Why Dr. Ali Ataie No Longer Debates Christian Apologists & "Ex Muslims"?
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This talk was delivered at the Muslim Community Center - East Bay (MCC East Bay) in Pleasanton, California, on April 17, 2023.
Ustadh Ali Ataie is a perennial student and researcher who has been involved in interfaith activities for over two decades. He holds a Masters in biblical studies with a focus on New Testament and biblical languages. He also holds a PhD in cultural and historical studies in religion from the Graduate Theological Union. His doctoral work focused on Muslim hermeneutics of biblical texts, especially the Gospel of John. He lives in San Ramon, CA with his wife Roya and three daughters. Learn more about him at
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Sidi Ali Ataie studied various Islamic sciences with local San Francisco Bay Area scholars. He is a graduate of the Badr Arabic Language Institute in Hadramawt, Yemen, and studied at the prestigious Dar al-Mustafa, also in Hadramawt, under some of the most eminent scholars in the world. He holds a Master’s Degree in Biblical Studies from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley (Oct. 2011), with emphasis upon the New Testament (he is the first Muslim seminarian in the over 150 year history of the school to earn this degree). He is certified in Arabic, Hebrew, and Biblical Greek, and is fluent in Farsi. He also holds a Ph.D. in Islamic Biblical Hermeneutics from the Graduate Theological Union (Oct. 2016) and is a professor of Arabic, Qur'an, and Comparative Theologies at Zaytuna College, the first accredited Muslim College in North America.
Education: M.A., Biblical Studies, Graduate Theological Union; Ph.D. Islamic Biblical Hermeneutics, Graduate Theological Union.
Ali Ataie was born in Tehran, Iran, and came to the United States in 1979. Brother Ataie earned his bachelor's degree in accounting from Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo. He is currently a visiting assistant instructor of religious studies at Cal Poly, as well as an instructor of apologetics at the World Alliance for Humanity in Fremont, California. He is a student of sacred knowledge at Zaytuna Institute in Hayward, California, and an author of several books. His organization is dedicated to spreading and defending the truth about Islam in America. His books include "In Defense of Islam: Confronting the Christians with Their Own Scriptures" and "Injil-ul Haq: the True Gospel of Jesus Christ."
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Ali Ataie has been involved in interfaith activities for over fifteen years. He has been a guest lecturer and guest instructor at several colleges and universities, including Cal Poly State, UC Davis, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Cal State East Bay, and others. He has also engaged in dialogues and debates with a number of Christian scholars on topics ranging from the historicity of the resurrection of Christ (upon whom be peace) and the Prophethood of Muhammad (upon whom be peace and blessings).
He studied various Islamic sciences with local San Francisco Bay Area scholars. He is a graduate of the Badr Arabic Language Institute in Hadramawt, Yemen, and studied at the prestigious Dar al-Mustafa, also in Hadramawt, under some of the most eminent scholars in the world. He holds a Master’s Degree in Biblical Studies from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley (Oct. 2011), with emphasis upon the New Testament (he is the first Muslim seminarian in the over 150 year history of the school to earn this degree). He is certified in Arabic, Hebrew, and Biblical Greek, and is fluent in Farsi. He also holds a Ph.D. in Islamic Biblical Hermeneutics from the Graduate Theological Union (Oct. 2016) and is a professor of Arabic, Qur'an, and Comparative Theologies at Zaytuna College, the first accredited Muslim College in North America.
Education: M.A., Biblical Studies, Graduate Theological Union; Ph.D. Islamic Biblical Hermeneutics, Graduate Theological Union.
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Brave and wise words from Dr. Ali Ataie.
Absolutely, this is the Great Quran ruling, { 68. When you encounter those who gossip about Our revelations, turn away from them, until they engage in another topic. But should Satan make you forget, do not sit after the recollection with the wicked people.} Al-An’am (livestock) 68
Also { We are enough for you against the mockers.} Al-Hijr (The Rock) 95
Qur'an 5:14 (Sahih International) And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
I totally agree with him.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
@@sbwijaya Jazakallahu khairan Kathiran
He come to the same conclusion that Imam Al Ghazali taught centuries ago. Certainly every sane mind would come to same conclusion. Debating never breed positivity unless one is a true seeker. Dr Ali is truly one inspirational figure. May Allah blessed him forever.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
how do I find that Imam Al Ghazali saying? Sounds interesting. Which book?
