also be inconceivable to think that they, after having successfully collected all existing divine revelations, could have been so neglectful of not having exhaustively collected all existing ahadeeth (a process that lasted several centuries), therefore embarrassing generations of future Muslims by having secured only half of al-isl§m.
The collection of ahadeeth’s and the process of turning them into sacrosanct texts is undoubtedly a later development. The following aspects have triggered this fateful turn towards the sanctification of the Prophet’s sunna. We have identified six major errors which all occurred because of a wrong interpretation of a verse in the Book. In dealing with these errors, we quote the verse first, highlight the mis- takes made, and then introduce our own reading of the text.
1. The first one concerns the belief that Muhammad’s (ß) words were inspired by God:
And he [Muhammad] does not talk [ yantiq] capriciously. It is only a revelation [wahyun] being revealed... (Al-Najm 53:3-4, FM)
It was thought that the two verses equate what Muhammad (ß) said ( yantiq) with divine revelation (wahy). This led to the erroneous view that the Qur"an and the sunna are two categories of revealed or inspired word. It has been overlooked that Al-Najm 53:3-4 were revealed in Mecca at a time when Muhammad (ß) was confronted by strong opposition from the Ahl al-Quraish. They had questioned the validity of Muhammad’s (ß) claim to have received revelations from God. They did not question Muhammad’s (ß) own words but only what he presented as divine revelation. Verses 3 and 4 were revealed as an assurance of the divine origins of his revelations from God, not an assurance of the sacrality of Muhammad’s sayings as prophet and human being. From page 71 of the book shahrour.org/wp-content/gallery/Books/booke.pdf
@@goodtree6228 read the linked book from page 71 there are 5 more points
The most important thing to judge in a Hadith is it is not in conflict with the Quran because the Quran sits in judgment over the Hadith, simply because it is the Wod of the Allah and in his kindness it is protected. This is nothing new. In fact the scholars in the past have invented the scientific method by which a hirarachy of evidence is taking place. by doing so you prevent yourself from transmitting error to others. Having said that there are really ahadiths in Bukhari that are in conflict with the Quran. The one talking about the age of having been married to the Prophet. When you compare it to this Hadith of the height of Adam, here rises the problem of dealing with the institution of marriage in Islam, which is a big issue and fighting over peanuts, knowing very well that the Prophet is that highest model for a Muslim to follow. What are going to do with this clear conflict? Should we cling to the well spread idea among Muslim community, including many scholars that a sahih Hadith is to be followed because of the claim these are the words, hence they must be followed, or search in the Quran evidence that refutes it? I hope that it is time for Muslims who really want to follow the prophet must do their best to honor him, by digging to find the truth, and that truth lays in the Quran. It is called in the Quran "حق اليقين".
While some hadith may seemingly be problematic, we have to remember the problem may not be the hadith, but rather our limited amd flawed understandings. Furthermore hadith were also for the people 1400 years ago hence they were written in a way and language they could comprehend too.
You're twisting yourself
@@OH4MAN please explain
Why are we making faith so difficult in Islam ? For one to reach the Home of peace as per Quran 10:25; one needs to have Iman ie belief in God,angels,the prophets,heavenly books and the day of judgement.Besides this one has to follow the pillers of faith ,which includes; shahada,prayers,charity,fasting during Ramazan and pilgrimage for Haj.
I also understand the importance of Ahadees,which amplify Quranic teachings and some of them will help to live life as per our exampler Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).I am certainly not required to know the height of Adam, which besides being inconsequential to my faith, is a matter of unnecessary controversy.If one has to believe in such problematic narrations,how different is it from having belief in Torah and Injeel which exists in a highly fabricated state? While research may be undertaken for the sake of research, this will unnecessarily create confusion in the minds of people.
The prophet in fact prohibited his followers from recording his personal (Non Quranic) quotes. He never advocated for spreading the words other than that of God's in the Quran. He fully appreciated the fallibility of latter generations in transmitting inaccurate or out of context statements. Most if not all the controversial topics & issues in modern day Islam stem from what is what is (erroneously) proclaimed as True “Sahih” Ahadeeth - Quotes of the prophet.
He permitted it later on. Come to Islam.
No he never did! And Khalifa Umar would flog anyone who quoted anything from the Prophet other than the Quran. Study & Wake up to True Islam 😇
@@ghazisadoun7855 This is a lie. He is not your caliph ya murtad
And you are a Kafir! Salam 😇
Horses were domesticated 6000 years ago, so Adam had no horse.
Is the hadith about hand spans or arm spans?
I don't know what you are referring to but you should understand that is not bound by the laws of physics or nature or any law at all. If he will he can destroy everything that he has created. He is all powerful
@@Ahle.haq0religion is reasonable.
I agree and support the hadith with the dream I dreamed about my God father in Islam whom I followed eversince I was 12 years old until he passed away when I was 66 years , I dreamed : he is standing in much taller than normal as if 90 feet and looking much younger and I feed him nuts .