@@fynaakurvinen8028i believe its in ihya ulumu deen in a book about knowledge, that is first book of ihya
After like 15 years of watching Muslim/Jew/Agnost~Atheist (like Bart Ehrman) vs Christian debates and having had the good fortune of talking/debating with Christians in real life, I can now finally say that I am done with wasting time on watching debates. The Christian failed to make a good case in the 90~95% of all debates that I have watched in my life, and in the few debates where the Christian 'won', it felt more like that was mostly the case where the opponent (usually the younger and inexperienced debaters/scholars) wasn't sufficiently well-versed, well-spoken or was nervous and tripped up to rebuke the Christian properly.
christianity is like a house with rotten pillars; just a kick or two is enough to bring it down. For that reason, it is no wonder that open-minded and rational Christians leave christianity when it comes to obviously man-made super ambigious concepts such as the trinity, the absurdly unfair original sin theory, only John making divine claims about Jesus (for Mark, Matthew and Luke those 'claims' about Jesus were not important???), God instructing his people to only worship him alone for milennia, only for suddenly a polytheistic teaching like the trinity to be introduced? We can go on and on and on. Christians are standing on very thin ice, no wonder christian debaters get overwhelmingly debunked and christian preachers start to flip-flop when you confront them with logic and facts. Recently, I was talking with a guy who attended a Catholic seminar for years. When I cornered him about the contradictions (regarding e.g. monotheism, the commandments etc.) between the OT and NT, he dumped the OT saying "the OT is for the Jews, we only adhere to the NT". What a circus, what a joke. So, the OT, which is an indispensible part of the Christian Bible that Christian scholars throughout history have abused to find therein justification for the divinity of Jesus, trinity etc. gets dumped like that on the spot by someone who even attended a Catholic seminar. May Allah forgive them for what they are doing.
Very well said
Beautifully said!!
Truth will always prevail against falsehood. We can watch 500 debates, you won't see even 5 debates anyone winning against Muslims. And even those 5 videos, it's non-Muslim preacher against a Muslim layman he met on the road or park.
Muslims are not afraid to listen or research any religion. but you don't usually see people of other faith learn other faiths.
@@sonoranherphaven1761 he hasn't debated seasoned christian debaters like Jay Dyer or Micheal Jones as for agnostic debaters there is Logicked or Smiem Watpic
i never in my life see a chrisitans won agaisnt a muslim never. but i see All muslims won any debat agaisnt a chrisitans wich is topic related to a religion.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. It’s such a waste of time. Unless that christians or atheists are genuinely wanting to learn about Islam.
Are you genuinely wanting to learn about scepticism?
So you want them to be silenced and just sit there and be lectured... That is not debating... That is not an argument to validate or promote Islam... Debating is not an opportunity to do dawah which is Deception... Debating is an opportunity to be faced with a worthy opponent and somebody who doesn't agree with everything you have to say or offer... That's the problem of Muslim debaters/apo'lie'gists ... They actually think they need to be protected from critique while they want to critique their opponents views, beliefs, practices and personality without the same protection, whatever that means... If you view debates as a platform to inform, teach and spread awareness while respecting the rights of others to do the same you will have a win win situation... But as you can't afford to lose, you have to resort to crying about not being subjected to critique while you dish it out😮😮😮😮
@@scrunchy7528 No problem we can debate (with respect, no mocking) that is what he said
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
@@scrunchy7528That’s not what he is saying tho. He is saying those who are arrogant who only want to mock, ridicule and are close minded there is no reason to debate with them. That’s who many if not the most of Christian apo’lie’gists are. Always lying to make Islam seem bad. And you’re probably one of them
1 problem in dealing with these Christian Apologist or so-called Ex-Muslim is that they will keep on repeating the same accusation even though many Muslim have already refuted it with facts that those Christian apologist/Ex-Muslim couldn't refute it back. Yet at different occasion they keep on spreading the same accusation again & again. Clearly they didn't want to establich the truth, they just want to force their version of 'truth' towards public
this goes completely contradictory to the modern Muslim online dawah teams that just go debate willy nilly every tom dick and harry that disrespects Islam. This always felt wrong to me, I'm glad this video came out to confirm my belief.
Dawah itself where the guy comes, asks about Islam, in a normal way, and leaves is okay. But online debates are indeed like that
Daowa is not about defeating other guy. It is about presenting Islam nicely, with kind and beautiful way.
Our job is to present Islam to them, not insult their religion.
We can show them issues with their religion respectful way.
Than we pray for them to Allah for guidance, preferably at night(tahajjud).
Just imagine how the Prophet Muhammad pbuh spread the word of Islam, did he do debates or gently call them to Islam and leave and not sit with those who mocked it.
Another part that makes me feel uneasy is some Muslim debaters although at the start have good intentions, let the adrenaline rush and ego get to them and they start debating and slandering their own fellow Muslims. Especially in the ugliness of social media, which TH-cam preacher is better than the other, what can I slander about the other, humans are fallible, even if they make mistakes message them privately, what happened to following the ways of the Quran and Sunnah because of this there's fitnah in the ummah and now the enemies of Islam are making content out of their beefs to show Islam is not as united when it's just hasd of advancing one's internet fame at the expense of another.
Al-Mustawrid reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever eats so much as a morsel at the expense of a Muslim’s reputation, then Allah will feed him the likes of it in Hell. Whoever clothes himself with a garment at the expense of a Muslim’s reputation, then Allah will clothe him with the likes of it in Hell. Whoever stands in a position of repute and fame at the expense of a man, then Allah will make him stand in a position of repute and fame on the Day of Resurrection.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4881
Grade: Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Albani
Dr. Ali is a Sunni debater. Not some 'Wahhabi' debaters like many of them online nowadays. We can see the approach of the different school of thought, between the Sunni and Wahhabi.
Nice try rafida
I have yet to witness a fruitful dialogue between Muslim and Christian. Christians typically employ emotionalism, circular argument, logical fallacies including ad hominem attacks directed at the Muslims or invariably at the Messenger ﷺ. It’s beyond hopeless. However Allah ﷻ nonetheless commands us to try to arrive at a “common word” with them. I rarely see Inter-faith dialogue aimed towards this.
Perhaps my Muslim brothers will abandon polemics for the Qur’anic imperative instead. Truth has been made clear from falsehood. The Internet has made all information available. People are free to choose if they have an interest. Our da’wa should be mostly towards strengthening the Believers and inviting nonbelievers, but not engaging in pointless polemics.
Muslims are masters of the cirucular argument.
100% true.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
I mean at this point, those who attack Islam, mainly attack it from a liberal point of view.. so it actually liberalism the only ideology that is debated.. they cannot challenge our theology.. then they try to challenge morality.. so in my opinion studying the down side n the danger of liberalism on societies is key for dawah in this age.. we just have to prove that Charia is better for societies.. then it easier for people to accept Islam.. Many reason with Islam and they are stopped from accepting it because of some liberal ideas.. Gender roles.. Capital punishement in Islam.. proving that priority should be given to society first.. not prioritize individual desires.. that the main issues in the dawah today
This is the best approach
Well said. It's basically secular liberalism vs islam.
I would disagree. I think Muslims use the term “liberal” as an excuse. To avoid discussing their own doctrines..
@@chinesecovidanalswabs4752 it's basically kafirin v mukminin
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Salaam wa Kul 3am wa’antum bikhair Dr. Ataie ☪️ I thoroughly enjoy your lectures and love the ones on Blogging Theology. We need more lectures with you on Blogging Theology insha’Allah brother. JazakAllahu khairan for all the work you do and may Allah (swt) bestow many blessings on you brother 🤲🏼
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Eid Mubarak all Muslims 🌍🌎🌏🌐
Thank God that I knew brother Ali, may Allah bless him
I absolutely agree with him them lot DONT deserve the platform
Ahmed Deedat was a man who believed in the power of debate to teach others about their religion.
He dedicated his life to spreading awareness and understanding of Islam to anyone who would listen.
His debates were not just about proving his point, but about getting people to think critically and deeply about their beliefs. It is said that his influence even motivated people like Doctor Ali Ataie to pursue comparative religion.
Although some may argue that debating non-Muslims is pointless, Deedat's life shows us that it can be a tool for education and growth.
Somehow some debaters want their names to be said, that's how rotten young debater nowadays, they become anger, using bad words, do personal attacks rather than the discussion.
Deedat was the pioneer of answering christians with tough issues in the public sphere. It was something new to both Muslims and non Muslims. Today , most people interested in such subject have tons of materials to deal with because christian missionaries and others are not bringing anything new to the table and keep repeating the same thing again and again . So yeah stopping debating them makes sense until they come up with clever shubuhat.
It’s definitely not pointless, but as somebody who was involved in that scene it’s not fulfilling and I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to take part
Not all debates are fruitless. If you get someone who has an open mind and who can be respectful, then debates can be a form of dawa. But people who insult and mock aren’t debating to learn anything new and all of the facts in the world could never persuade them.
May Allah reward and have mercy of Ustadh Ahmed Deedat. He was unapologetically Muslim and gave us confidence to speak against oppression & tyranny.
Today we have compassionate secular liberal Imams (mainly American) who are advocating in favour of LGBT ideology.
David Wood debate is what Dr. Ataie may be referring to. It was a disgraceful debate
The debate where DW admitted that the ending of Mark's gospel is a forgery.
Do you have a link to the debate, please?
@@mambaman2007
Search David Wood vs Muhammad Hijab...
@@mambaman2007 th-cam.com/video/GYyXGcZrMQc/w-d-xo.html
@@flsknasarulla
The debate Mohammed Hijab constantly made a fool of himself by repeating what DW said????😂😂
Prays FOR the prophet 😂😂😂😂
Not To the prophet ....
Very well said, جزاك الله خيرا
Exactly brother. Speaker's corner has become a feeding ground for islamophobes who constantly slander our Deen ,our Prophet pbuh ,and the holy Quran. The likes of Asif,Hatun,Bob etc should be totally ignored and not engaged with
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Muslims should boycott Speaker's Corner!
May Allah Bless Brother Ali, truly deserving of his name. Brother Ali is truly inspiring. Really hard to put into words, how amazing is it that a man learns the ancient languages and studies the scriptures to such a high degree then educates us muslims
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
99% of the time debates don't benefit the person you are debating because they usually have ill intentions. But they do benefit the people who are LISTENING to the debate. If no one is listening to the debate and it's just one-on-one then you need to know if the person is sincere. If they're not, then you are wasting your time because they will start quoting verses from the Quran, you will explain every one of them, they say "well what about this verse, and what about that hadith?", by the time you explain everything to them
A guy once brought me a list of Quranic verses to show me how "violent" Islam was. I took only one of the verses and showed how he took it out of context. He wanted to play the game of "well about this verse, and that verse, and that hadith" while completely ignoring that I just exposed his lie with the first verse. I told him "Wait wait wait....I just showed how you took a verse out of context. I want you to ADMIT you just took a verse out of context to support your lie". He told me he didn't lie and will prove it by talking about the other verses to which I responded "NOPE. I want you to ADMIT you just took a verse OUT OF CONTEXT".
He kept wanting to continue by going from verse to verse, but after he saw I persistent I was in having him admit he took verse out of context he said "ok fine I didn't know it was out of context but you will see how violent Islam is from the other verses". To which I replied "Well, if you didn't know then you clearly are not educated enough to critique Islam and should get educated on the matter first." This is when I just shut him down and didn't proceed to play his game.
The point is, don't get dragged into their game where you are always on the defense. When you point out a lie, they will respond by going to another lie. Don't let them do that. Pin them down and do not let them jump from one lie to another because you will never finish responding.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."..
We took care of business indeed sir :) thank you Dr Ali
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
Even I have experienced exactly that myself. Even though I'm not well-versed in Islam but when it comes to core beliefs I hold onto them with every ounce of my being due to the very simple, clear, and logical nature of Islamic core belief i.e absolute monotheism . And when I start comparing Christian core beliefs to Islamic ones in light of the monotheistic view of God both in the glorious Qur'an and the OT and NT Christianity just starts falling apart. What eventually happens is if I'm pointing that out to a Christian they start becoming either belligerent towards Islam or they resort to extreme nitpicking and facile interpretations of the holy Qur'an which kinda proves the shaky grounds they stand on.
A mere debate is not anything tangible that demonstrates Islam's ability to make things better.... In fact in many cases Islam has made things worse and continues to do so.
You win debates. What prophet is that to you? What is the redeeming value?
Jesus said WHAT SHALL IT PROFIT A MAN TO GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSE HIS SOUL
"when I start comparing Christians core beliefs..,, " belief is only one component..Its not ONE SIZE FITS ALL as what you believe
"Christianity is just falling apart" You take it as a political presentation....wherein a politician who sweet talk to win a debate automatically makes him the best leader ignoring everything else.
@@jared2244 i dont think you even read what was being commented bro. Why are you even looking for something tangible in a literal verbal debate. You think some contractual law or amendment will be vomited out showing the rights and wrongs that are being debated? And there is this double standard of how when it comes to people who claim to be islam, you generalize all of the moderates and extremists all as one, when many times they dont even claim to be representative of the other, yet people like you dont even want to claim ownership or fellowship with your own extremists who use the label of either christianity or democracy or atheistic beliefs or whatever. And how did you bring in the topic of prophets to suddenly and abruptly link to debate? "Belief is only one component" brother belief is literally the fundamental component in helping a person determine their reason for existence, and whether the belief should be in primarily of one true god, or belief that money is power, or any other belief can be debated in your own time, when you are in the right mind to debate. And id argue that belief is what keeps our souls intact, yet you argue that a fundamental belief is not important while at the same time quoting Jesus pbuh (unsure if real or falsified, but the quote means you should have believed in it) that people lose their souls ie their core beliefs for the sake of the world. You can try to argue that the soul does not mean belief, but looking up a dictionary says a soul links to spirituality, and spirituality is tied to belief, so youd have a weak argument there. The prior comment about how "christianity is falling apart" is literally shown in your comment with how you deflect the question and dont reassert your own core beliefs to tie your christianity to, which is literally why people think it is weak.
The cognitive dissonance and indoctrination. That's why they are the way they are.
A core belief of monotheism doesnt mean its true.
Do you believe that only one unicorn created the universe instead of 2?
How does it fall apart?
My ALL-TIME favorite quote on this subject is: “Debate & apologetics is like the seasoning on your faith. But like any meal-if you add too much seasoning, it will ruin the taste of the meal.”
So remember: Faith, devotion, and practice should be 90%, while debate & argument is 10%-and only when needed. I need to remind myself of this too! So let’s all read some Qur’an tonight :) What do you say?
Salam.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
MashaAllah Dr Ali Ataie, May Allah SWT protect you and reward your endeavours for Deen
Excellent talk. So important!
I completely agree. Many prominent debaters in my country stopped all their work because they realize at the end of the day none of those debaters from the other side would convert anyway. We should focus on the da'wah and debating them is not a da'wah
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Brother Ali should do one more debate, with James White, insha Allah.
Felt the same way, having debated with several Christian apologetics - priests and pastors alike. I no longer have such patience, ever since I found that there is no amount of evidence (even from their own books) that they'd listen to. Now, I busy myself sharing the word of Allah; if it resonates, then Allah would guide them to His Path.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
It's true. Why waste time on arguments that have already been refuted on several occasions and it's on the internet for each human soul to see for themselves.
Christians need to wake up and stop worshipping a man
Exactly
Humans love worshipping something they can see and relate to so I don't think Christians will stop any time soon I'm afraid.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
Will Ali Ataie do a part 2 of his Quran preservation presentation on Blogging Theology? He said he would but hasn’t yet
Ustadh Abdul Rahman Hassan did a series on preservation of the quran "The Preserved Book" (about 10 hours), I haven't seen it yet, but he is a reliable source. That may interest you.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Thank you Ust Ali for clearing this issue.
I always find it extremely confusing, why certain people keep doing videos of debates with the same mockers over and over again (eg shouting fest at speakers corner and certain youtube channels) -as if they are actually partners and helping each others.
Made me have bad suspicion that they are doing this for youtube thumbs votes or popularity. I have to pray 59:10 over and over again because I was scared that I am not a good person for disliking those style of "so-called-da'wah". May Allah protect my country from getting influenced by this.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Absolutely, this is the Great Quran ruling, { 68. When you encounter those who gossip about Our revelations, turn away from them, until they engage in another topic. But should Satan make you forget, do not sit after the recollection with the wicked people.} Al-An’am (livestock) 68
Also { We are enough for you against the mockers.} Al-Hijr (The Rock) 95
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Much respect to you, brother. ❤
The other side always settles for word twisting and creating doubt. They never reaffirm their own belief just want you to doubt your own. In fairness, they learned their tactics from missionaries.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
*لَا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ*
*لَا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ*
*لَا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ*
*لَا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ*
*لَا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ*
This is so vital to remember, esp when you are new to Islam and come from a STRONG theological/pastoral background. You have to act with so much wisdom and grace towards others. Some conversations are not necessary and we must trust that Allah ﷻ guides whom HE wills and that those who are genuinely hungry will want to learn. Thank you Dr. Ali for this.
My right ear really enjoyed this.
There is not much need to debate
The debates have been had and the people of the world have voted with their feet: they are converting to Islam in massive numbers and turning their back on other religions and liberalism. Now that the western war on islam failed in Afghanistan and iraq ( and the west is declining compared the BRICS/ the East) this will only accelerate more.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
Sometimes its turn into Liberalism vs Islam. Or how to argue about what do you mean by "we", "do", and "that".
But we can't denied that they are those skeptic that are genuinely curious about the truth and most interested in debating about the truth like why monotheism is important for Islam, comparison of prophethood in Islam and Christianity or how Islam see Jesus pbuh and is it similar to the early christian. All of these are questions asked by Christian and its not surprising considering God praised the Christian priests and monks because they are humbled and not arrogant. But these "apologists" are neither a monk nor a priest, so not only they are arrogant but they also associate with some repulsive people that are against their Christian beliefs.
I totally agree, all possible debate/ arguments between Muslims and non Muslims is available online, now it's just a waste of time with these disbelievers.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
extremely wise, knowledgeable and learned. What a giant in wisdom and intellect. Masha Allah
Brother Ali, may Allah swt protect you. We miss your debate
“there is not anyone upon the earth who says: Lā ilāha illallāh, wa Allohu akbar, wa lā ḥawla wa lā quwwata illā billāh,, except that his sins shall be pardoned, even if they were like the foam of the sea.”
قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " مَا عَلَى الأَرْضِ أَحَدٌ يَقُولُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ وَلاَ حَوْلَ وَلاَ قُوَّةَ إِلاَّ بِاللَّهِ . إِلاَّ كُفِّرَتْ عَنْهُ خَطَايَاهُ وَلَوْ كَانَتْ مِثْلَ زَبَدِ الْبَحْرِ
I agree with you my dearest brother.. Assalamu aleykum..
A reservoir of knowledge.
AlhamdulIllah for the life of Dr. Ali Ataie. I love every muslim for the pleasure of Allah.
I stopped watching this kind of debate. Not a single Christian regardless educated in a religious text or ordinary, acts the same way. arrogance, ignorance, and lastly insulting.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
Lâ Hawla wa lâ Quwwata illâ billâhi'l aliyul Aziim. Alhamdulillâhi Rabbil âlamiin. Allâhumma Salli alâ Seyyidinâ Mawlâna Muhammadin Wa Sallim. Thank you for sharing this with us. May ALLÂH SWT Make it Easy for all and Guide, Protect, Bless, Help us and Grant all of us Jannah. Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen…
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Amazing, thanks Dr. Ali Ataie.
Well said. Eager Muslim youth should listen to you that engaging in useless debates is waste of time.
The sole purpose of the ex muslims and other determined to to find platforms to disrespect Islam and doing so they feel they have accomplished some thing important in their lives because no one really care about them. So, let them struggle with
flock of birds of their own feathers.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
Good to see the Sheikh is still ‘up’ with the ‘lingo’ māshallāh 😂
﴿وَأَعْرِضْ عَنِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ إِنَّا كَفَيْنَاكَ الْمُسْتَهْزِئِينَ﴾
سورة الحجر: آية 95
“Surely We will be sufficient for you against the mockers” Al-hijr: ayah 95
I don’t blame him , they don’t debate to uncover the truth but try illogical means just to prove they are on the right side. Even though down deep Christian apologists know they are making things up. Christians do not follow Jesus they follow the teachings of Paul never ever was a prophet nor was he ever a desciple of Jesus but a bounty hunter.
He cannot refute that JESUS is GOD who put on humanity, died on the cross, resurrected HIMSELF from the grave. JESUS was prophesied about centuries before HE became man and fulfilled all of them.
If you believe you have the truth, then it should be easy for you to defend jt, go and have a conversation with either EFDawah, DawahWise or Hamza's Den. These channels regularly do live streams.
Exactly what I have been saying. The Dawahwise initiative is good and I applaud them but my comments and questions never get answered because I see no reason for engaging Non Muslims or Christians who have no interest in civil exchange of ideas or constructive criticism, instead all they want is to fault find, insult or distort Islam and have no interest in genuine exchange or learning. So why they put much energy in trying to convince those people baffles me because I feel it a waste of time. Time better spent with respectable non Muslims or Christians who wish to learn. Simple.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
I wish our brothers at speakers’ corner in the uk would follow your lead in this!
I agree, but then that means they would have to find something to do that is actually productive.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
How can u find any strong arguments from Chrisians when they don't have any because they are following falsehood?
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
The haqq will win. Nicely put. And nice hoodie btw.
This is why you have know your audience. Here in nyc we don’t engage everyone. Just keep it moving.
Some of them are snakes some are sheep and some intelligent n sincere. Alhamdulilah for Islam.
Agreed! With hikmah.. InsyaAllah. Goodluck!
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Thank that an excellent lesson for me and all the dawee who debate the islamophobe
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
It is also important to answer and adress the misinformation and propaganda of people with evil intentions, so they won't be able to deceive less informed people.
Dr Atai the best
I feel the same way. There is not much substance behind western scholarly research on the origins of Qur'an. It is approaching the level of absurdity. It was written down. Written material were verified by the prophet, and memorized by the Companians. Osman had to send copies to the provinces. Copies were examined and approved by the companions. If someone had a bad copy here and there, which has not been destroyed. it does not matter.
Then shaykh, maybe you should create a platform that is just answering all the accusation of those kind of people that attacking Islam. Because maybe you don't want to debate those people but those people, like you say, come to young muslims who don't know the answers. Those young muslims need to know the answers before that people come to them.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
That's the True Scholar I was looking for. Logical and acceptable.
The goldberg of islam
I am quite disagree. Of all the people watching the debates, maybe there will be people who will analyse the debates with open mind. These people who are seeking for the truth, maybe they can benefit from the debate. To conclude, these debates will be watched for generations to come and will be watched again and again. Just like Ahmed Deedat's video, i keep on watching without feeling bored. We need more new information to address to the non muslims and not to address to the same old issues. Tq
Only of 1% did so.
But most cases it is waste of time.
Better take care of own household
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
Jazakamullahu khairan for your wise counsel.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
101% right. They are not worth your time .
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
Alhamdulillah may Allah guide us and forgive us
Wise and mature talk.
Thank you Dr.
Valuable adivise. Jazakallah Khaira
The Dawaah is to pass the message of TAWHID not to have a debate about who is wrong or right because we ( the muslims ) know very well Quran and Sunnah is the way of Salvation.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
We all know by heart, mind & soul that Islam is the truth logically with given evidence all around us ☝️
Very good video...there appears to be a sound problem...I can hear it on the PC but not on the TH-cam app on the TV
I agree with Dr Ali Ataie
They don't look for the truth but they want to save their business. It's about Money not religion.
Bare in mind brothers he's not saying debating on this topic vs nonbelievers is useless he said it's useless if you tend to put your ego infront of the dawah and sadly it's hard thing to put back so for most it's very hard thing to be disciplined about so hes saying in essence if you really want to be effective in debate be very spiritually disciplined about your ego otherwise you will devolve your debates into me> you type thing which ofc in almost all cases will not be fruitful.
Great wisdom from Ali
May allah bless you and your family...
well said
I've always preferred to look at what is in common. For example, I like the book of psalms and some of the passages there. I like some of the passages presented by other faiths too and see the commonalities across the Abrahamic faiths. I'm a big fan of the Vs. debates and all that etc.. I have too much to focus on improving myself and being good in the roles I occupy.
The debate is done ultimately for the people to decide. The primary issue I have with the Christian people here is that, the arguments they use against Muhammad to say he is not true prophet, almost all apply to the biblical prophets but they ignore that. Because they are basically hypocrite and not sincere, what is the point of debating?
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.",
It’s because Christian/Jewish views of prophets and Islamic view of prophets differ. In the former, the prophets are fallible human beings who merely transmit their messages from God although they do sin and repent. In Islam, prophets are at the very least infallible in sins (I think the worst a prophet did in the Quran to receive rebuke from God is in the story of Yunus where he became too frustrated to teach his people). The stories are to gain wisdom from albeit the characters are not top-to-toe exemplars; that position is relegated to Jesus (or in Islam, as a result of this infallible prophetology, Muhammad).
Stay blessed
I agree with you
Fully agreed.👍
They are just trolling,they are not there to hear and understand what you are saying.
Excellent points. I didn't know the total casualities in 23 years of Prophet's pbuh were 1018. A very compelling argument against false claims of the notion that Islam spread by sword .
Can anyone plz tell me the full name of the scholar who calculated the number of casualties..
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".
takes a wise man to walk away from an argument even when they know they correct. Most ppl just want to be right or make the other person look dumb and not sincere
I think. Ali Ataie said he didn't want to debate only 'the mockers'- (mustahzhiyun) - Christian apologists amd ex-Muslims.
I love this man for knowledge & contributions so far to Islam.
He is right in saying we should choose the people whom we wish to engage with.
In fact Allah the Most Exalted has told us, Among them (Jews & Christians), there are good people however, most of them are perverted transgressors.
you are wrong. Prophet himself used to let Jews talk and then answer their wrong thinking.. if you don't answer their shabahat then they will take those shabahat to regular people with no knowledge and deceive them.
Where can I find that debate He mentioned at start????
Jeez the thumbnail got me. I thought Goldberg had become a Muslim
I love you brother
Alhamdullilah ✅
Why was the Koran written down?
Yunus:19
And mankind was not but one community [united in religion], but [then] they differed. And if not for a word that preceded from your Lord, it would have been judged between them [immediately] concerning that over which they differ.
The early Arab Muslims argued because the Qur'an did not have a standard reciting method. Look into the History of Uthman ibn Affan and the sahabas
Where does Allah says "I'll take care of them (suffice for them), the ridiculers"? Share reference when quoting from the Quran plz.
Assalamuaiaikum, how can one contact Dr.Ataie, can you give his email?
Dr Ali is a G. BarakAllah Feekum
Salam. Is there any (video) compilation of the "debates"? A compilation of arguments and anwers from both parties. (or few short 15minutes videos). Don't have to show the actual events. Just lists of questions and anwers.
No mocking. A simple clean facts.
The content is for those who are searching for answer. No like watching boxing for fun. Focus on those who are confused and to learn not to fight.
An-Nahl - 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Al-'Ankabut - 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.".